programming

[real sierra]

could certainly have it if need be

but i wanna fully rule out automod as a solution first

[hollow matrix]

The angle brackets

[glad path]

<
http://creepylink
。
com>

[real sierra]

being platform-native, it's a far cheaper option

and far more performant

[stray dragon]

yeah it sees unfinished angle brackets and wants to correct the link inside

[hollow matrix]

disscrd

[glad path]

it works

for all links by the way

<
http://di
sco
rd.
gg\neurosama>

[stray dragon]

maybe it sees the > things as run-on line continuations?

[glad path]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841075298195472434/1158546896869150770/image0-3-1.gif

[hollow matrix]

Discord is shit, that's really the main takeaway from this I feel

[stray dragon]

tell us something we don't know

they're gonna go public soon

[glad path]

<
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841075298195472434/1158546896869150770/image0-3-1
.gif?ex=6987cb60&is=698679e0
&hm=f8530e6c0bf4775980782cfd69fca53ccc9677958e4e8c5c9b841803e355d4ad&>

[real sierra]

the real solution to this is

[hollow matrix]

Anyway brb

[stray dragon]

and then it'll all keep going downhill but faster than usual

[real sierra]

automod should run on the original and post-formatting text

[glad path]

post bug report or somethign

i dont know

[real sierra]

good one

[glad path]

actually

[real sierra]

ive done my due diligence for the night

[glad path]

just

just uh

[real sierra]

im going to eat some chocolate and then go to bed

[glad path]

instead of waiting and monitoring chat

[stray dragon]

the only way they'd ever act on it is if it was a critical security flaw and at least 4 people reported it

[glad path]

we have at least 5 people in this server i think

[real sierra]

"you can use our built-in automod tools to remediate this"

[glad path]

maybe 6

[stray dragon]

but is it a critical security flaw for discord

because otherwise it is NOT getting past their ai filters for what constitutes a worthy complaint

hmm

[real sierra]

walk into an official discord-run server and start sending links with this shit in it

[stray dragon]

perhaps there is a chance

[stray dragon]

ok that'll work pretty fast LOL

[real sierra]

when they realize they can't figure out a good regex for it they'll update the whole platform

[stray dragon]

honestly the best way to fix the issue i think

[real sierra]

(PSA: dont actually do this, that would be a server raid, in fact a server raid on the people running the platform)

but yeah it would be some malicious compliance shit

[stray dragon]

they give us no other option

[jagged turtle]

their regex sucks balls because rust regex doesn't support lookarounds

[hollow matrix]

The unfortunate thing is, that there will never be a perfect regex for this, anyone smart enough could easily find some way around it because of Discord's shitty link autocorrection

[real sierra]

i mean im not sure any flavour or extension of regex makes this problem any easier

[stray dragon]

lookarounds only useful if you need the match for something i think

in this case: not needed

[jagged turtle]

im aware I'm just saying the regex just sucks in general

[stray dragon]

fair

[real sierra]

i do have to wonder, why rust regex

[jagged turtle]

probably because discord backend uses rust

[stray dragon]

news to me honestly

not too surprising i guess

[jagged turtle]

idk what they actually use but wouldn't surprise me

[stray dragon]

maybe the one unpaid intern likes rust

[jagged turtle]

or the rust cult took over discord dev team

💀 webpack

[jagged turtle]

well

why settle on one technology

when you can have 4

• react tsx

[hollow matrix]

[jagged turtle]

also wtf are they using python for

[unkempt citrus]

Glue

[hollow matrix]

They have an ai summary feature coming, maybe it's that

[unkempt citrus]

Its supposedly for their API

https://elixir-lang.org/blog/2020/10/08/real-time-communication-at-scale-with-elixir-at-discord/

[stray dragon]

coming?

[unkempt citrus]

Back in 2015, Discord chose two main languages to build their infrastructure: Elixir and Python. Elixir was initially picked to power the WebSocket gateway, responsible for relaying messages and real-time replication, while Python powered their API.

[unkempt citrus]

Its been in beta for 5 years

[stray dragon]

it's been out but hidden for a while

long while yeah

[hollow matrix]

I mean, I think some servers have it in beta

[jagged turtle]

what's the bet it's fastapi

[young plover]

The rust regex crate has bounded complexity, which requires stripping out some features, but also means they can run untrusted regex on their servers without accidentally running some ⁨O(n^1000)⁩ regex bomb

[stray dragon]

was unhidden for a short period but it's still there if you know how to show it

[real sierra]

i see

[stray dragon]

someone say "happy birthday shiro" so we can change the summary

[unkempt citrus]

Happy birthday shiro

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

dont you dare

[jagged turtle]

true but they could also disallow that?

happy birthday shiro

[real sierra]

i dont know what it is about the summaries

[hollow matrix]

Happy birthday Shiro

[stray dragon]

happy birthday shiro

[real sierra]

but literally anyone says hbd like one time

and the summary WILL change

[stray dragon]

yeah

it's great

[real sierra]

it's so consistent

[stray dragon]

watch it appear in 5 minutes

[real sierra]

at making that the central topic

[jagged turtle]

well, I guess this explains why chat features are so slow

[real sierra]

FIVE

[unkempt citrus]

That was in 2020 tbf

[jagged turtle]

and so broken

[unkempt citrus]

its probably like 4 now

[jagged turtle]

surely they scaled up by now

[unkempt citrus]

So what are the other 495 people doing

[amber fractal]

marketing

[hollow matrix]

Ignoring user reports

[unkempt citrus]

Like sure you have UI, admin, deveops, dbas

but if the chat engineering team is 5 people

[real sierra]

they maintain the ticket databases so they can store all of those government IDs they're supposed to delete

[young plover]

🤔 You could build a regex engine which times out, but otherwise I don't see how you'd analyze the regex ahead of time to see if it's safe.

[hollow matrix]

[stray dragon]

DAMN IT!!!

shiro it failed

you're safe

this time.

[amber fractal]

no extra hbd

[hollow matrix]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHIRO

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHIRO

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHIRO

[stray dragon]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHIRO!!!!!!!!!

[unkempt citrus]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHIRO

[real sierra]

[young plover]

Unless you just does disable the features that require exponential backtracking like it currently does.

[opaque wharf]

Happy birthday Shiro!

[young plover]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHIRO

[hollow matrix]

That'll do it

[amber fractal]

[stray dragon]

yeah probably

[hollow matrix]

I think it needs like at minimum 3 messages

[stray dragon]

nah it depends on how cohesive the rest of chat is i think

[amber fractal]

Can we give the summary bot a question to answer

[stray dragon]

if there's nothing else it likes to latch on to "happy birthday"

[hollow matrix]

Prompt inject the summary ai

[amber fractal]

make it produce a discord link

[unkempt citrus]

it can be 2

[real sierra]

i found out a while ago you can prompt inject google's AI

[jagged turtle]

om

[hollow matrix]

Well did you really expect you wouldn't be able to?

[real sierra]

google does try to sanitize it in most scenarios so yes

[hollow matrix]

It's AI, everything is fucked, you can make it do whatever you want if you know exactly what to say

[amber fractal]

and of course gamble on noise

[unkempt citrus]

There was a period where you could google certain things and the ai would respond in chatbot mode rather than summarising results

I can't find any pictures atm

[hollow matrix]

I remember that the beta version of google's search AI could use The Onion as a source for it's answers

[amber fractal]

I see nothing wrong here, it is a real outlet after all

[azure lynx]

literally says it's America's Finest News Source right on the tin.

[hollow matrix]

You could google something like "how many rocks should I eat" and it would tell you it's recommended to eat like 15/day or something

[amber fractal]

[azure lynx]

it depends on your activity levels obviously

[jagged turtle]

oh boy I wonder what's going to happen here

[hollow matrix]

[amber fractal]

slooooooop time

[hollow matrix]

@lucid sonnet

[amber fractal]

waiter, more slop plz I need more sauce for the spaghetti

[jagged turtle]

oh it's about them building stuff that uses AI

not them using AI to build

[young plover]

Clyde Code

[jagged turtle]

still kinda funny tho

[hollow matrix]

ye

[jagged turtle]

[hollow matrix]

Then make it better if it's causing you problems

[jagged turtle]

"most actively developed" implies they use more than just those langs

which ngl actually kinda scares me

[hollow matrix]

How much of discord is COBOL

[amber fractal]

here before nix deployment reveal

[real sierra]

that one legacy PHP script that nobody can deduce the inner workings of anymore:

[hollow matrix]

And it's the thing holding the entire site together

[jagged turtle]

oh lovely they do remote development environments and immediately realise that sending all of that html/css/js over is such a bad idea

[azure lynx]

omg. i know Elixir. As in I once had to do security audit of a codebase written in Elixir. And I still found several vulnerabilities despite not actually being able to explain the language.
and i've never seen the language again.

[jagged turtle]

and also they still use webpack so I'd be willing to bet their hot reloads are slower than the earth orbiting

[young plover]

I use as many in my job
the fact that they're all in one monorepo is the scary part

[jagged turtle]

that's what I'm saying

[jagged turtle]

although ngl idk if them moving to esbuild or rollup-vite would actually help

if the app is so large

[azure lynx]

they need to make it slower so I can read the loading messages. i get part way through the "Did you know you can..." thing and it's gone

[opaque wharf]

I have decided to ditch rust GUI project and back to QT

[hollow matrix]

I can't imagine it's easy to read at this point either, probably just a mix of many different code styles

[jagged turtle]

yup

what devs are not comfortable on the command line

[hollow matrix]

[jagged turtle]

engineering blogs are a gold mine

you learned some best practices after a memory leak

[azure lynx]

i can't get a visual studio prompt with the project's anaconda environment working inside VS Code, so not me.

[jagged turtle]

what prompt

why is this an article in the engineering & development category

[azure lynx]

the console with powershell/cmd whatever. i can get one or the other to automatically come up, so i can't easily test the python parts with the C++ parts without opening a prompt myself

i'm guessing for the same reason they have a monorepo?

[hollow matrix]

I always wondered why discord was so shit, but this look at how it is internally, it's bad

[jagged turtle]

maybe

[azure lynx]

"lack of internal organization and no clear idea of a good structure for where things should go" seems like an excuse for both

[jagged turtle]

[hollow matrix]

They didn't always have documentation for people to understand things

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-just-woke-up-anime-just-got-up-tired-gif-16935429

Goodmorning

[opaque wharf]

You are now sentenced to watch over #programming for scam link

[hollow matrix]

@olive sable Backread starts here: #programming message

[amber fractal]

discord is a functional platform with no active bugs

[unkempt citrus]

Historically they used Go too but they transitioned away from it

[olive sable]

Half the links and stuff dont work on mobile

The files and stuff

So ill have to backread again

[olive sable]

nah i dont get paid enough for that

[hollow matrix]

It's basically Shiro dying over the fact that a scammer found a way do use discord's link autocorrect to turn something that barely resembles a link into a link, so it isn't caught by automod

[opaque wharf]

You think the others get paid enough?

[rain flame]

Oh I’ll do it

[glad path]

shrio actually might have fixed it i think

sorta

idk

[real sierra]

it's a bandaid fix

will brainstorm something better for the long-term

[olive sable]

The others can do it for free if they want, i wont

I respect how the mods take a lot of their own time and spend it here

But modding and stuff just takes the fun out of discord for me

[unkempt citrus]

Have you tried mod abuse?

it adds quite a lot of spice back in

[real sierra]

very fair

I wouldn't say it's a very fun task

but I really like helping others so it gives me some sense of reward to be able to assist members of a community I care about like this

certainly not the only way to help and not something everyone is suited for

[olive sable]

If it was just the handfull of channels im active in id be fine with it

But its not

[real sierra]

yeah, once again very fair

luckily I'm active in almost every channel here

except artist alley because I suck at art

and gaming because I suck at umamusume

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

artist alley isn't very active

you can open it once a day and do 20s of backreading and you're not missing anything

[dusky jackal]

True ngl.

It has its moments.

[opaque wharf]

Moderating General and NN however,

[thick karma]

yolo

[olive sable]

[thick karma]

why the heck do people use rust honestly

I've seen it being used

in Roblox game arbiters, regular projects etc etc

[jagged turtle]

C-level performance with strong compile-time safety checks I think

[olive sable]

"performance, type safety, concurrency, and memory safety"

supposedly

[jagged turtle]

also wdym rblx game arbiters

[thick karma]

[jagged turtle]

concurrency is interesting

i've not heard it be called good for concurrency

usually go is what I hear about that

[olive sable]

idk i dont use rust

[thick karma]

I'm apart of the Old Roblox Community which reverse engineers Roblox clients (old and modern ones), Roblox game arbiters (technically custom ones) is the program responsible for launching RCCService (Roblox Compute Cloud Service which is an internal Roblox program), Executing Jobs (such as character rendering jobs, game servers, etc...) and much more.

Most of them

are written in rustlang

an example of this is Hexagon's arbiter and meowblox's arbiter

If only I had media perms I could send how RCCService looks like

or yk what I'll just do an embed fail using catbox

https://files.catbox.moe/m693w3.jpg <---- RCCService Thumbnail Generation Jobs

[rigid snow]

lang suffix is so funny

"ohhh i thought it was written in Rust, the hit game by Facepunch"

[thick karma]

Whenever I see someone say "It's written in rust" I just think it's stupid since it should be referred to as Rustlang instead of Rust since Rust is a game and Rustlang is a programming language

[rigid snow]

rust is iron oxide

[thick karma]

I already know

both have differences

[rigid snow]

rust is a word

[thick karma]

real rust

is a word yes

[olive sable]

you could then also say, c is a letter, python is an animal, ....

[thick karma]

it technically comes from corrosion

[olive sable]

go is a verb

[rigid snow]

go is a game too

[olive sable]

or something like that, idk english gramme

[thick karma]

and rust (the game) is a video game

[rigid snow]

which means rust and go are perfect for game dev

[olive sable]

[thick karma]

lol

[rigid snow]

[thick karma]

though actually the names are kind of confusing for both

[rigid snow]

golang is established

rustlang sounds weird

mixin hell

[olive sable]

i think all things considered, rust is not that bad.
there is far worse

[thick karma]

It's basically the second name for the Rust Programming language (well if people want to refer it to that)

[thick karma]

Brainfuck programming language

Binary

Assembly

you name it

[thick karma]

Yes there is a language named that

[olive sable]

i know

[rigid snow]

binary is a base and assembly is a way to write machine code

not langs

[thick karma]

There are 2 types of assembly

Normal and Web

[rigid snow]

wasm isn't a programming language either it's bytecode

[thick karma]

WebAssembly is basically assembly for browsers

[olive sable]

people going to#programming like " brainfuck"
ive been here for 2 years, i know it exists

[thick karma]

Though still, both have their differences

One time someone compiled Roblox from the 2016 source code

Into wasm

I think it's economy simulator that did it

Yeah it was

[olive sable]

compiling to wasm isnt even that hard with the proper tools

[thick karma]

Ik

[rigid snow]

also sorry for being pedantic but wasm isn't like assembly, that would be wat, wasm is like machine code in this parallel we draw

[unkempt citrus]

Golang also deals with the pain of having to google go

[thick karma]

LMAO

[olive sable]

wasm is more high level than actual assembly. structured control flow and stuff

[thick karma]

true man

[thick karma]

yep

[thick karma]

I have a friend actually that utilizes the 2016 source code for his revival (watrbx)

I could ask him

if he could recreate

the web client

aka the wasm client

[rigid snow]

all i'm saying is that assembly is a text representation of machine code and wasm is bytecode (which is kinda like machine code but for a vm) itself, the text representation of wasm is wat

[olive sable]

roblox is vulkan but with opengl fallback iirc. so it would jsut be using webgl instead in browser probably

[thick karma]

Yep, Economy Simulator had to resort into using webgl

as there were some things

ECS devs had to rewrite

in the 2016 source code

in order for it to compile

[olive sable]

checks out

[rigid snow]

NOTHING EVER WORKS

300 INJECTION FAILURES

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

we're watching the descent into madness by mlntcan

would you like a d back as consolation?

[rigid snow]

sure why not

[jagged turtle]

here, your d

[rigid snow]

????

java explod

[nocturne olive]

Kotlin smart casts would fix this

[rigid snow]

no superbox

i will not use kotlin

thank you

[nocturne olive]

Sily

[thick karma]

hello world in java:

[rough bloom]

Optional fixes this

[rigid snow]

why would i use optional

null references are convenient

[opaque sigil]

Imagine being outdone by typescript

[sage crag]

phrr

[olive sable]

hi toast

hi konii

oh

hi shuni

[rough bloom]

hi sam

[opaque sigil]

Hiii

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

chumi

wron name

samuel manuel vanuel ee

[olive sable]

ee?

[sage crag]

ee ee

[rough bloom]

koni

[rough bloom]

hi samuel manuel vanuel

[sage crag]

🎤

[olive sable]

"《wrrrr♡idol☆princess♡~《《《{▪☆"

[rigid snow]

can i book you 《wrrrr♡idol☆princess♡~《《《{▪☆

[sage crag]

me have

NOT upcoming concerts

[rigid snow]

ye asking if i can book you

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

so that there will be upcoming concert

[sage crag]

no

[olive sable]

party invite booking

[rigid snow]

what about virtual

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248294218191999118/1353485622152794172/liellesocute.gif

no

[rigid snow]

vr chat or fortnite or roblox or minecraft or

club penguin

[olive sable]

roblox

[sage crag]

ne

[rigid snow]

clash royale like lil wayne

[olive sable]

lil wayne?

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

you go

hopital

[rigid snow]

ye lil wayne had a clash royale show

[sage crag]

hopital for you

[olive sable]

thats crazy

[rigid snow]

why hopital

[sage crag]

need hopital

[rigid snow]

chip decay -> long time -> now soil

[olive sable]

nuh-uh.
ive been to the hospital enough this decade

[sage crag]

sam is

[rigid snow]

can you implant seed next

[sage crag]

large tumour

[olive sable]

well

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

thats not nice

[sage crag]

mini meringue

[rigid snow]

huh

[sage crag]

not go hopital

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

mini meringue next

[olive sable]

konii is

tv

[rigid snow]

where point

in meringue implant

[sage crag]

meringue have point

[olive sable]

meringue crunchy

[sage crag]

shaped like spiral

[rigid snow]

at the top

[sage crag]

snaaaake

snake put in

[olive sable]

is it pointy because its the top, or is it the top because its pointy?

[sage crag]

brainworm ye

snakes is worms

[rigid snow]

the former

[olive sable]

i think the latter

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[rigid snow]

sam NOT know how meringue made

[olive sable]

its the food thing

food grade bagpipe

idfk what its called

[rigid snow]

my jolly reaction to her jolly reaction

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

we say

[rigid snow]

candy floss

[olive sable]

suikerspin

sugar-spider

[rigid snow]

is that how the british call it

[sage crag]

"we"

[olive sable]

yes

we

[sage crag]

sam

only

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314196655472843/SPOILER_NeuroCuteJogInHerRoom.gif

[rigid snow]

sugar cotton in russian

cotton

[olive sable]

spider

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

we use the word spin as verb, like to spin cotton.
but the word spin is also spider in dutch

[rigid snow]

or actually what the hell does that word translate to

cottonwool?

[jagged turtle]

neuroDance

[rigid snow]

machine translate say wadding

sugar wadding

yum

[rough bloom]

Wadding is a disc of material used in guns to seal gas behind a projectile (a bullet or ball), or to separate the propellant from loosely packed shots.

[rigid snow]

like what they put in pillow

stuffed animal

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

[rough bloom]

weird word

context-dependent

[sage crag]

im two dimensional

[rough bloom]

(not the gun thing, I mean using "wadding" to refer to cotton filling thing)

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[rigid snow]

i decided no direct translation but in this context cotton

[rigid snow]

does that mean you can slip between atoms

[jagged turtle]

mlntcandy why do you not move the d to the end of mlntcan

[sage crag]

noe

[rigid snow]

funny

[olive sable]

i guess the bottom one is the closest to what mlnt and i have

[rigid snow]

candy floss sounds weird and unappealing anyway

[sage crag]

pssk

[sage crag]

spider

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[olive sable]

candy floss makes me think of the dentist

i odnt like the dentist

[rigid snow]

that's why you should remove all your teeth right now

[olive sable]

spin is dutch for spider, but its also jsut the verb of to spin cotton

so

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

ew

[rigid snow]

and you're saying spider is weird

it all makes sense now

web = floss

[sage crag]

especially doesnt mean specifically

:mlntcandy:

[rigid snow]

especially however does mean especially

so it does solidify my case

[sage crag]

no it doesnt

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[olive sable]

i like how the dutch one is coincidentally spider related, and the floss one is jsut actually based on spider threads

[rough bloom]

someone should make spider that makes cotton candy

keep as pet

candy floss also acceptable name then

[olive sable]

give the spider diabetes and the thread will taste like sugar

[rigid snow]

keep as pet live in your mouth

[sage crag]

its not based on spider threads you dimwit

[olive sable]

but spider thread = floss

its the literal definition

[sage crag]

you have stupid

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

nothing new on that front

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

do you floss?

i hate flossing

anything food related should not make me think of floss

[rigid snow]

a mass (kg) of soft (mohs scale), smooth (ISO N roughness grade) threads (zuckerberg twitter competitor) especially (= specifically) produced (music instrumental) by particular (microscopic particles) insects (stick burn smell good) and plants (nuclear power)

floss (fortnite dance)

[olive sable]

[azure lynx]

easier: candy, candy floss.

(but only if you learned british english)

[rigid snow]

look like cotton but candy
floss made out of candy

both make perfect sense

[olive sable]

true

[olive sable]

the lenses arrived

before the pi somehow

the pi got held up by customs, they made me pay 80 bucks of import taxes on a 200 euro part

[opaque wharf]

Welcome to the world of international trade

[opaque sigil]

that doesn't seem right

unless they charge stupid fees i guess

[olive sable]

40 bucks of it was fees ye

[opaque wharf]

Depends on the specific country law

[opaque sigil]

checks out

[rough bloom]

it does, I always expect ~50% if the value is actually declared properly

[opaque sigil]

here it's like 12€ or something in fees so 40 is crazy

[rough bloom]

VAT + high fees

[opaque sigil]

i think i can get rid of the fees too but i don't want to bother with the import stuff myself

[olive sable]

if thats the case, then the projector would have 300 bucks worth of taxes

[opaque wharf]

RIP Sam's wallet

[olive sable]

48.73 euro in taxes, 40 euro in "border-formalities"

[rough bloom]

ye I practically only buy from within the EU, unless it's a super cheap part that falls below the minimum value thing, like some random PCIe bracket
much more convenient

[opaque sigil]

importing still ends up being cheaper overall a lot of the times for me

[olive sable]

most of the stuff i buy is under the min value, or labelled incorrectly

[opaque sigil]

though you pay in time i guess

[olive sable]

ye

[opaque sigil]

some shops will also give you two invoices for uhhh

reasons

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

2021 was nice because they lowered vat to 16% so eur + vat was exactly usd

[opaque wharf]

VAT is 11% here

[olive sable]

21% here

[opaque sigil]

it varies here but the default is 19

[opaque wharf]

Used to be 10%, but they raised that 2024

[tender river]

i didnt know the uk name
and in australia it's called fairy floss apparently

[olive sable]

I sent superbox's 3090 as a gift, so it had 0% vat

[opaque wharf]

As it should be

[opaque sigil]

he shouldn't have to pay vat anyway

it's only paid once it enters the eu

[olive sable]

Big lens

im not sure yet if the small one is gonna be big enough even if directly ontop of the stock lens, but we'll see

from my understanding it should only affect the brightness if it doesnt fully cover

[olive sable]

the projector is Estimated delivery 04 February 2026

i think they might want to change their estimation

[opaque sigil]

oh right it's chinese new years at the moment

[opaque wharf]

Uhh not yet

Around 12th

Usually 2 weeks holiday

[opaque sigil]

they usually shut down before too already no?

[opaque wharf]

Nope, at least not this early

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

But I guess that also depends on the company

But yeah, they have 2 weeks holiday so even if they are already on break, Sam purchase it from USA

[opaque sigil]

oh did he

[opaque wharf]

Does ebay have chinese seller?

[olive sable]

ye

ebay

[opaque sigil]

ah, i thought you got it off aliexpress

[olive sable]

i replied ye to toast

[opaque wharf]

Because I genuinely don't know

[olive sable]

its from the usa

[opaque sigil]

you can buy stuff from china via ebay but those may as well be fake listings

[olive sable]

im pretty sure chinese people are also on ebay

my package came from PHILADELPHIA

[maiden geyser]

bro's a cyclope

[opaque wharf]

Prescription glasses for them must be hella expensive

[olive sable]

[hollow venture]

I’m at a Robotics competition right now, Vex 5VRC robotics and each game will be live streamed (not self promotion since the broadcaster from the Vex Official account)

[opaque wharf]

I prefer NHRL style

[obsidian mantle]

what the fuck

just assign it dumbass what are you checking here

is he telling me int and unsigned int are different size

[opaque sigil]

not every instance of a signed int is guaranteed to also be a valid instance of an unsigned int

[cosmic sphinx]

this

[opaque sigil]

need to cast manually

to tell it that "if this number is negative that's on me"

[opaque wharf]

How so?

[obsidian mantle]

4 bytes is 4 bytes

[opaque sigil]

cool let's just completely bypass the type system

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, this is what I was thinking as well

[opaque sigil]

converting the value -1 into an unsigned integer makes no sense, yes it's 0xFFFFFFFF

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, that conversion code is not shown

[obsidian mantle]

honestly im not using unsigned int everywhere because they made its name so long
"U N S I G N E D"

just call it uint

[opaque wharf]

So I assume it is already converted explicitly?

[obsidian mantle]

uint ulong whats wrong with these names?

why should i write entire essay

[opaque sigil]

i'm not sure about the error 100% but to me it sounded like it tried to implicitly cast and rightfully failed

[obsidian mantle]

"the variable after this statement has no sign and is considered unsigned int" lets call it this

[opaque wharf]

Implicit cast I understand

[obsidian mantle]

the variable after this statement has no sign and is considered unsigned int var1 = 0;

humane

[opaque sigil]

make your own aliases

[olive sable]

so uint vs int only makes a difference if you need to do math with it or something?

[obsidian mantle]

only if you need sign

[opaque sigil]

uint implies the value should never be less than 0

[obsidian mantle]

my case was packed bits into int so i didnt care

[opaque sigil]

then that's fine, just cast it

or make it a character array

[obsidian mantle]

yeah but why do i need to explicitly do it

[opaque wharf]

No

[obsidian mantle]

i guess in some cases it might be useful to be told

[opaque wharf]

They are indeed a different type

[opaque sigil]

because the compiler cannot read your mind

[olive sable]

if you cast it i guess ye.

i was thinking purely on the bits side

[obsidian mantle]

honestly, i only got surprised because i have been doing this implicit casting for like 2 weeks now

and only now it warned me

[opaque wharf]

On the bits side, there are no different

[olive sable]

if you keep the same bits, the read value will increment or decrease by 2147483648

[opaque wharf]

But again, 0xFFFFFFFF is -1 or a very big number

But since that is a source code, there is a thing called types

[tender river]

⁨#include <cstdint>⁩

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/header/cstdint.html

[opaque sigil]

oh right this is c++, for some reason i thought he was using C#

i blame visual studio

[sage crag]

cstdint

[olive sable]

[shrewd cloak]

in other words u can also say u can fit more positive values into 32 bits than signed int (4.2*1e9),

[olive sable]

yes

[shrewd cloak]

which is kinda useful for low level implementations

[olive sable]

depends on the usacase ye

like ye, i know there's a reason we distinguish between int and uint

[sage crag]

c integer types bad anyway

[opaque sigil]

one thing you can do if you're really lazy is use a u31 and cast between signed and unsigned at will

[sage crag]

always use stdint

[olive sable]

why tho?

i do use stdint so i havent experienced c int types

[sage crag]

no guaranteed width per platform

not defined in c standard

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

the standard only defines some inequalities that have to hold

fun

[sage crag]

ye

[shrewd cloak]

its better to use only one based on use case, or make 2 variables one for each

[olive sable]

so stdint makes it always the same?

4 bytes iirc

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

stdint gives you a mapping to more sane names whenever possible

[shrewd cloak]

inequalities with uint and signed int ahh yes

[olive sable]

oh

[obsidian mantle]

they really put a lot of hidden shit like this that needs filtering

[olive sable]

you just meant using uint32

defining the amount of bit

[opaque sigil]

yeah it'll define those types when possible on the current platform

[obsidian mantle]

here the nord has no name so i can filter by name but sometimes its called something like "this should not be visible" or for example "test" like in screenshot

[opaque wharf]

Don't....

[opaque sigil]

you can't stop me

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

it's just a u32 with extra compile-time checks in place

[olive sable]

would it be more performant than casting?

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

I cannot sleep knowing there are people out there that will implement u31

[sage crag]

there is no platform native u31

[sage crag]

llvm already

[sick owl]

Claude Opus 4.6 going schizo and fighting with its own reinforcement learning

[idle dune]

Morning #programming

[sage crag]

supports arbitrary width integers

[opaque wharf]

What do you mean?

[sick owl]

From the model card ^

[olive sable]

if its faster then i dont care.
id do a lot for more fps

[opaque sigil]

very convenient for packed structs

[sage crag]

its not faster

[opaque sigil]

it's not faster

[olive sable]

then its worthless

[sage crag]

unless your platform has a u31 native

even then, very minimal

since addition ops for all width integers are typically a single cycle

[olive sable]

true

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Also, I hate windows for using word, dword, and all that

[sage crag]

llvm already supports arbitrary width integers

one language that uses them is zig

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I've read the next messags

[shrewd cloak]

🤔 is it? pretty sure it depends on byte size

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314197993459712/SPOILER_NeuroNewYearCute5.gif

[olive sable]

im 3d printing a dragon for my sister. 18 hours
also, my tpu seems to be doing pretty well even without drying it

[opaque sigil]

all additions on modern cpus is 1 cycle

[opaque wharf]

Add 2048-bit rsa private key

[azure lynx]

probably done on multiple 128-bit or 256-bit words

[shrewd cloak]

i should read more abt isa

[sick owl]

Man made horrors beyond our comprehension

[opaque sigil]

i don't actually remember if vector addition is guaranteed to be 1 cycle

[opaque wharf]

For now... For TPU I'd suggest store it always in a dry box. The stringing can be insane and also the popping sound of bubble can be heard when wet/humid

[olive sable]

you can even do 16 additions at the same time in a single cycle with avx 512

[opaque sigil]

nah

it takes a couple cycles

[opaque wharf]

I don't think so

[sage crag]

[shrewd cloak]

not sure what that is

[sage crag]

no

[opaque wharf]

A reaaaaaally big number

[olive sable]

depends on the specific instruction no?
i thought some were 1 cycle and some were more

[idle dune]

I've had newest Claude tell me to pirate 30 year old games/movies and also mansplaing Canadian law to me, a legal professional >_>

[opaque wharf]

Prime number to be precise

[opaque sigil]

i don't think there are any avx512 instructions that run in 1 cycle, though i could be wrong

cba to look up amd's manual

[opaque wharf]

No, vector doesn't have any instruction that is single cycle

[azure lynx]

Your 2048-bit key will be something less than 32317006071311007300714876688669951960444102669715484032130345427524655138867890893197201411522913463688717960921898019494119559150490921095088152386448283120630877367300996091750197750389652106796057638384067568276792218642619756161838094338476170470581645852036305042887575891541065808607552399123930385521914333389668342420684974786564569494856176035326322058077805659331026192708460314150258592864177116725943603718461857357598351152301645904403697613233287231227125684710820209725157101726931323469678542580656697935045997268352998638215525166389437335543602135433229604645318478604952148193555853611059596230656.

[olive sable]

AMD Zen 5: Features a native 512-bit data path, allowing it to handle 512-bit operations, including additions, in a single cycle.

supposedly

[sick owl]

They're certainly interesting models that's for sure

[shrewd cloak]

i get 2048 bits part, dunno rsa private key thing

[sick owl]

Apparently it also hates anthropic

[opaque wharf]

Prime number used for encryption

[shrewd cloak]

i see

[opaque wharf]

Konii, does LLVM variable integer can be used to make a packet encoder-decoder

[olive sable]

it should be able to i think

idk why you would tho

[sage crag]

ye

[opaque sigil]

that is one of its main purposes yes

[sage crag]

work for packed struct

work for packet

[opaque wharf]

I want to make a simple protocol to communicate with MCU and always ended up writing too many utils for the encoder-decoder

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Neat

[sage crag]

try in zig

[opaque wharf]

I have not looked at zig since the v0 good time to check it out again I guess

[rigid snow]

i think it's pretty funny that the model series with the most personality is by THE safety lab

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Can't remember zig or nim tho

Probably zig

Yep, they are still at v0.#

[olive sable]

it isnt doing any popping nor bubbling. the stringing is also pretty manageable

[idle dune]

My high ass thought this was a Whyle Coyote style hole in your baseplate

[opaque sigil]

made me check the reference, looks like it's true at least for packed integer addition

this xlsx is choking my libreoffice to death

[olive sable]

from what i understand, am4 had to do 2 cycles with 256bit native hardware stuff

idk

i'm very glad i don't have to think about the specific cpu hardware when i'm programming my crimes

[opaque sigil]

dw gpus are just as bad if not worse

[olive sable]

true

[opaque wharf]

I have a 70Mb xlsx file from a tax accountant friend

[olive sable]

cuda cores are in the thousands, but there are only 8 to 16 xe cores in a intel gpu so they must not be the same type of core
and what amd is doing i have no clue

[opaque sigil]

my condolences

cuda cores are a lie

the only thing you could kind of compare are SMs

[maiden geyser]

are we getting x86_512 before x86_128

[olive sable]

idk

id be suprised if 128 doesnt exist

arent the cpu architectures still 64bit in terms of x86_64 thing

[opaque sigil]

maybe that's where the 64 is coming from

[olive sable]

i think the general purpose registers are 64bit, and the avx ones are 512 or something

[opaque wharf]

They are all the same on the die anyway because register renaming and voodoo magic

[olive sable]

so the 64bit ones are also 512 but just waste most of the space?

or wdym?

[opaque wharf]

Yes

But also no, it does not waste space

[sage crag]

❌

there are multiple differently sized registers

[opaque wharf]

But they are not made differently on the die no?

[olive sable]

im getting 2 very different answers here

[sage crag]

well, there is a difference between physical registers and the registers you use in asm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1340027364540940288.webp?size=48&name=evilThink&lossless=true

[olive sable]

we're talkign cpu hardware physical

[opaque wharf]

Yes, that's my point. The 64 bit and the 512 bit are physically using the same structure on the die

[sage crag]

ye ye

[olive sable]

so then how is it not wasting space if the 64 ones are only using 64 of the available 512 bit space?

[sage crag]

no, avx is different

[opaque wharf]

Voodoo black magic

[olive sable]

so the 512 bit avx ones are larger?

[sage crag]

ye

as far as im aware that's typical

[opaque wharf]

Is it? Isn't it composed of multiple 64 bit register?

Ohh, I get what you mean now

[olive sable]

it shouldnt be

jsut one 512bit avx register

[opaque wharf]

https://youtu.be/9EY_9KtxyPg

[olive sable]

according to some docs they can do 64bit operations via a seperate 64bit "opmask" register

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1340027364540940288.webp?size=48&name=evilThink&lossless=true actually it looks like the

xmm registers are the low bits of the ymm registers

and the ymm registers are the low bits of the zmm registers

[opaque sigil]

you can use several 64-bit registers backed by the same vector register

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

This

Thanks for composing the word

[sage crag]

so, xmm0..15 (sse), ymm0..15 (avx/avx2), and zmm0..15 (avx512) are alll using the physical zmm0..15 registers, but they use the low-bits (sse 128, avx/avx2 256)

[olive sable]

so thats what the opmask is for then

[opaque sigil]

the 64-bit ones are available as multiple smaller ones too

don't remember the exact names

there's some funky optimisations you can make with this

by abusing it

[opaque wharf]

That's the voodoo blackmagic

[opaque sigil]

i say you but let the compiler do that

[olive sable]

if you're not abusing the cpu hardware for more performance, are you even using it properly?

[sage crag]

that's the cool thing about

turing machines

[olive sable]

how so?

oh

cpu = turing machine

[opaque sigil]

cpus are register machines

not that it matters the end result is the same, they can compute anything

[olive sable]

turing complete but not turing machine?

[opaque sigil]

different model of computation

[opaque wharf]

It is called register machine as toast said

[opaque sigil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_of_computation there's a couple

[olive sable]

thats crazy

[opaque sigil]

they're equivalent too in that iirc each one can simulate every other one

[opaque wharf]

I also still highly recommend to watch the liveoverflow video if you want to know the low level stuff

Especially the cpu vuln series

[olive sable]

its a whole 26 minutes tho

ill watch it later

[opaque sigil]

there's so much implicit shit

[olive sable]

but im an idiot and have autism

[opaque sigil]

like how writing to xmm0 automatically clears the upper half of ymm0

so you can clear ymm0 by xor'ing xmm0 with itself

because of course, duh

[opaque wharf]

x86 🏛️

I don't have the duck classic emote so that'll do

[olive sable]

new discord error unlocked

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1154436961277313126.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=evilSlam&lossless=true

[opaque wharf]

You've broke them twice now. Quick get a lottery

[sage crag]

writing to eax clears the top bits of rax, but writing to ax doesnt clear the top bits of rax

[olive sable]

it seems to be a firefox issue or osmething

[sage crag]

32-bit writes get zero extend

but 16 bit doesnt

x86 🏛️

[olive sable]

discord crashed when i changed the tab on the localhost of the 3d printer website

im assuming discord also just runs through firefox

[opaque wharf]

I used firefox with no issue. Maybe your specific nix config is causing something

[olive sable]

im most definetly doing somthing wrong, the question is exactly what

[azure lynx]

being able to trigger it controllably would be interesting.

[olive sable]

that would narrow down the issue i guess

but id rather just fix it completely

[azure lynx]

if it's in their code then you can't fix it

it shouldn't crash error like that on you no matter what crap you throw at it. it should just fail.

[olive sable]

its something to do with whats happening between firefox and my hardware.
i think its gpu related too

[olive sable]

i have discord on dev mode

so it will just show errors instead of silently dying

[sage crag]

wrr

[olive sable]

id rather have it show errors than pretending nothing happened

[azure lynx]

so that's what it does... i have that mode set too coz i almost always enable dev mode.

[olive sable]

i enabled it to start with so i could easily copy people's discord id

[olive sable]

we're back to the first error

it also seems to not like it when i hover over a server, the tooltip servername thingy also crashes it sometimes

[opaque wharf]

Time to buy lottery

[olive sable]

why the lottery?

[azure lynx]

once is chance, twice is coincidence. three times is enemy action. (or a bug in something somewhere)

[olive sable]

like i said, its a problem between firefox and my hardware

all the things that use firefox on my pc crash on occasion

i think its a gpu thing

[azure lynx]

i think the error is "it stopped sending json "packets" but didn't clean up after itself". something else might've crashed.

[olive sable]

firefox itself just crashed so lets take a look

[opaque sigil]

i'm inclined to blame hyprland

[olive sable]

it worked fine when i was still on cachyos

it has to be a nixos setting i fucked up

[opaque sigil]

well, what's the error

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

idk, its somewhere in that crash dump

[opaque sigil]

discord website

[olive sable]

i fed the file to chatgpt, lets see what it says

[opaque sigil]

that report seems kind of useless

just a state dump

[azure lynx]

that text blob just gave stats. there's probably another file with the stack traces and memory maps

[opaque sigil]

maybe journalctl has something useful?

[olive sable]

WebRender enabled
EGL failed at least once
GL context eventually created
WebGL works

i may have some setting about egl wrong in my nixos config

probably

[opaque sigil]

egl is kind of just broken in general tbf

[olive sable]

i have some stack overrides on opengl when i tried to fix my ff14 crashing

[amber fractal]

vulkan to opengl mabe

I swear there is some way to make those only target one game as I've first seen it as a checkbox for minecraft in prism

[olive sable]

welp

its my nixos 100th generation

i should prob clean my older gens, i havent deleted the old ones in a while

+21GB

[opaque sigil]

might be a good idea to enable automatic cleanup

[olive sable]

nah

i dont want to have it delete too much

i want at least one or two backup gens, even if they are a month old

[opaque sigil]

i have it set to delete 2 week old ones once a week, is a nice enough buffer

fair enough

you can do that too btw, pretty sure it takes an option to keep x many

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

except I delete manually
I don't like automatic garbage collection, rebuilds take too long and I don't wanna pin everything

[opaque sigil]

actually

the man page seems to indicate you can only delete older than a certain period?

[rough bloom]

ye that what I use

nix-collect-garbage --delete-older-than 30d

also I lied

I use a month

-# need to run as root probably, I don't think it'll delete the generations otherwise

[opaque sigil]

that's kind of weird that it wouldn't let you say "just keep the last 5 generations"

my favourite part of nix is finding out you have 6 versions of your project's flake in the so you have several copies of the same 150gb folder despite it being gitignored

[olive sable]

you have WHAT?

[rough bloom]

at least btrfs deduplicates it

or nix store hardlinking if you do that

[opaque sigil]

i should probably enable hardlinking huh

[rough bloom]

wine has some issues with it apparently

• it's annoying to run

btrfs better

[opaque sigil]

i think i tried bees once and decided i'd rather eat the storage cost than the ram cost

[opaque sigil]

it happens quickly okay, you make any changes to the flake and boom, new copy for the store

[rough bloom]

yeah, it's really bad
configurable though

[opaque sigil]

i think the recommended was 4gb per tb or something?

[rough bloom]

I set it to have the worst possible RAM usage
but I'm pretty sure it would get 90% of the way there with a much lower setting

[opaque sigil]

which is uhh

a lot

[olive sable]

could you elebaorate how changing a flake copies 150gb of files?

[opaque sigil]

oh wait it's 4gb if you want 4k extents for the full deduplication

[rough bloom]

ye that what I did

but it's a stupid configuration

just use 16k extents or something

[rough bloom]

nix develop and I think also nix build or anything else that touches flakes always copies the whole flake directory to the Nix store

[olive sable]

so the /etc/nixos/flake.nix i have copies the whole /etc/nixos/ to the store?

[idle dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4e-Kt02rfc You'll own nothing and be happy

Subscription for laptop

[olive sable]

i wonder what the policy is for theft or breakign the laptop

[idle dune]

I'm curious too

[olive sable]

if its lax id just start taking them

[idle dune]

What fi someone grabs the subscription and someone "steals it"

[olive sable]

oopsie i lost it

[idle dune]

Exactly

[opaque sigil]

, nix flake metadata shows it in the header

[amber fractal]

reflashing with another os

surely they track it perfectly

[idle dune]

Okay so there is no option to buy out, and the contract forbids sale of the laptop. There is also no included damage coverage, that is an extra cost.

[olive sable]

[idle dune]

HP can get fucked

[olive sable]

what if i take on the subscrription of 20 of their most expensive laptops, and then flee the country?

[idle dune]

Remote lock

[olive sable]

i can get around the software i imagine

jsut put another ssd in there

[idle dune]

BIOs lock I imagine

[olive sable]

bios flash?

[idle dune]

Perhaps

[olive sable]

if need be reflash the eprom

[idle dune]

[opaque wharf]

If they have the same retail hw then sure

That is a very possible route to take

[olive sable]

120 per month squared

they get exponentially more expensive as time goes on

wait

[idle dune]

Who the fuck is going to pay 129.99 a month for a gaming machine.

[olive sable]

(120/m)^2
or
120/(m^2)

[idle dune]

No its just part of how HP explains things on their site iwth annotations, they market thhings ^1 and ^2 and so on with a legend at the end

[stray dragon]

so it's the cost of the entire laptop per year

damn that's a ripoff

[idle dune]

no the math comes out to half the laptops total price per year

Year 1: Half price
Year 2: full price paid
Year 3: Replacment offered

[stray dragon]

i don't see why you would get this over the "pay over x months" option

[idle dune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warped narwhal]

Do you get to keep the laptop after you fully pay it off?

[idle dune]

[idle dune]

@warped narwhal

[stray dragon]

that's actually just a worse deal straightup

you will own nothing and you will be happy

[idle dune]

If you don';t pay the subscription its on your credit report and HP reserves the right to remote lock your system after 45 day grace period

[idle dune]

Quite literally

Its been out for 8 months ish

[opaque sigil]

okay i was going to say this could be nice if you only need a laptop for a short period of time (let's say a month or two) but you're locked into a year at minimum huh

[stray dragon]

oh that's even more fucked

[warped narwhal]

The only way I see this being worth the money is if you keep replacing it every year

[opaque sigil]

30 day trial period at least i guess so if you need something once for a bit maybe? idk

[warped narwhal]

and you were going to replace it every year even without the renting

[opaque sigil]

Mhm

you get a pretty decent discount + a bunch of stuff that comes with it

[idle dune]

Locked in for a year minimum and failure is added to your credit report.

https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765

Its basiclly a scam

[opaque sigil]

i wouldn't call it a scam

[idle dune]

But this is the same company that has a sub for printer ink

[opaque sigil]

there is absolutely a group of people this is really nice for

[amber fractal]

It is "innovation"

[azure lynx]

what? there's a corporation out there not looking out for MY interests?

[idle dune]

But the issue is that the people that would benefit out fo this would have the value propsoition of this subscription outdone by a Chromebook

[opaque sigil]

idk

maybe

not for me to decide anyway

[idle dune]