I have training to do
#programming
fast pagoda
I saw 5.3 codex helped a lot with its own training
Doomsday clock advancement wheeee
amber fractal
okay maybe if I wanted to use the tensorflow dataset pacakge I shouldn't have yeeted tensorflow 
Smol jank later and dataset aquired
how tf am I doing convs on 28x28 sized arrays
In pure technicallity, I guess it is possible to do a 7x7 conv if I can manage to get the 4x4 conv result to be in a small enough dtype
Do I actually want to do that, frick no
lucky for me, dealing with that is a future me problem
azure lynx
future me doesn't appreciate all the shit i've done them. they deserve the occasional impossible task being dropped on them at the last minute.
amber fractal
I think that is all of the code I need, let's see if it explodes
last minute bug fix and now my boi is going
it has no errors
it also didn't overflow which is an error in this version
Should have had it print how many cases it used
go again
811 cases used
YEAHHHHHHH BOIII IT WORKS
Bro, what is this ratio. 811 / 60000*49 because that is the ratio of cases per data
fast pagoda
okay maybe if I wanted to use the tensorflow dataset pacakge I shouldn't have ye...
tensorflow exploded last tiem i installed it
amber fractal
tensorflows purpose is to convert to numpy
fast pagoda
sounds like something it would explode doing
amber fractal
no issue as long as you put the entire dataset into ram 
I'm going to let myself have this before dealing with the training set to see how it does.
glad path
i sure love my servos randomly not working
amber fractal
The thing functioning at all was a slim chance
glad path
anyways I fixed it
amber fractal
olive sable
Frodo is overrated, samwise is the mvp
amber fractal
sure thing samthewise graphics programmer
void marsh
guys i think imma switch back
olive sable
Switch back to what?
faint sandal
switch back to switch 1
amber fractal
Switch back to what?
windows 
velvet crestBOT
You have unlocked new role
amber fractal
understandable
void marsh
BUTT
amber fractal
and congrats, you have embed perms
amber fractal
faint sandal
just use iot ltsc dawg
amber fractal
that as well, if you can find it
faint sandal
it is hosted on Microsoft
olive sable
my drawing tablet crashes my pc every 5 minutes
I havent had issues with drawing tablets lmao.
Im guessing you used openTabletDriver?
olive sable
void marsh
i uysed xp pens deafult drivers
olive sable
void marsh
aw shit
wait a minute
my pc already had all this useful stuff downloaded onto windows
now i will not have it
olive sable
void marsh
does windows 11 crash out if u use it on ventoy
amber fractal
it's a gamble, most of the time it works
most of the time if it doesn't work, ventoy wasn't working already
void marsh
rip
amber fractal
you should be fine because you already used it for linux
void marsh
ok
olive sable
void marsh
also tbh
this pop os stuff wasnt really doing it
im wayy more used to steam os
hell maybe i should try steam os
void marsh
what about all those steam os distros
amber fractal
A lot of people recommend bazzite for something similar
void marsh
the one that crazy man uses
amber fractal
a lot of steam os distros aren't directly built on it but similarly built from regular distros to act like steam os.
meaning you get the hardware support for daily usage and steam os nice to haves
fast pagoda
steam os is ARCH btw
it's just an immutable arch distro
i usually default back to an arch distro called garuda which is out of pure laziness because it builds a lot in as far as like gaming shit and gpu related stuff goes
amber fractal
Bro, what is this ratio. `811 / 60000*49` because that is the ratio of cases per...
Okay, it is not overfitting at all :SAVED:
void marsh
what even is this bro
someone teach me
i wanna be cool
guys how do i boot into the thing that lets you boot from devices
fast pagoda
depends on your mobo but for me it's f10
unkempt citrus
del even
young plover
I usually mash delete
That works to get into the BIOS on pretty much everything, and you can get to a boot menu from there
azure lynx
sometimes it's del, but usually you can do "advanced startup" (type "bios" in your windows menu) and use that to restart with the bios (after another menu or 2?)
void marsh
im on pop os
young plover
There's a systemd command for it, need to check
sudo systemctl reboot --firmware-setup
fast pagoda
oh yeah
young plover
on windows
sudo shutdown /r /fw /t 0
(or admin command prompt if you don't have Windows sudo enabled)
fast pagoda
windows also just has the advanced startup button if you hit window key and type uefi
young plover
yeah, the menu is so slow though
fast pagoda
same works on kde actually
fast pagoda
yeah, the menu is so slow though
i dont have that issue unless you're talking about having to go into windows copium bright blue startup troubleshooter thing
faint sandal
on windows
`sudo shutdown /r /fw /t 0`
(or admin command prompt if you don't h...
shutdown does not need elevation
young plover
🤔 might depend on the arguments, I remember needing it
faint sandal
rebooting into firmware might need it
azure lynx
i know it used to at least require admin access to do it. not sure if just admin user or administrator account
fast pagoda
garuda builds in like every gaming shit into a nice windows style idiot friendly helper thing that saves 2 seconds but feels nice to not have to even think about
in exchange all you have to do is have a 4gb iso
but is also arch so you can do whatever
somehow it has also been the single most stable distro ive used
by kinda a lot
faint sandal
ok yeah I just checked rebooting into firmware specifically requires elevation
fast pagoda
but why
faint sandal
but why
it's less of a Windows specific thing but more so it needs to write to the EFI vars
it writes EFI_OS_INDICATIONS_BOOT_TO_FW_UI to OsIndications in EFI vars
you obviously would want EFI vars to be protected by security mechanisms
fast pagoda
linux does not have to because systemd boot is still running as a uefi application
it reboots the same way though, writes to OsIndications
faint sandal
so is the windows bootloader
fast pagoda
well then windows must be writing from the os environment and not the bootloader when using the option
faint sandal
well yeah
fast pagoda
torvalds says yolo
faint sandal
basically what's explained here https://superuser.com/questions/1506321/how-does-windows-bootloader-add-option-to-open-firmware-setup
fast pagoda
my query is less about how it does it but why they've chosen that way vs not requiring elevation like systemd seems to be able to do just fine
either linux playing fast and loose with efi vars or windows being overly paranoid
or somehwere in the middle like things usually are
Linux Kernel EFI Boot Stub
guess it's this but idk why windows doesnt do similar https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/efi-stub.html
kde called systemd-logind via d-bus to write to efi for it
so polkit just abstracts the elevation away due to local user perms letting you do pretty much any reboot action without authentication prompt
faint sandal
my query is less about how it does it but why they've chosen that way vs not req...
on windows that's considered equivalent of letting a random application write to bcd which is a no-no
anything that tampers with boot in any way will require elevation
fast pagoda
does it depend on search provider
firefox does it for me but vivaldi doesnt but i use startpage on vivaldi rn still
faint sandal
no
fast pagoda
google itself does it inline in searches so i just figured maybe it was that but it appears to be a ff & derivatives thing
dont have chrome installed to see
ewwww
think this is the first time ive installed actual chrome on any linux install
to check a calculator
kek
tru
fast pagoda
on windows that's considered equivalent of letting a random application write to...
polkit bypasses it but only for local seat via checking which tty is active and which tty logind is issuing it from
polkit is nice for random things but also is just strange and probably less secure than how windows w/ uac and such handles things
faint sandal
it's gonna be even more locked down once adminiatrator protection rolls around
covert bane
Probably with over a hundred bugs
faint sandal
Probably with over a hundred bugs
it's fairly solid actually
covert bane
Ooh, okay.
rigid snow
i have the free plan 
opaque wharf
Since forever ago
jagged turtle
what are those 9 repositories
rigid snow
windows, ms word, excel, powerpoint, xbox ui, ms teams, ms teams (new), ms teams (new) (2),
and this
rigid snow
interestingly enough
idle dune
I was wondering by my MacBook Pros battery was so bad
I checked it on with upower
8.8%
patent shard
with over twice the CL
2133mhz ddr3 is cl 9 to cl 11, depending on how much you want to pay
the ram there isn't even running that fast
quick condor
The more I mess around with openclaw (moltbot/clawdbot) the more it stands out as an absolute vibe coded mess... I thought the only thing worse than my code was my vibe coded code but now I realize it's actually way worse
Lamo I mostly work with mistral (use Devstral2 Small, Magistral 1.2 Small, Mistral 3.2 Small, Ministral 3 3/8/14b all with and without pixtral vision) and was planning on moving to voxtral when I have time even before this came out. They aren't frontier but they release a ton of weights for models that you can actually run local (also their api OCR is stupid good)
opaque wharf
Is a Persona integration possible?
Any integration is possible with enough effort
But yeah, turn based games effort would be lower compared to something like minecraft
Even if there are no modding sdk
You can always do screen capture
nocturne olive
As long as there's nothing real-time in the game, Neuro can probably play it
jagged turtle
maybe
true hemlock
What the hell is RAM in my work PC doing bro 😭
why did your workplace wanted to get as low cl as possible to the point of down clocking the dimms
topaz tendon
why did your workplace wanted to get as low cl as possible to the point of down ...
I think it's Dell doing that automatically... Doesn't like having 3 sticks to work with
true hemlock
I think it's Dell doing that automatically... Doesn't like having 3 sticks to wo...
even with 3 stick scuff it still won't be that low
worst you usually get is ddr4 speeds with ddr5 cl
topaz tendon
I'll have to look into the BIOS later if Dell even allows changing these things
quick condor
I need to adjust my settings or model I'm using when it's just single output inference. Right now my computer can support around 6x concurrency on what are respectability sized local models
true hemlock
what
midnight sigil
amber fractal
In response to having to rewrite NN again, I have resorted to gambling
It was fun tho
jagged turtle
@faint sandal what are you doing in my recommended
faint sandal
jagged turtle
hi
you wouldn't be the first person whose vods got into my recommended
like literally everyone's vods show up in my recommended
even people who I've never heard of
like neuro (kinda)
rigid snow
mixin hell
opaque wharf
mixin hell
Java or audio?
opaque wharf
Yeah, cooking too lol
sick owl
I saw 5.3 codex helped a lot with its own training
It built tools that help the human researchers evaluate metrics and monitored the training runs, I wouldn't say it's terribly close to self-improvement though
rigid snow
this ain't dogfooding this is cannibalism atp
rigid snow
mixin hell
can't shadow a field of a package private type
even though it compiles and runs but only crashes when the class is instantiated
i dont want to do access widening noo noooo 
yeah ts is never coming
opaque wharf
i dont want to do access widening noo noooo <a:SCHIZO:1137565307582566532>
JUST DO IT. DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAM
light tartan
did anyone try doing games on an lcd display using arduino's liquid display?
tender river
no im not implementing it 
but consider it anyway
tender river
sage crag
opaque sigil
true hemlock
someone said they wanna buy gtx 1650 for 65 euros, i told them its overpriced i wouldn't pay more than 40 euros for that shit
bro thought im trolling so he asked other people and he went "b-but its better than my 1060 6gb" when people told him im right
ALL of us immediately crashed out when he said that 😭
rigid snow
JUST DO IT. DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAM
huge mistake, remapping failed and tainted the sources, have to redownload everything
nocturne olive
someone said they wanna buy gtx 1650 for 65 euros, i told them its overpriced i ...
Isn't the 1650 worse than the 1060?
opaque wharf
huge mistake, remapping failed and tainted the sources, have to redownload every...
"Hmmm, how do I revert to a commit again? Ahhh, rm -rf it is"
rigid snow
no it was neoforge assets only for some reason but the remapping failed on the fabric jar and now i can't even repro the access widener just silently doesn't work
absurd
true hemlock
Isn't the 1650 *worse* than the 1060?
exactly the point why we all crashed out.
nocturne olive
Average "bigger number better" idiot
proven merlin
Well there ONE point where the 1650 IS better than a 1060
nivida-open
Cuz 1650 is turing
Is it a good point? Not particularly
But it is a point
opaque sigil
Isn't the 1650 *worse* than the 1060?
It shouldn't be but we can't have nice things
rigid snow
no it was neoforge assets only for some reason but the remapping failed on the f...
just silently doesn't work
i wonder why
i'm cooked
i don't think even reflection is saving me here it'll just be an access violation
oh right Field.setAccessible
we're so back
true hemlock
It shouldn't be but we can't have nice things
yeah, the 1650 felt more like e waste
the super variant is wayyyy better
opaque wharf
we're so back
I'll be waiting for the next cooked 
rigid snow
i run into the same problem again 
at least reflection works
as a solution
well, kind of, the class is still private
lament igloo
FOSS "lightweight" video editor vs bloated google-infested browser
who will win
opaque wharf
i run into the same problem again <:evilDeadge:1150735483396161586> at least ref...
All it took was 40 minutes lol
opaque wharf
FOSS "lightweight" video editor vs bloated google-infested browser
who will win
Well, to be fair, 1.2GB for video editor is light. Could be better tho
rigid snow
All it took was 40 minutes lol
i needed to access this one hashmap that has the values as a private class, i said fuck it and my solution is to inject into every method that adds or removes to the hashmap and mirror it in a set
a hashset as a representation of the hashmap makes sense for my usecase, i basically only need the keys (a field of the values actually but i'll say keys for simplicity’s sake) i'd rather do this than deal with that again
simple sky
for the first time, I have a comp sci practice exam I can read and not feel cooked
I think I found my calling for programming. Developing Programming languages. This class is tedious, but it's not monsterously difficult
opaque wharf
I think I found my calling for programming. Developing Programming languages. Th...
You'll get along with chay
simple sky
I like functional programming 
sick owl
So what are we thinking is gonna win the slop wars this time chat
Opus 4.6 or GPT 5.3 Codex
young plover
we all lose
rigid snow
opus has been on top for a while, surely 4.6 is substantially better than 4.5
nocturne olive
So what are we thinking is gonna win the slop wars this time chat
Bankruptcy
quick condor
Tried both, they felt the same as 5.2 and 4.5
rigid snow
opus has been on top for a while, surely 4.6 is substantially better than 4.5
and i have never had any good experience with codex models, they just feel like lobotomized versions of the main ones
nocturne olive
Tried both, they felt the same as 5.2 and 4.5
They're all just overfitting to benchmarks anyway
rigid snow
nocturne olive
Hem
Funny ban evader, part 2?
rigid snow
Hem
Funny ban evader, part 2?
this is like part 67 bru
nocturne olive
Wuh
rigid snow
it's not the second nor the third time i can recall
nocturne olive
Rare Crimon in #programming
quick condor
I feel like there is context that I'm missing
opaque wharf
idc about your 100 excuses
You know, at some point surely there'll be a way to automate it
opaque wharf
I feel like there is context that I'm missing
For what? There's a person that is perma banned here but made multiple account
That's all there is to it
opaque sigil
Is it who I think it is
tired delta
You know, at some point surely there'll be a way to automate it
discord automates it, dude is doing smth against tos to evade it
quick condor
I actually wonder how good mistral's moderation ai is
opaque wharf
discord automates it, dude is doing smth against tos to evade it
Holy hell
rigid snow
and i have never had any good experience with codex models, they just feel like ...
also, i have to ask, is there really a reason to use opus when kimi k2.5 exists which is like a bit worse and like a toooon cheaper
tired delta
cant even be said, its that against the rules to even be mentioned
simple sky
darn
quick condor
Wow that's impressive
tired delta
well one could say sharing inappropriate links
simple sky
ah.
My favorite hobby. Suspicious links and SQL injections
opaque sigil
also, i have to ask, is there really a reason to use opus when kimi k2.5 exists ...
4.6 eats so many tokens it's crazy man, pro yapper
simple sky
I'm wating for a decent LLM that can run on a consumer gpu.
opaque sigil
Yeah but it's still a lot more than 4.5 by default
simple sky
I don't think it'll happen though
rigid snow
gpt oss 
tired delta
I wish there could be an AI discord moderator tbh
simple sky
You could run the entirety of Deepseek on ~12 rtx 6000s
tired delta
would make things lighter
rigid snow
I wish there could be an AI discord moderator tbh
hook up clawdbot to discord 
tired delta
itd be difficult to make ig, itd have to read context and such
simple sky
I don't trust any AI to make decisions on its own
rigid snow
it'll encounter an edge case and spend 20 minutes afk doing philosophy in its reasoning traces
simple sky
maybe, scanning messages for slurs, though that's not hard to implement
quick condor
Devstral 2 Small is only a little behind 4.5 and 5.2
simple sky
it'll encounter an edge case and spend 20 minutes afk doing philosophy in its re...
so like a normal moderator or admin?
nocturne olive
maybe, scanning messages for slurs, though that's not hard to implement
We have a tool for that
It's called automod
quick condor
opaque wharf
maybe, scanning messages for slurs, though that's not hard to implement
That's the easy one
This is for the edge cases one
Like the ban evader
rigid snow
so like a normal moderator or admin?
yep except a normal mod gets paid nothing ever and claude will get paid $50 for that alone
tired delta
yeah of course I wouldn’t let it do everything and leave it alone unattended itd need some control panel to check things
I dont trust ai to be infallible yet
opaque wharf
yeah of course I wouldn’t let it do everything and leave it alone unattended itd...
Who would host the model tho?
nocturne olive
LLMs are best used as tools to accelerate your doing, rather than for doing everything on its own
simple sky
How do you catch ban evaders anyways? I know when I moderated a Gmod server I could see incoming IP addresses. is it like that?
opaque wharf
The infrastructure would be costly
mossy fossil
IP Bans don't work
tired delta
How do you catch ban evaders anyways? I know when I moderated a Gmod server I co...
that's what discord does
rigid snow
How do you catch ban evaders anyways? I know when I moderated a Gmod server I co...
well, this one... had the same name and pfp on all of the accounts
simple sky
IP Bans don't work
Yeah, I learned that the hard way
opaque wharf
How do you catch ban evaders anyways? I know when I moderated a Gmod server I co...
Behaviour
opaque wharf
well, this one... had the same name and pfp on all of the accounts
Dang
simple sky
also, what if the person connects from a public network like University WiFi? Would you then treat every user connected to that WiFi guilty
mossy fossil
you ban alot of people in the crossfire, and any bad actor is just... one VPN use away to do it again anyway
(or TOR)
olive sable
im back from my 2 day break
it was originally gonna be one day for lotr, but we also completed res evil 7
opaque sigil
opaque sigil
i wonder
ebon basin
Yeah, I learned that the hard way
Well it depends but some ISP give new IPs everytime you reconnect and there are open wlans
opaque sigil
is there a stable url for the latest tag in a github repo
opaque wharf
is there a stable url for the latest tag in a github repo
What do you mean by latest tag?
The most recent commit on every branch?
Or branch with the most commit?
opaque sigil
i guess what i'd like is to get the newest commit that has a git tag attached to it
actually nvm there's no point in this specific case anyway cause hashes change
sick owl
I wish there could be an AI discord moderator tbh
I have one I made on the server for my uni soc, but it just monitors for possible problems then pings them to mods with possible actions to be taken
It can operate with a limited degree of autonomy in that it can temporarily disappear things that meet a certain suspicion theshold until mods decide on a course of action but most stuff doesn't meet that threshold by design
tired delta
I have one I made on the server for my uni soc, but it just monitors for possibl...
interesting, does it monitor like
reading the context?
or just by line
sick owl
reading the context?
Yup, its actually quite simple to do with a Discord bot
Handles images since the model is multimodal too, and has zero data retention and extremely low inference costs since its Mistral based
tired delta
what are its limitations? like can it monitor every channel in this server when it has max activity?
like during the hype train record
sick owl
what are its limitations? like can it monitor every channel in this server when ...
That would probably get it rate limited
If we're talking hype train record
Lemme have a look at my current rate limits as a non enterprise dev on Mistrals API
I never hit em since its only a server of 100 or so people
tired delta
yea figured, like that translation bot in the jp section had its limits as well that were never hit
idk if they got removed when it got changed to gemini 3
only the ones who work on the bot know
sick owl
Yeah you'd need an enterprise agreement to raise the concurrency cap on whatever API you used
tired delta
enterprise agreement? how much $$$ are we talking about?
true hemlock
not discord mods getting replaced too 😭
sick owl
<:HmmBusiness:1038899174424461444> enterprise agreement? how much $$$ are we tal...
You just gotta contact them as an org and request a rate limit raise
Of course not all APIs are subject to rate limits like that, but then you run into the issue of high costs
rough bloom
surely you can also just use Groq or something
sick owl
Especially in times of high activity
rough bloom
I wonder what the difference in quality would be like with smaller models
true hemlock
also doesn't have to be api
rough bloom
DiscordModBench when
true hemlock
could probably set up a simple multimodal model inference
sick owl
also doesn't have to be api
You could host an instance if you have the hardware in fairness yeah
Tbh 24-30B models are plenty smart enough here
rough bloom
also doesn't have to be api
it kinda does unless you want to buy a physical machine
resting GPU hardware is probably more expensive than API
true hemlock
it just depends on how effective you could make it "skim" through messages
true hemlock
it kinda does unless you want to buy a physical machine
resting GPU hardware is ...
well yeah considering that llm designated services are ran with batch inference
rough bloom
ye, you could batch it
but then it will probably have a pretty significant drop in quality + other weird behavior
tired delta
You just gotta contact them as an org and request a rate limit raise
I see, gonna check with others then thanks
i mean the bot devs
true hemlock
though i'd say it won't be reliable to use llm for these tasks so treat it as a way to alert mods instead of actual moderation actions
rough bloom
ye, you *could* batch it
but then it will probably have a pretty significant dro...
(as in, classify multiple messages using one LLM request)
sick owl
though i'd say it won't be reliable to use llm for these tasks so treat it as a ...
Yeah the one I made just flags suspicious stuff and pings mods asking what action to take if any
true hemlock
(as in, classify multiple messages using one LLM request)
vani made a tldr bot that also link messages on the messages it made tldr of
sick owl
Yeah the one I made just flags suspicious stuff and pings mods asking what actio...
And vanishes only the most extreme stuff that passes a certain confidence threshold where there's minimal doubt
true hemlock
so given that the llm can manage context well, could probably work with linking messages
quick condor
Mistral is great at specific tasks
sick owl
so given that the llm can manage context well, could probably work with linking ...
That's easy yeah, mine works on a rolling window of messages so it can make context dependent judgements
rough bloom
vani made a tldr bot that also link messages on the messages it made tldr of
yeah, I know
but very different task than classification, especially for moderation 
I feel like an LLM would start doing weird shit like comparing messages to each other too much if you chunk them like that
works well for tldr since it's naturally a single request
true hemlock
also, it would work well if the llm is given chance to reason which messages are problematic
if you just prompt to directly point out "problematic" messages it'll hallucinate
but then that gets expensive quick
and slow
rough bloom
yeah, reasoning is absolutely not happening if you want to run it for every message
true hemlock
best idea is probably huge batch of messages, give it chance to reason which one to explain and make it format a list of message links that seem problematic every once in a while
but more than often, again, as shuni said it'll probably mix things up
pretty messy
rough bloom
I wonder if you can make it a two-step thing?
First run a really stupid non-LLM, maybe even non-ML filter that removes simple messages that are clearly not an issue
Then for messages that have even a tiny chance of being problematic, run the LLM
Could even queue messages to run through the LLM to fix the first filter if they disagree
true hemlock
context
messages context happen between multiple chats
would be really hard to manage that
azure lynx
ignore it. just take the message at face value.
true hemlock
best you get is probably an llm that detects nono words
opaque sigil
did i miss something, why is there roblox
true hemlock
for mods to check in accordingly to the chat context
rough bloom
best you get is probably an llm that detects nono words
the whole issue is that LLMs are slow and expensive though?
would be nice to avoid unnecessarily running that
true hemlock
<a:neuroLoading:1178181580016070856> the whole issue is that LLMs are slow and e...
i mean that's about your idea
azure lynx
someone's going to beat all moderation by having a chat script which adds "in minecraft" to the end of everything they say.
true hemlock
with algorithmic filtering
and let llm handle the slightest susge
emuz your job is being taken by ai
true hemlock
rough bloom
and let llm handle the slightest susge
yeah
like surely you don't have to run an LLM for 90% of the messages being spammed during a hype train
true hemlock
yeah
like surely you don't have to run an LLM for 90% of the messages being spam...
you always have some randoms sneaking in some nono during that
azure lynx
if it's identical to the message before it, it's probably spam
manic birch
The idea has merit.. and there is a lot that needs parsed... I think additional data is a good thing. The LLM could be a final stage. A lot of actions are parsing for patterns..
rough bloom
you always have some randoms sneaking in some nono during that
yeah, but you'd bias it to have more false-positives instead of false-negatives, and a few messages slipping through would be fine
true hemlock
azure lynx
just make sure you filter on whole words if you do a wordlist
opaque wharf
I am still pondering the cost of all of this 
true hemlock
vue isn't it like 1 am there rn
opaque wharf
Even one channel here is quite active 24/7
manic birch
How large of a model do you think would be needed for this?
true hemlock
How large of a model do you think would be needed for this?
just use a small one they're fine for classification
opaque wharf
So eh
manic birch
just use a small one they're fine for classification
Than running it shouldn't be too bad resource wise.
opaque wharf
<:5neuros:1131216236953489468>
true hemlock
I drink way too many coffee
coffee always made me sleepy
rough bloom
if you just want to classify single messages then ye it should be fine to have a small model
will just be expensive regardless because of how many tokens you'd be using
opaque wharf
coffee always made me sleepy
It depends on my mood. Sometimes it does make me sleepy. In fact, that's what I was hoping for when I drink that many lol
rough bloom
-# how many tokens does Neurocord write each day
-# (yes I know it depends on the tokenizer)
azure lynx
probably a good idea to first just write a log bot to see how many
olive sable
killed by high quality 3d modeling an animations 
wouldn't have it any other way
opaque sigil
-# how many tokens does Neurocord write each day
-# (yes I know it depends on th...
too many
chat, i need your help with the hardest problem in computer science
rough bloom
caching? 
opaque sigil
cuCuckoo or cuCUCKOO
opaque wharf
killed by high quality 3d modeling an animations <:NeuroDead:1242814447731605574...
Doesn't the model usually come from the games data files anyway?
opaque wharf
`cuCuckoo` or `cuCUCKOO`
First one
rough bloom
it's the other hardest problem
opaque wharf
If you go by the latter, you cannot have acronym
rough bloom
but yes, cuCuckoo
the other one is crazy
opaque sigil
blame nvidia for their weird convention
olive sable
Doesn't the model usually come from the games data files anyway?
most of the popular anime games just put their models on their websites
opaque sigil
the other option was cuCkoo but i veto'd that
opaque wharf
most of the popular anime games just put their models on their websites
Lmao, but it's better that way I guess. Just embrace the meme that will flood
true hemlock
opaque wharf
so its hard to read for me
Well, time to learn a new language then
rough bloom
Chinese famously easy to learn 
opaque sigil
how hard could it be 
azure lynx
i already get confused between german and russian. ;[
everyone should speak english. slowly and loudly while facing me.
true hemlock
i already get confused between german and russian. ;[
how
olive sable
it happens quicker than you'd think
azure lynx
"ja" and "da" come out at the wrong times
opaque sigil
there's an easy solution to this, don't say "ja"
true hemlock
blyat
sick owl
yeah, I know
but very different task than classification, especially for moderat...
I haven't had much issue chunking them, but I format it as a single turn chat message in a chatlog format and have a custom system prompt + instructional prompt prepended to the log for each prompt
So it's very heavily steered
I also run it at a very low temperature, 0.15 to be precise
true hemlock
ya utka
rough bloom
I haven't had much issue chunking them, but I format it as a single turn chat me...
having a custom system prompt + instructions would be a necessity for this anyway, yeah
nice to know that a model can technically do that then 
opaque wharf
i dont want to learn a 5th language
What's one more? You already know english, python, c, and belgium
olive sable
belgium, the language 
opaque wharf
Learning Chinese is like learning APL
azure lynx
they all use the same fonts. makes it easier
opaque wharf
belgium, the language <a:Minamhm:1352095035239301160>
To be fair, I don't know my geography
olive sable
Lmao, but it's better that way I guess. Just embrace the meme that will flood
zzz has these for example https://www.bilibili.com/blackboard/era/iI31wCpCkCkKle3I.html
i have no clue what the text on this website says at all 
opaque sigil
I sure would hope your font can cover more than latin
opaque wharf
I sure would hope your font can cover more than latin
I have cjk installed
azure lynx
some of the page says "install the billibilli app" or similar.
opaque sigil
idk why i explicitly installed noto-cjk
olive sable
To be fair, I don't know my geography <:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
belgium is the name of the country, not the language.
they speak mainly dutch and french here
opaque sigil
must've broken something
opaque wharf
zzz has these for example <https://www.bilibili.com/blackboard/era/iI31wCpCkCkKl...
Same, I don't speak chinese either 
opaque wharf
<a:meow:1143284027797819443> belgium is the name of the country, not the languag...
So there is no such thing as belgium language?
azure lynx
is it like canadian french?
opaque wharf
Alright, fuse both dialect then
olive sable
is it like canadian french?
kinda
azure lynx
like ignoring the french french rules
azure lynx
i remember french was all "no, we need a french word for that" for tech stuff. do you just steal the english words instead?
olive sable
idk im fromt he dutch part
i think so ye tho
biggest difference for everyday stuff is having words for 70 and 90
azure lynx
i only learned to count to 39 before i decided french sucked.
opaque sigil
french numbers make me irrationally angry every time i remember them
how drunk were these people 
azure lynx
i think they just never used big numbers until one time an extra person arrived and they were like... "um..... just keep counting... maybe they won't notice."
olive sable
some enlightened french revolutionist:
opaque sigil
cool so wrapping mold just broke it
olive sable
belgian french jsut has "nonante" for 90
instead of "quatre-vingt-dix"
anyways, enough about languages
azure lynx
french numbers must be a pain for speech recognition too... with english, you just need to listen for the digit and then for the place... none of the math
opaque wharf
anyways, enough about languages
Wdym? This is #programming
olive sable
french numbers must be a pain for speech recognition too... with english, you ju...
the math makes it more fun tho
idle dune
I wonder how CachyOS would fair on my MacBook
rigid snow
https://vercel.com/blog/introducing-geist-pixel sick
also can't help but notice they fucked up the og image triangle is actually circle 💔
opaque wharf
also can't help but notice they fucked up the og image triangle is actually circ...
What do you MEAN?! ( 🐢 )
ebon basin
Okay after 2.5h of dev I gave up on neuros ONi mod improvment I will try this late
Now Minecraft AI Agent stuff
opaque wharf
time to harass it to blow its cover
Like every AI ever
rigid snow
that could either mean everything or nothing
like every ai from the last year or two thinks it's claude since so many distill it
on top of that i reeeeeally doubt anthropic would do a stealth model
opaque sigil
https://vercel.com/blog/introducing-geist-pixel sick
This is actually really nice huh
Surely this is sonnet 5 right
rigid snow
that's more like it
opaque sigil
glm 5
rigid snow
rigid snow
but yeah i got it to say it's glm twice now
probably safe to say it is then
yeah all other evidence points to it being glm
amber fractal
:classic: distill, no one can actually afford to train large models so just use one that exists already.
ebon basin
Destroying a tree like a player wood is really a pain
true hemlock
<:neurowheeze:1126151823925977220>
dawg i didn't know these could have identity crisis
hollow matrix
I finally thought I found a good subtitle editor, KDE Subtitle Composer, but it turns out that the Windows build for it has been broken since November of 2023 because no one can be bothered to fix it 🫠
silent cloak
least slop modern model
tender river
I finally thought I found a good subtitle editor, KDE Subtitle Composer, but it ...
is aegisub bad?
hollow matrix
is aegisub bad?
My goal is a subtitle editor that doesn't have a ancient ui
Also the website for aegisub is fucked rn
tender river
hollow matrix
Also the website for aegisub is fucked rn
tender river
i want to make better russian utena fansubs some day
true hemlock
least slop modern model
is it also moe
sage crag
rough bloom
tender river
ebon basin
tender river
nuero caret
azure lynx
playing "mario cart"
faint sandal
hollow matrix
clear radish
guys what silly app do i make next (please not something so profesional, i make them in Mobile so i are a little límites)
hollow matrix
guys what silly app do i make next (please not something so profesional, i make ...
A chromium-based browser with vertical tabs
clear radish
😭
real sierra
man
these scam messages are getting too advanced
just saw a novel iteration of one and i can't even begin to figure out how we're gonna automod this
unkempt citrus
Whats so different about it
clear radish
just saw a novel iteration of one and i can't even begin to figure out how we're...
You can add a filter that inmediatly when people without embed perms post a link it checks though a list of safe websites and if it is not there it deleted the message and also times out the user, or if they do it x amount of times it bans/kicks them
real sierra
you dont understand
hollow matrix
just saw a novel iteration of one and i can't even begin to figure out how we're...
Was it that discord invite link that was posted in genchat not long after I gave you a birthday ping
real sierra
Was it that discord invite link that was posted in genchat not long after I gave...
yeah
clear radish
your brain would melt
oh no wdym by that-
real sierra
here you know what
hollow matrix
your brain would melt
They used like the euro as an E I think
real sierra
They used like the euro as an E I think
oh its much worse than that
hollow matrix
oh its much worse than that
real sierra
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**0PEN-A-TlCK£T HERE**:point_down:
> ><ht
> tp
>
> ://di
> sco
> rdapp。
> com\invite\linkToScamServerHere>>
clear radish
oh now i see
hollow matrix
```
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>...
Oh my god how the fuck do you automod something like that
real sierra
how this renders as a clickable link, i could not even begin to fathom
real sierra
Oh my god how the fuck do you automod something like that
the longer you look the worse it gets
the japanese period in the link
the backslashes instead of forward slashes
real sierra
hollow matrix
Ok, well for starters, if you don't allow discord links at all you could maybe automod rdapp?
stray dragon
personally i'd just put TlCK£T in the filter and see if they try anything different
hollow matrix
Ok, well for starters, if you don't allow discord links at all you could maybe a...
I wouldn't see another reason to have that
stray dragon
because honestly i doubt they've prepared a randomizer or alternative phrases
real sierra
personally i'd just put `TlCK£T` in the filter and see if they try anything diff...
they probably will just change the message
glad path
oh my god
hollow matrix
they probably will just change the message
yeah I assume
real sierra
id rather have something that blocked this shitty way of splitting links
glad path
it is so cursed
real sierra
just sic the trial mods on them
that requires me to see these messages when they're posted
i dont wanna stare at chat 24/7
hollow matrix
discord <:UltraMad:1260397620640088226>
If it's on seperate lines it should never be able to create links as a rule I feel like
glad path
i dont wanna stare at chat 24/7
yes, make the trial mods do it instead
hollow matrix
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>...
I just noticed the "O" is actually a 0 too, they just did everything to prevent detection
stray dragon
oh my god that's horrid it actually takes all that and turns it into a clickable link
clear radish
the scammers are getting much more advanced
real sierra
oh my god that's horrid it actually takes all that and turns it into a clickable...
yes
that's why it's so bad
stray dragon
what's the fucking limit
oh there isn't one.
you can split up the message over as many lines as you want
it doesn't change a thing
that's... so awful
real sierra
im
stray dragon
the regex you'll need for this is gonna be so long
hollow matrix
oh my god that's horrid it actually takes all that and turns it into a clickable...
How tho, even when typing it it looks like it should be separate lines, why does it get compressed to one
stray dragon
How tho, even when typing it it looks like it should be separate lines, why does...
i don't know
real sierra
👍 "feature"
stray dragon
and the issues with the link also get corrected
hollow matrix
yeah
glad path
oh my god that's horrid it actually takes all that and turns it into a clickable...
what
stray dragon
it's intentially added
stray dragon
what
discord takes this:
*Submit your questions / Issues below*
**0PEN-A-TlCK£T HERE**👇
> ><ht
> tp
>
> ://di
> sco
> rdapp。
> com\invite\linkToScamServerHere>>
and turns it into this:
glad path
wtf-
hollow matrix
Discord has some sort of link autocorrect feature, and it really should not be autocorrecting links under any circumstances
real sierra
moderating this server requires a compsci degree
real sierra
"just a bit"
stray dragon
a lot of regex
real sierra
glad path
it's just a bit of regex, shiro
no no no dont say that word
hollow matrix
it's just a bit of regex, shiro
"a bit"
stray dragon
why not
stray dragon
regex is good
glad path
convenient and easy way to parse strings i think
"easy"
prism out
too much regex talk
glad path
idk
it confuses me
why is my laptop fucking boiling
i can boil eggs on this thing
im barely running anything 😭
opaque wharf
regex any emoji
glad path
ok tbf it is a macbook air
hollow matrix
It's not just discord, there seems to be something else happening with the message
real sierra
(h[>\s]+ttps?)|(ht[>\s]+tps?)|(htt[>\s]+ps?)|(http[>\s]+s?)
do you figure that'd work
no probably needs more wildcards
opaque wharf
do you figure that'd work
Not a chance lol
glad path
i want my mbp back
opaque wharf
Regex emoji
real sierra
(h[>\s]+t[>\s]*t[>\s]*p[>\s]*s?)|(h[>\s]*t[>\s]+t[>\s]*p[>\s]*s?)|(h[>\s]*t[>\s]*t[>\s]+p[>\s]*s?)|(h[>\s]*t[>\s]*t[>\s]*p[>\s]+s?)
there we go
that might work
stray dragon
`(h[>\s]+t[>\s]*t[>\s]*p[>\s]*s?)|(h[>\s]*t[>\s]+t[>\s]*p[>\s]*s?)|(h[>\s]*t[>\s...
you still have a few + in there
instead of *
real sierra
you still have a few + in there
intended
stray dragon
but yeah looks better
real sierra
it's not desired to block https everywhere
hollow matrix
it might just be discord though
The fact that it's combining them doesn't seem normal
real sierra
only where it's split between many lines
stray dragon
ahhh
real sierra
using weird quote stuff
stray dragon
ok that's clever
glad path
waiit
stray dragon
but what if they don't split it.
real sierra
well if they type their links like normal people it gets caught by the normal invite link regex
if they split another part of the link
stray dragon
much easier to mod
no i don't mean that
real sierra
...uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
stray dragon
i mean the https stays unsplit
stray dragon
the rest of the link is split
opaque wharf
I think posting the regex rule here defeats the purpose a bit
real sierra
glad path
I think posting the regex rule here defeats the purpose a bit
they're not going to check
real sierra
it's beautiful
glad path
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real sierra
spontaneous I4 appears
stray dragon
watch them pull out another even wackier bypass once this one gets patched
would be hilarious
glad path
the limit instead of an i om
hollow matrix
`(h[>\s]+t[>\s]*t[>\s]*p[>\s]*s?)|(h[>\s]*t[>\s]+t[>\s]*p[>\s]*s?)|(h[>\s]*t[>\s...
Just so you know, the sent link was http not https
glad path
thats true
stray dragon
Just so you know, the sent link was http not https
shiro accounts for that
s is optional
hollow matrix
stray dragon
that's why it appears in the regex as s?
real sierra
yeah true
stray dragon
the s would be helpful if you need to do that
real sierra
hopefully a better regex comes along that lets me replace whatever the hell this is
hollow matrix
just in case
Always better to account for more scenerios 
stray dragon
i honestly don't see what you could do to compact it more lol
real sierra
the length of this regex is O(n^2) with the number of fixed characters
which isnt great
glad path
if i send it right now will i get automodded
stray dragon
is there any way to remove or edit parts of the message before you run regex?
actually it's discord who am i kidding
it's probably just a text box that you put regex into
and that's the whole automod
real sierra
it's probably just a text box that you put regex into
i shit you not
we have a limit of 10 regexes
hollow matrix
we have a limit of 10 regexes
real sierra
soon these scammers are gonna start splitting the characters themseles in half
glad path
soon these scammers are gonna start splitting the characters themseles in half
are they going to develop a new form of atomic bomb
real sierra
fucking discord will probably add a feature that lets people dump arbitrary sequences of bytes in the textbox and specify the encoding later
glad path
fucking discord will probably add a feature that lets people dump arbitrary sequ...
file uploads
stray dragon
fucking discord will probably add a feature that lets people dump arbitrary sequ...
will add?
it's probably already there smh
real sierra
file uploads
wait, actually true...
glad path
the regex works 👍
unkempt citrus
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>...
Its not something you can do immediately, but wouldn't like a sentiment analysis pick it up?
glad path
<a:Aware:889021591776817172> wait, actually true...
but anyhow, embed perms fix that
stray dragon
let me check it
real sierra
does discord automod even apply to text file uploads?
glad path
does discord automod even apply to text file uploads?
only one way to find out
real sierra
unkempt citrus
I don't actually know
real sierra
skibidi
stray dragon
ok i think it does work actually
unkempt citrus
so it is
glad path
stray dragon
shiro cooked
hollow matrix
just do skibidi
Why is that banned but not porn
real sierra
you gotta be shitting me discord
stray dragon
unkempt citrus
hollow matrix
unkempt citrus
nope don't work
stray dragon
LOL
hollow matrix
Amazing 
stray dragon
wait do links work in the preview for these
opaque wharf
thanks discord
Too early to say that
real sierra
well thank you for helping test
glad path
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stray dragon
damn it i just pulled a rickroll alternative link to test it
glad path
arbitrary bytes part two
unkempt citrus
Squares 👀
stray dragon
erm actually those are rectangles
opaque wharf
Wtf, I have emoji and cjk and even I still get tofu
real sierra
anyway
opaque wharf
Is that ancient sumerian bytes or something
glad path
wait what does it look like for you hold on
real sierra
stop filter evading now
glad path
stop filter evading now
its just a macro recording for my app
real sierra
if i catch any of you filter evading with files ill just ban you 
glad path
if i catch any of you filter evading with files ill just ban you <:Stare:1458858...
ive already been banned once please no
oh wait
okay
unkempt citrus
I wouldn't fileter evade with a text file
glad path
So I assume you could literally just post a scam link like this
so you would just
real sierra
So I assume you could literally just post a scam link like this
embed perms does gate file uploads so we're mostly safe there
glad path
ELOM MUSKTE CRYTPO SCAM
👇
stray dragon
@real sierra I FOUND A LIMIT
glad path
there
real sierra
the :// must be intact i think
is that so
stray dragon
<:sus:1233419406558892124> is that so
yes, it isn't working if i split it up at all
real sierra
i could work with that potentially
stray dragon
with :// on its own line it works fine
could potentially just check for a line starting with > and containing a ://
real sierra
well no
amber fractal
Backreading chat 
stray dragon
maybe something like uhhh
> [a-zA-Z><]:\/\/
real sierra
`> [a-zA-Z><]:\/\/`
well but this isnt what we want to block
glad path
<https
://g
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com\teapot
stray dragon
honestly i think this is a "nuke all links in the quote markdown" situation
stiff mica
stray dragon
discord has fucked the feature
glad path
oh god why
why not
hollow matrix
we need only make the regex larger
MORE REGEX
glad path
oh noes
real sierra
glad path
hollow matrix
welp
amber fractal
we are so cooked
real sierra
no https either
glad path
don't worry
real sierra
stray dragon
that's... horrid
hollow matrix
Aintnoway the vanity links don't need it
hollow matrix
Yeah, @real sierra I assume you don't get automodded so you wouldn't know
glad path
lemme find a vanity like we can trust
opaque wharf
hollow matrix
nor do regular ones
opaque wharf
Lies
glad path
opaque wharf
Deception
stray dragon
i'd say maybe this is something to report to discord but they'd never do anything about it
stray dragon
one moment
hollow matrix
<a
b
glad path
stfu markdownlint
hollow matrix
stfu markdownlint
real sierra
hi
glad path
just automod anything that doesnt conform to markdownlint conventions
stray dragon
i do think that removing the clickable link fixes the issue
stray dragon
and it seems that it doesn't like multiline links without the <>
hollow matrix
<line1
line2
real sierra
well
stray dragon
ok that's just
real sierra
if it must have the ://
glad path
stray dragon
making it non-clickable will work alright i think
real sierra
> ><
> https://di
> sco
> rdapp。
> com\invite\linkToScamServerHere>
wait what
hollow matrix
<line1
line2
stray dragon
edited message
real sierra
gonna contact some other people and see if we can devise... something... for this
glad path
atleast it doesnt embed
stray dragon
oh my god it works
glad path
yeah
at least it doesnt
shiro do you think it would be possible to use a bot for this
instead of automod
stray dragon
yeah was thinking about that
real sierra
thats a bigger conversation
hollow matrix
it can't embed
That's probably why it's autocorrecting actually