programming

[kind nimbus]

What's MOE?

[fast pagoda]

it only has 1b active parameters

[amber fractal]

Mixture of Experts

only some run

[nocturne olive]

Funny model that goes really stupid fast

[kind nimbus]

Is there anything known about that model? Lol

I hope it supports tool calling and doesn't refuse

[nocturne olive]

30B MoE 190 t/s vs 27B non-MoE 37 t/s

[fast pagoda]

it's a model with a router and a bunch of segments ("experts") much smaller than the total weights that each learn different bits of the data and together can produce outputs significantly better than any of them alone as each token is being routed to the "best" (usually top-K) experts among them

[kind nimbus]

sounds interesting

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Did you find out if the 3090 is real yet?

[olive sable]

nope

[nocturne olive]

Guess I keep praying

[fast pagoda]

generally to find the equivalent-ish if of an MoE in terms of dense you can take the geomean so sqrt(total params * active params) in this case sqrt(10x1)=3.16 so roughly 3b equivalent but for this end of the spectrum it's probably a bit off, i'd expect to fall somewhere in the 3-5b dense model range while being a lot faster

[olive sable]

i wouldnt have my hopes up

[fast pagoda]

it's qwen3 architecture

that's about all probably anyone knows

besides nous

i just logged into hf and it was posted lol

that's why i mentioned it at all

[rigid snow]

llm talk yay exciting

[kind nimbus]

well there are some issues with the model

It's a base model, not an instruct/chat model

Weights are in safetensors/BF16, not GGUF — so it won't run on Ollama without conversion and quantization

and the question is how good is MoE architecture at following instructions and using tools ?

[fast pagoda]

it's probably garbag

it is a random training run likely

[kind nimbus]

maybe idk

[rigid snow]

an acquaintance showed me a server they run at their business, it’s a threadripper pro 5995wx with a 5090 and they run gpt oss 120b on it (offloading to cpu of course you’re not fitting that in 32gb) and i was surprised they get just 10-15 tps on that

[fast pagoda]

that's a bit surprising

[rigid snow]

like surely the cpu is good enough

[kind nimbus]

damn nice

[fast pagoda]

120b ran like doodoo on my card and i figured that was a radeon certified moment despite 32gb which i figured would be enough but

huh

[nocturne olive]

Maybe not using all mem channels?

[rigid snow]

yeah so something is wrong

i did think it’s too little but didn’t have any point of reference

[fast pagoda]

i would expect it to run better than that with that system yeah

[nocturne olive]

Inference is a mem bandwidth problem

[fast pagoda]

something the 5090 doesnt have an issue with

at all

5090 mem bw is 1.8TB/s

[rigid snow]

yeah but 120b

[fast pagoda]

system ram would be loaded

[rigid snow]

q4 i think

[fast pagoda]

but with a threadripper it would be fine

should be fine

even if it's ddr4

[kind nimbus]

i think i will keep this model for now. it seems to run ok

openclaw@openclaw:~$ ollama ps
NAME                                                  ID              SIZE      PROCESSOR    CONTEXT    UNTIL
dagbs/qwen2.5-coder-7b-instruct-abliterated:q5_k_m    7f8f49b6c160    6.9 GB    100% GPU     16000      Forever

[true hemlock]

204GB/s on the zen3 wx

considering it gets offloaded

[fast pagoda]

that should be fine, it should be offloading like a little more than half the total model weights

it's mxfp4 native and also an MoE

that's why they got to claim "runs on a single 4090" or whatever the hell schizo thing they were saying

[nocturne olive]

You'd need to go Q2 at least to fit 120B on a 4090

[fast pagoda]

yeah but that's not what that's saying

[rigid snow]

you shouldn’t need to

[fast pagoda]

runs

it should be fine with a lot of it offloaded

[rigid snow]

ye

[fast pagoda]

opened it without changing anything

[rigid snow]

[fast pagoda]

mis-configured 509

kek

idiot

and this card's vram bandwidth is dogshit in comparison 640GB/s

[kind nimbus]

I just realized what date it is today

[fast pagoda]

friyay the 13th

[kind nimbus]

Lol yea

[fast pagoda]

last month had a friday the 13th as well

so this is a rare lucky double friday the 13th

[nocturne olive]

I wonder what's the mathematically longest possible streak of months with Friday 13th

[fast pagoda]

looking around it looks like for a 5090 with oss 120b should be at least 100 tok/s

[azure lynx]

has to be february and march in a non-leap year.

there's no other month with a multiple of 7 days in it other than feb so all other ones move the day each number is on

[fast pagoda]

damn i used hf-cli for like 1 thing and installed torch a couple times and

uh oh they let gemini into the google maps repo

[rigid snow]

love the "Do." in the reasoning

[fast pagoda]

yeah it was clearly running at maximum oversmart

my god i finally got this thing to train

had to build my own rocm/hip 7.2 which wasnt fun but it works and im mad i didnt go scorched earth before because i basically had to remove a million mismatched HIP versions all over the place to get it to not pull them in and explode

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

hi

[rigid snow]

hey

how's your engine going or whatever you're doing rn

[olive sable]

im not sure

fixing drivers is hard when you dont know why its broken

[rigid snow]

oh right the volumetric spinning helix of death display thingamajig

[olive sable]

ye

its writen in C

program in C

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

program in C

pointers assembly

manage your memory

[rigid snow]

i will not

[olive sable]

Dingxian

im afraid you did a bad job

the problem appears to be SCDC scrambling

[fast pagoda]

by the time you get that thing going you'll have rewritten the entire system driver stack from the ground up and be the foremost world expert in this

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

it's in a superposition

[olive sable]

i solved quantum computing

[fast pagoda]

what kind of whacky shit did they build this SSD with if it causes me to get inherited by kratos or whatever

inhabited even

[olive sable]

its gen4 ssd, "wings of the god of war" more like wings of the lastgen garbage

[fast pagoda]

id rather give lexar every nand ever made to create more mythological drives in last gen speeds than let openai get their hands on one more chip

[olive sable]

the code is checking the wrong register and therefore never enabling HDMI-2.0 mode.

could it truely be that simple?

[fast pagoda]

that's how it is on this bitch of an earth

[rigid snow]

yeah cause pcie gen 4 speeds are famously slow and garbage

are you hearing yourself

[olive sable]

ofcourse gen 4 is fine

but gen 5 came out years ago

i dont see why we need this over the top marketing for something that is already old news

[rigid snow]

what do you need gen5 speeds on your drive for

[rigid snow]

i don't see them pointing out it's super fast

only that it's divinely intelligent, calculates cleverly and comes back twice as strong

[azure lynx]

and causes heavenly wars

[rough bloom]

not marketing it like this would be an insult to the god contained in the SSD

[olive sable]

[azure lynx]

"I shall give you the secret of higher memory bandwidth on one condition!" "Do you need my first born child?" "Nah.. just put me in the ad."

[olive sable]

i mean, they did put "PCIe 4.0 interface" on it highlighted in red

as if thats special

[azure lynx]

there wasn't any other color other than white and black

[olive sable]

gen 4 is the bare minimum

id be suprised if they still make gen 3 drives

[azure lynx]

"Our game is so well optimized it even runs on this hardware."

[olive sable]

i jsut googled it, that drive is from mid 2023, and the pcie gen 5 nvmes came out around the end of 2023

so i guess it was still noteworthy then

its not a new product, i thought afunyun psoted it here cuz it was

i mean, this text looks ai generated

[rigid snow]

that's important

not everyone is apple to be putting only the special parts in marketing

try finding out how much ram an iphone has using apple.com

[olive sable]

dont you have to spec it out on apples website?

huh

i guess they dont tell you

the lexar one was really over the top, but its better than just not having the info

i ran out of tokens, so started a new convo with flash 3.
i just told it what the previous one told me

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

fixing that didn't actually change anything noticeable
it was just also broken

[fast pagoda]

nah it's just on temu

i just found the marketing funny

in fact it was funnier because of the mundane nature of the product itself

[olive sable]

if its not official then it has to be ai generated or something

[fast pagoda]

it's official

[olive sable]

so the text is just funky cuz no reason?

[fast pagoda]

you think random chinese storefronts & manufacturers aren't using AI images at this point or somethin

[olive sable]

are they not?

[fast pagoda]

they are

[olive sable]

it gave me another fix. but it was like "no need to fix each broken line, ill give you a fixed version and you can copy paste it"

so now im watching it write 5K lines of C

[fast pagoda]

the store is called

storage space station

more ai text in this part

look at the text under ares on the drive and at the bottom

to be honest, it was probably in chinese and they just yeeted it thru something to translate it

[olive sable]

that could actually be the case

[fast pagoda]

confirmed

[olive sable]

its the god of war

supposedly

[azure lynx]

that's not how Ares was, that's how Ares are.

useful bar graph showing the difference between 1,2, and 4. Sometimes i get confused with it being visual.

[fast pagoda]

in case you needed a lil refresher

4 is bigger than 2

which is bigger than 1

but ur mom is bigger than all

• lexar marketing

im moving to china

$175

[olive sable]

china has cheap tech ye

thats partially why quack gets good deals

[azure lynx]

i kinda want some large storage that doesn't have to be super fast so i've got a back up.

[olive sable]

we pay the shipping, import, and middleman taxes for all our tech

[fast pagoda]

rust

[olive sable]

a hdd basically

[azure lynx]

oh yeah. they exist.

[fast pagoda]

speaking of those i still need to purchase a few sas connections

[rough bloom]

HDD or tape

[fast pagoda]

the fact that tape is still around and in active use is great

[nocturne olive]

Ah I see, very makes sense

[split steppe]

good challenge

you might have a woefully misconfigured gpt-oss-120b

[true hemlock]

DUDE

THIS IS LIKE ONE OF THE PRETTIEST BOARD I'VE SEEN

[fickle rain]

What's the board

[trim valve]

davinci resolve is inventing fake ip addresses and then complaining that they don't work

they're podman's internal network

[glass jetty]

i was shocked when got random packet on tun, with absolutely random distillation ip
that was until i parsed first 4 bits and figured out that it is my internal network ipv6 icmp packets or something similar

also, that all make no sense now
my ssh not work properly now
they slow all network, not only http
well, at least http (reality) work, and not just blocked

[trim valve]

now I need to figure out why my container volume doesn't mount

[mighty thorn]

This says a lot about post industrial society

[kind nimbus]

lmao someone tried to copy claude opus
https://huggingface.co/Jackrong/Qwen3.5-27B-Claude-4.6-Opus-Reasoning-Distilled

[small anvil]

web design is my passion

[trim valve]

uvr did in fact not work

wait what

nvm davinci resolve was gaslighting me

[fast pagoda]

There are 2 of these I have on my drive

One of them had interesting reasoning (😞 bad)

[olive sable]

goodmorning

[topaz tendon]

holy shit WHAT

[split steppe]

hungerbird

[olive sable]

34GB

[topaz tendon]

I thought I was running out of memory in RE9 but nope, the fucking bird ate it all

[olive sable]

RE9, eventho its AAA, shouldnt come anywhere close to 34GB

[topaz tendon]

Well I thought about VRAM first, but exceeding 16 GB at 1080p would be uh

surprising

[split steppe]

why use the weird tunings? qwen's been excellent for me as-is

[chrome rampart]

chatgpt looking

well, actually scratch that

everything looks the same on the web nowadays

[ebon basin]

Lol they complaind so much about getting crawled by Chinese X

But GPT 5.4 bet them anyway

[rigid snow]

it's always the 12px monospace thin variant font

[patent shard]

https://huggingface.co/anvuew/BS_RoFormer_mag/tree/main
New vocal isolation model
People say it's good.. I still need to try it

[ebon basin]

The distillation is just a tat too big for (gamer)GPUS with 28B params but it gettign closer

[kind nimbus]

[nocturne olive]

@high brook

[patent shard]

I don't know how it compares to the good models already released, though
All the models have flaws and each seem to have their strengths
I'll have to try it in a few hours

[rigid snow]

i have a question

why are you so obsessed with vocal separation

[nocturne olive]

Vocal separation = dataset = peak

[rigid snow]

you yeah

[patent shard]

Because sometimes I want to just hear the vocals
Also can help hear harmonies better
Although, that's the karaoke models that split lead from backing

[rigid snow]

that's... interesting

[patent shard]

[split steppe]

[small anvil]

i based the design on sort of how claude looks

you can tell by the color scheme

and uh

i just like rounded things so

[chrome rampart]

and the large fucking bar

that every single site has

for some reason

[small anvil]

i havent seen that type of bar much

its got 2 variants

also uh

[chrome rampart]

fair enough, it's like everywhere IF it's an ai site

font feels claudy too

[small anvil]

its called DM Mono iirc

[chrome rampart]

[small anvil]

https://fonts.google.com/specimen/DM+Mono

[chrome rampart]

What are you planning to do with the site, though?

[small anvil]

its gonna be an administrative site for provisioning proxmox containers with set docker images or pure binaries

so i dont have to go through the pain of setting one up manually each time

it'll also have stuff for load balancing and such

[chrome rampart]

Holy

[high brook]

I'll poke it latet

[chrome rampart]

I can't understand a single word

https://tenor.com/view/dented-pepe-dentge-meme-hit-gif-15873918808390144538

[olive sable]

[small anvil]

put it through ai

jk

but

its just gonna help me make virtual machines that can run docker images or services

so i dont have to keep doing it myself

[olive sable]

why no yellows in chat?
banana campaign 2026 isnt going well

[small anvil]

everything im planning to implement, but who knows what it'll look like later

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[chrome rampart]

I would but, banana does not quite fit me

[rough bloom]

[leaden crest]

convince me why I should particiapte

[olive sable]

yellow

banana

🍌

[unkempt citrus]

i liek blu

[leaden crest]

counterargument

teal

[olive sable]

i need reinforcements

where is the cult leader?

@sage crag

[rough bloom]

[leaden crest]

it says not a cult

[rough bloom]

NOT a cult

[split steppe]

pink

[olive sable]

NOT a cult

[leaden crest]

[split steppe]

neuro's obviously trustworthy cult

[leaden crest]

does neuro sponsor the banana cult

I mean campaign

[olive sable]

the triangle organization sponsors the banana campaign

idk about neuro, haven't asked her

[leaden crest]

is the triangle organization a pyramid scheme perchance

[olive sable]

no

[split steppe]

it's much simpler than that obviously

a triangle lacks one dimension

it's clearly a scam!

[olive sable]

if it was a pyramid scheme id not be broke

[leaden crest]

[olive sable]

when did you 2 join neurocord?

[leaden crest]

when?

[olive sable]

2026

[leaden crest]

erm actually I am technically 2025

[olive sable]

ye you 2 missed out ont he triangle arc

[split steppe]

i did

[olive sable]

it says jan 1 2026

[leaden crest]

december 31st in my time zone

[split steppe]

literally a whole year ago

[olive sable]

basically, in the summer of 2025 we had a competition to make a single triangle render on as much fps as possible

[leaden crest]

oh god

[olive sable]

we ended up on like 126K fps

🔺

[split steppe]

hmmm, what are the constraints?

sounds like you could have rented a server farm for a few minutes :V

[olive sable]

each frame needs to be rendered form scratch, so clearing the framebuffer eacht ime

[thick karma]

I remember that one time someone uploaded a shit bunch of triangles overlapping together as a Roblox item and when you wear it you can lag people instantly

[split steppe]

if i rent a gpu cluster is it cheating

[olive sable]

no, that doesnt do well for raw fps. render farm is only good for big compute

[nocturne olive]

Triangle wouldn't work with multi-GPU really

[olive sable]

people actually got decent scores with integrated graphics

[nocturne olive]

Triangle demands low latency instead

[olive sable]

ye

[nocturne olive]

It's basically a hardware internal latency benchmark

[olive sable]

a single triangle only made my 3090 go to 40% usage at 126K fps

the issue is latency

[split steppe]

rent (or own) a maxed out mac studio

[thick karma]

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/accessory-that-lags-the-entire-game/3033275

[nocturne olive]

Hm, unified memory does kinda have potential

[olive sable]

that could work, but mac doenst have vulkan so you'd need to use the metal translation layer

[split steppe]

why would you need vulkan

[olive sable]

vulkan is just the fastest way to render stuff

[split steppe]

not necessarily

it's just an api spec

[olive sable]

i guess

the only rule is jsut that you do need to have it go through the render pipeline.
so vertex shader, rasterization, fragment shader, ....

no loading a premade buffer and copying it to the framebuffer

[opaque sigil]

time for a metal port

[sick owl]

Capcom pushed a 200MB patch to RE:Requiem which broke REFramework so now I have to wait another day or two before I can play with non borked HDR again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1275636131932667916.webp?size=56&animated=true

[olive sable]

capcom owns res evil?

[sick owl]

Ye

[olive sable]

i pretty much only know them for pvz

oh no im confused

that's popcap

[sick owl]

Wait hang on

I can roll the game back, they left the depot up

[nocturne olive]

Capcom is like Megaman no?

[olive sable]

ye

somehow im confusing them with popcap

the names are pretty similar tbf

[split steppe]

i wrote a 3d renderer for a terminal for fun some years ago

[olive sable]

nice

i see you didnt have a near-plane, everything behind you inverts

[split steppe]

yuh, it was a very straightforward implementation, no fancy stuff

[olive sable]

fair

[split steppe]

did done in rust 👌

[olive sable]

next step is gpu accel

[split steppe]

lol i don't think that would help much

[sick owl]

Ayy it worked

[olive sable]

you'd be suprised

[split steppe]

nah, 99% of the latency is literally the tty protocol

[olive sable]

[split steppe]

there's nothing i can do to get past the slow terminal rendering

the raw buffer blitting on just cpu is like 10k+ fps, it's literally a 64x64 buffer

the terminal eats all of that

[olive sable]

dont bother with tty, render directly to the framebuffer

[split steppe]

hence 30fps at best

yea but then it's not terminal anymore is it 😛

[high brook]

Naw. Render direct into the visual cortext

[split steppe]

neuralink when

[olive sable]

im afraid that tech doesnt exist yet

[split steppe]

early cell tests

playing with the terminal is fun

[nocturne olive]

Legendary Wispers in #programming

[high brook]

Well Elon Musk is working on that lop

[olive sable]

lop?

[leaden crest]

didnt you ping them in earlier

[nocturne olive]

Well yes
I guess he didn't leave

[high brook]

Lol. I just typo it so much it autocorrected to lol

[olive sable]

should i ping konii again?

[sage crag]

NOT a cult

but

to be clear

banana 2026 campaign is salvation

[olive sable]

salvation from what?

[sage crag]

thats for higher level campaign members to know

[olive sable]

[leaden crest]

im already yellow in person

discord is a respite from my yellowness

[sage crag]

very devoted

[leaden crest]

no just asian but thanks

[sage crag]

close enough

https://tenor.com/view/baothelop-glasses-bunny-professorial-gif-5087943380944875848

[olive sable]

[leaden crest]

ehh ykw what do I have to lose

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[leaden crest]

all hail the banana cult

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

NOT a cult

all hail

[olive sable]

2026 banana campaign

[leaden crest]

dude the chat is actually unreadable without my teal name for some reason

I needed the contrast to focus 😭 😭

[olive sable]

[leaden crest]

worth it

[olive sable]

are you on light mode or something?

[leaden crest]

no dark mode

[olive sable]

then there should b plenty of contrast between yellow and gray

[leaden crest]

it’s all yellow red and light blue between the three of us

[sage crag]

thats how it is when everyone is banana against a black background

true unity

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

ew

put it away

[olive sable]

[leaden crest]

[sage crag]

its amazing how minecraft and unity both have square icons, and both draw memories from the past, but minecraft draws nostalgia, whereas unity only draws torment

square

dentge

cube

[trim valve]

[leaden crest]

I like how unity has a lot of releases where all they do is move around the ui and rename things

[sage crag]

helo bred

[leaden crest]

it’s like when grocery stores move around their products

[sage crag]

<- also vaguely cubic

cuboid

[trim valve]

hellop

[leaden crest]

hybrid

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

that

NOT() me()

^ lop

[leaden crest]

lop + bunny =

[sage crag]

<- lop (compact mode)

[leaden crest]

^

[sage crag]

wrr

[leaden crest]

weighted round robin algorithm?

[olive sable]

awa

[sage crag]

awa

topipoprr

phrr

[leaden crest]

fascinating

[sage crag]

beep

🐟

[olive sable]

boop

[sage crag]

hwy

give me my fish back

[olive sable]

i dont want it

what am i supposed to do with a fish?

unless that fish is an expert in hdmi drivers

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

neuroNOTnoted

neuro n o tnoted

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

t

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

[patent shard]

oki, I'm gonna try the new model now

it has a lot of noise :/

I'll try it compared to another semi-fullness model

def more noisy

I'll try a few more songs...

yeah, it's more noisy
but I think it's keeping the harmonies at a much more proper volume.. so kind of higher fullness, too
despite metric scores saying this model should have higher bleedless and less fullness than the model I'm comparing to...
but metric scores can be quite off sometimes compared to real-world experience
not a bad model.. but def a little noisy, too

although... I think it has the same issue as the deux model... can have a lot of noise during quieter/silent parts

[trim valve]

do you accept slightly above average fish in your endeavours

[olive sable]

yes

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

@native surge

fish

🐟

[olive sable]

🐟

[olive sable]

https://github.com/orangepi-xunlong/linux-orangepi/tree/orange-pi-5.10-rk35xx/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/hdmirx
as long as i can get these drivers to work i dont mind if its fixed by a fish

[patent shard]

https://huggingface.co/GaboxR67/MelBandRoformers/tree/main/melbandroformers/vocals I like the one that says voc fv7 here better
only issue is it's prone to have instruments bleed through... but if it doesn't happen, it can be really good and is toward the bleedless side... does have some moments where a spike of noise happens, but when that happened I could tell it usually probably had to do it to capture the thing properly
I'll try the mag one some more.. but I don't think it's overall the best choice... based on the two songs I tested it on
of course, no model is bad and there's always a use case
okay, if your model is single digit sdr then maybe it's always bad

[stray dragon]

hi konii

[olive sable]

hi t

[stray dragon]

hi sam

[native surge]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-cat-cat-car-meow-explosion-gif-13527070362113797677

[sage crag]

hit t

[stray dragon]

don't

[sage crag]

hi t*

[sage crag]

nsu explod

[olive sable]

[haughty basin]

rate my response to this 🤣

I'm cringing so hard rn but I feel like it's genius 🤣
||btw am unemployed so if you need a 12+ years experience fullstack dev for food (around $300 / day) feel free to ping me||

[olive sable]

[haughty basin]

I was actually wondering if anybody got streaming working on fishaudio s2 pro on blackwell / sm120
I'm doing it right now but feeling exhausted

this is current state 🤣

[tender river]

hit lop

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

do not

[tender river]

tpyo

[sage crag]

[tender river]

i meant

hi lop

[sage crag]

hit leaf

[tender river]

ow

konii always so violent

[sage crag]

yer

kill

destroy

explod

[olive sable]

[tender river]

not gonna

sounds like pain

im too lazy for that

[olive sable]

cat /sys/kernel/debug/hdmirx/status
status: plugin
Clk-Ch:Lock    Ch0:Unlock    Ch1:Unlock    Ch2:Unlock
Ch0-Err:32767    Ch1-Err:32767    Ch2-Err:32767
...

it would seem the 16 bit int error counter is at its maximum

oh

it thinks im sending xvYCC601 instead of RGB

[olive sable]

i may be stupid

issue fixed

lets fucking gooo

well

one issue fixed

now new issue

i asked it for 1080p60

why is it doing 4K60 😭

why cant it just work like i want it to work

thats not the pi's issue apparently

my pc is sending 4K60 eventho i set it to 1080p60 in the hyprland config

[glad path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1328945407300210728/1482236632202612850/Screenshot_2026-03-13_at_9.38.56_pm_.gif

this guy really likes his wrist rest

[silent island]

chat

[glad path]

no

[olive sable]

maybe

[silent island]

why's my chrome so empty dawgg?
is dis normal?

[glad path]

that looks nice

[olive sable]

chrome has themes

[glad path]

my safari for reference

so clean

[olive sable]

the colorbanding

😭

[rigid snow]

i'm confused what's not normal about this

[glad path]

not safaris fault

i edited the background photo

it gave it slight color banding

more pronounced because discord compressed it probably

[olive sable]

but ye, you can just apply a theme to chrome

or custom bg image

[silent island]

usually, chroome looks like this, so why does mine suddenly looks empty

[olive sable]

dark mode

and its not the same version of chrome

the 2nd image has those shortcuts top right under the searchbar

1st image is missing the google logo i guess

[glad path]

google logo on chrome is ugly

[glad path]

om

[thick imp]

im kinda confused on how a python while loop works tbh

i dont understand why am i supposed to write this

counter = 1
while counter < 10:
print(counter)
counter+=1

so how does this give me numbers 1 thru 9

[topaz tendon]

That seems right.
Your loop prints the counter first, then it bumps it up, so you start with 1.
The last value printed is 9, it bumps it to 10, and "counter < 10" is false, so that's where it ends.

If you also want 10 to be included, you'd want "counter <= 10"

[maiden geyser]

have you tried debugging it step by step

also you're supposed to use for and range() for this

[signal trout]

it will keep looping the code while "counter" is less than 10. When it is equal, it is NOT less than, so when counter becomes 10, it won't run the loop anymore, and although "counter" will equal 10, the print statement won't run.

let me know if that helps

[shrewd cloak]

They are probably just learning python and coding 😭

[signal trout]

probably so

[patent shard]

The person who uploaded the model said the mag model is best for tasks that only need magnitude, like SVC or TTS
I didn't find it great for simple vocal isolation and apparently it's not designed for that

[maiden geyser]

understandable, but that's the part so basic explaining it is basically repeating what it does but slower

[thick imp]

thanks bruv sorry for a late reply

[shrewd cloak]

true true, but tag it as better solution when they actually need something like that counter so it does not confuse new people

[mighty thorn]

[potent birch]

Nah that's crazy https://youtube.com/shorts/EZRQ-PZj6VM?si=dBo2s4luOvpwa4hU

[split steppe]

big if true

considering our last attempt at a worm which is like 1000x simpler hasn't been successfully simulated since 2014

[nocturne olive]

Certainly better than a worm but still pretty useless

[thick karma]

Was working on my project

[chrome rampart]

weren't u making like, a roblox thingy

[thick karma]

I still am lol

[chrome rampart]

am curious, have u gotten into any of the client stuff

like the game itself

or just web

so far

[thick karma]

Game APIs are being worked on

But currently my main focus is the website

and adminsite

[chrome rampart]

also do u even have the funding to run servers for literally anyone who wants to make a game, shit's expensive

[thick karma]

Lunarix has contributors which help with the funding

[chrome rampart]

oh, that's great!

good luck to you guys

[thick karma]

[chrome rampart]

by the way, if there's any advice I could give, as a pretty old robloxian. Try to make the movement system really similar. Cause like, I've tried roblox alternatives before, just to play some obbies, but man they suck

[thick karma]

Everything is similar as it is a Roblox revival lol

[chrome rampart]

I'm sure many people who are into obbies, shit like tower of hell and all, would love a switch if there was one

[chrome rampart]

That's great

I'll definitely try it

[thick karma]

Btw I utilized the Roblox 2012 admin panel as a reference into making this

[royal hearth]

does this computer looks nice from 2023/01/12?
4070 were buy it at 2023/7

it's NT$

[nocturne olive]

Not bad
The RAM costs like 1K now probably

1K in € that is

[royal hearth]

but it's DDR4

[thick karma]

Funny thing btw but when Lunarix does release I may recreate this as a concert event https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=tVKgDbElMEc

because it'll be sick

[nocturne olive]

If it was DDR5 it'd cost 3K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3QOAVrhGTg
Using lack of USB drive as an excuse to not install Linux? Not any more

[maiden geyser]

thank you for the daily dose of linux propaganda

[chrome rampart]

wow, that looks so nice

I miss square ui

WHY IS EVERYTHING ROUND NOW

AAAAAAAAA

I love how they used legend and fieldset tags as like, little sections

it looks so cute

ignore that I had to edit that message like 20 times, I forgot the name of those

[thick karma]

Ye

[olive sable]

the longer i wait, the more that 3090 is beginning to look like a scam

rip 450 euro i guess

[azure lynx]

but macos just installs from deleted media over the internet. at least it did onto my macbook.
that seems like an even easier install.

[nocturne olive]

Hem

I guess if the 3090 isn't real I'll need you to keep looking at the used market for 3090s

[olive sable]

im starting to see a problem with this arangement

im taking all the risk

i should charge a fee for that or something so i get something back form it

[azure lynx]

or pay the higher price from the more reputable seller.

[olive sable]

the idea is to find them at a low price

otherwise there's no reason to buy them in a different country

[azure lynx]

actual price = price / probability of getting it

[rough bloom]

ye, this is why you take the money first

[olive sable]

[azure lynx]

if there's a 50% chance of getting it, you'll end up paying twice as much on average

to actually get one

[olive sable]

dont you mean to multiply here?

[azure lynx]

1/ 0.5 = 1 * 2

[olive sable]

oh i see

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/baothelop-glasses-bunny-professorial-gif-5087943380944875848

[azure lynx]

the actual price is the price you'd end up paying on average (assuming a random distribution of rip offs, which there isn't)

cute kitten with a big nose and weird ears

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-white-fox-animal-cute-cute-animals-gif-16664932

[olive sable]

i have the guy's personal info so im not too concerned about it being a scam

but its pretty likely

[azure lynx]

guy: little does he know that i'm actually a raccoon living in completely different city using the park's wifi to scam humans with tales of good enough GPUs

their hands a the perfect size for the old school smart phones.

they'd just use it like a normal keyboard

[silent island]

tf???

[kind nimbus]

Lmao

Micro$lop be doing Micro$lop things

[sage crag]

lop

ert

[olive sable]

ert

[fast pagoda]

qc stands for Qlaude Code

[sick owl]

Good nyur nyurons

Wait

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

a naga is a

half snake half person

[fast pagoda]

naga toro

half snake half bull half person

1.5

quick maffs

[tender river]

naga is a shader translator and validator written in rust

can be used for

converting between wgsl and glsl and spir-v

export to hll and msl too

also this is relevant to this channel

because

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

[fast pagoda]

who yang

[sage crag]

idot

ying not yin

dum

[fast pagoda]

D:

wing wang

[maiden geyser]

in select devices

[fast pagoda]

llama.cpp-hip recompiling again

devices en masse

[olive sable]

i bought

a soldering iron

and solder

and flux

Idk what i expected for 7 bucks, but all the tutorials had ones with a power dial

[olive sable]

Didnt go too bad

Bridged 28V succesfully

[leaden crest]

smd?

[olive sable]

Usb-c decoy board

[leaden crest]

no I mean the part you soldered

[fast pagoda]

looks like a hazard freight special

[olive sable]

Ye

Its a usb-c decoy board

That i soldered

[leaden crest]

the soldering is so clean

[fast pagoda]

it does look good

[olive sable]

I only showed the one that went well

[fast pagoda]

shhh

[leaden crest]

dude every time I solder smds I end up losing like 5 on the floor

the small ones anyway

then I step on them a few days later

the lego experience all over again

[olive sable]

I girst tested it on the bigger pins, cuz that green thing came losse

the brown shit is flux

flux apparently makes it worse

[leaden crest]

what the heck kinda flux did you buy

[olive sable]

uhm

S39

[leaden crest]

note to self s39 looks like cat food

[olive sable]

[leaden crest]

is it any good other than aesthetics wise

[olive sable]

idk

lets test it

To even activate that voltage selector you need to solder on the other side, i kinda made a solder tower by accident

I should have cropped the image

Ignore the garbage on my floor

i think the main issue with the first solder joint attempt was the solder iron wasnt fully heated yet

[leaden crest]

wait are you sure your iron doesnt have a power dial

I swear every one ive seen has a temperature controller

[olive sable]

its rated for 230C or so

[rough bloom]

most do, even cheap ones, yeah

[leaden crest]

I think bro bought a curling iron instead

[rough bloom]

this one seems to really cheap though

[olive sable]

7 euro ye

15W

[leaden crest]

what is that in freedom units

lemme google

[olive sable]

8 dollars

idk

[leaden crest]

holy frick

on the dot yeah

[olive sable]

the whole list with tin and such was 31.87 bucks

[rough bloom]

could've probably paid 10€ instead for one with temperature control

[olive sable]

with 17 of that being the tin

[olive sable]

nope

mine was 7, they had one for 9 euro that had 30W

but still no dial

besides that nothing i could find

small local store

small-ish

[leaden crest]

I really fw this kit https://www.soldr.pro/

I dont have it myself but it looks really cool

[olive sable]

the clamps would have been handy

[leaden crest]

its like $200 though

[olive sable]

i guess good tools are expensive ye

[leaden crest]

it is essentially a workbench so I suppose its cheaper in the long run

[olive sable]

multimeter shows 20V

so the one to overwrite the 5V standart mode works

but the one on 28V might be bridging with the 20V selector

[gentle haven]

In programming Python is the language I been recommended. Is that a good idea?

[olive sable]

depends

what is the goal?

[rough bloom]

decent first general-purpose programming language
-# assuming you just want to learn and don't have a specific goal in mind, but tbh Python can do most things so it'll probably be fine

[olive sable]

[gentle haven]

Game development

[olive sable]

using an engine?

[leaden crest]

pygame is pretty decent too

[gentle haven]

🙂‍↕️

[olive sable]

i mean, its decent-ish

id jsut go for C# cuz unity

or godot

[gentle haven]

I’m trying to learn programming just for game development

[olive sable]

godot has some other lang but supports C# iirc

[leaden crest]

Ive been trying to do C# for a unity project recently it’s really helpful to have a java background

[rough bloom]

if you already know what engine you're going to use then it probably has some "native" language that would be best to use

like C# for Unity

[olive sable]

c++ for unreal

[gentle haven]

isn’t c++ like really old?

[olive sable]

kinda old, but its still used

[leaden crest]

old but well used just means it’s an industry standard

[rough bloom]

yes but also no
it's still used and regularly updated

[olive sable]

ye

[gentle haven]

So regularly updated. That’s good

[olive sable]

c and c++ are widely used for a bunch of stuff

[gentle haven]

But which is the generally the best for game development?

[leaden crest]

c#

[rough bloom]

C++ is definitely not a language to start with

[leaden crest]

imo

[olive sable]

depends ont he type of game you're making

[gentle haven]

3d

[olive sable]

id start with C#

unity

[rough bloom]

go for either Python or C# probably

[gentle haven]

So C#

[leaden crest]

C# is an object oriented programming language (like java ) so if your game intends to have lots of classes it would be more beneficial

[olive sable]

for 3D python is kinda pointless. ive made an engine in it and its basically jsut accessing a C api via python functions

[rough bloom]

more like you're basically just forced to use C# if you want to use Unity
you don't get a choice

[gentle haven]

Well for the game I’m intending to make for the first one. Is a spinosaurus (you) medieval First person open world rpg

[leaden crest]

that’s a new one on me

[gentle haven]

I had this idea for years

[leaden crest]

open world might be a teensy bit challenging for a first project though

[olive sable]

unity is your best bet to get a decent product while avoiding unreal

[rough bloom]

first game
open-world RPG
how do I say nicely that this is unlikely to work out

[leaden crest]

the worldbuilding aspect is abit overwhelming

[gentle haven]

Funny enough as training and practice for game development/coding I did writing (as in writing stories for years)

[gentle haven]

Ik

[olive sable]

scope big, work small shovel.
to dig big hole need group

[gentle haven]

Guess I should not make it my first game

[olive sable]

start with not open world

[leaden crest]

I would say you can make a smaller project with a similar idea (turn based combat?)

then you can make a second game in the same universe

[gentle haven]

Sure I start with a spinosaurus dating sim since Sam said I should

[olive sable]

sure why not

[leaden crest]

dating sim..?

[olive sable]

i approve

[rough bloom]

[gentle haven]

Serious😭

Fine

I will do that fr

Except probably more dinosaurs

Not just spinosaurus

I will make one named Sam just for a Easter egg

Thank you guys🩵

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

congrats on getting in the dinosaur game

[olive sable]

i mean

i dont mind too much

as long as its PG

[gentle haven]

Yes it will be PG

[leaden crest]

smash or pass the dinosaurs

[gentle haven]

unless you don’t want me to

[olive sable]

[gentle haven]

I make you a female dinosaur pick a species

[olive sable]

i dont care what you do with the other dinosaurs, but i would prefer not to be depicted in a non-PG way

uhm

[gentle haven]

I will obviously make it all very wholesome

[olive sable]

im not very into dinosaurs, lemme see what species there are

[rough bloom]

nugget

[olive sable]

dinosaur nuggets

hmmm

idk what dinosaur fits with me

[gentle haven]

Mmm

[olive sable]

@amber fractal if i were a dinosaur what dinosaur would i be?

[gentle haven]

Something small and petite

[olive sable]

[leaden crest]

velociraptor?

programming posture and everything

[gentle haven]

Pfft

Troodon

[olive sable]

oh

thats in automod

good

[leaden crest]

what were you trying to say

[olive sable]

saying it is kinda like automod evasion

its not anything too bad

at least i dont consider it too bad

[olive sable]

im 6ft

[gentle haven]

So a velociraptor then?

[gentle haven]

I’m 6’3 so still small

[olive sable]

compared to that everything is small

jesus

[gentle haven]

With shoes I’m 6’4 lol (high ah shoes)

[olive sable]

dilophosaurus?

[gentle haven]

Which version

[olive sable]

there are versions?

[gentle haven]

Type JA or type RL

The movie or the real life one

[olive sable]

use your best judgement

idk

[gentle haven]

So the movie one then

Got it

I write that down

I’m serious about this btw

If I do eventually make that game I will send you a free copy lol

[olive sable]

[glad path]

this is programming 💀

[olive sable]

supposedly

[gentle haven]

It is

[rough bloom]

this conversation is about programming

[gentle haven]

It might not seem like it but it is

[rough bloom]

oh ye, you should probably know that https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1336984748882399242 exists

not as active as this channel but you have less of a chance to get buried there

[gentle haven]

A bit late on that😭

[rough bloom]

nah, it's fine, this channel is for technical stuff including game dev too

that thread is mostly for Neuro-related game dev IIRC

[gentle haven]

Just the thread is specifically for game dev

[fresh arch]

Recently, I have been reviewing the basic knowledge of programming and algorithms.

[patent shard]

@high brook you're in the discord, so maybe you saw.. but they said the model is going to be trained from scratch
The mag model I just posted is a retrain of a previous model
So could improve more

[high brook]

The wfl model@patent shard ?

Coz I trained my own

[nocturne olive]

Legendary Wispers spotted again

Such rarity

[high brook]

@nocturne olive I remembered the channel existed and the conversation was somewhat relevant to me

[nocturne olive]

Sily

Very few people like to remember that #programming exists

[minor sail]

It's better for our stress levels to forget #programming is a thing

[maiden geyser]

never ride the #programming bus

[sage crag]

[patent shard]

The model I posted yesterday
They said this

[olive sable]

ok so

the 28V isnt working

cuz they gave me the wrong one

this one's max is 20V

so 100W is the limit

lemme check if that is an issue

should be fine, i think my original number used a wrong number for the lightcrafter 4500

[rough bloom]

I don't think you did

12V 6A seems correct

ying

[olive sable]

hmmm

[sage crag]

based on vibes (i know no welsh)
mwyn, cwtch, rhowch, wmffre

[olive sable]

so that's 80W on the lightcrafter, 5W on the motor, and 25W on the pi

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-white-fox-animal-cute-cute-animals-gif-16664932

[olive sable]

supposedly peak draw is too high, but normal usage should fit within 100W

let me order a 28V one i guess

they gave me the wrong one

oh

no, its user error

i think i can set power limits to the pi in software

so for now this works

just set it to 10W and we're at 80 + 10 + 5

[rough bloom]

DC motor starting current

[olive sable]

lightcrafter wont be using 80W on startup

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

aigth

lets see if this lightcrafter even works

[rough bloom]

first image

red triangle

[olive sable]

Not in focus

The minimum distance is REALLY short

Actual 10cm between the lens and the screen

[gentle haven]

That’s pretty big

[olive sable]

I think i need to rethink the lens system. Those dont seem to beworking correctly

[amber fractal]

This is going to be a very large base for turtle spin jar

[olive sable]

[young plover]

typescript

oh god he's serious

[nocturne olive]

That's gonna be a really fun set of memory leaks

[thick karma]

ANORRL (ANother Old Roblox Revival Lol)

(that's a video of me playing as the user NeuroSama)

[nocturne olive]

Web languages are the worst memory leakers

[thick karma]

it shut down today

[nocturne olive]

Like seriously does he want to use all of his 128GB of RAM all the time?

[craggy reef]

Why is he re-writing it in typescript and how silly of an idea is it to people who know things?

[minor sail]

I'm on-board with Evil for a Rust rewrite if there's going to be a rewrite

[nocturne olive]

It's gonna leak memory like hell, all of his RAM is gonna be in use all the time

[young plover]

I have no idea why he would do that if it's already in C#
The codebase probably is a mess that needs to be rewritten but Typescript will do nothing to fix the reliability.

[craggy reef]

does it still memory leak if you don't f**k it up?

[nocturne olive]

Basically it's a design problem with the runtime rather than a skill issue

[craggy reef]

Is it better or worse or just different?

[nocturne olive]

It's designed for websites
And you know how with websites you can always just refresh and all that
But that's no longer the case when you have something that runs in a backend context
So you end up with memory leaks designed for disposable systems in a high uptime system

[craggy reef]

do you think this attempt will land in the scrap heap?

[nocturne olive]

My guess is he goes trough with it and then next subathon he wonders why he's using 128GB of memory

[idle dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOYZfTXAmQ8 "TypeScript"

What is typescript.

[young plover]

javascript with type annotations

[nocturne olive]

TypeScript is JavaScript with types

[high brook]

Ohhhh audio separation

[idle dune]

Oh

[sage crag]

javascript has type annotations and types

[idle dune]

Isn't Javascript suffeirng though?

[rough bloom]

Why is he re-writing it
chances are it slowly expanded and turned into a huge mess over the past 3 years
in typescript
good general-purpose language, supports just about everything that's not super compute heavy
and how silly of an idea is it
depends a lot on the exact problems he wants to solve with it, but it's probably fine
the JS/TS hate is mostly a meme

[sage crag]

typescript has strict typing

[idle dune]

Or is Java the bad one

[sage crag]

and enums

[opaque sigil]

typescript makes javascript somewhat usable

[sage crag]

different enums**

[young plover]

except when you need to cast an untyped object from JSON or plain javascript at runtime and have no way to verify what it actually is

[opaque sigil]

runtime checks exist

obviously they come with the overhead

zod and the other 500 libraries for this

[idle dune]

Okay, Im not a programmer, I don't really know what i am alkign aobut. But I thought LLMs worked off python?