programming

[olive sable]

hi

[left swallow]

are you real

[sage crag]

rare pb

[left swallow]

you guys in programming all sound like this guy to me btw. u and ur tech talk

[true hemlock]

pb i am so fucking sorry you had to read my modmail

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[cloud mason]

Yes

[left swallow]

oh yeah? what's 9 + 10

[cloud mason]

19

[left swallow]

[cloud mason]

Neuro would know that

[rigid snow]

gg ban them

[olive sable]

it starts here

[cloud mason]

You deleted my post on fashion, SUN GOD RA, if that's your real name.

I remember you

[azure lynx]

i think "waiting a bit and only interacting once you've found the appropriate level" might be a strategy for introducing yourself in the future.

[cloud mason]

It was a genuine question.

[rigid snow]

that’s her full legal name yes

[left swallow]

[opaque wharf]

Not even. Just don't schizo I think is the bare minimum

[rough bloom]

yeah we just have the sun god Ra as admin here

very powerful

[true hemlock]

like, just don't copy and paste whatever the fuck chatgpt wall of china text and spam it here

[sage crag]

automod

[opaque wharf]

You know it's serious when konii got automodded

Also, where's the honorable title?

[left swallow]

Well farewell programming see u next time

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

i lost it

[opaque wharf]

[true hemlock]

correction: see u never

[sage crag]

also people kept calling me "hon" and it was getting annoying

[rigid snow]

yeah that’s

not good

[true hemlock]

that's

[opaque wharf]

Honestly my mind goes to "hon hon hon" and with konii being british it is even funnier

[azure lynx]

britsh'd be "luv" not "hon".

[sage crag]

how was this not deleted btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314197993459712/SPOILER_NeuroNewYearCute5.gif

[true hemlock]

ehh it doesn't contain vile shit i think

its just random spam, well far above the channel anyway so

[sage crag]

read closer

oh it gone

[true hemlock]

ah

[sage crag]

zeppelin speedrun

[true hemlock]

might be a mute

the clanker might return lmao

[maiden geyser]

oh nyooooo

did they execute xim again

[sage crag]

they always come back if theyre persistent anyway

hash_silencer li, 100

ban evaders spawn from this channel apparently

[sage crag]

its so out of left field

[true hemlock]

who the fuck is hash silencer li

[maiden geyser]

the guy

[sage crag]

only notable contribution to server is evading bans

[stray dragon]

"the ban evader" which one

[sage crag]

im starting to think its all one guy

[maiden geyser]

it's xis third one, pretty sure he can qualify

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/bold-strategy-dodgeball-cotton-strategy-tactics-gif-4957668

[true hemlock]

there's also this.

[sage crag]

its smarter than the first time

[stray dragon]

have i missed programming chat lore or am i just entirely forgetting whoever that is

[sage crag]

that time, they announced it right here

[maiden geyser]

it's from last week

[stray dragon]

it'

[sage crag]

i think typo "it's his"

[stray dragon]

i missed lore then

unfortunate

[sage crag]

hash_silencer li is discount 100

[true hemlock]

oh 😭

[warped narwhal]

what did they even do to get banned in the first case?

[sage crag]

i do wonder why ban evaders feel the need to announce their old accounts

who do you think cares?

[true hemlock]

"my death was greatly exaggerated" ahh

[sage crag]

hello its me, hash silencer li, im back

????

[tender river]

i dont think the latest one is the same person

[true hemlock]

i still don't know who the fuck is hash silencer li

[maiden geyser]

one needs a memory refreshment

[sage crag]

its that guy

[azure lynx]

they might think "some of them might miss me. i should go back. i interacted positively with at least some of them, i think" and that's why they come back.

[sage crag]

that guy who

evaded ban

thats all they are

thats all anyone remembers them for

[opaque wharf]

I am concerned for their mental well being if that is the case

[azure lynx]

"or I don't understand why I keep getting banned."

[true hemlock]

honestly if this "hash_silencer li" silences someone named "hascrack" that's gotta be a good asset

[opaque wharf]

Now this is the funnier of the two lol

[sage crag]

i just assumed it was narcissicm, or theyre children

[azure lynx]

maybe they don't realize there are nearly infinite discord servers.

[opaque wharf]

Lmao, you still got beef with the dude

[sage crag]

this reminds me that 100 sent a modmail from their ban evading account to ask the mods to unban their main account

iirc

[maiden geyser]

maybe they will go into the history of neurocord as local Wikipedia:Long-term abuse

[stray dragon]

oh i remember that guy

[rigid snow]

what is this lore and why don’t i know

[sage crag]

i could be entirely schizoing

i dont think so though

[sage crag]

yes, 100, 250, 404, 505, some name starting with L, and a few more

[true hemlock]

istg that dude is fever dream inducing

[olive sable]

xz: corrupted data

this file is fucked

[tender river]

i just assumed hash silencer and 100 are the same person

[opaque wharf]

Maybe you didn't download it completely

[olive sable]

i should have

lets try again i guess

[rigid snow]

probably not

hash silencer has 10x the english skill

100 was insane really

[opaque wharf]

Try DietPi if you still got issue

[sage crag]

different text mannerisms

[true hemlock]

can anyone link me to any of these hash silencer messages and why they got banned

[olive sable]

dont put my pi on a diet

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

just use search
#general-network message

-# idk if this is the reason but yeah

[rigid snow]

diet pie

[sage crag]

userid 346508681703063556

[true hemlock]

#general-network message

what the fuck am i reading exactly

[rigid snow]

numbers

what do they mean

[tender river]

hash silencer joined in 2023

[azure lynx]

someone with a disorganized thinking who is confused.

[tender river]

they dont seem the same
i just saw someone posting nonsense about agi in #programming and promptly getting banned and being called an alt of hash silencer or something?

doesnt really matter

[maiden geyser]

based. meds NOW

[sage crag]

hash_silencer li is unrelated to this incident

also i think im starting to understand why they announce themselves

its because theyre very... bright sparks

YES...... ?

[azure lynx]

i hope they have support.

[maiden geyser]

one must imagine a joke about bones

[true hemlock]

down to the bone

[olive sable]

[azure lynx]

they're not very humerus.

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

the way these people think should be studied

[true hemlock]

everytime i see someone schizopost

i'd automatically refer them as a clanker

[azure lynx]

i think neuro attracts people who aren't very mentally stable.

they see an AI person and it feeds something they believe.

[sage crag]

whaaaat

[maiden geyser]

just in time

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

im stable like radium

[azure lynx]

i'm nto saying "everyong who likes neuro is crazy" i'm saying "if you have those tendencies, Neuro might make you think weirder stuff"

[olive sable]

im stable like horse

[tender river]

im stable like

arch linux

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

im

[sage crag]

stable like vedal987 stream schedule

[opaque wharf]

Ohh the stable

[maiden geyser]

i'm hungry like

[opaque wharf]

That typo is really horrendous wtf

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-fail-fall-bad-thing-tripping-crazy-gif-15245041

bruh

you edited your message when i was still trying to find a gif

"of the table"

[sage crag]

repost to waste 29 characters

(donot)

[olive sable]

what am i supoposed to repost?

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Not the worst nuked jpg I've seen

[olive sable]

damn

i should do my wordle

[sage crag]

what recently sent message has 29 characters

please check

and then confirm for yourself

[olive sable]

idk

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i cant count

[tender river]

checks out

[sage crag]

"repost to waste 29 characters" <- 29 characters

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

Now Evil is schizoing

[sage crag]

you cant read or write or count, what can you do?

vulkan maybe

the skill tree feels off

[tender river]

can draw triangle

[sage crag]

youre supposed to level up basic attributes first

wrong reply.

point being, it looks like you skipped them.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

[olive sable]

i do everything very mediocerelly

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i can count, but not well

[sage crag]

🔺Samuel Vanuel "Half-Measure" Manuel

[olive sable]

samual vanual no manual

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314197993459712/SPOILER_NeuroNewYearCute5.gif

looks like it

[olive sable]

looks?

[sage crag]

well, i dont listen to chat with tts

so yes

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Reminds me of that one schizo who uses Discord in VR with TTS and STT

[olive sable]

new file isnt corrupt

[opaque wharf]

And of course, comes into #programming

[olive sable]

🔺

nah. there is an m.2 and micro sd card slot tho

[opaque wharf]

Huh, I must've confused it with the other Pi with eMMC then

[regal steppe]

Newbie question here for a discord-openai bot:
My bot gets message IDs in front of messages when reviewing context so it keeps starting its messages with "Its_Name:" because that's how it sees it coming in. Any good workarounds for this besides removing its name in Python before sending back to discord?

[maiden geyser]

hi hash silencer

[azure lynx]

you could try telling it not to do that.

[opaque wharf]

Structured output

[olive sable]

The development board has reserved an extension interface for the eMMC module

its a dev board extra module or soemthing

idk

oh

[regal steppe]

Literally all I needed ty

[olive sable]

the place where it would be is an empty slot

emmc sold separately

[rigid snow]

samual vanual “automatic transmission” no manual

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-pagani-zonda-r-gif-24320036

[olive sable]

id rather us an old m.2 than buy this stupid thing

[rigid snow]

ok now i want to make this

every message text to speeched at the same time

[azure lynx]

with a different voice per person

[rigid snow]

oh i thought i mentioned i had twitch in mind

i want chaos

[azure lynx]

you need consistent voices so you can tell who to ignore

[fickle rain]

Can an ESP32 run Doom?

[azure lynx]

(all of them)

[rigid snow]

i think i recall it running doom

[azure lynx]

https://github.com/espressif/esp32-doom yes

[rigid snow]

espressif github org

[fickle rain]

Very nice
I am now in possession of some badge with ESP32 in it

[rigid snow]

as far as cool mcus go nothings beating rp2040

[fickle rain]

Idea 2 is fetching current scoreboard top10 from CTFd instance & displaying them on screen

With maybe special effects if team with correct name is on top1 :D

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

rolling on embedded device

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

idk what that means but sure

that takes me back to gamejam

[rough bloom]

it Arch

[rigid snow]

wait is it actually

[rough bloom]

yes

[olive sable]

yes

[rigid snow]

incredible

[olive sable]

can someone explain why rolling is bad

(shameless game-jam 2024 reference https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830)

[fickle rain]

There's firmware implementation in le Rust 😳

I wonder if the CTFd thing can be vibecoded

[rough bloom]

can't really update without knowing if something will break
(unless you go and verify compatibility for all packages yourself)

also (usually) bleeding-edge, meaning bugs, especially if you don't update

not really something you want for embedded

so either:

• you don't update and are stuck on forever on ancient random version
• update and roll die every time on whether it will still boot properly after

[olive sable]

So rolling means it updates?

[rough bloom]

no

it means it randomly explod during update

[olive sable]

What

[rigid snow]

packagers update packages as they get updated upstream as opposed to them being updated in batches

[azure lynx]

is "rolling" the arch name for the current nightly build or something?

[rough bloom]

kinda but not really

[opaque sigil]

Rolling release, also known as rolling update or continuous delivery, is a concept in software development of frequently delivering updates to applications.[1][2][3] This is in contrast to a standard or point release development model which uses software versions which replace the previous version

[rough bloom]

"rolling" just means that you don't have versions at all

[olive sable]

Huh

[opaque sigil]

tldr: arch vs ubuntu lts

[rough bloom]

there is no Arch 26.04

there's just Arch

[azure lynx]

that'll be amazing for managing. ;/

[opaque sigil]

well, there's a reason people don't default to arch for their servers

*most people

[azure lynx]

+it gives you bleeding edge.
-you bleed.`

[rigid snow]

beed

[opaque wharf]

I am not most people

[tender river]

point release -> all packages stay at fixed version for a while, then update all at once
rolling release -> each package is updated separately from the rest

in point release, theres just one combination of different software versions on your system, but in rolling release, there are so many possible different combinations of versions

it doesn't mean it's guaranteed to break, but you will often encounter new issues introduced by updates that will only get fixed later

[rigid snow]

please don’t arch your server

konii no

[tender river]

ye nixos it

[sage crag]

though technically, a distro being rolling doesnt precluse it from being versioned

[rigid snow]

she did

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/lunami-yachiyo-yachiyo-cosmic-princess-kaguya-cosmic-princess-netflix-anime-gif-13386455320943640180

[olive sable]

These are the options

[opaque sigil]

just grab ubuntu or debian

[rough bloom]

you can have versions in addition to a special "rolling" version that isn't stable
like Debian Sid

[fiery anchor]

using arch on a server is riding a mountain bike without brakes.

[sage crag]

Android Image

[opaque sigil]

idk what OH is supposed to be

[rigid snow]

os

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

Open Harmony

[tender river]

increment distro version for every package bump

[sage crag]

package timestamp

[olive sable]

bred

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

distro version is the sha512 of the concatenated version strings of all packages

[olive sable]

Where is bred?

[fiery anchor]

hash the filesystem.

[sage crag]

[azure lynx]

looks like "bred" is opposite of "diet"

[sage crag]

left for productivity

[tender river]

bred said she doesnt want to spend too much time on discord

[rigid snow]

can confirm

[olive sable]

Bwaa

[rigid snow]

eat bred gain weight

[sage crag]

sha512 overkill

[olive sable]

Hope she's doing well

[sage crag]

use md5 or something

[opaque sigil]

probably going insane with colour spaces

[sage crag]

can confirm alive (or body snatched)

[sage crag]

i was told off for trying to find the hex code of my skintone without finding the whitebalance

[opaque wharf]

"isn't archeology is just grave robbing with a degree?"

[rigid snow]

yeah hex code of skin tone is

[azure lynx]

0xff00ff

[rigid snow]

not something you should do using your display

[azure lynx]

(missing texture color)

[opaque wharf]

What should we use then?

[olive sable]

You need like a calibrated sensor or something

[opaque wharf]

Isee

But the output is still hex?

[azure lynx]

you can do it with a camera and the right lights too.

it'll be hex coz it's still RGB

[opaque wharf]

Or at least rgb

Isee

[azure lynx]

you can convert it if it's not

[tender river]

right lights

[sage crag]

take photo

set lights to ffffff

get a piece of white paper

make sure white paper is correct colour

colour pick skin

take photo comes after

to be clear

[rigid snow]

no the real answer is that the color on your display is like a separate domain, i would find pantone/similar slides, color match like that - will work with any lighting, find hex code of color online
you don’t use hex codes for color of objects generally

[sage crag]

after get a piece of white paper

you should also

check that your white paper isnt green or orange

or purple

[olive sable]

phone cameras are a no. image processing, white balnce, other inacuracies caused by how it sets the iso and stuff automatically

[rigid snow]

yeah and color temperature of light assuming it’s even white

[azure lynx]

"daylight" vs "warm" bulbs. ;/

[rigid snow]

white balance and temperature are the two axis

[olive sable]

you can jsut convert to different colourspaces tho no?

[rigid snow]

of white

[opaque sigil]

https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-3-codex-spark/ 1000 tps codex

[rigid snow]

in the real world you just don’t use rgb or anything like that for color of objects

that’s why pantone exists

and can do the greedy shit they do

[fickle rain]

Too bad you need the 200€ sub

[azure lynx]

pantone exists for commercial reasons. there are lots of standardized color spaces thought that are used for various purposes XYZ, Lab, CYMK, and lots of CIE stuff with years after it spring to mind.

so many standards, some better at matching colors than others

(in various situations)

[tender river]

i will mix black and green tea

[olive sable]

i have been a random person on the internet for 18 years, and as such it is my job to complain about stuff that is none of my bussiness, and this is outragious

[opaque sigil]

i hope you haven't been on the internet for 18 years

[opaque wharf]

I love open standard. ISO, SAE, ASAM, and many others can go and pound sand

[olive sable]

well, more like 14 i guess

i odnt have an exact age that i remmebr, but im pretty sure i used to play games on my moms laptop

spelletjes.nl 🙏

[azure lynx]

my friend's 2 year old used to install games on their mother's computer.

[olive sable]

thats crazy

[fiery anchor]

i once installed windows with floppy drives.

[olive sable]

i have never used floppies, but

i od have usb drivers for windows on floppy

oops, sideways

awa

[patent shard]

@left solstice #neurotic-neurons message
#neurotic-neurons message

10mb is a lot more fun to work with #neurotic-neurons message
Fun fact, that's higher quality than the original stream because I reencoded from the 320kbps mp3, and the stream audio is garbage

[fiery anchor]

STOP! Ah yes, even back then nobody cared.

[azure lynx]

i wonder if you could make something that would copy the data off the disk while it was still inside the bag, like a motor with a magnet on the metal bit in the middle on the back, something to pull the cover across and a magnetic sensor to record what it's reading

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cosmic-princess-kaguya-yachiyo-cosmic-princess-kaguya-yachiyo-jumping-fast-gif-8114031472651899845

[azure lynx]

then you wouldn't have to break the seal

[olive sable]

they're completely blank

so its all 0s i guess

or noise from magnetic stuff happening

[azure lynx]

i mean in general with a disk in bag like that

as an overly complicated way to skirt their rules

[opaque wharf]

No. Unless you have the most precise and god awesome material for the tools

[azure lynx]

if you do it slowly enough you should be able to read it quite well

[opaque wharf]

In the current time, probably possible

But not in the old days I think

[tender river]

wouldnt say its that bad actually
well not good either

[azure lynx]

isn't ulong tea something between green and black?

[opaque wharf]

Well it is still tea at the end of the day

[olive sable]

i don't think i like ubuntu or debian

[opaque wharf]

Oh right, did you mix the seeped tea or mix the leaves?

[tender river]

leaves

[opaque wharf]

That makes more sense than what I was imagining

[azure lynx]

ubuntu or debian will have all the packages you want though....

[opaque wharf]

Lies

Deception

[tender river]

i once mixed

dr pepper and coffee

it foamed a lot

maybe because of sugar in coffee

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

usually I'd disagree but probably true for embedded

[azure lynx]

yeah, i mean for arm they will

[opaque wharf]

My experience is they are more or less the same

[azure lynx]

and they'll be somewhat tested ;]

[olive sable]

normally i go for hyprland. but i want it to be stable and have less overhead

[tender river]

arm not arm -> unrelate

[rough bloom]

you're planning on running a compositor? why?

[fiery anchor]

even if they don't have a package, you can still compile it yourself if absolutely necessary.

[sage crag]

temperature difference can cause solubility change

[opaque wharf]

This is what mostly happens in embedded. And honestly, if arch has an arm version it would be awesome with their pkgbuild + aur

[sage crag]

mayb

wrong reply

[azure lynx]

compiling on embedded is a pain. cross compiling is doable but can be annoying unless you happen to have the same distro on amd64.

[sage crag]

you

[olive sable]

i need hdmi output for the projector

[fiery anchor]

crosscompiling for embedded is my daily bread. It's not that complicated once you have a working SDK.

[rough bloom]

ye but you can have HDMI output without a compositor

[sage crag]

topipo

[opaque wharf]

You don't need a full blown compositor tho

[azure lynx]

SDL for an old example

[rough bloom]

make app do modesetting itself
libdrm thing

[sage crag]

directfb

[olive sable]

ye so like i said.
normally id use hyprland but im not going to for this

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/lunami-yachiyo-yachiyo-cosmic-princess-kaguya-cosmic-princess-netflix-anime-gif-13386455320943640180

sdl supports linux framebuffer

just use

[rough bloom]

ye

what lady awa said

[sage crag]

me

lady awa

https://tenor.com/view/cosmic-princess-kaguya-yachiyo-cosmic-princess-kaguya-yachiyo-jumping-fast-gif-8114031472651899845

[opaque wharf]

Should I call you lady awa or konii is fine?

[olive sable]

just use ?

[sage crag]

figure it out yourself

[fiery anchor]

well. if you want full customizability and control over your packages, build your own OS with yocto or buildroot. Then you have all the options and all the pain.

[olive sable]

what i need is

[sage crag]

wrr

[opaque wharf]

I honestly don't know

[olive sable]

linux. gpu rendering, and hdmi input and output

[sage crag]

thats why i said it

[sage crag]

sdl on tty

work fine

[opaque wharf]

Konii it is

[olive sable]

you say words like tty as if im supposed to know what that is

[sage crag]

how do you not

[olive sable]

i do not

[sage crag]

yes, im asking how

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314197993459712/SPOILER_NeuroNewYearCute5.gif

[olive sable]

you indoctrinated me into linux
you indoctrenated my into nixos too

[azure lynx]

SDL is libSDL which is a display library.
TTY is the text console. it's short for "teletype", a hardware keyboard and printer linked to a computer.

[olive sable]

this is all your fault

[sage crag]

not my fault

[opaque sigil]

linux gives you a terminal (tty) when you run it

[sage crag]

i dont even know who you are

[olive sable]

you know who i am

[opaque wharf]

The black screen with white text and prompt you to login is tty

[olive sable]

samual vanual manual

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-youre-right-youre-goddamn-right-gif-12030781

[sage crag]

i desperately want to correct the three typos in your name

but

it would be like admitting i know who you are

which would be ridiculous

[olive sable]

what typos tho?

[sage crag]

typical

[olive sable]

i dont have that

my screen not black

[sage crag]

press ctrl+alt+f4

[azure lynx]

almost anywhere you can type a command to bash is a tty

[sage crag]

um

[opaque sigil]

press ctrl + alt + f4

[opaque wharf]

When you see the boot screen with all that status

That too is tty

[sage crag]

ye tost

[olive sable]

i forgot that existed

[opaque sigil]

that's tty4

[olive sable]

i havent used that in 8 months

[opaque sigil]

idk which one hyprland runs on but kde plasma runs on tty2

[olive sable]

damn numlock

[fiery anchor]

propably tty7

[sage crag]

i think its set by the greeter

[opaque sigil]

idk

[rough bloom]

runs on whatever you want

[olive sable]

it runs on f1 for me

idk why, how, and why

[opaque wharf]

f1 is sddm for me

[olive sable]

sddm is where i log in

is that not on the same one as hyprland?

[opaque sigil]

the actual number doesn't really matter, wouldn't think too much of it

[olive sable]

what was i doing again?

[opaque sigil]

idk you were confused about ttys

[sage crag]

so you cant count, read, write, or remember 30 seconds ago

[opaque wharf]

Uninstalling nixos

[olive sable]

sdl on tty supposedly

[sage crag]

gen alpha

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

[olive sable]

im not gen alpha

[fiery anchor]

what board were you using again? orange pi something?

[rough bloom]

https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL2/FAQUsingSDL
use kmscon or directfb or fbcon (in that order of preference I think)
you should get output without needing a compositor

[sage crag]

he cant remember either

[olive sable]

orange pi 5 ultra

[azure lynx]

kids these days. not understanding technical terminal terminology instantly.

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

wait is fbcon the EFI thing
I forgot
that probably wouldn't work on an Orange Pi

[olive sable]

idk

[rough bloom]

it is not

disregard message

[rough bloom]

this still valid

[sage crag]

me suggest

write kernel module

[tender river]

write kernel

[sage crag]

why even make kernel

[azure lynx]

make CPU from sand and sweat

[sage crag]

overwrite firmware

[olive sable]

i already have the cpu

jsut need to choose software

[olive sable]

but you do expect me to write a kernel knowing im brain't

[sage crag]

no

[azure lynx]

kernels aren't hard... oh wait. yeah, they are.

[rough bloom]

has good Vulkan driver

[sage crag]

kernels are software

dummy

[rough bloom]

Panfrost

[sage crag]

cold saucepan has its uses

[azure lynx]

kernels are software that handles the hardware. prefer software that talks to the kernel

[sage crag]

prefer software that talks to me

i will take it up with the supervisor

[olive sable]

i wish i could jsut do this with vulkan

[sage crag]

sam

sdl

has

vk

[olive sable]

i know

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i mean thtis dumb os stuff

[rough bloom]

you can

but it annoying

so don't

[olive sable]

okay

[warped narwhal]

😉 https://wyoos.org

[olive sable]

i have taken your suggestion under careful consideration, clicked the link, got flashbanged, and promptly closed the website window

[opaque sigil]

no dark reader, deserved tbh

[warped narwhal]

this has the same feeling as "your opinion has been duely noted, and promptly ignored"

[olive sable]

my fiirefox is set to dark mode.

[rigid snow]

NOT waste

[sage crag]

do not jpeg

[rigid snow]

jpeg is so funny

[azure lynx]

it must be super hot coz it's so pixelated

[rigid snow]

gradient squares

[sage crag]

jxl pls

[rigid snow]

it's taking a long time

[olive sable]

Open-source
  Mesa Panfrost (OpenGL ES 3.2, OpenGL 3.1 core-ish)
  Mesa PanVK (Vulkan 1.3 via open-source driver)
Proprietary ARM drivers
  Better performance, but painful to integrate and kernel-locked.

[rigid snow]

the encode

jxl explode my compute

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

ye just use PanVK

proprietary not worth it

probably

[olive sable]

okay

[fiery anchor]

but performance

[olive sable]

i wonder how this gpu compares to current flagship phones

[fiery anchor]

don't even try to compare, trust me.

[azure lynx]

problem with all the PIs used to be that they don't have non-proprietary accelerated video drivers. i guess that's still the case.

[olive sable]

this gpu is getting demolished

[fiery anchor]

your next step would by throwing the orange pi out the window and buying a used phone.

[rough bloom]

the Raspberry Pis don't
this one does

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

I always said to anyone wanting to do embedded project to not go raspi. The only thing they have in the old days is good community. But now many distro supporting ARM, you can always take it to the distro community

[real sierra]

sorry I missed the ping earlier Sam

[olive sable]

no worries

hi shiro

[real sierra]

hi

[rough bloom]

[opaque wharf]

You are now sentenced to receive a happy birthday message

Happy birthday shiro!

[olive sable]

hpbda

[real sierra]

12h sleep

[rigid snow]

shiro don't look

[real sierra]

I have much back reading to do

[rigid snow]

also actual birthday

[sage crag]

shiro look

[real sierra]

(the 13th isn't my birthday either)

[real sierra]

yuri

[olive sable]

waiter, more girls kissing please

[sage crag]

if my gallery supported jxl

[sage crag]

it would be convenient

[rigid snow]

it's this but jxl and 2kb

[sage crag]

it does look a lot better

good job jxl

[opaque wharf]

Wow, the quality vs size really does shows in jxl

[olive sable]

it does make the thumbnail for the image in my file explorer.
but i dont have a single program installed that can open the image,
so how tf did it make the thumbnail for the file?

[sage crag]

doesnt look as good as the original

not up to par

[rigid snow]

i had to resize it smaller to get it to 2kb tbf because jxl doesn't do potato compression

[sage crag]

ffmpeg

[opaque wharf]

ffmpeg probably

[azure lynx]

it'll compress well coz it's already so quantized though

[sage crag]

or qimageformats

or something

[opaque wharf]

QOI?

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

letters

capital

[azure lynx]

DC ?

[sage crag]

no

[rigid snow]

it's the opposite for me on macos

the app is bundled in the os just display the thumbnail

top right

[azure lynx]

it opens with the gimp, so if you have that installed it'll work

[rigid snow]

it says Open with <app name> top right

which is the app used for this preview

and the app is called Preview

i think this view is called "quick glance" or something like thst

[azure lynx]

prepreview

[rigid snow]

you select a file and press space

and it pops up

[olive sable]

the hdmi input is V4L2
so i need

Mode A: Vulkan/OpenGL → GBM → DRM primary plane
Mode B: V4L2 HDMI RX → DMABUF → DRM primary plane

[rough bloom]

do you want to mirror the HDMI input to the output?

[olive sable]

yes

if the hdmi input is plugged in

otherwise it renders on local gpu

[rough bloom]

ye then this looks correct I think

implementing the mirroring will be fun

[olive sable]

ill need to make a daemon for the switching logic

supposedly cat /sys/class/drm/card0-HDMI-A-2/status should work

[rough bloom]

surely you can do that with udev and systemd or something

[olive sable]

maybe

[opaque sigil]

but would you want to

[olive sable]

idk

as long as it works i dont care how it does it

[rough bloom]

I would probably

[azure lynx]

i think probably udev might work simpler than writing something. it's kind of designed for that

[rough bloom]

but bash script that frequently checks for HDMI input presence and toggles systemd services accordingly might also be fine if you can't reliably do it with udev

just slightly cursed

but whatever

systemd service that starts bash script that manages systemd service

[azure lynx]

considering this is a "you" project, just manually switching wouldn't be bad.

at least to start with

that way you can be certain which input is being used

[olive sable]

while (true) {
    if (hdmi_present && mode != HDMI_PASS) {
        stop_vulkan();
        start_v4l2_passthrough();
        mode = HDMI_PASS;
    }

    if (!hdmi_present && mode != GPU_RENDER) {
        stop_v4l2();
        start_vulkan();
        mode = GPU_RENDER;
    }

    sleep(1);
}

ai slop code

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[olive sable]

you can see i didnt write it by the position of the brackets

[azure lynx]

hdmi_present is obviously a volatile set by signal or something

[olive sable]

probably something like that

[rough bloom]

I would just make the rendering and the passthrough two different applications I think
for the passthrough you might be able to find one that already exists

but you do you

[olive sable]

that would be smarter

supposedly Armbian Minimal works well on orange pi 5

their website has bananapi

do they have pis of all the fruits???

le potato

[tender river]

banana pi makes good networking sbcs

[kind fable]

fr*nch detected

or rather belgian

[olive sable]

thats not french

potato in frech is pomme

de terre

[kind fable]

no, it's patate

[olive sable]

appel of dirt

[olive sable]

thats slang

pomme de terre is the proper word

[kind fable]

nope it's not slang

it's the right word too

i can show you in the larousse if you want

[olive sable]

nuh-uh

[kind fable]

yu uh

[olive sable]

patate is informal slang

and more widely used in canada or belgium

[kind fable]

patate come from the spanish

it's just from another root

but it's not slang

[olive sable]

i dont care where it comes from, its wrong

[kind fable]

it's just another word to say the same thing

[olive sable]

do you speak french?

[kind fable]

yes

[olive sable]

where?

[kind fable]

i'm literally belgian 🤣

https://wiktionary.org/wiki/patate

[olive sable]

bitch i am belgian too

[rigid snow]

[kind fable]

good

[olive sable]

it literally says right there

informal

[kind fable]

it doesn't say that anywhere

[olive sable]

at the 2, 4th word

[unkempt citrus]

https://x.com/i/status/2021926500245639184

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[rigid snow]

[kind fable]

we say se passer la patate chaude, not la pomme de terre chaude

[olive sable]

i dont care what you say, its still slang

[kind fable]

it's not

it's just another term

[rough bloom]

patate chip

[rigid snow]

🔨

chip

implanted

[opaque sigil]

patate the e33 boss

[kind fable]

wait

in quebec it's literally the term

they dropped pomme de terre

[rigid snow]

fake french

[kind fable]

big W

[olive sable]

patate is used in informal daily speech in belgium and canada
pomme de terre is formal french

[kind fable]

patate is formal

[olive sable]

no its litteraly not

[kind fable]

actually cartoufle is the right term

patate is informal for french people

but french people are wrong, they don't know how to make good use of it anyway (unless they live in the north, some in the north do)

[olive sable]

the people that invented the language are wrong because i do it differently

[kind fable]

yes

[olive sable]

this guy

[kind fable]

anyway frite was french anyway
so the basis of your argument of this isn't french is invalid
-# checkmate (this was a game all along)

[rigid snow]

language changes and that's normal
the very existence of this debate tells me the word is very prevalent, so it might as well exist
who cares if formal or not, if not formal it will become formal sooner or later (probably sooner)

[azure lynx]

the french words for it seem to indicate a lack of familiarity with either apples or potatoes.

[olive sable]

[fiery anchor]

Local Users 2?

[olive sable]

root and me

they dont have a build for the pi ultra so im using the max build

should be fine

16GB of lpddr5 ram, only 8gb of sd card storage

[fiery anchor]

same cpu, same gpu, should be fine i guess. Might wanna check kernel logs though for uninitialized hardware interfaces.

[azure lynx]

#programming message
it's getting easier, it seems.

[rough bloom]

orange pi 5 max only does HDMI out, not in

might be an issue

[olive sable]

pcie is mapped differntly, so pcie controller is failing

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

it should have the same RK806-1 chip for power managment, so idk why its complaining baout voltages

[rough bloom]

some pins changed

need new device tree

and mabe kernel too

[olive sable]

shiii

[fiery anchor]

opportunity to learn

[rough bloom]

might be fine to leave it for now

only affects HDMI input and USB OTG stuff? I think?

idk about the GPU voltage errors

who needs that anyway

[fiery anchor]

wasn't hdmi in a important thing for the project?

[olive sable]

ye

[rough bloom]

don't even know if actually broken yet

[opaque sigil]

https://blog.cloudflare.com/markdown-for-agents/

[tender river]

markdown for me

[azure lynx]

wait... that blurb seems to suggest that HTML is not structured data.

[unkempt citrus]

If this means more markdown based websites, sounds good to me

[opaque sigil]

nuh uh, this is automatic html -> markdown conversion by cloudflare

i wonder how that's going to work though

unless it's just unreliable as fuck

[azure lynx]

yeah, but the reason is because agent's need structured data, they say. but HTML is structured.

[unkempt citrus]

Its structured, but wasteful

too many unneeded tokens

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

i guess you can just rip out most of the html fluff

[azure lynx]

you've put it in reverse. chage gears.

[tender river]

see ai slop description -> not install

[hollow matrix]

They're stealing your bytes

[olive sable]

-3.658 bytes/sec, thats -29.264 bits per second

thats crrazy

thats messed up

[azure lynx]

it's how they patch stuff. they take back what they erroneously gave you and give you a replacement.

[tender river]

cloudflare gemini support when

or gopher

[azure lynx]

gopher is like 1990s

[tender river]

so is html

[azure lynx]

but HTML replaced gopher

coz it was better

gopher was when everyone still used text based consoles

[tender river]

i dont think html replaced gopher

it just competed with it and won

[azure lynx]

gopher died because of the web. people didn't want to maintain both when one sucked in comparison.

[tender river]

html drafts were actually published before gopher drafts

i think

[azure lynx]

gopher was a much lighter protocol though

easier to make

[tender river]

ye

[azure lynx]

worked on more things

[opaque sigil]

this took me too long to understand

[olive sable]

this thing has 70 different .dtb files already installed including the one for the ultra. it has jsut been using the one for the max for some reason

there's a config file i can change for it im pretty sure

boot/armbianEnv.txt

[rough bloom]

ye that sounds right

nice that it already has the one for the ultra

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Prefer sudoedit if possible

[olive sable]

toybrick-x-linux.dtb

🧱

[opaque wharf]

Actually scratch that. USE sudoedit

[olive sable]

too late

already used nano

[fiery anchor]

nano is goat

[olive sable]

this think is called toybrick it seems
it is mildly brick shaped i guess

[opaque wharf]

It will use nano if you set EDITOR env var to nano

You can also do EDITOR=nano sudoedit file

[azure lynx]

but sudo nano is shorter

[rough bloom]

sudoedit is one character shorter

[olive sable]

i cant edit the config to use nano without editing the config with nano

[azure lynx]

but only the same if you have the variable set already.

[rough bloom]

it probably is

[opaque wharf]

Which you need to do once...

[opaque wharf]

What?

[azure lynx]

sudo ed ;]
coz ed is almost usable.

ed is for when vi is too much

[olive sable]

you're telling me im not allowed to use nano but that i must edit the config for it first.
but how am i supposed to edit the config without using nano to edit?

[sage crag]

EDITOR=nano visudo

[opaque wharf]

By using EDITOR=nano sudoedit [the env file]

[azure lynx]

if you only need to sudo edit something once, it's easier just to do sudo nano

[opaque wharf]

Reload the env, after that, the subsequent sudoedit will use nano

[opaque wharf]

sudoedit is opening nano if you configure it to do so

[azure lynx]

and it's easier to sudo nano when you just did nano before on another file than to remember you have o run sudoedit to do the same thing

[olive sable]

i odnt see the point of this

[opaque wharf]

Best practice and security. You don't run nano as sudo by using sudoedit

It is more dangerous if you use vim

[olive sable]

im gonna use sudo nano just to spite you now

[azure lynx]

it's more complicated and not more secure unless you use the config for sudo to make it more secure. and on a single user system, irrelevant

[opaque wharf]

Because if you run vim as root, you can run arbitrary command as root accidentally

[azure lynx]

just do sudo -s

[opaque wharf]

While using sudoedit will not run the editor as root

[olive sable]

what does this have to do with vim?

vim isnt even on here

[opaque wharf]

Just an example of the security issue

[olive sable]

if its not secure i really dont care

[opaque wharf]

You are running your editor as root = the editor could do whatever it pleases

[fiery anchor]

welcome to linux, where you can achieve the same stuff a thousand ways, but every way is somehow not the right way

[azure lynx]

if you are running it as you it could sudo as you

[olive sable]

if the os want to blow up i can just reinstall it

this all feels pointless

[sage crag]

i dont have this problem

[opaque wharf]

No

[sage crag]

because my user has nopasswd

[olive sable]

damn

anyways

[opaque wharf]

It would have to ask for password to do elevated permission

[rough bloom]

sudoedit just better
avoids a lot of possible issues

[opaque wharf]

Indeed

[rough bloom]

probably not necessary for nano but good practice to always use

[sage crag]

boooorrringgg

[opaque wharf]

Including env var transfer shenanigans

[olive sable]

you know

on my daily driver

i use code

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

[olive sable]

not nano, not vim, code

becasue i odnt give a fuck if its not secure

[azure lynx]

you just sudo edited something else. now the next time you open a file i exploit it to sudo while the timer is still active for sudo. otherwise my exploit just lets the program continue

[opaque wharf]

As root?

[hollow matrix]

[olive sable]

if i need to sure

who cares

[azure lynx]

sudo -s is fine for fucking around on something.

just not on your work computers

[sage crag]

the infostealer in your vscode plugin cares

also ill be buying some dresses soon

thanks

[hollow matrix]

What shady vscode plugins are you installing

[azure lynx]

don't run anything that doesn't need to be run as root. but if you're doing initial config of the system i think it's fine

[sage crag]

based on the reactions i think it wasnt clear enough but

i have sam's bank details

[olive sable]

[hollow matrix]

[olive sable]

okay

[unkempt citrus]

Transfer some to me mkay

[rough bloom]

it's not even just about security
if you run VS Code as root and it decides to create a file somewhere that file is now owned by root, which causes issues down the line when you want to run it under your user again

[opaque wharf]

The infostealer from running code as root

[olive sable]

i can jsut kill the file again as root

its no problemo

[sage crag]

installed a sketchy theme, too bad

[opaque wharf]

*Chown

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

yeah good luck finding that

[azure lynx]

initial set up like installing all the non-default stuff and configuring your devices: be root
editing code: don't be root

[sage crag]

~/.cache/ehb3emslifjr/u3i2owmduof8483iqkznfn

[opaque wharf]

Root on home, mhmm

[sage crag]

itd probably use xdg

[olive sable]

i havent used code as root besides maybe once.
i think i was trying to edit some system file

[hollow matrix]

Didn't it get banned from the extension marketplace?

[sage crag]

i made it up

does it really exist

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[azure lynx]

there are lots of sketch extensions

[olive sable]

i ended up just making the entire folder accesible to non-root

[azure lynx]

they last like a day or 2

[opaque wharf]

From cryptominer to infostealer, you name it

[hollow matrix]

There was one that had millions of downloads but it had a lot of dependencies and obfuscation that a theme extension should never have

So microsoft banned it

[azure lynx]

there was a big npm thing with a typo of a common named module

which installed a backdoor in certain conditions

[olive sable]

these are my exstensions

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

hi iggly

[sage crag]

you should run sudo chmod -R 777 /

777 is a lucky number

to provide great luck

[amber fractal]

"nothing ever happens, I'm all in"

[olive sable]

there's a typo in the description of the third one syntha x c

[hollow matrix]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/vscode-extensions-with-9-million-installs-pulled-over-security-risks/

[sage crag]

dont

by the way

[olive sable]

ye

im not your average fool

im a special fool

[sage crag]

it will give read, write, and executable perms to every file in the filesystem for all users

it will also probably break your install

[azure lynx]

which among other thigns breaks ssh

[olive sable]

crazy

[sage crag]

probably most daemons

[azure lynx]

anything which cares about ceritificates or simillar, yeah

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[azure lynx]

but ssh is kind of important for fixing issues like that

[sage crag]

i ran this on my code folder once my accident

[azure lynx]

so it breaking is bad

[sage crag]

and ls showed every file as an executable

painful on the eyes

[sage crag]

you cant really fix it unless you have backups or snapshots

[opaque wharf]

Or have photographic memory of every system file for some reasons

[azure lynx]

you can approximately fix it if you know what things are, but it's a pita

[sage crag]

no, i think your install would be totally bricked

not willing to test

[azure lynx]

it should still be bootable into single user mode

but after that, not sure

[opaque wharf]

Same

[sage crag]

o7 setuid

[azure lynx]

only su and sudo need suid

[sage crag]

yeye

o7 package manager

not totally bricked i suppose

[azure lynx]

there's probably a "force reinstall everything" in the package manager you could do

[sage crag]

you'd have to reacquire gpg keys probably

its probably easier to boot from live media than use single-user mode

[olive sable]

setting it to the correct .dtb file didnt actually fix any of the errors

[azure lynx]

did it say it's using the correct one anywhere? perhaps you need to run a program after editing the file, like how the boot stuff works?

[olive sable]

i rebooted the entire device

so i thought that would work

[azure lynx]

when you change the boot options you need to run something to actually write the changes to the files the system uses at boot time

maybe this is similar.

[opaque wharf]

Not always. The .txt file on most /boot/*.txt sbc IS the boot options

Unlike the usual UEFI

Now that I think about it, x86 boot process is cursed

[azure lynx]

largely coz the x86 arch was cursed as a child

[sage crag]

what child isnt cursed with the inexperience of its parents

[hollow matrix]

Are you calling cursed

[olive sable]

thats crazy

[azure lynx]

my parents blame my upbringing on them being inexperienced and naive.

[olive sable]

i have decided that the error messages are probably fine and that it might just be errors form boot