programming

[young plover]

I would guess that the LLM is already a separate process connected with JSON RPC

[rough bloom]

pretty much C++ or Python, yeah, so that part very likely isn't getting rewritten

[idle dune]

Got it

Thanks

[sage crag]

naturally the implementation is written in c

[rough bloom]

[opaque sigil]

c++ addons for js

[rough bloom]

🎤 Program in C

[sage crag]

you can use llms capably in js if you use ffi

node

emug

or even better

native js llm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300807614032121950/1409945130810609695/3dgifmaker99373.gif

[glass flower]

i mean.. nothing is limiting you to write it in any language really... python just has a lot of llm libraries that others have written that make it easy to do inference and basically put pieces together for an llm.

[opaque sigil]

write your llm in c and compile it and use it via bun's tcc

[glass flower]

i hope vedal atleast uses a good TS runtime. surely he won't just use node right?

[opaque sigil]

who needs optimisations anyway

[idle dune]

I see

[sage crag]

ts runtime

[glass flower]

honestly writing your llm in c sounds like a fun weekend project. kinda like "raytracing in a weekend" but like "LLM in a weekend"

[sage crag]

pytorch

guess what

torch

[glass flower]

[sage crag]

[glass flower]

i should look into how llm's are architectured. maybe i can reimplement something like that for like enemy ai in games or level generation.

[sage crag]

pleas dont transformers your procedural generation

[young plover]

bro what other runtime is there
V8 is the best engine
that bun thing is just the Apple javascript engine wrapped to behave like node

[glass flower]

i know that arc raiders uses machine learning for their enemies. tho i would be interested to see how difficult it would be to implement yourself

[sage crag]

do not the transformers

[glass flower]

but... funny

[glass flower]

bun, Deno for example

[fickle rain]

You’re right, it should be rewritten in Rust

For blazing fast safety

[idle dune]

in what way

Microwave transformers you generally shouldn't touch

[glass flower]

rust is so out.... we write everything in Zig now

[idle dune]

Not unless you know how to safely discharge caps

[fickle rain]

I am sure it’s a good idea to rely on Windows native API

[patent shard]

Yeah
But this is specifically designed more for SVC and TTS they said
As it's noisy and not ideal quality for listening as is
There's a lot better models out there to use the output as is

[glass flower]

why windows native api?

[young plover]

actual cope language for people too intimidated by C++ and real RAII

[glass flower]

i'm learning odin. fun language so far

[fickle rain]

IDK apparently they have native fetish
So they’re using NTDLL for most things now for whatever reason

Why not just use stable, documented APIs? Fuck if I know

[opaque sigil]

performance

and win32 is less flexible

though iirc you can also just use win32 apis

[fickle rain]

https://xcancel.com/Carter_OW/status/2019313864274506130#m
Based

[mighty thorn]

Ignore the konii and do the funny world gen

I want to see it

[mighty thorn]

Actually

You should do CNN / Conformer so you can have the entire rest of the map be used as context for each new chunk in order to get worse and worse terrain with the added benefit of worse and worse generation times

[warped narwhal]

simple, put screwdriver inbetween terminals, and either the cap will discharge safely, or it will not be your problem anymore

[eternal belfry]

He said he is rewriting the orchestration part of the project. I think TypeScript is a good choice for that part especially if he uses EffectTS (which i doubt but why not)

[craggy reef]

Skip the concerns about which languge to use, he should write it straight in binary. /j

[leaden crest]

vedal to neuro:
https://youtu.be/9CyC8OD8NyY?si=lZHxUIHhOn4aLUMz

we can have two AAAAAAAers on stream now

[amber fractal]

Something flying, don't really know my dinos

[leaden crest]

pterodactyls are not dinosaurs 🤓 ☝️

[rare bridge]

from stream today:

I'm gonna rewrite all of the orchestration stuff into Typescript

vedal... as a person who writes typescript code...
please don't put yourself through that hell

[leaden crest]

^

[rare bridge]

probably lmaoooo

unless he's like.. rewriting a web orchestration tool in typescript. that's based

[leaden crest]

thats location gonna location be location a really location funny location bit

[rare bridge]

i say keep javascript and typescript to the web unless you're writing something realllyyy quick and dirty and for some reason python doesn't cut it

discord bots too cos discord.js is for some reason the best discord library rn

[leaden crest]

it might be for more discord support?

I thought he wanted to give neuro a presence off stream though

[rare bridge]

maybe

he specifically said orchestration stuff tho

[craggy reef]

oooh, intresting thought

what is orchestrstion?

[leaden crest]

like the conductor to an orchestra

it controls all the smaller ais together

to make the illusion of neuro

[rare bridge]

okay i was gonna be like "oh why is my loadbalancer using so much ram" (it's written in typescript cos i like being a hypocrite and torturing myself) and it's not even using a gb

suprising

can't wait for something to break catastropically cos he accidentally turned a Date variable into a string

(i totally didn't do that a few days ago. nope. nuh uh)

[minor sail]

Yay! I just did an Open Source and submitted a PR to a thing!

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile Discord and its 15GB of memory usage

At this point it's slightly absurd how badly it leaks memory

[warped narwhal]

-# meanwhile my nginx instance is using 8.4mb of memory

[eternal belfry]

As a person writing TypeScript aswell I agree that there are still a lot of pain points with typescript but once you gather enough experience to know how to avoid the pitfalls its honestly a joy to work with

[rare bridge]

oh absolutely

alas i have to move some stuff from typescript sometime

[glass flower]

im gonna do that and proof it might not be a stupid idea

besides its probably would be closer to diffusion based than transformer

[mighty thorn]

nah but it'd be funny

[glass flower]

well.. i was looking for a video. but i can't find it anymore. someone wrote a small neural network to generate a 2d world map

[silent island]

has macbook chargers always been this slow? dawgggg

[glad path]

no, chrome is just eating all the power

[hollow matrix]

Chat, I'm making a discord bot, thoughts on the calculator command

[glad path]

dont run thast

that is a very bad idea

like a very very bad idea

[hollow matrix]

[glad path]

someone can just send import os; os.sys("rm -rf /")

basically a goldmine for anyone looking to perform injection attacks

never use unprotected evals

i would heavily advise against using the eval function at all unless strictly necessary

[hollow matrix]

The execution probably wouldn't work anyway since message.content includes the command (!calc)

Obviously not running it because I'm not stupid enough to do so but

[trim valve]

acktually you can't run multiple statements in an eval

you'd have to do __import__("os").system("remove the french language pack")

[glad path]

close enough yeah

I can't find the calc command for the bot i wrote a while ago .-.

probably got purged when oracle terminated everything for no reason

[hollow matrix]

wait what happened

[glad path]

i had a vm hosting the bot

oracle randomly terminated my whole acc

[hollow matrix]

[trim valve]

were you on the free plans

[glad path]

yes

but i was using always free things

[trim valve]

noit suprised

yeah but unless you linked a cc and switched on billing (despite staying on always free stuff) they just randomly term you

[glad path]

i did linjk a credit card

idk

how do i like

[hollow matrix]

for that to work I'd have to be doing something similar to the command above, this wouldn't work

[glad path]

get stars on my github projects

[glad path]

idk just dont use eval if u can help it

[trim valve]

async def calc(ctx: Context, *, content: str):
  result = eval(content)
  ...

not that you should be using eval

[glad path]

no the ctx.contetnt is right

[hollow matrix]

This command isn't going anywhere, I just did it as a joke because someone in another server is struggling to make a calculator

[glad path]

i made one that had buttons n stuff

it was super cool

[hollow matrix]

[trim valve]

ok but you throw away all the parsing on stuff

also bot.command_prefix is such a crutch

unless its a different type to what I remember

[glad path]

i used interactions.py

its like actually so much better than discord.py

[hollow matrix]

tf is that

[trim valve]

ideally you should be using ctx.prefix

discord.py supports more than 1 prefix

[glad path]

https://interactions-py.github.io/interactions.py/

it always makes me sad that not a lot of people know about interactions.py

it's a really great library

[hollow matrix]

ok, but also rewriting this shit would be a pain https://github.com/Firecrafters/FirecrafterBot

[azure lynx]

calc('__import__("subprocess").Popen("cmd.exe")')

[amber fractal]

I check and I see my preferred library being shilled. Nice

[glad path]

thats not even a big codebase

[hollow matrix]

Still takes longer if I'm changing to something new, the original typescript bot took an hour to make, the python rewrite because something with the typescript one wasn't working took a day

[jagged turtle]

its not that big bro

[glad path]

its literally like 100 lines

one file

[hollow matrix]

But I don't know how tf integrations.py works

[glad path]

interactions.py*

THEN READ THE DOCS

[hollow matrix]

[glad path]

its not too different from d.py

[glad path]

yes

you will

[amber fractal]

THE DOCS ARE ACTUALLY READBLE, READ IT

[glad path]

you CAN and WILL read the docs

they're good docs

anyways how do i get more stars on my project .-.

[amber fractal]

One of my favorite things is Annotation based filtering

[glad path]

i want stars

[azure lynx]

make it really good?

[glad path]

wont help

like how do i spread the word

[azure lynx]

make it really good?

[minor sail]

rewrite in Holy-C

[glad path]

that alone wont help

[glad path]

no

i dont think qt works in c†

[azure lynx]

if you make something that people want and it's really good, people will use it

[glad path]

not if thhey dont know about it

[azure lynx]

if nobody wants it, there's nothign you can do

[jagged turtle]

you were helping a bit in reverse engineering the cdawg canvas frontend before it was open-sourced, that requires reading docs, so you should already have the skill, no?

[azure lynx]

name it better then.

[glad path]

naming alone wont help

[hollow matrix]

What docs

[azure lynx]

being easy to find will. i'm not using your project coz (a) i don't know what it is and (b) i don't know where to find it. (and probably (c) have no use for it)

[jagged turtle]

bru

[hollow matrix]

Looking through minified javascript is not reading docs

[hollow matrix]

Wait, whats the repo?

I was never able to find where they published the source

[jagged turtle]

i can't remember but it's in dms somewhere

[hollow matrix]

You said that was a fake one

[rare bridge]

update on load balancer

it has apparently decided that the whole logic i wrote to figure out what server region a request came from to determine what servers to forward them to is overkill and is now assigning every single user to NA

why? idk apparently it can't get the country code for users anymore

[hollow matrix]

Hi cloud

[rare bridge]

i think i'mma just go to bed before i lose my mind trying to figure out what the fuck even happened here

[silent cloak]

are u using bun btw

(as its typescript)

[hollow matrix]

[rare bridge]

no it's node.js because i hate myself :3

[rare bridge]

also cos i haven't looked at bun yet

[silent cloak]

i like it so far

[hollow matrix]

[silent cloak]

wrote my site in it and a few bots for streamers

[rare bridge]

seems to be a drop in replacement. i'll look at it

[silent cloak]

its drop in but has some extra stuff like built in unit testing and some database types

[rare bridge]

i will look at it once i've solved my whole.. "why can't the loadbalancer balance load" problem

[silent cloak]

i dont miss multi server systems

redis my beloathed

[rare bridge]

welp ig everyone lives in the usa now

[hollow matrix]

I will say that the only thing worse then node as a package manager is pnpm

[silent cloak]

welcome everyone

[silent cloak]

thats why i like how bun does it

u can configure how it does packages for the project

[rare bridge]

nothng i can do without restarting the load balancer which i cannot do when about 400 users are actively connecting to it

[hollow matrix]

bun is the best one

[silent cloak]

what is it for if i may ask

[rare bridge]

stream distribution

[silent cloak]

for hosting ur own live streaming?

[rare bridge]

yeah. runs as part of an event branch of an online game for streaming content into the game

[silent cloak]

yeah idk why u went with typescript for that

[rare bridge]

cos i'm stupid

c# would have been a better option imo

[silent cloak]

i assume ur using something like round robin or least connections to actually sort out traffic

[silent cloak]

C# or lower level yeah

[rare bridge]

i think rn it's using the least loaded server

since i keep track of bandwidth usage across all edge servers both for load balancing and also to determine when to add more capacity

[jagged turtle]

???

[silent cloak]

and ur also trying to sort based on location?

[rare bridge]

yes. stream loadbalancing requires region-based balancing for latency reasons

[jagged turtle]

that was about something else iirc

[silent cloak]

yeah if ur trying to do it in a game i imagine that will be a pain in the ass unless ur given region info

(though there are painful methods to check through ip lookups)

[rare bridge]

each individual user requests the stream client side. it currently does it via downloading an ip lookup table locally upon build

[hollow matrix]

Read it then, I can’t find literally any other mention

I don’t think the canvas was open sourced

[rare bridge]

i assume what's happened is it's tried to update that table, failed, and stored invalid data so now nothing works

[silent cloak]

if its a big table u could hash it

[jagged turtle]

I mean yeah I dont think so

[silent cloak]

use that for updates

[rare bridge]

i currently rely on a 3rd party library for it tbh

[hollow matrix]

I told you that someone said that was the repo, and you’re response was “they lied”

[silent cloak]

i didnt know there was one for offline use

[rare bridge]

if it keeps pulling this shit i might give up and look at it's source and write my own implementation

because it breaking in this fashion during a stream is just a no-go

[silent cloak]

is it for a game like vrchat?

[jagged turtle]

based on the time the messages were sent, it was for something else

[rare bridge]

similar

[silent cloak]

if its a game ur coding u might as well prompt the user for a region

[rare bridge]

i don't have control of game code unfortunately else i would

[silent cloak]

is it a public game?

[jagged turtle]

cloud why does your git url not work

[rare bridge]

what

[rare bridge]

oh that's outdated

[jagged turtle]

leads to git.cloudburst.lgbt

[jagged turtle]

classic

[hollow matrix]

There is no context, also the contents don’t line up with things that were in the cdawg canvas

[rare bridge]

i've been meaning to work on a new site but i can't be bothered tbh

[jagged turtle]

yeah it seems they had a different version because no such things as powerups were in the oss version

[silent cloak]

i remade mine recently after putting it off for months

[rare bridge]

honestly the current setup has worked well for ages. i've had a few hiccups lately because i rewrote the stream and server management implementations but i've never had the ip lookup table break this badly before

i don't even know how it's broken this way

[silent cloak]

dependency update?

[jagged turtle]

completely normal

[opaque sigil]

interesting timezone

[rare bridge]

unlikely, this broke midway through a stream

[silent cloak]

is it opensource or na

[rare bridge]

the ip lookup library is, the game and the distribution are not

[silent cloak]

if the game is being made by the crew here ur better off getting them to bite the bullet and add a region setting

[jagged turtle]

what's said lib here

[rare bridge]

not looking at the code rn but i think it's ip-location-api

[silent cloak]

ill give it a look in a minute

i really dont trust offline ip lookups personally as i used to experiment with some for bot prevention back in the day and they get dated fast

[jagged turtle]

is it https://npmx.dev/package/ip-location-api

[rare bridge]

this one seems to pull every few hours, i assume one of these pulls fucked everything up

[silent cloak]

Ohh it uses an api

[rare bridge]

yes

[fast pagoda]

finally

[silent cloak]

I thought u meant it was 100% offline

Lmao

[rare bridge]

yeah absolutely not lmao

[silent cloak]

Lmao good

[rare bridge]

it pulls updates by itself

i legit don't know the cause of this problem tho cos all i output in logs is the country code and the region that my code decides on

[silent cloak]

Is the information just broken when stored or is it like failing to call the api and falling back to US?

[rare bridge]

and country code is apparently currently undefined

[silent cloak]

The api might be down or something

Try to postman it

[rare bridge]

i don't think it calls an api directly

more likely it pulls from an api then caches

[silent cloak]

Yeah but it might be grabbing an undefined

[rare bridge]

it straight up makes itself a database on startup

honestly i think the only way i'mma figure this one out is to add a bunch of debug info

[fast pagoda]

what if it pulls a cached version if finding nothing

(no idea what's goin on)

[silent cloak]

Honestly yeah

Might as well

If push comes to shove u can locally fork it to patch it in the meantime

[fast pagoda]

heh you literally said what i said 2 seconds ago im smart

busy looking @ cpu

[rare bridge]

this hasn't happened before so it might be a one-off failure for all i know

[silent cloak]

Might need a failsafe

[rare bridge]

it could actually be.. oh that miggghtt be a problem

i believe each import of the library starts a refresh task

[hollow matrix]

nvm you’re right, a request I saved has something similar to the repo name in it

[rare bridge]

when triggered it'll refetch the database

[silent cloak]

Like importing it as a dependency?

[rare bridge]

yes

[silent cloak]

Thats dogshit

Tf were they smoking

[rare bridge]

the documentation uses require instead of import

that should give you an idea

[silent cloak]

Imagine not using modules in the year of 2026

[rare bridge]

i kid you not the script i wrote to download the db on docker image build is just the require

that's it

[silent cloak]

U should just fork it and call the api yourself

Thats terrible

[rare bridge]

it just adds it as a js node.js dependency and it downloads the db lmao

but if there's 2 instances.. a race condition could theoretically occur where one tries to update and potentially fucks up the other one?

[silent cloak]

I hate blackbox bs like that

[rare bridge]

ikr

[silent cloak]

Make a test project

Try to force it twice and see

[rare bridge]

i will tomorrow

it's nearly 2am

honestly i'll probably just write my own version from scratch atp

cos then at least if it fails i can fuckin debug it

and then at some point eventually rewrite it in c#

but for now i'mma sleep and deal with this tomorrow

[silent cloak]

Yeah I wouldnt trust something that dated and designed for something important

[rare bridge]

actually update the docs use import

still sucks tho considering it downloads a db on import

i hit a GitHub rate limit

amazing

[jagged turtle]

lmao how

[potent birch]

Someone's selling me a Toshiba laptop with i7 CPU and and amd (idk what the GPU is yet) for 24$ if I convert it to dollars

I did try it and only thing I need to change it buy it a ssd and change the os

Probably nice for some thing ?

Portable small game setup? Like 2d games

Gonna put steamos on it lulw if I bought it

[jagged turtle]

(I have no idea what you're talking about kinda)

[chrome rampart]

finally managed to fix most of my driver issues, I can finally use the penguin!

[olive sable]

Goooooooooooooodmorning

Im trying to fix my sleepchedule

Happy birthday shiro

[amber fractal]

I see no shiro here

[jagged turtle]

shiro is offline rn

[olive sable]

Dont hbs gor the shiros that are here

Hbs for the shiros that will be

And for the shiro in our hearts

Idkwhat im on about. Waking up at 4am is weird

[jagged turtle]

@rare bridge what's wrong with the orchestration layer using typescript

[young plover]

It'll probably be fine, it just odd to rewrite from C# to a less strict language when he's presumably trying to fix reliability issues.

[amber fractal]

[nix-shell:~/Projects2/LLM]$ python -m train build --config config/config.xml --dataset-file ./outputs/mixes/mix.jsonl --output-dir ./outputs/models
build completed: model_file=outputs/models/model.json

Codex

There is no universe where this is the correct thing to be outputting

[thick imp]

its a canon event

[amber fractal]

I'm still stupid enough to be using it so not yet

[jagged turtle]

idt he's rewriting it because reliability, I think he's rewriting it because spaghetti code

and figured if the orchestration layer has a web panel might as well rewrite that part to be typescript

[amber fractal]

Cloud was in here earlier talking about it

[jagged turtle]

oh

[azure lynx]

[2026-03-15 01:56:17.370] [info] RagRuntime: WordNet seeding complete total=5000 ok=5000 skipped=0
so far so good. now the RAG has something in it to return. hopefully there's a moderately good match for just about any likely thought.
next: actually testing that it works.

[potent birch]

What's an orchestration layer

[jagged turtle]

a layer that orchestrates things

[potent birch]

Bro what

[amber fractal]

Think of it as something that allows a lot of projects to properly commincate

A program that contains all of the glue code between programs

[jagged turtle]

yeah it's a thing that allows two or more modules to communicate and coordinate with each other

[jagged turtle]

I wouldn't necessarily say glue code but more like a tunnel

[amber fractal]

That entirely depends on how compatiable the parts are
tunnel at best, hefty conversion at worst

[potent birch]

I see I see like the spinal cord of the whole program

[amber fractal]

[potent birch]

The two a gonna have a new spinal cord yippee

[jagged turtle]

I guess spinal cord makes sense

[amber fractal]

I would argue closer to nerves personally

but spinal cord also makes sense

Codewise an orchestration layer is normally made in a higher level lanuage some are in python; if things only need to be alive and that's it, most people use batch/bash for it. This is mostly due to it being reposible for bringing up indivual parts and communication is not where a lot of processing should be happening so the lanuage tax isn't as high.
(I love typos, discords autocorrect is broken here)

[glad path]

not quite bindings and not quite normal code

[patent shard]

HOLY CRAP
do NOT drop a TS file into Discord

[amber fractal]

For good or bad reasons

[patent shard]

[jagged turtle]

well... yeah

who uses .ts audio files in the year 2026

[glad path]

https://github.com/PrismaticDepths/neoprisma do you guys like my readme

[patent shard]

Twitch

[maiden geyser]

impressive, very nice

[jagged turtle]

why

[patent shard]

yt-dlp downloads the ts files and then muxes them to mp4
But there's an ffmpeg but where you can't download sections past about the 26 hour mark
So I just downloaded the 10 second TS sections of some stuff I really wanted for some of the VODs

ffmpeg butt

[jagged turtle]

lmao

anyways yeah .ts is more commonly(?) used for typescript

[patent shard]

you can download the whole 48 hour vod.. but I didn't feel like doing that

[azure lynx]

I've got to work out how to stop the agent from reading out DMs they get while talking.

[jagged turtle]

hide the dms from them

[azure lynx]

i mean DMs like "it's time to change the subject". I expect they'll also read the tool use help messages to anyone listening too.

[cobalt sigil]

this car not very secure

need Https next time

[olive sable]

Welp, i submitted the fraud thingy

Next time im taking superbox's money beforehand

It shouldnt be mine at risk, im the middle-man

[kind nimbus]

wow i fixed some issues in my zsh and starship config and now in combination with Ghostty my shell runs super fast and exactly how i want it

Thanks again @fast pagoda for recommending starship

[jagged turtle]

what did you do

[fast pagoda]

eeyy

nice

[olive sable]

Superbox wanted another 3090

[azure lynx]

international GPU smuggling ring.

[olive sable]

Basicly

[jagged turtle]

lovely

[fast pagoda]

it's so nice when terminal is set up the way you want it to be working lol sucks so bad otherwise

[olive sable]

Not really

I got scammed

[fast pagoda]

that reminds me to buy v100

[olive sable]

Im kinda broke rn so pay in advance

[fast pagoda]

are there cheap v100

near u

in ur area

single v100s looking to be swept overseas

[olive sable]

There was a 16gig one

No 32gb ones tho

[fast pagoda]

ii just want something with 32gb that doesnt also require me to use my entire gpu to train things and then rdna4 is still unstable with certain sequence lengths because there's a specific amount of vram that if touched will try to access memory that doesnt exist, explode the driver and crash the training for an illegal access

[olive sable]

Except for buying a whole server

[fast pagoda]

lol that would be the dream

[olive sable]

I cant afford to ship a whole server

[azure lynx]

shipping a whole server would be difficult... you'd need to know what everyone was into and all their interpersonal relationships... or you could just do it by feel. (i know you mean "sending a server computer by mail of some sort" but "shipping a whole server" sounds like the mad rantings of a fanfic writer who hasn't taken their meds today.)

[potent birch]

Y'all seen that Nvidia godot rtx fork I'm tempted to see it looks nice

[true hemlock]

wtf happened

[olive sable]

Fraud

[true hemlock]

got scammed?

[olive sable]

Ye

[true hemlock]

@nocturne olive

dude

[olive sable]

Calling it fraud allows me to take legal action tho

[true hemlock]

okay

though

[azure lynx]

(to clarify, the fraud was the seller, not Superbox)

[true hemlock]

idk which one of you the one that found the listing and agreed on it

[olive sable]

Dont matter anyways

[true hemlock]

also don't be so damn spoiled you also had to look for it aswell

the one looking for the deals is usually not the middle man's job

middle man only distribute

that is how it is in my case of smuggling dealing chips from china

[olive sable]

Banks in NL are forced to freeze the account and give the personal info from the guy.
Just need the "procces verbaal" documents

[azure lynx]

most middle-men i know of are people who wanted 1 or 2 of something but could get them in batches of 30 or 100 or whatever but really cheap so they sold off the rest to others in the same hobby

[olive sable]

The only issue with potential money is if it already got transfered to another country

But even then i can just make the person pay me back wuth the threat of legal action

[true hemlock]

that's called as group buy if agreed upon or redistribution if sold to randoms

done a group buy before for an enterprise SLC nvme

[fast pagoda]

w0w i missed this context earlier, da h ell

that's annoying

sorry that went that way big dawg

[olive sable]

Eh

Its nottoo big of a deal

[royal hearth]

I love my i5-13500

[thick karma]

Laravel my beloved

[autumn ore]

cough cough I’m back

[fast pagoda]

finally found a package more annoying to update (due to compiling for ages) than llama.cpp-rocm

has to hipify like all of vllm

lule

[jagged turtle]

[jagged turtle]

youtube feed is interesting today

[silent island]

Dang... how is my country dropping this movie at the same time as the US? lmaooo

[azure lynx]

I think my agent had a stroke while writing my code. ;[

You should be good to go and context crashes due to scaling will be automatically generated thought loop back to growing history overflow should be eliminated.
wut?

[chrome rampart]

does anyone here use Linux, I need help with something

[azure lynx]

depends on what the problem is. there are some ppl who do.

[chrome rampart]

I just wanna know if I can install stuff in custom directories

like installing stuff on my 1tb hdd, instead of using my ssd

[azure lynx]

that's a filesystem organization problem mostly. you can mount partitions wherever you want and even over top of existing ones if you want to extend the drive.
not an expert on it though.

[chrome rampart]

[azure lynx]

but the short answer is "you can do it. somehow."

[chrome rampart]

me just silly, dunno

[rough bloom]

for normal packages that get installed through apt or similar, no, not really

[azure lynx]

the right way to fix the problem you have though is to fix your filesystem so it uses the right drive for the right stuff

not to change where it installs things

change what storage is where it installs things

[chrome rampart]

To be fair, I can still use Linux just fine like that but, my daw for some reason doesn't detect my hard drive within it's file Explorer, so I can't use my sample folder

[azure lynx]

typically that'd be /usr on the big storage drive

[rough bloom]

that can be solved easily

you just mount it somewhere

[chrome rampart]

I'm not entirely sure my daw has that, maybe I've just never seen it

[azure lynx]

the best way to ask a question is to say what you are trying to do, not how to do a particular task. it may be much easier to solve the original problem than the way you are trying

[rough bloom]

it's not a feature of the DAW, it's a Linux thing

[chrome rampart]

oh, I see

[rough bloom]

instead of being assigned drive letters like on Windows, filesystems are mounted as directories at certain "mountpoints", usually under /mnt
so you could mount your HDD at /mnt/hdd1 for example, and that directory would now have the contents of the HDD

[chrome rampart]

Fair enough. So I just installed Linux mint on a new ssd, cause I don't know how to partition and I didn't want to wipe my windows one. I eventually got everything working but, when I open my daw, the file Explorer only shows files inside the ssd, and not outside of it, unlike it did on windows.

I forgot to mention, this daw is for Linux aswell, so I don't need wine or anything like that

[chrome rampart]

oh

[rough bloom]

some file explorers do this for you to make stuff like using USB drives much more convenient, but that's a feature of the file explorer
your DAW doesn't know about any of that, so you'll have to navigate to wherever it is mounted manually

[chrome rampart]

I see, I'll try to do that then

I just assumed I couldn't

[azure lynx]

typically for fixed storage linux won't automatically mount non-linux stuff. but you can tell it to. (not an expert: last way I did it was editing /etc/fstab but that's probably the wrong way)

depending on which dekstop you use there's a gui for it

[rough bloom]

it won't automatically mount anything

[chrome rampart]

I'm kinda clueless

[azure lynx]

man mount

that'll scare ya

[chrome rampart]

man, this shit mounts fr

[rough bloom]

unless configured in /etc/fstab or as a systemd mount target
but that's not really "automatic" in the sense of mounting external storage

[azure lynx]

USB hotswapping is different. i meant "automatic" as in "defaults to mount" rather than "mounts when available"

[rough bloom]

you just want to see how the mounting works you can probably just open the HDD in your file explorer and then see where it's mounted in the directory properties or something, it should say a path somewhere

then you should be able to access that path from your DAW too

[chrome rampart]

I'll try

[azure lynx]

so you'll need to mount the drive (which probably requires sudo access) and then tell the system to make it permanent. perhaps this is something gemini or claude or chatgpt could explain?

[rough bloom]

if you always have that same HDD attached the same way then it would be proper to add it to /etc/fstab, more convenient long-term
but that has a chance of breaking stuff if you do it wrong, so can probably put off until you're more confident with it

[azure lynx]

manually editing the /etc/fstab file would be a last resort. it's possible to make your system not work by adding or deleting a character from the wrong place. (/end of scary warning)

[chrome rampart]

btw silly fact: my pc fans have to be poked to run, otherwise they just stay still every time I power them on

[azure lynx]

mine sound like jet starting up for the first 2 seconds until the BIOS loads and they slow a whole lot.

[chrome rampart]

oh, lmao

[azure lynx]

so at startup they get like the full 12v. if they're not working, they're not getting the voltage or they're very very dead

[rough bloom]

random NTFS mount failures

;

[chrome rampart]

;

semicolon my beloved

[warped narwhal]

I used to type man "program" into Google to get the manpages.

But that stopped after I typed "man strip" and got traumatised for life

[chrome rampart]

weak, I type that daily

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-gif-10559980082154008380

[chrome rampart]

uh I mean

[nocturne olive]

Aw
Now I'm sad

[fast pagoda]

on my box pc that's what happens atm

got em set to turbo mode half the time anyways

[split steppe]

@chrome rampart make sure FUSE drivers (package is usually fuse) are installed in your system, that lets the system detect and mount storage devices at runtime with appropriate permissions for your user. also NTFS drivers (usually the package is ntfs-3g) if your other drive comes from windows

[chrome rampart]

thank you!

[jagged turtle]

fuse drivers for what?

[split steppe]

manually mounting (whether though mount command or fstab registry) is usually the wrong thing to do outside of system partitions, as it won't show up how you expect in your software, and it won't have the right permissions and will need tweaking

[jagged turtle]

oh wait nvm I misunderstood

[split steppe]

FUSE lets storage devices besides the system one show up in your file explorer and other software like this, which is more or less how people expect it to work (gnome's file manager nautilus for example)

[jagged turtle]

yea yea I got it confused, for some reason my brain only thought it was used for stuff like s3fs

[split steppe]

yeh just explaining a bit more for buhspoon since they're new to it

[jagged turtle]

yea yea fair enough

[split steppe]

linux mint should have both fuse and ntfs out of the box, so it's odd that it didn't work right away

[rough bloom]

why would you need FUSE for that

[split steppe]

fuse is what makes it possible at all

usually comes out of the box nowadays though

[rough bloom]

but it has kernel drivers

no need for usermode fs driver

so FUSE unnecessary

FUSE is mostly for when you want to expose filesystems that aren't "real" filesystems backed by a block device or that don't have a kernel driver

still convenient to have so that you can mount ISOs and such, but shouldn't be necessary just for mounting normal devices

[split steppe]

a lot of things are built around fuse, particularly the permission-appropriate detection and auto-mounting

stuff like ntfs and many others just don't work well without it

[rough bloom]

uses udisks2 apparently

no FUSE involved

-# which makes sense since FUSE would be really really stupid here

[split steppe]

ntfs uses fuse

[rough bloom]

no

it can

but it has an in-kernel driver

[split steppe]

well uninstall fuse and let me know how that goes for you

[rough bloom]

I don't think I have it installed

[jagged turtle]

cough cough s3 buckets cough cough
(apparently there are people who actually use s3 buckets for personal storage)

[split steppe]

the kernel driver has never worked properly for me, it's always corrupted my ntfs drives

[rough bloom]

that's just NTFS in general

but also IIRC there are three different NTFS drivers

[split steppe]

dunno, ntfs-3g has worked for like a decade for me

[rough bloom]

the old horrible kernel driver, the FUSE ntfs-3g driver, and the new now-recommended ntfs3 driver

so you used to need ntfs-3g and therefore FUSE for decent NTFS support
but that's not really the case anymore

[split steppe]

🤔 ntfs3 is the kernel one

and everyone still talks how it corrupts their drives

[rough bloom]

nvm it's not ntfs3

that's the Paragon one

which is also relatively new but turned out to suck

new driver is just ntfs which replaces the old horrible NTFS driver

[split steppe]

since when?

afaik there's been no "new" ntfs for over a decade

[rough bloom]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-NTFSPLUS-NTFS-Driver

[split steppe]

so not yet released

[rough bloom]

old article, pretty sure that quite a few patch sets have been merged since then

[split steppe]

not out yet, most recent update https://www.phoronix.com/news/NTFS3-Linux-7.0

[rough bloom]

so ntfs3 is still in use

4 different drivers
confusing

[split steppe]

just use ntfs-3g with fuse

aint nobody got time for it

[nocturne olive]

NTFS is a mess
Thus why I'm definitely gonna get rid of it once Xod sends me that 10TB to shuffle files around

[rough bloom]

best solution is
not use NTFS at all

and if you do use NTFS you're probably fine with whatever driver the ntfs mount type gives you

[split steppe]

that's the one that's always corrupted everyone's shit

[rough bloom]

should update automatically to whatever the distro maintainers decide is best

[split steppe]

udisks2 was the detection and automount service i forgot, thanks for correction, fuse is the other half which allowed the weird filesystems to mount correctly

[fast pagoda]

0.8b when messing with backens

[split steppe]

if only it was a poem, or about the 5090

[fast pagoda]

it vaguely has an idea of what a 5090 might be

maybe

it could be some shitty poetry slam type thing is how i read it

[split steppe]

i think "misconfigured" and <number here> sent it into a generic tech direction

[fast pagoda]

the numbers 5090 on the keyboard

[split steppe]

poems need structure and rhyme which this doesn't really have

[fast pagoda]

yeah that's why it was amusing more than anything else
gets up on stage and just talks complete nonsense and then leaves

[split steppe]

it's pretty neat that the 0.8B model is coherent at all though

[nocturne olive]

SMOL
Sounds like something I could put together at home

[fast pagoda]

1b used to be coherentish

although i was not using instruct version

so i am not a great judge of that

it was only able to talk in a thread of any sort of coherency thru finetune giving it a bit of that

[split steppe]

dunno, they're distilled from a huge properly trained one

it's not like they train each size specifically

i'm very happy with the 35B-A3B variant though

[fast pagoda]

i still prefer ol 27

[split steppe]

27 is slow af, i dont have the power to run it

[fast pagoda]

that makes sense

[split steppe]

still, 35b has been more than adequate for me, it's smart, even if it tries to gotcha itself for 5 minutes when reasoning

[fast pagoda]

i never have good luck with qwen models & reasoning

probably because most of the time ive fucked up their ability to be consistent thru abuse

[split steppe]

for me it seems to be fine if the prompt is long enough, and temp+repetition tuning

also that

i don't try to retrain mine, aint got no time for that

[fast pagoda]

last time i did a sweep of all the hyperparameters i randomly found that temp 2.0 with sensible top-k and min-P actually was one of the most stable versions of it

[split steppe]

slap on a system prompt, tune temp and stuff, that's all i need

temp 2 is pretty high, wouldn't it be fairly neurotic with that?

i run mine at 0.4

[true hemlock]

send that clanker to #neurotic-neurons

no one will notice

100%

[fast pagoda]

it's very high but all it does is make it more likely to choose a less likely next token as the temp increases

flattens out the softmax distribution of possible next token

[split steppe]

yeh, which may be garbage though

[fast pagoda]

usually is garbage

[split steppe]

unless you make the others tighter

if your topk and p is tight then maybe?

[fast pagoda]

2.0 being randomly good was anomalous but it worked but only with min-P and top-K set and no penalties at all

[true hemlock]

a certain frog's workstation has its gpu ramping up even more and i think i need noise cancelling headphones holy fuck

wtf is she doing

[split steppe]

:V

[fast pagoda]

echo (smart version) has control of the box in the corner, i just got him set up w/ that tonight

waiting for him to kill me somehow

[true hemlock]

who tf is echo

[fast pagoda]

the stupid bot in my disc

[split steppe]

which frog!

[fast pagoda]

this must've been too traumatic

[split steppe]

thought for one sec you meant amazon echo

[nocturne olive]

I think you need a tractor driver's headset

[thick karma]

Awesome

[leaden crest]

https://youtu.be/PVrenfClmY8?si=CbcB_3FtXX4FAcaF

Ishowspeed clanker is utterly crazy

even the top streamers wanna be neuro

[azure lynx]

| <|say|> BBQ sauce? Seriously? Okay... let me think... I was talking about pepperoni... and then you said something about... oh, wait. I think I was trying to remember what *you* liked. I'm so confused. <end_of_<end_of_<end_of_<end_of_<end_of_<end_of_<end_of_<end_of_turn>
i think the fix to get rid of spurious "<end_of_turn>" messages didn't work.

[split steppe]

the end of the end of the end

ez fix, just preg_replace 👍

here /(\<end_of_)+(turn\>)/g 👍

[jovial remnant]

Are you not using a special token for "end of turn"?

[azure lynx]

it actually means it's calling the step function and the function is returning part of a token for end of turn and when it comes back after it should have been done it just sends it again... the last one gets added by some other process i think.
it's easy to get rid of them afterwards, but each end_of_turn is actually 3-5 tokens generated, and it's generating lots of them.

[azure lynx]

Gemma doesn't have a token for it.

[split steppe]

nobody's gonna know, just shove it under the rug

[jovial remnant]

Are you using API? Maybe it has "end of sequence" you could use?

[azure lynx]

i'm using llama.cpp directly to load the gguf.

[jovial remnant]

Cause if you can I would absolutely recommend adding a special token to the tokenizer and train with that

[azure lynx]

this is version 0.1, with the first proper testing (as in not a script which sends inputs like asking them to count or something). fine tuning is absolutely needed to make it work with this model size.

it's also having trouble understanding how to use the tools. it's ignoring the parenthese it needs around the command... i thought that would be the easiest to understand. ;[ /dm(username blah blah blah). but it keeps leaving the parentheses out.

[jovial remnant]

yeah, if you are doing fine-tuning then you should add a special token to the tokenizer, use that tokenizer in training and then save it with the adapter or merged model, or whatever method you are using

[azure lynx]

it's defintely too small for what's being asked of it at the moment.

[split steppe]

custom token(s) should work fine independent of model size no?

[jovial remnant]

Then it's easier to teach model to do specific stuff

[split steppe]

since there's no way for it to be generated as a "half" of what you wanted

[jovial remnant]

yeah

[azure lynx]

the fine tuning is independent(ish) of changing model size. the model size is more about the instruction following.

[jovial remnant]

mainly that + from model's perspective it only appears in situations you intend the model to use it for, so it can't get confused with pretraining data tokens

[split steppe]

yeh

[azure lynx]

they sure did something interesting with their token choices for gemma.

[jovial remnant]

also this specific issue could be caused by training data padding issue, or maybe something related to End of Sequence token

[split steppe]

there's a bit i read also that with llama.cpp you must have the correct chat template or it will end up in garbage

<- amateur llamacpp user

[azure lynx]

it works other than that, and it respects the "tokens"

[split steppe]

altho the gguf prolly comes with it right

let me ask my chatbot

https://tenor.com/1zI6.gif

[azure lynx]

it was originally matching on <end_of_turn> but then for some reason occasionally it would output <end_of_turn<end_of_turn> so the 'fix' was apparently to change what was being searched for to the new string... which resulting in the message that I posted. ;/

it's probably adding the token in two locations and only the last one is doing it all the way.
I've had all the chatbots look at it because it's such a long running (but able to be ignored mostly) problem but because the codebase sprawls now, they generally try making the string that's matching shorter. ;/

[split steppe]

actually wouldn't the fact that it can output a partial end of turn mean that it's gotten trained on the literal string <end_of_turn>, which should have been a single non-text token

[jovial remnant]

I'm kinda confused by the wording, is the model generating the <end_of_turn> or is it something you add?

[azure lynx]

yep. you'd think so. but here we are with the tokens "<" "end_of_", "turn" , and ">" it seems. ("end_of_" might also be split but i haven't been stupid enough to keep trying to make it shorter.

(the early ones might be different)

[split steppe]

i don't think it's a length issue, i think it's that the signaling is being done within the normal text content, the metadata should be their own special tokens

the literal text "<end_of_turn>" shouldn't exist anywhere in there

[jovial remnant]

well yeah, tokenizer will tokenize based on what characters are behind and after it as well, so you can't guarantee it to be always the same tokens unless you specifically add it as a one single token to the tokenizer, which then will make the tokenizer prioritize in tokenization so such a string is nothing else than that one special token

[azure lynx]

i think it should stop polling the LLM until the context has changed after it's output one <end_of_turn (even if it hasn't finished it)

it's probably a state machine type thing pumping out the tokens making up <end_of_turn> at the end and my 'clever' logic is messing something up

[split steppe]

what does the end of turn actually signify there?

is it end of the llm response?

it shouldn't be multiple tokens if so

[azure lynx]

<start_of_turn>model
<|thought|>BBQ sauce... okay. That's... unexpected. That changes things. I need to re-evaluate everything. This is getting weird. I'm going to try to remember what I said before.

<|say|> BBQ sauce? Seriously? Okay... let me think... I was talking about pepperoni... and then you said something about... oh, wait. I think I was trying to remember what *you* liked. I'm so confused. <end_of_<end_of_<end_of_<end_of_<end_of_<end_of_<end_of_<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>user

[split steppe]

i feel like it's been trained on the metadata representation text by accident

[azure lynx]

yeah probably they got to a certain point and were like "oh... it's still working, i guess. ;/"

[jovial remnant]

what are you using <end_of_turn> mechanically for?

[azure lynx]

i'm using it to know when the agent has finished so I can stop pumping output. trying to.

[split steppe]

because there shouldn't have been multiple or anything partial about the turn tokens, they should have been separate metatokens from the training data, which never appear in the training data

[jovial remnant]

but most models already have their own "End of sequence" type of token, which they always generate and it automatically signals whatever software the model is running on, that this marks the end of output

[split steppe]

check your training data and vocab methinks

that also

if you're fine tuning you shouldn't need to manually add your own right? it should be part of the vocab already

[azure lynx]

blame google. this is using a base Gemma 3 Instruct thing

hmm. could be how i'm loading the model. I see something saying it should be a single token... but this is what the model is producing. hmm.

[split steppe]

it definitely should be a single token

the metadata signaling tokens should be singular ones, the "<end_of_turn>" is just a readable representation, but it's never part of the actual source data

[azure lynx]

load: control token:      1 '<eos>' is not marked as EOG
load: control token:      0 '<pad>' is not marked as EOG
load: control token:      2 '<bos>' is not marked as EOG
load: control token:    105 '<start_of_turn>' is not marked as EOG
load: control token: 255999 '<start_of_image>' is not marked as EOG
load: control token: 256000 '<end_of_image>' is not marked as EOG
load: special_eos_id is not in special_eog_ids - the tokenizer config may be incorrect
load: printing all EOG tokens:
load:   - 1 ('<eos>')
load:   - 106 ('<end_of_turn>')

it's loading it and has an <end_of_turn> token that it's just not producing??

[split steppe]

you shouldn't see them normally

[jovial remnant]

It seems like <end_of_turn> is a special token in Gemma 3 so there seems to be an issue with tokenizer you are using, cause for Gemma it should be 1 token for the model to understand it correctly

[split steppe]

those are for the internal signaling

[jovial remnant]

nah you should see them unless you are doing any logic to hide them

[azure lynx]

but they should come out atomically

[split steppe]

ah i guess depends which end of the api you're holding

[jovial remnant]

also this says <eos> and <end_of_turn> automatically make the model stop generating

Maybe perhaps whatever data you used for training had its tokenization done incorrectly, and model learned to output <end_of_turn> however training data had it. For sure not as one special token it should be

[azure lynx]

there is no situation where you get a series of tokens to make up the <end_of_turn> token normally that I'm aware of unless there is something weird happening.
i've added an explicit check for the current token matching llama_vocab_eot(vocab) with the vocab for the model.
There was an explicit EOS check but not EOT.

[kind nimbus]

Absolutely

[split steppe]

my bet's that your training included the literal string <end_of_turn>

somehow

[jovial remnant]

Well, for sure that series of tokens existed somewhere for the model to generate end of turn as separate tokens. Don't see any other reasonable way for that to happen

[split steppe]

are you able to inspect the raw untranslated values?

check what the partial <end_of_ is in the vocab

[azure lynx]

perhaps if you keep asking after it sends an EOT token it generates the EOT message by hand so it produces it?

I'm rebuilding now. have to cleanly shutdown the agent.

coordinator app is starting to look cluttered.

[split steppe]

what are you cookin anyway, your own neuro?

[azure lynx]

best 30m vibe coding i ever did.

[jovial remnant]

the easiest check would be to see what the token id for End of Turn is, and then compare that with your tokenized training data

[split steppe]

never thought about it but imgui might actually be perfect for vibecoding a dev ui 🤔

[azure lynx]

something like that. not 100% sure what the path will be.

[split steppe]

nice

[rare bridge]

i've used typescript and i feel like i'm losing my mind every time i use it

anyway

@silent cloak found why the library reloads the db on import

as for how it works\

it pulls GeoLite2-country on reload

downloads the data, unzips it

and uses that

[trim valve]

last time I tried to use typescript I had to make a manual wrapper around websockets because I couldn't stand callbacks

[silent cloak]

yeah thats dumb

if u can workaround it good but u can always just fork it too and expose a public method to do it yourself for when you want to

[rare bridge]

i might just rewrite the entire thing lmao

[trim valve]

monkey patch reload

[silent cloak]

honestly if its that dated might as well

if they dont update often then u probably dont need to worry about api changes

typescript rewrite 🔥

[tender river]

use async

[trim valve]

yeah that's basically what I did

[silent cloak]

i like typescript besides how it infers stuff sometimes

though that just could be an ide issue

[opaque sigil]

promisify my beloved

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[azure lynx]

just got an email about a subscription i thought i had cancelled increasing in price.
NOW i am unsubscribed.

[fast pagoda]

think you unsubbed

next month, your card has been charged

least favourite thing

[sage crag]

no

least favourite thing is

[fast pagoda]

yang

[sage crag]

call to unsubscribe

can only unsubscribe one month in advance of contract renewal

[fast pagoda]

u subscribe to a lotta 18+ communities eh

ive never had that be forced D:

actuallynvm

fucking

gym

[sage crag]

if you call a vps

18+

[trim valve]

i mean

legally probably

[sage crag]

yes legally

but

illegally

[trim valve]

that reminds me of my funny hetzner bill

[fast pagoda]

what like a server?

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

£0.28 bill

[sage crag]

cpu time on a server

[fast pagoda]

i had a box over off in the netherlands for like 7 years for $5/month and i can cancel whenever

that sounds horrible

[sage crag]

it is

im currently paying for my life lesson

i havent been able to cancel it for ages

[olive sable]

i should be the one thats sad, my money is gone

[sage crag]

i was supposed to cancel it in february bybphone but i forgor

[fast pagoda]

during covid i had a 24hourfitness membership i couldnt use because covidf

[azure lynx]

my service would have automatically stopped at the end of may anyway when the credit card expires.

[fast pagoda]

and they made you either go to branch (closed, confrontational)

or like

mail them something

i used whatever that first "robo lawyer" service was i cant even remember what it was called

and they mailed a certified mail demand to cancel my shit and give me a refund

which they did

[split steppe]

so glad i'm in europe and corps get sued out of existence if they try to make cancellations hard :V

favourite subscription service is AWS, if you forget to meticulously clean all services out of your account they will keep charging you after closure with no recourse

[fast pagoda]

landlord behavior

[split steppe]

they make bank on that shit. i hate *aas, but i'm making one hah

[leaden crest]

296/574 on a programming competition where the cutoff to the next round is top 50%

[spark vortex]

oof...

[split steppe]

he's passing no?

[spark vortex]

it lost by 9 points/spots

[split steppe]

ah wait

yeah

[spark vortex]

welp, thats unfortunate lol

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/mJj4NPmv3yP.gif

[spark vortex]

better luck next time andrew!

[split steppe]

turn it into a CTF, put yourself in the winning half

[azure lynx]

top 50% of all scores or has to be over 50% of the maximum possible score?

[split steppe]

"; DROP TABLE competition; --

[azure lynx]

oh... ranking.

[split steppe]

i forgot about ranking as well ha

[spark vortex]

whats so confusing about the rank

[split steppe]

i though it's score lol

[azure lynx]

well, at least you know almost all of of the competitors who were eliminated were worse than you

[spark vortex]

why would the score be out of 574... usually scores are round, like 500 (although rare) or 100

[split steppe]

you know that you're perfectly average

[azure lynx]

could be that's how many questions they had?

[split steppe]

idk, wouldn't be the first weird scoring system i've seen

[azure lynx]

many CTFs have weird total scores

[spark vortex]

574 questions? what would all those questions be about, for a programming competition, im sure theres better ways to score than Q/A

[azure lynx]

by question i mean "challenge"

or how many points there were coz some might be worth 15 or 7 or soemthing

[split steppe]

what if it's 574 tests to pass for your code

leetcode shit yknow

[spark vortex]

absurd

but maybe

[split steppe]

oh you think you wrote a correct implementation, here's a stupid edge case

[olive sable]

[split steppe]

but ye it's obviously ranking, i'm just cooked

[spark vortex]

I need something to code aaaaaaaaaaaa

someone give me ideas

[split steppe]

make me a selfhosted basic websearch mcp

so that i can plug it into my local llm for extra smarts

[azure lynx]

+1, -1, 0, maxint maxuint maxu?int[+-]{1,2,4,8,16,32,64} things. oh and also for multiples of 10 +/- 1
^ some magic numbers for breaking bad code.

[split steppe]

give it to the chaos monkey

watch your perfect code throw up and disintegrate

https://tenor.com/vTsWXiaRbYq.gif

[azure lynx]

did you know that fgets() doesn't always read an entire line? it's true!
it's interesting how many people think 1024 bytes is enough for a line.
or some other fixed constant. coz bad guys can sometimes count higher than the maximum size and trick the reader into doing weird stuff.

and if your program is reading partially evil guy controlled data and thinks the middle of the line is the start of the line, bad stuff can happen.

[spark vortex]

self-hosted as in, the search engine itself is self-hosted?

[split steppe]

nah just the mcp server, it would call out to google, etc

[spark vortex]

ohh

I thought I had to make a crawler lmao

[split steppe]

well hey you can do that too :V

[azure lynx]

the internet is big. you are not going to crawl much of it.

[split steppe]

also do it in PHP

[spark vortex]

well with enough time I technically could

but like

I bet the internet is growing faster than a crawler could index

So it would still be behind..

[split steppe]

technically you can't crawl the whole internet because it's full of private, hidden and restricted subnetworks

[spark vortex]

yeah? they're hidden for a reason

[split steppe]

some fraction of the public Web is best anyone does, even the giants

[spark vortex]

also what about a random ip address

thats part of the internet too

but

lets be real no crawler would index that...

[split steppe]

the internet technically speaking is the physical network

the Web is the content on it, public side anyway

[spark vortex]

because it has no way of finding it (for the most part)

[azure lynx]

the Web is some of the content on the internet.
remember that servers aren't just webservers.

[split steppe]

yuh

[spark vortex]

I find it funny how search engines use the same algorithm used to solve a maze...

[split steppe]

you can actually hit the entire ipv4 space in a fairly short amount of time nowadays

like under a day

[nocturne olive]

Hope you can get it back

[azure lynx]

that's because there are only really a limited number of effective algorithms.

[minor sail]

But crawling ips isn't crawling all hostnames

[split steppe]

yuh

[leaden crest]

under 574/2th place

[split steppe]

the ip space itself is fairly boring

the real meat is hitting whatever's behind the billions of NATs everywhere, for which you need hostname + port for any response

[azure lynx]

the internet isn't very well utilized in ipv4 space.

[split steppe]

it's incredibly well utilized actually, we ran out of addresses like 20 years ago

[leaden crest]

im not sad about the comp I got the same score as my friends who are national olympiad level

[split steppe]

it's been densely packed through layers and layers of NATs

occupying basically all available addresses and ports

[azure lynx]

IPv4 should only be used for development. ;]

[split steppe]

hah well, that's ipv6 for most of its lifetime

did you know we created ipv6 in 1995 because we knew we would run out of the v4 space quickly

and it's still not properly adopted

only like 40-50% of traffic can be handled fully by v6, aside from mobile networks

[azure lynx]

I was partially responsible for the internet running out of space. i had a /24 for a while.

[split steppe]

you must be wealthy

a whole 256 addresses!

ipv4 is the next bitcoin

it's true! people minted it, now it's rent seeking, it only goes up in value as there's more participants

[azure lynx]

it wasn't mine personally unfortuately. but my name was on it. would've been nice to keep it but it's long been reassigned.

[split steppe]

darn

[olive sable]

damn

for the SDK for the lightcrafter

i need to promise i wont use it to make missiles

[rough bloom]

can you make missiles with it as long as you don't use the SDK

[olive sable]

I guess

I didnt sign anything for buying the hardware

And the sdk just sends usb commands anyways

[rough bloom]

[tender river]

can you make a drone instead

[rough bloom]

volumetric display missile

[olive sable]

Probably

This thing is not heavy at all

The main purpose of these 4225hz projectors is 3D imageing

The DLP LightCrafter 4500’s feature set makes it an ideal platform for powering industrial 3D machine vision scanners, medical imaging devices, spectrometers, and much more.

i would like to add that this 20MB sdk is downloading at 30 KB/s

[fast pagoda]

i saw some folks in the last week or 2 have open sourced a manpads as well as field radar

now it's your turn sam

[olive sable]

i also had to say i wouldn't redistribute

its not hard to get your hands on this software yourself tho, except if you're in certain countries

[trim valve]

is that for your code using the SDK's API or more specifically just "don't redistribute our SDK binaries"

[olive sable]

i think its for the sdk itself

not the code

[trim valve]

yeah makes sense

[glad path]

erm

[olive sable]

mods, if this is breakign rule 3 feel free to nuke the message

[opaque sigil]

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

[young plover]

damn, there goes my plan to use a TI 555 timer in my bomb

[trim valve]

i think I got a similar page when looking for dell manuals which was funny

[olive sable]

you cans still use that one, just dont use the SDK

i dont condone the creation of bombs btw

[warped narwhal]

Speak for yourself

-# in minecraft

[olive sable]

im in

[rough bloom]

🔺

[olive sable]

lemme read the manual actually

[azure lynx]

good news and bad news.

good news: my agent was just playing Zork and finding it frustrating. that means the game launcher, the agent, the tts, the avatar and the dm client are all working together.
bad news: I had an unexpected power down while it was running.

[olive sable]

edid reprogramming

[faint sandal]

why did e program

[olive sable]

[glad path]

om

[tender river]

@lyric crypt why

[glad path]

what are u using the lightcrafter for

[olive sable]

volumetric dispaly

[leaden crest]

update on that programming contest:
top 50% was apparently including everyone with no correct problems, so I ended up making the cutoff by a long shot

[olive sable]

the 912x1140 goes crazy

[glad path]

huh

[glad path]

show

[olive sable]

if i had built it already i wouldn't be testing the lightcafter rn

On camera it has funky lines

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, looks like just a normal day on Windows 11

[olive sable]

can superbox go one day without throwing shade on win11?

this isnt even caused by win 11

not a single person besides me has had this issue before in the entire world

well, maybe a couple other people

[glad path]

looks like windows to me

[olive sable]

its not a windows bug

[rough bloom]

[nocturne olive]

I'm just joking around

[rough bloom]

fixed with longer exposure mabe?

[nocturne olive]

Let me do some of that sometimes too, even if I'm not good at it

[olive sable]

probably

[olive sable]

im just getting tired of this "x platform is better" elitism

the linux people are not better than the apple people

they both have this

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile NeuroSynth has already escaped swarm

NeuroSynth now featured in a Deltarune community project

[olive sable]

thats crazy

[nocturne olive]

And this is just a beginning
NeuroSynth isn't targeting swarm
It's targeting the wider Vocaloid community

[glad path]

darn

[glad path]

i do have to agree tho

every platform has its strengths

none of them are objectively bad

they're all very very capable and have many many use cases

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth also has plenty of internal progress
I call NeuroSynth/JA basically done
NeuroSynth voice bank assets are complete
We have a plan for NeuroSynth/EN
I have a song picked out and in progress for NeuroSynth's release trailer
Things are rapidly getting closer to release

[glad path]

at least every major one

idk how capable temple os is

[leaden crest]

cant wait to see neuro’s voice overlaid on some minecraft parkour while talking about the political state of the middle east /j

[nocturne olive]

Sil

[leaden crest]

its a really cool project jokes aside

[nocturne olive]

And it's quite some absolute tomfoolery

[leaden crest]

how exactly does the ml work? do you feed neuro’s official voice and try to make it as close as possible

[nocturne olive]

Eh, kinda
It's a little more complicated than that
NeuroSynth uses synthetic data alongside organic data and cross-training data to achieve maximal results

[leaden crest]

could you adapt it to work on human singers too

like those ai sloppers are doing

or is it finetuned to neuro

[nocturne olive]

This model is made for Neuro, but there's nothing stopping the same techniques from working with real singers' voices

[leaden crest]

cool

[chrome rampart]

superbox

r u a nerd

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1072660827276054580.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=neuroPat2