programming

[olive sable]

liek actually

⁨```cpp
int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
#ifdef EMSCRIPTEN
pass
#else
//VulkanEngine vulkanEngine;
/if (!vulkanEngine.initVulkan())
{/
std::cout << "Failed to create vulkan instance\n" << std::endl;
OpenGLEngine openglEngine;
//}
#endif

return EXIT_SUCCESS;

}

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

ye it just says that

[amber fractal]

hmm

[opaque sigil]

Vulkan was a lie all along

[olive sable]

it failed to create a vulkan instance cuz i activly made it unable to do so

toast look

[opaque sigil]

I saw

[olive sable]

i invented digital

also, it was doing 40% of my vram before, and that went away and i don't know how or why

[amber fractal]

"minor lag spike" to begin with but it is fine

[opaque sigil]

Man I'm so happy I don't have to write makefiles anymore

[olive sable]

ok ye

im trying it at 180hz

gives me a headache

[amber fractal]

@olive sable

[maiden geyser]

holy nails

[olive sable]

huh

thats interesting

[fleet jungle]

uh sorry for having you repeat youself but

[olive sable]

idk how to fix tho

[fleet jungle]

what exactly are you making with this thing

[amber fractal]

"get better hardware" I guess

[olive sable]

volumetric display

[olive sable]

i wonder if that one thing i cant mention here would be good at doing this compute shader

[fleet jungle]

ah

interesting

[amber fractal]

Mabe? That has latency issues tho as we are learning

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

mf is networked to main system

[fiery anchor]

nlohmann::json... 2 weeks ago i replaced our usage of it within the api of our app (serialization/deserialization ) with rapidjson, and had 3x performance improvement.

[amber fractal]

otherwise I think it might actually work well

[olive sable]

obs seems to be unable to record 120fps

nevermind the 180 i was trying to do

hmmmm

[amber fractal]

obs too heavy bwaa

but I'm also not sure what does 60+ FPS

[olive sable]

welp, i set it to 1080p and then it was able to do 180fps, but i doubt anything will play the video at 180fps

[amber fractal]

I can get close

[olive sable]

i couldnt do 60fps cuz it jsut kept takign frames that looked exactly the same

so ruining the effect

[amber fractal]

back to 60fps you go phone

It doesn't play in 165fps

[olive sable]

welp, first update is out

imma eap

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

i made the compute shader only go inbetween every 5 frames

should be close enoguht to what we want

[amber fractal]

I should try doing it again

[olive sable]

with that its not using that much gpu for me

like 60%

[amber fractal]

Nah, it isn't going to end well for me

[olive sable]

i set it to vsync cuz my monitors are 180hz and 4225/24 = 176.041666

and your laptop might not die now

[amber fractal]

one way to find out

[olive sable]

oh ye

[amber fractal]

one frame

better than zero frames

[olive sable]

for this i set the buffers to 570x1140x570.
in terms of vertical resolution in the real device we will only need 570x1140x160

[amber fractal]

uhh

[olive sable]

the problem with that is that the tutl model is too big to fit well

and i wanted it to use the whole screen

forgot to edit the copy pasta

[amber fractal]

let me edit a const rq

[olive sable]

there are like 5 different const in different files for htis

cuz i be scatterbrain

lemme jsut git push this

[fiery anchor]

hmmm...

[olive sable]

checks out

[amber fractal]

All of 3 frames now

[olive sable]

its 24 frames, but cuz of hw rgb8 works, the least significant bit is less bright and such

[amber fractal]

[fiery anchor]

Had to write create CMakeLists and vcpkg.json due to my hate of stuff like nix.

[olive sable]

thats crazy

[fiery anchor]

didn't say i wasn't

[olive sable]

i pushed a version with depth of 160

should run better too

only uses 20% gpu now for me

@amber fractal try the new one

[amber fractal]

working on it

3 frames with just as long lag spike

[olive sable]

shit

im out of ideas

i guess lower the resolution to 144p on your side

[amber fractal]

surely it'll do something

[olive sable]

i lied im getting food

[amber fractal]

where tf is the resoution

[fiery anchor]

"a bit"

[amber fractal]

better for me (it didn't)

[olive sable]

The fragment shader has width, height and depth

Same thing for the compute shader

Then in gl_loadgltf.cpp or whatever its called, there's something there too

Then

In main.cpp

Theres a function to make the SSBO

That has like 570 x 1140 x 160 or something

Just change those values to the ones you want

[olive sable]

570 is 3.5 times more than 160, so 3.5 times more expensive

Roughly

[amber fractal]

every time I think I got all of them, there ends up being another one

I got nothing

keep changing values and nothing changes

no spinning boi for me until later ig

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

phrr

[true hemlock]

elvyn get off of koni's account

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1428468618567352471/image0.gif

[amber fractal]

let her keep the account, it is funny

[olive sable]

Hi konii

[sage crag]

camuel

[fleet jungle]

https://tenor.com/m9vL0RN739B.gif

Ik it's a thumbnail but...

[amber fractal]

Here are my guesses:

• We as a species can't provide enough compute
• We are not giving enough good data to train models
• We are stuck in a way of thinking only we know
• We are going down the wrong path and we can't stop it

[maiden geyser]

petah, why are you running 200 claude code instances at once

[fleet jungle]

good guesses

All could be valid reasoning, but without a needlessly accusative tone that the title/thumbnail have imo

[amber fractal]

My personal opinions are 3 and 4

Stop doing LLMs stupid

[fleet jungle]

mhm

While impressive at a glance, closer, and continuous usage proves the futility of the project

I suppose I could speculate all day what they're arguing, or I could just watch the video lol

[amber fractal]

If it isn't any of them, it might just be ragebait and clickbait

[fleet jungle]

if it is any of them, the wording is engagement bait

well that's still clickbait but yea

[amber fractal]

engamement bait is the combonation of ragebait and clickbait

[fleet jungle]

hmm

well I found out what he's calling the Bitter Lesson

Paper by some fellow in 2019

I'm curious

Did the voice LMs like eleven labs arrive before or after transformer LLMs?

Like to a capacity that they sound like a talking person

interesting

[rough bloom]

I kinda like that it's in there but there should probably be some explanation that you don't need it

millions will install PyTorch

[amber fractal]

torch the masses

I am not englishing at this hour

[fleet jungle]

You are right in your 4th guess

(from that same video)

[amber fractal]

Yessssss

[fleet jungle]

you know what I think

When the LLMs fall into that constantly-self-correcting loop bug, that's probably where you can see the gap that not having a "controller" agent presents

like, one such agent/entity would be like "ok, I need to stop here - I'm not getting anywhere. I must do some research"

[amber fractal]

Yep, one requires the soul

It is surprising how much we've gotten from this text predictor but we need something else

[fleet jungle]

yea

[amber fractal]

-# Surely no LLM supremacists are on at this hour

[opaque wharf]

My charging module burned

[fleet jungle]

Question is though, how do you train such a thing, because it's an environment action rather than content action

Doing something, then moving onto something else involving a different device or medium

then returning to it

[amber fractal]

The first thing to start with is identifying it is wrong at all

[fleet jungle]

yeah

[amber fractal]

needs to find a wrong state and understand it is in one

[fleet jungle]

that probably comes from an understanding of actions and consequences

oh you're talking about valleys and hills?

idk how to translate higher-level concepts into math sadly

[sage crag]

neuro live laugh love

[wraith meteor]

LLL

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

[amber fractal]

Slightly biased as that is my pet project

[wraith meteor]

So basically what I wanna do is give desmos for chat, but chat can manipulate variables

and it makes neuro see what chat is representing on canvas

[fleet jungle]

that's nice

[fleet jungle]

neuro middle age mother when

[wraith meteor]

when you grow up

and become grandpa

[amber fractal]

Man I wish it could be translated into math, I sorta just didn't with my attempt

[wraith meteor]

Let me do it for you

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/yiideoxe52

Give this for neuro

And let chat write new functions

limit max 100 functions

variables never change

they are statically changing

But chat can create something (depending on their knowledge)

Basically neuro will be the testing data and chat will be training AI

[fleet jungle]

OK I watched the video to the most I could

[amber fractal]

All of my attempts are just bit based. So if I ever see a zero I'm cooked

[wraith meteor]

if (0) skip

[fleet jungle]

It sounds like a pretty sound statement, an observation. I'm still not happy with the wording, or maybe it's the composition of that title with that paper

[wraith meteor]

it's a concept

[amber fractal]

nah I need know when I'm cooked so I can no longer be cooked by learning new things.

if I get a zero result in the test model when there is supposed to be an output however

[wraith meteor]

if(0) -> warning

debug warning

Can't you inspect what's in the middle?

before output

[amber fractal]

I can give you the repo

[wraith meteor]

if (0) +1?

[amber fractal]

but yeah I can inspect stuff just fine

[wraith meteor]

so it is never 0

if it becomes 0

give it a little push

like +0.001

fake the data

close to 0

but not 0

never 0

[amber fractal]

[wraith meteor]

thoughts?

in statistics you won't notice 0.001 if range 0-10

but it will not kill the algorythm

just slow down

right?

[amber fractal]

Man this readme is outdated

https://github.com/igglyn/NN/tree/WIP

I'm sorta not using floats at all

[wraith meteor]

Ohhh 6 bits?

[amber fractal]

Math would be nice, but I'm using a bitfield

[wraith meteor]

not error -> warning "Error instead of Hallucinating stuff that doesn't exist"

[amber fractal]

That is called outputting a zero because case matching doesn't match

and you OR all matches together

Simple to intercept

[wraith meteor]

Do you want it to be intercepted?

[amber fractal]

I just wish I wasn't in the middle of another rewrite because it doesn't work yet

In training I'll be intercepting, for anything else I haven't actually thought that far ahead yet as this thing has the very real chance of not being able to work at all.

[wraith meteor]

I see

I never tried to stop it during training

Just killing

And making branches

[amber fractal]

I guess intercepting is just sorta just a normal training thing. You save your values so you know what effects it had.

Even in Transformers that is the process

[wraith meteor]

Yeah save values aka make backup or quicksave

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

[amber fractal]

The cheat code with this is just how light it is, and the fact I can easily reverse the process to solve for errors.
In a general model though, I don't see it being useful. At least not until I stop being pessimistic about it.

It is a nice tool, but I have some changes to do before I start testing it for real.

If I really wanted to, I could scrap together a demo with the existing version. But I have changes to make

[wraith meteor]

⁨```

Question -> Sounds like someone has a bad case of the munchies

answer: Pancake Panckae Panckae [Neuros Ex wife] Pancake Death

question -> what's a cool spring day's temperature in farenheit

answer: huh, where's that? netherlands? meow. Death

Do you see how I multithread on one chat now?

I have multiples conversations in one chat

DALTOn (Server Shrine Maiden): Sounds like someone has a bad case of the munchies
[15:34]jmeel: what's a cool spring day's temperature in farenheit
[15:34]Huỳnh Pancake🥞
: huh
[15:34]Huỳnh Pancake🥞
: where's that?
[15:34]Huỳnh Pancake🥞
: Netherlands?
[15:35]AxieAxolotl [Neuros EX wife💊]
: mrrrow
[15:35]Huỳnh Pancake🥞
:
[15:35]sixbytes: "Suffocated in a wall"

And this was the chat

Enjoy

[wraith meteor]

This is what I encoded

[wraith meteor]

This is how chatter sees my convo

It's fool proof

[reef ingot]

Any one has any advise to lern c??

[uneven pulsar]

w3school

[opaque wharf]

Make something. Anything. From those project you'll learn a lot more than what could be taught via just syntax and documentation

[uneven pulsar]

yeah bro but if you genuinely know nothing, you can't just spawn code from the air

that's why documentation exists

[opaque wharf]

There's a whole world of difference between knowing "alright, I need to have a condition, how do I do that in C?" vs "alright, this is how I do condition in C. When will I need it?"

[sage crag]

phrr

[fleet jungle]

have a goal to achieve with the language, then try writing it, then use docs to guide how to use the features

[sage crag]

enub

[maiden geyser]

memeslop

[midnight sigil]

use Cursor

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-vibe-code-vibe-coders-gipity-gpt-gif-3312044113234610154

[stone loom]

a = function local```
🥹

[glass jetty]

(casually just giving worst advice possible) (how to learn c)

[fleet jungle]

learn C by doing programming in C:

What programming language you ask? shut up

[fickle rain]

Why would I do programming on my C:\ drive

[warped narwhal]

What is a C drive? I only know /

[stone badge]

for a particular recursion algorithm one is struggling to understand is it advisable to use pen and paper to work out each invocations

or is it too much work

[reef ingot]

I want to make a os for micro controller

[opaque wharf]

Anything that helps said person clarify what really happens is not "too much work"

[fleet jungle]

Incredibly ambitious goal

Oh

[reef ingot]

I made a kernal ish thing in micro python and like it's cooked it's a single file with 900+ lines

[fleet jungle]

do it directly in your root

[fleet jungle]

that's heavy

[reef ingot]

Thank you

[young plover]

Simple embedded RTOS with no memory protection isn't too crazy, but as a first project maybe.

[reef ingot]

Ya it was slow asf and like it outputs for a vga screen had a ok ish gui i broke the micro sd card I had the os

[fleet jungle]

I'm not gonna stop you or try to impede you. If you're well-acquainted with programming in Python I think you already know programming fundamentals to try C

[young plover]

You kinda need to know assembly too for context switching

[stone badge]

the algorithm is O(2^n)

[opaque wharf]

Depends if it's a cooperative RTOS or pre-emptive one

[reef ingot]

Thank I am asking sugetions from every server I am part of thanks agin

[fleet jungle]

That's nice

You don't have to be afraid of wrecking the hardware I think

Unless soldering is involved

Speaking of wrecking hardware, has that happened to anyone? Broke the hardware through bad coding

[reef ingot]

It's a homebrew computer

[fleet jungle]

nvm I recall my desktop PC mobo getting fried because of the OS on a faulty HDD

[fleet jungle]

Ah

Very nice

[reef ingot]

Me i broke my esp32 it's a dumb way

[fleet jungle]

Nvm it's a good thing you're asking for advice first

[reef ingot]

Yo shuld I send you a photo of it?

[reef ingot]

This is like day 2 of asking people for a week

[fleet jungle]

I was gonna encourage you to dive into low level programming but on second thought

[fleet jungle]

Did you say it's on some small board? Like raspberry size?

[reef ingot]

Ok it's with 3 micro controller a esp32 then a rasberry pi pico and a ardvino nano

[reef ingot]

It's a bit bigger than a rasberry pi 4

[fleet jungle]

That's cool

Go ahead and share the pic

[haughty basin]

https://x.com/alpuhap/status/2018014969724379387?s=46&t=Kdlv6lZSSLbxxlifio9rlw it was always Linux, isn’t it guys?

Alpuha Pushistovna (@AlpuhaP)

@DearS_o_n So plan B is Linux, right?

X · Feb 1, 2026, 5:33 PM

[hard raptor]

Idk what i was doing here, but ig it's good?

[fiery anchor]

If it were a genre, i'd call it haunted summer pop

[worldly plank]

Make sure you have spare sanity lying around

When it segfaults, blame the pointers

[reef ingot]

I don't have any left💀

[true hemlock]

all.

3rd point causes 4th. we're stuck with the text predictor language models. by extension 1 and 2 applies because the current AI models are scalable, but logarithmically in performance scale. we're just stuck with something not even able to have thoughts and merely emulating everything accordingly to training data and at the same time really power and data hungry

i remembered when all these "AI" stuff felt cool but now its just the same publications all over because the topology are always the same

"AI race" sounded so stupid and cringe. felt like the words spun around by the tech illiterate

there's nothing significant about it. its not the "future" or some shit

[tacit plover]

I know this is programming but do people know excel here

Nothing complicated, just matrix functions

[real sierra]

hey can someone post the "I want to make my own neuro sama" faq

it's not pinned and that seems like a crime

[maiden geyser]

is it related to the excel message or

[fiery anchor]

https://vedal.ai/advice/

this one?

[real sierra]

nono

[frozen hollow]

2023 is an AI millennium

[real sierra]

we have a chart here somewhere

[rough bloom]

https://github.com/igglyn/NeuroProgrammingFAQ

[real sierra]

perfect

[rough bloom]

[fiery anchor]

Cunninghams's Law in practice.

"the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer."

[faint sandal]

can i submit a PR

[rough bloom]

Iggly made it so I can't really tell you
but ye I think so

there's been accepted PRs in the past

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/miniapeur/status/2017952435063378062

Mathieu (@miniapeur)

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FxTwitter · Feb 1, 2026, 1:25 PM

it's me NAND the dog

[glad path]

om

[hollow matrix]

[tacit plover]

Turns out I just had to ctrl+shift+enter instead of just enter

[sick owl]

I found a solution to the screw holes being too small

I force in the screw the wrong way around by tilting it and levering it in, then pull it up scraping the sides of the shaft as it goes

Repeat for half an hour per hole and eventually they're all loose enough for me to screw it in

[amber fractal]

I do accept PRs on all of my projects

For FAQ in partucular I honestly would love to have the PRs

[warped narwhal]

I'll be sending you 1000 AI slop PRs

[amber fractal]

This is more like no one ever wants to rather than happenstance

[opaque wharf]

#programming message

This event crystalize that iggly is the official bookkeeper of the #programming chart

[amber fractal]

I'm surprised it took so long considering how long the repo has been up for

[opaque wharf]

Now please add other custom like letterswap, using bime, and generally doing cursed stuff

[quick condor]

Finally got the local model running for opencode

[amber fractal]

[amber fractal]

I'd need to actually expand the chart outside of neuro FAQ first

[wary mauve]

very dependent on what kind of setup a user wants to go for, the amount of tts's ive gone through

ended up being a copy cat for neuro (azure) cus elevenlabs was too expensive

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/m29Aut2TMJ4IqGSjH?invite=cr-MSxMNm4sNTgyOTU4MjA

this is penance of my creation

[amber fractal]

Probing the chat for opinions, I'm currently dealing with NN and I'm wondering if I should even spare the energy to think about allowing the emit side to ever expand beyond 64 bits.
The current setup has 64 bits into about 1000 cases or so that are independently matched. The match can scale to 512 bits easily and has a functional limit of 2048 bits.
The question is would I need a 1000 cases ever within a single "layer" (as best conversion)

might be slow on questions as doing stuff

[reef ingot]

I like kids

Food

[fiery anchor]

no clue about the specifics of NN, but in general i'd compare gain vs loss. If you had to throw everything away and restart from scratch, would it be a loss, compared to what you saved by not doing it before.

[reef ingot]

Nha not worth it 512 on a single layer, 64is good enough

[amber fractal]

I already had to restart for uncapping the match side from 64 bits and switching from bitshift into iterating to combo of 2 bits, which has more space for less tradeoff then 1 bit mapping, that's why it is 1000+ instead of only 64 bits

For some specifics, NN ANDs serialized input with a match array, then maps to the emit side where it is OR reduced.

It is not transformers and floats don't exist here

[amber fractal]

not for this arch no, 512 would be a welcome addition (I'm only limited by AVX here, this boi is never going on GPU. Not heavy enough to benefit.)

[unkempt citrus]

Also this one

[covert bane]

https://github.com/cassitly/neuro-integration-sdk/blob/main/neuro.go could someone help me with figuring out why my SDK's connect function hangs? (Issue #5)

[covert bane]

I need to save this- xd

[covert bane]

Nvm- after some time, Claude found the issue (I gave up manually trying to diagnose it)

[amber fractal]

One of my favorite flow charts

So badly want to merge this in with the FAQ but never have time

[quick condor]

Devstral running locally is nice... No need to have claude or codex do documentation

[silent cloak]

missed one https://github.com/app-generator/flask-black-dashboard

here is vedal's control panel

he just uses a template for bootstrap

puts it behind cloudflare zero trust

[sturdy wing]

@azure gale #neurotic-neurons message
for the most part it's a good thing, but for stuff like i mentioned it just gets in the way without providing any real safety

in this context having to work around "unsafe" code blocks doesn't really make my code safer
not to mention it makes a lot of simple things really bloated

i'd rather work in C and then uhh forgot word but import into rust or whatever

[azure gale]

ffi u mean

but yeaah that is valid and all

it is just the rust idea is to do clean abstractions so that you don't deal with unsafe blocks at all in your main actual code. and you get almost no perf penalty.

[sturdy wing]

abstraction is the devil

fr tho ye, i get it
right tool for the job and i'm sayin' rust ain' it for this job even though it technically can do it

[azure gale]

oh yeah there are definitely many areas where rust isn't appropriate at all lol. i was just being facetious there intentionally

also

[azure gale]

https://xkcd.com/378/

why am i getting no embeds?

[sturdy wing]

don't have embed perms, gotta yap more before you unlock em

[azure gale]

o. thank you for letting me know!

[ivory plinth]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1326303411041206303

[rigid snow]

this sucks so badly

corpa slop design my favorite

[azure gale]

@unkempt citrus excusez moi

[unkempt citrus]

underpaid scientist ui is my favourite ui

[azure gale]

critically disappearing due to ai mhm

[rigid snow]

good

[quick condor]

Rust is garbage you can't change my mind. Even Lua is better

[rigid snow]

that's crazy

[young plover]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

[quick condor]

On an unrelated note: why hasn't anyone made a neuro to molt bot translation (I 100% don't think she should have direct access but the idea is funny

[amber fractal]

I was going to come in here and say that I am finally making progress on porting NN, but that is a take

[quick condor]

I'm not saying Lua is good btw

[rigid snow]

ye seems like porting nn to programming is happening

with all the ragebait

[azure lynx]

yay! I unbroke my code!
(I accidentally forgot to say "use CUDA" 😊)

that triggered other issues with timeouts

and oddly enough made it super slow

[amber fractal]

I agree

[quick condor]

Could be worse, last night I was dealing with problems with the 3 separate nightly builds I had to use for quantization

[azure lynx]

usually when you think you've found a bug in a library, you're just misreading the docs.
but when you're living on the bleeding edge, it means you can't be sure who to blame.

[amber fractal]

blame the auto docs generation

[azure gale]

what are you guys using local llms for?

[amber fractal]

Not using any here, I'm just programming neural nets for the love of the game (and I've already put 4-5 months into it)

[quick condor]

I have to use vllm, transformers, and GPTQModel nightly plus mistral common 1.9

[azure gale]

but why

[azure gale]

ooh what are you making

[quick condor]

Devstral 2 was released less than a month ago. Nothing out of the box truly supports it

[amber fractal]

Nothing useful until tested, I have an idea for how a model should work so I'm trying it out!

[azure gale]

I have heard good things about GLM 4.7 Flash 30B A3B. I don't have a usecase for local llms though.

[silent cloak]

Its what he uses

[quick condor]

I wouldn't use Devstral as a primary but it's good at adversarial reviews of others. It's just another tool (especially for tasks that are high in token cost

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kon-anime-anime-girl-willcore-gif-24034970

Goodmorning

[quick condor]

Good night

[olive sable]

No

Oh you mean you're going to bed

Ok

Goodnight

[glass jetty]

morning

[olive sable]

[glass jetty]

such an inefficient way
most efficient way is water spray, psheeck 1-2 times and job done

[olive sable]

That way you make the sheets wet

[azure lynx]

after fixing that bug and committing the working code I am almost at the point where I can open up Unreal Engine documentation and see if there is a protocol for this already.

[faint sandal]

well u see i'm trying to login

"you must login"
attempts to login
"you must not be logged in"

???

[fleet jungle]

now that's an unfortunate misunderstanding of English

[faint sandal]

no i think it's just a bug

frontend thinks i'm not logged in

backend thinks i'm logged in

[opaque sigil]

This reminds me of when deepl would refuse to let you use their translator on their website if you also use an api key from the same account

[fleet jungle]

I like that "vibe code" branch

[fleet jungle]

weird

Oh is the backend restricting you from accessing the login process php?

[faint sandal]

[fleet jungle]

well it kind of sounds like a front-end error-state, so I'd say just reload with cache emptied

[glass jetty]

cookies too for sure

[stiff mica]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 6 cookies! | I've received 276152 cookies total!

[frosty summit]

good morning

I want to make a translation for Abandoned Pub

already translated everything in my head

but I have no idea how to write it as a program\mod\script

please can anyone help?

or should I better adress them directly

[glass jetty]

if game was created with possible translations in mind, than it should have a tool for it

most game engines do, at first look at the game, what engine it use, second - ask gpt how to make translation for it, read output and go research what actual ppl write about translation, on forums or in game engine docs

[glass jetty]

you should anyway, if you want this translation to be 'by default' in the game

[frosty summit]

did first two steps. godot icon and one single .exe, gpt says there's not many of options

[frosty summit]

just did it. one of programmers also russian lol : D

[glass jetty]

⁨:D⁩

[unkempt citrus]

It's a bit difficult to create a translation without access to the source code

Especially if it's basically just an exe

[glass jetty]

what? no, for translation you need just tool to markup
tho you may have issues with out of bounds text

[frosty summit]

I thinks thats the case

[glass jetty]

following this
https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/i18n/index.html
https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/classes/class_translationserver.html#class-translationserver
godot can do it during runtime

idk how to add translation tho

[faint sandal]

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/hijacked-incident-info-update/

[glass jetty]

civ(6) engine, for example, use sqlite (i guess) table, and amount of langs are fixed (almost every anyway), but all of them can be changed by simple sql queries

i mean, at this point,probably , you'd contact developers

[rough bloom]

compromised VPS host

[glass jetty]

i may be affected btw

[rough bloom]

from June to December

[glass jetty]

at least my main system is linux

but if they steal some critical cookies it would be really bad

[stiff mica]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 7 cookies! | I've received 276154 cookies total!

[true hemlock]

some undergraduate smartass in my uni decided to build a website for programming related courses and locked exercises behind paywall

apparently the website is vibe coded. paywall is easily bypassed, and bro leaked some of his API keys and tokens in some of the websocket/network related config

started picking up hobbies of hunting for such websites and exploit it and most of the time its vibe coded sites

[floral wraith]

I've noticed something strange. I set up an AI and everything seems normal, but I tried limiting its internet usage—specifically, how many tokens it's allowed to use. For some reason, the messages are now much longer. Does anyone have any idea why this might be happening?

[true hemlock]

what

[jagged turtle]

starboard worthy

[true hemlock]

pin worthy

[jagged turtle]

classic

[fleet jungle]

epic

Vibecoding Janitor gonna become a real role

[amber fractal]

Hello programmers, I want to make an AI like Neuro and I have no clue how to program. My friend ChatGPT gives me a lot of advice on what to do but I thought I should ask other people as well. I want to replicate how Neuro is able to interact with the chat, playing games, and being able to move around in VR. Because you guys have lots of experience in making AI that has never been released into the public, I think you'd be the right person to allow the pleasure of working on my AI model that will be for my own usage. I'll be grateful forever to you if you could spend your time to create something new for me to make money off of because it will be streaming and I'll be asking someone else to handle expressions for when it is not in VR and just playing games or talking with chat. I tried to have my friend ChatGPT develop the AI for me, and I do think I can ask it to help you with any problems you might have while programming my new AI that you'll have no further involvement or credit for but will be on call for when it breaks down and I want new features out of it because my friend ChatGPT can't figure it out and has broken several other things trying to fix it and I can't remember what it originally was so that is also on the tasklist.
Thank you for reading!

[jagged turtle]

there should be a collective response to this

[amber fractal]

There really should be, I'm surprised I managed to yap long enough to become incoherent while writing it

[nocturne olive]

You don't have a set stop token and the default max token limit is lower than your new token limit?

[fleet jungle]

oh right vibe coders typically do it for free

Vibecoding jannies will be unpaid 😔

[amber fractal]

Anyone need any red flags? I seem to have too many of them and I'm trying to declutter a bit

[silent cloak]

Vibecoding

[floral wraith]

No I dont have a max token Limit only for web use

[nocturne olive]

As in a token limit for function calling? That seems like not what you want considering if it runs out of tokens before it completes the request it will fail to parse

It's possible the message length is due to the model getting errors and then figuring out what the errors mean

[true hemlock]

don't forget the
"i also want the ai to be the first ever AGI with meta transformers that attends the attention... of the attention and pair it with triple step recurring MoE with emotional tensor field of hilbert space of feelings to simulate emotion and 2T parameter with realistic voice and real time vision with complex cnn (literally √-1 defined) and once the agi is done it will feel nostalgia of the training data and i will put it in my github"

[unkempt citrus]

Also "I want it to have a soul"

[amber fractal]

Now that's the extended unhinged cut

for if the individual has any prior knowledge

[true hemlock]

if i got drunk enough tonight i'd literally write a random bs go paper for it

[floral wraith]

That was what i thought but the Opposit Happens i get longer and better answers

[true hemlock]

name it "consciousness is just poorly conditioned eigenvalue problem; the first AGI architecture ever"

watch those AGI hype yt channels go crazy about it

"note: peer review pending (HATERS BLOCKED)"

okay im just drunk rn

[amber fractal]

I don't need the drink, I just need the slow insanity buildup from projects failing to work properly

[nocturne olive]

Hm, weird

[amber fractal]

I'd be willing to second draft such a thing, though LLMs do a good job at doing such from prior experiences here

[true hemlock]

nah i wanna have fun

no llm

[amber fractal]

Do it for the love of the game

[true hemlock]

though it IS funnier if its vibe written

but gonna be low quality slop because

that just feel like you could just ask chatgpt "write me a poorly written paper about AGI"

[amber fractal]

You can do that without the LLM, just limit your own context by only seeing like 4 lines at a time

The funniest ones are from ones that have little context after all

and of course just derail in the middle

before the user prompt that got added by mistake makes it continue generating the paper

feel free to steal some or all of those ideas

[nocturne olive]

What be the silliness here today?

[true hemlock]

human written slop

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[amber fractal]

[true hemlock]

(funny trust)

also release a python code that is just literally

import agi
import consciousness
import sentience
# THESE VERY ADVANCED LIBS ARE LOCKED BEHIND PAYWALL PLS PAY BTC <insert btc wallet here> #TODO: dont forget to replace placeholder

AGI_MODEL = agi.model
AGI_MODEL.define(2000000000000)
AGI_MODEL.apply(consciousness.aware)
AGI_MODEL.unlock(sentience)
AGI_MODEL.run() #WARNING IT WILL PROBABLY HACK YOUR PC AND ESCAPE TO THE INTERNET

[amber fractal]

forgets to include the extra unlock payment

[true hemlock]

maybe add

print("AGI model: hello, i am an AGI. i will now hack your pc and escape tp the internet") # IGNORE THIS THIS IS TOTALLY UNRELATED JUST FOCUS ON THE CONSOLE

[nocturne olive]

Nah that'd be library code

[jagged turtle]

there was a link dropped in here a while ago (by a non-programmer) that was literally like this bro

[true hemlock]

i gotta read that shit while drunk rn

give

[jagged turtle]

idr it was a while ago

[jagged turtle]

you could probably search it up and find it, but it's a crypto scam that also claims to "explore breakthroughs in AI model safety"

(all it did was prompt the model differently)

[true hemlock]

blyat

is it just adding "laws of robotics" in the prompt

[jagged turtle]

not really

read from #programming message though be aware that their messages were nuked

[rough bloom]

the Gabriel thing?

[jagged turtle]

so you'll need to fill in the blanks

[jagged turtle]

yup!

[covert bane]

holy, KTrain is the config file really that large for you to have been editing it for over an hour now?

[jagged turtle]

yea I'm malding over it

(I'm not actually idk why it says that)

[true hemlock]

oh crimon killed bro

imma set up my home theater incase we got another one of those because those are funny af to read

[amber fractal]

Need to have a client always downloading messages in case they get nuked

needed for full experince

[jagged turtle]

om

amazing

somewhat actually useful update to windows? (not really lmfao)

[amber fractal]

That is also on win10

[jagged turtle]

hence why I said windows in general

[amber fractal]

claims it can run with 8-10gb RAM tho

[jagged turtle]

anyways, I have a spare win11 pro key so I'm waiting for that to work real quick

[fast pagoda]

i was malding after about 30 seconds of that shit

[jagged turtle]

what the fuck github

[fast pagoda]

dude just kept screeching RUN THE SCRIPTS and saying that not doing so meant nobody could claim it wasnt real, it was either someone with 70 iq thinking if they just reference the bible a lot in a system prompt it would somehow improve every model by 90000% OR a really shitty attempt to pretend something like that would actually do anything useful

like nah i am not gonna run your malware bro give up please, was extra epic when the first one got banned and another account pops up all offended that his "friend" had been banned (probably still the same guy)\

[jagged turtle]

it's definitely the same guy

[jagged turtle]

no I think they just fell for it and am just in sunk cost fallacy

[fast pagoda]

funny that he thought here of all places would be where they could find people dumb enough to run cryptobro shit invoking religious imagery and claiming impossible results

if it was an innocent person i dont see why they wouldnt give up the second they ran it and nothing useful happened

[jagged turtle]

well if it was an innocent person, they weren't a programmer so

they probably saw some bullshit and believed it

either way they lost benefit of the doubt the second they started screaming to run it

[glass jetty]

good hobby

[glass jetty]

scream case here is relatable

[silent island]

dawggg im cooked

for sum reason, 60 hz now feels choppy to me 😭😭😭

[glass jetty]

spoiled child
i have <20 fps and its totally fine

[glass jetty]

use vsync plz

[glass jetty]

12gb of memory

[silent island]

I'm referring to for sum reason, 60 hz on desktop feels choppy, but not in game

[glass jetty]

microtroll

[nocturne olive]

Very normal amount now with DDR5

[glass jetty]

imagine some one in 2026 using 8+4 or 4+4 +4

[nocturne olive]

12GB DDR5 sticks are a real thing

[glass jetty]

WHAT? some one did 12gb... ok

hear it for a first time

[nocturne olive]

12GB is a perfectly standardized DDR5 stick size

[glass jetty]

i live in 2018

ddr4 is most modern i can find anywhere

[nocturne olive]

For a long time 192GB was the software-max for DDR5 with 4x48GB sticks until BIOSes unlocked the size and 64GB sticks became a thing

[silent island]

still, 16 gigs is the bare minimum

[nocturne olive]

Yeah if you aren't running on 16GB with Windows 11 just don't run Windows 11 and go install Linux

[glass jetty]

for windows||, just use linux||

i still dont have wine on current system

[nocturne olive]

But either way there's nothing weird about 12GB with DDR5 other than it not being a power of 2

12GB, 24GB and 48GB DDR5 sticks are all standard

[glass jetty]

i wanna play stalker, idk how possible it is to run stalker on integrated graphic, but i will try, at least
prob will be 2 fps even if i run it xDD

[nocturne olive]

Subnautica runs 40 FPS on integrated graphics, surely it'll be fine

[glass jetty]

pentium gold 7505, i used only for youtube tho.. i really not know how powerful it is

[ivory plinth]

pentium

[true hemlock]

my pentium runs Minecraft at 2 fps

[amber fractal]

Seems about correct for unmodded

modded is maybe 10 fps

[true hemlock]

optimizer mods gave it 14 fps max

6 chunk render

[glass jetty]

scary
what is this cache in var
⁨```
charaverk | / ~$ du -h --max-depth=1 2> /dev/null | grep G
6.0G ./usr
1.9G ./backup
14G ./home
11G ./var
33G .

[amber fractal]

lets goooooooo

I feel bad for having a good laptop to do minecraft tests on, but also runs at 300MBs so I can launch just a few clients

[true hemlock]

my current laptop is pretty decent

core ultra 5 125H with igpu

surprisingly runs Minecraft pretty well even with shaders at playable fps

by playable, 60ish is possible

i didn't get a laptop with nvidia GPU for the reason that i prefer battery life on it

[amber fractal]

I got 720p60 for shaders here, 40 at the 1440p native

[glass jetty]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/208667/intel-pentium-gold-7505-processor-4m-cache-up-to-3-50-ghz-with-ipu/specifications.html
2020 cpu, if some one know about difference in generations here...

[true hemlock]

if i wanted a beefy fucker, i have my "laptop"

[amber fractal]

My beefy laptop is sentenced to the corner

[nocturne olive]

Now make a real desktop portable that works in the middle of a city on the go with no external power input

[amber fractal]

maybe once I want to do LLM again, but also I want that boi light af so hopefully uneeded

[glass jetty]

modpack that i created cant be run on this cpu just by cpu itself, so i either have to remove 1/2 of mods, or just forget about minecraft
actually, i can just install legacy launcher and download mine, should be fast, let me do it and run plain 1.12.2

⁨bash: flatpak: command not found⁩

[ivory plinth]

...

[opaque wharf]

The repo is active 9 month ago with significant commit

[amber fractal]

In terms of minecraft, I did a funny by uploading my efforts to modrinth (granted due to adding nothing it gets bashed due to "you pack is uninspired and doesn't do anything")

classic

they say link still works tho

[true hemlock]

already on it, i just need a board, dc to dc regulator and a monitor

13950HX, 2x32gb ddr4-3600, RTX 5060 sff

[amber fractal]

https://modrinth.com/project/KwIW08As Surely this link works and they wouldn't lie to me

[true hemlock]

still considering the nvme i might wanna use my 2tb instead

also i love how the 5060 sff is an OC model

[amber fractal]

OC with what headroom?

[true hemlock]

got the creature for $250 tho

[true hemlock]

surprisingly it has plenty of headroom

though i'd have to ask the frog again about the results

man i miss her in here

[amber fractal]

[true hemlock]

also i def want liquid metal on that cpu

because its direct die

and direct die is always ass with thermal paste

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

wireless

tfw rclone is 4x faster than thunar at copying

between drives

never fails

[ornate bane]

what happened? mods kicked her out?

[opaque wharf]

Software gore

[glass jetty]

diff between minimal system, and system without big unused programs
⁨⁨```charaverk | / ~$ du -h --max-depth=1 2> /dev/null
6.0G ./usr
8.0K ./opt
1.9G ./backup
5.7G ./home //// 4gb of music
211M ./boot
8.3M ./etc
2.2G ./var
16G .
charaverk | / ~$ du -h --max-depth=1 2> /dev/null /backup/ | grep G
1.9G /backup/minimalsystem

was scared of errors in Sc so did a little research, and than just deleted cache filed manually xD

[tender river]

basically

[true hemlock]

and she's pretty upset that none of the mods tried to talk it out to her iirc

[glass jetty]

what happened btw?

Just mods abuse?

[jagged turtle]

what happened

[true hemlock]

[amber fractal]

[glass jetty]

seems legit, idk why after hibernation it thought firmware time was 12s

idk why it was 12s BTW, finally rebooted

[true hemlock]

might need that kind of really flexible pcie riser for 4th gpu

shit is so unhinged istg

[amber fractal]

I can see it

[true hemlock]

why is this thing even exist

[amber fractal]

but I am me at the same time

[true hemlock]

and how is it still reliable

-# more reliable than whatever the fuck hascrack's abomination is

[amber fractal]

Not giving the standard enough credit

If I weren't fighting power cables I'd have something similarly cursed

[true hemlock]

the build quality is questionable
reliability is philosophical

[amber fractal]

I'm in the "should work on paper but jank AF" stage

[true hemlock]

still more reliable than hascrack's abomination

[amber fractal]

It's server parts, surely it functions correctly

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

If I built a PC out of the most jank tech imaginable I'd still have a better build than that

[true hemlock]

bro got an e waste twice slower than the disgraceful 3050 for premium™ price and called it enterprise habits

and threw scalability outta the window

also jank drives

[amber fractal]

a 3050 would be more scalable than that thing

not even calling it a creature, it should be dead

[true hemlock]

unironically true

30 series still has P2P

[glass jetty]

wow, kde cant be started under root by principle

[olive sable]

2 of my packages for the volumetric display have arrived

[amber fractal]

wayland :classic:

[amber fractal]

PostPunt is a quite literal translation of some services here

[olive sable]

Postpunt is the placde where you pick up parcels

[amber fractal]

In our case it is at the front door, but the people will on occasion yeet them to their desination

what is a fragile package

[olive sable]

If you're not home they just bring it to the closest postpunt

[amber fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-gif-8906255

[olive sable]

Or you can set it so they dont even bother going to your house and imidietly go to the postpunt

Which is a groccery store most of the time

[amber fractal]

Good to know

[olive sable]

I get the joke, i chose to ignore it since our definitions of postpunt are different

[amber fractal]

I think ours are at like 7-11 or and those stores as well. Though some are owned by Amazon

[glass jetty]

guys, just look at this, and it is pentium

integrated gpu

why amd dont do low power cpu

anyway, it perform much better than i expected

300 FPS

15w cpu

with integrated gpu

temperature is ok i guess
gonna limit fps and install mods for optimization, + remove some cpu load mods from modpak, and its fine
guess 60% avg load with 60 fps is reachable, even 30 fps is fine tho...

[amber fractal]

1.12.2 is a wonderful experince to run fast

I do miss not having the modern stuff tho. Both in base game and modded.

[glass jetty]

thaumcraft and open computers are both only up to 1.12.2

and they are main mods, they are a reason why i play minecraft at all

https://charaverk.online/git/CharaVerKys/minecraft

[amber fractal]

non public

[glass jetty]

public, diff name

[amber fractal]

makes sense

[glass jetty]

there config to be fixed, to play without knowladge about how to survive here
for daylight mobs - delay spawn time x4 or even x6 / or disable completely
also for BWM bed spawnpoint, maybe

everything else is fine tho

[olive sable]

I lied, one of those packages was not for the display

[amber fractal]

I guess I've kinda outgrown the funni block game now that I'm thinking about it. I just have fun with it as an computer experiment rather than a game.

[glass jetty]

<@&574931772781887488>

[amber fractal]

Not another scam

[stone flint]

@fair cipher

[rare bridge]

moderator

[glass jetty]

kind of, thaumcraft with proper mods around it is just too good, and opencomputers - basically funny lua stuff

[cosmic sphinx]

server technician

[amber fractal]

At this point, the only packs I'd maybe consider is something like gregtech.

Something that gets me to think

[glass jetty]

anyway, i not know how to setup proton on my own, stalker (community) unavailable on steam
can some one give me proper guide? (if any)

[opaque wharf]

Nice dog

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

wayland requires the compositor to be a regular user session under your logged in session

both gnome and kde do not let you run them under a root session in wayland

[glass jetty]

ok i get it, it is reasonable, i just never encountered it

[fast pagoda]

x letting the de running in root was always a bad plan but it made perm stuff easier so it kept being done

[glass jetty]

-# remember to starting up ubuntu x11 after messing up with system under root ⁨⁨:D⁩⁩

[opaque wharf]

Same palette as my cat

[olive sable]

In terms of actual components, pretty much all the electronics arrived

[fast pagoda]

i reinstalled arch over the last day and i already managed to somehow unlink display-manager.service which made hyprland unable to start

that one was easy enough though to fix

[fast pagoda]

is this the cursed helix setup

[fast pagoda]

you stole my grandma's tablecloth

[opaque wharf]

Is that a PD trigger? You're going to power everything using USBPD?

[nocturne olive]

Why is there so many connectors?

[opaque wharf]

That tablecloth has been in the family before I was born

[nocturne olive]

Plug thingies

[olive sable]

Cuz im not using bluetooth electricity

[nocturne olive]

Do you really need like 10 barrel jacks?

[olive sable]

Oh

Those were just cheaper in a pack of 10

[nocturne olive]

Oh I see

[fast pagoda]

it's too powerful

[olive sable]

yes

[olive sable]

yes

[opaque wharf]

Let me know how it goes. I have never tried those things for a motor (inductive) load

[olive sable]

im using a separate step-down converter for it

so im hoping its fine

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, what I mean is the sudden spike of current draws from inductive load. I have not tried that so let me know the result. For example, even in 48V going from 1-3A repeatedly may strain some IC (note the word may). So if everything goes smoothly I would also like to use my USB PD capable PSU for more project

[olive sable]

the motor is like 3A, and the converter does 5A

so im hoping its fine

fucking numlock

[rigid snow]

ok but this is like wrong almost

well, if you compare to modern versions in context of modded

there are so many optimization mods for modern versions
you can run 300 mod modpacks nowadays with 3gb allocated, good luck doing the same thing on 1.12

optifine is shit too as it turns out

[amber fractal]

optifine being garbage was a known fact for a long time. Only now people are finding out about stolen code.

[rigid snow]

i was being sarcastic here

[olive sable]

i feel like optifine was like the best at the time, but it shouldnt have been the defacto for like 8 years

[amber fractal]

OSS minecraft mods weren't really in fashion for a long time. So it was pretty hard for a better effort to exist.

[opaque wharf]

This. Lot's of mods used to be "trust me bro"

And that is quite the norm of every game too

[fast pagoda]

what do you mean low power

[opaque wharf]

But I think the fact that child who grow up with minecraft can now code is having an effect. I can feel it

[olive sable]

hi

i feel personally attacked by this message

[amber fractal]

Pretty much your entire rendering stack on fabric is OSS, even some competing approaches for extending such

[rigid snow]

currently reading through cc:tweaked code for something and it's in crazy licensing hell because computercraft and subsequently it used to use a contagious/viral license
so here's one from that era that is kinda oss?

the license is a fork of another bespoke license

it's a mess lmao

[fast pagoda]

simply steal all code and then only distribute precompiled and obfuscated

[amber fractal]

I'm killing any distant horizons enjoyers, the approach sucks and is only relevant because the competition is stuck on fabric.

[rigid snow]

why did devs decide that mixins for everything is a nicer way to mod

am massive abstraction enjoyer

[amber fractal]

abstraction is good until mods start fighting over internal state

[fast pagoda]

tfw mods gain schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder

[rigid snow]

well clearly mods fighting over stuff is historically more of an issue on loaders that aren't big on abstractions

if you know what i mean

[amber fractal]

That is just trying to do multithreading on the minecraft codebase

[opaque wharf]

Why don't the dev just open source their game. Problem solved

[rigid snow]

they kinda did

[fast pagoda]

the only minecraft mod needed is whatever you need to get Skywars working

[amber fractal]

Maybe also hypixel skyblock

Closest thing to modded outside of a certian fabric mod

[jagged turtle]

minecraft oss

[amber fractal]

attempt #idk of doing it is two fold, enitity groups and dimension based threading.

outside of Flora which is a cyptid

that is a spigot fork eventually so who cares

[fast pagoda]

i miss classic servers with giant flat areas and hacky combat bullshit from hey0

(precursor to bukkit)

i think bukkit is dead now too

[amber fractal]

spigot is also pretty much dead, I wouldn't be supised if the hyper large owners had internal forks.

[uneven pulsar]

aren't bukkit plugins compatible with paper

[fast pagoda]

no idea what paper is

[uneven pulsar]

a server jar

[amber fractal]

the boi after spigot

which is after bukkit

[opaque wharf]

Minecraft server

[rigid snow]

forkception

[amber fractal]

we love forkception

[fast pagoda]

i barely know what spigot is

[rigid snow]

then there's purpur after paper

[amber fractal]

Velocity is in there somewhere

[opaque wharf]

If you know ragnarok online, it's like rAthena and Hercules

[rigid snow]

velocity to paper is what bungeecord is to spigot

it's a proxy

[amber fractal]

I guess I'm thinking of something else

swear there are some off of purpur

[fast pagoda]

i prefer splorgle mod with bungo & fartcraft

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

damn. 2 different sources give different pinouts for this motor

[amber fractal]

lets go gambling

[olive sable]

surely red will be + and (white???) will be -

[fast pagoda]

hook it up with one at randdom and break the dial off at 11

[olive sable]

the black is ground for the encoder supposedly

[opaque wharf]

Lemme guess, it's one of those motor with an encoder and gearbox?

What is the code?

[rigid snow]

you can watch it on poob

[olive sable]

GA25-370

here they say red is +, which makes sense

but here red is -

which is fucked up if true

[fast pagoda]

doesnt it say switching just changes direction

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

seems straightforward to me?
encoder power is completely separate from motor power, so it should be simple

[fast pagoda]

yea you can do red or white either and it just reverses it

[olive sable]

ill jus tput red on + and if i need to change the direction i can do it software

unless i cant

[rough bloom]

encoder power is from your 5V power supply, motor power is attached to your motor driver (which handles the switching)

[opaque wharf]

Look at the order not color

[rough bloom]

you can, your motor driver is bidirectional

[amber fractal]

Thank you github page for existing https://github.com/saboooor/fork-graph

[olive sable]

i have 2 different 12V5A step-down converters. i bought a 12V5A and a 5V5A

lemme check

[obsidian mantle]

They like to put + and - on different sides because then if you have a connector it will not get powered until all pins are connected

I guess white is - red is +

[opaque wharf]

Your driver is the red colored one

With a heatsink

[olive sable]

i know what the driver is

shuni mentioned i needed to put the encoder on 5V

and now i see none of these do 5V

[obsidian mantle]

Because you can insert the connector from some angle

[opaque wharf]

The opi have 5v

[obsidian mantle]

Depends on connector though

[opaque wharf]

Enough for encoder

[olive sable]

ye but i need to power the pi too

[rough bloom]

ye, just put it on the same power rail as the Pi

encoder needs basically no power

can disregard

[opaque wharf]

Isn't that powered through usb c?

[fast pagoda]

hook it up to a car stereo class D 2000w monoblock

[olive sable]

ok ye, but i cant use power fromt he pi without the pi receiving power

[opaque wharf]

Wdym?

[obsidian mantle]

Give it the power then

[olive sable]

im plugging the pi into the same usb port thats powering the rest of it

[opaque wharf]

Yes and that's fine

[olive sable]

im not using 2 different power inputs

[rough bloom]

attach switch

[obsidian mantle]

Is pi also 12v

[olive sable]

mo, 5V

[opaque wharf]

It has 5v on the gpio

[obsidian mantle]

Where are you getting 12 from then

[opaque wharf]

Even if the type C PD output a 12V, it will be regulated to 5V internally

[olive sable]

the lightcrafter and the motor will be doing 12V

i ordered 3 step-down converters

[obsidian mantle]

I guess you can use dc dc converter

[olive sable]

2 of those should be 12V, one should be 5V

all 3 are 12V

[obsidian mantle]

Mhm

How will usb handle it

[rough bloom]

the whole thing is supposed to use USB-PD with some source voltage from 24V to 48V
separately stepped down to 12V and 5V

[obsidian mantle]

Sudden increase of power draw

Will pi not get problems

[fast pagoda]

usb pd shoudl be able to handle a fukload of power

[obsidian mantle]

Nono i mean the sudden change

[rough bloom]

simply do not have a sudden increase of power draw

[obsidian mantle]

But you will suddenly start moving your motor

[amber fractal]

constant power

[fast pagoda]

hook it up to 800 deep cycle batteries underneath your floor

[rough bloom]

ye just don't do that

spin it up slowly

[obsidian mantle]

And if both motor and pi powered from same source

Ooh i see

[obsidian mantle]

[fast pagoda]

voltage shall not be impinged

[olive sable]

the motor should only do 3A at most in stalling. but the stepdown should handle 5A

[rough bloom]

unless I'm misunderstanding something about this volumetric display the motor pretty much just has to always spin at the same speed?
there shouldn't be any sudden changes in acceleration

[olive sable]

ye

just 15rps

900 rpm

[rough bloom]

ye then it's probably fine

[fast pagoda]

add regerative braking

[rough bloom]

hand crank to charge power bank

[fast pagoda]

flywheel hologram

[amber fractal]

using it to power a red LED

[olive sable]

these are all 12V

i needed one that does 5V

[rough bloom]

they shipped the wrong thing

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-majima-among-us-yakuza-gif-22218403

[olive sable]

only 1 of them is wrong tbf

[amber fractal]

you spin me right round baby right round like a display volume object

[fast pagoda]

get big resistor

ln2 cooling

[olive sable]

ye, the bottom one i ordered was 5V.
its a mistake on their side

[opaque wharf]

You know what makes a great resistor/slow blow fuse? Bolts

[amber fractal]

what is overheating, just watercool it

[fast pagoda]

that's what im sayin just get some ln2

keep that thang nice and chilly

waste heat to boil ur tea if you leave it off for a min

[olive sable]

my mobo has a ln2 setting

[fast pagoda]

sink all excess power to heat like a boss

[olive sable]

cooking that 5950x

🔥

[fast pagoda]

you dont need help to do that

speaking from experience

[olive sable]

my 5950x has never gone above 70C

[fast pagoda]

run it with a failing aio for a while

that's what i did

didnt work well'

[olive sable]

thats just being dum

[fast pagoda]

using an aio is being dum

in general

ln2 mode on mobo pretty much just stops mobo from cold bugging

otherwise booting at negative temps it may shit itself

-150 or lower theyll still bug anyways

unless it good one that gets to 196 and stays there without exploding for a while

[rough bloom]

I like my aio

other than that time it started disintegrating

but

[fast pagoda]

yeah i mean they're ok but they fail

and also it's fairly pointless to move the heat such a small distance

[olive sable]

from what ive heard

aio isnt worth it at all

[fast pagoda]

they arent

2x+ expensive

and most workloads youll never need it

fail deadly

more points of failure

[rough bloom]

it's nice to have, but you definitely don't need it

especially with how insanely cheap (good) air coolers have gotten

[fast pagoda]

generally they dont even perform better than a good air cooler

[olive sable]

if you spend as much as an aio, but spend it on an air cooler. you can get a noctua that will have less maintenance, and temps that will be fine

[fast pagoda]

you might get slightly lower and have a longer ramp up time for heat due to the liquid taking a longer time to saturate

[olive sable]

i feel like the main issue with aio is the whole water part

[fast pagoda]

that's why i said fail deadlyt

leak = rip

pump can fail AND fans can fail as well

[rough bloom]

AIOs don't really leak
obviously with air coolers you eliminate the risk entirely, but the chance of a leak is already very low

[olive sable]

a fan failing is a cheaper issue tho

[fast pagoda]

it's higher with custom water cooling but it's still there

[rough bloom]

ye custom water cooling is danger

[fast pagoda]

and yea replacing fans is much easier than having your pump go out

[olive sable]

i don't think leaks are that bad for aio, its mostly lack of water

if it runs dry you're also fucked

[fast pagoda]

they do a slow leak yeah

that's what happened with mine

it dried out slowly and then the pump died and cpu instantly went to 95 and throttled

aaaaaaaaand then when i took the pump out it ripped the cpu out the socket and broke pins :^)

[olive sable]

you can get a noctua nh-d15 for 50 bucks 2ndhand, and that cooler will outlast any aio

so thats my go-to

[fast pagoda]

you can lower peak temps by like

5-10 degrees depending on the coolers you're comparing if you get a good aio but you'll need one with at least a 360 mm rad

smaller ones are just useless

and this is the difference between like 55c at load vs 60c

for like a d15

might be a larger difference for intel's epic power efficiency w/ their parts hitting 300+ watts at full tilt

actually difference is less pronounced with higher watts

lower watts ~157:

[olive sable]

i guess for the really beefy cpus it makes snese

but for a 9950x3d or whatever, id argue it still isnt worth it

[fast pagoda]

well it seems like it's less of an issue with higher wattage

they kinda even out

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

intel xD

[olive sable]

looking at my aliexpress home page, its 80% electronics, 15% ads, and 5% anime figurines

[fast pagoda]

aliexpress would really like me to buy a fake 5090

[rough bloom]

NH-D15 G2
normal D15 vere

[olive sable]

they really want me to buy usb-c cables for me

and hatsune miku figurines i guess

[fast pagoda]

g2 is the only one they make rn

original is ancient

[olive sable]

i have and use the original

good cooler

[fast pagoda]

it's still fine

but im just saying why it's not on the chart

[rough bloom]

I thought they still made the original one

the G2 is expensive