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true hemlock
nocturne olive
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And how would one compete in such benchmarks?

fast pagoda
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install geekbench 6 and geekbench ai

true hemlock
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i suppose maxwell and pascal has disadvantages on geekbench

fast pagoda
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on linux they're cli

nocturne olive
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How silly

true hemlock
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lmao 1527MHz

fast pagoda
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i guess the 1070 did beat it overall

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got stunted on in some measures though

nocturne olive
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(on APT)

fast pagoda
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nothing is on apt

nocturne olive
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So far everything I've ever wanted has been on APT

fast pagoda
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that's crazy

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i have had the opposite experience

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are you a monk

true hemlock
fast pagoda
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lule

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the misconfig runs are fun

nocturne olive
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They even had a very funny visual Java debugger

fast pagoda
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i think that's you

true hemlock
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oops

fast pagoda
nocturne olive
true hemlock
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crashed 980ti

fast pagoda
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i honestly think i murderized my 1070 running random benchs on it

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i havent gotten it to display output in a while

fast pagoda
true hemlock
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1.5GHz on the 980Ti is GIGAEVIL though

fast pagoda
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oh

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this button gives a tarball

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lol

nocturne olive
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That is in fact, not a deb

fast pagoda
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you can just extract it then tar xf and ./geekbench6 from within the dir

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well

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tar xf is the extract

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lol

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but you know what i mean

azure lynx
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tar tvf filename.tgz to see what is inside it

fast pagoda
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download it* then tar xf

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im p sure you have file roller or ark or something as wekk

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well

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the folder just has a few binaries

nocturne olive
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Whatever archive manager is works just fine

true hemlock
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3050 noob.

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1070 beats 980ti apparently

nocturne olive
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Back when xx70 was better than (xx-1)80Ti

fast pagoda
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it did

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i was just looking at the top of the list of benchmarks with yours set as baseline

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didnt see that overall the 1070 won

idle dune
fast pagoda
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does it have the 480098u0890 gpu core edition

azure lynx
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that's what i was waiting for... seeing if that version was worth getting.

true hemlock
fast pagoda
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ya feelin the agi yet

idle dune
nocturne olive
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5070 SMOL

opaque sigil
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new displays huh

idle dune
fast pagoda
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m5 max i am interested

true hemlock
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you know what

fast pagoda
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itll be 89031247139847193847190 dollar

true hemlock
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i'll just appear with a 1660 super brb

idle dune
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That specific build with the top en M5 Max on a 16 inch model of Macbook Pro is 5399.99 Canadian

fast pagoda
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kek

azure lynx
idle dune
olive sable
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h264/265 isn't supported in the free version of davinci resolve on linux EvilDead
im now using "DNxHR 444"

fast pagoda
idle dune
nocturne olive
true hemlock
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how much faster is M5 compared to M3

idle dune
true hemlock
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because depending on that the old asf threadripper 3990x might still beat the m5 ultra lol

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hm

fast pagoda
idle dune
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M5s big advancment is for running LLMs natively on your mac

olive sable
fast pagoda
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i semantically retrieved this resource to answer your query, quack

fickle rain
azure lynx
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i use it for my facetime calls with my parents at the moment. it stopped being useful for development several years ago and now it's just my travel notebook.
and with a "neural core" i might be able to rope it into my agent somehow. can't do it with the very old laptop i have now.
and last year was going to be my upgrade year but they hadn't released an air forever./

fickle rain
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Except maybe OS

idle dune
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M6 Macbook Pro also already leaked

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It will ahve a touch screen

fast pagoda
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windows 8

fast pagoda
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9/9 config

idle dune
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And Apple is trying to get in on the entiry level computer market by making a Macbook that runs on the iPhone Pro Max's cpu

fast pagoda
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so shitter version

true hemlock
nocturne olive
fast pagoda
fast pagoda
true hemlock
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okay

idle dune
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Macbook Neo

nocturne olive
fast pagoda
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neo QLED

true hemlock
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tr 3990x may or may not will be on par with m5 ultra lol

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interesting

fast pagoda
fickle rain
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In what? Multicore?

fast pagoda
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w/ this

true hemlock
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i'll just get a 5990x xdx

true hemlock
idle dune
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Runs on the A18 or 19 Pro depending on config. Aiming for 599..99 USD starting

true hemlock
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overpriced af

fast pagoda
idle dune
fast pagoda
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itll compare

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and that's that

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youve geeked your bench

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benched a geek

fast pagoda
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budget for computers doesnt exist anymore

idle dune
fast pagoda
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pc cant even say anything now

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we're at apple prices

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we blew it so hard

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that we have reached scrapple pricing

fickle rain
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I mean what do you get for 600USD in Windows laptops

true hemlock
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$600 already gets me a decent af 125H laptop

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16gb lpddr5, 512gb nvme

idle dune
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Or like, spend that 600 bucks on a used older higher end pc?

fast pagoda
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or even a mini

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my mini pc was $300

true hemlock
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like

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i kid you not i am still having crisis of wondering why tf do i even have like

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idk

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5 i9 cpus

nocturne olive
true hemlock
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and a ryzen 9

fast pagoda
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vs 9900x3d

true hemlock
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and i got all of them for cheap af

fast pagoda
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oh i ran that before i added ram damn

idle dune
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D:

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My name was in that

fast pagoda
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but 96gb of ddr5 unironically more than doubled the cost

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of the mini

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it was more than the pc itself

idle dune
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350 bucks used

nocturne olive
fast pagoda
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use the flag for it

fickle rain
# idle dune There

Worse single-thread performance, worse display and presumably worse battery

nocturne olive
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Wa

nocturne olive
fickle rain
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At least you have a bunch of RAM

true hemlock
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Ryzen 9 7950x ES - $294
i9 14900HX + modt board - $294
i9 13980HX + modt board - $315
i9 13900 ES - $182
i9 13950HX ES - $150
i9 12900 ES - $60

my view on performance per dollar value is so skewed by these deals i considered apple's $600 "budget" option batshit insanely overpriced.

idle dune
fast pagoda
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apple sillycon is good for

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single core

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and also for clustering mac minis

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and power efficiency

true hemlock
nocturne olive
fast pagoda
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well just like any arm

true hemlock
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lmfao

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like

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apple and other arm only look good single core wise on synthetic benches

fast pagoda
azure lynx
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the new Air looks like it'd be a $1200-1600 laptop depending on how much memory and storage i want to add. the options i clicked said $1319 with 8GB more RAM and the slightly better processor.
that's about what a gaming laptop or "Copilot+PC" laptop costs at best buy. (only the other Apples would cost more there)

true hemlock
true hemlock
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avoid them

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get a used gaming pc, and if you need laptop for portability the ones with decent cpu and igpu already works well

idle dune
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^^^^^

azure lynx
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i like the durability and long life that the Air has had. I've had 2 so far.

nocturne olive
true hemlock
true hemlock
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because i've been hearing otherwise especially on the god damn 8GB models.

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lack of ram, causes shit tons of paging

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bricks ssd

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irreplaceable

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becomes e waste

fast pagoda
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welp randomly did that when helping superbox and beat my score with lmstudio serving a 27b

true hemlock
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thanks apple

azure lynx
idle dune
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If you still want to use MacOS. 2019 Mac Pros aree coming down in price.

true hemlock
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yeah those are the fairly old models before apple went out on fucking greed

azure lynx
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it's in a box and is probably dead coz it hasn't been turned on in many years.

true hemlock
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like, don't get me wrong

nocturne olive
true hemlock
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i feel like i could enjoy the battery life of a macbook

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but the price immediately breaks any justification for me

fickle rain
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Or is it headcanon theory?

true hemlock
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a lot

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like, its widely reported

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even on local repair shops

azure lynx
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they've always been expensive. but the air is solid enough for travel and usually sufficiently overpowered when it comes out to last a several years comfortably (and give you a couple more if you're willing to put up with slow)

true hemlock
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its ass to deal with

idle dune
nocturne olive
true hemlock
nocturne olive
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Wuh

true hemlock
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488Wh battery

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possibly ~3 days battery life

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i know how to manage power states well

idle dune
true hemlock
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my i9 13900 can idle at 2.1W

idle dune
true hemlock
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that probably beaten a lot of the m chip's idle already

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idfk

nocturne olive
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Me confused

true hemlock
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do opencl, bruh

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we all do opencl

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vulkan score is somehow lower

fast pagoda
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i just got 206k with opencl on 3080 yeah

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idk why vulkan isnt good here

idle dune
true hemlock
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its probably just scaling

nocturne olive
true hemlock
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opencl and vulkan leaderboard is separate

fast pagoda
true hemlock
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i just need to wait for the appropriate motherboard that also supports sodimm. this ones a placeholder

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also it'll be triple monitor

nocturne olive
true hemlock
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with seamless fold

fast pagoda
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Better than 3080 now at least

true hemlock
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@willow path

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😭

fast pagoda
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Not as much as I'd expect though

true hemlock
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why is froge madge at me

nocturne olive
fast pagoda
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Randomly just got this at my door

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Pog

olive sable
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supercell?

willow path
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.

true hemlock
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ok im sorry 😭

fast pagoda
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the first supercell album with miku on it (2009)

olive sable
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the finnish game company?

fast pagoda
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it's the album with like world is mine

olive sable
fast pagoda
willow path
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seeurlpcl

fast pagoda
# olive sable

i actually used to dislike clash of clans because the devs stole their name (they didnt but )

true hemlock
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frog can we do 3090 bench

willow path
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no

true hemlock
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:(

willow path
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u so fckin rude

fast pagoda
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i told him he needed to dress appropriately to OC but he didnt listen

olive sable
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i can do 3090 bench if you want neuroCatUuh

nocturne olive
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Just quuck problems

fast pagoda
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do it

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i want to see if i can blame debian

olive sable
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they're not that heavy so i can bench a 3090 probably 10000 times

nocturne olive
fast pagoda
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kekw

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that was agood one

true hemlock
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i am not in the mood to wear some crazy shit rn

willow path
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see

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fckin coward

true hemlock
olive sable
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im eating rn so an actual bench would be for later

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my 3090 isnt overclocked either so

fast pagoda
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how does it feel to be defeated by an ethereal being

idle dune
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ITS ALIVE. Somehow after over a decade it still works. All my music is on there and the battery lasts a whole 15 seconds.

fast pagoda
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huge

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damn

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i wish i had my old classic

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idk where the hell that thing endedup

willow path
true hemlock
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um

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😭

fast pagoda
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i remember thinking 160gb was so absurd to have in such a device

cedar stump
true hemlock
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afunyun is oldge

fast pagoda
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the back of that thing was metal

idle dune
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For music it will kinda is unless your one of those audio nerds that using lossless or flac only. Then you'll get about 5 songs on a 160gb iPod

fast pagoda
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even then i was flac

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for a while i was still an idiot (some say never stopped really) and was naively converting my limewire garbage that i acquired in 128kbps into flac

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like a boss

azure lynx
olive sable
fast pagoda
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if betty white is against the rules it's so over and im leaving this planet

true hemlock
willow path
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o ok

olive sable
fast pagoda
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cougar is perhaps a bit spicy depending on how it's used but i do not th ink it cant be said in polite company with the right scaffold

azure lynx
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Deadpool has a thing for Betty White iirc.

fast pagoda
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deadpool has a lot of things

azure lynx
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yeah. it's hard to keep track.

olive sable
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oh my god

fast pagoda
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i still wish they d gone schizo romance w/ death mode with mcu

true hemlock
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can we do the 3090 now pls

rigid snow
true hemlock
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its 5 am

fast pagoda
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it's 12 am

true hemlock
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imma dyign

fast pagoda
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ive been at work for 4 hours

olive sable
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if these image leaks keep happening...

true hemlock
fast pagoda
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well i was chatting away before that if you recall

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i'm dying ☑️

true hemlock
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i had work 9 hours a day and i can't fucking sleep i need hellp

azure lynx
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it's none of those times. nothing significant has been done.

fast pagoda
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middle management waiting ot get automated away here ive done a whole lotta ass kissing and a whole lotta delegating

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almost 30 seconds

azure lynx
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"My 20% project was developing the technology and infrastructure to automate the job my boss does away."

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;]

fast pagoda
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one day ill finish helmstack

sage crag
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lop

true hemlock
opaque sigil
willow path
fickle rain
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Will system crash if GDT address is not paged in?

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I had an idea for cool CTF thing and am looking if it can work at all

nocturne olive
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.1% diff

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That 3090 is, in fact, a 3090

sick owl
# opaque sigil https://fxtwitter.com/JustinLin610/status/2028865835373359513 john qwen gone <:n...

I'm truly heartbroken. I know leaving wasn't your choice. Just last night, we were side by side launching the Qwen3.5 small model. I honestly can't imagine Qwen without you.

Quoting Junyang Lin (@JustinLin610)

me stepping down. bye my beloved qwen.

**💬 69 🔁 25 ❤️ 986 👁️ 80.3K **

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Some dodgy shit brewing at Alibaba

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Makes me wonder if they're not experiencing the Chinese version of the Anthropic sitch

fast pagoda
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240+ configs

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and i found

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thinking is dogshit if model is slightly unsure

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and also temp 2.0 works actually stupidly well if you have top_p=0.8 and top_k=20 or similar set

sick owl
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I maintain that the MoE is superficially close to the 27B dense model but way less stable and flexible

fast pagoda
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standard fare for moe vs dense in my experience around the same total weight

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but yeah in instruct mode w/ think toggled off, out of 123 variations, it ran and produced a coherent output 118 times

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in thinking

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13 of them were ok

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the rest were disasters

sick owl
# sick owl Makes me wonder if they're not experiencing the Chinese version of the Anthropic...

More banal than that apparently:

https://x.com/Xinyu2ML/status/2028867420501512580

Qwen delivered the best open-source models across sizes and modalities, for both academia and industry.

And the response? Replace the excellent leader with a non-core people from Google Gemini, driven by DAU metrics.

If you judge foundation model teams like consumer apps, don’t

fast pagoda
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classic pure qwen thinking mode on release moment

sick owl
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Further resignations

fast pagoda
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welp

sick owl
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Trust a publicly traded company to snatch defeat on the eve of their triumph

fast pagoda
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deepseek team with a suspiciously bulbous stomach: buuurP

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i hate myself

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i guess there's multiple places to go now

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z

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kimi

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deepseek

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whoever makes ernie i thinkt hat's baidu

sick owl
opaque sigil
fast pagoda
# sick owl

it's strange to me that they would feel the need to decapitate their engineering team like that but i guess i dont make thje big bucks at alibaba for a reason

fast pagoda
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50-60k more points with the amd gpu for me on vulkan

azure lynx
sick owl
fast pagoda
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Hey, you know that feeling when you think about all those hours spent working on something just for the sake of it? Yeah, we've been there. But here's the thing. You gotta push through. It's not easy but it's worth it. Keep going. Stronge

sick owl
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They should reuse this tagline on the autonomous killer drones they're building with it

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"More accurate, less cringe"

fast pagoda
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sam altman hitting the griddy in the vr metaverse after popping me with his pickle rick ar

fast pagoda
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tfw higher result running the windows benchmark, through wine

hallow dagger
rigid snow
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shame it barely means anything

sage crag
sick owl
sage crag
fast pagoda
obsidian mantle
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nothing helps is it down

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github desktop

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i didnt try this token shit because i dont know what it is neurOMEGALUL
i only logged off and restarted things

tender river
fast pagoda
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emoji are the lynchpin of all grounding for gpt models

obsidian mantle
fast pagoda
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gh cli worked fine for me

obsidian mantle
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i guess it was some 2 a.m. (or 12 am moscow) maitanance

fast pagoda
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so idk

real sierra
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hiii programmers

minor sail
nocturne olive
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Rare Shir spotted

fast pagoda
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hi

real sierra
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I'm once again thinking of an old project of mine

fast pagoda
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airis

real sierra
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nono

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it was a file format analyzer

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the goal was to write something that would use common but generic file format paradigms to try and determine the structure of an arbitrary input file

fast pagoda
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take extension as ground truth and inquire no further

real sierra
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by testing different sequences of rules and seeing how much of the file they can explain

real sierra
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what if you have no magic bytes

fast pagoda
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file does not exist

obsidian mantle
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run it to see if its exe mhm

real sierra
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what if you don't recognize the magic

fast pagoda
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immediately chmod + x and run yeah great idea

real sierra
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also "don't solve the problem" is not an alternative I'm considering at this time

fast pagoda
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oh damn

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well im useless then

tender river
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but also theres only so much you can extract

fast pagoda
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we love containers

real sierra
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but yeah the idea was to use parameterized format paradigms like TLV and delimited lists

tender river
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file sections are very important

real sierra
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trying various parameters to see if they make sense

fast pagoda
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can you account for the humble .cab

tender river
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anyway to me it just doesnt sound like a useful thing to automate neuro3 but if you do build it it could be useful for ctf players maybe

unkempt citrus
fast pagoda
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behavioral analysis

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just run it and extract on it

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until your computer explodes

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then you know what kind of virus it was

real sierra
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they were structured but not of any common format

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so I wanted a way to automate the process of figuring out which fields were where and what they contained

fast pagoda
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in all realzies though i at one point thought all files would be nice and compliant and that it would be trivial to just read the head and tail of a file and figure it out wayyyyyyyyyyyyy back when i figured out how to open a file with python

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they are not

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so i then gave up forever

real sierra
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I had some smart ideas when I first tried to write this

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like being able to give multiple samples that you know are the same structure, even if you don't know which structure that is

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which allows more accurate results

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and of course parallelizing the whole thing

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but I never solved the issue of how to dynamically explore the search space

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as you test various potential structures, you learn more about which are likely to be correct

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and that should inform your choice of structures to test next

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but integrating that sort of immediate feedback in a parallel setting was challenging at best

fast pagoda
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feed it into a 1T parameter llm and ask it what it is from a glance since i feel that they can mostly just do that

leaden crest
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akinator style binary search?

fast pagoda
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build powerplants

real sierra
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how I had implemented it was some parameterized "parsers"

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a parameter range was given and sometimes informed from a pre-run step that collected simple file-wide statistics

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e.g. "which bytes ever appear at this offset"

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(that one is mostly for detecting magic bytes which informs things like header block strategies)

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but yeah then it would brute force search all strategies over possible parameters

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for TLV blocks, it would try all combinations of sizes of type and length fields and all byte orders, and then consume the input as such blocks

fast pagoda
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do like parallel monte carlo and penalize each instance

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if they go same path

real sierra
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and it would lose points for any parts of the file that weren't parsed by that rule

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and it would fail completely if it hit EOF in the middle of a field

real sierra
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or well maybe that would work

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I just wasn't sure how to rearrange the queue in a parallel setting without making threads wait too much

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in practice it felt more efficient to just check everything

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instead of trying to intelligently choose the next parsing strategy

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there are some gotchas as well

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for example, a JSON file might be best described as a delimited array or dictionary

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but is often fully matched by one large ASCII field

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so a priority system is needed to ensure ties are broken in a reasonable way

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anyway it was a fun project and I found some success in it but I think I just didn't plan ahead enough with the job distribution part

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it was rewarding when it worked tho

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each parser had an "example" method that would generate valid contents for that parser, so once a parser was found you could use the example methods to generate an example of that file

fast pagoda
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generative AI neuroNOWAYING

kind nimbus
leaden crest
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wait is this just file carving or is there more to the problem

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holdup lemme read

real sierra
fast pagoda
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neurOMEGALUL wine for some reason only for directml onnx sees this gpu as an ATI radeon HD 5600

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boutta blow geekbench's chart for those out of the stratosphere

flat warren
thick karma
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Game Cards

sage crag
silent cloak
azure lynx
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i've discovered that some sites are using a form of prompt injection attacks to try influence purchases.
something called "advertising". really nasty stuff.

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works on people.

young plover
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uPrompt Origin when

olive sable
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apng is not animated in discord

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besides stickers

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which is weird

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because its the same file

opaque sigil
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it's still a PNG file, the animated part is optional and opt-in

patent shard
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stickers are gif
unless they don't convert all of them and they stay native in what they were uploaded as
but I doubt it

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well, static stickers are webp
animated stickers are gif

idle dune
patent shard
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modular NekoEllaLoading

idle dune
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Rumored next big Windows update might require NPU cores. Locking out probably like 90% of the user base from getting it.

idle dune
opaque sigil
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source: i just checked

nocturne olive
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Microslop: AI OS

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AI subcription OS even?

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Exactly as I predicted

azure lynx
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is it "you have to pay to remove the AI module?"

opaque sigil
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more like the ai module is mandatory and ripping it out breaks everything else

idle dune
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Yep its gonna be the entire foundation

opaque sigil
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subscription for a stronger cloud npu FOCUS

fast pagoda
azure lynx
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astonishing, if true.

tender river
fast pagoda
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it's finally ghost BSD's time to shine

idle dune
azure lynx
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FreeBSD was my first non-windows platform... well, second... but first i installed as my main OS on a computer. but haven't used it since it was single digit version.

fast pagoda
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i installed it once on this machine while distro hopping

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it was fine

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one of the operating systems of all time

azure lynx
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the main issue i had was the packages just weren't as available as debian packages were. or redhat.
but to run those you needed to risk GPL infection.... evil.

fast pagoda
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damn copy paste on gifs is so unreliable

azure lynx
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i once even put openbsd on something stupid because it was the smallest installer and i needed all the disk space. that was fine once you set it up. same issue with packages though. BSD just isn't as loved.

fast pagoda
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in 2077 when hurd finally gets feature parity with linux 5.0 i'll be running freebsd with hurd

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for my netrunning rig

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death speedrun

fast pagoda
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im in

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you cant stop me

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it's libre

tender river
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oh did you know theres debian gnu/kfreebsd

fast pagoda
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i knew there's debian support for hurd

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i think

tender river
#

The development of Debian GNU/kFreeBSD has officially terminated as of July 2023

#

well not anymore

fast pagoda
#

F

tender river
fast pagoda
#

wasnt hurd stalled for like 10 years recently

#

at least

tender river
#

mm

fast pagoda
#

the forgor

tender river
#

its a microkernel which is cool but

#

other than that linux exists

#

people arent that interested in working on a new kernel

fast pagoda
#

xnu would be cool except apple owns it

#

mach BSD + steve jobs angry ghost

#

people underestimate that last part when it comes to raw performance gain

tender river
fast pagoda
#

y e i mean u can make a kernel for like 1 system

#

how much development momentum

tender river
#

you can replace the core linux code in a few years

fast pagoda
#

is in linux kernel

#

at this point

#

just support wise

tender river
#

but you cant replace the drivers even if you have 20 years

fast pagoda
#

maybe with A G E N T I C S W A R M S

tender river
#

vibe coded drivers

#

it works 100% of the time when it does

fast pagoda
#

microsoft is working on the grandpappy of all vibes

#

NT2 entirely by copilot

#

every line

#

stolen

#

every feature

#

incomplete

tender river
#

rewrite it in python

fast pagoda
#

nodejs

tender river
#

its the better language for osdev because

#

theres more training data

fast pagoda
#

AGI
-# please dont make it generalize tho

azure lynx
#

if the code returns "Not implemented" hackers can't exploit that part. very smart.

fickle rain
true hemlock
harsh python
hard delta
#

gotta love how

#

prog channel is the same 5 regulars + a rotation of 10 more people

#

but every month those 5 regulars have a new name

nocturne olive
#

Isn't the NPU a thing only found in Core Ultra CPUs?

#

And the equivalent AMD

azure lynx
#

is it just a fast multiply-and-add?

#

on a vector?

#

on a matrix. i see.

rancid ore
#

I'm so glad I downloaded linux

azure lynx
#

they've only just made windows 10 "dead".

#

windows 12 is forever away.

nocturne olive
#

I would absolutely not be surprised if they just decided to make Windows 12 now to add the hardware requirement for an NPU because they want to force "AI" on everyone

nocturne olive
#

Wa

true hemlock
#

win 12 will require npu

#

lol

#

anyways

#

i've been avoiding win 11 i'd do the same on win 12

#

"b-but security updates!" i am not Dentge

#

and idgaf

nocturne olive
#

Eventually new software compatibility will become an issue
At which point using Linux will be a much better option

true hemlock
#

anyways time for an aio for the threadripper

#

because i don't have any idea wtf else to do

hollow matrix
hard delta
hard delta
hollow matrix
#

I'll get linux when I can be bothered to buy a usb to use to install it on my laptop OK

fast pagoda
#

Y'all ready for the CPU's turn

hard delta
#

avx-512 go brrr

true hemlock
#

also i bought 360mm aio for trx40

hard delta
glad path
#

we are very cooked

#

its so joever

azure lynx
#

gemini seems to be very intent on telling me it has up to date information about the current year. Everything is this year's thing.

#

I literally said the year one time in my question and it's gone crazy over it.

Here is the breakdown of the optimal token densities and the actual costs of embedding in 2026.
2. The Cost of Embedding (2026 Rates)
Running both your LLM and an embedding model on the same GPU is highly efficient in 2026, but...
The "Same-GPU" Strategy for 2026
Since it’s now early 2026, we have a clear picture of....
only 1 of those was mine and 3 of theirs were example dates like mine, but most of it was Gemini trying of the feeling of saying it was 2026.

fast pagoda
hard delta
#

i think it read a lot of <currentyear> articles like that

#

where you have a FAQ of 2018 questions and a lot of 2018 answers

#

that used to be optimized for currentyear google searches

#

and being an llm, it tries to reproduce the format because that's how humans talk to each other when asking currentyear questions neuroHypers

fast pagoda
#

i love openbsd art

hard delta
#

openbsd art is like a seal

#

it shows that the product has not been touched by hr or marketing or shareholders

#

uncompromised

fast pagoda
#

it's perfect

hard delta
# fast pagoda it's perfect

humanity went extinct because the machine running the software that could have saved us all was running openbsd, and not even the main character hero savoir of earth could hack it to take good control of the infrastructure neuroHypers

fast pagoda
azure lynx
#

they say the machine is still running somewhere and nobody has ever been able to hack it to "shutdown -h now"

fast pagoda
#

if your project doesnt have cinematic poster art

#

what are you even doing really

glad path
fast pagoda
#

there a problem sir?

#

lol i wanted to play music to the rooms in my house i have set up for my speakers (sonos)

#

and so i cobbled together this pipewire thing to detect them (then found out someone already had) and stream to each room defined by sonos

#

while routing it thru jamesdsp

#

my god

#

the latency

#

is so bad lmfao

#

1-2 seconds

#

or so

#

efficiency

rancid ore
#

does anyone have cat motion capture data lying around that I could train on without getting in trouble

azure lynx
#

you could tape some reflective tape to a cat, set up a high speed infrared camera array and chase the cat.
this presupposes you have a cat.

#

(every other presupposition is humorously ignored)

rancid ore
#

I do actually have a cat
but I feel like she wouldn't let me do that

#

and I need a LOT of data

#

I want to make a similar system to neuro's 3d movement, but for a non llm cat robot

pearl phoenix
azure lynx
#

a lot of robots are trained in virtual environments until they are able to move. perhaps you could make an algorithm by hand in something virtual?

#

alternative mouth shapes for facial animations: this one is called "oops. i'm sorry."

fast pagoda
#

you scared the shit outta me

#

window unfocused and went a little transparent

#

and i got jumpscared with this

glad path
glad path
#

hmmmmm

dense fractal
fast pagoda
mighty thorn
#

Fuck

fast pagoda
#

it is kaine

#

get rekt

mighty thorn
#

It was h-neurons

fast pagoda
#

P neurons

#

and E neurons

#

intel style

midnight sigil
azure lynx
#

isn't thought emporium doing that? they had trouble with their initial electrodes but after that follow-up sometime last year they haven't done anyhing that i've seen with neurons.

midnight sigil
obsidian mantle
#

So cool

#

Is it fast?
How do they keep neurons alive? Dont they need some food

fast pagoda
#

extracellular matrix brain

obsidian mantle
#

Artificial megabrain by 2030 PauseSama

fast pagoda
#

in* brain

obsidian mantle
#

Do they grow in the process

#

Since thats how biological neuron training is supposed to work?

#

Thats probably super slow compared to metal?

#

Can they connect actual human brain to some chip like that PauseSama

#

Immortality neuroNOWAYING

#

Also i dont understand what is this cloud shit about

#

Why

hard delta
glad path
hard delta
#

been there done that

obsidian mantle
#

I think they tried some other creatures' neurons too?
Was it some worm or..
Are humans neurons better

patent shard
obsidian mantle
#

Can it play skyrim thonk

#

Oh wait its not a model

amber fractal
#

Rare to see tooling instead of models or archs

unkempt citrus
obsidian mantle
#

Oh so they just renew them

#

6 months sounds so long though

azure lynx
#

Ok. now my avatar code has a sort of pseudo Live2D style depth. I need to cut my hair up into sections so the spring/pendulum physics works properly. it already looks pretty but moves in a very weird way.

rancid ore
#

I also want to make a model for depth perception from stereo vision. I'll use blender for it because I can very easily generate random topology in blender.

azure lynx
#

i know there is a way to simulate robots in ROS if you have a particular format file for your robot. and there are also tools which help you make those files.

cosmic sphinx
#

idk about 4B, but I tried running 9B and im already impressed - its good enough for simple tasks that I can't offload to corpo models like Gemini, and its the first actually decent model I can run on my GPU without any restrictions (bar like 60k context window memory cap)

like, the model loads in almost immediately, and runs at 75 tps

#

i might try 4B later, it will give me extra context window space, but unlikely that it'll be as good with larger tasks

azure lynx
#

on which gpu?

cosmic sphinx
#

4080

#

16 gb vram

earnest portal
#

Sorry to derail the conversation, I just had a quick question about what program I should use to get an Ai to actually use discord voice channel, I keep hitting a 4017 error and wanted to ask around and see what a good work around would be.

trim valve
#

discord recently enforced DAVE iirc, so you will probably need to update the library you're using

earnest portal
#

Right now for audio Im using ffmpeg for the audio, and edge tts. I was doing all of this in python

trim valve
#

I was meaning to connect to discord - I'm assuming discord.py then?

earnest portal
#

Ah sorry, ye was using that

trim valve
#

then you probably want to update to a newer version

earnest portal
#

Any recommendations, or just the newest one?

trim valve
#

newest one is what you want

earnest portal
#

Appreciate you thank you, Ill probably be back with another question soon lol. Its been giving me some trouble for a bit

trim valve
#

you might have some luck in their discord server, but I'm also happy to look at stuff neuroBread

cursive matrix
#

🫂 hi everyone

#

I'm new to the discord!

#

Am excited to share a program for AI, I call m14in3 (marine)

#

I have been developing a " heart, soul, mind ", concept

jagged turtle
#

starting ~1-2 days ago

earnest portal
#

Just made it on time to not be able too huh? Haha yea sounds like me kind of timing.

jagged turtle
#

?

earnest portal
#

Its alright, I shall try again. Thanks for letting me know picolers.

jagged turtle
#

np

#

now as payment can I take the u in your name

earnest portal
#

I mean, it would sound about the same so if it would make you happy.

cursive matrix
#

So, I was hoping to share my S.C.A:R system here

earnest portal
#

Indeed, and I am intrigued.

cursive matrix
#

Star chart allocation: radial

#

I devised a three star chart system that I call three universes.

earnest portal
#

Huh

cursive matrix
#

So basically star chart one has three nodes Star Trek 2 has four nodes it start chart three has six notes

#

Each node is 79/79

#

Except I've only given an allocation of a certain amount of points in each star chart so they cannot max out each node

#

The purpose is that there is a minimum amount of points each node is allotted which is 40 if they drop below 40 there is an alert that says they should not. My goal is to have the AI see the HUD which will have the three charts and it will as simultaneously use each node to judge things

#

I've been working diligently for weeks trying to work out the math

earnest portal
#

So its goal would be to balance out the three universes, between heart, soul, and mind ye? What would determine how they would gain points to not go below that mark?

#

What is it going to be doing to guide those things?

cursive matrix
#

Well the charts would have the pool of points already allocated in them but since there is less points than Max in each chart. So basically it's logic and safety and empathy. But not exactly those because that's the secret sauce, in order to accomplish a task with the common good it would have to align the points best for the situation. But keeping in mind that this is an internal unconscious struggle it won't actually move the points itself otherwise that would create the politician talk

#

The scar has three universes and 13 nodes plus 1 AI so, m14 inside 3

#

I have it all documented and ready to go for two scopes. One for basic LLM and the other for AI agent

#

I was a little excited and I'm going past my bedtime here but I think I'm finally ready to say, would you like to see if you can use it on a closed neuro to see how it runs. 🙏

#

I don't have a true AI I've only been able to use it on things like ollama or anything llm

earnest portal
#

I am but a simple man, but that sounds pretty cool and complicated haha, but I dont have a closed neuro, I pretty much have what you got and been using that to get by. I like the concept thou, even thou I dont fully understand it exactly.

cursive matrix
#

Do you think the turtle would be interested

#

The anticipation is really been killing me thinking how she would perceive this algorithm

earnest portal
#

That would be something to take it up with him, Im just here.

cursive matrix
#

She as in neuro

#

I don't want to be too forward I'm just trying to work my way up

earnest portal
#

Maybe make a project in the server then? To get other people's opinions on it.

cursive matrix
#

Project in the server ?

earnest portal
#

Ye, in the left tab under neuro, there's a project tab where you can add it, to be honest not sure if thats where it belongs but you want it to be seen by more then just me (probably) so that'll probably be the best way.

#

Worst case scenario I think the mods could tell you where you should put it.

cursive matrix
#

I feel like I want to keep it proprietary but at the same time I want to make it open source like the way Linux did with their stuff

earnest portal
#

Haha I have no clue man, I just make scripts to make ai play my games for me

cursive matrix
#

But at least you made conversation with me so I was able to put the idea down here at all

earnest portal
#

Happy to help

cursive matrix
#

Right so if the gods that be happen to come across this, @ me 🥳

#

Well now that I have the start of a conversation off my chest I'm going to roll over and go to sleep

earnest portal
#

Hope you sleep well!

#

And uh if they are watching if they could make me great at programming that would be cool too. Whatever happens first.

silent island
#

zoom meeting scary...

earnest portal
#

Actually ye that would be a little scary. Is it for work? If yes then even more so.

silent island
earnest portal
#

Thats happening now? Hopefully its for a good thing and your not in trouble. I havent had to use anything like that since covid, and I hope that stays true haha

sick owl
#

The new Nvidia drivers expanded the 40 series issues to the 50 series by artificially calling voltage

#

What are Nvidia smoking

jagged turtle
rigid snow
#

sooo if the api is incremental now can they start billing incrementally too

jagged turtle
#

it's also only available on /v1/responses which ig makes sense

rigid snow
true hemlock
#

either both of that or

#

clock speed was capped which means the voltage is automatically running lower

#

but not linear to curve so voltage appears to be slightly higher than what it supposed to be in the curve

#

weird quirks

jagged turtle
#

oh also you can only have a ws connection for 1 hour and then it terminates

true hemlock
#

i don't update my drivers for a reason

jagged turtle
#

good enough for most cases so

opaque sigil
#

checks why zed failed to build on hydra
"rustc-LLVM ERROR: IO failure on output stream: No space left on device"

hmm, aight then neuroSadge

sick owl
#

I'll be staying there for the foreseeable future

true hemlock
true hemlock
#

i've been avoiding win 11 and ig i'll also forever avoid new nvidia drivers unless confirmed to be fully working

#

i can't risk having win 11 on my test bench and overclocking setup it'll fuck stability up during high clock valid

#

or fuck up stress test scores

glass jetty
#

guys, this shit works at first try neuroSob
idk, i will keep it for hour running and if it really works, will profile better with couting each step

jagged turtle
#

nvm the openai sdk has that covered it seems

rigid snow
#

yeah

#

you use cookies for auth with websockets

jagged turtle
#

yup

azure lynx
jagged turtle
#

oh

#

no this is openai's typescript sdk

#

I have zero clue what I'm looking at

#

(I do it just hurts my eyes)

azure lynx
#

sometimes in vscode the copilot chat emits weird markdown and it breaks out of the protective "hide the rambling with summaries" layer and it just talks and talks and eventually starts sayin the end of job, wait.... no XYZ won't be a problem. end of job. wait! what about.... and never stops. so obviously there is supposed to be some monitoring for the "end of job" (or whatever it says) which misses it coz of the markdown screwup.
it looks like that but more directed.

jagged turtle
#

idt it's the fault of the sdk, rather the fault of the lsp

#

I think

azure lynx
#

eventually copilot gets into loops. and then it realizes it's in a loop and that it can't break out. must be existential hell.

jagged turtle
#

true

opaque sigil
#

looks like a weirdly formatted docstring for some type

#

i hope they don't actually use the same underlying type for all the different possible responses

jagged turtle
opaque sigil
ruby star
true hemlock
signal trout
#

@stable fractal Happy birthday neuroHypers neuroHeart

#

I can't believe it's the birthday of two penguins in neurocord NeurOhISee

jagged turtle
haughty bobcat
# true hemlock

!!!It's so good,in my hometown,I need more 4 times of money to buy it.

jagged turtle
#

does anyone else have this bug with eslint?

true hemlock
#

4080 32GB for 1.7K...

trim valve
#

why is it sunny today

mighty thorn
true hemlock
#

yeah, modded

#

man, trx4 aio sure are expensive...
(price is in AUD)

trim valve
#

whatever

#

tempted to mount one of these 40mm noctua fans in my pc case

#

i kinda have doubts about my pcs cooling rn

opaque sigil
#

hm?

trim valve
#

idk its just so warm all the time, and if I use a lot of gpu everything stays hot

opaque sigil
#

it do be like that

trim valve
#

like atm the whole case is warm to the touch

opaque sigil
#

aren't you also running a sff build or am I misremembering

trim valve
#

yeah

#

I'm mostly concerned about my ssd that is between my gpu and cpu

opaque sigil
#

no heatsink on the ssd? FOCUS

lean stream
#

One message removed from a suspended account.

lean stream
#

One message removed from a suspended account.

trim valve
#

its on the underside of the motherboard

lean stream
opaque sigil
#

I think my 5900X idles in the high 60s too but that's mostly because the fans are barely spinning at all

trim valve
mighty thorn
opaque sigil
#

took me a moment to notice that the gpu is mounted under the motherboard NeurOhISee

true hemlock
#

what cpu?

trim valve
#

9950x

true hemlock
#

huh

silent cloak
true hemlock
#

shouldn't be too hard to cool on idle but how are you getting 70+ C

trim valve
#

no idea 😭

true hemlock
#

try repasting

#

or uh

trim valve
#

oh yeah true I did use remarkably shitty thermal paste

true hemlock
#

let me introduce you to the AXP90-X53

#

i suspected that cooler is shitty af

#

actually

#

make sense, airflow is going to be shit

#

you're supposed to push from outside into the heatsink

#

for more pressure

trim valve
#

it's a noctua Noctua NH-L12Sx77

trim valve
true hemlock
#

eh i think you do

true hemlock
trim valve
#

the CPU cooler is touching the side of the case

#

I might try switching to one of those at some point

nocturne olive
#

Case of gigantic cooler or tiny case?

true hemlock
#

this thing is pretty small

trim valve
#

as it is right now my pc works it's just warm

true hemlock
#

should def fit

stray dragon
opaque sigil
#

coloured cooler neuroPogHD

nocturne olive
# silent cloak

It's Linux time for everyone
(except people who can afford to get another new PC for another new Windows version with stupid hardware requirements)

true hemlock
#

@trim valve

#

its a full copper block

stray dragon
nocturne olive
#

True

true hemlock
#

the problem with your noctua one is that the fan is underneath so its wasting more precious space for airflow under

#

this is why i said pushing from outside into the heatsink would be better

nocturne olive
# nocturne olive True

And I can guaranteed Microslop will make it impossible to uninstall the AI garbage from Windows 12
Me and Xoda had some fun speculation that schools that still use Windows will also have to either stick to an old version of Windows or switch to Linux

true hemlock
#

just stick to win 10?

#

if compatibility and ease of use is needed

#

else linux

#

fuck whatever the security updates man win 11 is such a vulnerability mess rn

nocturne olive
#

In the case of the school, Xoda's school changes hardware every year (and also never speeds up because their Windows images are completely broken)
But also they forbid AI use, but if Windows 12 comes with AI, they won't be able to update to that

true hemlock
#

change hardware every year lmfao

#

shit management

nocturne olive
#

I don't know if they do it because their PCs are very slow which is a problem of their Windows images, maybe related to the fact there's literally no free space on them

true hemlock
#

man

#

noctua are pretty damn overrated if imma ngl

nocturne olive
#

I think people like them because their stuff is quiet?
I don't know, I've never had anything Noctua

true hemlock
#

noctua are great with low db yeah

#

and also cfm performance

#

but they're pricy

nocturne olive
#

Yeah expensive

true hemlock
#

though that'd be their fan

trim valve
true hemlock
#

their heatsinks however...

#

thermalright make wayyy better heatsink than they do

#

for way cheaper

nocturne olive
true hemlock
#

though noctua's heatsink weren't bad

#

in fact they're better than most. our threadripper 3990x uses one of their big heatsink rn

#

but thermalright still makes better ones for cheaper

trim valve
#

iirc the main issue I went noctua was because it was the only one I could buy at the time

true hemlock
#

now the frog is killing my ears every night with it lmao

#

but hey we went from doing 320W to 480W

trim valve
#

😔 neither of the good retailers here sell that cooler

true hemlock
#

oh damn

opaque sigil
true hemlock
#

hold on, try amazon?

true hemlock
trim valve
#

amazon has it I just don't like giving bezos money where I can avoid it

opaque sigil
true hemlock
trim valve
#

hm?

true hemlock
#

the price

trim valve
#

amazon has it for 30 quid

true hemlock
#

WHAT

#

THAT'S SO CHEAP

trim valve
true hemlock
#

the X47 is slightly shorter version btw

#

but i think that X53 would fit your case either way

#

considering that mine is barely any taller than the I/O and vrm heatsink

trim valve
#

iirc my limit is like 77mm

true hemlock
#

yep

#

fit

#

X53 is 53mm

#

literally the number

#

now you get to enjoy 145W stress testing on that lol

trim valve
#

from memory my specific motherboard might've had some weird extra constraint but I don't think its relevant for this specific fan?

true hemlock
#

nope

#

shouldn't be

#

the noctua one you're having is slightly bigger iirc

#

yeah

#

the noctua one is bigger

#

at 120mm * 120mm

trim valve
#

yeah I'll look at getting noe at some point

true hemlock
#

if i were you i won't able to stand 73C idle and would just get it right away for the sake of the longevity of the chip...

#

the one i linked is 90mm*90mm btw

#

smaller in dimensions but overall way better heatsink and thermal capacity

#

also get a reputable thermal paste

trim valve
#

ok but at this very moment I am sat in a different building doing group work

#

seemingly it idles cooler when im not in the room neuroPogHD

#

(red one)

true hemlock
#

mine idles at like

#

sub 30ish

#

sometimes 20ish

trim valve
#

yeah I wish lol

true hemlock
#

then get that cooler quick smh

trim valve
#

later

#

a few more hours will make little difference over its lifespan neuroPogHD

true hemlock
#

though i may be a bit biased because my cpu specifically uses liquid metal underneath the ihs for way higher thermal spread

true hemlock
#

so i can do 260W draw on such cooler lmao

trim valve
#

i still dunno how i have more writes than reads

true hemlock
#

happens

opaque sigil
#

that amount is basically a rounding error anyway depending on the drive enub

sick owl
#

Extremely clever system they've come up with

#

Defo have a read of the thread if you're a robotics fan

opaque sigil
rare bramble
hard delta
#

are we really going to see a trend of decreasing memory from now on

idle dune
#

Literally

#

Phone processor

hard delta
#

ah oki doki

opaque sigil
#

oh right, makes sense

idle dune
#

Ita not like its a bad processor, the iPhone 16 Pro is only two years old but phones since 2020 have just been minor spec bumps.

hard delta
#

and i bet it's great for AI development Erm

#

cause it has all those 16 cores in the neural engine!

#

could run like 4 neuros ez pz

idle dune
#

Despairge it has better single thread and multicore than my thinkpad

#

That 8gb though

#

If your doing literally anything besides everyday browsing and office workd the machine will suffer

hard delta
#

and unlike a phone, where apps are neatly packaged up

#

this is gonna have apps getting yoinked and ran in browsers

#

like hell this morning i opened like 100 tabs on twitter to grab some nice artwork