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silent cloak
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I have a billion dollars

fast pagoda
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can i have some money

silent cloak
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No I eated

fast pagoda
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damn

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zoidberg

azure lynx
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and that goes back to my "we can't know if there is a better way of thinking".
perhaps transformers really are the peak of intelligence. (probably not)
but perhaps there is a parallel multi-modal transformer model with multiple outputs that would be better than human intelligence.

silent cloak
worldly plank
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When does a "biological AI" go from technology to animal/human?

silent cloak
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We can't even slightly conceive the thought process of something that can evolve itself in pico seconds

azure lynx
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maybe the brain isn't even optimal and the reason it's so complicated is because it was hacked together from the parts that were lying around instead of being designed for speed and optimal behavior.

rain flame
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Well imma go to bed rn guys

silent cloak
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Its nothing short of a miracle that we exist

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especially against entropy

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We are far from perfect in design

amber fractal
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As long as it is given no state or connection to any particular domain, then if it can manage to come up with it's own internal thoughts to come up with the question then sure. Just make sure it can natively expand domains and see what it does to prove it doesn't rely on what it first learned.

rain flame
young plover
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Kinda bored of the sentience debate
If there's no societal consensus and I don't feel bad about turning the AI off, then why worry about it.

silent cloak
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People have been asking me about them as early as 2015

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Lmao

rain flame
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Gn

rigid snow
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jetbrains really missed out here, why can't the agent read external library sources? i was starting to think vibecoding mc mods was at least somewhat viable, not to mention like, any other usecase where the model isn't familiar with a library it's using. and it's an actual thing that works, people spin up subagents that the main one can query for any info about a library and it'll git clone it and look around and answer, imagine this worked with the decompiler and source mapping intellij provides
also acp is a pretty cool thing

azure lynx
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I think as long as you don't go out of your way to torture your models, the future AIs which are "actually there" when they talk to you will probably forgive you.

rigid snow
fast pagoda
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u jest but

silent cloak
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Current stuff won't reach that level

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But there are some experimental algorithms designed to closer emulate real neurons

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Just nothing set in stone yet

azure lynx
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"experimental" sounds like "doesn't work well enough in practice to be commericialized" unless it's only been a few months.

silent cloak
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Experimental just means that different algorithms are being made everyday

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Tons of research is going into it just as it did for the current ANN systems

amber fractal
fast pagoda
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neuromorphic systems are finally getting to full brain neuron count soonish ™

silent cloak
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The current stuff wasnt meant to last but yknow how companies are

young plover
# rain flame Yes sorry for bringing it up

Didn't mean to end the conversation if you were into it. I just don't know what changes if we actually define and test sentience. Neuro clearly does not have human cognition, but "killing" Neuro would probably make more people upset than the average homicide.

silent cloak
fast pagoda
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i think the answer will be that consciousness and awareness are really the same thing and it's just orders of magnitude of scaling of the processing of the current state + being able to juggle that with everything else and maintain coherency

so it's just a scale of consciousness

to me llms within their individual context windows when combined with the model have a small amount of that woo woo but very limited and ephemeral/fragile

fast pagoda
azure lynx
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as long as I eat healthy and exercise and sleep in a liquid nitrogrn cooled chamber and don't argue too much on the internet, I might live long enough to get uploaded into the cloud so i can argue with people on the internet forever!

amber fractal
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I do however think it is stupid to think we are unable to think of anything better than human neurons. We just don't know yet what the requirements are.

silent cloak
fast pagoda
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it's the only thing that has ever worked

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as far as we know

amber fractal
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We aren't

silent cloak
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Current model "neurons" arent even remotely close to actual neurons

fast pagoda
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there's one(1) example of par-human intelligence and it's humans so there's really nothing else to model it on with any sort of promise at the end if we get it right

silent cloak
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And for some of the newer SNN experiments people have a ton of different neurons they are experimenting with

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Leaky probably being the most well known

amber fractal
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I'm well aware of such, I'm just calling it stupid to write off the possibility

silent cloak
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I mean we could get something as good or better who knows

azure lynx
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people, while intelligent, are also pretty stupid.

fast pagoda
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one more giant datacenter

silent cloak
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I look at the research papers when they update

silent cloak
fast pagoda
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just 70 trillion more dollars

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i swear

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trust me bro

silent cloak
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Thats only needed for the current slop AI

fast pagoda
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just let me scale it

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i just need 700 TW

silent cloak
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Even the current experimental models run on small chips with far less power

fast pagoda
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i just need a few reactors and multiple country's resources

silent cloak
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They arent gpu based either

fast pagoda
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cmon bro plz

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trust me bro

silent cloak
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(No floating point)

fast pagoda
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more funding

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just a few billiion more

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2 more weeks

fast pagoda
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it's remarkable to me still just how capable models are considering the certainty that they arent actually thinking or anything

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even with their limitations

azure lynx
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makes you wonder what "thinking" is. or should.

silent cloak
amber fractal
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I've been working on an alternative arch for months, not checking the other papers sure but also not reusing anything from what I do know. I can only imagine what ANNs are doing.

silent cloak
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It requires that much data to predict

fast pagoda
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yeah i mean it's just brute force but brute force is crazy

silent cloak
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This is how current models work

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Its pretty much just this but math

amber fractal
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yep, that is transformers

fast pagoda
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find da slope

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go down da slope

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find da bottom

azure lynx
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multiply and add, lots of times. all slopes are implicit when running inference.

amber fractal
fast pagoda
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metal slides are ac tually cursed objects

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cruel people make them

silent cloak
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Thankfully never had one near me

fast pagoda
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i annihilated my knee on one in like 2nd grade

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and fell off the slide and while falling grabbed the nearest thing which was my friend (who was behind me on the steps up)'s pants

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so i pantsed the fuck out of him on the way down

stone badge
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is it impossible to derive an algorithm for sum of a sequence in O(log n) time complexity

azure lynx
fast pagoda
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without knowing it you have to read them all

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if there's nostructure

amber fractal
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It is impossible on the surface for all n elements, however you can sum in parts at least and combine those

fast pagoda
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run in parallel to reduce

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ye

azure lynx
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then it is impossible.

azure lynx
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coz n > log(n)

stone badge
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thought so, ty everyone for answering

fast pagoda
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using the power of precognition i guess the fuck out of an extrapolation of what i've seen in the sequence and hope for the best

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fuzzee logic

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llm method

amber fractal
azure lynx
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maybe with a tree...

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but the tree would need a recalculation phase (like a rebalance phase)

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fast pagoda
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parallelize on a tree yes

azure lynx
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if you can ignore the cost of storage, then you could get the sum for free. but you need to store it.

fast pagoda
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precompute

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then it's O(1)

amber fractal
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Or even gpu as well

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fast pagoda
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if youi have time to store it

azure lynx
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how much time vs money you have

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basically

amber fractal
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If you need to compute it more than once, then keep it around. Or just tally as items are added and removed

azure lynx
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you usually have a time budget per request for anything where you have to care

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so you choose an algorithm which tends to work for your system with your time budget

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e.g. whether you use the 8B model for an LLM or the 4B model will depend on time vs space trade offs

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the 4B model will probably run faster but give worse output

stone badge
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oh so its more like custom tailored for the "machine"

azure lynx
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you'll tweak the parameters for what you're using to try fit your situation

amber fractal
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Every approach has tradeoffs, you got to figure out what your prioritizing and make sure it works well with what your doing

azure lynx
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even though it's one of the worst sorts, sometimes bubble sort is the right answer because it's only ever going to work with a small number of things and you can code it in literally 10 minutes and verify it is correct.

amber fractal
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If a sum is updating constantly, then it is better to keep a running total. But if your grabbing it all at once from a file, then your better off making that sequence run as fast as you can by splitting the work around.

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and of course if size is a non issue, then just pick what saves you the most headache

azure lynx
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if you need something like sums of a multiple different contiguous subsets of a list from a file, you can probably do an O(log n) sum per range. but it will have at least an O(n) setup phase.

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amber fractal
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Have fun with recursion, on the net it is one of the most spicy topics there is

azure lynx
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if something can be done in O(log n) time, they are probably throwing away most of the input at each level of recursion. that implies (but does not always mean) there is a tree structure somewhere.

stone badge
azure lynx
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until you get it, keep trying to understand recursion.

amber fractal
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to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion

stone badge
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you people are smart

proven merlin
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Recursion with self modifying code is fun :)

amber fractal
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Comes with experince, been programming for over a decade; aka over half my life

fast pagoda
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the missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.

In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.

amber fractal
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that is always a treat

azure lynx
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can you execute arbitrary x86 (32-bit) code with just the numbers? assume you have a pointer to yourself and you're in writable and executable memory. no size limit. (i.e. is numeric shellcode possible?)

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it definitely requires self modifying code.

amber fractal
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The program is loaded into it's own memory, so it isn't impossible in terms of the OS not liking you

azure lynx
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the bytes in the string 0123456789

amber fractal
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I mean, as long as you can point to that data to be executed evilShrug

rough bloom
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ye, just write into executable memory and then jump there somehow neurojuice

young plover
azure lynx
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but is it doable with only those 10 values out of all 256 possible bytes for instructions?

amber fractal
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Who said it needed to be valid xdx

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Gotta see what you are working with tho

azure lynx
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it needs to be valid. it needs to be whatever I want you to execute.

rough bloom
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printable x86 is a thing

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but just ASCII digits is probably too little

amber fractal
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48 through 57 for the ASCII numbers

azure lynx
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   0:   30 40 40                xor    %al,0x40(%eax)
  10:   31 40 40                xor    %eax,0x40(%eax)
  20:   32 40 40                xor    0x40(%eax),%al
  30:   33 40 40                xor    0x40(%eax),%eax
  40:   34 40                   xor    $0x40,%al
  50:   35 40 40 40 40          xor    $0x40404040,%eax
  60:   36 40                   ss inc %eax
  70:   37                      aaa
  80:   38 40 40                cmp    %al,0x40(%eax)
  90:   39 40 40                cmp    %eax,0x40(%eax)

does that help? that's 0@@@@@ ... 1@@@@@@ ... 2@@@@@ etc so you can see what sort of things you'd have.

young plover
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No control flow, so realistically no

azure lynx
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you can self modify that in later.

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what happens when you xor 0x30303030 with 0x30303030 ? you get 0x0 with 0x30303031 you get 0x1... you can make new opcodes.

amber fractal
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let me ask just to make the question clear

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are you storing the program as a ascii number string, or are you using base-16 but only the first 10 entries

azure lynx
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the input is literally the bytes from 0x30 to 0x39 which encode the ASCII characters '0' to '9'.

amber fractal
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Alright

azure lynx
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x86 has a nice set of instructions in that range. 0x35 is very cool. as is 0x37

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(there's a reason i didn't say amd64)

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and using 0x40 as the padding digits made it look harder than it really is

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you've got more registers

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and a couple of other potentially useful variations

nocturne olive
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What be happening here today?

amber fractal
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unless I have the wrong page I only see Logical Exclusive OR, SS segment override prefix, ASCII Adjust After Addition and Compare Two Operands

rough bloom
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vedalYes those are the ones

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only xor and cmp seem useful out of those

azure lynx
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that's all you need to start with. that lets you build things between 0x00000000 and 0x09090909

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the AAA is actually very useful for getting numbers out of that range

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and you're going to need to increment your pointer before you run out of space you can reference relative to eax (or whichever register)

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i've gotten as far as patching it into a conditional jump back into my code. was many years ago when i was working on a different thing and 32-bit x86 was relevant ;]

rough bloom
true hemlock
azure lynx
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xor $0x39393939, %eax; // xor that with 0x30303030 from a memory reference

amber fractal
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0x00000000 is easy because logical OR

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because it isn't the bitwise version

rough bloom
azure lynx
amber fractal
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the code to enter the experiment should not be relied on in the experiment, that is contamination

rigid snow
rough bloom
azure lynx
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the tricky part is working out what sequence of instructions you need to give it so that after your modifications, that will actually be modified to be what you intend it to be by the time it reaches there.

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for shellcode you can usually be pretty sure that there will be at least once register pointing into the data you control. usually the input is the reason it's managed to jump into that code.

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it's not an unreasonable ask.

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anyway, i found it a fun amusement for a few hours while i was waiting for a co-author to get back to me about the real project we were working on.

jagged turtle
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eslint is a complicated machine

azure lynx
opaque wharf
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Not a fan of oxlint either

rigid snow
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damn

jagged turtle
rigid snow
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linting code evilWAJAJA

azure lynx
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how long before "sassy lint" which acknowledges the code is fine and written "correctly" but thinks you went a little overboard with that comment on the 3rd argument and that extra linebreak in the conditional was just a bad choice overall based on vibes?

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"yeah... i'm not feeling those variable names speaking to me."

rigid snow
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now i need to make a choice, do i wanna be writing mods or refactoring them for 12hrs

opaque wharf
opaque wharf
rigid snow
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i need to tell it what to do exactly

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good thing i have an idea of how a mod should be structured

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what if a user doesn't

winged granite
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thoughts on this

fleet jungle
rigid snow
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it's real neuroCatUuh

fleet jungle
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I know Razer... they're prone to making A1st jokes

fleet jungle
winged granite
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iirc gatebox already did this decade ago

fleet jungle
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oh wow they actually didn't do it on A1st last year

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wth

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I watched the video

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this sucks

winged granite
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so razer copied gatebox homework

olive sable
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nope

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the tech behind this is a lot older than gatebox

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its also more likely they copied form the 1st gatebox

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it is still just a 2D screen tho SMH

opaque wharf
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Sam is still salty about the 2D ness lol

olive sable
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there is a reason im making my own

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i think the original gatebox uses a projector, the newer ones use transparent oled tho

idle dune
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I gave my Macbook Pro 2015 new life

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Its running Ubuntu

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I finally found out what the hell the problem with the graphics was for Linux installs

faint sandal
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also not to be trusted

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much like razer

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gatebox has had a history of shuttering old devices from functioning and has a wranglehold on your rights to use the content

idle dune
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intel_iommu needs to be disabled

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No clue what that does

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But

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It was the issue

amber fractal
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iommu is grouping pci devices together, used mainly for pasthrough in vms NeuroNerd

idle dune
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Oh

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Why would that make my screen satic Despairge

fleet jungle
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guessing it's some projection onto a glass screen

idle dune
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Should I straight up disable my amd gpu? This is going to be my school laptop and I need all the battery I can get

olive sable
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well. preferably make it based on it being plugged in or not

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so you at least get good performance on charger

midnight sigil
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vedalUUH can you get addicted to leetcode

idle dune
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I'm starting to see why people buy these old 2015 MacBook Pros to turn into Linux machiens

hearty notch
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ye

idle dune
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They are fast as hell and the screen is really really nice

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2880x1880

idle dune
midnight sigil
idle dune
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I'm ngl

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All my linux stuff

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I just use Claude as tech support

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Also Claude straight up told me to pirate games the other day, I think Anthropic made him to dangerously based.

hearty notch
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lmao

idle dune
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Wait lemme get exactly what it said

idle dune
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Damn it I deleted the chat

amber fractal
faint sandal
opaque wharf
mossy fossil
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Microsoft is a Corporation that turns "Microsoft CEO Claims 30% of its new code is written by AI" into "Microsoft Confirms a Windows 11 bug is crashing explorer.exe"

amber fractal
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I can see the image with a new news title added on it

mossy fossil
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making fun of microsoft tripling-down on AI when it's clearly not paying off will always be funny

amber fractal
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I love this image

opaque wharf
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Damnit

amber fractal
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I didn't even know half of these existed what

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oh, this is not updated yet

mossy fossil
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oh and microsoft is also not doing well in the terms of stocks too xd

amber fractal
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I wonder why glueless

mossy fossil
left solstice
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Does anyone know who made this btw?

jagged turtle
opaque sigil
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check pinned messages

left solstice
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Thanks

amber fractal
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Who'd use the name Igglyn?

olive sable
olive sable
amber fractal
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Surely not

left solstice
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Is just Igglyn fine or do you usually go by something else

amber fractal
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Tbf it is my fault for still being scrambled

olive sable
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hi konii

amber fractal
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I is the creator of the repo xdx

sage crag
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wrr

olive sable
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wrrrrr

amber fractal
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wrrrrrrrr

sage crag
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wrr

left solstice
olive sable
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just watched the newest ep of oshi no ko.
and we're so back neuroNOWAYING
back to being depressed AINTNOWAY

amber fractal
left solstice
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NeurOhISee Makes sense

olive sable
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they ussualy go by iggly, igglyn or official discord name is igglies

amber fractal
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opaque sigil
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iggy FOCUS

olive sable
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awawa

amber fractal
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igg 🥚

upbeat ridge
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Hello

olive sable
amber fractal
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his attack sucks

olive sable
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the koopalings in mario kart all suck

amber fractal
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jr is fine

olive sable
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eh

opaque sigil
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i was thinking of the cartoon with roaches but that was oggy apparently

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close enough

olive sable
amber fractal
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Maybe superbox was onto something when he was refusing to do letter swap for makerting guidelines

olive sable
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i made sure to get sam back

amber fractal
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tbf I could also throw my pfp up there

olive sable
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my name is most of my identity

amber fractal
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woman

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I need to think before I type

sage crag
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pssk

olive sable
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pssk is a new one

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i need 10 of my top lexicologists on this stat

amber fractal
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@left solstice before I forget, did you have a question about the FAQ or were you just curious about the creator?

opaque sigil
sage crag
olive sable
jagged turtle
sage crag
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phrr

olive sable
sage crag
olive sable
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probably

sage crag
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pssk

amber fractal
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yet

sage crag
olive sable
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im being indoctrinated by the trans community

left solstice
amber fractal
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It's only a matter of time enub

sage crag
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┐( ̄ヘ ̄)┌

left solstice
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People are gonna think I'm learning web dev when they see it but oh well evilShrug

sage crag
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bsuh

amber fractal
olive sable
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ahold is apparently not a word

amber fractal
sage crag
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wrr

amber fractal
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This one is also a classic

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you wouldn't believe how common the question is

left solstice
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Julliant also uses a link for his intro since he updates it occasionally but the problem with that is, people who want to use it will just save it as an image once and use that everytime

olive sable
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enub wrrr

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true

sage crag
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wrrenub

amber fractal
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at least how to deal with that

olive sable
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im pretty sure you can just save a link as a file

sage crag
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(ノ≧∀≦)ノ「enub

left solstice
amber fractal
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yeah, one of the approaches was using the raw github user content and just buying a short domain to redirect.

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so at least people could type out the lonk to embed

sage crag
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banan is die

olive sable
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so uh. you kinda just drag the link in the url of your browser to your file explorer

sage crag
amber fractal
opaque sigil
olive sable
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that also works i guess

left solstice
left solstice
amber fractal
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As if I have the time to deal with github pages. I want to but the NN project has consumed every last thought in my head.

amber fractal
olive sable
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nope

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it refuses to embed

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thats crazy

amber fractal
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is file enub

opaque sigil
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in what world would this embed

olive sable
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idk

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its just a link

opaque sigil
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it's a whole .desktop file enub

amber fractal
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I'm heading to bedge, gn chat

left solstice
olive sable
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isnt that what you want tho?

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the link stays the same but the image changes

left solstice
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I would need to open the link every time and 'save as' the image so kindof

olive sable
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or just send the link

left solstice
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Sure, that works fine

opaque sigil
olive sable
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no embed?

opaque sigil
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removed

olive sable
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oh

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ok

left solstice
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In that case, I'll just write down the link in a file and copy that. How often does it update btw?

opaque sigil
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the link is stable

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unless the filename changes it'll always point to the latest version

olive sable
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the image itself updates maybe once in a red moon

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no often at all

uneven pulsar
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i have a question. can you play arknights enfield on linux?

opaque wharf
olive sable
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probably?
you'd have to test it to find out but with proton i believe it should be fine

uneven pulsar
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i heard dwproton but i dont know what dwproton is neurOMEGALUL

opaque sigil
rough bloom
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ye that

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Dawn Winerys patched Proton version

opaque wharf
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The factory grows once more

olive sable
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actually

uneven pulsar
left solstice
winged granite
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wasd keys are locked in endfield cant even change the keybinding smh i play with mouse in left hand

olive sable
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i forget how slow usb2 is bwaadow
the 16tb hdd did 300mbps, but the 64gb usb stick does 6.4mbps

opaque sigil
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usb 2 does 480mbps

olive sable
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idk why but smaller size makes me think it should be faster

olive sable
opaque sigil
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the usb stick is just shit

olive sable
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its it 480mbps down, but slower up?

opaque wharf
left solstice
opaque wharf
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USB 2.0 FS is 2 Mbps no?

opaque wharf
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Mbps

winged granite
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my sandisk usb 3 flash drive does like 30 mbps write and over 130 read

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and its pretty inconsistent

olive sable
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compared to usb2 speeds

opaque sigil
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usb sticks are as cheap as they are for a reason enub

left solstice
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I also have external usb stick and hdd storage but transferring between them is only about 15-20MB/s for some reason

olive sable
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i should have used my external nvme bay

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at least that one does usb 3.2x2.... or whatever

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10Gbps USB 3.2 Gen 2

opaque sigil
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one of the few use cases for 2230 nvme drives

olive sable
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i have a fullsized 2280 in there ReallyInnocent

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it says its finished with transferring the data, but i cant eject the usb because "the device is busy"
ye then you're not finished transferring the data

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its actively lying to me

olive sable
opaque wharf
left solstice
olive sable
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i think its fine okp

left solstice
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I just realized "Always on topic" doesn't make any sense since it's supposed to be about the intro, not the channel neurOMEGALUL

opaque sigil
#

this channel is indeed always on topic ReallyInnocent

left solstice
#

Changed it to: They are always on topic* so feel free to ask anything

burnt oasis
#

Hey, swarm!
Anyone have any experience setting up VPN server to connect friends for VLAN gaming?
Maybe with SoftEther or other software?
Goal is to replace RAdmin, it kinda slow nowadays...

DM me if you're willing to help neuroHeart

rigid snow
#

we are ALWAYS on topic here at #baking

olive sable
rigid snow
#

the ai really said java isn't verbose enough

olive sable
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miniHmm pkill thunar appears to timeout

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interesting

opaque sigil
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pkill -9

olive sable
opaque sigil
#

sometimes you'll need -f on nixos too because of wrapped binaries

rough bloom
amber fractal
#

Okay chat I was going to sleep but I had an intrusive thought

fleet jungle
amber fractal
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anti flashbang

fleet jungle
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oof steep price

amber fractal
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this also means it doesn't exist yet

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which is the most suprising part

rigid snow
#

premium price means it does exist and is in possession of the registrar that you see it at

amber fractal
#

ohisee

silent island
#

chat, i just realized something hilarious

amber fractal
rough bloom
rigid snow
#

quick start a llm asic company, the domain will get you funding

rigid snow
#

the domain will get you funding
i hate that this isn't a joke

silent island
rigid snow
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rather vc is

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why is your explorer using 190mb of ram wtf

amber fractal
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battle of the century, oh and football is there too neurOMEGALUL

rigid snow
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this is not normally reboot him pc

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get llm.forex for double cancer domain

silent island
rigid snow
#

weird

silent island
#

i miss the good ol days when programs would consume less than 100 mb of memory...

amber fractal
#

ah yes hospital and hosting. I would hope llm.host and llm.hosting lead somewhere

rough bloom
#

llm.horse already taken neuroSadge

sage crag
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llm.gay

amber fractal
#

taken

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someone finish this sentence

olive sable
#

my face when the TLD .gratis is not free

amber fractal
fickle rain
#

Double the AI

olive sable
#

.uno neuroNOWAYING

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.kyoto Minamhm

amber fractal
olive sable
#

kyoto at all costs

amber fractal
#

unoooooooo

olive sable
#

i was jsut looking at the wiki for all the TLDs btw

amber fractal
#

Final one for me, this is a metaphor somehow

fickle rain
#

Good thing llm.casino isn’t taken yet

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Just one more token bro

amber fractal
#

just one more

sick owl
#

The openclaws psychosis is getting out of hand

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And yes, the site was vibe coded

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And is probably riddled with security holes

warm zealot
#

didn't the moltbook one have some crazy security holes

amber fractal
#

there are several AI's that wouldn't have to pay me. But not these bois.

amber fractal
sage crag
sick owl
lunar path
rough bloom
#

pigeon research vedalYes

cosmic sphinx
rough bloom
#

employment by prompt injection

cosmic sphinx
sick owl
#

I somehow doubt they actually pay though neurOMEGALUL

rough bloom
opaque wharf
#

100$/hr is insane rate

cosmic sphinx
rough bloom
rough bloom
fleet jungle
#

bUuzzz

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buUzzz

worldly plank
#

Just what.

opaque sigil
fast pagoda
mighty bane
#

LETSGOOOOOO

#

I introduced this user-config stuff now. It's a lot less frustrating for people to use compared to before. I think.

fickle rain
#

OK what can I do with this

velvet vale
#

an ai paid me to make this post /s

young plover
light tartan
#

how does one program esp32?

rough bloom
#

obtain SDK of choice, write your program using that, then flash to the esp32 nub

mighty bane
rough bloom
#

it's a super common microcontroller so there are probably quite a few ways, mostly depending on the language you want to use and the specifics of what you want to accomplish

rigid snow
#

yeah make sure to use nostd rust too neuroTroll

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oh oh right

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embedded swift

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cause that exists

opaque sigil
#

make sure to skip the sdk part mhm

rough bloom
#

true, you can do that

rigid snow
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neuroSadge not all supported

opaque wharf
opaque sigil
opaque wharf
rigid snow
opaque sigil
rigid snow
#

with each word my heart dropped further and further by a little

opaque wharf
#

We can have memory leak in embedded more accessible now

rigid snow
#

it was always accessible

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only requirement is to have an allocator

opaque wharf
#

To be fair, micropython has long been there since the inception

opaque sigil
#

that reminds me, there's a quickjs version targeted towards embedded devices now

opaque wharf
#

I think everyone is starting to ask "can we?" and didn't stop to ask "should we?"

rigid snow
#

and as far as microcontrollers running js go there's espruino which is so ancient it died

opaque wharf
#

Who am I kidding, this is #programming . No one ask "should we?"

rigid snow
#

i remember it being a thing when es6 JUST came out

mighty bane
#

chat, are there keyboards that do NOT have ctrl? (for windows)

opaque wharf
#

I feel like a wasm typescript language thingies would be more fitting than js

mighty bane
#

Because I just realised: there are keyboards that do not have Pause/Brk

opaque wharf
rigid snow
#

stupid name

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hate it

opaque wharf
#

At least the language is typed evilWheeze

rigid snow
#

on windows

fickle rain
#

Nvm it does have Ctrl I’m blind

mighty bane
#

It has now been fixed.

young plover
# opaque sigil that reminds me, there's a quickjs version targeted towards embedded devices now

Was looking for a JS engine to embed on a small Linux product about a year ago. QuickJS-NG had very good performance consistency, but stuff like string manipulation was worse than years-old spidermonkey since it didn't use ropes yet. The fork was also too new for me to trust it would stay maintained, and the API docs sucked.
Looks like most of those problems have been solved now.

rigid snow
# rigid snow why would there be, ctrl is THE modifier key

so much so i use a win-alt-ctrl-space layout on my keyboard because having a mac taught me that having the main modifier key right beside space which is where your thumb naturally goes is superior to having to press it with your palm (genuinely who tf came up with this)

fickle rain
#

Cool, next time you can make malware on purpose

mighty bane
rigid snow
#

PINKY!!????!??

mighty bane
#

The little finger.

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:scatter

rigid snow
#

that's just insane

mighty bane
#

D:

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WTF

rigid snow
#

i'm shocked

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does anyone do that

opaque sigil
opaque wharf
rigid snow
#

same quickjs

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well, not of the micro one

opaque sigil
#

yea they're different enub

mighty bane
#

is this not how ya'll do hand placement?

young plover
opaque wharf
mighty bane
maiden geyser
rigid snow
#

fuck do you mean w-a-d

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i'm not talking about gaming i'm talking about using the computer

mighty bane
#

pinky on shift, ringfinger on A, middle on W, and index on D - thumb resting on Spacebar.

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This is the resting position.

opaque wharf
mighty bane
#

from here you move your hand to wherever it needs to go based on what you're doing for work.

rigid snow
mighty bane
#

Sometimes I rest my index finger on F because it has the little bump that tells me definitively where my hand is placed.

opaque wharf
maiden geyser
rigid snow
opaque sigil
rigid snow
#

to rest your index finger at

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without looking at the keyboard

mighty bane
mighty bane
#

J has one, too.

rigid snow
#

that's for the other hand

opaque wharf
#

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I know how to use the marking on the keyboard. But my resting place is still W-A-D

mighty bane
#

But who the heck uses seperate fingers for shift and ctrl?

opaque wharf
#

It's too deeply ingrained to my brain to not do that

mighty bane
#

They can even be held down with the pinky simultaneously. There is NO benefit to using your ring finger there.

rigid snow
#

that's why it's called the home row...

mighty bane
rigid snow
#

ring finger on w?

mighty bane
#

In fact I have my middle finger resting sideways at a 35° angle between W and E.

rigid snow
#

serial killer type shit

mighty bane
#

Ringfinger on A.

mighty bane
opaque wharf
#

No, I don't do that

mighty bane
#

I also tend to have my index finger slipping from F to resting between F and D.

maiden geyser
rigid snow
#

the indents are for your index fingers

mighty bane
rigid snow
#

so my question now is how the fuck do you end up with ring finger on a

rigid snow
opaque wharf
rigid snow
#

i'm outta here man

#

i thought i was weird for almost touch typing but taking my hands off

mighty bane
#

I don't think I have to listen to boomers about where to place my hand. Homerow... insulting

rigid snow
#

nah

opaque wharf
mighty bane
#

WTF is touch type?

rigid snow
#

oh i just take my hand off the keyboard

#

when i use a mouse

opaque wharf
#

That is insane

mighty bane
#

How would you use a mouse without removing a hand from the keyboard?

#

WTF is going on

rigid snow
#

no i mean the left hand

mighty bane
#

...

opaque wharf
#

Yes, I know

mighty bane
#

MODS

rigid snow
#

but when i do shortcuts with the other i still rest on the home row with the thumb on the ctrl (where cmd is on mac, usually where alt is) then i

#

then i what

#

i forgot already

opaque wharf
mighty bane
rigid snow
#

i said how in parens

mighty bane
#

Oh

rigid snow
#

it's to the left of space

mighty bane
#

You can setup a keyboard to swap ctrl and alt?

mighty bane
#

That's cool.

rigid snow
#

ye i said i set up mine to be win-alt-ctrl

mighty bane
#

Ctrl in middle is diabolical.

opaque wharf
#

With the right keyboard and OS you can set up the keyboard to be pressing whatever you want

young plover
#

Typing class didn't do anything for me long-term. glue
My pinkies only use left control and delete. My thumbs are only for space and left shift. I mostly type letters by alternating my index and middle fingers unless it's way more convenient to use the ring finger.
It works reasonably quick.

opaque wharf
rigid snow
#

ye mac style is so much nicer

mighty bane
#

You guys are making shid up.

#

This is insane.

rigid snow
mighty bane
#

And impossible.

#

Did you mean thumb for right shift?

#

No that's almost worse.

rigid snow
#

that wouldn't make sense either

mighty bane
young plover
rigid snow
#

wait i just realized

#

i do sometimes do thumb for left shift

#

but my hand is almost off the keyboard by then

young plover
#

Would have to curl other fingers down and press it with the nail otherwise

mighty bane
#

Why are you guys' hands so far off to the side?

#

What are your fingers doing OFF the keyboard? this is lunacy.

#

This is legit infuriating.

young plover
#

Wide shoulders and big hands glue

mighty bane
young plover
#

Home row position squeezes my chest

opaque wharf
rigid snow
#

bring the keyboard closer maybe

opaque wharf
mighty bane
#

I am getting unreasonably enraged by what is going on in this channel.

#

the thumb is for spacebar. Spacebar and Alt when doing Alt-F4, maybe.

young plover
tender river
#

my typing style is pretty efficient because i use all 10 fingers

maiden geyser
tender river
#

but there are some letter combinations that i type inefficiently

mighty bane
tender river
#

for example, i type choco using left index, left index, right index, left index, right index

mighty bane
#

huh.. the O I use right middle finger, but otherwise the same.

tender river
#

but i type mint right thumb, right index, right thumb, left index which is pretty good

mighty bane
#

How is that inefficient?

tender river
mighty bane
#

mint: right index right middle, right index, left index.

mighty bane
opaque wharf
#

Typing is a whole different issue than resting position tho

tender river
mighty bane
#

Inconsistencies!

tender river
#

i use it for o in mitosis

#

actually i dont

opaque sigil
tender river
#

i tried typing mitosis and i just type i and o with the same finger

mighty bane
#

My biggest hurdle is double-letters.

#

but particularly letters with double-S.

tender river
#

but if io are in a row then i do use my right middle finger

mighty bane
#

letter (two t's) is not too bad, not sure why. Same for too, again not sure why.

#

But assassination?

#

Takes me ten years to type out.

tender river
#

import -> right index right thumb right middle right index left index left index NeurOhISee my left index just does two presses in a single swiping motion

mighty bane
#

import typos to impoert for me a lot. Interesting.

#

Import... I double use left index finger for RT... This is annoying.

#

Middle-finger => index-finger roll introduces too many E typos.

#

AAAAA

tender river
#

when using colemak i use the proper home row technique though neuro3

mighty bane
#

(what is colemak?)

opaque wharf
#

When typing import, I usually just type i and let the IDE help me neuroTroll

tender river
#

when using qwerty i just remember where the keys are and dont have to rest my hands anywhere

opaque wharf
mighty bane
mighty bane
tender river
#

no

#

thats just the layouts name

opaque sigil
#

john colemak neuroPogHD

mighty bane
#

How long does it take to learn a new keyboard layout?

opaque wharf
#

John QWERTY neuroTroll

tender river
#

vedalShrug as quick as much practice you're willing to put in

mighty bane
#

That's a nonsensical answer.

tender river
#

it isn't

#

if you don't use a layout, you'll never learn it

#

if you spend 12 hours a day grinding typeracer, you'll obviously learn any layout very quickly

opaque sigil
#

you're not going to magically build up muscle memory out of nowhere

mighty bane
#

Why colemak over dvorak?

tender river
#

its closer to qwerty so easier to learn, its also claimed to have a slightly better finger distribution than dvorak

mighty bane
#

Dvorak claims to have the ultimate spread for making the most fluent and 'natural' flow.

#

With the exception of keyboard shortcuts for obvious reasons.

tender river
#

it doesn't claim to have THE optimal spread, and neither does colemak

#

also, it wont help your typing speed, but it may reduce finger movement

mighty bane
#

Hm

mighty bane
#

It seems I was malinformed.

#

Dvorak WAS superior.. 100 years ago :S

rigid snow
#

yes consistently

#

had to retype like 10 times because i kept confusing the order of the fingers i use for different o's

#

is that weird

opaque sigil
#

me when I flip a coin for which finger to use for o

tender river
#

using two different fingers for the same key when the hand does no other keypresses looks pretty weird to me

mighty bane
#

... Stenography. I need to learn stenography.

mighty bane
tender river
#

not really

opaque sigil
#

not when there's a letter in-between

mighty bane
#

Because while one finger ups, the other goes down. Rare, but definitely a thing. Also lets your first finger rest a bit instead of popping twice.

#

Unless there's a letter in between, true.

#

But for double presses like S and T etc. it's definitely not wasted to have two fingers hit the same letter.

#

Although it's rare.. and based on what comes before, after, and "soon".

#

rigid snow
tender river
#

oh i see

rigid snow
#

ye, there is a c in between the o's which my hand moves towards

#

and a different finger is on the second o

tender river
#

still weird but i tried it and it doesnt seem that uncomfy

opaque wharf
#

It does not indeed

#

Feels pretty natural too

opaque sigil
#

I'm more confused that you went for the o with your middle finger but I guess if it works it works

light tartan
rough bloom
#

ye, I'm sure espressif released one

light tartan
rigid snow
#

but this is a script thing, i think of it like lua?

light tartan
#

thanks

#

I'm interested in difference between micro controllers, I have arduino at this instant

rigid snow
light tartan
#

would've been nice knowing all the possibilities to switch to

rigid snow
#

there are too many

light tartan
#

there are good ones and bad ones though

rigid snow
#

you got espressif ones you got stms you got raspberry pi ones

light tartan
#

btw

#

google thinkpad keyboard layout and look at the bottom left

#

did anyone ever said that this is better than the normal layout?

rigid snow
light tartan
#

broo it's even worse

rigid snow
#

how if it's the same neuroCry

light tartan
#

ctrl is smaller

rigid snow
#

it's not the same thing

#

you use cmd for shortcuts

light tartan
#

ew

rigid snow
#

ctrl is for terminal shortcuts

#

it even has the caret NueroCaret

light tartan
#

one more reason not to use

#

that

rigid snow
#

your loss

#

it's much more convenient

maiden geyser
#

and somehow always the membranes

rigid snow
#

i'd take my macbook kb over a mechanical laptop one any day thank you very much

#

those feel yucky

#

not right

maiden geyser
#

no, it's only desktop membrane keyboards that always suck, laptop ones are fine

fickle rain
#

Buy a Magic Keyboard if you want le MacBook keyboard experience on desktop?

rigid snow
#

i don't want that

#

i specifically said laptop mechanical keyboards, not even low profile in general, specifically laptop ones

opaque sigil
#

you mean the cherry ones they used(?) in a couple laptops?

#

https://x.com/claudeai/status/2019467374420722022 surely they wouldn't take the model that was supposed to be sonnet 5 and release it as opus right glueless

Opus 4.6 is state-of-the-art on several evaluations including agentic coding, multi-discipline reasoning, knowledge work, and agentic search.

We're also shipping new features across Claude in Excel, Claude in PowerPoint, Claude Code, and our API to let Opus 4.6 do even more.

cosmic sphinx
#

oh how I love these model numerations

#

more ai models, less hardware despair

fiery anchor
#

never trust a statistic that you haven't faked.

opaque sigil
cosmic sphinx
#

+30% increase in 1 model sub-iteration
this almost reeks of benchmaxxing

opaque sigil
opaque wharf
#

I am tired of tracking every model imaginable. They're like releasing like phone now

opaque sigil
#

i don't really pay much attention to new model releases but it's been fun seeing people on twitter get baited about sonnet 5 multiple days in a row

maiden geyser
cosmic sphinx
opaque sigil
#

stingy SMH

olive sable
#

LOTR marathon

#

4/12 hours

tender river
#

that equals 20 minutes hope that helps neuroSensei

rigid snow
#

no it’s 4/(12 hrs)

#

a third of something each hour

opaque wharf
#

Heck yeah, my oshi is streaming

mighty thorn
opaque wharf
#

Did you guys pay for OpenAI and other AI companies?

opaque sigil
#

i only use the free copilot pro that comes with being a student enub

opaque sigil
tender river
opaque sigil
#

spawn point debuff FOCUS

tender river
#

i had an openai account before sanctions hit which is the only reason i can use chatgpt

#

i didnt have an anthropic account

#

i have a github account obviously but they dont let me use copilot because i cant pay them so they refuse to let me use the free version as well

#

deepseek works fine

opaque sigil
#

wait they don't let you use free copilot with having a payment method?

tender river
opaque sigil
#

weird

tender river
fickle rain
#

I guess if I was Real AI Power User™ I’d have the $$$ for 200€ sub

clear radish
#

guys what if i make an neuro floating on your screen apk

#

It's gonna be peak trust

tender river
#

neuro i'm about to enter my credit card details please dont look

clear radish
#

lol

winged granite
clear radish
#

oh great

#

i Will download it right now

flint pine
#

Is there an IQ requirement for this channel?

maiden geyser
opaque sigil
flint pine
opaque sigil
unkempt citrus
# mighty thorn crazy

Oh are they getting ridt of the 4 series again, did they make an equally parasocial replacement?

flint pine
maiden geyser
#

Hi Sergey,
I am writing to you as someone who values elegant mathematics and efficient hardware. I have a concept, born from the synergy of human intuition and AI, which I believe deserves the attention of your chip architects.
The Hypothesis (Smart-ROM):
We propose to rethink the role of ROM and transform it from "storage" into a "computer." Us...

▶ Play video
#

meds?

opaque wharf
azure lynx
#

yeah. ya nye pinyanmiyoo.

maiden geyser
#

whatever that dude tried to say

azure lynx
#

videos of walls of text tend to rely on being able to read the text

#

for details so you can tell the person isn't summarizing it wrong

ember hound
#

neuroHappi chat fuck my life, they send me ticket 1h before i leave, nothing is working on pre prod environment i got no idea how i gonna solve it

#

neuro7 tmr gonna be fun

tender river
azure lynx
#

i'm assuming you mean the month thing using your fingers and not just in general. ;]

tender river
#

ye

young plover
#

"Thirty Days Hath September", or "Thirty Days Has September", is a traditional verse mnemonic used to remember the number of days in the months of the Julian and Gregorian calendars. It arose as an oral tradition and exists in many variants. It is currently earliest attested in English, but was and remains common throughout Europe as well.
Full:...

azure lynx
#

i just memorized the fact all multiples of 9 sum to 9 and when i wrote 2 digit ones i just had to make them add up.

#

would've been even easier to memorize the tables.

rain flame
#

i know it might not be him, but it job desc matches

#

ML engineer, Norweigan

#

...

#

it fits so nicely

warped narwhal
# tender river

count the knuckles from left to right, a knuckle has 31 days, a gap has 30 (except feburary of course), you don't count the gap between your two hands

#

january february march april may june july august september october november december
knuckle gap knuckle gap knuckle gap knuckle next hand knuckle gap knuckle gap knuckle
31 28 31 30 31 30 31 31 30 31 30 31

#

that's going to be all kinds of messed up on mobile isn't it

rain flame
tender river
#

#

compact mode and line wrap breaks alignment on all platforms

#

use code blocks if you want aligned text

warped narwhal
#

spreadsheets to the rescue

azure lynx
#

the easy way to remember it is that July and August were named after people and are longer.

#

(which is why the 9th month starts with Sept (which means 7), the 10th starts with Oct (which means 8) and so on till the end. They inserted Julius and Augustus in the middle of summer, ruining the names of everyone coming after. how rude.)

unkempt citrus
#

How do you multiply by nine with your fingersr

#

and why would you do that over x10 -1

azure lynx
unkempt citrus
#

-# be rich

amber fractal
#

That'd be abusing the fact that multiplying by 9 in base 10 for the first 10 entries has the digets add to 9, starting at 09, you add one to the left and remove one from the right.

#

||where X is whole, if 0 < X <= 10, (10 - X) + (X-1) * 10 == X * 9||
evilShrug

autumn kettle
#

X=10 easy

sick owl
#

Amazing new speech to text model from Mistral

#

They may be slightly behind in language model performance but man are they ever frontier level with speech recognition

dire trout
#
        loud_value = float(Loud)
        water_value = float(Water)

        if (loud_value <= SOUND_THRESHOLD) and (water_value <= 0):
            trigger_alert = "Timer started"
            if timer_thread is None or not timer_thread.is_alive():
                timer_running = True
                timer_thread = threading.Thread(target=background_timer)
                timer_thread.start()
            if timer_finished:
                timer_running = False
                trigger_alert = "Using too much water. Please stop showering."
        elif (loud_value <= SOUND_THRESHOLD) and (water_value >= 1):
            trigger_alert = "Timer stopped"
            timer_running = False
        elif (loud_value > SOUND_THRESHOLD) and (water_value >= 1):
            trigger_alert = "None, all ok"
            seconds = 0
            timer_running = False
            timer_finished = False

i feel like i fucked up somewhere with this

sick owl
#

Needs a mistral API key though which kind of sucks

amber fractal
#

NN v4 finally is passing the tests meaning at least it functions neuroHypers

#

I had a issue that I was pretty sure needed a small overhaul but one last change worked so I'm suprised it worked today

#

I've thrown it up on WIP as there are still some features missing that need implmentations

#

but it is up at least

#

Well, there is only one thing left to do

#

see if it blows up on the MNIST dataset

#

please let my 107 line numpy arch work MinawanPrayge

amber fractal
#

I guess that is a way to import the dataset evilShrug
frick it, why not just use TF just for the dataset xdx

#

no 3.13 support CerberNOOOO

#

all of my fun typing stuff evilDeadge

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surely I won't get errors running the code glueless

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Actually not

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Suprsing

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oh Finally it has loaded the next method to grab the dataset

fast pagoda
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Speaking of dataset