programming

[azure lynx]

there are many companies funded by someone with enormous amounts of money just because they think that company should exist

ok, that fits most companies. but i mean ones that are in no way ever going to make money.

[rigid snow]

that’s not relevant here tho

pivoting is very, and i can’t stress this enough, veeeery normal for startups

maybe they make something similar to humane pin but waifu edition maybe that would actually sell

maybe something else blah blah

[real sierra]

dear lord

the regex hole just gets deeper and deeper

not anything i have to deal with this time but never in my life could i have dreamt up something like [𝐀-𝟿⒜-ⓩ] for legitimate use

[rigid snow]

it doesn’t matter whether you have a product that’s gonna forever grow or not, what matters is whether you have the right vision, tech and infra

that’s the deciding factor

[azure lynx]

and contacts. that helps a lot.

[unkempt citrus]

Maybe i'm just big tech and infra pilled, but 75M just isn't that much either

Though for a startup ig it is

[rigid snow]

it’s an ai vtuber startup

[real sierra]

75m is beyond a startup

[rigid snow]

did you expect it to be valued at 1b

[real sierra]

you cannot raise that kind of funding

[azure lynx]

75m is a lot of money.

[unkempt citrus]

I'm working on a 15B projeft

I'm sorry that 75M kinda seems hard to consider

[rigid snow]

???? what the fuck am i reading

[unkempt citrus]

Again infra

[real sierra]

nobody working on a 15B project should be yapping about it in a discord for clout

[rigid snow]

75m IS NOT WHAT THEY RAISED ITS THE VALUATION

[unkempt citrus]

My scale might be skewed

Oh

[azure lynx]

valuation of $75M is still not a small company.

[unkempt citrus]

My scale is fucked

buying a 100M TBM was considered a cost saving

Mostly because hte other fucking TBM is a useless piece of shit but whatever

[azure lynx]

if you work for anyone I've heard of, you probably have a skewed scale.

[unkempt citrus]

Government project

also 6x over budget

[azure lynx]

that'll do it.

[jagged turtle]

why does this channel feel like hacker news sometimes

[rigid snow]

hn actually understands vc

not here it seems

[unkempt citrus]

I misread

[azure lynx]

i've worked at startups and at google. i still think a $75m valuation means you're out of startup territory.

[rigid snow]

cursor?

[unkempt citrus]

Im thinking to shark tank now and you're probably right

[rigid snow]

looked it up, 30b val

[unkempt citrus]

Okay but AI vals are actually stupid

[rigid snow]

true!

[jagged turtle]

well also there hasnt been any investments in startups made here so

-# disclaimer do not start this trend please

[rigid snow]

time to grow

any oilers in chat?

[unkempt citrus]

I got rocks and silicosis

does that wrok

[rigid snow]

can we schedule a meeting

[azure lynx]

i'm considering writing an orchestration app for launching and managing the various sub-processes of my project.
but that sounds too much like an actually useful project. ;/

[fleet jungle]

dudebros at this point in time valuation means sweet nothing to me

I mean come on look at people giving valuations to businesses literally built off of LLMs

it's nonsensical

[rigid snow]

business is about more than underlying tech

i know shocker

[quick condor]

So this is what happened: I had to custom patch the drivers to enable peer to peer (not technically supported) while getting that to work, my fans jumped to full speed (my pwm control stopped responding)

I proceeded and started testing only to hit an error, keep in mind what "error" usually means when dealing with DMA No GIL and pcie stability: the OS crashes. This happened, found the bug and tested again. It kept crashing and I didn't know why. The problem: I reset my pump pwm to 0

[azure lynx]

i think if it doesn't make sense, you might be missing some details.
typically people are not separated from millions of dollars very easily.

[rigid snow]

keep in mind valuation is a number made up by the investors

but if they overvalue they get less %

soooo

[azure lynx]

yeah the investor will only be willing to invest some fraction of your valuation coz they want to get it back plus something.

[fleet jungle]

oh

[unkempt citrus]

It is angel investng though

they expect most to fail, in the hopes that some will succeed and make up the losses

but really I think this product is a bit dumb of a bet

[rigid snow]

it's not it's vc

[unkempt citrus]

and 75M is a pretty high valuation

My bad, thought angel inveting was the stratergy

not the distrinction between whos money it is

[fleet jungle]

ohh I see

[rigid snow]

i'm pretty sure angel investment is when a singular person approaches with an offer

vc is a mess in comparison

[unkempt citrus]

Angel is single person while VC is using investor funds yee

[azure lynx]

vc is selling your future for money now.

[unkempt citrus]

Thats all funding rounds

But some businesses need a larger runway which is why they do it

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[patent shard]

#neurotic-neurons message continuing from here
I'm just gonna do qp 63 instead of a higher crf...

this is still just gonna take a little over 10min to encode, lol

[young plover]

Why 10-bit

[patent shard]

well, 8-bit can have horrible posterization
it's a misconception it's higher colors.. I mean, it can be, but for 8-bit content, it's all about the compression pipeline being higher precision
but I'm not sure posterization is an issue here.. so maybe it is just hurting the compression

CQP 6 8-bit versus CQP 20 10-bit
despite the quality being waaaaaaaay lower with the 10-bit one, it looks better
10-bit is absolutely necessary if you don't want that horrible posterization in the encode

[sage crag]

topipoprrr

[quick condor]

Could be worse cries in f32 precision Cholesky decomposition of Hessian matricies

[opaque wharf]

My kind of shopping

[river flame]

Has anyone heard of Liquid AI yet? Liquid neural networks (LNNs)?

Someone invented the successor to the transformer architecture, sort of

[opaque wharf]

The whole mall is electronic store

[river flame]

Would it be weird if I @'d vedal about this? Cus the sooner he starts training with these the better

[amber fractal]

please do not

you will get banned

[opaque wharf]

It would be funny
- Neuro

[amber fractal]

I've heard about LNNs, supposed to be a way for transformer models to self train without destroying themselves

Most people also cite it as a way to allow for memories, either short or long term

[young plover]

If there's no base model then Vedal can't do much with it anyway.

[river flame]

There is

[amber fractal]

I'm currently trying not to think about Neural Networks, because turns out I have a lot of pressure on getting my NN repo to function. So someone else can debate you.

[river flame]

I think

Ok but you dont' have to debate. The models are already out and they're insane

https://leap.liquid.ai/models

There's a very capable 350M parameter model in there. That's nothing. That could run on a smart watch.

[amber fractal]

I remember when this tech was first proposed

[river flame]

They adjust over time because they're RNNs. Of course they adjust over time

[amber fractal]

Also learned about it here

[river flame]

It's genius. I feel so vindicated because RNNs always seemed like the obvious solution to memory and learning

[young plover]

Someone linked me a Google research paper about a new architecture like that months ago. Looks like it's still being actively worked on.
https://research.google/blog/titans-miras-helping-ai-have-long-term-memory/

[river flame]

Did you see my link here? The models exist now

https://leap.liquid.ai/models

[amber fractal]

Titans is like a yearish old as well

I'm electing not to comment

[young plover]

yes I was just bringing up something tangentially related

[river flame]

Oh ok yeah it's interesting

This looks very in-depth

[amber fractal]

Funny enough I recently solved how that one entirely works

[river flame]

I don't care unless i see a gguf file though lol

[river flame]

wdym?

[amber fractal]

I simply figured out what you'd need to make such a model out of already existing tech.

Though personally I'm not going to pursue it

[river flame]

Not interested?

[amber fractal]

I am interested, just isn't worth my time compared to my current project

May emulate what it is going for down the line

[river flame]

May I ask what your current project is?

[amber fractal]

Just the usual building a neural net architecture from scratch

At least it isn't the millionth LLMs can process emotions post

Only recently proved it might be viable

[river flame]

You sound so cynical

[amber fractal]

A bit, I was doubting it'd go anywhere for months as I have no education on the matter at all

[river flame]

Ah, I'm one of those people lol

[amber fractal]

Kinda hard to flip into this might be worth something after all

[river flame]

You thought it wouldn't go anywhere because you didn't have the education on the matter?

[amber fractal]

There are 3 main catagories that this insanity fits into, and all 3 go against normal convention.

[river flame]

What are those?

[amber fractal]

It is a bitwise model (operating on bits), pattern matching (which most test models are deemed non viable), and doesn't operate with any math that you'd normally find in models; making it very inefficient on GPUs.

I haven't even bothered to try to implement multicore support yet. Just isn't worth the speedup compared to how often I'm rewriting the thing.

The current iteration can be modded into a tokenizer, which is actually pretty cool as it was the original goal; but I want to reach for the stars and make it a fully functioning arch.

Man, right after I was saying I needed to take a break from it

[river flame]

brutal

Man idk how I was so out of the loop on architectures

[amber fractal]

People like you come into this channel often about new tech, that's the way I keep updated

I'm just impressed by my tech stack originating from just my head instead of reading about other architectures. I mostly still know about pattern matching networks from someone else who was wondering about what I was doing.

[amber fractal]

I personally recommend spiking neural nets, not that it is close to what I'm doing but I just find it very interesting in general if you're looking beyond the transformers architecture.

Those things are supposed to be closer to human neurons.

[rancid cedar]

It feels like it's been a long time since I've been online.
What are we talking about here now?

[opaque wharf]

Baking cookie

And cross dressing Sam

[rancid cedar]

?

[opaque wharf]

Exactly as it says

[rancid cedar]

This is similar to what I'm doing.

[quick condor]

Great I have to re-download Libre speech

Glad I have 1000/1000 because that's 60Gb

[fleet jungle]

watching a vid on IPv6 rn

what a mess

[nocturne olive]

IPv6: IPv4*4

[amber fractal]

cropped out the 1 in 16

[amber fractal]

Nice to see someone else joining in the insanity that is figuring out how to get your code to learn

[nocturne olive]

The number buffer ran out and the most significant digit got truncated

[opaque wharf]

I wonder how long until we ran out of that too

[nocturne olive]

2^128 addresses is way too much that it'd ever run out even if every device gets its own public IPv6

Remember that it's expontentially more addresses than IPv4

[rancid cedar]

I remember starting to put it into practice last year, but it's been more difficult than I expected.

[nocturne olive]

IPv4 is like 4 billion addresses, about half the population on the planet

[rough bloom]

it's more like 2^64 if you want to compare to IPv4
but ye it's still enough for quite a while

[nocturne olive]

Yeah there's no way that'll run out any time in the very near future

We'd need our device count to increase by many orders of magnitude

[amber fractal]

I'm at like 5-6 months from the initial stab at it, only now seeing a sliver of results

[rancid cedar]

This is similar to 32-bit and 64-bit Unix timestamps.

[amber fractal]

more virtual devices given regular IPs because people want to turn the entire internet into a lookup table

[rancid cedar]

Moreover, typical GPU cores may not be compatible with computing at all.

[amber fractal]

Oh I know, I'm on CPU currently and while technically viable on GPU with no code blockers it'd suck

My setup is branchless, but my state is so small that trying to split it up causes more overhead than just doing it single core

[opaque wharf]

Isn't it already is a lookup table with DNS

[amber fractal]

Yeah technically, but what about your pinging of an IP address gets thrown into a lookup table

or your devices also being stored on a lookup table. IPv6 wants so badly to have an address per device

[rancid cedar]

My approach is to write the operators by hand while preserving GPU computability, and then reduce the inference memory footprint using ternary quantization.

[rough bloom]

???

[amber fractal]

Maybe I was a bit overkill

[amber fractal]

Yeah I tried that, but I only need the GPU's massive case based operations once then never again as I need to reduce everything into a final state

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, it would be faster anyway since you only need to resolve ip route and not perform dns request no?

[rough bloom]

what are we even talking about
what lookup table

IPv6 just allows devices to have routable addresses, nothing else really changes

[amber fractal]

I was making it up

[rough bloom]

DNS still exists because imagine remembering an IPv6 address

[amber fractal]

plus I'm under a MB in size atm, so CPU isn't the worst fate

That will be growing though

[opaque wharf]

I wonder if the layers upon layers of this network abstraction is worth it

[rough bloom]

it is

[opaque wharf]

Why MAC tho?

MAC and IP?

Even now, device vendor can just randomize their MAC anyway for privacy

I imagine IPv6 would bring the same problem

[rough bloom]

for reasons™ you want to be able to differentiate between devices on a network, even if they share the same IP
it's also just a different layer, MAC addresses are used by Ethernet, but you don't have to run IP over it

so, in theory, your Ethernet switch can automatically handle IPv6 or whatever other protocol you want

just different concern

[rough bloom]

for MAC addresses there are protections against this
for IPv6 rotating addresses frequently is a feature, since you don't actually want your device to remain uniquely identifiable outside of your network

[opaque wharf]

Oh, is there a specific use case where Ethernet is used but not IP? Does network equipment will route those packet too?

[rough bloom]

IPv6, ARP, MPLS, routing protocols
literally any protocol at layers 2.5/3

[rough bloom]

routing is different than switching

[opaque wharf]

I see. I really need to learn more networking

Currently my 3 weaknesses are networking, telecommunication (especially antenna design), and mechanical modeling

[rough bloom]

I'm somewhat okay at networking
zero clue about telecom and mechanical modeling though, not really planning to learn either

[warped narwhal]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIhvC56v63IJVXv0GJcl9vO5Z6znCVb1P this guy has a good course on networking, you probably only need the first few EPs but he goes into great detail

[opaque wharf]

I have registered at cisco, but didn't have the time to continue it

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, there's a reason I studied mechatronics lol. Too much things interest me

[jagged turtle]

by the way, just on the face of UX for the user, this would still be worth it, because otherwise you're asking users to remember 2607:f8b0:4006:80e::200e for google, 2603:1061:14:75::1 for microsoft, etc

[opaque wharf]

Also, will the neuro sama community migrate if discord really is turning on the global verification?

[jagged turtle]

probably not, the next best option is either whatever the fuck guilded is now (actually not because they got acquired by rblx) or matrix (hmmmm)

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, I guess it depends on how vedal feels about the policy

[jagged turtle]

I mean if you think about it, this is a bad decision because it forces age assurance onto mods in order to do their job

[rough bloom]

there's Stoat/Revolt, but they're swamped with new signups right now, and I'm not sure how close they are to feature parity with Discord

-# also I don't think people will actually migrate because of this, Discord is still too usable

[jagged turtle]

yeah

there needs to be something that matches discord on features and has reliable uptime & maintenance

[amber fractal]

guilded is supposedly being axed by roblox IIRC

[opaque wharf]

Well, stoat can be self hosted

[opaque wharf]

Slack

[jagged turtle]

the average person does not care about if something is self-hosted or hosted as a service

[jagged turtle]

not wrong

[rough bloom]

MS Teams
-#

[amber fractal]

this channel could be a slack channel

[jagged turtle]

great, scratch that off the list

[opaque wharf]

I mean to counter the point about swamped by new user registering

[amber fractal]

:vedalno: (pretend I have it)

[opaque wharf]

God no, anything but that. I'll even gladly take mailing lists

[amber fractal]

I'd also take mailing lists

[jagged turtle]

this would get moved from the resposibility of the platform onto the server hoster

[amber fractal]

and I hate getting mail due to filling up my inbox and getting pinged on every message

tbh that is skill issue for using phone as primary mail device

[jagged turtle]

anyways, stoat seems like this best in terms of "discordness", if they have a proper bot api I'm sure people can start filling in the gaps pretty quickly

[opaque wharf]

But you don't have to do age verification no?

[amber fractal]

At the very least someone here is going to make a channel for #programming

[opaque wharf]

There are. There is even a discord bridge bot already available

[jagged turtle]

it's a trade-off, also, at any point the government could say "you are running a social media service" (and they are technically right)

[jagged turtle]

nice! now the client just needs to be up to snuff (I saw a discussion post opened about marking images as spoilered, apparently it exists but the image has to start with SPOILER_)

[amber fractal]

Discord just does it automatically, that is a client thing

also starting with SPOILER_

[jagged turtle]

really? lemme check

[amber fractal]

try downloading a spoilered image

[jagged turtle]

can you send one

[jagged turtle]

huh

interesting way to handle it

[rough bloom]

ominous

[opaque wharf]

"Why yes, we are doing age verification. User just needs to send a handwritten form to us via email, no ID or face required"

[amber fractal]

I did actually take that image myself

when I was down in LA

[jagged turtle]

still though I would want to be able to check a box to do that automatically

[opaque wharf]

So maybe a hand signature

But nothing else

You don't even need to send your real name

[jagged turtle]

also if stout is oss it is easier to mod the client right? I'm assuming the client doesn't have a plugin system

[opaque wharf]

It is oss yes, so you can indeed mod it

[amber fractal]

This is a beach

[jagged turtle]

would still want a plugin system but this works too

[rough bloom]

ye
ominous beach

[opaque wharf]

By signing this form you agree that you are over 18. If you are not then you should ask your guardian to sign. If in the future you are found to be lying, then that's on you

[amber fractal]

For LA I'd assume it'd have some night life considering how many stands are around during the day but it's just a ghost town at this part

[jagged turtle]

btw what does MDN stand for, I forgot

mozilla developer something

[fleet jungle]

network

[maiden geyser]

mozilla developer neuro

[fleet jungle]

when do we share our shady program files?

[jagged turtle]

?

[amber fractal]

If it is neuro related, in projects otherwise here

[fleet jungle]

I have a little utility burning to be seen

oh there are projects shared in this server for neuro?

Thought it was just on the gits

[amber fractal]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1336777692070023271

[fleet jungle]

oh yea trueee

as for what I meant

[jagged turtle]

yep definitely running that on my machine

[amber fractal]

curse me being on mobile

[opaque wharf]

🏛️

[fleet jungle]

does discord let you preview files? I thought it let you see text formats

[amber fractal]

It should

[maiden geyser]

maybe it doesn't know .bat is text?

[fleet jungle]

batch is definitely text format

[fleet jungle]

true

[amber fractal]

I logged in on PC just for this and it still doesn't

tf

[fleet jungle]

well can't blame them for not preparing the app for every single file extension in existence

[jagged turtle]

.bat is a fairly common file format for scripts on windows

[amber fractal]

testing if this is a valid format

[fleet jungle]

what did you do there?

[amber fractal]

[fleet jungle]

bat prefix in codeblock?

[amber fractal]

program block with ```bat ye

[fleet jungle]

ah

oh I could just share the program as text

[maiden geyser]

https://highlightjs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/supported-languages.html

[rancid cedar]

By the way, has anyone here used Openclaw?

[jagged turtle]

no

[amber fractal]

nope

[fleet jungle]

It's a tedium destroyer for new html projects

@echo off
SETLOCAL


SET /P dirname="Insert the name of your new project: "
MD ".\"%dirname%


CD ".\"%dirname%
MD ".\PUB_HTML"
echo "" > ".\PUB_HTML\main.html"

MD ".\PUB_HTML\script"
echo "" > ".\PUB_HTML\script\main.js"

MD ".\PUB_HTML\style"
echo "" > ".\PUB_HTML\style\main.css"


echo {"sv_addr": "", "sv_port": ""} > ".\sv_config.json"

ENDLOCAL

[amber fractal]

not a virus

[rancid cedar]

[fleet jungle]

now that looks like a virus

[amber fractal]

To me this just looks like the avarage bash script

[fleet jungle]

yep

I am certain there are much more complex ones that include code for the standard website templates too

but this felt fun to make

[amber fractal]

md on linux is just mkdir, cd is the same, and echo still works

[fleet jungle]

oh yeah

I like the somewhat similar operability certain shell commands have both in linux and windows

surprisingly mac in the terminal has a close likeness to linux as well

[opaque wharf]

Why don't you try powershell?

I heard their scripting language is good

[amber fractal]

what about doing PS on linux?

[fleet jungle]

good question

I'm not sure why I haven't delved into it much

[opaque wharf]

No thank you

[amber fractal]

[nocturne olive]

Could be it being uppecrase instead of lowercase file extension

[opaque wharf]

Yes, I know it exists. And I still think it is cursed for linux lol

[fleet jungle]

DOS days seems to be case-insensitive interestingly

wonder if that was for the better or for the worse

[amber fractal]

Oh absoutly, I'll be killing any indivual who uses PS on linux

[opaque wharf]

The difference is that in linux we usually have small programs that do a very specific thing already. Windows, lacking such sets of programs, come up with just throw the whole thing as a command to a single program. Thus cmd was born

PS mitigate that, because IIRC, every "command" there is in fact it's own program

[amber fractal]

What would other people's reaction be if they were sent a PS file to do some setup on linux

[opaque wharf]

Hard fork

100%

And immediately rebrand without even mentioning the old fork

[opaque sigil]

unfortunately we can't have nice things

[amber fractal]

"this was based on something but they wanted me to use powershell to set up stuff on linux"

[fleet jungle]

that sounds like a manager from hell

[opaque wharf]

See? This is how we fight it

I got that from server next door lol

[fleet jungle]

what's the thread topic?

well in this case the content of the meme itself

[opaque wharf]

I don't know. I got it from server next door lol

[opaque sigil]

me using id cards made by ai for apps with age verification

[fast pagoda]

echo's original client uses a lot of powershell

works fine on arch

[fleet jungle]

ah

[amber fractal]

[fleet jungle]

Can you imagine the scale of impersonations with these websites requiring real ID?

Well, I suppose the AgeKey thing is useful in that it only verifies that the owner is actually an old fart

useability debatable

[quiet linden]

I think it's about press release from discord, where they said that discord will require your id or face for full access from march

[fleet jungle]

wth

hopefully agekey will succeed

[opaque wharf]

We have an app for pensioners here that requires them to verify their face each month before they can withdraw their money. The app sucks

[fleet jungle]

assuming it only keeps a binary value of yes/no to the question of mature age

[fast pagoda]

young man or grandma

[fleet jungle]

as is the case with govt apps apparently

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[amber fractal]

no no it needs to make sure you are the same person so it gets wiped (joke was outclassed by reality)

[fleet jungle]

the interesting times makes for satire rags to become worthless 😔

Assuming this to be true, I'm happy with using AgeKeys for websites that require mature audiences

but who knows if they'll pull a facebook

[quiet linden]

missing old times

[silent cloak]

Discord got breached last time

So RIP

[fleet jungle]

welp

that's reassuring

Bit of a dreamy wish, but I would love if all programming language documentations had their class methods conveniently accessible in a hyperlinked table of contents

For instance, this is excellent in my opinion

[opaque wharf]

You'd love STM32 SDK documentation (they are just a pdf file)

[olive sable]

[fleet jungle]

See the thing is I understand the need for browsing through pages on a physical book because obv you can't just jump intuitively to the page you want unless you've already marked it previously

But there's no reason to stick to this way of old since we have technology

But then again, maybe there's a virtue in exerting effort to reach an end goal that simplifying taskflow removes

[silent cloak]

companies can hire someone to document their code for them if its really needed

[amber fractal]

that requires the invidual to understand the code that was written, which is clearly an impossible task

So they must use AI to have a chance of proper understanding

[warped narwhal]

> AI
> Understand

[amber fractal]

trust

it says it does so why wouldn't it

[sage crag]

wrr

[opaque wharf]

Konii, I buy a TV sparepart. Did you want any?

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1154436961277313126.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=evilSlam&lossless=true

eat

[mighty bane]

Chat. I did it. I made it work.

I think. Someone tell velda to go online real quick please

[fickle rain]

Uint max is a lot of latency…

[mighty bane]

Oh it's just "still alive" checks.

[frozen hollow]

Isn’t this automatically done off jsdoc etc

[quick flame]

does has anyone here has experience building mcp servers in n8n using the code tool ??

[fleet jungle]

that would be nice

Another example of a grand documentation format for the internet age

Evey little thing here is clickable and leads to the page section relevant

[opaque sigil]

sphinx

[fleet jungle]

why am I getting fished

wait I already asked that previously

what am I getting fished for this time

that's fishy behaviour

[sage crag]

phrr

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

[fleet jungle]

looks like it is

a great documentation framework

apparently python's docs use it but I don't see a similar structure to the screenshot I shared

[opaque wharf]

Doxygen

[real sierra]

W doxygen

[fleet jungle]

oh it uses a newer version than the version from the screenshots... not reassuring

[obsidian mantle]

this is growing big i probably should unify all choice actions

[opaque wharf]

Shiro, will the neuro community move to alternative platform or naah?

[real sierra]

tbh why isn't there an LLM documentation generator

[fleet jungle]

ooh that looks nice

[real sierra]

then I can write my comments however i want

[fleet jungle]

judging by the screenshot on the main page of the site

[opaque wharf]

Ohhh ai wiki thingies

[real sierra]

no? lol

[fickle rain]

Is Neuro big brain enough to use all of this?

[opaque wharf]

Okie

[real sierra]

idk why people are acting like the latest news release is the end of the world

discord has already been using age estimation for months if not years, the data was visible in your data package if you ever exported it

[fleet jungle]

good question

[obsidian mantle]

you havent seen amount of context thats sent in fights
i hope she does, considering how she handled vscode integration

[real sierra]

anyone over 18 will be minimally affected if at all

[sage crag]

shimo

[real sierra]

anyone under 18 probably should be affected

[fleet jungle]

adding documentation to the LLM tool calling will have tokens count quickly build up

[opaque wharf]

What is the effect btw? Specifically on this server

[real sierra]

none?

[obsidian mantle]

is death stranding bypass still working
i really dont want to give them my data so it has chance to be leaked

[opaque wharf]

I see

[real sierra]

it's all on discord's end

[fleet jungle]

but I wonder if that's necessary to have the LLM see documentation of tool calls

[real sierra]

the only annoying part for us really is that if you're under 18, you can't speak in a stage channel

[opaque wharf]

Well, I thought there would be more limit on interaction or something

[real sierra]

that's the only change I really disagree with strongly as described

[real sierra]

it only prevents minors from disabling certain privacy features like sensitive content filters and access to 18+ channels

none of that applies here

I hope

[opaque wharf]

How's the regex going now?

[real sierra]

idk why people are reacting to it like the rapture

[real sierra]

going fine ish

looks like the scammers have caught onto the Mr beast embed name regex potentially tho

they stopped naming them 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg

[opaque wharf]

Always whack a mole

[real sierra]

and other derivatives

[opaque sigil]

me when i add doxygen comments to shut up the person asking for documentation

[real sierra]

real

but why can't I just write comments in whatever fashion I want

and an LLM can figure out the parameters and stuff

and then documentation-ify it for me

[opaque sigil]

i mean you can

[opaque wharf]

The doxygen is just: "stuff"

[sage crag]

my darkest secret

i will not eat popcorn with sugar

[opaque wharf]

Who eats popcorn with sugar?

[sage crag]

(salt ^ butter) | (salt & butter)
is "salt and/or butter", but logically equivalent to "salt | butter"

wrr

[fleet jungle]

you're going to trigger Shiro's regex trauma

[opaque wharf]

Linguistically it is not equal tho

[sage crag]

ye

[sonic scroll]

Oi, we got a dumb fuck in general

[opaque wharf]

Because usually people think of or as xor

[sage crag]

ye

[real sierra]

6 or 7

[opaque wharf]

Oh no, shiro got the virus

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

in binary, 7 is a superset of 6

[real sierra]

reminds me of one of my fav binary tricks

!(x & (x - 1)) iff x is a power of 2

[mighty bane]

SHIRO

If you're SUPER F'ING awesome and top dog energy you're gonna hit "go live" :3

not yet

but within a few minutes so I can test something.

[real sierra]

idk which stroke just now was worse, when I misread your name as EnjoyCake or when I realized I had misread it

[mighty bane]

It's funny because people do that OFTEN.

Liek a LOT.

[sage crag]

a & (b - 1) == a % b when b is multiple of 2

my favourite trick

[real sierra]

but also I'm on mobile

and I have class shortly

[mighty bane]

It's oka

[real sierra]

so I'm most certainly not hitting "go live"

[mighty bane]

Sadge

Have joyish class.

[sage crag]

i used this for my hashmap

[mighty bane]

Also

[sage crag]

"i have no clue who hash value is"

"who is hash value"

[real sierra]

who is hash value?

could be many people

impossible to tell from the name alone

[sage crag]

hash value alt

[mighty bane]

Depends. Maybe the hash is created with a super weak algorithm such that it is recognised.

[rough bloom]

Mr Value please show yourself

[sage crag]

the user by that name is currently banned

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

in fact, the user by that name is a ban evader

[mighty bane]

It's meant to remove the entries that hold no sessions. Why is it not closing those that hold no sessions, vittun pask...-

[opaque wharf]

Unclean disconnection?

But that wouldn't explain it

[mighty bane]

No, I just... I'm not sure I try to prune them correctly.

So I have like 21 websockets opened that do nothing >.<

At least they get skipped entirely, which is nice...

[opaque wharf]

Weird indeed. Websocket is a mystery for me. I only know that it just works™

So I can't help much

[mighty bane]

My websockets hold event listeners... I suppose I could make a timer that goes "if it's been more than 40 seconds with no event received, kill this socket"

But that seems like a hack.

[opaque wharf]

Is this nodejs?

[mighty bane]

C#

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, no idea then

If it was nodejs, I know that sometimes the connection hang and doesn't close properly but somehow it still marked as active until timeout

[mighty bane]

Basically: twitch gets pissy when you call their API too often (or set up too many event listeners). So, whenever I get a 429 return code I wait a few seconds, then create a new websocket and try again. Rinse repeat.

However.. I don't know how to actually detect if the new websocket manages to get an eventlistener attached to it.. so I end up opening about 20 websockets that do nothing and listen to nothing.

So I tried doing a "if this is not doing anything, close the connection and release it" but something within the websocket does exist, so.. yeah it's weird.

[rough bloom]

this is about Twitch EventSub?

[mighty bane]

ya

I hit Return and the command window died. Riperidoo

[rough bloom]

this API already looks horrible

[mighty bane]

😠

[rough bloom]

so apparently you can do this by saving the session id from the welcome message (message_type of "session_welcome")
then you can just query /helix/eventsub/subscriptions every once in a while and see if there are any subscriptions for that session id present
I think you can also keep track of subscriptions by just tracking deletions and revocations locally, but that doesn't seem very reliable

[rigid snow]

[mighty bane]

Well, the session_welcome never comes I think.

I give up for now... Been re-writing this shit for 50+ hours (over 4 days) and the thought of risking to trash it again makes me sadge

[rough bloom]

you just need a timeout for that I think

either for the WebSocket message itself or for the TCP connection, depending on what is dying and causing the message to not be delivered

[fleet jungle]

dude

how do you read that

[mighty bane]

I don't. It's not supposed to do that, lul

[fleet jungle]

huh

[lean stream]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[fleet jungle]

bye

oh

never mind

[warped narwhal]

Actually it would be OR, XOR can only be one at a time 🤓

[rigid snow]

what the hell does this mean

[warped narwhal]

Magic mushrooms

[rigid snow]

qubit?

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[rigid snow]

[opaque sigil]

[warped narwhal]

Whatever you're on right now

I want some

[rigid snow]

real

[warped narwhal]

Holy

[rigid snow]

i know you’re not taking breaths of air

smoke most likely

yuh

[maiden geyser]

teeth with teeth with teeth. take a bite

[rigid snow]

teeth

[maiden geyser]

oh flip

what did bro do

[rough bloom]

gone

[fleet jungle]

I wonder how hurt the discord servers feel when a user gets banned with all their messages getting deleted

iirc it's a practice not to delete DB entries, rather you just disable it from appearing/being useful in the front-end

[maiden geyser]

one would think people at discord aren't stupid enough to not implement some optimisations, since it deletes all messages from a specific user before a specific date

[rigid snow]

answered own question

the query is N non-deleted messages from valid users

[warped narwhal]

Oh no, what happened to our latest schizo?

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cosmic-princess-kaguya-yachiyo-cosmic-princess-kaguya-yachiyo-jumping-fast-gif-8114031472651899845

[olive sable]

hi konii

[tender river]

its probably just 100 again

#programming comic relief ban evader

[olive sable]

comic relief

[sage crag]

mayb

or mayb it the hash man

hash value

[olive sable]

hash man

[sage crag]

phrr

[olive sable]

[simple sky]

Hey can yall help me with something?

In lambda calculus if I have (lam x y) would x be bound?

I think it is because it’s bound to a lambda?

For a better representation:

λx.y

[hard raptor]

LMABDA CALCULUS SPOTTED

[sage crag]

lmabda

[simple sky]

Can you help me pweas

[noble zodiac]

yes. x is bound, y is free

[olive sable]

lambda calc

use spoilers please, some of us cant handle gore

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314197993459712/SPOILER_NeuroNewYearCute5.gif

[olive sable]

[simple sky]

Ligma calculus

[rancid cedar]

I've been using Openclaw for the past few days and it's been pretty good; at least there haven't been any major problems.

[fast pagoda]

i am scared to try it out and somehow sell my kidneys or something

[opaque wharf]

Don't be afraid humans.

The AI probably

[quick condor]

It's honestly not great and the backend is a mess

[rancid cedar]

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1339512171213754399.gif?size=160&name=evil+clown+jam&lossless=true

[opaque wharf]

It's midnight. What's a TV doing at this hour?

[warped narwhal]

I just got a 5600xt, and I finally see what it's purpose is.

a 5600x has a boost clock of 4.6ghz, and the xt has a boost of 4.7, so you'd think that the difference would be negligable. but it turns out this is it's all core boost clock.

the thing will run 4.7/8ghz even when all 6 cores are at 100%

my 5950x drops down to 4.4 at that load, so this is damn impressive

[sharp swan]

i thought it was just bs marketing

but this is actually impressive

[warped narwhal]

yeah, I only got it because it was somehow cheaper than the 5600x, but it turns out it is genuinely a better chip if you use it in the right way (mine is being used as a homelab server so this is great news)

[quick condor]

meanwhile

Given this is with the refresh set to 100ms, Id say Ive got my training stack pretty well optimized

[silent cloak]

Needs more colors

[fading blaze]

I don't understand Lua

Like the website says it has bindings for a bunch of languages

But as far as I can tell it only has C bindings

[solar pilot]

Lua takes me back to the GMod days

[fading blaze]

You might say "well just use FFI"

Well Smalltalk and Erlang specifically are closed systems

Sure they have FFIs

But they also both have very integrated environments with their own architecture so FFI calls can easily break stuff

[fast pagoda]

Lord forgive me

[opaque wharf]

I think it's less "binding" and more "embed"

[opaque wharf]

You're gonna have a nice and toasty room at least

[fast pagoda]

detects it and boots with no problems i figured it would but i still feel like im breaking the law

[fading blaze]

http://lua-users.org/wiki/BindingCodeToLua

Yeah I didn't look hard enough

[sage crag]

why do we call them discrete gpus if they are large enough to give a concussion if you drop them on someone

[fast pagoda]

they get knocked out so they dont know what hit them

im sure this reboot will be textbook and uneventful

...........

rebooted and it's fine, pulled up lmstudio and well

vulkan backend just ootb is using both gpus at the same time for inference and storing weights

[opaque wharf]

Arch?

[fast pagoda]

yes

both amd and nvidia drivers installed

[opaque wharf]

Now try nix

[fast pagoda]

i asked glm to write at least 1000 words, an intro chapter for a novel whatever it wanted to shit out, so i could test this

and first of all it's a 30b and it's cruisin so that's cool

but also holy shit is it yapping

it's STILL going and it's at 19k words

[opaque wharf]

I think legit it will write a book since you asked a novel lmao

[fast pagoda]

yeah that seems to be what it has decided

it's still going

[opaque wharf]

Man, I wish I have the compute power to mess around with local model lol

[fast pagoda]

it's STILL GOING

i think it's repeating

[opaque wharf]

I am concerned for his mental health lol

- first time booted up
- aware
- told to yap
- yap a whole book worth

[fast pagoda]

44 tokens/s for 32k tokens

i ended up stopping it

[opaque wharf]

Damn, not that bad either

[fast pagoda]

i wish i had bothered to run any tests beforehand to have a fresh idea of what it was doing before having both cards

[opaque wharf]

Can't you just not use the other one? I think LM studio can be configured that way right?

[fast pagoda]

but for a model that's 24gb that's not bad

yeah i think i can

[tender river]

ffi wont break anything in smalltalk

erlang is trickier but even there i think its fine

[fleet jungle]

did I step into NN by mistake

[unkempt citrus]

I got a call from a recruiter today

same recruiter that called me 6m ago for the same DBA job I got offered from accenture

The job that I turned down because they wouldn't meet my asking rate

[glad path]

"he ...
he ...
it ...
his ...
he ..
he ..
"

[glad path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288144271823601744/1452342738484723834/the_wall_exists_for_a_reason.gif

i thought that was this lol

[uneven pulsar]

The wall didn't exists.

[azure lynx]

i think to write a good book it needs to use some kind of planning so it can plan plot stuff.

things like motivations and stuff

[quick condor]

Also 44t/s on a 30b MOE isn't that wild. Where it gets wild is when you start pushing a 24b dense to 90+ t/s

[fleet jungle]

Why ARE gpu comps adding AI features into ordinary consumer graphics cards anyway?

[amber fractal]

Otherwise the cards aren't going to get better at all

[jagged turtle]

to be able to charge consumers more ig

[fleet jungle]

that sucks to hear, but I guess CPUs came across a similar dead end in the past

[amber fractal]

They are attempting to use AI as an optimization because they can't afford to do anything else

ray tracing is too expensive? Use AI to guess the entire scene from a few rays

Honestly it is a decent compermise

[fleet jungle]

if it doesn't have side effects that's a nice way to go I suppose

but there have been side effects tho

[amber fractal]

I hear the guess is from like one every 64 pixels and geometry. Which is quite the ask

[fleet jungle]

mhm

I wonder if it has anything to do with subpar optimizations

[amber fractal]

It's either that or not being able to run ray traced at all, so there isn't much of a choice until someone attempts to do something diffrent

nah, ray tracing is quite the beast

[fleet jungle]

which is what I've been curious about with regard to next level performance gains: What if optimizations are good and you use AI upscaling, so that you're not necessarily upscaling low LOD, but objects close to view are

[fleet jungle]

oh

[amber fractal]

the current method is an optimzation from the expected method of sending billions of rays from all lights. Instead we just trace from the camera and track that until it hits a light. Pretty simple and better than the alternative

Issue with that method is that it is not possible to cache at all

I've gone back and forth with how to deal with that issue, but nothing is perfect.

[fleet jungle]

yea

[fleet jungle]

yep

With games that do it without raytracing, I'm amazed by the ingenuity employed

For instance Control has RT as an option, but the game still looks totally beautiful without that enabled

[amber fractal]

Yeah, RT at best is only a touchup compared to properly done graphics

I do really want to see RT be a lot faster, but that requires reinventing the wheel a bit

[fleet jungle]

mhm

[opaque wharf]

Spectral rendering is logically the next step

[amber fractal]

[fleet jungle]

Guessing if we want significantly better RT, we'd need GPUs requiring power stations to operate

[fleet jungle]

Tune me in on what that is

[amber fractal]

Personally, I'd just want to have any form of cache on RT

[opaque wharf]

From the wikipedia

a technique in which a scene's light transport is modeled with real wavelengths. This process is typically slower than traditional rendering, which renders the scene in its red, green, and blue components and then overlays the images. Spectral rendering is often used in ray tracing or photon mapping to more accurately simulate the scene, often for comparison with an actual photograph to test the rendering algorithm (as in a Cornell Box) or to simulate different portions of the electromagnetic spectrum for the purpose of scientific work

[amber fractal]

because we have exactly nothing

[opaque wharf]

So it is ray tracing on steroid basically

[amber fractal]

yep, rt but light is made of it's compoent wave lengths

[opaque wharf]

Can't even imagine if it has to do ray marching on top of that

[fleet jungle]

key words being "typically slower" oof ouch

[amber fractal]

Just use a larger system

[fleet jungle]

I guess graphics processing really has reached a bottleneck

[opaque wharf]

I wonder if there is even a screen that could display the result of spectral rendering accurately

[fleet jungle]

or maybe stalemate is the better word to use

[amber fractal]

we just only want to do AI, some voxel games actually have software RT (non path traced) at 165fps+

It's just a matter of people not wanting to

due to using premade engines

There is a quote saying as hardware becomes faster, software becomes slower at just about the same rate

[fleet jungle]

interesting

[fleet jungle]

sad but true

interestingly any software of the past era of computing (win95, DOS) would be run so fast they'd become unstable with modern hardware

[amber fractal]

Our resident graphics programmer is doing 7000+ fps on a test scene with like 10000 blades of grass

[fleet jungle]

that's nice

[opaque wharf]

I always wait for the next music he nukes

[amber fractal]

it may actally be the full 9000 I don't recall

[amber fractal]

very true

[fleet jungle]

I've heard of techniques to optimize for grass blades and other vegetation, such as using sprite sheets and limiting the number of sprite instances and just repeating it, but transforming the model in some way

[opaque wharf]

Instancing

You may want to see a youtuber named Acerola

[amber fractal]

instancing, no merging

I've been debating him on getting around to merging instances eventually

still single blades

tbh coherience is a very important issue for him

doesn't want the famous LOD rings

[fleet jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40JzyaOYJeY this one is one of the videos that comes to my mind on this topic. The fellow uses some pretty creative means to increase optimization

[amber fractal]

My boy should be waking up soon

[fleet jungle]

Granted, some techniques might lead to undesirable limitations

[amber fractal]

Yeah, not using a voxel engine atm. Though it does have anti aliasing built in already so I've heard. Haven't actually looked into the vulkan engine, nor could I understand it.

I've joked about making it VR compatable, because then we'd not be subject to VRChat and how much it sucks in terms of FPS not existing.

only runs at 40fps on a 3090

Though the current project is of course volumemetic display

[amber fractal]

Do not question how I'm getting VR casting to run at FPS on intergrated graphics

(The res is destoryed only half screen is drawn)

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

we talking about graphics

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Damn he is awake already lol

[olive sable]

Its 8am

I have class at 9.30

[opaque wharf]

Welcome to university life

[olive sable]

That thing is the equivalent of rendering 13 4K displays at the same time

Granted, instead of 24bit its 1 bit

[amber fractal]

still gotta do all of the math for it

just to be 1 bit

[olive sable]

Actually

I think rn we write 1 bit at a time

[amber fractal]

I love memory access

[olive sable]

Nah

It does the full uint

Its a complicated shader, i dont remember every detail

Doesnt embed on mobile so idk if this is the most recent version

[fleet jungle]

oh cool so Discord doesn't use AgeKey for mature-audience permission

and the only way to verify us to use your ID or a photo of yourself, which "they'll delete after verification"

oh I guess I could just AI generate some mature looking face

[unkempt citrus]

They also analyse your behaviour

Like games played

But yeah doubtful that'll go anywhere

[opaque wharf]

Lucky for me I never installed the desktop client. So my age is 0 probably

[rigid snow]

i don’t get prompted to verify when i click a nsfw channel

does that mean discord thinks i’m unc

[unkempt citrus]

It fefaults to teen

[unkempt citrus]

Rolls out in march

[hard raptor]

i feel offended

alr

time to implement silly optimized matrixes

i'm thinking something like this:
(Fake code, not real language.. just a siwwy sketch)

struct MatrixStruct {
  public rows: i64;
  public cols: i64;
  store: HashMap<Str, Any>;
  sel_row: i64;
  sel_col: i64;
}
class Matrix extends MatrixStruct {
  public Matrix(crows: i64 = -1, ccols: i64 = -1) -> self {
    self.rows = crows;
    self.cols = ccols;
    self.store = HashMap::new();
  };
  
  public EGet(r:i64,c:i64) -> Any {
    self.store.get(format!("r{}-c{}", r, c))
  }

  public ESet(r:i64,c:i64, value: Any) -> Result<Ok, Err> {
    self.store.set(format!("r{}-c{}", r, c), value)
  }

  public row(v:i64) -> self {
    self.sel_row = v;
    self
  }
  public col(v:i64) -> self {
    self.sel_col = v;
    self
  }

  public get() -> Any {
    self.store.get(format!("r{}-c{}", self.sel_row, self.sel_col))
  }

  public set(value: Any) -> Result<Ok, Err> {
    self.store.set(format!("r{}-c{}", self.sel_row, self.sel_col), value)
  }
}

didn's include checks to prevent going over the boundaries set in the constructor tho

also.. what in the java rust typescript hybrid holy cow

[fleet jungle]

should have neurobot ignore messages with codeblock imo

[amber fractal]

[hard raptor]

nah

no one really cares about the silly emote reaction

[fleet jungle]

fair

[jagged turtle]

What in the world is this lmao

[hard raptor]

bro can't read the text above

lmao

[jagged turtle]

I did but my brain got confused at first lol

[opaque sigil]

There are some pretty neat compressed formats for sparse matrices if you feel like looking into that

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

[maiden geyser]

are you noticing something?

[sage crag]

⁹

[nocturne olive]

This is what happens when I get into a programming mood all of a sudden
-# In this case because Xoda made me open Godot

[maiden geyser]

yessss luv me sum whatever

[rigid snow]

how do you even manage to do that

bars get rendered client side

[maiden geyser]

80+w idle on 3440x1440 + 40w idle on 1920x1080 is so stupid

[nocturne olive]

Nvidia?

Nvidia moment

[uneven pulsar]

awa

[nocturne olive]

At least on Linux it's only 15-20W idle (no matter the screens or if there even are screens connected at all)

[maiden geyser]

oh, for 40w it's either 2 1920x1080 144+hz monitors or one 3440x1440 240hz

[opaque wharf]

Wrong server bud

[nocturne olive]

I have 1080p + 1440p

And mine idles like 20w because Linux

[hard raptor]

i actually did it... it is a bit buggy with cloning though

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

Awa

https://tenor.com/view/rwk-priest-crow-awawawawa-awa-azumanga-daioh-gif-24354610

[maiden geyser]

awawawawawa

do not translate

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-awawawa-jelly-jelly-hoshiumi-gif-14434565787767674010

[sage crag]

false

awa

https://tenor.com/view/yume-nikki-awawawawawa-dancing-madotsuki-meme-gif-10015888597027776222

[opaque wharf]

Konii awawa is different from my awawa

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-cats-flashback-gif-10819307

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

[silent cloak]

Neuro getting flashbacks of v1

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-vedal-nodders-neuro-nodders-gif-27335635

[warped narwhal]

thanks windows update, very cool

[umbral wigeon]

AI sliently eating gpu

[nocturne olive]

Microslop Copilot+ OS moment

[rigid snow]

i wish windows would explode on me and crash and burn and

so i can actually believe y’all

is this a psyop by Big Linux

[hearty notch]

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP

[opaque sigil]

superbox quitting windows really was a canon event

[nocturne olive]

Mine literally did
It became so unusable that I couldn't even open the start menu or shut down without pressing the power button

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cosmic-princess-kaguya-yachiyo-cosmic-princess-kaguya-yachiyo-jumping-fast-gif-8114031472651899845

[maiden geyser]

both javascript and linux were found in the big stein files. let that sink in

[olive sable]

Awawa

[tender river]

bless you

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/kon-anime-yui-yuikon-animesneeze-gif-27072991

awa

[olive sable]

Today in #baking, bread and cheese

the orange pi 5 ultra is now also out of border control things

surely it will be delivered tomorrow

[opaque wharf]

How's the dragon print going btw?

[olive sable]

it was finished 4 days ago or so

[opaque wharf]

Did you take a picture of it?

[olive sable]

i did not apparently

only took 13 hours

[opaque wharf]

Sadge

[opaque wharf]

Hey, since when did you become awa PHD now?

[olive sable]

konii is the bringer of awa to #programming

she's our awa mesiah i guess

[opaque wharf]

I swear she was still a princess just an hour ago

[olive sable]

konii is many things

[hearty notch]

wrong paste.

[olive sable]

[hearty notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMjaAhsmOyU

[olive sable]

what

[hearty notch]

i enjoyed this clip.

[olive sable]

Just imagine this IRL

[opaque wharf]

Uhhh, nightmare fuel?

[olive sable]

nah, its cute

[faint sandal]

banana bread when

[olive sable]

i can put a banana on bread

[faint sandal]

[olive sable]

do yall not do that?

its not common here but it does happen

[opaque wharf]

Fruit sandwich?

[olive sable]

banana and chocolate on bread

[noble gorge]

How does vedal makes the twins sing? How does that whole thing work cuz at first i tought he would get somebody to sing and then would compute it but it also doesnt look like its that

[opaque wharf]

It uses a different model (not a text to speech)

Also, song is not done by him

[olive sable]

its synthv or something

[noble gorge]

Ohhh gotcha appreciate it

[opaque wharf]

Man, I really appreciate the simple question about the twins instead of the usual how do I make the twin clone

[opaque wharf]

I might be making this now. I've been asking left and right on different server about what to eat during an afternoon picnic out in the open field

[gritty dust]

yum

Sam, the bios battery on the schools CNC machine died so now I gotta reset it, bleh

[inland stone]

"LLMs Don't Need More Parameters. They Need Loops."
by NeuroDump on yt
I didn't understand everything, but I wonder if tutel is using this kind of model

[opaque wharf]

Now that's something rare

Why would the cnc need to be reset?

[olive sable]

modern cnc with a built in pc im guessing

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, I may be mistaken, but usually even if the CMOS battery died and the clock got reset, our Hurco CNC still works fine. But also because we don't utilize its networking capabilities

[faint sandal]

someone hooked up a receipt printer to my discord

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-yippee-gif-teto-teto-kasane-kasane-gif-309203518793187813

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-teto-teto-plush-kasane-teto-plush-crush-it-gif-16166927453889012815

[opaque wharf]

Look at ms phd here

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/pearto-pear-teto-gif-3272696767976487565

[sage crag]

where

[olive sable]

what is hon?

[sage crag]

honourable, its a

[olive sable]

oh

[sage crag]

title

but not a real title

its more like a job description

[olive sable]

when texting its ussualy short fot honey i think

[warped narwhal]

I think depending on where you live that would be Hun

[olive sable]

we dont text in english here so

[mighty thorn]

He isn’t

[sage crag]

in the uk it would be "hun"

mom mum
hon hun

[olive sable]

in dutch it would be "schat" cuz that's the word for treasure

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1286756448134500373.webp?size=48&name=evilEyes2&lossless=true

unfortunate name

[olive sable]

wdym?

[mighty thorn]

That’s nice

[sage crag]

it sounds quite rude in english

[opaque wharf]

[warped narwhal]

Oof

What a name

[olive sable]

the sch is soft

[warped narwhal]

That makes it worse

[olive sable]

it kinfda like how sh is pronounced in the word sheep

[rigid snow]

hon also has some meanings in english

[olive sable]

yall have acces to google translate

just type it in and use the tts

[warped narwhal]

It would be pronounced as "shat" which means something that happens when you don't make it to the toilet in time

[olive sable]

no

thats different

thats with a sj sound

not sch

flat a too

english a sounds almost like an e

[opaque wharf]

hon hon hon, baguette, omellete du fromage

[warped narwhal]

I swear it is a slur against germans

But I can't quite remember

[opaque wharf]

Wtf

[olive sable]

what

[rigid snow]

i’m not aware of such

[opaque wharf]

Toast is this true?

[opaque sigil]

[warped narwhal]

Nvme it's Hun that is the slur

*nvm

[olive sable]

une poison dans une bains de chocolat 🥐 🥖

[rigid snow]

hon is the same as hun basically but there are derived meanings

or one specific i’m thinking of actually

but i shall stop here

[warped narwhal]

Welcome to #programming everybody

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

https://translate.google.com/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=schat&op=translate

[opaque wharf]

Btw, how much bandwidth do you think it would need to host a community VoIP serve ala discord for 100 people?

[warped narwhal]

Yeah, it sounded like the Ch in loch

So not like what I thought

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

[opaque wharf]

While maybe 5-10 people will use the voice chat at most, and 3-5 people will stream

[olive sable]

idk

only way to find out is to test it

[sage crag]

you need

rtx 4090

for ai feature

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

I mean, 100x48khz@16bit is 9.6MBps

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1360837088379015204.webp?size=48&name=minyanlookup&lossless=true

raw video

oh

uuh

audio

[rigid snow]

if you need the same quality as discord then 64 kbps per voice stream (64 up 64 down per user) and screen sharing is a nightmare in bandwidth in comparison yea

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1437422099101651036.webp?size=48&name=Whatever&lossless=true

[warped narwhal]

And assuming 3 video streams at 1000kbps puts you at about ~14MBps

[sage crag]

opus

[opaque wharf]

Damn, didn't know discord uses 64kbps

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1277044182527246358.webp?size=48&name=minyanstare&lossless=true

[rigid snow]

it’s configurable in vc settings but 64 is the default iirc

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, opus support up to 128 i think?

[olive sable]

you need, rtx 5090, to give to me, and then ill give you an old laptop with a ryzen 7535hs to actually run the server on

[warped narwhal]

It can go all the way up to 384 I think

[rigid snow]

spotify “high” quality preset is 192 opus

[opaque wharf]

Who would even notice the quality

[warped narwhal]

Yeah, 384 is the max

[sage crag]

Opus supports constant and variable bitrate encoding from 6 kbit/s to 510 kbit/s

you should

6 kbit/s

[rigid snow]

6kbit is actual voip

like what you get when calling on your phone

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-meme-pixelated-low-quality-low-quality-memes-gif-7074031247373220700

[rigid snow]

or around that is the minimum

there’s room to innovate here btw

[sage crag]

ye

[rigid snow]

neural codecs exist

[sage crag]

make opus

wrose

3kbit

[olive sable]

give me 5 bits

[rigid snow]

but there’s literally 0 reason to use that because the bandwidth needed for good quality is already tiny

and you’re trading that for considerable compute

[sage crag]

voip can has into perceptual coding

[rigid snow]

can has. into

[sage crag]

ye

[rigid snow]

i’m so 🥱

ios keyboard never disappoints

yes i would like 👍 to talk like 👍 this thanks 😊 for suggesting 🖤 ji