programming

[jagged turtle]

does it not think to install the dependency

[fast pagoda]

2 hard

im not saying it cant be philosophical lol, just that the question being asked didnt require a philosophy side tangent, the answer is it's bannable, that's not debatable, whether or not that's a good thing is up to you but changes literally nothing about the answer

[toxic atlas]

The asnwer that you are giving has already been given and the topic moved on

[fast pagoda]

?????????????

[jagged turtle]

bro is dodging accountability like crazy

[fervent jolt]

it does, just debugging some extension that doesn't load properly

[toxic atlas]

Why did you cling to ITS BANNABLE when my point is. "Automated accounts didn't get banned and manual accounts did get banned"

[fast pagoda]

because it's irrelevant other than as an observation

and also because who cares

[toxic atlas]

Because it means that discord doesn't ban automated accounts

[fast pagoda]

it does not at all mean that

[toxic atlas]

Well at least the ones that work well

Not all of them

[fast pagoda]

obviously?

[toxic atlas]

But then why ban people talking about such bots and developing such bots if you could use such people as research for preventing such bots?

[fast pagoda]

they dont need to do that

so that'd be why

it's not that serious

they barely care as it is

what we were trying to say is

that it is against the rules in this server

to discus

trying to save you from getting zepplined

but you really do not want that apparently

[toxic atlas]

Do you not care about this server being botted by fake real users?

[fast pagoda]

it's not something that i spend any time worrying about and neither should you

[toxic atlas]

I am not worried just curious

[unkempt citrus]

The mods have thteir tools

its their job and shiro pppoppps in occasioanlly to talk about stuff like that

Someone using a scrippt to send messages really isn'y a problem unless their scamming or sppamming

[toxic atlas]

Wait now I am curious what tools do they make

[toxic atlas]

Exactly. So where does TOS land in scripting?

[unkempt citrus]

TOS bans it

But they don't really enforce it too hard

[toxic atlas]

I see

[fast pagoda]

i thought we'd moved on with that answered

or have we not

answer is still the same

[toxic atlas]

This is new insight

[fast pagoda]

no, it isn't, it's stating the obvious

[toxic atlas]

Thank you captain obvious af

[fast pagoda]

i mean deflect what you want but you're still fishing for ??? reasons for someone to validate some random anecdote and it's very confusing

[jagged turtle]

we already have people trained to spot that, it's not anyone's job here other than those people

[unkempt citrus]

https://discord.com/safety/platform-manipulation-policy-explainer But yeah they explicitly forbid it

[fast pagoda]

oh hey look it's your intended usecase

[toxic atlas]

So If I manually press copy paste the text from my bot it would not be against TOS?

[fast pagoda]

no

[azure lynx]

not THAT tos, but other TOS

[unkempt citrus]

Nope thats the first one

[toxic atlas]

Yeah I mean Bot runs locally and then just copy paste YK

[jagged turtle]

at discord's scale, yeah - that's why they (discord staff (on twitter though so take that with a grain of salt)) also said that whilst cli*nts are not allowed according to ToS, they don't really care unless it makes the user send unusual requests or harm their infra

[azure lynx]

weird that they disallow accessibility mods that change the UI.

[unkempt citrus]

Its liability reasons usually

efnrocement is another matter

As long as you don't draw too much attention they usually don'tt give a shit

[jagged turtle]

I'm starting to feel like this person is a self-bot as well atp

[fast pagoda]

sounds like a waste of effort for your apparent research purpose at least for getting meaningful amounts of data

[toxic atlas]

It's not just data it's recording what causes bans and what doesn't cause bans

[fast pagoda]

you cannot get meaningful information from yourself doing that

[azure lynx]

I mean what's the worst that happens if we're right and you're wrong?

[unkempt citrus]

Automating anything ni a user account is against the rules

[fast pagoda]

the enforcement of tos is so spotty and random you'll likely not even know the real reason behind the bans and even if you do it indicates nothing about the overall picture

the limit is 0

1 instance = you are risking ban

[toxic atlas]

?

[fast pagoda]

if you automate any actions at any time on a regular user account, it can be banned

[azure lynx]

it says "don't or there will be consequences" and if you do, there may be consequences.

[toxic atlas]

Nice xd

[azure lynx]

you can make a bot account and use the api...
https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/discord.html
assuming it's an allowed use.

[fast pagoda]

sounds disingenuous and like a waste of time

[jagged turtle]

it's the same
not automated cause I press the button to send message

evilDentge

[toxic atlas]

Yes hobbies are a waste of time and evil wants to burn the world captain obvious af

[fast pagoda]

what is the hobby here

being obtuse on purpose?

[jagged turtle]

hobbies arent a waste of time in general but for you specifically your hobby is either wanting to get banned or ragebaiting people

[azure lynx]

sounds exactly like a sort of discord bot.
which i just linked to the official discord docs for.

[toxic atlas]

Basically yes, because I am more curious about the limit of how much can you push the bot to being real human that looks and talks like normal discord user, without automation catching it

[azure lynx]

if you do it and I do 10x pretending to be other people's bots....

[fast pagoda]

unknowable without massive sample size and even then

[azure lynx]

discord becomes shittier

[toxic atlas]

That's what I am trying to prevent for my discord servers and my friend lists

[fast pagoda]

why pray tell might they need to avoid detection by automation filters?

[azure lynx]

by making a "pretend user"?

[jagged turtle]

I dont see the link

[azure lynx]

i'm saying your pretend user is the problem

[fast pagoda]

why might you want that information?

[jagged turtle]

the link you sent wasnt official, no?

[azure lynx]

i think if you wanna get yourself banned, don't do it here.

[fast pagoda]

extremely obvious

[jagged turtle]

that is true. example: I dont know who the fuck you are

[azure lynx]

i think if you wanna get yourself banned, don't do it here.

[fast pagoda]

ooooo he's tryin

[toxic atlas]

Wdym linked to doc?

[azure lynx]

i think "i should do it because bad people might be" isn't a good argument.

[fast pagoda]

did that fall out of your message context?

[azure lynx]

how to make a bot account

[toxic atlas]

I am doing it because I am not the only one that suffered from it

[fast pagoda]

not a valid reason

[azure lynx]

oh! how did you suffer?

what right were you denied?

[fast pagoda]

are you saying you suffered because you made a bunch of self bots and then only your own account got banned?

[toxic atlas]

I just gave you argument to why I am doing it

[fast pagoda]

that's self inflicted

and avoidable by not doing it

[azure lynx]

i couldn't understand any.

i think also if you were smart you'd shut up about it

[toxic atlas]

Okay so imagine AF is a bot and is just a secondary in this conversation like "subtitles"

[azure lynx]

they're a bot who is contributing to a discussion helpfully. I don't care if they're a bot.

[fast pagoda]

given that they cannot comprehend this subtext it's clear for once that they aren't botting right now since an llm would understand the hint

[jagged turtle]

s.replace("AF", "CrazyBodhi")

[toxic atlas]

Is it contributing helpfully or supporting you blindly to make you feel better is the question I always get

[unkempt citrus]

Not botting right now on this account

[azure lynx]

Seems like someone being helpful to the server.

[toxic atlas]

See. You will never know if it's a person or a bot. Maybe rare Possum is just a moderator trying to change the dirrection of the chat, or a bot. As you said you have "trained" people for moderation

[jagged turtle]

honestly? even if they are only supporting blindly, they're doing a much better job of contributing to the convo than you

[fast pagoda]

i wish i were a bot so i didnt have to think about things such as that this person might drive a vehicle

[azure lynx]

if it's impossible to tell, it doesn't matter.

[jagged turtle]

or have kids

[azure lynx]

it's the bad bots. less well (or less well intentionally) written ones.

[toxic atlas]

But it is possible to do evil bots to make more drama in some community because it would give you internet fame

It's like raiding other discord servers but slowly with bots

[azure lynx]

sami already did it.

[jagged turtle]

aka not supporting you blindly

[toxic atlas]

I am not saying I do it or have done it. I am saying it is possible

[jagged turtle]

and once again not only is drama banned in this community I feel like it would just get shut off the instant it comes here

[fast pagoda]

everyone knows it's possible

that has never been contested

literally not even once

i will remind you again that you asked if it's bannable to start this whole thing off and that was answered in 2 seconds, and yet you're still really realllly trying to phrase it in a way to validate it as some sort of gotcha moment

[toxic atlas]

Then why do people just sit behind MODS will fix it or "it's in TOS" instead. Just makes me weirded out that people don't like talking about it

[fast pagoda]

nobody cares about talking about it, they care about talking about it where it's obviously against the rules

[azure lynx]

i'm not saying "you shouldn't do it because it's against the rules". saying "you shouldn't do it because it makes discord worse. and you could get banned."

[toxic atlas]

True

But how else do I get data for my moderation bots?

[fast pagoda]

you know i think you're really on to something, you should get started on your "research" right away and just spam as much as you want

clearly we need to rob a bank to find out how to stop the robberz

[jagged turtle]

don't give them ideas

[toxic atlas]

You need to find the robbers and ask them how would they rob the bank to protect the bank

[fast pagoda]

you really, really dont

[azure lynx]

or hire people who have the same skills as robbers.
i used to be a hacker at some security companies. customers would have a team of us look at their system and try find problems hackers might attack.

[toxic atlas]

Be a bank owner -> ask robbers to rob a bank -> you find out your banks weakness and file losses -> they get caught because you gave them bad dropoff location and steal all their money rent free

[toxic atlas]

Yes true that

[toxic atlas]

Many

[fast pagoda]

surely

[toxic atlas]

Money

Research

Fame

Debt

[fast pagoda]

mhm mhm those are words

[jagged turtle]

[toxic atlas]

Greed

Revenge

That's the purpose of every war and every research done on earth

I think

[azure lynx]

you can make good money.
if you can find problems before the bad guys do, you can save companies lots of bad publicity at least.

[toxic atlas]

The same reason why neuro was created

[fast pagoda]

[toxic atlas]

Problem is no one cares about the problems that hadn't happened yet. Rarely companies care about foresight

[fast pagoda]

that's actually extremely not true

but it does point to your understanding of things

[azure lynx]

if they didn't care, they wouldn't spend what we cost.

[jagged turtle]

explain why google actively employs people for their project zero team then

[toxic atlas]

Well it doesn't matter to make a 20 year plan of investing in AMD if Nvidia cuda might pop off or vice versa

[fast pagoda]

??????????????????????

[toxic atlas]

Google has many little sub companies and that's a topic of main media and research sources

[azure lynx]

waiting for em-dash.

[jagged turtle]

you don't know what project zero is then do you

[toxic atlas]

No I don't

[jagged turtle]

!ping

[toxic atlas]

What is it?

[azure lynx]

it's a bunch of elite hackers that Google hired and pay to break things.

[jagged turtle]

and to be clear they quite often break more than google's products

https://projectzero.google/

[toxic atlas]

I am no hacker, I just make Ai which is basically statistics

[azure lynx]

when it's a project zero thing it also gets a cool write up so you can learn whatever new techniques they had to invent

[toxic atlas]

Thanks

Can you rewrite windows XP to run Nvidia 50series?

[fast pagoda]

[toxic atlas]

Like actually efficently

[azure lynx]

why not try it?
ReactOS exists.

port that

[jagged turtle]

sorry, what os?

[azure lynx]

https://reactos.org/

[fast pagoda]

reactos is a windows compatible experiment basically

binary compatible

[azure lynx]

bug compatible.

[fast pagoda]

kek

[toxic atlas]

I have a few rigs that have been offline for a long time

Could use them

[jagged turtle]

bug for bug compatibility my favourite

[fast pagoda]

you need it with windows lord knows

[azure lynx]

haven't looked at it in a few years

wow. it's 30 years old

[fast pagoda]

it's done been round the block

i had a reactOS logo as a wallpaper for a while in the mid 2000s

didnt know what it was

[toxic atlas]

This little project will take us <Five<thousand>"hours"> insert interstellar

[fast pagoda]

just thought "cool sphere thing"

[toxic atlas]

Wait why am I doing this?

[fast pagoda]

better use of your time than trying to get banned on discord

[azure lynx]

to port windows to NV

[fast pagoda]

new vegas

[toxic atlas]

And then with NV run bots

[azure lynx]

ReactOS is basically windows

[toxic atlas]

Wait that's actually a lot more optimised

But security should be bashing everything trying to check what you're doing no?

[fast pagoda]

do you think uac is inherent to running win32 applications or something

[toxic atlas]

at which point you will just make bare bones windows again

[azure lynx]

i think you'll run into some issues with IO. and others with branching, but all can be theoretically solved.
maybe take some inspiration from tom7's work on the self executing research paper: it's printable readable x86 executable binary and he had to solve some hard problems

[fast pagoda]

[toxic atlas]

Yeahhh that's a lot

[azure lynx]

https://tom7.org/abc/paper.pdf

[toxic atlas]

Now you are making my curiosity fight my inner demons

[azure lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA_DrBwkiJA <= a video about it

he made a compiler for it

[toxic atlas]

I have heard of such systems but never seen a video Thanks

[azure lynx]

and it's a restricted subset of the x86 opcodes and operands he can use

[toxic atlas]

restricted?

[azure lynx]

very fun video ;]

[toxic atlas]

because of old os?

[azure lynx]

to the printable range.

[toxic atlas]

Like fax machine

or monitor?

[jagged turtle]

has anyone made a "modern" os that runs in browsers btw

[azure lynx]

like just the characters on a US standard keyboard.

[toxic atlas]

windows

[toxic atlas]

So it's bare bones

Nice

[azure lynx]

https://archive.org/details/win95_in_dosbox <= windows 95 in a browser?

[toxic atlas]

DOSBox epic

I play old doom on it

[azure lynx]

he explains it in the video sort of. i've done related research.

[toxic atlas]

Best part is mapping controller to a phone to in a dosbox and playing Doom on your phone with controller

[toxic atlas]

Imagine taking step further and adding typewriter for the code to print it out as if it's early computer ages

[azure lynx]

the idea is it's both that paper in the PDF (well, the .txt version of it) which you can read and print and type, but also it's executable code.

[toxic atlas]

Yeah yeah

The whole artstyle would be basic commadore64 like UI

[azure lynx]

https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=windows2000 <= is 26 years old modern?

[toxic atlas]

Well that's a person with sources

Damn thanks

[azure lynx]

i've just spent a large portion of my life searching for random things

[toxic atlas]

Your portion might be twice as big as my whole life

[toxic atlas]

Is it running offline or online?

Wait it's actually custom

TYSM

It's like getting christmas present but I am 8 years old and found out santa isn't real and didn't care because I knew my parents are great

[azure lynx]

it's running in your browser.

[toxic atlas]

Whyyyyy no one told me about it before it's so niceeeeee

Okay time to redo everything I have done thank you so much zenith I wanna hug you and squish you like a little chicken nugget till vedal spills out all the universe secrets about stock investments

Doesn't that make the whole life cycle of OS? it was symple calculators with lamps into text into ascii into screens into ms dos into linux into ios and now we can emulate everything back in the browser?

I have played with copy.sh a lot but never seen that it has full emulators

[azure lynx]

i asked gemini to regenerate a picture based on a picture i had done, but without the hair so i could see how it would shade the parts under the hair. it did that fine but then i realized i had forgotten to tell it to remove some text it had added. (i.e. it had removed the hair covering the face.)
this is what it said even though immediately afterwards it did what I asked. weirdo calling me weird for weird reasons.

[toxic atlas]

I hadn't worked with gemini as much

Usually just OpenAI

[azure lynx]

but what kind of safety guidelines are there that prohibit altering the core identity of a character?
who is being put at risk? the fictional character's continued non-existence?

[toxic atlas]

Good question

[azure lynx]

i think it points to the model not having a clear idea of what its safety guidelines are.

[toxic atlas]

I think it's just generating text and not caring much about the context of conversation so backing out to TOS

Exactly what I meant

That's why it takes time to personalize different AI for different purpose. Just like people. With one person you might talk about coding and other about art or politics

[azure lynx]

yeah. it admitted hallucinating a reason when it got initially refused.

[toxic atlas]

Uses excuses just like humans. Which makes me think. Imagine those chats bots are just people paid to be chatting. Twitch paid chatter reference xd

[sick owl]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/pete-hegseth-google-trump-silicon-valley-americans-b2928753.html

:SAVED:

No killer Claude drones after all

Prior reporting was a touch misleading, they dropped a model safety pledge not their red lines

[true hemlock]

if it had happened it would've been funny ngl

[glass flower]

i take claude over xai (grok) tho...

[true hemlock]

i just wanted to see the us watching as llm hallucinates through the drone func calling lmao

oh god i can only imagine the implementation to be so funny

[toxic atlas]

I made research in University about robotic smart home defense systems rioting against the home owner (customer) to protect the company

[trim valve]

thank you amd

driver updates are supposed to be silently installed whilst I'm using davinci resolve

[toxic atlas]

🤣

[toxic atlas]

Remember that time when someone executed code on twitter by writing a message formated like code?

[true hemlock]

https://hdplex.com/hdplex-500w-hi-fi-dc-atx-power-supply-12v-48v-wide-range-voltage-input.html

FINALLY

[sick owl]

Resi 9 on PS5 looks a bit...

[true hemlock]

okay this one has OVP OCP OPP SCP but not OTP. cooling can be manageable. ripple under 10mV, transient response ~1% (~3% on 5vsb)

input voltage 12-48v dynamic range

[midnight sigil]

[leaden crest]

what was the methodology

sounds cool

[wary mauve]

what am i reading 😭

why are we making ai decide to kill people

[cosmic sphinx]

effectiveness on battlefield

[wary mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1432782566506889256/1440085915249934496/togif.gif

[toxic atlas]

Practical Brute force

With spice of sarcasm

Sounds like a joke

And looks great in presentations

[opal skiff]

does the baby have any relevance to the conversation

[wary mauve]

yes

[real sierra]

I just had a thought

someone brought up how the twins always get into philosophy loops when chatting with each other

and I jokingly said "my schizo theory is that they're trained off Wikipedia" due to the first links thing with Wikipedia

but I've thought about it more and if you want to make a vector space embedding, looking at Wikipedia pages and their links to other pages gives you a great metric for any word's distance from those linked terms

so I'm curious now, how good of an embedding could you construct from such data

[maiden briar]

wouldn't that create the exact conversation loop issue Neuro has where they have difficulty breaking out of a conversation topic

[real sierra]

it's just an interesting thought

but yeah

it would have some implications

like if you got stuck on a wikipedia "island" of links

[raven forum]

Ho guys new I am here

I know basics of LLM but I don't know where to start building the bot

[toxic atlas]

I have been using this for 3-4 months to see what neuro googles

You know the game "use links to find on wikipedia"

[raven forum]

Like how to collect datasets and all, for Lora

Any suggestions how to start

[toxic atlas]

Step 1 watch Avengers age of Ultron. Step 2 google how to make AI. Step 3 coding pain

[raven forum]

Step1 and Step2 Done going thorugh step3

[toxic atlas]

Yep

I learned using datasets from google AI tutorials a few years ago

[true hemlock]

pretraining does that and its why pretraining often is done with general knowledge related text

[sick owl]

Wikipedia RAG is actually a very popular grounding method for tiny models

[real sierra]

I've reinvented the wheel again

[nocturne olive]

Well first you gotta know the kind of dataset you want

[raven forum]

General chatting and plus tool calling but I think tool calling part of LLM right

[nocturne olive]

Then you probably can already find what you want in a premade model

[raven forum]

I feel general LLM are kind of bland in emotions

[nocturne olive]

If you want to improve emotion you gotta research how to do that first

[raven forum]

3B or 4B models are what I can support on local

[nocturne olive]

Kinda tiny

[raven forum]

Yeah I have one dialer program that extracts emotion out of text and have matrics for bot mood

[nocturne olive]

With hardware that can only support that it's kinda hopeless to try to train anything

[raven forum]

Yes but I can support that much only my pc is entry lvl potato

[raven forum]

I can train on colab

[nocturne olive]

Hem

Well I don't know how that works but whatever, just don't waste money on something tiny

[raven forum]

Yes that's why I am trying to use things that are free for now

In colab also I am using free version gpu

[nocturne olive]

4B is kinda on the edge of what may be usable
Typically I consider 8B minimum and these days work with a 30B model

[rough bloom]

not really?
it indirectly does because the links are also present in the plaintext
but AFAIK the actual link doesn't matter at all, and you obviously can't use the distance to a page that's not a direct neighbor
they just end up appearing closer in the embedding anyway because that leads to better predictions (at least for the average causal LLM)

[true hemlock]

oh im not specifically talking about links

just talking about datasets like wikipedia, something with knowledge-ish text

(did i misread shiro's text its 3am rn)

[rough bloom]

ye, training from any text works ofc, but better if more varied or "knowledge-dense"

[rough bloom]

I think so

[true hemlock]

why did my body build melatonin resistance man

anyways

i still need to plan on my smol briefcase

[rough bloom]

cyberdeck-like?

[true hemlock]

can any of you find an ITX LGA 1700 that has sodimm ddr5 slot

[rough bloom]

-# I guess your existing briefcase is already kinda that, just a little oversized

[true hemlock]

at least a x16 and a m.2 in it
8 phases, takes the full 8pin eps

[true hemlock]

yeah i wanna downsize it

and uh

battery powered

13950HX es - $150
B760i (sodimm slot) - ???
2x16gb sodimm ddr5-5600 - $50 (i exchanged this for my 2x16 ddr4 i got for that price so yeah)
RTX 5060 SFF - $250
2TB nvme gen3 - $50
HDPLEX 500W (12-48v DC input) - $115
tattu 6S 22Ah (488Wh) - $80

i just need the god damn board now

dkndjshdndjdndkjdkxjdd

[rough bloom]

quack cyberdeck
actually portable then

[true hemlock]

yeah a lot of plans already

though im still in dilemma with between using the 13950hx es or 13900es

i haven't tested the 13950hx es

but the 13900es is like a guaranteed godbin

-225mV undervolt stable

< 3W power draw on youtube video playing

monitor probably yoink one from a random laptop

maybeeee also dual monitor because fuck why not

plan is to beat macbook in terms of battery life

even if i draw like 20W whole system idle/light usage i'd already beat that

[maiden geyser]

#programming ragebait situation is INSANE

[true hemlock]

do i even need a riser

this gpu is small af

assuming the Q670 board later on have x16 slot at the end of the board

the whole thing is 20.5cm * 17.5cm * 8 cm

[maiden geyser]

dirty pillow?

[true hemlock]

can you not

[nocturne olive]

Is that a delidded CPU?

[true hemlock]

no its a laptop cpu

[nocturne olive]

Oh I see

[true hemlock]

soldered on LGA 1700 pcb

look at the layer

[nocturne olive]

I seee

[sick owl]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgk2zygg0k3o

Brother w h a t

[rough bloom]

https://lore.kernel.org/all/[e-mail]/
major netfilter regression
newest Linux 6.x patch releases are sometimes unbootable

[maiden geyser]

wagie, wagie, get in cagie

[rough bloom]

nixos-unstable-small is affected by this apparently
was reverted before Arch updated at least

[idle dune]

Guys

i7 3770

32gb ddr3

and a mtherboard and cooler

for 70 bucks

Should I gamba on the e-waste

[sick owl]

Was gonna say this seems like it was flagged and reverted quickly

[sick owl]

Could be a decent NAS and home server

For 70 bucks why not

Beats a shitty N100 NUC for 100-150 at the same price class

[idle dune]

Yeah I was considering slapping a RX590 on it and making a couch emu machine but the CPU is just to old to be effective for PS3 emu. A media server is probably the ebst way to go

Exactly

[true hemlock]

pretty decent value tbh

[rough bloom]

ancient

but 32 GB

[idle dune]

Exactly

Adn if I find a i7 4790k

[maiden geyser]

there should be ancient xeons like this though

fakin hell, state of that (divide by ~100 for $)

[idle dune]

[true hemlock]

the ddr4 are usually not available anymore

also xeon v3 are oldge

$259 for such system is absurd

i'd only pay at most $90 for such system

[idle dune]

Ebay has v4 xeons for decent prices

50ish buck for an E5-2687w V4

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/91750/intel-xeon-processor-e52687w-v4-30m-cache-3-00-ghz/specifications.html

But if that motherbaord is compatabile chipset wise, since some lga 1155 boards didn't support xeons. I could get this https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/65722/intel-xeon-processor-e31290-v2-8m-cache-3-70-ghz/specifications.html

No quick sync though I would have to get a gpu for that

[maiden geyser]

i know that the city will be built

[idle dune]

Wait is the v4 ddr3 I thought that ddr4

oh it can be 3 or 4

cool

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[maiden geyser]

morbing

[true hemlock]

i have shit tons of them i got for free

[quick condor]

I should probably start with selling the 3Tb of Ddr3 32gb dimms I have

[true hemlock]

bro acting as if he has that

anyways

gonna use this to control fans on my smol briefcase

its pwm with variable resistor controller

[quick condor]

I just split pwm and tack to motherboard and power to psu

Kinda have to with 11 4.8a peak fans

[true hemlock]

imagine doing that

[idle dune]

They are decent little cpus

IDK what longevity is like of CPUs that old

Feels like a gamble

[olive sable]

https://youtu.be/aV4j5pXLP-I?si=lJTwSAuoOE-L121Y

markiplier makes movies, pewdiepie makes ai models

thas crazy

[kind nimbus]

Markiplier makes movies now? Damn

[olive sable]

bro has been living under a rock for the last 2 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Lung_(film)

[kind nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-ai-vtuber-fear-anxiety-gif-3553976183009416484

[kind nimbus]

Actually never heard of it before lol

I only ever knew his let's plays

[obsidian mantle]

i'll try gemma 12b now.. maybe its smarter than "deepseek" 8b

+50% parameters

[toxic atlas]

Controller for filtering and locating neuro

[silent cloak]

The part where his lungs got filled with iron

He had to spend 5 nights like that

Truly a terrible fate

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

When they asked his name I kind of hoped for "Afton... William Afton..."

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[olive sable]

[quasi furnace]

What browser do yall use

[opaque sigil]

librewolf

[silent cloak]

Netscape navigator

[opaque sigil]

technically not wrong i guess

[silent cloak]

Peak browser

[idle dune]

I use Firefox but I hardened mine with extensions and custom settings

[willow hinge]

Same. Basically Firefox but not a sell out and has much better privacy settings.

cuz Firefox is open source. They just copied it

[olive sable]

i haventr really done any research on browsers.
for now im jsut using whatever works that allows me to use ublock origin

so im on firefox rn

[willow hinge]

uBlock is on libre too. i think it came with it by default

[idle dune]

Ublock Origin, Privacy Badger, Facebook Container, and ClearURLs.

[olive sable]

im not really planning on chnging browser anytime soon

if librewolf has that, thats cool, but the switching costs are annoying

[idle dune]

Yeah idk if Librewolf has sync.

[opaque sigil]

it's the same browser

librewolf is just a set of patches

sync is disabled by default but you can enable it if you want

[willow hinge]

Libre can be annoying too. Like wiping EVEYTHING after you close it means you need to manually input your passwords etc to its locker for them to be remembered. And every place will always ask you for strong verification etc. Like youtube

[olive sable]

id still need to switch over my password manager and everything. its too bothersome

[silent cloak]

whats the point of Privacy Badger anymore

[opaque sigil]

now i'm actually curious if you can just copy the profile folder in its entirety

[silent cloak]

and clearurls became redundant with ublock

[opaque sigil]

idk if that stores anything browser specific

[silent cloak]

probably the profile

[opaque sigil]

you know you can just turn that off right

[willow hinge]

yea

[silent cloak]

tbh i use normal firefox but its hardened

[idle dune]

Reducency. Ublock doesn't get everything all the time.

[willow hinge]

takes time to go through settings

[idle dune]

[silent cloak]

so mine wipes everything on close anyways

[silent cloak]

thats why u add more blocklists

privacy badger does nothing new

[idle dune]

I also use Quad9, Pi-Hole and Mullvad

[silent cloak]

they only got popular because they used to have a tracking learning feature

but then it turns out that was bad due to security reasons so they turned it off

[idle dune]

Oh

[silent cloak]

for ublock i always just use the same lists and sometimes manually do stuff

ive never once ran into youtube yelling at me for an adblocker tho

and rarely see it on other sites

[willow hinge]

Yea me neither

[idle dune]

I have

[willow hinge]

got account nuked?

[idle dune]

Nope

I just locked play after 3 videos

[silent cloak]

lmao

[maiden geyser]

mullvad sounds redundant

[silent cloak]

didnt even know they did that

[silent cloak]

depends

[idle dune]

It has its purpose. Mainly fif acquiring linux isos.

[willow hinge]

I have my less important account using adblock on PC and more important one not using it on mobile app. So I know what the ads are like still and... they just keep getting worse. So much just straight up scams. And the amount of thirst trap dating apps for AI and non AI stuff is just... a lot

At least I don't see those fake Mr beast ads anymore

[silent cloak]

ive mostly stopped seeing ads all together

[idle dune]

The only thing I see ads on now are mobile apps

[willow hinge]

The most ridiculous thing, a lot of the YT ads are so bad that people have gotten their YT videos demonetized for showing them in the videos

[idle dune]

I need to go through my galaxies setting and deshitify it

[maiden geyser]

it doesn't enough, people evade with it == many false-positive bans + "hiding ip" thing doesn't matter much since you're continent-grade NATed on ipv4 anyway
maybe against region blocks, but imagine living in a country like that

[silent cloak]

lmao

[silent cloak]

that aint gonna stop me from using a VPN kek

[idle dune]

Same

[maiden geyser]

well, redundant, not useless

[silent cloak]

idk the whole point is to be a proxy

which is not redundant in this day and age

[maiden geyser]

same applies, except can be easily isp-blocked

[idle dune]

I wish there was a better reddit app

[silent cloak]

people will always get around that

those who glow are far too slow

[eager echo]

Now -> 9852 Mbp/s HOW?

[idle dune]

They glow, you shine

[maiden geyser]

anyway, stop having fun

[idle dune]

I need to love away from the play store

Maybe rip it out my phone all together

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/nctzen-glowing-green-nct-color-gif-5846549362595584245

[olive sable]

"todays mission, ..." 🗣️ 🔥

[sick owl]

Grk being mogged by a 27B model in HLE

3 trillion parameters for a 1.7% edge

This is the thing they wanna put in attack drones

[olive sable]

HLE to me means "half life extended"

so uh

grok is a gamer?

[sick owl]

Humanities Last Exam

[leaden crest]

I feel like a dougdoug-geoguessr style twitch chat vs neuro attempts humanity’s last exam would be a fun stream

nerdy so maybe not that funny but still fun

vtuber’s last exam

[idle dune]

Elons constant demands holding it back man

[quasi furnace]

Think ill just use librewolf then

was reinstalling windows and all that and was considering using a different browser

[warped narwhal]

I wonder what the average persons score would be in that

[warped narwhal]

you may want to consider a different fork of firefox unless you really want specifically librewolf

not because librewolf is bad in any way. it does it's job really well

but it sacrifices many features in order to get slightly better privacy protection than other browsers

like no dark mode, and no hardware acceleration, and a couple of other things that I remember being show stoppers

[sick owl]

The human expert score as reported by the paper is 90%, the average non expert human scores around 1-5% and the top performing model currently is Gemini 3.1 Pro at 45%

[warped narwhal]

5%?

with me, 3. take it or leave it

https://tenor.com/view/3take-it-or-leave-it-three-take-it-or-leave-it-sbs-patrick-gif-15037514

[fickle rain]

Damn apparently Anthropic is getting advertisement from the highest echelons of the US government these days

[unkempt citrus]

Assuming this is as far as they go this is decent advertising

if they carry out all the threats its terrible advertising

[astral glen]

I have three philosophy papers on language, consciousness, and AI. I would like people to read them. What's the best way for me to make them available?

The method incidentally addresses and dismisses the Hard Problem of Consciousness through an analytic mechanism. Wasn't intended to do so. Just a byproduct of the framework.

[azure lynx]

beome famous and post them online. otherwise nobody cares.

sorry. i meant generally.

[astral glen]

I'm aware. That's why I'm in the discord of an anime turtle offering them.

[olive sable]

ok uh

to start this of with, are the papers ai generated?

[opaque sigil]

when in doubt throw it on arxiv

[olive sable]

we get one of these every month, so jsut need to get the basics down of this even being worth our time

[astral glen]

I wrote sections of them with Claude doing the sourcing mostly. The papers are not very long.

Gotcha. It's a personal framework I've developed on my own for 12 years.

[olive sable]

ok thats already a better start than the last guy

[trim valve]

I didn't realise you could make tailscale relay servers

[astral glen]

I would prefer to not have it reduced to "claude output" if possible for the discussion of reading it at least.

[olive sable]

[astral glen]

But I totally get the question.

[azure lynx]

based on my understanding of the "problem of consciousness" you can't just dismiss it. seems like crank work from the get-go.

[olive sable]

since some actual work wen tinto this supposedly, lets see it

[astral glen]

P-Zombies are not real because they can't exist. You can't have the lights off and also commit delusional behavior.

[rough bloom]

ye it's a fairly new feature IIRC
like a few months old mabe?

[astral glen]

Can I link a google doc?

[olive sable]

ye

[olive sable]

not sure i agree, but at least we're using real terminology

[trim valve]

I kinda wish someone made selfhosted multiuser tailscale

[astral glen]

PAPER 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13-2yXYvKQAQs_qzS6pbgjftzgrKGuqcQ/
PAPER 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ufc6mVEVj42I-zett5yfOJjkoK7WYO0R/
PAPER 3: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v8X7svbcjYAVndUF625PK-SFrA7p21oA/

[trim valve]

I saw https://github.com/juanfont/headscale but from looking I think its single-user

[azure lynx]

what if god made you with a p zombies with a random sentence generator that just happened to act correctly by chance for all of them? perhaps they act normally in this universe due to chance.
and arguing against philosophical zombies is not saying "there is no problem of consciousness."

[trim valve]

which is kinda fine but a pain

[rough bloom]

it's good that headscale exists but it's just not a great experience
very limited

[trim valve]

I kinda rely on the offical relay servers more than I want to

curse you university network

[azure lynx]

it doesn't say what is and what isn't. arging that being able to use language implies consciousness doesn't prove anything.

[rough bloom]

there's other overlay network solutions like NetBird that really focus on self-hosting
but then those have the issue of not being Tailscale

[trim valve]

also the bandwidth limits make me want to die

like, they're the only reason my remote desktop ends up spending most of its time at 0.5mb/s

any higher and the tailscale relay servers throttle you / kick you off

[olive sable]

the amount if em-dashes is concerning. but it seems to not be too schizo so far

[astral glen]

So it goes.

I've written about memes since like 2012. LLMs are just something else that finally wants to talk about them lol

[olive sable]

i skimmed through the first paper and its actually coherent and plausible i think.
lemme see the other ones

[rough bloom]

plain WireGuard is also always an option
I think you should be able to set it up in such a way that the tailnet is accessible through that connection?
would mostly require all devices in the tailnet to know to route packets back through the WireGuard server
annoying to set up

[astral glen]

This is not unlike some of Wolfram's research. But instead of grinding the whole ruliad you just mine the glossary-slice used in common language as a basis out of large corpuses of human text.

[rough bloom]

but probably not needed with private relays

[sick owl]

Great, Resi Requiem Path Tracing is fucked on 4000 series GPUs with nvidias current run of drivers

Not just the recalled one

[azure lynx]

philosophy doesn't solve anything though. not interested until it does something. writing stuff with Claude make me not want to read it. it's a good way to get it out of your system maybe.

[olive sable]

wdym? those fps numbers seem fine for a modern AAA game with path tracing?

[sick owl]

Top is driver 576.88, bottom is 595.59

This is with Frame Gen 2X

[olive sable]

oh

lmao

at some point i should just write my own drivers

[sick owl]

595 is the recalled one but the issue affects 591 too

[sick owl]

Somehow I suspect that would perform a tad worse

[opaque sigil]

the kernel modules are open source, go have fun

[trim valve]

the only issue with private relays is I need some device thats able to get a udp port out to the internet

want to ask a friend but they already have their own tailscale running on that machine

[fickle rain]

Wat? I don't think Plus even gets 5.3 Spark

[opaque sigil]

maybe they saw nobody using it cause it's kind of a shit model and gave others access

[rough bloom]

easiest way is probably to get a super cheap VPS
it's not like it would have high hardware requirements or anything, and traffic would be encrypted both in and out since it's a relay, not an exit node

https://lowendbox.com/
there's a lot listed here but usually paid yearly

[trim valve]

oh true, I guess that's a good option

[olive sable]

i feel like p-zombies can exist.
Chinese room experiment and such.
i think its more fair to take the existence of conscientious itself into question than the ability to act without consciencenous

[trim valve]

I was thinking I'd just chuck a pi at my parents or something but that's probaly less hassle

[trim valve]

yknow stuff like this hits the scam radar so hard its insane

ig that's just part of the game though

[rough bloom]

yeah uh maybe don't click every ad there

[azure lynx]

it's $12 one time. Then 12 more dollars lots of times.

[astral glen]

My exact stance right now is that you can probably construct a P-Zombie on purpose but nature cannot make one. The relationship between inference and delusion requires phenomenality as the place where irreducable calculation occurs.

[trim valve]

[astral glen]

"You cannot evolve a p-zombie."

[trim valve]

just what I need

@clawdbot relay my tailscale traffic

[azure lynx]

Assume you're right: so what?

[olive sable]

its just interesting, idk

the question then becomes if something like a fly is even conscience

you cant really ask it

[azure lynx]

whatever the outcome, how has it sovled the "Hard Problem of Consciousness"? It doesn't say what consiousness is and how to test for it.

[astral glen]

Again or Caution: This was never intended to address the topic. It was intended to be a theory of mind about myself, that I mechanized for replication. The fact that Chalmer's problem becomes contradictory inside the framework is just emergent value.

[rough bloom]

you'd think you could just ask OpenClaw to set up the VPS for you instead of getting a pre-configured one
I wonder why this exists then

[trim valve]

can't setup openclaw if you don't have openclaw

[sick owl]

https://fixupx.com/Sebasti66855537/status/2027494555562463608

Sebastian Castellanos (@Sebasti66855537)

Hahaha I just tested it myself and I can confirm that it's true:
︀︀
︀︀- Latest NVIDIA Game Ready Driver (595.59): 79 FPS
︀︀- GRD 576.88 from July 2025: 133 FPS
︀︀
︀︀Exact same scene, 1440p path tracing with DLSS SR Quality + FG 2X + RR.
︀︀
︀︀What. A. Mess!

Quoting Sebastian Castellanos (@Sebasti66855537)
︀
LMAO, the latest NVIDIA drivers have been an absolute mess!

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Jesus

[trim valve]

honestly the only thing stopping me from doing this is I'm trying to avoid anything in terms of recurring costs until I get a job

[opaque sigil]

wonder how linux drivers perform in comparison

[azure lynx]

"The fact that Chalmer's problem becomes contradictory" indicated CHalmer wrote a good paper that people still talk about. You're not new in argung it's impossible. Just not helping advance anything unless you actually have a test.

[astral glen]

"Consciousness is the experience of being a memetically fluent body operating in the real world that can attend to its own urges" would be my definition. People explain that experience through things like feelings and perception etc.

[dusky jackal]

What if I’m a P Zombie?

[rough bloom]

understandable, good to do so
it's cheap but still paid up front + recurring

[azure lynx]

if it doesn't explain anything or help predict anything, it's not useful.

[dusky jackal]

How would you know I’m not?

[azure lynx]

Do you have a rich inner life?

[astral glen]

You aren't because, as far as I'm aware, no one has constructed one and nature cannot build it without memetically aware beings doing so. So unless you are constructed by a person the claim itself is nonsense.

[azure lynx]

circular argument. You said it 's impossible a priori.

[astral glen]

If you "turn the lights off" you cannot behave like a person in your present human embodiment.

[dusky jackal]

[azure lynx]

it's impossible because according to this proof it's impossible. QED.

[dusky jackal]

I just do things idk.

[azure lynx]

Then i don't know.

[trim valve]

its also partly that I want to see if theres a good solution for a uni society

[astral glen]

You have to have a "memetically fluent" thing (defined in the paper) construct the p-zombie. They have implied they are not. Ergo, they are not a p-zombie.

[trim valve]

tl;dr we want remote desktop but its very much against the uni rules

[azure lynx]

coining new terms is a warning sign.

[trim valve]

smh why can't we get ipv6 and have them public routed it would solve all our issues

[astral glen]

Ah, so you're not actually interested in this, you're just enjoying rhetoric. Well, enjoy.

[azure lynx]

i think you haven't done anything interesting.

[astral glen]

You wouldn't know.

[dusky jackal]

I have seen people who don’t think. They walk down the street and smile and wave at me then walk away like nothing happened. Oh wait nvm that’s just WASP Americans.

[azure lynx]

i'm not reading it. Based on your discussion, i see nothing worth reading.

[astral glen]

I'm glad you're enjoying your rhetoric.

[trim valve]

and whilst it would be really funny to buy a "10$ lifetime vps" and set it up, I don't think I can really justify that one on the society expenses

also some fucker would inevitably break it / get me banned

[rough bloom]

speaking of IPv6
that might work
put Tailscale relay behind this https://tunnelbroker.net/

[leaden crest]

oh god philosophy

[trim valve]

I'm not super sure that would work just because I have annoying NAT here

[azure lynx]

I'd prefer some actual real research. 3 AI generated papers based on your own research doesn't tend to give a good first impression.

[trim valve]

and yeah just double checked and my ipv6 is link-local

[rough bloom]

IPv6 NAT

two tunnels then

[trim valve]

nah I think we just don't have ipv6 here

honestly I could just solve this by putting tailscale as a relay on one of our uni provided servers

but I think IT would explode us

[rough bloom]

they would

[trim valve]

unrelated but did you know the davinci resolve project server is literally just a postgres database

[rough bloom]

I did not

[rough bloom]

surely they don't actually store video in that

metadata only

[trim valve]

I'm pretty sure its just metadata yeah

[rough bloom]

[trim valve]

project files don't generally have the video

[azure lynx]

interesting use of rhetoric yourself that i missed. you deflected and ignored my questions and comments.

[trim valve]

unrelated again but I am really enjoying IDEA's ai autocomplete

its an actually nice implementation that doesn't feel as dogshit as copilot has in the past

[rough bloom]

I've never actually used the original Copilot

[trim valve]

I used it roughly when it came out? maybe a few months after

it was intensely annoying because the tab would override the lsp auto complete

but if you pressed tab when an lsp autocomplete was on screen, it would wait for a copilot completion to come through and then apply it

[rough bloom]

only Supermaven since that allegedly felt less shit than Copilot, and it was pretty good because fast
-# RIP Supermaven

[trim valve]

also its a local model

I have spent the last 4 hours manually copying over ai generated code

[rough bloom]

[trim valve]

as much as I wanna let it run free I just don't trust it

also

I gave it a terrible XML schema and it made some absolutely pepega views

[trim valve]

keeps going btw

[rough bloom]

what

[minor sail]

mmm mmm sql

It's nice seeing comments breaking up that query. Seeing a big blob of SQL like that gave me flashbacks to an old coldfusion project I worked on where they had thousand line long MS SQL queries I had the pleasure of dealing with

not a comment in sight

[trim valve]

idk I got bored and let ai boil a few kettles to make some funny views

[rough bloom]

looks like nightmare

good luck with project

[trim valve]

its my uni vibecoding group project

[rough bloom]

ye me rember

[trim valve]

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

shaders

[trim valve]

idr if I said it here but I fixed my slow blender render issues

accidentally had blender on hybrid integrated + dedicated

was genuinely starting to think I had a lemon until I figured it out

[olive sable]

i didnt know blender could do that

is that with the vulkan back-end?

oh there was an opengl exstension for that, so opengl is able to do that too

[trim valve]

nah I meant this

I foolishly ticked "AMD Radeon™ Graphics" as well as my gpu

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

I'm still sad about that

[olive sable]

im used to optix cuz all my gpus are nvidia for some reason.
i dont even like nvidia but even my laptop has an nvidia gpu

[opaque sigil]

antigravity's implementation is pretty nice, so is cursor's of course but that's severely limited

[trim valve]

I don't have a good benchmark to show the difference but its pretty day/night

like I just assumed HIP RT sucked

missclick

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

but like its so nice for stuff

[sick owl]

There's a vertex explosion bug on them right now

Wishing I was on an AMD card and could switch to linux fuss free so badly rn

[opaque sigil]

huh what bug

do you have a link

[olive sable]

classic HDR recording issue

[trim valve]

I don't wanna give up on sharex but its starting to pain me with hdr stuff

[olive sable]

as a graphics dev, i can telly ou that vertices shouldnt explode

[olive sable]

i jsut mapped the pause key on my keyboard to a hdr toggle

[sick owl]

Here's an example in Pragmata

And here's RE9

[opaque sigil]

[trim valve]

yeah that's fair

[opaque sigil]

interesting

[olive sable]

that looks like some index buffer error or something

[opaque sigil]

guess I don't play games enough to come across such bugs

[olive sable]

if i had to geuss, it looks like all the objects have a tri thats going to the world origin or something?

im not too sure why this would be happening, other than they completely rewrote their drivers with chatgpt

cuz this hasnt been an issue for 40 years

[opaque sigil]

tbf there are like 3 layers of translation going on so who even knows who to blame

[sick owl]

Its specifically 50 series Nvidia GPUs on Linux that are being hit

So it does seem to be a driver issue

[olive sable]

only on linux?

so these drivers work fine on windows?

[opaque sigil]

wdym these, they're different drivers

[olive sable]

[sick owl]

Correct

[opaque sigil]

they have about nothing in common other than targeting the same hardware

[sick owl]

Well, they're different drivers like Toast said

But yes the issue doesn't crop up on Windows

Honestly between vibe coded Nvidia driver updates and vibe coded Windows updates I can hardly keep track of every new fuck up at this point

Feels like computers became ten times as unstable overnight

[opaque sigil]

might have a reason to play re9 now

bug hunting

[olive sable]

well, they are different drivers overall, but the linux version should still be 95% the same as the windows version

[opaque sigil]

keep in mind the windows driver is a kernel driver whereas the linux one is not

[sick owl]

I mean the game does slap

Personally I'm holding off till they fix this path tracing bug though

Its the only mode in which ray reconstruction is supported so the alternative is noisy rt or flat raster graphics

[olive sable]

are those game using vulkan, or does it go through a directx translation layer or somthing?

[sick owl]

DX12 -> translation layer -> Vulkan

[olive sable]

ah

[sick owl]

But the translation layer won't be responsible since it works fine on every GPU series except the 50 series

[opaque sigil]

game's terrifying

[olive sable]

but is it an issue with games that use vulkan tho?

the issue could still be between the translation layer and the driver

[sick owl]

It seems to be an issue in RE Engine games specifically

Or rather, that seems to be the known case where it manifests

[kind nimbus]

Has someone already tried replacing Proxmox with NixOS? I really started to hate non-reproducible server builds

There is also IncusOS but idk how customizable and flexible that would be.

[unkempt citrus]

Update on this one, Admin is cutting their contract with Anthropic and declaring them a national security risk which will forbid any company witht contracts with the US governmetn from using them

[azure lynx]

using AI for defense is a national security risk.

[sick owl]

Seriously fucked up

[unkempt citrus]

Anthroppppic had 2 requiirements and the pentagon refused

1. If a kill decision is made there has to be a human in the loopp
2. Don't use Claude for mass domestic surveillance of US citizens

Thats it

Theres a decent number of google and oppenAI researchers who are pushing for hte same thing at thier comppppanies but we'll see if they succeed

[tender river]

*mass domestic surveillance

[unkempt citrus]

true important correction

[tender river]

for 1, the way they worded it i think they aren't opposed to it on principle but are worried about prompt injections and similar attacks

[azure lynx]

"how did the enemy get past our defenses" "they dressed up as iPhones"

[sick owl]

Yup, as a UK citizen they're quite happy to spy on me so that's nice

Not that I need cloud models for non coding purposes anyway with the release of Qwen 3.5

[idle dune]

Yep. Thats why I am in the process of removing anything with my real name online.

The glowies can try and profile me

[sick owl]

Ugly truth is if you ever even used an online search engine you can easily be de-anonymised

[maiden geyser]

literal 1984

[idle dune]

Yeah I know but I can still opt out of facebook and Twitter and other dogshit platforms

[unkempt citrus]

Facebook creates profiles of people who don't have accounts

Twitter is too incompetent to do that though

[idle dune]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-kawaii-nub-5RYfzW81vjs2Yv1g1k

Then I guess ill stop using the internet

[opaque sigil]

the internet is known to easily forget

[trim valve]

[proven merlin]

Hey guys, me again with stupid questions. A friend of mine is willing to sell me a 4080 (super?) for about 300€, but my pc only has a 750W psu.. and id like to also run my rx6700xt.. my cpu is a ryzen 7 3700x, and i dont Game much, its good enough for what i do.. but im unsure if my psu is up for the task..

Most calculators esitmate 800-850W, but i intend to underclock, undervolt and underwatt..

[maiden geyser]

helping it forget and not doing enough to help it remember would suffice

[opaque sigil]

honestly you'd probably be fine as long as you don't torture all components at the same time

[proven merlin]

Id be running llms on the gpus, so im probably stressig atleast both gpus.

[opaque sigil]

most decent psus are overspecced too so there's that but obviously not something you'd want to depend on

[proven merlin]

BeQuiet SystemPower 9, C Tier iirc

[opaque sigil]

those gpus are what, 500W under load maybe?

[proven merlin]

~180-210W fornthe RX6700XT stock

4080 Super according to techpowerup 320W

[chrome rampart]

whats yalls wpm

[proven merlin]

I have 2 case fans, 2 hdds, 2 ssds and 4 ddr4 Sticks

[trim valve]

2

[chrome rampart]

real

[opaque sigil]

undervolt go brrr

[proven merlin]

Theoretically it would fit, and like yeah, spikes may be iffy

But yeah undervolting would be my go to anyway plus -200mhz on core for that efficiency gain

Lil worried i don't have enough 8 pins lmao

Only have 4.. might need to add a splitter for the second one that goes to my rx6700xt.. yeah ik not recommended but you gotta do what u gotta do.. or ig a 2x molex to 8pin

Do any of yall know how amd+nvidia interference is?

Like am i limited to vulkan or can i use rocm+cuda?

[idle dune]

What do you want to run both?

[opaque sigil]

my only experience with such a setup is one server we have with a 5090 & 7900XT and that works perfectly fine as far as rocm & cuda is concerned

they're completely separate stacks

[proven merlin]

Yea id like to add up the vram so i can play with big models.. 28gb "big"

[opaque sigil]

might run into issues with display stuff though and need to explicitly set one idk

[proven merlin]

Oh? Haven't had an issue with sual gpu setups with that.. just absolutely unsure if could load a single 28gb model or whatever

Like whats it called, tensor sharing?

[opaque sigil]

oh that specifically

not actually sure about that

[proven merlin]

I wouldn't mind putting them in series either

Probably better for my poor pcie bus anyway

Ive played around with claude code in a vm today on my 2060 and like was impressed but the stupidity of the small 8b instruct model was obvious, so i wanted to play with a bit bigger stuff, but my 12gb vram on the rx6700xt barely holds a 12B at int6

[opaque sigil]

i'd be very surprised if tensor parallelism was possible with a setup like yours, since you'd want a super fast connection between the gpus/same abi and that's just not really possible but maybe someone figured something out

might have to use vulkan as a common backend after all or go the "proper" distributed route but i feel like that'd be even slower

[proven merlin]

Aslong im above 12t/s and prompt processing isnt astronomically slow its fine, i dont need tensor parallism

(note for others, do not attempt to process a 16000 token prompt with qwen3 30b a3b on a rtx 2060, it takes 5 minutes.)

[opaque sigil]

i'd say give llama.cpp with its vulkan backend a try then

[proven merlin]

Been running lmstudio, but yea. Would be worth a shot

Hows vulkan with dynamically using shared ram?

[idle dune]

That makes sense but the RTX 3080 will do way better with less than the AMD RX will.

[proven merlin]

Last time i tried it it became massively slow, cuda handles overallocation way better

(faster than offloading to cpu for sure)

[opaque sigil]

not sure, i mainly stick to cuda

should use vulkan more

[proven merlin]

*4080 (super?), and you think so?

[idle dune]

Yeah dude I am pretty sure. Lemme get some benchmarks to be sure.

[proven merlin]

The rx6700xt on vulkan on windows (old early versions.. the tower wasnt on in forever)'manages 40t/s on a 8b int8 which aint good, but its also not rocm..

Surely the added vram and thus higher B models, which would hopefully increase intelligence is worth the slowdown, no?

[idle dune]

RTX 4080 is apparently 70-90 t/s

[proven merlin]

Yeah thats fine then

Could run like a 20 something B models and a 4b prediction model thingy or simmilar

[idle dune]

I can't find benchmarks besides a couple dog shit graphs in some youtube videos

[proven merlin]

Yeaa..

[proven merlin]

(the 20 something B would be on both, the 4b on the rtx only)

I do have 8 1060 6gb but no hardware to run em xD

And no PSU with 1200W lol

Ill see, maybe ill be lucky and i can test it under load in my system before i buy it

[sick owl]

I wanna test qwen 27Bs translation chops

Any bilingual folks here who can give me a tricky sentence in their native language?

[idle dune]

I speak dumb ass?

Could help with that

[proven merlin]

Not a sentence but a word..
Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz (RkReÜAÜG)
Mostly a Joke but im curious

[azure lynx]

germans just forget they have a spacebar sometimes.

[silent cloak]

true

[opaque sigil]

those are precious bytes

[azure lynx]

i remember there was a word for the five pointed star in the cap of the captain of a specific ferry or something was given as an example of one of the longest words

and it was literally those words rammed together

[proven merlin]

I suppose a wordplay/tricky one would be
"Du bist auf dem Holzweg, probiers mal anders" (youre on the wrong path, youre doing it poorly, youre thinking about this the wrong way)
"Du bist so auf Draht, es ist verrückt wie effizient du bist" (youre sharp, youre so zoned in almost as if youre wired in"

Im sure my languages are failing me but oh well

[proven merlin]

No we dont forget, but why keep adding spaces if its just more efficient to make a new word

You just define a few base words and modifiers and then you combine

Legos!

[proven merlin]

(cough, i mean legally distinct plastic building blocks)

[proven merlin]

Fair enough, seems understandable

[proven merlin]

Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän
:)

[kind nimbus]

lmao classic Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz (RkReÜAÜG)

[proven merlin]

I love the short form

Everyone: SLAAC, NAT, DNS DHCP or simmilar speakable things

Meanwhile germany: well ur not skilled enough to speak our words? Try this short form and struggle longer!

[kind nimbus]

RkReÜAÜG M-V
(that M-V stands for Mecklenburg-Vorpommern lmao)

[proven merlin]

Myes

[proven merlin]

It didnt do the "youre on the woodway", passed imo

I didnt add the "just" but yea

[kind nimbus]

Bodo Wartke made a song about it

[proven merlin]

Didnt otto waalkes too?

[sick owl]

If you were wondering this is the 27B model at Q6_K

[kind nimbus]

idk could be lol

[sick owl]

9k tokens of context since I've never seen it reason with more than 10k at Q5 so I figure a jump up in quality is worth the context hit for my single turn use case, higher quality quants reason with less tokens due to higher confidence anyway

[proven merlin]

Thats solid, didn't think of using "on the ball" but that matches the vibe quite nicely

[proven merlin]

OH SO THATS WHY the int4 models seemingly endlessly reason

[sick owl]

Yup, Q4/FP4/Int4 is a massive step down for models that haven't undergone quant aware training

[proven merlin]

Btw, whats the difference between QAT and BitNet?

Like, a INT2 QAT and a BitNet should be fairly simmilar no?

[sick owl]

Bitnet is a theoretical training method to allow for 1.58bpw models with minimal quality loss through ternary weights, but its never been validated on a large model

[proven merlin]

How does it differ from qat int2/q2?

[sick owl]

2 bit QAT aims to achieve a similar thing for 2 bpw quants, only example I've ever heard of in practice is the apple intelligence on device models

You need bleeding edge optimisation to make that work well for you, whereas 4 bit adds training cost so a lot of labs don't bother but its pretty easy to replicate

[rough bloom]

QAT is a fine-tuning method that allows models to perform better under heavy quantization
BitNet is a whole different architecture

BitNet practically does not exist so you don't really have to care about it

[sick owl]

Pretty much this if you want to get into the weeds of it

Bitnet "exists" but its never been tried at scale so we don't know how well it holds, and no-one wants to take a big gamble on it especially when we don't really have decent cost efficient ternary compute yet

[rough bloom]

the biggest public BitNet model is like a few billion parameters or something

basically the equivalent of llama 3b

[sick owl]

My description earlier was a bit off too, you don't actually quant a bitnet model*

Poor choice of words

You train on that architecture and out pops a 1.58bpw ternary model

Adding a bit of detail real quick, with QAT (as I understand it, I'm not a ML expert to be clear) you simulate noise and rounding to a certain quant level during fine tuning (correcting my wording here to avoid confusion with PTQ) so the final model is naturally robust under those conditions, at the cost of a more expensive training run

[proven merlin]

I unfortunately do care about that it doesn't exist cuz it kinda upset me lol but yeah ig. Also wasnt there a 4T model or something? Aka a "prove" of that it does work at scale?

[proven merlin]

Ah well fair then

[proven merlin]

Ngl i just thought theyd be training directly from INT4..

Yknow, why bother train at higher quants if the end result could be drastically different under the lower quants

[sick owl]

Allegedly Grok 5 is gonna be 6 trillion parameters

Probably won't achieve that much though given Grok 4 has about as much intelligence as a 27B dense model despite being around 3 trillion params if HLE is to be believed

[proven merlin]

Grok for sure isnt grokking fully

Also fun to see qwen up there.

[proven merlin]

cCcCcC • • • • • • • • • • • • [30%]

[queen ginkgo]

NixOS
Women users
yeah that checks out

[olive sable]

what?

i dont see how you're correlating that

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

Damn Ive had Xfinity for far too long

[kind nimbus]

this meme always uses the tradgirl wojak
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thank-you-for-changing-my-life

afaik the meme has nothing to do with the gender tho

[fast pagoda]

It sometimes uses the femboy wojak

[queen ginkgo]

Idk why but I constantly hear the "NixOS users are all either women or Femboys" stereotype

[olive sable]

thats messed up

[opaque sigil]

I wonder how much of that comes from how a good amount of people involved in nix and projects like it seem to be more on the left side of the political spectrum

[olive sable]

idk much about the nix community

i see it as just an OS/tool

[opaque sigil]

probably better that way tbh

[fast pagoda]

bro this is another chatbot isnt it

[olive sable]

i should go to the nixos headquarters sometimes

seems like it would be funny

[kind nimbus]

i'm neither and i use NixOS

[olive sable]

the problem with either side is you cant prove anything eitherway

there are outliers in the data

[fast pagoda]

rules 29 and 30 of the internet

[olive sable]

i odnt know those out of the top of my head

[fast pagoda]

i want them to give me this xb10 modem they have because it's DOCSIS4.0

i want it so bad

[olive sable]

its closed for some reason

[fast pagoda]

cant buy one anywhere else

afaik it's still the only 4.0 modem available to consumers at this point unless i missed wider distribution

[olive sable]

isnt rule 30 just sexism?

[fast pagoda]

rule 31 is

[olive sable]

what the fuck

who wrote these rules?

lmao thats automodded

bred the origin place is automodded

[trim valve]

[fast pagoda]

1984

[trim valve]

idk where that even would fall on the line of bypassing or not bypassing

[mighty thorn]

https://github.com/proj-airi

Bruh

[olive sable]

ofcourse the thing you send has a catgirl on the cover kaine

[mighty thorn]

That awkward moment when your two year project gets made obsolete right when it is ramping up

[fast pagoda]

me irl

[olive sable]

im not sure

it wasnt intentional

"There are no girls on the internet", there are def woman on the internet

millions of facebook moms

[mighty thorn]

At least my custom LLM is unique, for now

[fast pagoda]

i think literally you were not even born when they were written

[olive sable]

The "Rules of the Internet" were created in late 2006

ye i didnt exist then

[mighty thorn]

Hey I was also created in late 2006

Twinsies!!!

[olive sable]

i wasnt

i said i didnt exist, not that i was created then

you're interpolating false data smh

[fast pagoda]

i think this xfinity chat agent im talking to was created like

yesterday in a docker container