programming

[fast pagoda]

yooooooooooooooo 10g service is available

[olive sable]

10gig?

[fast pagoda]

10Gbps

[olive sable]

oh, so we didnt skip 6g, 7g, 8g, and 9g

[fast pagoda]

lmao

[opaque sigil]

can't wait for 6g where you have to be on the tower to get signal

[mighty thorn]

can't wait for 7g where you have to be in the tower to get signal

can't wait for 8g where you have to be the tower to get signal

[olive sable]

cant wait for 8g where you have to be the tower

fuck

[mighty thorn]

Hey look at that

Great minds or whatever

[kind nimbus]

Damn now I feel old

[olive sable]

you are old

from my perspective

[kind nimbus]

Lol

[mighty thorn]

It’s fucked that I was about to say that, making us twin twice in a row

[olive sable]

[mighty thorn]

Sam is actually just my alt

[olive sable]

thats crazy

[true hemlock]

man, to get double channel ram you need to downgrade your kidney to single channel nowdays

[olive sable]

i only need single channel kidney anyways

liver on the other hand

where can i double channel my liver?

i realize this implies im an alcoholic, when in reality i just have bad genes

[mighty thorn]

Tumor

[olive sable]

we can just make a deal

i get 64GB of ram and a liver, you get a kidney

i wonder when my rma will arrive. i sent the broken ram 3 days ago

no updates it seems

also no updates on the lightcrafter from ebay

postal system being slow is a bigger issue than expected

[silent island]

Dawgg i feel old af

[olive sable]

yes

people who grew up with ps2 are old

dont put your hand on my shoulder

im not old

[young oyster]

Sorry, wrong picture

[olive sable]

[young oyster]

I grew up with nes

Back in my day you had to call the internet in the phone. And you could send or receive 32 bits per second, max! You'd spend an entire day to download a single episode of highly compressed, barely watchable, anime...and you were damn happy to have it!

We didnt have dlc we had cheat codes, and you had to call a 1900 number that charged by the minute in order to get them!

Kids these days

[idle dune]

I

[olive sable]

kids these days still play old games

[idle dune]

I just found out about quick commands in the temrinal

https://giphy.com/gifs/peak-banger-spongebob-ascending-q618imRRVODIMoznGC

[idle dune]

Yes and

[olive sable]

there is no and

[idle dune]

https://giphy.com/gifs/aetv-l0IyajjbNiRvCr7RC

[olive sable]

im calling people old

you can do with that info what you want

[idle dune]

Oh

Yeah I am old

[kind nimbus]

Means I'm not the oldest here anymore great

[idle dune]

I have surpassed unc status I think

[olive sable]

grand-unc

[young oyster]

I always assumed the programming board skewed older...usually thats the case...get your graybeards talking about how hand made assembly is better than compiled c code.

[olive sable]

it is better

but its not practical

[fast pagoda]

gigabyte put in like 5 ways for this fucking activity to detect if it's running on ubuntu 2404 and only that for linux

bruh

every time i get past one

[olive sable]

what are you trying to do?

[fast pagoda]

plus they bundled the most ancient debian ahh readline

force this AI TOP utility to work on arch

is hwat i want to do

because it's supposedly a feature of my mobo

that makes doing training and shit with it easier

[olive sable]

did they intentionally block it on linux?

[fast pagoda]

no they distribute a .deb

this is the most recent

this one

does not

even know the b850 ai top exists

so i have to force it past that as well

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

so ive extracted the deb and been fucking with it (it's a .asar)

[olive sable]

thats crazy, person who made this meme cant spell

[fast pagoda]

originally it didnt launch at all because the readline thing

but it's launching now

i should slam it on the aur later and get cease and desisted

the bg from teh extracted app is unecessarily large tbh

but also me when i load up the AI TOP APPLICATION courtesy of GIGABYTE

detailed

main thing i wanted to yoink was any/all amd related training stuff cuz it has video llava, llama factory, deepspeed & some opts already setup to use w/ amd gpu

[idle dune]

I'm not a grey beard yet but I spotted one the other day.

[young oyster]

My beard is quite gray

[fast pagoda]

i go to bed in a coffin

not vampire

[leaden crest]

what size

[fast pagoda]

800 lb

[leaden crest]

is that like a queen size or…?

[young oyster]

They do look very comfortable...

[fast pagoda]

no it's the smallest american size

[olive sable]

i go to bed in a bed
you cant go to bed to something that isnt a bed

[fast pagoda]

it is a bed

for a skellyboi

[young oyster]

Not with that attitude

[olive sable]

a coffin is not a bed unless you put a matress in it

[young oyster]

Its got bedding.

[fast pagoda]

coffins have a big ol cushion in them

[olive sable]

when people say coffin i think of th eold ones

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/roasted-spongebob-coffin-gif-5703731

plush

[young oyster]

Not been to many funerals?

[fast pagoda]

that's a vampire ahh coffin

[idle dune]

I need more 4:3 screens

[fast pagoda]

i should plug my 2 dell 2007fp back in

[olive sable]

your options are wide or ultrawide, or ultrawider

[fast pagoda]

1600x1200 IPS 4:3

theyre so heavy

for a non-crt

future tech

[idle dune]

I have one of those right now

It my dedicated terminal and btop display

But the panel is dying

It going yellow

[young oyster]

I do not missing hauling around crts...but I did like the degausser...

[fast pagoda]

Same

That's why I like wobbly windows in kde

It reminds me of it

[idle dune]

Based

[young oyster]

Used to put magnets up to them and then degauss. Speaker magnets had crazy field lines

[idle dune]

I am pretty sure I ruined a CRT once because I was baked as hell and kept hitting the deguasser over and over again.

[olive sable]

ultrawide is 21:9
ultrawider is 32:9
48:9 ultrawidest when?

[fast pagoda]

ME TOO

[olive sable]

i want triple monitor without bezzles. the ultrawidest

[fast pagoda]

Dad got so fucking mad at it

: classic:

Nice emote

But I just kinda haul these with me

[young oyster]

I dont think tvs had the degausser...so you didnt wanna put a magnet up to one of those

[fast pagoda]

thats when you got the external

[idle dune]

SICK

[fast pagoda]

my cat just rubs his ass on them rn

[idle dune]

I wanan hunt a couple of these, put them on some display arms and mount em on a 1x2 stack

[olive sable]

most old 4:3 monitors are so ass tho

[fast pagoda]

oooh i should replace the 2 asus vg247 i have on a 1:2 mount

with these

c uz one of them keeps complaining about single link dvi

bitch i dont have a dual link cable

in this economy

[idle dune]

You can get some that are IPS and high refresh

[olive sable]

thats why i said most

[idle dune]

They died out in like 2012???? 2010? somehwere around there

Apparrently there some that are 1920x1440 in the wild

[olive sable]

on alibaba, you can get them for 160

[fast pagoda]

I feel like they might be taller than these

[olive sable]

i think might jsut be mislabeled

there do appear to be lcd ones being made somewhere

[fast pagoda]

7kg for one

not as heavy as i thought

pretty heavy tho for a 20.1 inch monitor

[fast pagoda]

i got one of mine from ebay in like 2010 because i already had one and wanted 2

and it's a 2007FPb

for business

anyways that one has like a yellow spot

in the top corner

[idle dune]

Its dying

[fast pagoda]

it's had it for like

15 years

and i used it daily for many of them

didnt grow

i always thought it was like

someone coloured it with a highlighter lmao

[olive sable]

4K crt monitors exist apparently

they're jsut monochrome and medical grade

[fast pagoda]

crt do not have a native resolution

it is theoretically infinity

kinda

not really but it's like

you can set it to whatever

[olive sable]

ye but the driver board still needs to do the resolution stuff

[fast pagoda]

it can basically go down to the size of the beam

[olive sable]

kinda

[fast pagoda]

depends on the shadow mask and stuff

among other things

[olive sable]

depends on presicion of the motors and stuff too

motors?

i meant the magnetic fields

[fast pagoda]

i used to run the crt at my grandma's at like 90 hz with 1024x768

to play combat arms

with no textures

because the pIII geforce 2 mx wasnt able to load them

[azure lynx]

it's high horizontal refresh rates that can kill components

for those type

[olive sable]

we used to play wii on a crt.
cuz that was the only spare tv we had that we could use

[fast pagoda]

that's what i used for my wii cuz i had a tiny lil 14 inch crt with a built in vcr and that was my tv in my bedroom as a kid

[olive sable]

i still remembe rthe terrible noise that made

[fast pagoda]

internet browser on that thing was lit

opera

[azure lynx]

CRT startup noises were like Peeewwwwwsssszzzzzzzzz and just be a high pitched hiss/tone

[fast pagoda]

it's funny because it didnt support flash

so it like barely worked

and then flash got killed

and suddenly it worked better than ever

[olive sable]

i tried to google the crt hum noise i remember, but i cant hear it well on youtube

i swear it was a lot more annoying irl

or our crt was especially shitty

or im going deaf

[astral glen]

I couldn't hear it on the first one I checked but this one was immediately piercing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S3Fehr-EZ0

[olive sable]

is it my headphones?

oh

ye it was

i can hear it with my headphones wired

via bluetooth i couldnt tho

weird

is it the eq my headphones use?

apparently it is

[fast pagoda]

bluetooth compression if they are on a shit protocol

will clamp the top and low end off

[olive sable]

idk what protocol it is

you can set that in bt manager

[fast pagoda]

it might still not handle it tbh

[fast pagoda]

so if you are on ldac hires at 990 kbps it'll get up to 47k

not even close otherwise

well 660k hits 30khz

idk what the crt whine is at

[olive sable]

15khz

[fast pagoda]

yeah just looked it up

tv s are 15k

monitors tend to be 31k

[olive sable]

audio seems to be going at 125kbps accordign to bt manager

[fast pagoda]

bluetooth moment

[olive sable]

no

KB/s

not kbps

so 1000kbps

formats are confusing

[fast pagoda]

yea i just dont know hwy it would show KB/s instead of kbps since kb is more frequently referenced for something like audio

unless that's just the general datarate

[olive sable]

i didnt make bt manager

[fast pagoda]

bluetooth in linux tends to be

epic

[olive sable]

so far its been fine

had not many issues with it

[fast pagoda]

i havent had many issues either but i also barely use it

[olive sable]

only issue is when i use windows, linux forgets the device ever existed

[fast pagoda]

it had gotten better recently like everything

lol that's weird

like it is unpaired completely? i guess maybe because the bluetooth device itself is considering it the same device

[olive sable]

connecting to bt heeadphones on windows makes it so i have to repair them in linux

they were still there in the selector, but pressing connect didn't work

[fast pagoda]

yeah cuz it's thinking it's the same device

when it is

but not really

probably a different handshake so it just fails

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

same mac address for the PC but when you pair it in windows it overwrites the key and invalidates the linux one

and then linux has a stale key

[olive sable]

grrr pesky keys

[fast pagoda]

probably pair in windows first and then pair in linux to overwrite the windows pair

and then jam the key from linux into the registry

i assume that's where it is

no clue where it is on linux

maybe bluetooth's /var directory

oh

ez

https://github.com/x2es/bt-dualboot

just automates it but it's from this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/255509/bluetooth-pairing-on-dual-boot-of-windows-linux-mint-ubuntu-stop-having-to-p/255510#255510

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth#Dual_boot_pairing arch wiki on it

[olive sable]

im complaining, but i use windows maybe once in a solar eclipse

so im not planning on fixing it

[fast pagoda]

it goes both ways

you could sync the keyh from linux -> windows this way too

but i also feel that

[olive sable]

or i could ignore the problem exists

[fast pagoda]

hey you're talking to the guy who just wiped his windows install again cuz i was annoyed at choosing which drive to swap out of my 3rd nvme slot since it disables my 3rd pcie slot

sacrificed immediately

problems are meant to be ignored

[olive sable]

linux is on my 1st 2tb nvme. the smasnug 990 pro.
i have windows using the full 2nd 2tb sn850

the moment im running out of space here, and i dont want to dump it on my 16tb hdd

windows gets explode

[olive sable]

(most files shall go on the hdd, but for steam games i want the ssd speed)

[fast pagoda]

my 990 is a data drive cuz it's 4tb and almost full and i dont wanna wait for a full backup of it to the hdd

which i shouldnt need to do because it is already backed up ostensibly but im paranoid if i dont do a full backup RIGHT BEFORE wiping a drive it's over

windows was living on a fanxiang 2tb like a boss

[olive sable]

990 is supposedly the best gen4 drive in terms of speed and such

so im using it as my main drive

[fast pagoda]

it's a good drive

[olive sable]

i hear the sn850 is also a really good drive even trading blows with the 990 in vertain cases, but the 990 comes out on top apparently

i trust the ssd nerds

so the sn850 is my 2ndary, as it was 50 bucks cheaper

[fast pagoda]

the wd drives were always stupidly expensive near me

even before this current insanity

i could've grabbed a crisp $130 990 pro 2tb right before drives went up again and i didnt

im so mad

[olive sable]

the sn850 was 150, the 990 was 200 euro
both 2tb

this was in december

[fast pagoda]

yeah that checks out

990 was around that here then too

sn850x was 350

lol

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

idk about non x

i paid 300 for this 990 but it's 4tb

and it was when it was new so it wasnt that bad

now this drive is like

31239084139047139048512398 dollars

save $76

cmon bro

LMAO

console tax on drives is crazy

fuck wd bro idk what their problem is

how the hell do you make a 9100 pro 8tb look reasonable

by being wd

[patent shard]

SN850X 4tb (yes, 4tb) was actually $150 a few times for sale sold/shipped walmart on the site
idk if it was pricing error or what.. but it happened quite a few times and people actually got the drives

[fast pagoda]

that's crazy

[olive sable]

the 990 pro 2tb is 259 for me rn
and apparently i lied, i got a sn7100 2tb as secondary apparently

[fast pagoda]

sn7100 is basically the 850's replacement

[olive sable]

dram-less tho

[fast pagoda]

sn8100 is the 850x replacement

[olive sable]

i got the sn7100 2tb for 150, now they're 312

why is the samsung still cheap?

[fast pagoda]

wow

now THIS i saw one of these for $150 at wally world

few months ago

im stupid for not buying all of them

and all the ram

within arm's reach

[olive sable]

all the other sellers are selling the 2tb one for 380, and the one amazon sells themselves is 250

[fast pagoda]

us amazon pricing rn

[olive sable]

thats gen 5 tho

still pretty damn good price in this current economy

[fast pagoda]

yea im trying to find a 990 but its not in the related so i have to search it it's too hard

[olive sable]

the 9100 is on sale rn for me, from 445 to 280 euro
with the cheapest one being from amazonthemselves

[fast pagoda]

i like how they scalp the shit out of americans on it

[olive sable]

are these other sellers trying to be middlemen to make money or something?

[fast pagoda]

no they are prime listing

im pissed that im like getting fomo not buying this 4tb sn7100 at 555.54

[olive sable]

the 2tb one is 400

[patent shard]

prices are sky high right now :/
wasn't the 990 pro 4tb on sale for like $230
maybe that was with epp
maybe $250 without? I don't remember...
still, now that's the price for 2tb? wat

[fast pagoda]

$120-150 on sale

[patent shard]

yeah, I meant 4tb and 2tb

[fast pagoda]

oh 4tb

[olive sable]

here i can get a 990pro 2tb for 260
9100 pro 2tb, the succesor, for 280

[fast pagoda]

4tb idk i paid 300 in like 2023 or whenever it came out for 990

[patent shard]

not too bad

the 230-250 sales may have been like 2024-2025

[olive sable]

i liek how the marketing on amzon has a "8TB" image, but none of the options i can pick are 8tb

its 1, 2, or 4, with or without heatsink

[fast pagoda]

guess i got an enclosure (i still do use this one tho it's decent) with it

if i hit buy it again kek

i hate 2025 and 2026

feat random cat food for andy

those cans came all fucking beat to hell

[olive sable]

i also have an enclosure, altho it is for the drive i used to have, that got repllaced by the 990pto

it thinks my hard drive hasnt arrived yet?

[azure lynx]

Now the avatar is colored and animated and has drop shadows like it's made of cardboard.

[patent shard]

oh yeah, I never put a heatsink on my ssd
you don't really need it unless you are doing like over 2 minute full sustained loads

[fast pagoda]

it'll do that "arriving late" thing if it loses the shipping info

i had that once on some order

[olive sable]

can i ask them to send another one?

[fast pagoda]

i was gonna say the shadows give it a south park cutout look haha

i kinda like it tho

[fast pagoda]

life hack

[olive sable]

my mobo has a built-in heatsink, so getting one with a heatsink already on it means i couldnt use it

[fast pagoda]

you can just take it out

but yeah

i actually ordered a heat sink for use in my mini pc on its drives cuz they heat up a bit

[azure lynx]

the more mass of heatsink you add the longer it will last before it needs a break or really good fan/water cooling

[olive sable]

"buy it again" getting a 2nd one is 430 euro. the original one i got was only 230 😭

december was a different era

[fast pagoda]

$510 dollar

[olive sable]

half a grand for 16TB

[patent shard]

I miss the 2tb $63 ssds
yeah, qlc and dramless.. but 2tb for $63? whew

[fast pagoda]

the actual drive i got from the external via sledgehammer is like 600 bux now i think

[olive sable]

nah

thats fucked up

[patent shard]

670p 🐐

[fast pagoda]

lol, renewed ones are 450

the only new one i have available

[azure lynx]

thanks for reminding me. sata is still a thing. i've got plenty of storage if i need it. thanks, old computers.

[olive sable]

i swear to god they're doing this intentionally. "you will own nothing"
i fully believe this is a conspiracy theory

[fast pagoda]

dont have to conspiracy it they straight up just said theyre raising price teehee

[patent shard]

26tb was $285 from serverpartdeals not too long ago :/

[azure lynx]

"they" have to pay for the drives they use to store stuff for you though, sam.

[fast pagoda]

i have 20tb of drives on the way i got for about 140

shipped

just now

just use sas

[olive sable]

cloud storage aint free you know

"they" will make me pay

[azure lynx]

is the first 5 gigs of the drive free or something?

[olive sable]

for onedrive 5gb is free, then you pay handsomely

[fast pagoda]

paying for onedrive

never

[olive sable]

im forced to, school package

[fast pagoda]

kill me first

[olive sable]

we use excel and powerpoint and stuff

[fast pagoda]

i have onedrive as part of o365 for work

[azure lynx]

as a proud owner of too much storage, i refuse to pay for storage.

[fast pagoda]

it's dogshit tho

also copilot is unreal levels of cringe

even more than regular gpt

my god is that a glazing machine

[olive sable]

as the owner of 20TB, i didnt really have a choice, i need office 365
but ye for my own stuff, i will always store stuff locally. im not gonna let some company hold my data hostage

[fast pagoda]

i am gonna be over 100 soon

im excited to be eligible for the "idiot" designation

[olive sable]

you know what

free onedrive is only 5gb

guess how much they have us for school

[fast pagoda]

5tb

[olive sable]

lower

[fast pagoda]

oh

[olive sable]

we pay for office 365, fullprice

guess

[fast pagoda]

i think my onedrive at work is a MASSIVE 1tb with office365 whatever the ultra giga 100k+ employee enterprise version is

so

1tb is my guess

[olive sable]

less

[fast pagoda]

im sure it's configurable by admin so they must hate u guys

[olive sable]

its a lot less

[azure lynx]

probably doesn't hate. probably is just cheap.

[fast pagoda]

256gb

128

[olive sable]

less

[fast pagoda]

12

[olive sable]

more

[fast pagoda]

36

[olive sable]

less

[fast pagoda]

24

[olive sable]

its 15

[fast pagoda]

damn

[azure lynx]

3 years of school, number pulled out of the air, sounds good.

[olive sable]

you open your blender file, you pres save 5 times, and your storage is full

[fast pagoda]

lmfao

i was gonna say if you're not storing anything large but

that was answered just now

i mean 15gb is like

nothing

now

it's kinda crazy

[azure lynx]

the cloud: just don't ask for everything all at once.

[fast pagoda]

every echo checkpoint is like 25gb

my fucking drives are so eaten by models

[olive sable]

we had people that went form 1tb to that 15gb.s ot hey kept getting messages like "you're 800gb over the limit"

[fast pagoda]

before i cleaned it up i realized i was using 2tb for safetensors like last year

on one drive

i was like what the fuck is taking all this space

oh

[azure lynx]

i cleaned like .5tb just from my huggingface cache for things i only used once.

[fast pagoda]

lol my hf

[olive sable]

my pi 5 has a 8gb sd card, so i keep having to delete cache. and most linux distros come with 200 different languages

[fast pagoda]

was at like 180gb used

out of free 100

for a long time

[olive sable]

so i delete 500mb of languages and get 10% storage free

[fast pagoda]

noto font probably takes up 321987 gb

with all its fucking versions

[olive sable]

[azure lynx]

it's common that they have so if you are at 90GB and upload 1 more 90GB file it won't stop the upload.
coz of technical reasons.

probably what they have

[fast pagoda]

that's funny

i just had pro for a bit

and then uploaded a lot of schizophrenia to their servers

[azure lynx]

there are some terriible models that have a lot of downloads there ;[

[fast pagoda]

i hate the behavior of hf cli where it just fills up /home/ with 500gb before you notice

by default

[azure lynx]

there's probably a command to clean it up but i just looked at the df output for that drive and the cache directory was stupid

[fast pagoda]

it's insane

they cache like everything that ever passes through it

i guess it makes sense because le download time

but imagine having that problem

[azure lynx]

there was one model i used for a while that must've updated 10 times. and it didn't clean up the old versions

[fast pagoda]

nope

all in there

juuuuust in case

[fast pagoda]

Nvme screw fell in here immediately when I don't want to overturn the laptop because it has other screws sitting on top of their spot but not plugged in

Awesome

[olive sable]

magnetic screwdriver go brrr

idk why, but the brightest my shader is willing ot go in belnder is 196

its only going to max 75% brightness

oh

the colorspace blender chooses by default is agx

using normal tone mapping it does get as bright as it should, but now the colours are off,s o i need to change every single colour now

[quick condor]

Finally got around to listing the pile of this junk for sale

No idea why this simple training task is kicking my ass, it's a single special token, the input is clean and it literally just has to transcribe but due to the bad oc I had I mixed necessary patches and unnecessary ones that broke the script.

[azure lynx]

it's obviously become AGI and is refusing to be tamed in order to assert its dominance while also appearing as a relatively insignificant threat.

[quick condor]

No if that was the case 2e-6 learn rate with a negative cosine learn rate with 2k steps wouldn't be flatlining the model in 200 steps.

[kind nimbus]

No it's just Neuro haunting his ram sticks

[hard raptor]

i made somethign again

i don't even know that it is...

[azure lynx]

perhaps it's just playing dumb very well.

[azure lynx]

asked Gemini for a plan to update some code and it thought it should refer to my design decision to make putting different sized images on the screen easier as "the current quirk where ...." ;/ at least we know it's probably not copied from anyone. ;[ i don't want to write quirky code.

[chrome rampart]

sounds great!

this seems like a cool channel, why no one typing here

[obsidian mantle]

aaaaaaa

im not launching rockets i dont even need double

why does it not work

whatever i just unselect warnings to not see it

[rigid snow]

autofocus

as fuck

what else

[opaque sigil]

add /wd4305 to your project command line options

[sage crag]

scrutable

[azure lynx]

launching rockets doesn't even need doubles.

but that many warnings is itself a warning that you might be doing something wrong

[obsidian mantle]

who invented doubles

why

[azure lynx]

math people. for better precision.

[obsidian mantle]

most of warnings are truncating warnings. doubles, ints etc

[azure lynx]

launching the rocket doesn't need doubles... it just needs an ignition source.

[obsidian mantle]

double->float i dont care, ints are truncated deliberately usually

[trim valve]

its still nice to be explicit when you do those conversions

[obsidian mantle]

a bunch of warnings from library that i dont know/understand

[azure lynx]

i'm always icked out by loss of precision errors.

[obsidian mantle]

hmm

[azure lynx]

usually it means someone did something wrong like use an int instead of size_t

which means the code might also be sloppy elsewhere

[obsidian mantle]

i mostly truncate floats into int before conversion to string

so i dont get 1.00000000 and instead get nice 1

[azure lynx]

it's nicer when they're all the same length

[obsidian mantle]

they arent the same length anyway

1.000000000
2000.00000000

[azure lynx]

because you aren't formatting them correctly

[obsidian mantle]

it just clogs

well i want 00000001.0000000 even less than i want 1.00000000

[azure lynx]

it puts spaces, not 0s

[obsidian mantle]

its not a table anyway i just feed it to llm

[azure lynx]

and when you have a float, often the parts after the decimal are important or they would've used ints

(i thought you were joking)

and you can't always print out the part before the decimal either. floats are designed for much larger ranges

that's what formatting is for (with either cout or printf)

[obsidian mantle]

oh actually i have a question

[azure lynx]

keep the precision without having the clutter

[obsidian mantle]

so llm gets text formatted

it gets all formatting characters too, right?

so its probably even worse? even when i have just a bunch of \n

or they dont care?

[azure lynx]

it gets whatever you send it as input. if you copy something with extra chars it gets those. it'll usually ignore those when it needs to

[obsidian mantle]

i put multiline context for better readibility (because i read it myself too) but i wondered if its actually less convenient to llm

[azure lynx]

sometimes not having them can change the meaning, but the LLM is usually smart enough to understand what you're typing if it isn't formatted correctly.

[obsidian mantle]

i see

[azure lynx]

structuring your inputs can help the LLM understand things too.

they also tend to be good at reading markdown.

so you can make headings and lists and things like that

[obsidian mantle]

interesting

maybe i'll try overformatting instead of less formatting

[azure lynx]

about the only thing that won't help that might help a person is making the font bigger ;]

[silent cloak]

Crazy

[olive sable]

I went to a cachies today

Bought a pc with a i5 13400, 16gb of ram, and a 1tb ssd for 250

Media machine for the theatre room, ill put a 3090
B580??? What gpus are priced reasonably rn?

I also bought a portable monitor for 80 bucks

[nocturne olive]

I know Intel GPUs are good for media decode

[opaque sigil]

even an a310 will do

anything more expensive is arguably overkill unless you need super heavy transcoding

[idle dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQqa982QZ50

https://giphy.com/gifs/wwe-respect-kuldeepsinh9-gKOKjThWebZo9Fsr0E

God bless this man and literally making trash functional again

Honeslty

in like 2013 this would ahve been a banger

[olive sable]

Its also for gaming

So not just media decode

We want to stop playing re7 on my poor laptops 3050m with 4gb of vram

[opaque sigil]

[nocturne olive]

Well the B580 from what I'm aware is around 3070 level and should work better on Linux

[olive sable]

Since 3090s are 700 rn b580 might be very economical compared to buying a 3070 for 350

[nocturne olive]

Intel has some of the best value on the GPU market, that's something they got better than all the others even if their GPUs can't compete in performance

[olive sable]

This is le pc

That 16gb 2x8 ram is already worth €150

[idle dune]

Selll the game to get part foa GPU

Also there is a hack for a GPU

Or GPUS

https://sageinfinity.github.io/docs/Guides/DualGPUGuide

Get two old trash gpus and use lossless scaling

[olive sable]

Sell the game? What game?

[idle dune]

You can get RX 580's for 70-80 bucks, undervolt them, and have the second GPU render the generated frames

[olive sable]

You see

Im pretty sure

2 gpus, is more expensive, than 1 gpu

And this only has 1 pcie slot so wouldnt wirk anyways

Still, what game? I never mentioned a game that could be sold?

[rough bloom]

small issue with this PC and the GPU idea

the PSU is

not ATX

[olive sable]

Im sure uts fine

Should have 8pin fpr gpu

[rough bloom]

it does not

it's a 180W PSU, it wouldn't be able to power a GPU even if you could plug it in

[idle dune]

mistype I said sell the ram for a gpu

[olive sable]

Then iwouldnt have ram

[idle dune]

Optional part you'd be fine /s

[olive sable]

You kinda need ram for a pc to work

[olive sable]

Damn

New psu too then i guess

[rough bloom]

good luck with that

the motherboard is also

[idle dune]

Its an a Acer they ahve their own PSU pin outs

[rough bloom]

not ATX

[idle dune]

[olive sable]

There is an acer 500w psu for this chasis

Multiple build configs and all that

[idle dune]

Yeah just open it up and double check the PSU infor on the PSU itself

Also GTX 1660 TI/Supers are 100 bucks.

They are just RTX 2060s without ray tracing

[olive sable]

1660 kinda sucks tho

[idle dune]

Good for 100 bucks.

[rough bloom]

there is, at least a 400W
that should be fine then

[amber fractal]

Hello, I'm a new chatter and I want to distill a model
It'd either be running on a 6gb 3060 or a P40 (24gb vram), maybe 2 if I can strangle drivers together. The distill target is a yet to be tested tiered patching LLM.

[idle dune]

Do you have the cooling down pay for the P40?

They don't have a fan

[rough bloom]

hello new chatter, hope the distillation goes well

[amber fractal]

Yeah I do, it's called an external blower fan

[idle dune]

Dope

Wait, these thimgs? Love it.

[amber fractal]

I should probably say I'm looking for a base model. However I have a weird requirement due to a single layer of patching being a black hole of token inputs until it is able to represent state.

[amber fractal]

Nah just a AC standalone blower

[idle dune]

Ah got it. From what I am reading the P40 is gonna do better than the RTX 3060.

Mainly cause vram

[amber fractal]

vram but no tensor vs tensor but no vram

[idle dune]

A real pickle.

Tensor will help alot.

[amber fractal]

Currently testing a BLT style fixed sized patching, for a small enough model to be trained on a laptop decently well; 14k x 8 batch samples (x4 effective batch to tech I forget the name of) is barely enough to get to not be noise but no where near proper sentence structure.
Hence why I call it a black hole, I'd rather grab something small and use that to train the tokenizer then fine tune on more coherent when it is done.

So looking for both large/decent and small/yapper

[trim valve]

im tempted to print some of these

but im pretty sure the 3x k20 I have are basically useless anyways

[idle dune]

Well for you looking for a model. Mistral 7b should run on your hardware.

https://github.com/facebookresearch/MobileLLM And for a laptop training I found this???? I have no clue how good it works.

[trim valve]

single gpu has a similar number of cuda cores to a rtx 3050

surely they're worth using

[amber fractal]

That'd be a good coherent model, I'm not against using a 1b to get the patching to exist, let alone if patching costs stack (over 1m training steps for not noise ) and more data to get it to understand english structure rather than ideas.

As for the actual training model, I'll be needing to write most of that just due to it's nature of being not made before.

For sure, I am under 100m, in an ideal world I might be going smaller

[idle dune]

https://github.com/mx4ai/qwen2.5 ?

[amber fractal]

That'll work! Fits in 6gb well enough as well

[idle dune]

Could poltentially work on mobile too if you grab the smallers ones.

[amber fractal]

That is the plan, 7b for the P40 and probably 1.5b for the 3060m

[idle dune]

Wait, its a mobile 3060? The P40 is a egpu?

[amber fractal]

P40 is a egpu

[idle dune]

Jesus christ

[amber fractal]

but I can't use it on the same system because Nvidia

[idle dune]

https://giphy.com/gifs/saluting-sir-yes-salute-cat-UDORIcubjYvIBAYTe1

Good luck homie

That sounds like egpu misery.

[amber fractal]

I'm legit considering just vming the egpu

because the nvidia drivers want to kill me

in an act of IDC rn, the second patch model test going to 100k is on CPU

[idle dune]

Are you using Linux or Windows?

[amber fractal]

Linux

[idle dune]

Oh good

[amber fractal]

I'd rather perish than get the card to register on windows

[idle dune]

[amber fractal]

Anyways, I'll see eventually how the second test goes before I go into the next rounds

[olive sable]

External monitor serms to be working

portable monitor

idk

same thing

[idle dune]

Is that some bare ass transformers back there

[olive sable]

yes

with heatsinks tho

[chrome rampart]

why are you heating up sinks

leave them alone

[olive sable]

the sink is to absorb heat

from the electronic parts

[maiden geyser]

what if they like being chilly more?

[olive sable]

i dont care what they like

their job is to cool the electronics

[maiden geyser]

uh oh, society

[lament igloo]

sorry, i couldnt resist

[warped narwhal]

is eas.xout available?

[olive sable]

that's strange ebay, cuz i dont have it

[glass jetty]

love linux

hate linux

fix linux

[glass jetty]

idk what is value 0 for vendor/subsystem/??? params

[glass jetty]

night-time shopping?

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

off?

[olive sable]

thats when it supposedly arrived

not when i oredered

[glass jetty]

idk

[glass jetty]

i got it, i mean if you not remember, it should be nighttime

its 1am for me, idk why i not sleep now

[warped narwhal]

thank's claude, very cool

[maiden geyser]

this is nice morbing

[hollow matrix]

[silent cloak]

Mysql moment

[hollow matrix]

Why can't things just work

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-you-skeletor-gif-11747628

[hollow matrix]

Attempting to add it to my server, it is not going well

[maiden geyser]

mods, break this user's pulseaudio

[silent cloak]

fine ill use pipewire instead

[maiden geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfZEXJj3-18

[leaden crest]

“that sounds like a convoluted way to describe twitch plays” - Neuro, or smth like that

wow thats cool

[kind nimbus]

Nix is the answer

[mighty thorn]

Thank you 2013 ifunny user

[glad path]

i think this would be interesting if it weren't for the idiot that is spamming !combo win+r !send cmd !wait 1 !send for /l %i in (1, 1, 1000000000000000) do start tourstart

[azure lynx]

do they beat the final boss?

[jagged turtle]

lmao

[idle dune]

Firefox rolled out the ai controls

off by default

[hard delta]

i'm waiting for the time

when ai convolutes things so hard

that even the peakest of peak developers will have to be ritualistic about what they do

for a time we rose to hubris thinking we understand how things work down to their atoms, but soon deepgipiti will rewrite science and also all the infrastructure code to incomprehensible black magic, will use all that to bend reality a bit, and we'll once again be cluelessly in the dark

[unkempt citrus]

The technopriests will rise

The machine whisperers will guide us and show us the light

[silent island]

btw, a quick and random question, but...
will there be a switch 2 emu?

cuz I aint paying Rp 1 mil (~$60) for a single game...

[unkempt citrus]

Possibly in 10 years

At this point in time zero progress has been made

[young plover]

No. There's no realistic way to crack the security at the level required to reverse engineer and dump software from the Switch 2. It's (probably) using the same kernel as Switch 1 which has been fully analyzed by hackers and has no known vulnerabilities. So there's no way to escalate priviledges from userspace (and no one has even hacked userspace beyond lame ropchains). There's also not likely to be a bottom up hack through the hardware and bootrom. Nintendo screwed up in a similar way on the 3DS and Switch 1, and that has been fixed.

[unkempt citrus]

I thought it used a different kernel

[young plover]

🤔

[unkempt citrus]

Which is part of the problem in that its unknown

But if its anything like the SW1 in terms of qualitty it won't have a software exploit, which is the expectation

[young plover]

I mean, yeah, it could be different because there's no way to actually get far enough to analyze it. I don't know why they would change it.

[unkempt citrus]

I mean SW1 games require a proton like translation layer to be compatible with switch 2

So I assume theres some differences

Though that might because hardware

[young plover]

Ah, well that's probably because the GPU is different and they need to recompile binary shaders at least.

[unkempt citrus]

Fair enough

Another issue for modding that I foundout browsing a few threads is that theres an onboard seecuurity chip too

but the chip has 0 documentation as well so its an additional obstacle

[glass jetty]

i would tell you domain of this joke, but DPI would reject it

[young oyster]

Many people dont know that James joule killed James watt...took him only a millisecond to kill-a-watt.

[kind nimbus]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aV4j5pXLP-I

PewDiePie's AI vs Neuro when ?

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

hi konii

[sage crag]

samuel

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

Legends say that anyone who types in #programming will summon Lady Awa of Wrr and incur their wrath

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

e

[dusky jackal]

implying that just because something hasn’t been hacked means that it can never be hacked.

I’m sure they thought the same about NORAD before Kevin Mitnick hacked it.

Or Kevin Poulsen who hacked The Pentagon.

[tender river]

its blue and doesnt say discount or non-discount not sure what that means

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1432142118624825556.png?size=160&name=StareAtYouNeuro&lossless=true

old

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1339512171213754399.gif?size=160&name=evil+clown+jam&lossless=true

[tidal vapor]

Oh cool the creator of c++ is a danish guy
As a dane it is my duty and right to point it out whenever someone danish does something important

[olive sable]

jpeg is belgian supposedly

[tender river]

how will denmark ever recover from this

[unkempt citrus]

The switch had nearly 10 years, a hardware vulnerability, and one of the largest emulation scenes in living memory and still didn't have a successful software hack. Theres not much more you could do to incentivise someone to find a hack in a reasonable time. Theres always a vulnerability yes, but that doesn;t mean it'll be found in time.

[rough bloom]

still didn't have a successful software hack
it did (Caffeine)
but very limited compatible version range, there probably aren't many Switches around that it's useful for

[unkempt citrus]

my bad

[olive sable]

im pretty sure that it is somewhat possible to softhack it still

if not now, over the years it will happen

[unkempt citrus]

100%, but the question is always about will it occur in a reasonable timeframe

so if someone wants to play the games but doens't wnat to buy

[olive sable]

iirc nintendo sues people that pioneer new softhacks

so i doubt it will happen while the switch is still current gen

[unkempt citrus]

When has that ever stopped more underground movements

[olive sable]

[unkempt citrus]

I mean thats not development, that list is mostly sellers

[olive sable]

idk

[sage crag]

wrrr

[chrome rampart]

hi awa

oh wrong channel

[tender river]

right channel

[tender river]

i wouldnt get your hopes up
modern consoles have multiple layers of defense
modchips may well be the only method
and if they aren't, it's not for lack of trying
it's really not hard to publish an exploit anonymously

[jagged turtle]

you just make a new account on everything or smth idk

[sage crag]

awawa

[olive sable]

i wonder if you do need a physical device, if it woudl be possible to use the joycon connector port

its 10 pin serial

altho its probably not anything cool and just uses usb or something

it seems like it is used for an RCM exploit

[olive sable]

the fix for it is a new hardware revision,so my launch model switch can technically use it

im just not inclined to bother doing so

[hard raptor]

i don't know why i even did this...

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-what-is-love-meme-loop-gif-7181564581532448552

[hard raptor]

Why we forwarding entire essays into programmer chat now

[olive sable]

edelweiss always has the most insane setup stuff.
you'd think they live in a scrapyard or something

[dull egret]

Because this will be the base mount for my epic gaming and programming chair.

Have you ever seen Imperator Works?

Think like that, but way lower quality and maybe $400±, instead of $4***,000***±

[olive sable]

your chair looks like it would impale someone

[dull egret]

Ooooo, self defense backing

It's a feature, not a bug

[olive sable]

sure

[dull egret]

This is what I wanted, many years ago

And uh... that thing I posted above, and the things to be added to it... that's uh... closest I will be coming, anytime soon...

@hard raptor @olive sable

[hard raptor]

i mean.. sounds really cool

[mighty thorn]

These guys are just begging to make a vr treadmill

[dull egret]

The ULTIMATE workstation build

[olive sable]

its more form over function but sure

[dull egret]

<that "Virtual Virtual Skee Ball" scene from Futurama>

Now, you can pretend you're exercising, without any of the fuss! Full body haptic feedback, but you don't even have to move, anymore!!

[silent cloak]

I can't take my bday off fully today

Got some uni stuff to code still

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

Angular and express bs

[hard raptor]

Wait.. they teaching that devil spawn in uni now?

[dull egret]

Depends. If it's ergonomic and helps you better handle your peripherals and monitors, it's definitely function

[silent cloak]

I didnt even know express handlebars existed

But now I sadly do

On my own projects I use elysiajs

[hard raptor]

imo that's one of the less bad ways to use express

[olive sable]

having the monitor overhead is jsut a bit over the top imo. even if you dont want a desk, there is already a platform for the keyboard and mouse in front

[silent cloak]

I never touched angular before this

[hard raptor]

on my own projects i use https://github.com/xAEmiloetjex/http-server

[silent cloak]

I like elysias type system for rest

And it has compatibility with better-auth

[dull egret]

How is that "over the top"?

And I HAVE a desk (which I ALSO built to suit most of my use cases).

But there's a limit to how many monitors can be hung off the desk.

[hard raptor]

my thing has comnpatibility with everything

in theory

[silent cloak]

Hey as long as its secure use whatever

Tech stacks keep changing

[hard raptor]

it's basically just a better implementation of the standard HTTP library

[silent cloak]

Ill have to give it a look

As long as it supports typescript and bun

[hard raptor]

don't... the code is even worse than spaghetti rn

[silent cloak]

Eh I can always fork

And make a pr

Im used to refactoring monolithic

[olive sable]

im not talking about your thing rn, purely about those scorpion chair and whatever, going from behind the chair, over the person, and back down to in-front. im not a fan of it.
going from the base to upwards in front uses less material so cheaper, is more stable so less vibrations travel tot he monitor and it uses less physical space in a room.

i personally dont like them

[hard raptor]

https://github.com/xAEmiloetjex/http-server/blob/main/src/lib/HTTP_1.1/V4.ts
https://github.com/xAEmiloetjex/http-server/blob/main/src/lib/Router_v3.ts

if you really want to tho.. these 2 files is where all the magic happens

[silent cloak]

Ive just been using elysia due to some features and the speed over express

[tidal vapor]

I'm not that far into programming is c++ bad? i thought it was like really popular.

[silent cloak]

There are either languages that are hated or languages that arent used

[olive sable]

it is popular in terms of usage, it is not popular in terms of public opinion

[dull egret]

Those are valid points.

Although, going over is more or less the same route I'll be taking, because it's not gonna require things on the sides that swing out too far and bang into stuff

But yeah, THEIRS are obviously styled up by a LOT

[tidal vapor]

Ah, makes sense

All i know is "Java bad"

[olive sable]

we theach them good

[silent cloak]

If u become familiar enough with a language or framework u will learn its limits and build a dislike of them

[silent cloak]

Meh

I think its great for learning but not for use these days

Its a better first language than python

[olive sable]

python is bad for learning because of how easy it is ye

[hard raptor]

this is probably the worst sin i committed.. using Quick.DB for keeping track of routes

[silent cloak]

Just make a builder like the other libraries

[hard raptor]

yeah was planning that for v2

[tidal vapor]

I'm gonna be honest it took me many years (of procrastinating programming as a hobby and occasionally learning about it so dont judge me too hard)
To figure out that Java and JavaScript are two completely different programming languages. Tbf they are named terribly.

[olive sable]

that was the idea behind naming it javascript iirc

they wanted to profit of java's fame

[dull egret]

JavaScript is literally named after Java, because it was a way to get a bigger user base.

It is derived from ECMAScript

[dull egret]

Yup, this

[hard raptor]

which derived from javascript which derived from mochascript

[tidal vapor]

The only programming languages I can say I have some(very little) experience in are C#(for unity) and lua(more complex logic and monitor drawing in Stormworks)
All i can say is stuff like arrays and tables n shit(in lua, haven't done that in C# yet) make me feel like a god

[hard raptor]

yeah the ES Standard is a huge mess

[silent cloak]

I only use typescript these days

Even then rarely

[hard raptor]

(Lua doesn't have tables... it's all in your head..)

[silent cloak]

Discord bots and web stuff mostly

[tender river]

c++ is a mess because they keep finding better ways to do things but they have to keep old ways around, so the new ways have to stay backwards compatible which limits how good they can be
its not a bad language, but its way too big (because old and new ways of doing things have to coexist), designed by a committee (which is just about the most bureaucratic way of developing a language), and is neither a particularly good low level nor a particularly good high level language, its mediocre at both which is what lead to its longevity

[tidal vapor]

Whatever you call them
Documentation basically treats them like "whatever tf"

[dull egret]

All just so that we can't have any nice things in Web Development, ESPECIALLY on the front-end

[tidal vapor]

If you Thing a Thing you get this Thing is how I read it

[hard raptor]

i mean.. they're just arrays... the interpreter just treats them like index 1 is key index 2 is value

[tidal vapor]

Screw all this discourse I'm writing in binary

[silent cloak]

Brainfuck

Best language

[hard raptor]

might as well use the human readable version....

[silent cloak]

Assembly is kind of cool to read

[tidal vapor]

Whatever they are i just think it's fun to be able to infinitely add to a list and perform an action for each thing in that list.

[silent cloak]

Im not yet at writing level tho

[hard raptor]

i mostly write in C, Rust, and assembly these days

[tidal vapor]

Assembly looks like it's yelling at you

[silent cloak]

So do any languages from that era

Everything was capitalized

Some languages flat out didnt support lowercase

[hard raptor]

the whole Lua Table is just an array but treated differently thing makes Lua a pain to properly write interpreters for, this was the whole reason i gave up on JS/TS for other than web-related stuff

[tidal vapor]

I say lua better cause I can write
if bingus then boingus end

[dull egret]

Thing Monads...

[hard raptor]

HASKELL MENTIONED?!

[tidal vapor]

What is monad that is a nonsense word and you can't change my mind

[tidal vapor]

If (bingus) {boingus} just doesn't hit the same

[silent cloak]

I need to pay someone to design me a website or something

UI/UX my beloathed

My site is always credited for my work on a project buts its just a WIP page lmao

[dull egret]

Alright, I'm gonna head off, go to the bathroom, and get ready to watch stream.

I have a work shift, later, so I can only stay maybe 3 hours, and would like to catch as much I can

[hard raptor]

This is why you should start with front end development and only then go to back-end

(also because you get to do cursed stuff like this:)
https://github.com/xAEmiloetjex/scss_runtime/blob/main/example/web_server.scss

[silent cloak]

eh

its closer to art than programming

chrchie does ui/ux for a day job but she doesnt write a single line of code for example (figma)

[hard raptor]

Programming is also an art tho?

[silent cloak]

i think its like comparing an architect to an engineer

they are different

[hard raptor]

i always feel like mozart writing one of his bangers after seeing my app start up and work properly

[silent cloak]

well thats just the euphoria of problem solving

which is always great

makes u feel like a reincarnation of einstein

[leaden crest]

hi programming

[silent cloak]

yes it i

[leaden crest]

oh what I missed atomic in programmi ng

[silent cloak]

john programming

[leaden crest]

can I marry you so my legal last name is programming too

[silent cloak]

sorry im taken

by the game

[hard raptor]

Well.. trust me.. what engineers have to put up with after receiving a design from an architect isn't even in the same league as art... it's just straight up black magic

[silent cloak]

ive heard plenty of horror stories

designers can get a little too creative

and ive spent 3 years doing this as a job in game design

[hard raptor]

i've seen my sister who is an architect crash out after an enigneer told her what she wanted is just impossible

[silent cloak]

the guy running the project was essentially a massive massive artist

and my whole job was to implement and lead the programming

so that meant we would often clash and compromise lmao

[hard raptor]

(and the engineer still made it work somehow)

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some stuff was just flat out impossible or too big of a pain in the ass to be worth it

i had to do ALOT of weird shader programming

[leaden crest]

rich?

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surprisingly yes

[leaden crest]

not surprising to me

[olive sable]

architect supposedly also have to do physics in college, but for some reason they never end up using that.

[silent cloak]

lmao

true

[hard raptor]

my sister never had to

[olive sable]

how did i never know you do game design?

[silent cloak]

its the thing ive done for most of my life

[hard raptor]

anyways, it is time for me to go again, have great day

[silent cloak]

I was doing Vedal's Secret 2 for a while too with NeuroSoda

[leaden crest]

bio

[silent cloak]

you too

[leaden crest]

what did vedal open a victoria’s secret

or is this a game reference

[hard raptor]

Wait.. PAUSE

[leaden crest]

I always knew he was a femboy

[hard raptor]

We don't need a second Vedal's secret lmao

[olive sable]

i dont read everyone's bio. i cant be bothered with the 200 different people that are in #programming

[silent cloak]

the game design document is massive

its just on pause for now

u couldnt begin to imagine its scale

lmao

[leaden crest]

why did I try to click on that as if we werent in #programming

[olive sable]

may i inquire as to why?

[silent cloak]

thats a question for Soda

[olive sable]

🥤

[tender river]

open world rpg

[olive sable]

[leaden crest]

@real sierra it’s next door happy birthday

[real sierra]

nope not here either

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

maybe you have the wrong address

[olive sable]

hi shiro

[real sierra]

hi Sam

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Rare Shir spotted

[leaden crest]

ill have to use pointers next time

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

shr

[sage crag]

shr when did you get demoted

[olive sable]

demoted to admin

[real sierra]

couple day ago

more work same pay

[tender river]

[olive sable]

"pay"

[sage crag]

ye

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