programming

[azure lynx]

vision for an LLM makes them image-to-text means there is a text layer, which I explicitly said I was ignoring. becase they can just post using the non-visual part of their model.

the discussion was on non-LLM AIs

and if they were capable of feeling excluded, and if they really were being excluded.

[olive sable]

Adapt, adapt, adapt, adapt, overcome

[quick condor]

They don't tokenize/detokenize so not really text

[azure lynx]

those models are explicitly designed to produce language already, which was the feature i said was excluding. it's not interesting to ask if an LLM could interact with other LLMs on a forum. it's obvious they could.

[tawny nimbus]

i prolly shouldnt have joined this role thing ): i only know very little html and css

[azure lynx]

see the description beside the channel name? HTML and CSS counts as technical

[tawny nimbus]

oh really?

[quick condor]

Tbh I think molt/clawd is pure brainrot

[visual pawn]

everyone here has gaps in experience/knowledge; imposter syndrome is common among programmers

[visual pawn]

takes like 10 seconds to look up open-source LLMs in 2021

[young plover]

🤔 I didn't watch much Hiyori-era neuro but it was barely coherent, so plain GPT-2 API sounds plausible. Definitely not still based on the same model.

[visual pawn]

my guess is GPT-J, because GPT-2 was just a bit too incoherent for early Neuro imo

[amber fractal]

Not to mention the model can shift if you train it well enough. Using the distill process to move over to something else as long as you recover from any losses due to archeture transfer.

[rare bramble]

I mean was kind of coherent in sentence level, but could not carry meaning or coherence from sentence to sentence

kind of

there were some blocks of coherence

I still remember her talking about snegglings
https://youtu.be/QAYU4sp83l0?t=4259

basically for a span of ~10 mins she talks about sneggles and explains them and stuff, though It might be because chat prompting her instead of her remembering stuff across sentences

[kind fable]

HTML and CSS are not code tho
They're just markup and style
Altho now using modern features you can do complex things it's all quite simple actually unless overcomplicated

[amber fractal]

May one refer to the channel discription

[mossy fulcrum]

:3

[unkempt citrus]

this is less programming chat and more chat

[civic lily]

we're all down here

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, anything remotely tech related goes here usually

Tech as in technical, not technology

[opaque sigil]

[amber fractal]

[opaque sigil]

no

[burnt marsh]

i wish to unsee

[opaque wharf]

Everyone wishes the same thing

[obsidian mantle]

Okay i managed to escape from skyrim prison using only commands from tony and it even doenst look like complete garbage

This is going far better than i expected

The code does look like pile of shit though but if it works it works

Global variables traversing through saveloads need to be dealt with tomorrow

[true hemlock]

there are shit tons of open sourced llms in 2021

pretty sure i've already seen bunch of chatbots made during that time even in discord

[jagged turtle]

lmao what

[unkempt citrus]

Wasn't the 2019 version of neuro just an osu bot anyway?

It wasn't until 2023 that vedal added the chatting functionality

By which there were already way more LLMs available

[jagged turtle]

it was dec 19th 2022 that vedal debuted chatting functionality

neuro was a headless AI before then

[young plover]

He was working on the vtuber part in 2021

[unkempt citrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/

Subreddit Simulator with GPT2 was running in 2019 as well

and those are all fine tuned models

THere are some bangers in there

[zinc cobalt]

speaking of subreddit simulator, there's now moltbook.com - security risk though, built by agents and... they are not done yet

just AI things

they keep calling their operators "my human", and some are trying to make secure, private comms out of sight of the pesky humans

[hollow matrix]

Just found this

[young plover]

You can GPG sign your commits, but I've never worked on a project where anyone cared

The checkmark usually meant someone edited it through the web interface and didn't test it locally

[jagged turtle]

I remember this

[hollow matrix]

I had seen something about this on a youtube video and decided to check it out

[quick condor]

Devistral 2 is a pita to quant

[quick condor]

Need this

[fleet jungle]

hello

What did Vedal train Neuro on again?

[quick condor]

That's his secret

[visual pawn]

August 2021 was when the AIris video was dated, but that's still well after GPT-Neo, GPT-J, and etc.

[jagged turtle]

Even then it's likely he changed a little bit after but still

also how did you find this information

[visual pawn]

it's someone on the reddit that seems dedicated to proving that Vedal is in fact tony stark

[astral zinc]

I turned GPT OSS 20b to 25tps with 4060!

[visual pawn]

from neuro must be a custom model that predates any open-source LLM to Vedal truly was the first person to use an AI model to generate motion for a 3D model

[jagged turtle]

citation needed

[quick condor]

I hate this

[visual pawn]

https://www.reddit.com/user/Mechropolis

[jagged turtle]

oh this person

[visual pawn]

Neuro is surprisingly good at simple arithmetic when she isn't pretending to be dumb. She's the only AI I've seen do division without a digital calculator. This was back during the Hiyori days before Neuro even had access to a clock.
????

[jagged turtle]

hey chatgpt what's 196/14

the answer is ||14||

[visual pawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/comments/1owdblv/what_model_is_neuro_runned_on_or_she_got_a_custom/noq3fbt/

this hurts me that it's upvoted

[unkempt citrus]

Dunno I think that guy's on

The biggest issue is still the cost to build an LLM from scratch

thats just not seomthing easily avialale if youre not finetuning

[jagged turtle]

yeah those replies look like to the max

[visual pawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/comments/1nimquc/please_be_patient/

Neuro's AI is emulating a mind suspended within a void which can only discern reality by parsing concepts.

that's a convoluted way to say she's not an image model

[unkempt citrus]

But also, if the first vid is 2021, that doesn't mean its a finetuned or custom model at that point in time

[visual pawn]

yeah, it's pretty much right in the timeframe for someone starting something with the first really capable open source LLMs

[unkempt citrus]

At this point shes 100% finetuned, but early on, especially prototypes or proof of concepts could very much be just an off the shelf

proprietary and just done with prompting

[jagged turtle]

anyways side topic but I really want to see more coding dev streams again

and not just like, drawing coding

like code coding

[visual pawn]

alex + vedal + neuro pair programming

or uh, triplet programming

[unkempt citrus]

Is there anything to code?

Everything is like backend private shit now

[visual pawn]

game integrations?

[unkempt citrus]

I guess they could develop an integration

[visual pawn]

maybe finish among us

[jagged turtle]

sub count/prio messages queue ui or game integration yeah

[quick condor]

lmao

[glad path]

om

[glad path]

saving this to my memes folder because i can

[hollow matrix]

evilBased

[glad path]

https://tenor.com/view/lag-train-inabakumori-inaba-lagtrain-gif-19137644

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1316111614336040982.webp?size=40&animated=true

[hollow matrix]

Don't call me out like that

[glad path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1316111614336040982.webp?size=40&animated=true

[glad path]

whatever
go my hiyoriRotate

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1316111614336040982.webp?size=40&animated=true

[hollow matrix]

Wait, nvm it just doesn't show the name because it doesn't have the url argument

[glad path]

its literally just the gif ripped from the emoji upload

and resized

found the url myself

[hollow matrix]

Yeah, that's what I mean, because it wasn't done through fakenitro, it doesn't define the emoji name, so I guess it just uses FakeNitroEmoji as a placeholder

[glad path]

hm

interesting

it shows as an emoji for you?

what did you do to your client

[hollow matrix]

Certainly not mod it

[glad path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1463783015468634183/Screenshot_2026-01-21_at_10.31.02_pm.gif

[hollow matrix]

Anyway gtg

[glad path]

ggodbye

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1316113135911964785.webp?size=40&animated=true

[fleet jungle]

oh

nvm its just Tony

[amber fractal]

I don't want to make this work for higher than 64 bits

I'm going to have to and it is going to be quite the time

Anyone wondering about the output. Every variation of a uint with 2 bits on, shuffled so most the order is most likely not having the same bits active twice in a row

Insane that the math lines up to where bits+1 is the mostly correct solution to this

[young plover]

https://stackoverflow.com/a/8281965

I've used that before to permute a set of N bits

Probably doesn't help with your shuffling though

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-just-woke-up-anime-just-got-up-tired-gif-16935429

Goodmorning

[amber fractal]

It does help with the first part at least. That generates the thing I'm doing but in reverse. Beats the method I was doing before.

Only issue is that I don't have that builtin in python land. So that'll be saved for the C rewriting once all of the logic is done and prime time for optimizing.

[olive sable]

Any letterswap people? I want to get "Sam" back

[opaque wharf]

Nein

I won't allow it

[olive sable]

You dont decide

@jagged turtle could i trade cmd for sam?

[jagged turtle]

how did you construct cmd?

like with the squares and all

[glass jetty]

it is regular utf-8

[olive sable]

Just c, m, and d

Different font

Same letters

[jagged turtle]

ah

I mean sure why not

sam

@olive sable

[olive sable]

cmd

Thanks

[glass jetty]

ridiculously long 0x string
f09f94baf09f84b2f09f84bcf09f84b3f09f94ba

[glass jetty]

what? it should be utf, not font

[olive sable]

Idfk

I got it from a change font website

[glass jetty]

task for chatbot btw

[glass jetty]

it is utf...

[olive sable]

Cool i guess

[fleet jungle]

Slightly concerning the llm puts these two in the same sentence, made worse by that one being first mentioned

Am I jumping to a conclusion or is X really not ordering responses to tweets by chronological order?

nvm it makes no attempt to hide this

[mossy fulcrum]

the bourgeoisie is stealing from you so the line is thin as it is

[rigid snow]

sam is sam

noway

[olive sable]

I have just doubled the amount of triangle

[glass jetty]

live is hard

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

[hard raptor]

I'm making Aria Math Epic orchestral V2

a bit more inspired by Hytale rather than epic film scores

[amber fractal]

[uneven pulsar]

I love aria math

also, didn't know music stuff gets posted here

that's cool

[amber fractal]

It isn't that often but is allowed because music production is technical by mod ruling

[rigid snow]

museic product ion

[opaque wharf]

Cafe library but you cannot bring any tech inside

Now the question is, does writing pad considered tech?

[true hemlock]

that's so indonesian piled

[silent island]

sigh...

[jagged turtle]

nice

[opaque wharf]

I have to argue with the server that no, this writing pad can't be used for anything else but writing. It's like one of those child toys with magnets, but this one the resolution is higher

[true hemlock]

and they'll tell you in the face "just write in paper"

[opaque wharf]

Exactly. They don't understand that I bring this to reduce paper waste. And I bring my own shopping bag anywhere. Like bruh, the current city that I live in is bigger but somehow more backwater than the previous city I lived in

[true hemlock]

back in school they'd force us to copy the whole material in a note book

for all 11 subjects

and printing the note isn't allowed for some reason

then we'd have to memorize the whole notebook

lmao

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, good times lol. School is a whole other issue. But this place banned gadgets (ID: gawai) but phone. I consider my writing pad to not be a gadget

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Oh, a wild TV appeared

You"re banned from that book cafe

[frozen hollow]

What is your writing pad btw

Just curious what you’re using

[opaque wharf]

Idk, generic chinesium. The marketplace says it is xiaomi

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

you cant stop me

[opaque wharf]

Nice to know that discord edit is shit

[opaque wharf]

I know, but he can (insert the server picture)

[frozen hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/hidamari-sketch-miyako-miya-wide-gif-26443809

[sick owl]

Down to the last two servos on my SO Arm 101

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

AC servo?

[fleet jungle]

real

[silent island]

since when did a 20+ yo game needs 72 gigs of space dawgg??
ik this is a collection, but still...

[lean comet]

hello, what would be a good OCR to use for AI Agent that watches your screen?

[nocturne olive]

Why would you want an AI agent to watch your screen?

[lean comet]

you know OpenClaw?

I wanna do something similar but it lives in your computer and has a proactive model that comments and acts upon your own actions on your computer.

currently i am using easyocr but heard there are better and more accurate options

[nocturne olive]

Well have fun when the LLM accidentally deletes your entire root drive

[lean comet]

yeah no im aware of how OpenClaw is dangerous

im making my own thing lol

[opaque wharf]

Tesseract is good for known font IIRC

Or was it handwriting? I forgot which is it

[south cedar]

Tesseract is a very good OCR

[azure lynx]

it's a non-"AI" OCR. very old but fast and works well enough for printed text.

for watching the screen it should be fine.

for windows though you can probably use window messages to get actual text from most windows, which would be faster and have less errors.

depending on how it's rendered

like for menus, window title bars and dialogs. you'd need to OCR things like PDFs still

[lean comet]

understood, yet i heard that its good for mostly text extraction from screen

also lightweight

[opaque sigil]

multiple games worth of high res textures will do that for you

[sick owl]

Openclaw is great in that its a massive security vulnerability in your system that you willingly blast open

[lean comet]

Me no using openclaw😭

I use it as inspiration for my own software in developing

It has way too many good features

[glass jetty]

why you even think guy, who renamed his project 3 times, can do something good?
||-# (i saw FS video apparently)||

i not like this edited appearing under -# string , why not just be like this

[rigid snow]

why do you think he renamed it

anthropic being the very nice company they are sent them a little happy letter

[glass jetty]

cuz i saw FS video?

[rigid snow]

i don’t know what’s in the video i just know of the project

[glass jetty]

he renamed, as fact

[rigid snow]

because clawd is very similar to claude, they were forced to rename immediately and came up with a bad name (moltbot), everyone hated it and they had a few days to come up with a better one (openclaw)

[young plover]

I like moltbot better than openclaw

not that I use any LLM for more than 5 minutes of curiosity

[glass jetty]

[glass jetty]

whanever it is, you should use Ai for searching, if you don't know keywords, it is right way to use ai
only one right way, except things like:

[young plover]

I don't need it

[glass jetty]

this

[young plover]

ok, but I could also just

❯ echo -n f09f94baf09f84b2f09f84bcf09f84b3f09f94ba | xxd -r -p
🔺🄲🄼🄳🔺⏎

or google "hex converter" to get a deterministic conversion

[glass jetty]

no, you can't, unless you know this commands

I just got this raw string on decoder website, and asked chat bot cuz it faster, and it may pick up something extra, not in this case but in general, it isn't human readable in first place

btw, where you found this command(prog) and what exactly it do? also wtf is n for echo, but actually whatever..

[young plover]

I said "I don't need it", I never said "You don't need it"

[glass jetty]

you can't know every possible command

[fleet jungle]

Can we embed images with <img> in discord yet or nah

or something similar

We're almost there anyway

[young plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fleet jungle]

Few more UI adjustments and we'll be looking at GeoCities or whatever that website was for an editable webpage

[rigid snow]

can anyone explain why proxmox sometimes shows me negative percent cpu usage on some containers and vms

like what's the math there

[opaque sigil]

is it a delta maybe?

idk why they'd do that tho

[rigid snow]

no like here

couldn't catch it actually showing negative but it does occasionally

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

wrr

[glad path]

wrrr

[uneven pulsar]

wrrr

[glass jetty]

[glad path]

regenerative braking obviously

[gentle haven]

Rawr

[olive sable]

wrrr

[floral wraith]

what is that it looks like proxmox but it is not proxmox

[fiery anchor]

Oi Sam. How hard is it for a experienced dev to learn gpu rendering properly?

[silent cloak]

its a proxmox thing called proxmox

[floral wraith]

but why can you see nginx in it howww

[silent cloak]

its the container name

[floral wraith]

yeaa that was what i wanted to say

no naming system

[silent cloak]

all of my containers are named

[floral wraith]

do you know portainer its web based for your container (container stack)

[silent cloak]

yeah but honestly its not really great

kind of bloated, pay walled, and just doesnt run good on my systems

[floral wraith]

i dont use it but a friend of mine says its crazy good but there we have it its not good thx now i know i dont need to try it

[silent cloak]

there are a billion other options if u really need some sort of webui like komodo, dockge, podman, arcane, docmon

in the end its just kind of abstraction

[olive sable]

really depends on what you mean with gpu rendering

[floral wraith]

naaa i like my ssh and my terminal

[olive sable]

opengl is easy if you understand some very minor concepts
vulkan is harder, but its fine if you read the docs and do some test programs

"gpu rendering" without a cpu side api is really difficult

[silent cloak]

you can always just learn opengl then if u hit a limit or a roadblock, switch to learning vulkan or similar

as the concepts will carry over

[olive sable]

opengl is pretty much good enough for most things

[silent cloak]

its a good starter

[fiery anchor]

hmmm basic opengl/vulkan pipelines, primitives, shaders, and the usual software patterns

[olive sable]

unly if you're limited to performance, or some very small minor limitations of opengl is vulkan needed

[silent cloak]

raytracing

kek

[olive sable]

its pretty much only RT and tensor cores that opengl cant do

[silent cloak]

webGPU ive heard is good too (web part doesnt mean its only for web)

[olive sable]

it can do the math, but only on cuda cores

so not hardware accelerated math

just normal gpu math

[rough bloom]

ye the basics of graphics programming is easy
it's the bajillion shader tricks and other stuff you can do to either make things look better or squeeze out more performance that's difficult

[silent cloak]

opengl is all one thread though too

[olive sable]

ye

[rough bloom]

just Vulkan but cut down to work on web

[azure lynx]

whenin doubt, take the dot product.

[olive sable]

vulkan is kinda one thread too for the main render loop

but many things can be done outside the main thread

[silent cloak]

im pretty sure its based more on metal than vulkan

but its probably the closest thing vulkan has to competition atm

apparently its really good for cross platform and isnt as verbose as vulkan

[rough bloom]

seemed very much like Vulkan when I used it
never used Metal

[silent cloak]

havent tried it yet though

[rough bloom]

definitely a little bit less verbose

need fewer objects

[silent cloak]

thats why i was happy to switch to dynamic rendering in vulkan

to kill off passes

[olive sable]

uploading stuff to vram can be done in a different threads, only limitation thread wise is doing the display present queue in only one.
that can run at 100k fps tho so its more than fne

[fiery anchor]

hmmm so to sum all the responses up, not that hard to get into, but it takes a long time to get truly proficient since there is a lot of tips and hacks to learn

[silent cloak]

there is ALOT of boiler

[glad path]

triangle

[silent cloak]

especially in vulkan

id argue that most vulkan code u will write will be boiler

(thank you VMA)

[rough bloom]

ye but the boilerplate is not difficult at all
it's annoying but easy

[fiery anchor]

Alright, thanks for the responses

[olive sable]

"pipelines, primitives, shaders, and the usual software patterns" thats all opengl
vulkan is a step above with swapchains, commandbuffers, physical device vs logical device.
its a mess but because you define it in excrutiation detail, you can do a lot of very presice and fast operations with it

[silent cloak]

its because they have the scheme and organization of a java project

RenderThingToScreenVk1Ptr

[fiery anchor]

so... comparable to let's say C and Assembler? The cost of Abstractions?

[olive sable]

id start with this
https://learnopengl.com/

you'll be on your way in a week

its not hard at all

[olive sable]

kinda ye

[rough bloom]

it's mostly because it tries to support older GPUs (that were new back when Vulkan was new)
same thing that happened with OpenGL basically, except OpenGL has a shorter path to getting stuff done quickly (at the cost of performance)
read https://www.sebastianaaltonen.com/blog/no-graphics-api

so much memory management related stuff in Vulkan that's now useless

[olive sable]

i mean

99% of the time you will be doing the exact same sequence of vulkan api commands to upload stuff to memeory.
but its not inhgerently a bad thing

[silent cloak]

not even its just verbose

VK_NV_framebuffer_mixed_samples

the alternative to comments

[rough bloom]

that's normal

would you prefer VK_NV_fms

[silent cloak]

its 67 characters long

[rough bloom]

because idk what that means

[olive sable]

opengl is something you learn in a week, and then get a month of practise to fully grasp.
vulkan is something you learn in a month if you have the experience form using opengl, and then you practise for months

[silent cloak]

my favorite windows function name

RtlWriteDecodedUcsDataIntoSmartLBlobUcsWritingContext

[olive sable]

i havent use Rtl

[silent cloak]

its from wcp.dll

[rough bloom]

that's just lack of generics or overloaded functions
language issue

[fiery anchor]

so OpenGl as entry drug, got it.

[rough bloom]

I went for Vulkan first, never touched OpenGL
it's really not that difficult

but OpenGL is arguably better as an introduction because it gets you results faster

[olive sable]

its easier to learn without opengl

[silent cloak]

id argue the opposite

[olive sable]

nah

opengl is jsut like vulkan, except you skip the insane amount of boilerplate

[silent cloak]

most of the stuff u learn from screwing with opengl can be brought over

[fickle rain]

Is this something from NTDLL?

[silent cloak]

wcp.dll

its undocumented though

[fickle rain]

Rtl prefix made me feel like it was ntdll/kernel

[silent cloak]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/sddl/nf-sddl-convertsecuritydescriptortostringsecuritydescriptora

here is another good one though

[olive sable]

i mistyped with and it autocorrected to without

i meant with

[olive sable]

thought you argued the opposite way

[silent cloak]

lmao

[olive sable]

we're both in agreeance it seems

[silent cloak]

there was a bug in our convo

[fiery anchor]

hi

[olive sable]

discord marks agreeance as wrong, but its a real word

[rough bloom]

usually say agreement

[olive sable]

⁨⁨⁨```
RtlWriteDecodedUcsDataIntoSmartLBlobUcsWritingContext [wcp.dll], with 53-characters, was the longest one (but this function is not documented)

not documented ![AINTNOWAY](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1169590854160224288.webp?size=128 "AINTNOWAY") 
how are you even supposed to use a function when nothing says what it does

[fickle rain]

Someone reversed what it did and imported it and now M$ can’t remove it

[rough bloom]

you aren't
it internal

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

it jsut introduces you to shaders without needing to do the annoying maintenance and boilerplate for making the 15 different cpu to gpu pipeline components

opengl has only vertex and fragment shader

and compute shader if you feel fance

vulkan on the other hand lets you change every single component of the render pipeline

[olive sable]

me when i upload a texture

[rough bloom]

ye that why OpenGL better for beginner who just wants triangle on screen

Vulkan good to learn at some point but not required immediately

[fickle rain]

Bro what the FUCK is that line length

[olive sable]

ye

vulkan not even required at all

[rough bloom]

I would recommend learning it at some point

or alternatively, learning about OpenGL drivers but that's more difficult

[young plover]

The thing that sucks about OpenGL is the state model
Forgor about one setting you changed and now it applies to every draw call

[olive sable]

im jsut specifying the sample bit, the format, the tiling method, the usage, the gpu memory type, the read/write permissions, the aspect color, the view tpye, and some staging stuff

[fickle rain]

I mean like, can’t you format it to actually fit in reasonable width?

Just nitpick

I’m sure it works

[olive sable]

how do you expect me to make it shorter?
those long variables are vulkan api stuff

i didnt make them that long

[rough bloom]

spread across multiple lines

[olive sable]

nah

i have the full 2560 pixel, imma use them

[silent cloak]

need a macro for the macros

[olive sable]

no need to only code on the very left side of my monitor

i odnt like having a single function spread over multiple lines

its like

stay in your lane

[fickle rain]

Clang-format my beloved

[rough bloom]

ye it sucks, but long line is even worse
best option would be to just fix whatever API design led to this mess

[olive sable]

i could change my boilerplate function

but that makes them less usable in different situations

[rough bloom]

yeah, you'd probably just have a single enum that specifies that combinations of parameters that you actually require

[olive sable]

i guess

i dont really feel like rewriting this code rn

[rough bloom]

ye don't need
good to do when you have many instances of this happening but otherwise it's whatever

introducing abstraction where it's not needed also bad

[olive sable]

remember when i was like, i don't want rgba32, i only need 1 bit?

apparently, opengl doesn't have a 1bit option

[rough bloom]

ye just pack into integer

[olive sable]

this is the type of scenario that vulkans boilerplate is for

[rough bloom]

does Vulkan have a native 1-bit format?

[olive sable]

lemme check

yep

well

instead of writing into an image, you write into a buffer

then you can do 1 bit

otherwise its also R8

actually, opengl can probably do the buffer method too via SSBO

[young plover]

🤔 yeah there's no native 1-bit format unless you're just using the alpha channel of RGBA 5551

[olive sable]

thats what seems to be the case ye

i always forget SSBO exist cuz i never use them

[quick condor]

Ahh the fun of python3.13t I have a headache but no GIL

[astral zinc]

πthon

[olive sable]

imma try ⁨hardware.nvidia.open = false⁩

ill see if it fixes some small bugs

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

it honestly doesnt seem to be any different

[opaque sigil]

well yeah

most problems will manifest much higher level than kernel modules

[rough bloom]

yeah the closed and open kernel modules are really not much different (on supported hardware)

most of the driver is in userspace

[opaque sigil]

i'm surprised they don't force the open modules for all gsp cards

though i guess if they have to keep maintaining the closed ones anyway for older cards what's the point

but then they also just dropped support for them now so

[olive sable]

opengl jsut doesnt want to use my gpu

and i cant figure out why

[sick owl]

I hate tiny budget screwdrivers so much

Every revolution of the screw requires a blood sacrifice rn

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

try with ⁨__GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia⁩

since presumably vulkan works so the driver should be fine

[olive sable]

lets see

thats already in my sessionvariables

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

hi shiro

[real sierra]

i found a game and its steam page advertises it as RFC 5737 compliant

[olive sable]

happy valentines day

[real sierra]

valentine's already?

[olive sable]

the aliexpress valentines sale is today eventho its 2 weeks early

so ive been getting constant reminders of it

[azure lynx]

coz shipping

[olive sable]

its always on the 14th i think

[olive sable]

im too cooked from the vtuber community

you meant shipping as in delivering parcels

[azure lynx]

both work ;]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

phrrr

[sage crag]

white day on february 31st

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

why is it called white day

[olive sable]

⁨```
White Day, celebrated on March 14th in Japan, South Korea, and other parts of Asia, is a day for men to reciprocate gifts (usually chocolates) given by women on Valentine's Day, acting as a "reverse Valentine's Day" where men give gifts like white chocolate, candies, or other tokens to express appreciation, often valuing the return gift at two to three times the original gift's worth

![neuroReading](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1155466580927459370.webp?size=128 "neuroReading")

[sage crag]

ye

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[real sierra]

me day?

[sage crag]

shiro

[olive sable]

welp, i dont have to worry about preparing gifts

tbh, i didnt even know valentines was supposed to be woman -> men

i thought it was a free for all battle royale

[sage crag]

its not

[olive sable]

doesnt this imply that tho?

[sage crag]

no

[olive sable]

im misinterpreting it then

[sage crag]

yes

[opaque sigil]

are you in japan?

[olive sable]

no

[opaque sigil]

see

[olive sable]

see what?

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

easier to just think of white day as return gift day

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

its not too uncommon to give obligatory chocolates to your friends on valentines too, though i dont expect you'd get a return gift for that

[olive sable]

in general or with "you" are you specifically adressign me?

[sage crag]

im referring specifically and only to samuel vanuel manuel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314197993459712/SPOILER_NeuroNewYearCute5.gif

[olive sable]

thats fucked up

[sage crag]

it was completely general

[olive sable]

see

i cant tell which one of those was suppsoed to be sarcastic

[sage crag]

good

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

im glad white day isnt in the UK, because it means i get to eat my free chocolate in peace

though, ive not actually recieved any chocolate since i was in school

no choco

[olive sable]

ive not actually recieved any chocolate ~~since i was in school ~~

we dont really do valentines here either

[sage crag]

i can tell that by looking

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

[olive sable]

wdym looking?

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[olive sable]

konii is in my walls

but ye nah

its only common here to give someone chocolate if you're already a tuple

[sage crag]

tuple

[olive sable]

gotta throw some programmer lingo in there

otherwise the mods will banish me to the shadow realm

[sage crag]

tuple inclusive word

[olive sable]

is couple not inclusive?

[sage crag]

size greater than 2

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

or even size of 1, if you wanted

tuple of 0 values still tuple

[olive sable]

id rather not give chocolate to the void

i coudl just eat it myself

[sage crag]

isnt it functionally identical

[olive sable]

if the size of the tuple is 0, then where does the chocolate go?

[sage crag]

no one gives chocolate if the tuple size is zero or one

obviously

[olive sable]

if the tuple is 0 then not even myself is in it

so i dont get chocolate either

thats a waste

[sage crag]

sam dentge

[olive sable]

as per usual

[azure lynx]

type(())
<class 'tuple'>
confimed. chocolate is still on shelf in shop.

[olive sable]

i think i fixed it

its using gpu now, just very badly

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

atomicOr wastes valuable time

[amber fractal]

do you need it to always be atomic?

[opaque sigil]

me when i use atomics and they end up being serialised so parallelism go poof

[olive sable]

for 1 bit ye, cuz buffer stuff is funky

⁨atomicOr(volume.data[wordIdx], (1u << bitIdx));⁩

i think

we need to go back to 3D texture

and accept the R8 using 8x as much storage

[amber fractal]

Nah

this has a better solution

It's called bitmasking and shifting first, then calling OR up the tree until merged

would need to rewrite to handle bulk tho

[olive sable]

nah

[opaque sigil]

sth sth parallel reduction

[olive sable]

new idea

[opaque sigil]

OR is associative right

[olive sable]

we do the compute shader in vertical slices

and have the data in vertical stacks

that way only 1 thread uses a 32bit word at a time

[amber fractal]

I forget your at 32bit words on GPUs

I also dislike my inital solution

[bright scaffold]

Hi

[olive sable]

Hi

[bright scaffold]

I have a question

[amber fractal]

Go ahead

[opaque sigil]

the quick and dirty solution would be to first compute a group-wide mask and then have one thread do the atomicOr but idk how to do that in opengl

[bright scaffold]

I recently got a laptop with an 81Hz FHD IPS screen

[opaque sigil]

cutting contention by a factor of 32 or 64 ought to be enough

[amber fractal]

that was my thought as well

[opaque sigil]

if it's really really bad you can do another level before writing to global memory

[amber fractal]

hold in register and keep pulling data in until your done, then commit

[bright scaffold]

The screen should be FHD, but just for fun, I set it to 2K on Hyprland, and it WORKED, but Idk how to understand if its fake or not

[opaque sigil]

that's an oddly specific number

[bright scaffold]

And my question - how do i can understand it

[olive sable]

hyprland will just give the display whatever is in the hyprland settings, then the display will take that input and tries to convert it back to FHD as that's your monitor's native res

[amber fractal]

Some screens will do some virtualization for off res, but I've never seen it that high off before

the thing may accept 2K streams, but unless it is proven that the construction of the screen supports that res then it's just doing downscaling before reaching you.

[bright scaffold]

oke, thx

And i have one more question about another thing

I use Sober for playing in Roblox

And recently, if I play for a long time, it starts to freeze up a lot.

idk why because it shouldnt get a lags

[amber fractal]

I've looked into Sober, just as an option for an old job I was working at. Can't say much because don't play the was oof game.

The reason it is lagging is because it is emulating all of android in order to run the roblox APK inside of it

[bright scaffold]

I started getting lags ~2-3 days ago

[amber fractal]

that's at least unless games are doing things ofc

[bright scaffold]

Usually i have enough fps

But now

(i have ryzen 4700u)

If i play a long time it starts to drop to 3-5 fps

[olive sable]

maybe memory leak?

[sage crag]

and commutative

(a | b) | c == a | (b | c)

[ivory plinth]

[sage crag]

different from other specialised runtimes by

being specialised runtime

[opaque sigil]

specialised² runtime

[ivory plinth]

[ivory plinth]

[olive sable]

its doing 9000 fps now

in terms of gpu power usage its till bad tho

and i fucked up my code somewhere

[amber fractal]

We need more FPS

[olive sable]

for context it did 800 fps before optimizing for word stuff

[amber fractal]

Yeah, that is the important part

[glad path]

was oof game what

[olive sable]

life is oof game

[amber fractal]

they removed that default death sound

[glad path]

it was re-added

[amber fractal]

ah

so is still oof game

[olive sable]

buffersize needed to get some extra size

[amber fractal]

imagine if off by 1 error

[sick owl]

The print shop fucked up and made the screw holes too narrow

[obsidian mantle]

why is this a picture

oh it probably wont let me normally insert all these underscores and thetas into notepad anyway

[glad path]

there's like one underscore there

i think

yeah there's only one subscript

[opaque sigil]

If only there was another way other than using notepad

[olive sable]

i tested i

SSBO is faster than 3D texture

its still using 40% of my vram for some reason tho

7% seems to be the compute shader, 10% the fragment shader, and the other 23% is the buffer

so this already requires 10GB of vram

i officially blocked everything under 3080 class from running this

i need to run some type of profiller on this cuz thats not a healthy amount of vram usage

my pc just completely froze, and i wasnt even doing anything.
Not out of ram cuz btop was open while it froze and i have 5/64gb used

[sick owl]

https://tenor.com/view/delicatekestis-wahhh-sobbing-emoji-crying-gif-17237760601848548369

I've got to dig my drill out of the shed and manually expand the holes now

[olive sable]

waybar triggered bad PTEs

idk waht that means

[young plover]

Does each invocation just calculate a single bit?
I would either just calculate 8 per invocation, or store the intermediate results to a __shared__ array, __syncthreads(), then have 1/8 invocations or the results and store.
Atomic is a big sledgehammer for that.

[olive sable]

⁨```glsl
#version 450

layout (local_size_x = 16, local_size_y = 16, local_size_z = 1) in;
layout(std430, binding = 0) buffer VolumeBuffer {uint data[];} volume;

const uint WIDTH = 570;
const uint HEIGHT = 1140;
const uint DEPTH = 144;

const uint NUM_WORDS_Z = (DEPTH + 31) / 32;

bool voxelPattern(uint x, uint y, uint z)
{
return (z > 72u);
}

void main()
{
uint x = gl_GlobalInvocationID.x;
uint y = gl_GlobalInvocationID.y;

if (x >= WIDTH || y >= HEIGHT)
    return;

for (uint wz = 0u; wz < NUM_WORDS_Z; ++wz)
{
    uint val = 0u;

    for (uint i = 0u; i < 32u; ++i)
    {
        uint z = wz * 32u + i;
        if (z >= DEPTH) break;

        if (voxelPattern(x, y, z))
            val |= (1u << i);
    }

    uint wordIdx = x + y * WIDTH + wz * WIDTH * HEIGHT;
    volume.data[wordIdx] = val;
}

}

this is the full shader

now that i made it suck less

and then i do ⁨glDispatchCompute(ceil(570/16.0), ceil(1140/16.0), 1);⁩ in the c++ side

there still is some performance left in here, i just have no clue how words work yet

[silent cloak]

u will probably be able to optimize that loop when u learn

(cuz im pretty sure you can compute that without the loop)

[young plover]

You could but I assume voxelPattern will get more complicated

[olive sable]

ye it will

[silent cloak]

you can still hoist baseIdX and stride out of the loop

[olive sable]

thats why its a separate function, just a placeholder

[amber fractal]

by definition a word is the minimum size that can be manipulated at once. So for your case, you have to work with 32 bits at a time

[young plover]

The compiler will catch that unless it's really dumb. I'm less sure about the if (z >= DEPTH) break; in the inner loop because GPUs hate conditional loops, but as long as it's the same on every thread it should be fine.

[silent cloak]

yeah

that can be fixed by making bounds with min()

⁨⁨```cpp
uint val = 0u;
uint zBase = wz * 32u;
uint zEnd = min(zBase + 32u, DEPTH);

    for (uint i = 0u; i < (zEnd - zBase); ++i)
    {
        if (voxelPattern(x, y, zBase + i))
            val |= (1u << i);
    }

    volume.data[baseIdx + wz * stride] = val;

for example

[amber fractal]

That makes sense to me at least

[silent cloak]

branchless my beloved

[olive sable]

checks out ye

[opaque sigil]

But there's a branch

[azure lynx]

do you need a condition? if voxelPattern returns 0 or 1 you could just repalce the 1u in the assignment and there's no condition... just a redundant shift and or of 0 when not needed

[olive sable]

that shoudl work

only problem is the cost of doing the memory write vs skipping it

[azure lynx]

depends on if the conditional or the write is more expensive

[young plover]

The if (voxelPattern... condition is not likely to matter. Shader compilers aggressively turn those into branchless ops when possible.

[silent cloak]

is the buffer already zerod by default?

[olive sable]

ye

we jsut do ⁨glClearBufferData(GL_SHADER_STORAGE_BUFFER, GL_R32UI, GL_RED_INTEGER, GL_UNSIGNED_INT, &zero);⁩

each frame

[silent cloak]

honestly

i think u might as well always write then

if ur clearing the whole buffer every frame and then conditionally writing to it i imagine it might suck a bit

[young plover]

Yeah conditional memory writes aren't helpful
And if you do store the adjacent u32, it's gonna write the whole cache line anyway

[silent cloak]

i mean they can be fine if ur clearing less frequently

but every frame na

[azure lynx]

can the voxelPattern function just return this stack of 32 values? (like, can the loop be moved somewhere else? wouldit be better to call the method once instead of 32 times?)

[olive sable]

hmmm

[silent cloak]

i mean yeah if u go the method of using words to compute everything

[olive sable]

the voxelPattern function is meant to kinda check if there is a polygon at the input coordinate

[amber fractal]

the if block can probably just be replaced with ORing with a bool and always shifting

[silent cloak]

i still dont think the loop will be avoided unless u go to that extreme

but u said ur still expanding it

[olive sable]

im geussing ill need to figure out how voxelPattern is gonna work before i can optimize much m ore

[silent cloak]

i mean yeah

dont do it pre-maturely too much

unless its like freezing

[azure lynx]

best to make it work and be understandable first

[silent cloak]

prototype

[rigid snow]

macos system font?

[floral wraith]

IT was proxmox you could Tell but the Container Name foold me

[silent cloak]

if u REALLY want to avoid the loop without making EVERYTHING a word you can also just go analytical road based on zBase

[olive sable]

⁨```glsl
uint zEnd = min(zBase + 32u, DEPTH);
for (uint i = 0u; i < (zEnd - zBase); ++i)
{
if (voxelPattern(x, y, zBase + i))
val |= (1u << i);
}

this wasn't faster apparently. only got 2/3rd of the fps that the one with break got. i think the compiler might have optimized it to something like this

⁨```glsl
for (uint i = 0u; i < 32u; ++i)
{
    uint z = zBase + i;
    if (z < DEPTH)
        if (voxelPattern(x, y, z))
            val |= (1u << i);
}
```⁩

⁨if (z >= DEPTH) break;⁩seems to have the same performance as ⁨if (z < DEPTH) ....⁩

[azure lynx]

what will DEPTH be? can you force it to be a multiple of 32 all the time?

[young plover]

Try to see what the cuda compiler does
It just calculated the word values at compile-time because voxelPattern is simple
https://cuda.godbolt.org/z/981K9YE39

[olive sable]

it can pretty much be wahtever i want, its a const

⁨```glsl
const uint WIDTH = 570;
const uint HEIGHT = 1140;
const uint DEPTH = 144;

[silent cloak]

as it should

[azure lynx]

would it make any difference if you got rid of the special case for "not exact multiple"?

[olive sable]

idk

i could try making it 160

no real difference

[azure lynx]

it probably makes very little difference compared to how the actual voxelPattern will.

[olive sable]

ok, ill return to this once ive made voxelPattern

[amber fractal]

⁨```glsl
global void shaderMain(uint* const volume) {
const uint y = blockDim.y * blockIdx.y + threadIdx.y;
const uint x = blockDim.x * blockIdx.x + threadIdx.x;

if (x >= WIDTH || y >= HEIGHT) { return; }

for (uint wz = 0u; wz < NUM_WORDS_Z; ++wz)
{
    uint val = 0u;

    for (uint i = 0u; i < 32u; ++i)
    {
        uint z = wz * 32u + i;
        if (z >= DEPTH) break;

        val |= voxelPattern(x, y, z);
        val <<= 1;
    }

    uint wordIdx = x + y * WIDTH + wz * WIDTH * HEIGHT;
    volume[wordIdx] = val;
}

}

Small change, at least in my mind. Removed the second if branch

[young plover]

uint wordIdx = x + y * WIDTH + wz * WIDTH * HEIGHT;
oh
If you're having this single invocation calculate the whole stack of z-values, you should order the axes z, x, y in the buffer. GPUs are even more sensitive to cache locality than CPUs.

[olive sable]

where you getting these form?
blockDim.y * blockIdx.y + threadIdx.y
?

[silent cloak]

you could probably also compute using bit shifts and masks

if you dont wanna go 100% word

[amber fractal]

ah I guess the godbolt link had a slightly diffrent version

[olive sable]

godbolt?

[opaque sigil]

That's cuda so not applicable to you

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

You're a level above

[amber fractal]

ig the code swap I'd be doing then is
⁨⁨```glsl
if (voxelPattern(x, y, z))
val |= (1u << i);

⁨⁨```glsl
val <<= 1;
val |= voxelPattern(x, y, z);
```⁩⁩

[azure lynx]

need to swap the shit and OR, or it'll always have a 0 for the low bit

[amber fractal]

True

[silent cloak]

thats why im thinking u could just use bitwise

[azure lynx]

i think it's also reversed bits but same idea

[silent cloak]

return a word where bit i is set if the voxel at (x, y, zBase + i) satisfies the pattern condition z > 72

[olive sable]

the reason we're going layer per layer along the z axis is because that way we dont need to do atomic stuff for the word.
or something like that idk

[silent cloak]

i love how we are just micro optimizing atp

truly a programmer habit

[amber fractal]

We do it for the love of the game

[young plover]

I think the cache thing is more than a micro-optimization

[azure lynx]

i'm just distracting myself from finding out where my code is blocking.

[olive sable]

the atomic shit form before was painfully slow compared to what wee have rn

[silent cloak]

well yeah but its not even finished

[amber fractal]

I'm also distracting myself from working on array manipultion simulator

also known as NN

[young plover]

Yeah you can do that. I'm saying you should have each thread store adjacent values.

uint wordIdx = wz + x * NUM_WORDS_Z + y * WIDTH * NUM_WORDS_Z;

[amber fractal]

Let me try and explain and someone else hop in for exacts

[silent cloak]

⁨```cpp
volume.data[baseIdx + 0u * stride] = 0u;
volume.data[baseIdx + 1u * stride] = 0u;
volume.data[baseIdx + 2u * stride] = 0xFFFFFE00u;
volume.data[baseIdx + 3u * stride] = 0xFFFFFFFFu;
volume.data[baseIdx + 4u * stride] = 0x0000FFFFu;

https://tenor.com/view/big-boss-metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-big-boss-metal-gear-fish-gif-8275415503006520410

[olive sable]

what

[silent cloak]

all just computed with bitwise

[amber fractal]

I'm assuming the goal of rotating the array in memory to have Z accesses be as the first dimension iterated on for cache reasons. My brain is dead today so sorry if I'm not entirely following

[young plover]

Yes

otherwise it needs to constantly reload far-apart cache lines to insert new values

[silent cloak]

z threading

[amber fractal]

That'd be stored in memory as Z X Y or something similar, proably being ZXY or ZYX depending on if X or Y is smaller

[olive sable]

somehow the code i did in python for game engine stuff was so much less shit

[silent cloak]

abstraction

[amber fractal]

python did have direct shader code fields, so not that much

[silent cloak]

surprised they let their users have direct anything

[amber fractal]

like storing the glsl shader as a string to compile

Numpy has more guard rails than the opengl libary used

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/sack-clan-call-of-duty-cod-black-ops-modern-warfare-gif-26557362

[olive sable]

when the shaders compile and lag your game during intensive gameplay

[silent cloak]

thats the best time for them to compile

https://tenor.com/view/unreal-engine-5-ue5-shader-cache-gif-5911094848395342419

[olive sable]

when the shaders compile and crash your entire pc during final fantasy 14 trying to make a cute outfit on a wednesday afternoon after making your exams

[young plover]

The other end is what we call "ubershaders" where the developer just has one shader which does everything. Don't make ubershaders.

[silent cloak]

me designing an algorithm to detect when the user is performing well in the multiplayer online game so I can forcefully rebuild shaders

[olive sable]

not speaking from personal experience, trust me bro

[silent cloak]

unreal engine

https://tenor.com/view/unreal-engine-ue5-cpu-caption-optimizing-shaders-gif-8837205051055046969

[olive sable]

if its a really simple shader it should be fine

but us gamedevs dont need to be like pixar

we dont need the principled BSDF

[amber fractal]

we love the entire character model in a shader tho

[silent cloak]

reminds me of shadertoys where people implement audio and other shit using shader code

just make an entire game like that

[amber fractal]

I saw a thing like yesterday in shadertoy of an entire scene built on a shader

[silent cloak]

thats the smallest thing on their website

keep looking at the other projects

lmao

[amber fractal]

That is very much true

[young plover]

This array never changes
I should make it a constant instead of a bound buffer
shader gets slower

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-opengl-gif-17214494586818081292

[olive sable]

me when i dont properly utulise the gpu hardware

[silent cloak]

shortage will fix that

[amber fractal]

nope it'll just breed sparse fp4 frame gen

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-gpu-throw-away-gpu-trash-gpu-garbage-gif-24996597

i hate frame gen so much

[amber fractal]

If they actually nuke FP64 on consumer cards like they've done on the B300 I might just never upgrade past this 3060 in my laptop

No point in ever doing it

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/4090-rtx-4090-owners-when-dlss4-gif-14982783796855356074

[young plover]

We goin back to GBA color quality

[silent cloak]

na lets do vector graphics

(look up the vectrex console)

[young plover]

No need for VRAM if you draw with an electron beam in realtime

[rigid snow]

shader microservices

[unkempt citrus]

Shader as a Service

[silent cloak]

at that point we need to restart the human race

[rigid snow]

render farms

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

no need to render

just buy each frame on paper

its recyclable

[rigid snow]

no need to render blank paper

[silent cloak]

the frames would atleast be real

[azure lynx]

GBA? that's full color, with transparancy, but no red channel? so for color blind people? (advanced humor, sorry)

[young plover]

systemctl --user restart fortnite_dance_renderer

[rigid snow]

took me a while

can’t read gba as anything other than game boy advance its meant that my whole life

[azure lynx]

graphics talks primes my brain for RGBA

GBA islike a channel fell off

[amber fractal]

I overthought the joke, that makes sense now

[silent cloak]

infinite money glitch

(unpatched)

[amber fractal]

I am dying at the cropped text

[ivory plinth]

$00B

[silent cloak]

i have another one with human centipede

[rigid snow]

when i was a kid even before school EVERYONE either had a gba [sp] or a psp. in kindergarten, on random playgrounds, everywhere
i was one of the psp bunch i had that
oh and there sometimes was an occasional kid with a ds which would always be the coolest one because woah a ds what’s that

ds not popular here

[amber fractal]

I only had the DS, already went past GBA's prime by the time I got something for myself

[young plover]

It's wild how closely the DS and GBA launched
Nintendo wanted separate product lines which made 0 sense

2001 and 2004 I think

[rigid snow]

and by the time i went to school the coolest thing to have was an ipod touch who cares about a ds or a psp lmao what’s allat lame stuff

[amber fractal]

Our schools had rules against kids using tech outside of school computers, so there were no tech based trends until HS and that was "newest iPhone"

tbf I went to HS with tiktok so that shows me as youngling

[rigid snow]

we did too but tbf our school was an exception, didn’t prevent us from sneaking it in

[rigid snow]

i did too but people in nn call me unc?

when they hear my age

[amber fractal]

people that call you unc deserve to be called younglings

[rigid snow]

ye 80% of nn

cringe kids am i right

[amber fractal]

I have a feeling if I were to say I'm 21 I'd also be called unc

[rigid snow]

you will because i am 21

[amber fractal]

[opaque wharf]

403 new message

[rigid snow]

Forbidden

[jagged turtle]

wait wha

[opaque wharf]

Yep, I thought it was funny lol

[jagged turtle]

did something happen?

[opaque wharf]

Nah, just a coincidence

[rigid snow]

he said there are 403 new meshes

messages

[jagged turtle]

om

[visual pawn]

if 21 is unc then I'm a pile of ash

[sage crag]

urn

[glass jetty]

btw, laptop
Startup finished in 12.532s (firmware) + 6.067s (loader) + 2.895s (kernel) + 2.213s (userspace) = 23.708s
graphical.target reached after 2.189s in userspace.

[uneven pulsar]

dam

insane

[young plover]

19.010s (firmware) + 5min 43.346s (loader) + 2.833s (kernel) + 5.342s (initrd) + 13.312s (userspace)|
AM5 moment
(the loader time is probably just because I started the PC and walked away before entering the boot drive encryption password)

[glass jetty]

i wonder, is disk encryption handled by hardware?

[young plover]

For my boot disk no. For the 990 Evo+ that stores my games yes.
You can enable Opal (self-encryption) for drives but not all drives support it. You need to secure erase the drive using the PSID from the label, then explicitly specify --hw-only or something in cryptsetup. By default cryptsetup will just do it in software, which probably uses the AES instructions on newer x86 CPUs.
My boot disk is buried under a GPU and I don't feel like re-installing the OS so I haven't bothered fixing that to use self-encryption.

[olive sable]

@opaque wharf

its uploading

biblicalyl accurate tutel

[glass jetty]

ok, i just use laptop, and prob i should use encryption (as only way to secure data if laptop is stolen)

will research it later

or never

idk

[glass jetty]

340W... yeah, beast

[olive sable]

340W for 29fps

the compute shader is mayhaps really fucking bad

oh ye, that doesnt embed

[glass jetty]

-# i really not into 3d

see code, understand almost none

[olive sable]

the lack of syntax highlighting doesnt help

[olive sable]

i forgot i could change it in discord itself tbh

[maiden geyser]

why didn't people invent an hdd with a magnetic mobius strip inside

are they smart

[olive sable]

[young plover]

[opaque wharf]

You're going to project that to the church?

[olive sable]

im pretty sure if forgot to do the indexbuffer stuff
im sure its fine

[wraith meteor]

Hellou

I bring gifts

include 👩 🍆 💀
⁨
if (👩){
if(🍆){
🍆💀 = True;
}
}

it needs an egg

[olive sable]

[wraith meteor]

Can someone cook an egg?

I am hungry

[olive sable]

starve

[wraith meteor]

include 👩 🍆 🥚 💀
⁨
if (👩){
if(🍆){
🥚💀 = True;
}
}

Here you go Sam

pat pat Sam

[olive sable]

i dont want it

you can have it

[wraith meteor]

You want fish

I can give you fish

🐬

[young plover]

Seems like it would make more sense to make the triangles the outer loop, and share all of those initial calculations for each loop over z.
But uh, that amount of branching is 💀
I've seen GPUs choke and die from that kind of looping.

[olive sable]

i want my compute shader optimized

[opaque wharf]

That's a fish?

[wraith meteor]

Technically?

[olive sable]

nope

[wraith meteor]

Dolphin emulator?

[opaque wharf]

Must've been royalty fish then

[wraith meteor]

Royal tea

[olive sable]

dolphin is a mammal

[wraith meteor]

Mammal fish

[olive sable]

not fish

[wraith meteor]

like ShyLilly?

Is Beluga fish?

[unkempt citrus]

nope, whale, so mammal

[wraith meteor]

Is lilly dolphin or beluga or human

I think it's all of the above

[wraith meteor]

Enjoy debuging this

[olive sable]

beluga whale is also not a fish but a mammal

so all 3 possebilities would be mammal

[amber fractal]

What have I returned to

[olive sable]

jojo

golden wind

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

i put my mic ontop of my pc to record that

[fleet jungle]

is that 1 bit

[olive sable]

ye

[fleet jungle]

I'm seeing trace amounts of a gradient... I'm not sure if that's not because of the spinning tho

oh it was

[olive sable]

it has to be cuz of obs and/or the spinnign

[fleet jungle]

yea

nice progress

[olive sable]

got it up from 30 fps to 80

with some highly cursed shit

[wraith meteor]

You're welcome sam

[amber fractal]

how many do we need

[wraith meteor]

144

[olive sable]

well, only 30 really

but i want it to be able to run on other hardware than my 3090

i did some off-camera mining

[amber fractal]

Is this handling mapping to the spinning boi or not yet?

[olive sable]

this compute shader is for turning a 3D model with polygons into voxels

which is the hard part

the fragment shader rn is just doing 1 frame per. but i still need to make it to 24 frames into 24bit rgb

lemme do that rn

[amber fractal]

if else chain my beloved

[olive sable]

⁨temporal bit-plane multiplexing⁩

as the youngins say

[wraith meteor]

I have 3060 so...

I don't even get that much

[olive sable]

these aint shii...

[wraith meteor]

UHHH

CARAMELDANSEN

Sweden

[opaque wharf]

Hell yeah, caramelldansen!

[wraith meteor]

Noice

Spinner

[olive sable]

imma put htis shit on my github i guess

[wraith meteor]

Thanks sam

[amber fractal]

tasty code, I sure hope I run at frames per second

[olive sable]

to be fair

rn

the compute shader runs at the same speed as the render shader

and in reality it should only be doing 30fps while the other one does 180 or so

[fiery anchor]

perfect for my "5 min after waking up on a sunday" foggy mind. Good Morning.

[olive sable]

goodmorning

https://github.com/samvanmaele/volumetric-display

dont look too close at shell.nix. chatgpt made that

[amber fractal]

help

[olive sable]

none of the vulkan shit in that works yet

most of it doesnt in fact

[amber fractal]

ohhhhh that's why my entire system freezes when that one opens

[olive sable]

dont use the vulkan shaders

[olive sable]

i think that miht jsut be the compute shader

i think most of it is set to work well on a 3090

⁨```glsl
shared Triangle sharedTris[128];

struct TriCache
{
vec3 e0, e1, e2;
vec3 n;
vec3 v1;
vec3 minV, maxV;
float d00, d11, d01, d22;
float rcp_d00, rcp_d11, rcp_d22;
float invDet;
float sqrt_n2;
float ds, dt;
};
shared TriCache triCache[128];

mainly this cache shit is somethign you dont want on a laptop

[amber fractal]

It suddenly is fine after a bit, wonder what could be happening

[olive sable]

wdym?

[amber fractal]

let me check, what make am I supposed to be using because currently this mf on vulkan

[olive sable]

uh

it shoudlnt een be able to use vulkan

i commented all the vulkan scripts out