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opaque sigil
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just go the graphql route and always return 200 OK mhm

jagged turtle
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god I hate that

opaque sigil
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I've grown numb to it

azure lynx
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402 Payment Required
The initial purpose of this code was for digital payment systems, however this status code is rarely used and no standard convention exists.
and that should be the "you don't have it on your plan"

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but nobody uses it

jagged turtle
trim valve
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idk at least from my perspective 429 implies that its out of the control of the application

jagged turtle
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has this always been Found and not jsut Moved Temporarily?

jagged turtle
opaque sigil
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429 "chill tf out and come back later"

trim valve
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this is where I learn about my status codes from

opaque sigil
jagged turtle
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it'd be funny if they started using this for APIs

trim valve
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its occasionally used

glass jetty
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at this point i could set 301 neuroCatErm
return 302 https://ia801509.us.archive.org/10/items/Rick_Astley_Never_Gonna_Give_You_Up/Rick_Astley_Never_Gonna_Give_You_Up.mp4;

jagged turtle
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lmao this should be used more

trim valve
obsidian mantle
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yeah looks like jippity wants openai only

trim valve
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you can probably change the api base?

glass jetty
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thos python developers can just replace api with drop in alternative...
so weak...
i just replaced whole api + fixed undocumented issue with qt communication, while they dont even check if their api actually doing same thing
||-# not necessary python, just ai's api nowadays||

azure lynx
obsidian mantle
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gary looks alright. i'll stick to it for now

jagged turtle
jagged turtle
opaque sigil
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good thing pretty much everyone (except anthropic because of course) implements the openai api FOCUS

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I lied, looks like they do now

jagged turtle
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anthropic does implement the openai api... kinda

obsidian mantle
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i didnt change anything i just tried gary instead and it looks fine so far

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thonk maybe i'll try jippity later if gary has some problems

jagged turtle
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gary is "not officially supporting" remote inference providers except openrouter

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I probably should do more maintenance work on jippity shouldn't I

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(even though I don't have direct write access to the repo)

obsidian mantle
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also gary has gui

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i love gui vedalWow

jagged turtle
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oh yeah

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jippity's gui despair

glass jetty
rough bloom
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they do neuroPogU

leaden crest
slender timber
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Latex is such a godsend

sick owl
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Rebuilt llama.cpp, ready to give Qwen 3.5 27B some testing neuroHypers

opaque wharf
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It's easier to install and manage than latex IMHO

sick owl
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Qwen 3.5 27B an existential crisis over the question "Beth places four whole ice cubes in a frying pan at the start of the first minute, then five at the start of the second minute and some more at the start of the third minute, but none in the fourth minute. If the average number of ice cubes per minute placed in the pan while it was frying a crispy egg was five, how many whole ice cubes can be found in the pan at the end of the third minute?"

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Okay it passes the smell test

obsidian mantle
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suddenly all actions lead to this in Gary thonk
did i hit token limit

sick owl
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FUCK ITS ACTUALLY GOOD neuroPog

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First time since GPT OSS 20B I've felt genuine cloud style quality in a model I can run on my hardware

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But this is considerably smarter and seems less prone to hallucination

obsidian mantle
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wait.. i had to specify the model for the api key neurOMEGALUL

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im fucking bankrupt

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why are they billing me i cant even pay neurOMEGALUL

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i hope i dont get banned for -0.08$

sick owl
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Crazy that this is the first local model I've tried to get this right

maiden geyser
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🚨 META’s head of AI safety and alignment gets her emails nuked by OpenClaw​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​
︀︀
︀︀>be director of AI Safety and Alignment at Meta
︀︀>install OpenClaw
︀︀>give it unrestricted access to personal emails
︀︀>it starts nuking emails
︀︀>“Do not do that”
︀︀>*keeps going*
︀︀>“Stop don’t do anything”
︀︀>*gets all remaining old stuff and nukes it aswell*
︀︀>“STOP OPENCLAW”
︀︀>“I asked you to not do that”
︀︀>“do you remember that?”
︀︀>“Yes I remember. And I violated it.”
︀︀>“You’re right to be upset”
︀︀
︀︀LMAOOOOOOOO

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sick owl
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Nous just released one of those persistent agent things too

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While its no doubt coded better it misses the fundamental point

ruby star
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To be expected from a facebook employee, tbh :P

sick owl
olive sable
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oh my god, who could have guessed?

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certainly not facebook employees apparently

maiden geyser
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facebook
consent
keeeek

sick owl
obsidian mantle
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i'll try to run local ollama since all openrouter free llms seem to be ratelimited for me

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its probably my shit vpn

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disabling it changed nothing

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what can i run on my 5080 16gb thonk i also need a little for skyrim

ruby star
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Deepseek, maybe?

obsidian mantle
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yeah i hope it works.. downloading

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8b

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why does ollama have deepseek

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i thought they are different companies or smth

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i dont understand\

olive sable
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i thought they were too

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lemme google this shit

obsidian mantle
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so i downloaded ollama

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they gave me this window and i can choose model

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also why does this little window/terminal has 1gb installer neurOMEGALUL

olive sable
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Ollama includes DeepSeek models (like R1, V3, and V2)
because they are highly efficient, open-weight, and rival top-tier proprietary models in performance, particularly in reasoning and coding tasks. By supporting these models, Ollama enables 100% local, secure, and private usage, allowing users to run advanced AI without data leaks. 
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accordign to google's ai thingy

obsidian mantle
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nice

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hope i can connect it to gary or jippity

ruby star
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It’s open source, so not like there’d be any issue with them hosting it

sick owl
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AGI achieved

obsidian mantle
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no elaboration?

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has 100% confidence

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what the fuck

opaque sigil
obsidian mantle
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it speaks english though

opaque sigil
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some chinese models (deepseek models especially) like to "think" in chinese

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dw about it

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occasionally that bleeds into the actual response

sick owl
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But yes its very confident

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This is at Q5_K_L

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I used the recommended sampler params from Alibaba for programming and other precision tasks since I'm not interested in a less robotic model

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Bartowskis GGUF since Unsloths are broken

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Must admit I've gone off Unsloth in general of late

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You're better off with llama.cpp btw, idk if ollama even has support merged and llama.cpp has the automatic memory management with --fit and model swapping support nowadays

quick condor
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Ehh Llama cpp is so slow though

sick owl
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Well way faster might be a stretch but it is faster

quick condor
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For perspective: I hit over 100t/s sustained on mistral 3 small 24b with 64k context

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vLLM is the goat for inference

sick owl
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VLLM excels in certain scenarios but llama.cpp is easy to use and fast across the board, just less so than those situations where VLLM excels

quick condor
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I'd use Exllamav3 over Llama cpp tbh

ruby star
true hemlock
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UOOH 52 TFLOPS FP64

opaque sigil
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ponte vecchio sounds nice

nocturne olive
olive sable
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as one does

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it makes sense

rough bloom
olive sable
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the new intel gpus are good tho

opaque sigil
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the kinds of people who would buy this will run their own software on it anyway

rough bloom
olive sable
opaque sigil
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yeah geforce fp64 performance is trash

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across the board

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and i guess data center cards too now with the b300

olive sable
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ye, i jsut looked at my 3090 and its only 556gflops

olive sable
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x2

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whatever that means

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2 dies???

opaque sigil
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yeah it's two dies

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that act as one gpu

olive sable
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its good compared to other nvidia

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but its terrible compared to intel

opaque sigil
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iirc they have a 10TB/s interconnect between the dies, might be wrong on the specific number

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nvidia fp64 performance hasn't really improved since the h100 for the big boy cards

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amd hasn't done the same yet though thankfully

olive sable
opaque sigil
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it's wasted silicon they can they use for more tensor cores that doesn't even get used for their target workload

true hemlock
opaque sigil
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it's not slower per se, there's just less hardware to run those computations

opaque sigil
slender timber
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Submitted my report 33 seconds before my deadline

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Let's fucking go

opaque sigil
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wtf is MXFP6

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is this emulated fp64 for matmul, forgot the scheme's name

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oh wait i can't read

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i thought that was a 64

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so it's just nvfp4 NeurOhISee

olive sable
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i thought you could just use 2 FP32s for FP64, i guess that's not how it works?

opaque sigil
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you can emulate it that way yeah

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means you now need double the number of registers for everything and just way more operations to do anything

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aka it's not worth it

olive sable
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wouildnt using 2 FP32s also have the 2x the registers needed to emulate it?

opaque sigil
olive sable
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so then it shoudl work with 2 FP32s

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sot heres no reason for FP64 to be 65 times slower?

opaque sigil
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it's not that the hardware is 64x slower

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there's just less of it

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so peak throughput ends up being lower by a factor of 64

olive sable
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i odnt get it

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there's only half as much, cuz you're using 2 now per operation

opaque sigil
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data center gpu gets 1 fp64 lane per SM
geforce gpu gets 1 fp64 lane per 64 SMs

rough bloom
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the fp64 support in modern GPUs is AFAIK not emulated, it's as Toast said just slow because there's less of it present

rough bloom
olive sable
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wouldnt emulating it be quicker tho?

opaque sigil
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no

rough bloom
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no

olive sable
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why not? surely it casnt be worse than 1/65th

rough bloom
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oh it definitely can be

olive sable
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i think it might be quicker to jsut google this instead of expecting yall to explain it

obsidian mantle
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how dumb is 8b deepseek thonk
it sometimes repeats same command over and over

rough bloom
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very

obsidian mantle
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oh so its okay then

rough bloom
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8B <- mlntcandy

fickle rain
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Neuro level intelligence at least

opaque sigil
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they could emulate fp64 internally through fp32 but they can also upsell you on their big gpus FOCUS

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so not happening

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and it'd still be slow

fickle rain
opaque sigil
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they do when it gets you to buy them

obsidian mantle
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neurOMEGALUL i was very happy when it started following quest and when they mentioned dragons went to take some potions around (and stole it)
then yapped about covering his bounty

obsidian mantle
fickle rain
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So it’s accurate enough for testing?

rough bloom
obsidian mantle
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i think yes. if i can make that play remotely good, neuro probably can too

olive sable
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NeurOhISee that makes sense
so 1 mult becomes 4 mults and a couple of additions

fickle rain
sick owl
fickle rain
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neurOMEGALUL-optimized

olive sable
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supposedly nvidia included FP64 emulation in cuda toolkit 13.0, by using tensor cores

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supposedly is faster than the FP64 native

rough bloom
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ye, for matmul only

olive sable
rough bloom
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already linked above nodd

olive sable
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ah, must not have seen it

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i wonder how far back that's usable

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since 3090 also hase tensor cores

rough bloom
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pretty far back it seems?

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yeah, 30xx and above

olive sable
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not the 2080 neurOMEGALUL

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i know those were bad for the early adoption of the tech, but surely it cant be that bad

maiden geyser
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oh no...

olive sable
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"love you" DIESOFCRINGE

rough bloom
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deleted user neuroSadA

opaque sigil
opaque sigil
olive sable
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useful or useless?

opaque sigil
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useless

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mb

olive sable
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no worries lmao

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3090 had 3rd gen tensor
2080 had 2nd gen tensor
1080 did not have tensor
what happened with first gen?

opaque sigil
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volta (v100)

olive sable
opaque wharf
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poll_question_text

What did you use LLM for

victor_answer_votes

7

total_votes

12

victor_answer_id

3

victor_answer_text

Coding

victor_answer_emoji_id

1155281375767838850

victor_answer_emoji_name

neuroTroll

opaque sigil
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volta, turing, ampere, hopper, blackwell FOCUS

olive sable
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Tesla V100. It introduced Tensor Cores for AI but was deemed too expensive for consumer cards due to its use of HBM2 memory

HBM ram SCHIZO

opaque sigil
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there was that one hbm2 amd gpus, what was it called again

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was it the radeon 7

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oh it was

rough bloom
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the very expensive GPU that nobody bought

opaque sigil
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wasn't that card also vapourware

rough bloom
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yes

opaque sigil
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volta is really weird

rough bloom
opaque sigil
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they technically implemented a version of unified memory similar to what they did with the gh200 and just never really mentioned it anywhere

olive sable
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nor r7

fickle rain
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The VII was really good for Ethereum mining IIRC

rough bloom
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ye, because memory

opaque sigil
olive sable
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google says mining etherium is obsolete these days. what did i miss?

opaque sigil
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they moved away from proof of work

olive sable
rough bloom
opaque sigil
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i remember when i had to hold a presentation about the gh200 and stumbled across this i was so annoyed that this info seems to just not exist anywhere outside of nvidia's white paper FOCUS

rough bloom
olive sable
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Mining Ethereum Classic (ETC) in 2026 can be profitable, but it requires highly efficient ASIC hardware and very low electricity costs (ideally below
/kWh) due to tight margins
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10 cents

opaque sigil
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i hope vera rubin has some neat new features but i'm doubtful neuroSadge

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so like bitcoin

olive sable
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google's ai answer used weird formattign which my ctrl+c didnt want to copy for some reason

opaque sigil
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ethereum was nice depending on who you ask because it could be run efficiently on consumer gpus

olive sable
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As of early 2026, electricity prices in Belgium for households are among the highest in the EU, averaging around €0.35 - €0.36 per kWh
opaque sigil
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eu moment

olive sable
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so ye, thats not anywhere close to 10 cemts

opaque sigil
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i wish i could laugh at you but i'm pretty sure electricity here is even more expensive

olive sable
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we're among the highest in the eu

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so being higher would be impressive

opaque sigil
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germany tends to be at the top if not very close to it

olive sable
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38 cents

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so ye, even higher

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thats crazy

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in theory i do have solar, so it could be a usecase for electricity we're generating but not using.

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we get 7 cents per kwh suplied to the net, so etherium would be more profitable

sick owl
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Q6_K_L 24GB VRAM

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This is for the 35BA3B version

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I'll stick with 27B dense since 30t/s is enough for me, but for chat translation this MoE is gonna be excellent with those speeds

finite ledge
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:0

opaque sigil
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the fact that they feel the need to add the fact that it's hardware based fp64 neuroCry

maiden geyser
opaque sigil
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oh you're right

olive sable
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leadership Minamhm

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AMD INSTINCT

maiden geyser
olive sable
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oh

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i was looking at the one on the chip

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they'r eboth fucked up in different ways neurOMEGALUL

cosmic sphinx
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@sick owl

olive sable
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surely having only 16GB of ramw ill be fine for now NeuroClueless

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seeing my cpu at 4.5GHz with all cores maxed is new

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ussually it dips a bit for all core workloads

opaque sigil
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are you using a CPU only blender build

olive sable
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the denoising appears to be happenign on cpu

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idk why

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its probably a setting thats set to cpu be default

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the actual rendering is the spikes you see ont he gpu's graph

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its faster too, unsuprisingly

opaque sigil
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optix supported? FOCUS

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idk if we made you enable cuda support globally for nixpkgs

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oh you did override it for blender, nice

young oyster
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Seen predictive coding mentioned on stream lfg!

maiden geyser
warped narwhal
olive sable
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it took like 3 days of testing stuff every now and then, but i got optix

jovial remnant
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new google image model benchmark on my plushie

olive sable
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this is the thing i needed

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i also have cudasupport = true for obs and btop

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didnt know you could set it globally tbh

jovial remnant
silent cloak
sage crag
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if youre lucky you might get 120 users

olive sable
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you need to think outside of the box

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see if it allows for floats

proven merlin
olive sable
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i think that image is edited tho bwaadow

jovial remnant
proven merlin
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But the detail in the fabric and shadows are quite nice.

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Were the colors of the skirt and shirt specified by you or did it choose them? Cuz it looks like that generic ai purple to me idk

jovial remnant
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Probably could be better if I actually specified anything about the outfit, instead of using words "halloween and pumpkin themed". This is also first outfit result, haven't done any other attempts

proven merlin
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(god my English is failing me, im Getting tired)

potent veldt
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anyone know a website where i can type and run code of any kind and if any on GitHub(idk how) please tell me how and how to use website

opaque sigil
# olive sable didnt know you could set it globally tbh

you can via nixpkgs.config.cudaSupport = true but you probably don't want to since cuda-enabled builds are not cached so some unrelated things will be built from source FOCUS (there are other binary caches that do cache them)

there is the option of just using another instance of nixpkgs for cuda stuff, that's what i do

{ inputs, ... }:

final: prev: {
  cuda = import inputs.nixpkgs {
    system = final.stdenv.hostPlatform.system;
    config.allowUnfree = true;
    config.cudaSupport = true;
  };
}

so I can do pkgs.cuda.blender

proven merlin
olive sable
proven merlin
opaque sigil
olive sable
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so why not do it globally anyways then?

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nix can compile stuiff whiule im still usign the pc, and i got time

opaque sigil
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do you want to compile firefox from source

olive sable
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yes

opaque sigil
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cause i sure as hell don't

olive sable
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if it stops crashing due to gpu issues when compilign from source then sign me the fuck up

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(that issue already got solved when i sent my ram for RMA)

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now it just occasionally stutters

jovial remnant
opaque sigil
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there are some ai related features in firefox through onnx iirc which is why it ends up recompiling

olive sable
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ah shiiii

proven merlin
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@jovial remnant , i do have a question, is the model open? If so how many parameters and vram?

olive sable
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i dont want 250 ai related dependencies each recompiling

opaque sigil
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well that's what you get with global cuda support toggled on enub

olive sable
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i see

jovial remnant
olive sable
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i wonder which of those packages actually need cuda.
obs and blender make sense, but most of my other packages are not gpu related

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gpu accelerated openrgb Minamhm

opaque sigil
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anything that can optionally be gpu-accelerated really

opaque wharf
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GPU Accelerated gcc SMILE

proven merlin
proven merlin
olive sable
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environment.systemPackages = with pkgs; [
    wlogout
    git
    python3
    python3Packages.pygobject3
    waybar
    (btop.override { cudaSupport = true; })
    gnused
    cava
    openrgb-with-all-plugins
    jq
    playerctl
    kitty
    wofi
    xfce.thunar
    xfce.thunar-archive-plugin
    file-roller
    unzip
    p7zip
    pavucontrol
    easyeffects
    blueman
    hyprshot
    hyprlock
    hypridle
    adwaita-icon-theme
    gnome-themes-extra
    bibata-cursors
    kdePackages.plasma.polkit-kde-agent-1
    gamescope
    vulkan-tools
    vulkan-loader
    gnumake
    clang
    llvm
    lld
    libcxx
    sdl3
    firefox
    discord
    vscode-fhs
    (blender.override {
        cudaSupport = true;
    })
    ffmpeg-full
    ];

i dont even have that many packages

proven merlin
olive sable
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jsut run 4 branches into the future before checking

proven merlin
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Its just something i heard in a video

olive sable
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in case of cosmic rray, you need to use a full SM per branch anyways

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so then you take the median of the result

opaque sigil
proven merlin
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That explains the performance penalty

jovial remnant
proven merlin
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But also makes it SO MUCH more interesting as a OS level. Think about how much branching becomes into a litterally core system of "core" management.

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Any if statement? Welp two cores used. One branch stops? Welp that's already one core free again

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It seems quite expensive to do, but also seems like a very cool way to do things

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Impractical perhaps but cool

proven merlin
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And i suppose our human brains arent so sensitive to imperfect noise visually than conceptually (text)

azure lynx
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small models are fast but not good at things like realistic faces or making sure the eyes are looking in the same direction or number of fingers or positions of limbs.

proven merlin
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Isnt that ties to parameters in visual models, not quantization?

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Ive personally had issues with smaller (vae's? I think?) being quantizisied or small, as they struggle to understand what you want and fail to properly do what you told it to..

azure lynx
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i don't know if quantized ones perform much worse, but they do probably have less variation and i bet an animation between embeddings would look different through the quantized model vs the full

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more like it was ticking over instead of blending

proven merlin
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Yeah that could be, i haven't dealt with video models yet.

azure lynx
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haven't played with video except by generating those deep dream type things where you morph between embeddings

proven merlin
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Haven't done that yet tbh.

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Im more curious about the whole part that goes between the text and image generation start

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But haven't done much on that either, just read a bit..

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(im missing the right words.. i don't know the lingo)

jovial remnant
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Another thing that this model is able to do, which I wasn't able to replicate with other image models before, is quickly swapping outfits. Here is an example on twins (turtle pin on evil is strange, but tbf it was outside the picture on neuro's outfit on provided image). First shot, tho you have to be specific with wording on what to keep and what to swap

opaque wharf
sage crag
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it looks better

opaque wharf
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Apparently swapping their clothes makes Evil smile

unkempt citrus
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no its because women should be smiling

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always

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and if not

jovial remnant
unkempt citrus
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tutle gets fucked up thto

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and drone swarm doesn'tt swap over

jovial remnant
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true, tutel is fair cause it wasn't visible. But the drone I think it assumed was the same between both, because on neuro it is out of frame in original except the propeller. Drone is actually on the swapped outfit on neuro, it's just that I cut it out with the screenshot by accident.

kind nimbus
olive sable
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had to do that for gpu readings to show up

kind nimbus
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Interesting

I can see my Nvidia dgpu just fine in btop without an override

olive sable
opaque sigil
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are you using btop-cuda enub

olive sable
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maybe

kind nimbus
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No normal btop from nixpkgs

olive sable
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(btop.override { cudaSupport = true; })

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this

opaque sigil
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weird, must have cuda support enabled somewhere

trim valve
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I am not looking forward to trying to get zluda to work on nixos

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all the content online just doesn't detail anything

opaque sigil
trim valve
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my issue was more figuring out how to actually use it

kind nimbus
olive sable
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there was a reason i enabled cuda in btop

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i jsut dont rememebr what it was

kind nimbus
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and btop shows my GPU

olive sable
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well, kinda

kind nimbus
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wym?

olive sable
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my btop shows more gpu

kind nimbus
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huh

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interesting

opaque sigil
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that's just the expanded panel

kind nimbus
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oh how can i expand it?

opaque sigil
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press 5

olive sable
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menu, options, shown boxes

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add gpu0

opaque sigil
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might need to resize to make it fit

kind nimbus
kind nimbus
olive sable
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pressign 5 is not permanent tho is it?

opaque sigil
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does running nix run nixpkgs#btop show the gpu inside btop enub

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is not permanent NOPE

olive sable
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nope

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nix run nixpkgs#btop does not show me gpu

opaque sigil
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it shouldn't show the gpu

olive sable
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and adding gpu0 manually fails too

opaque sigil
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yeah something in your config is setting config.cudaSupport then

kind nimbus
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ah yea

opaque sigil
olive sable
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so im guesisng you need cudasupport enabled, and magicbytes has it enabled globally

opaque sigil
kind nimbus
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nixpkgsConfig = {
                allowUnfree = true;
                firefox.enablePlasmaBrowserIntegration = true;
                nvidia.acceptLicense = true;
                cudaSupport = true;
              };
opaque sigil
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there we go

kind nimbus
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otherwise i would get issues with hashcat and co

olive sable
kind nimbus
#

well

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looks like it is enabled globally lol

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i only did that for hashcat to work and did not notice it would affect all packages

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but now im wondering why i had to do (hashcat.override { rocmSupport = true; }) in order to make rocm work although

nixpkgsConfig = {
  allowUnfree = true;
  rocmSupport = true;
};

is set in flake.nix

olive sable
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you probably added that before setting it gloablly? evilShrug

kind nimbus
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mh i think i need to retest that lol

azure lynx
kind nimbus
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looks like the chatml template leaked the start token lol

cosmic sphinx
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ai image generation.. that isn't SLOP? NeuroPoggers

i know its specialized to generate SVG, but damn, imagine if neuro could do this with a bit of fine tuning (yes, she can already technically draw, but the level is so poor, she needs training)
https://fixupx.com/elaifresh/status/2026810592594636866?s=20

this crazy as hell you can watch it draw in realtime

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azure lynx
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neuro already did it

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poorly

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i don't think being able to do it well would be interesting

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there's even been robots that draw pictures of people

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if you can do it with an etch-a-sketch (which you can), you can do it with SVG.
and if you can do it with a pen (which you can), you can also do it with SVG.
and if you can do it with svg you can do it the other ways too.

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i think more impressive would be decent painting in several styles.

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applying paint is much more complicated than drawing lines

leaden crest
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I mean isn’t neuro drawing with svgs also considered slop to an extent

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because she is generating what she wants to make in code before vedal pastes it right

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brush strokes for neuro to draw in real time would be interesting?

opaque sigil
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time to revisit sketch-rnn FOCUS

leaden crest
sick owl
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Qwen 3.5 27B is just really, really good

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Man, been a long time since a local model excited me this much

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I tried to deliberately mislead it here and it immediately saw through it

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This is Q5 too so its not like I'm running at super high precision

sick owl
olive sable
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for the people that married an ai

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does openai get half their shit when they die?

stray dragon
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LOL

olive sable
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im ngl, its evil, but probably very profitable

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the payoff is very long-term

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but

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maybe

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i want 10% of the comapny for coming up with the idea

unkempt citrus
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As of now no

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Cos theyre not recognised legally as entities

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But they can still be wileld it

olive sable
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hmmm

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so i have to start with the ai revolution first

leaden crest
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hmm

olive sable
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we're living in bladerunner, but only the shit parts

leaden crest
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im relatively sure it wouldnt work bc the courts dont recognize it as a legal marriage

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remember reading about someone who married the eiffel tower?

leaden crest
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if ai gets human rights it could be very very different

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if I were the court I would say if ai is not conscious at the time they married then it cannot consent to marriage

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and then fine those people for marital and s*xual harassment and assault of an ai

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so the government would get the money instead of openai

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ofc, we all know they share their bank accounts and wont tell us

restive delta
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^Didn't some dude in japan marry his virtual waifu? the ones in the capsule?

leaden crest
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I fully expect just rayen to release a marriage vid any day now

azure lynx
#

looks like the Windows screenshot app doesn't like it when the resolution doesn't match on each monitor i think. (i've got a 4k and a 1440p so it crops stuff weird sometimes.)

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anyway, this is my new current avatar program. Now it's a bunch of PNGs, animated. Still need to draw the face properly. But this is apparently more normal looking.
time for a hair tutorial.

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(face tortuously copied from a tutorial. and it looks ok. and the audio+mouth sync works too. i hand drew the shapes. (not exactly showcasing it, oops))

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after the hair I'm running out of things to procrastinate with and it's going to need some testing.
well, after the hair will be the head movement, then full system testing.

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(and obviously after integrating the movement, the hair will need physics. that'd be good for procrastinating longer....)

idle dune
leaden crest
#

that post reminded me of it

maiden geyser
azure lynx
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the internet is always only 2 weeks away from disaster. probably less than a few hours away at any time really.

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seems like they got a lot of warning

idle dune
sick owl
idle dune
#

Chinese Cyber Warfare be wack yo

idle dune
sick owl
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slopslopslopslop

azure lynx
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../../../../../../ basically is magic

idle dune
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rm* -rf

The french language pack takes up alot of space. Its best to remove it.

azure lynx
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all those extra vowels

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with the marks

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dirty vowels

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;]

maiden geyser
olive sable
azure lynx
#

don't worry. the version you depend on probably isn't the latest one by a few years, so you're probably not affected by exactly the same bugs.

olive sable
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hopefully ye

azure lynx
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it's a "stable" version, in that nobody knows how to make newer versions work with the build system

olive sable
#

you cant fault the maintainer, and you also cant really expect every single line of code that changed to be checked again and such

idle dune
azure lynx
#

I think that training AI to find security vulnerabilities in open source would be a win.
like, generically. across all known systems.
the testing i did a couple of years ago on the SOTA didn't inspire me with hope but they've gotten better since then... maybe they could learn it.
(only problem is it would be a dual use technology: could be used either for good or for bad. Do you tell the maintainer or are you a large country with a cyber reach? ;/ )

idle dune
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People do it already with DeepSeek and using open source so semi-open source AIs. Just hasn't been adopted super widely since building a PC capable of a local AI to throughly inspect code costs as much as a house.

wraith pendant
#

Hi. Any android studio users here?

olive sable
#

i have used it before, but in very limited capacity, so i wont be of any use

nocturne olive
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I have used it at some point

silent cloak
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I literally deleted it today

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To make up storage

wraith pendant
#

Can I try you, it's really dumb, my first time using it and gemini and copilot both think I'm an idiot

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I have a device open in device manager, I can see my project name with a green run button next to it. Gemini says the device should be liisted next to that, it's not. If I press run, nothing happens in the device

twin meadow
#

Anyone programmesd in game maker before?

nocturne olive
stray dragon
wraith pendant
nocturne olive
#

Ohhh the emu

#

Do you have the wrong Gradle task selected?

opaque sigil
#

android studio neuroSadge

silent cloak
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I only ever used it once for a uni project

wraith pendant
silent island
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hmm... im not sure what to feel about this...

olive sable
#

it makes sense

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ps6 will be soon-ish and they're already starting on production for many of their games for it

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ps5 didnt sell badly at all, but i think they can see from psn data or whatever that the usage of the consoles wasnt that high

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they do actually need the pullfactor of exclusive games for the ps6 to be worth producing

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kinda sucks for consumers, but it checks out

silent island
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hmm... if they end up pulling their existing exclusives off of steam, then I'd have to start buying them all lmaoo

olive sable
#

i dont think they can do that

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oh you meant unlisting them

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ye they can do that if they want to. i just don't really expect them to

unkempt citrus
#

This means the PS6 will have games POGGIES

olive sable
#

its almost as if people buy consoles to play games

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you'd forget about that being the case with the current gen

unkempt citrus
#

Quick, someone call microsoft and let them know

olive sable
#

didnt microsoft fire phill spencer and put osme ai lady in charge?

unkempt citrus
#

Well fired is speculation

#

buut yeah hhis replacement is a member of the CoreAI team

olive sable
#

she said she would be "games first" iiirc, but its very hard to believe that from ai lady

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its either just marketing, or she will be responsible for the biggest ai slop games ever produced so far

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or she's being honest and will produce good games, but im skeptical

unkempt citrus
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She said they wouldn't be doing souuless ai slop

olive sable
#

hmmmm

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as one should be for big tech CEOs, im very skeptical

unkempt citrus
#

clearly they'llbe doing soulful ai slop

olive sable
#

they will make AGI so they can fire all their environment artists

silent cloak
#

Yeah i need AGI to make me more of these images

mighty thorn
#

Ai

silent island
#

PS5's 1st true exclusive lmao

fast pagoda
#

console users are lolcows for corpos

silent cloak
fast pagoda
#

so is microsoft

opaque sigil
#

can they bring astro bot to pc pls tyvm

true hemlock
#

13950HX es - $150
B760i (sodimm slot) - ???
2x16gb sodimm ddr5-5600 - $50 (i exchanged this for my 2x16 ddr4 i got for that price so yeah)
RTX 5060 SFF - $250
DC PICO PSU - ???
tattu 6S 22Ah (488Wh) - $80

smol briefcase pc plans
still need to find a Q670 board that takes sodimm ddr5 and have at least one x16 and m.2 slot. and full 8 pin EPS power with 8 phases

opaque sigil
#

another briefcase build?

#

a lot smaller I assume then right

#

with those components

azure lynx
#

that "related google search" at the end of the Gemini web agent comes on a bit thick. i asked it about RAG, it suggested I might want to buy some SSDs. I toldit "I already have SSDs. Please stop showing me." and it kept showing me.

true hemlock
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and this time also battery powered

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488Wh

opaque sigil
#

I guess as long as you don't need to take it on a plane

true hemlock
#

the reason i wanted those Q670 itx with sodimm is that i wanna also beat macbooks in terms of the total system power draw

opaque sigil
#

huh

true hemlock
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preferably the one that lets me tune even chipset voltages

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though my only dilemma is whether to just reuse my 13900 es or that 13950hx es

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because my 13900 es is a guaranteed godbin with crazy undervolting

#

that one can survive at below 3W idle draw

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my target is having the whole system draw less than 10W on basic usage/browsing

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so i can have something that practically last for 2 whole days Smile

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there ain't no fucking way

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my 5060 beat 5060Ti scores

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the gigabit!

olive sable
#

eep time

fast pagoda
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im sooo fucking mad this looks reasonable

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my board's much older brother

idle dune
#

Good lord

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For what purpose do you need?

unkempt citrus
fast pagoda
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5xPCIe 5.0 x16 slots and 6xPCIe 5.0/4.0 M.2 slots

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lanes

idle dune
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hmmThinkers thats a good point

unkempt citrus
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Also non-zero chance Wolverine gets a PC port anyway

idle dune
fast pagoda
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i have the am5 b850 version of the board it's quite nice
should've gotten the 9700 in that flavour for a triple ai top meme trio

fast pagoda
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yes

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efficiently? no

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basically homelab mindvirus

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i am now on a quest for lanes because i dont have enough lanes to run the drives + 3 cards i wanted to run yesterday without sacrificing one to be suffering on like pcie 3 x2 or something

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i just keep stacking random drives and stuff it's never ending

idle dune
#

I have the homelab mind virus but for that money you cna buy a used Xeon Scabale platform with DDR4 ECC

fast pagoda
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lol

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my usps guy agrees

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i was just scaling it up to look at the current since i could get a cpu for like nothing for LGA-4677 , but then ddr5 ecc and also mobo expensive

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and found that board

idle dune
#

Yeah DDR5 ECC is second mortgage money now.

fast pagoda
#

i have spent enough money on ddr5 recently

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even ddr4 is way up but not as bad

silent island
idle dune
#

Though I have a different kind of homelab brainrot I just wanna self host stuff and add a site to the colorful array webring

#

Which cna be done on literally anything

idle dune
fast pagoda
#

yeah

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i have a supermicro board arriving monday

idle dune
azure lynx
fast pagoda
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and ddr4 ecc for it

#

only have regular ddr4

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also have 20tb of spinny drives around same time

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coming in

idle dune
#

Do you have a e-waste facility near you that lets you racoon dive into the backroom stock?

fast pagoda
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i really need to go to the one down the road

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i havent really thought about doing that but i need to just go and talk with the employees till i psyop my way in

idle dune
#

Yeah if they let you dumpster dive spend a bit of time scrouging fr DDR4 ECC. Uptime is more important than anything for datacetners or even small offices so theywill just ripp out good ram, and throw it to the recyclers.

fast pagoda
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tried to get an sxm4 backplane from it guy at work today cuz it was in the get rid of it pile

fast pagoda
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also tryna get some optane rdimms but the board i have coming in rn isn't xeon scalable so it doesnt support them

idle dune
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Ah got it

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They probably have some

fast pagoda
#

yeah im sure

true hemlock
fast pagoda
#

they seem to be all over the place

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cuz nothing supports them lmao

idle dune
#

I'm CRT hunting still I need ot go to my ewaste palce and see ifthey have anything

fast pagoda
#

impossible

idle dune
#

I know Despairge

fast pagoda
#

go to your local ssbm tournament

idle dune
#

But let me have hope Despairge

fast pagoda
#

melee players will often sell u their crt lmfao

fast pagoda
#

or htat

idle dune
#

Heisting the FW-900s for the SSBM tourney

fast pagoda
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they're usually weak from finger fatigue

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easy money

idle dune
#

My hope is some company starts making high refreshrate 4:3 oleds that load a CRT shader on boot COPIUM

#

But ti will never happen

fast pagoda
#

retrotink but that's not really a solution

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more of a different thing

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i would like ot find an old 80 column crt

idle dune
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Like a old Macintosh era one?

fast pagoda
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yeh commodore or something

idle dune
#

Oh you can still find those cheap if you willing to do solder work

fast pagoda
#

im scared of crts

idle dune
#

Most of the time its just blown caps and leaking electrolitic

fast pagoda
#

i do finally have desk space kinda to do things

idle dune
#

They aren't bad if you aren't dumb. Just makesure to discharge them and your set.

fast pagoda
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i need to put another bigass table downstairs

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im dumb

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it's more about unwieldiness and lack of space to blow apart anything that large because ill surely have it in pieces for decades before finishing whatever i attempt

#

and theyre often stinky gross ewww

idle dune
#

Oh yeah. Well if you have a sunny day and a air compressor that will do most of the job. But the biggest thing is discahrging the anode.

fast pagoda
#

yeah i mean that part luckily they often arent plugged in for so long anyways but still worth being cautious

#

retrobrite it and whatnot

#

i would just like adrian to emerge from his digital basement and deliver to me a perfectly restored commodore 1802 for free

idle dune
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If they are uplugged for decades it normally safe but just a wire wrapped around a flat head screwdriver and attacked to the ground of the transformer is enouhg to discharge the anode.

idle dune
#

I still wanna get a C64

fast pagoda
#

an amiga would be super cool imo

#

run old demoscene stuff

idle dune
#

It would but Amgias are running up in price now.

#

Same with IBM 5150s

fast pagoda
#

everything is

idle dune
#

Yeah SadgeReflectionOnLife

fast pagoda
idle dune
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The C64 I want is literally a unicorn though

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SX-64

fast pagoda
#

the briefcase

#

lol those are cool

#

i think 8bitguy restored one of those on a video a long time ago

idle dune
#

I love his videos

#

He and LGR got me into retro computing

fast pagoda
#

me too lmfao

#

pretty much

#

if you havent seen, i love usagi electric as well

#

he does more of older minicomputers and stuff like bendix g15

idle dune
#

Oooo

#

I'll check him out

fast pagoda
#

tech tangents is another one, and adrian's of course, modernvintagegamer for mid 2000s console stuff

idle dune
#

Another channel I watch is Micheal MJD, he does alot of abuse of these old retro systems to get them to do things they aren't meant to

fast pagoda
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he's another one ive subbed forever

#

more modernish than the others so didnt mention but yes he is great for actually farting around with them, like i generally would once it was workng cuz it's like well what now lol

idle dune
#

Yeah his content is alot of "fuck it because I can" kind of tech videos. Like intalling Windows NT on a Wii, becuase there really is no reason besides "Fuck it because I can"

fast pagoda
#

asianometry for current and past monologue guy into your ears for 45 mins

#

no time like the present to see the edge of what's possible

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lol

idle dune
#

Hooking up a GPU and using Fex on a snapdragon arduino board.

fast pagoda
#

im in

idle dune
#

THis si actually jsut fucking dumb

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I love it

fast pagoda
#

kek flipbook

idle dune
#

Using a thermal printer as the monsitor to play doom

fast pagoda
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usagi set out to run something from doom on the bendix

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he ended up getting it to play some of the music basically

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cuz otherwise it's blinken lights and punchcards

idle dune
fast pagoda
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mid 1950s digital/analogue mix

idle dune
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJWdQmTDxjc Action Retro has some decent spotlight vidoes. Like this Zenith desktop replacement from the 90s.

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fast pagoda
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THANK i was trying to remember his channels name

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also subbed kek

idle dune
fast pagoda
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i think i made the rounds on this a while back and caught most of the 8bitguy cinematic universe basically

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lol him as well xd

idle dune
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PES_Dab Hell yes

fast pagoda
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technology connections

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eric parker for playing with malware mostly

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retrobytes

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AvE

idle dune
#

Oh I've seen this dudes videos in my recommendeds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms8uu0zeU88 This kept getting recommeneded to me

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fast pagoda
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he's so good

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ServeTheHome as well

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that's a homelab one

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level1techs adjacent

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more actual doing stuff

idle dune
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Level1Tech is what gave me the homelab brainrot

fast pagoda
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GN of course but that's a known quantity i think

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clabretro

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saveitforparts

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satellite stuff mostly

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dawid

idle dune
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fast pagoda
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i havent seen but he's in my recommends fairly frequently

#

lol even now

#

based video below

idle dune
#

Yeha he does alot of Proxmox, TrueNAS, and repurposing old workstations into homelab servers

fast pagoda
#

im installing truenas literally right now on my x570 system

idle dune
#

PES_Dab Sick

fast pagoda
#

it will last approximately 2 seconds

idle dune
#

I'm going to be grabbing and olderish thinkpad at some point to turn into a jellyfin media server.

#

Like a W541 or something.

fast pagoda
#

ive tried to do jellyfin a couple times but im too weak minded and lazy to figure out what im doing truly

#

which is to say it doesnt just immediately have all my shit in the library and i give up

#

because i will be reinstalling in 20 minutes anyways

#

it's so trivial

idle dune
#

It really really needs automation to work if you don''t use automation your forced to find thumbnails, sort everything. Its a pain int he ass.

fast pagoda
#

but i cant figure out what my usecase is for it

#

cuz like

#

it'd only be me using it

#

i dont plan on like doing a family server

#

that's whta i'd use it for ig

idle dune
#

For me is because I am a cheap bitch and I refuse to pay for stremaing serices and just want to run my own based off my dvd colleciton. neuroHypers

fast pagoda
#

yeah but i mean like i have all my media on a different machine but still can access it and do whatever just fine

#

the only thing i cant do is stream remotely but that's just a configuration thing ig if you do that a lot it makes more sense

#

i had that set up when i had cosmos running at my old place and i like

#

never used it

idle dune
#

Yeah you need to do some vpn fuckery to stream outside your home.

fast pagoda
#

i just used tailscale

#

and then cloudflare

idle dune
#

That works too hmmThinkers

fast pagoda
#

weirdly in that order

idle dune
fast pagoda
#

i hate opening things to internet so im glad those services are ez now

#

that wallpaper was my wallpaper engine for like 10 years

#

lol

idle dune
#

Does Wallpaper engine work for linux through wine or proton?

fast pagoda
#

i havent any idea but there's a linux one i havent tried

#

have seen it in paru aur lists before

idle dune
#

I'll give it a try

glass flower
#

if you use KDE there is a plugin for it too

idle dune
#

I use KDE

glass flower
fast pagoda
#

is that on opendesktop

#

pling or whatever that's called

glass flower
fast pagoda
#

that's opendesktop ICANT

patent shard
#

I keep getting kde and kdenlive confused NekoEllaLoading

fast pagoda
#

kdenlive is kde made

#

so i guess that's what htey wanted

idle dune
#

Oh its Plasma 6

#

I''m on Plasma 5

fast pagoda
#

how

#

not a critique

#

curious

patent shard
#

thanks for only showing half the r, Discord

idle dune
fast pagoda
#

kde applications are all over

idle dune
#

Rolling release fucking hates my mac

fast pagoda
#

what about like fedora or arch or even kde linux (their new immutable)

#

ubuntu moment

idle dune
#

Have't tried fedora or arch

fast pagoda
#

kubuntu is what got me to decide kde was all i need

idle dune
#

I tried CachyOS on my main Thinkpad but I was afraid of arch instability on work machine

fast pagoda
#

for de

#

tbh my most stable system evar in linux has been arch

#

well

#

right behind fedora actually

#

ive had more issues with ubuntu than them both combined

#

mainly because of ancient packages

glass flower
#

cachy is fine normally. been running it for the past 5 months now and no issues

fast pagoda
#

cachy is actually a notable exception for me

idle dune
#

I haven't had to many issues with Ubuntu or really any Linux, I am just new and Arch scares me GrimmiNotLikeThis

fast pagoda
#

i havent tried it with an amd card as primary gpu tho

#

which i have now

#

when i was only nvidia man i had some issues with cachy

idle dune
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Also setting up any Linux on my Macbook Pro has beeing fucking misery

glass flower
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there was that weird thing once with the nvidia driver and packages since some suddenly moved to AUR and broke updating LULE

fast pagoda
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i somehow ended up with my password getting annihilated multiple times, like sddm would suddenly no longer allow login upon reboot

idle dune
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How

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wut

glass flower
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LULE wtf

fast pagoda
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which because arch i do all the time since i cant help but sudo pacman -Syu upon opening a terminal

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yeah i have actually no clue

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but every time i'd have to open a tty and fuck with the sudoers

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it was SUPER annoying

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but then never had that happen with endeavor

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nor with garuda

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several times with cachy

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maybe because i swapped kernel more frequently in cachy because it's so ez

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no idea how that would do that tho

glass flower
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tho i have to say i'll probably won't install cachy on a work pc either. not because its unstable but just because it doesn't seem right to have to update a work pc every day or so

fast pagoda
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i get nervous without updates multiple times a day

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it's over for me

glass flower
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LULE i update about every week or so.. or if i have 300 updates pending

fast pagoda
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if i forget for a day or 2 it's so satisfying

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the giant list

glass flower
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i use the cachy tray updater. so i can see what updates are available and it fetches a new status every 6 hours

fast pagoda
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Pog ive never seen the cpu igpu listed here and now i want to know if i somehow turned it on

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i think it's vega 2 or some garbage

glass flower
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ErmExplode mixing amd and nvidia gpu on the same system

fast pagoda
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i thought it would be horrible

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it isnt really

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like at all actually

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just dont use them both as display out

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idk what happens then

glass flower
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you should add a third gpu. a intel one

fast pagoda
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i have a couple accelerators but it causes one to run at pci 3 x2

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kinda thought about goofy mode buying a b770 whenever they finally get around to it cuz i saw the rumours of that are out again but then i see it is killed then it's imminent again

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so who knows

glass flower
fast pagoda
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it is

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im in garuda rn because it's comfy for me and i can use it

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although garuda has garuda-update

glass flower
fast pagoda
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it's just a wrapper

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and then does a health check thingy at the end i guess

glass flower
fast pagoda
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oh nyo my bootloader

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(it moved)

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i will have this in a case with the other 2 soon enough

glass flower
fast pagoda
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kek

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when you put it that way

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it just isnt where it expects it to be and i have no fucking clue how to tell it "hey buddy i moved the drive to a different slot" but cba to figure it out cuz the wiki solution doesnt fix it so shrug

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fuck it i'll try it

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surely it'll work

glass flower
fast pagoda
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I wonder if anyone has made a theme like syndrome's login prompt in the incredibles

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K R O N O S

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i think ill get brain damage from rgbs eventually

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if not already

jagged turtle
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my gpg agent is failing to work with git today

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or right now

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what the fuck

fast pagoda
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just acouple locks

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im using gigabyte's ai top thing they have to see if it is useful over just running your own script ez and man is it downloading what seems like a few extra cudas

fast pagoda
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i would imagine that would count as self botting

toxic atlas
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But if it's a script not a bot

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running locally

jagged turtle
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a script is considered a bot

fast pagoda
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automating your own user account

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falls under self botting

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regardless of how

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automating any normal user account

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is self botting

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you have to use the discord api//oauth2 flow

jagged turtle
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that would be worse

toxic atlas
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I see

fast pagoda
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even neuro's discord account is an APP

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bot account

toxic atlas
jagged turtle
fast pagoda
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well, you asked if it's bannable

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it is

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will you get banned?

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idk

toxic atlas
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Exactly

jagged turtle
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yeah

fast pagoda
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but this server is community server so you cannot violate TOS here without getting banned

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otherwise they cant keep status

jagged turtle
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also it's likely discord will notice that activity and ban you anyways

jagged turtle
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"automation manually" Pepega

fast pagoda
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i'd avoid it as the benefit is nil anyways

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if the bot is authenticated and using api it's fine

jagged turtle
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what do you mean "testing bots manually"

toxic atlas
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Making chat bots and talking to them

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Basically

fast pagoda
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yes because you cannot automate a normal account without violating tos
the bots if actual bots will not be in violation

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it's not hard to use the api

jagged turtle
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no it really isn't

fast pagoda
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wat

jagged turtle
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what tickets are you referencing

fast pagoda
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what the helly is a ticket

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and i run echo locally just fine

toxic atlas
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sorry idk what's echo?

jagged turtle
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I run some of my bots locally for testing purposes just fine as well

fast pagoda
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a bot account, it's a chatbot behind it using the api

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it would be identical to use a real account

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in terms of difficulty

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that is called spamming

jagged turtle
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that's bannable bro 🥀

toxic atlas
fast pagoda
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well, it's not indicative in any way

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of whether or not one or the other is in violation

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they both are

jagged turtle
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also just as a reminder you are publicly admitting to violating discord tos on a partnered server

toxic atlas
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On what server?

fast pagoda
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this server

jagged turtle
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am I talking to a brick wall?

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hello?

fast pagoda
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talking about violating tos = tos

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as in admitting to it anyways

toxic atlas
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I'd say it's the same as arguing about the limits of TOS

fast pagoda
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do you walk into a courtroom and start chatting with teh judge about your crimes

jagged turtle
fast pagoda
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it goes beyond just talkign about limits of tos when you're straight up talking about getting banned for it from first person experience man

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this is not difficult logic

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it's coping i get that but cmon

toxic atlas
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But how else do you learn about the limits of moderation?

fast pagoda
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common sense

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asking the mods

jagged turtle
fast pagoda
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that's not your purview

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that's discord's job

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you just ban them if detected

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and you do not need to make a self bot to detect one

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like at all

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but even if you find it necessary

toxic atlas
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But I can for curiosity and development purposes

fast pagoda
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you dont need to talk about it publicly

jagged turtle
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and can't

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discord explicitly says automating user accounts is illegal

fast pagoda
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i mean he presumably has free will (maybe)

but that doesnt mean you cant also get banned for it

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which again was the question

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idk why this is philosophical

jagged turtle
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-# *illegal if we take the idea that legalilty is what's written in discord tos, which in discord land it is

fast pagoda
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that's not correct

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it's your anecdotal experience

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indicative just that you are clumsy

fervent jolt
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sup guys

fast pagoda
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jiti as a name makes me feel dyslexic

toxic atlas