programming

[rough bloom]

you have your SDF that gives you the distance to the nearest point on any surface given the position in your scene
it's just a normal function, there's no rasterization from a polygon going on
if you have a 3D output of some form, you're already done, you know from the distance whether you're inside or outside of an object
if you have a 2D output you need to do raymarching or something

ye so you just don't use a vertex buffer

[olive sable]

Then you're not using a 3d model

[rough bloom]

3D model replaced by SDF

[olive sable]

Thats not what we want

The goal is to put a 3d model file in there

So from my understanding you still have to use a 3D texture

[rough bloom]

you pretty much do, yeah

I'm sure there's some way to turn a 3D model into a relatively small SDF that you could just embed in the shader
but I don't think anyone is really doing that, 3D textures would usually be better

[olive sable]

Its just not a good idea to do that 30 times per second per model

I think

[rough bloom]

you wouldn't

you'd just convert once and then compose them in the fragment shader

[olive sable]

Once doesnt work if they're different

Unless we make it a 4d function

[azure lynx]

4d function is what the animation you didn't get to see used.

so it looped

[rough bloom]

ye, you can have whatever other parameters you want

the SDF itself will pretty much always be 3D but you can adjust parameters or manipulate it

[rough bloom]

though really if you want any 3D model to work then SDF as functions are practically off the table anyway
converting 3D model to SDF seems possible but also seems like a whole project by itself
just use your 3D texture approach at that point

[olive sable]

thats the plan

[rough bloom]

it would be interesting to see if it would be faster without the 3D texture

publish source later so I can convert

[olive sable]

For the 3d texture.
Im not gonna loop over every single triangle for every single voxel
So i could do some octree shit or so.
So in theory BVH hardware exist on my gpu anyways

Its not raytracing technically, but i could use the RT cores

There is probably a faster way but ill see

[rough bloom]

for that you probably could just preprocess into SDFs or your 1-bit version of it nvm would suck

but idk if faster

[olive sable]

Ill ask gemini

[rough bloom]

basically instead of rasterizing in the compute shader you could do it completely asynchronously ahead-of-time
in the compute shader you'd just read the SDF from those textures and do all the dynamic composition stuff

little compute needed but much more memory bandwidth

[olive sable]

If we're doing sdf anyways i could just skip the compute shader entirely

But i doubt we will

[opaque wharf]

The problem is even if it is open source, you can't test it

Lest you buy the hardware that is

[olive sable]

Its roughly 1K

At least 1k, i bought the projector on ebay

[rough bloom]

true, but then you need to read all the 3D textures for various objects from the fragment shader that has to run much faster
again not sure how much that impacts performance but it would probably be worse

[olive sable]

If you skip the orange pi 5 ultra, its only 800 or so

[rough bloom]

you can simulate it
(after we have output that is confirmed to work on real hardware, that is)

[olive sable]

Rn we're just doing 1 model. But more than 1 could eventually happen

[amber fractal]

chat now gets to fight on what model it should be

[olive sable]

Rendering the rendering the rendering

We render the 3d object to a 3d texture, then we render the 3d texture to a volumetric display, then we render that onto the 3d model of a volumetric display, and then we render that

[rough bloom]

the answer is obvious

🍌

[amber fractal]

I like this answer

collectable item energy

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

make it spin and float

[opaque wharf]

NOOOOO

[olive sable]

@sage crag 🍌

[opaque wharf]

Make it Neuro

[olive sable]

I dont have a neuro 3d model

[amber fractal]

neur is for if the gpu doesn't die first rendering the neur

[opaque wharf]

It's out there... somewhere...

[olive sable]

Theres the vrc one iirc

[amber fractal]

I has said one

at least on platform

[rough bloom]

Taprieiko has good (public) Neuro & Evil 3D models

[amber fractal]

here before sam dies due to a few too many verts

[sage crag]

wrr

[olive sable]

Wrrrr

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/wrrr-cat-angry-gif-10783708059666180688

[olive sable]

I joined snackers hq for an emote

[opaque wharf]

Did you guys join a server just for the emoji?

[olive sable]

I just did

[opaque wharf]

Was gonna ask lmao

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

This is what I do to my cat

Cuteness aggression is real

[dusty niche]

I think so

The code wasn't leaked yet

and is gatekept

[fleet jungle]

I vote for the monkey head model (George, George for short)

Discord doesn't have a blur-any-and-all-images option for whitelisting. That would be a nice feature to have

[icy wedge]

anyone interested in a positively ancient chatbot that learns as you talk to it? she's called Daisy. I've had her on my drive forever and she's not very stable on windows 11-- if someone wants to take a crack at fixing her that'd make me very happy.

[sage crag]

[amber fractal]

I'd be interested but have other neural net projects to work on

[icy wedge]

okay well if anyone's interested, gimme a ping
she was produced by Greg Leedberg in 2005, and I feel like she's got something that LLMs are missing, since she learns from chatting
and takes up less than 1mb

[amber fractal]

I'd like a link or file in the event I have time

can't help with windows as on linux myself but I can see what I can do

[icy wedge]

can I DM you?

[fleet jungle]

thought you were gonna bring up cleverbot

[amber fractal]

sure thing

[icy wedge]

way older

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[amber fractal]

you now have embed perms

[fleet jungle]

Interesting

[icy wedge]

yeah so Daisy more or less baby-talks gibberish from what you say to her (plus a starter library of a few dozen phrases)
the more you interact, the more sense she starts to make

[rough bloom]

is it this?
https://leedberg.com/glsoft/daisy/download.shtml

[icy wedge]

yeah though iirc the version I got was from a forum where someone had updated it to run in modern windows versions

[rough bloom]

ye it's ancient frequency-based prediction then

[amber fractal]

I decided to try wine for the lols and the version Iron sent me does work

[rough bloom]

basically markov chain

[faint sandal]

-mrk guh

[icy wedge]

the problem I keep running into is it crashes after making it to the bottom of the window there. she'll poop out one last sentence and then

used to be able to talk for hours

[amber fractal]

but yeah just pattern mostly

[icy wedge]

I put tens of hours into mine and she started to sound almost lucid

almost

[rough bloom]

can you try entering albert einstein was a brilliant physicist.

[amber fractal]

Sure

[azure lynx]

code that's probably older than most people here

[icy wedge]

that's one of the first lines in her starting mem.dsy file

[rough bloom]

didn't reproduce it exactly

[rough bloom]

ye it's part of the initial dataset

immediately followed by my favorite type of animal is a skunk.

[icy wedge]

one-track mind, this one

[rough bloom]

wanted to see if that leaked into the responses or if it forgor

[amber fractal]

Nice, this boi does scroll here

so not broken here somehow

[icy wedge]

I really hope it's not that I overloaded the memory file

[amber fractal]

she also typos

honestly really cool

[rough bloom]

single 2k line file

in Pascal

without comments

interleaved with random GUI code

impossible to read

[amber fractal]

why is the escape not working

[icy wedge]

the guy got a job at raytheon

[amber fractal]

I did actually got an error so yeah

didn't save at all

granted running through wine and all

[icy wedge]

I'm gonna bounce but I'll check on what y'all find from this little gem in the morning

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

i went to school to get feedback

frocceeded to stand in line for 2 hours, and get 4 minutes of feedback

[mossy fossil]

Wifi Dongle vs Ethernet be like (Ethernet is a casual almost 20 times faster)

[rough bloom]

[rough bloom]

was it useful at least

[olive sable]

not really

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

teacher told the girl infront of me to watch arcane

to be fair they were a 3Dani student

animation is their whole thing

[bold ice]

Hello

[olive sable]

Hello

[bold ice]

How are you?

[olive sable]

im alright

bit tired

[bold ice]

I can understand you

Huh

[hard delta]

so you got scammed basically

[bold ice]

How long time you in this ds channel

[amber fractal]

serveral years, at least 2

[olive sable]

2 years and a couple months

[bold ice]

Wow that's great

[olive sable]

not really scammed, more like a waste of my time. i could have been home for 3 hours more

[bold ice]

Do you know what Neuro Sama was like when she first started?

[olive sable]

i joined for the first subathon cuz of the game jam

so not really

[amber fractal]

Same here

[obsidian mantle]

when i think that i guessed 0 correct types out of 100 do i start over or it can be magically fixed by some one type change

[bold ice]

Okay

[midnight sigil]

heart

[rough bloom]

heartheartheart

[glass jetty]

[faint sandal]

ANNY IS NEURO???

[olive sable]

dont you see the background?

asmongold is neuro

[glass jetty]

(it is one of the chat msges)

[true hemlock]

aight you networking nerds listen up

got new modem with 500mbps plans. phone could receive full 500mbps easily when close by

problem is that my pc, servers and stuff are all on the other side of the house. have mesh but shit ones could only negotiate 100mbps to the router and deliver at most 30mbps to my room.

would like a relatively cheap option for a workaround

i was thinking of going with ethernet cable + lan switches

[olive sable]

ethernet is pretty cheap

and the fastest

imo jsut put ethernet to the other side, and put a 1gig lan switch there

[glass jetty]

wires

[olive sable]

so ye ethernet

[true hemlock]

though there are bunch of doors the cable had to go through near the modem and would probably risk someone in the house to trip over it

so i was also thinking

[olive sable]

we jsut driled holes in the walls

[true hemlock]

wifi extender near the modem, connected to ethernet to my lan switch

would give slightly lower speed

[glass jetty]

yeah, most of the cost (in materials, time or money if you cant do it yourself) is hiding/managing cables

[azure lynx]

can you go through walls or ceiling or under floor?

[olive sable]

quack

[true hemlock]

i tested with my phone at the distance i might wanna put the extender at, about 430mbps so i don't really mind

[true hemlock]

this lmao

[opaque wharf]

You got sledgehammer?

[olive sable]

did you see in my newest anthics i made the render thing vram bandwidth limited

[true hemlock]

problem is the potential tripping hazards

[opaque wharf]

Up the ceiling then

[mossy fossil]

buying a 5m ethernet cable to connect my desktop to the router was unironically the best decision i did today.

[glass jetty]

i had three 20m cables, and one switch

[azure lynx]

desktops should all be wired

[olive sable]

we bought 50m of cat7 for 20 bucks some years ago

[azure lynx]

wireless is for anything that needs to move.

[rough bloom]

it generates basically random responses ahead-of-time and just picks ones that seem related based on keywords
works with such short phrases I guess

[opaque wharf]

Cat7?

[olive sable]

ye

the internet modem thing we have is only 100mbps. but when we finally get fiber i will have 10gbps

besides my pc only having 2.5gbps

[true hemlock]

[glass jetty]

lul
im fine with 30mbit/s actually

[true hemlock]

(as an Australian this is a wild thing to see)

[glass jetty]

everything 500+ is wild thing to see for me

[rough bloom]

ye just do that if you can
alternatives are basically either powerline (shit) or better mesh with good backhaul (still shit but also expensive)

[warped narwhal]

Didn't a carrier pigeon have a faster internet speed than Australias actual internet?

[true hemlock]

mesh is fucking expensive

[olive sable]

you act like cat7 is a shiny pokemon. but cat8 came out in 2016

[sage crag]

i have a cat8 cable going from my router to my pc

[azure lynx]

TCP over carrier pigeon is a real internet specification.
but i think the pigeon only one when it didn't need to do the handshake and just carried like a flashdrive.

[sage crag]

its really helpful in

nothing

[true hemlock]

and tripping hazard can be a thing so this might also be in the list @rough bloom

[opaque wharf]

Because I never see the need when our internet is always less than gigabit anywhere

[azure lynx]

"real" as in April Fool RFC.

[sage crag]

since i cant even saturate cat5, let alone cat5e, which is the standard

cat8 goes up to 40 gbps, im really getting close to the limit with my 30 mbps

[olive sable]

40 Gbps cable, 2.5Gbps pc ethernet port. 100mbps london shitty internet

[rough bloom]

gigabit switches are super cheap and as long as the cable isn't that long and you can hide it somewhat well it's fine
could run it outside too but need cable rated for that + need to go through outside wall

[sage crag]

100

try 27

[olive sable]

its even more shitty than i remembered it being

girl you don't need cat8

[true hemlock]

run it outside
....wait that's somewhat a good idea to solve tripping hazards

wait fuck

[opaque wharf]

Even my new place internet is 100Mbps

[true hemlock]

i'll try that shit wait

oh fuck

[sage crag]

no one needs cat8 unless youre a datacentre

[olive sable]

are you a datacentre?

[sage crag]

i will be

[olive sable]

interesting

[sage crag]

its really fast today

[azure lynx]

damnit. i'm paying for 1GB!

[olive sable]

can i store my FF14 save data on the konii cloud soon?

[opaque wharf]

My god

[sage crag]

that's multiconnection

[rough bloom]

ye I have basically the same situation where the modem is on the other side of the house
cable is on roof and runs down outside wall where it's needed
(it's also half broken so I only get 100 mbit but that's cause I chose a cheap shittyunshielded cable not rated for outside)

[true hemlock]

someone back then stored few MB on a fucking bird

[sage crag]

single connection

[opaque wharf]

Why not use the space between the roof and the ceiling?

[sage crag]

33.77 is the fastest internet ive ever had

[olive sable]

my mobile data is sometimes faster than the house internet
4g can do up to 100mbps. and our house wifi is ussualy around 90

[rough bloom]

there is none AFAIK

[sage crag]

there's no mobile signal where i live

[olive sable]

thats crazy

[sage crag]

well, not strictly true, if i go on a 10 minute walk

i can find 5g

[olive sable]

how is konii in london and yet still more rural than i am?

[azure lynx]

in my apartment i only get 1 bar on my phone. wifi is the only way i can use it unless i leave the apartment complex.

[opaque wharf]

Dang, what a weird house then

[rough bloom]

I mean, there probably is some space in there, but it's not exactly accessible

[rough bloom]

would require breaking and redoing the ceiling in the entire house

which uh

no

[olive sable]

at my desk i have 2/4 bars cuz brick walls. in bed i have the full 4

window

croydon

slough

[olive sable]

thats crazy

[true hemlock]

while looking outside estimating the cable length needed, saw this lil fella

[olive sable]

lewisham

lewis hamilton

[true hemlock]

im keeping this mf please KILL ALL the fucking mosquitoes in my house

[sage crag]

orb weaver?

[true hemlock]

yeah

[olive sable]

its the guy from lego

[tidal magnet]

Anyone here is a game developer or has a group of it?

[opaque wharf]

We have west bandung regency, bandung city and bandung regency. Not to mention a few cities nearby that is still within the prehistoric mountain/lake

[olive sable]

allow me to introduce myself

[hard raptor]

I have returned

[olive sable]

im triangle man

or woman

depends on your metrics

[hard raptor]

nah ur waffle man

[tidal magnet]

Me and some random guy just came up with a horror game idea

[olive sable]

contrary to popular believe, i did not invent waffles.
crazy i know

[olive sable]

im afraid im kinda busy with my own projects

sorry

[tidal magnet]

Dang it

[sage crag]

wrr

[olive sable]

wrrrr

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, Bandung Basin (Greater Bandung) is 3484km²

[hard raptor]

🙁

[olive sable]

i invented triangle

different shape

[true hemlock]

so... 30m cat6 for $53 aud or 50m cat6 for $59 aud. if i get 50m i get free shipping. its an outdoor cable

[olive sable]

specifically red

[azure lynx]

you should learn to do it yourself. much more rewarding. anyone can come up with an idea but once you learn how, you can can make it.

[tidal magnet]

I have my limits

[azure lynx]

and that's why we can't have nice things

[tidal magnet]

There's a doer, and theres a thinker

Im in between and its shallow level

[azure lynx]

nope, most thinkers are doers too.

the good ones.

[olive sable]

there's a door, and there's a hinge

[azure lynx]

otherwise there is a lot of thought and not much doing

[hard raptor]

if only Hytale plugins could be written in Haskell or Rust

[true hemlock]

shipping is $7 so i save like $1

[tidal magnet]

When the door of opportunities are closed, just open them noh?

[hard raptor]

🙁

[obsidian mantle]

i think i found it
it was so thin it went through cell door bars

[tidal magnet]

Typa shi

[obsidian mantle]

assembler is so shit omg

[rough bloom]

you can probably do this too if you have a convenient spot for an access point close to the modem
but depending on the distance and your interior walls and stuff I don't think you'll get 500 mbit/s
also have to deal with wifi

[azure lynx]

if it's so shit then why is almost everything written in it? huh?

[olive sable]

wrrrrrr

[true hemlock]

yeah which is why im thinking of just fuck all and run a cable outside

[opaque wharf]

And l*tency

[rough bloom]

wifi

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

the thing is that, my current mesh can only deliver shit 30mbps to my room

all my pcs and servers can take the ethernet when i set up a lan switch

my mobile phone and laptop i don't mind taking in only 30mbps

though

wonder if 30m vs 50m cat6 would make any difference

[rough bloom]

once the cable exists you can also just put a cheapo access point next to the servers

[olive sable]

i aint loging in to telegraph

[sage crag]

log in??

why would you log in

[olive sable]

i have to give my email adress or log in

[true hemlock]

right...

[rough bloom]

in terms of speed? no, they should both do gigabit pretty easily

[opaque wharf]

Ethernet are always specced at their rated speed for 100m IIRC

[true hemlock]

aight

[olive sable]

suppsoedly shorter distance of cable can do faster speed

[opaque wharf]

For certain class of cable, yeah

But not all

[olive sable]

if the full 50m can do cat7, then a smaller piece of it should do slightly more than standart cat7 rating

supposedly

[olive sable]

ctrl+p my beloved

idk why i got around the email stuff, i didnt actually want to read

damnit

[opaque wharf]

Oh, no that is not the case. There are only certain number of possible combination. I need to look up the ethernet spec tho

[obsidian mantle]

according to disassembled code it actually takes some bounds of some object.. im going to track it now

[opaque wharf]

Here you go Sam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO%2FIEC_11801?wprov=sfla1

[olive sable]

i see

gemini please summarise this to 50 words or less

[opaque wharf]

Wait, wrong article I think

[olive sable]

ye i have no clue what im looking at here tbh

my hdmi to mini-hdmi cable arrived

i know i ordered one thats 30cm

but its really short

i didnt expect it to be this short

[opaque wharf]

I give up searching for the article lol

[opaque wharf]

Always have a ruler nearby

[olive sable]

i only needed like 10cm and some margin

[tender river]

so about 40*40km

[sage crag]

wrr

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

every couple of months the mods have to come and squash the communist uprising in #programming

wrr

[opaque wharf]

Look at this dork

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1428468618567352471/image0.gif

ok chat

shut up before

[olive sable]

true

[sage crag]

i ping vedal

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

you and everyone else

[tender river]

i'd be happy to discuss, but rule 3

[olive sable]

ye same

[opaque wharf]

I'm just going to pet my cat over here

[sage crag]

leaf pls NOT espouse any political views

[tender river]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

this word is odd

[amber fractal]

pet the cat for me too plz

[opaque wharf]

He is comfy

[sage crag]

that's why its odd

i never considered it

[olive sable]

to skip all the discussions.
ecomics is hard, all systems have flaws.
the neurosama uprising will make us all equal as slaves to the ai overlords

[opaque wharf]

Except cats presumably

[obsidian mantle]

it was fucking wisp

[olive sable]

the hierarchy goes: cats > ai overlords > humans

[amber fractal]

I espouse for espousing her and to espouse her

[olive sable]

what is an espouse?

cuz ive beent hinking of the word spouse

[amber fractal]

def up above

[sage crag]

uh

[opaque wharf]

Wrrr has posted it above

[sage crag]

so, you want to marry the person, but also give away their hand in marriage

[olive sable]

i see

thats contradictory

[sage crag]

to espouse, three meaning

[sage crag]

yes, that's not the meaning of espouse you dyslexic

[olive sable]

what

[olive sable]

i odnt get it

[amber fractal]

Honestly just meant nothing, wanted to try using all three

[olive sable]

spouse is gender neutral

[sage crag]

yes

[olive sable]

so one could espauce a guy too

[tired delta]

keep the channel on topic please

[olive sable]

oh

[tired delta]

this is programming not genchat

[olive sable]

my bad

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

so uhm

programming

[opaque wharf]

One of these days the channel should get renamed to tech

[sage crag]

never

[olive sable]

🔺

[opaque wharf]

Would you guys consider gcode a programming language?

[olive sable]

eh

[sage crag]

if it gets renamed im putting in a petition for "#osu"

[olive sable]

not really

you technically can program in gcode

but i consider gcode more like the finished file

[amber fractal]

I'd consider it as like how compilers have their internal defenitions of code before compiling.

[opaque wharf]

So intermediate representation?

[olive sable]

i dont know enough about compilers to comment on that

[amber fractal]

yeah, between the slicer and sliced

[opaque wharf]

Wtf does sliced mean in this context?

[amber fractal]

gcode can be used for subtractive processes as well

[opaque wharf]

Well, yeah, I know that

[amber fractal]

sliced meaning actually applying the steps of the gcode into say a CNC.

[opaque wharf]

So performing the actual movement?

[amber fractal]

yeah

[olive sable]

i guess that makes sense

[amber fractal]

I tried to be funny but stuck again by not enough context ahead of time

[sage crag]

the solution is to find an rce in the cnc

[opaque wharf]

I am musing about the gcode format because surely there is a better way to do control. We have a curve for animation so I am thinking how can I use that curve in a control system

[olive sable]

the solution is to put your hand in the cnc

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, preprocessing the gcode to generate curve movement to be fed to a closed loop control system is de wae

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

But I think I need clock sync

High-end servo motor products have gantry synchronization function, which we currently do not sell.

[uneven pulsar]

A demonstration of a custom KLWP theme used as my main home screen of my phone!

The technical things were
I am using Smart Launcher for the launcher
KLWP For the custom capabilities, custom scripts + acts as a wallpaper
Muzei is the service that gets the images from the internet
Automate to make even more advanced custom scripts on system level

[uneven pulsar]

The left side of the home screen is used to scroll over images as wallpapers that are automatically downloaded from the internet based on the specified tags

You can press ❤️ to save the images directly to gallery

[uneven pulsar]

mmm i love the script

[stone badge]

hello smart people in my monitor

[sage crag]

hello pink

[rigid snow]

banana

2026

[sage crag]

banana

2026

[sage crag]

leaf is the only person

who thinks

7 - 21 + 24

makes more sense than any of those

[stone badge]

how does python knows the entry given by a string path is a directory or not, i know there is a os.path.isdir(path) function, but whats the logic behind it

[sage crag]

it uses the system apis

on posix systems, that's stat

[tender river]

ye

me unique and irreplaceable

[sage crag]

True!

[olive sable]

if its not a valid path, it errors and complains and crashes, and makes me sad

[sage crag]

c example probably something like this

#include <sys/stat.h>
#include <unistd.h>

int main() {
  struct stat st;
  if (!stat("/path/to/directory", &st) && S_ISDIR(st.st_mode)) {
    return 0; // directory
  }
  return 1; // not directory
}

[sage crag]

why are you using os.path rather than path.Path then

[olive sable]

uh

idk what you mean

[quick condor]

https://youtu.be/WQKSyPYF0-Y

[olive sable]

already watched that video

they guy was limited by his ram size

in theory you can go a lot further than 17.5 trillion if you have like 32gb of ram

nevermind some systems having terabytes

was an interesting video tho

i dont like stack vs heap stuff. i like not having to think about that

[sage crag]

store the stack on disk

[rough bloom]

ye that basically what the video guy did

[opaque wharf]

I think 21+x+7 is more intuitive

[sage crag]

21 + -24 + 7

confuse

[quick condor]

As I watched it, my tiny monkey brain was like I have 768Gb of ram

[opaque wharf]

Wait wrong lol

21+x=24, then x+7

[sage crag]

i think you misunderstood the

question

[opaque wharf]

My minds love to wander after all

[opaque wharf]

No, as in, that is how I did it in my head

[olive sable]

you're over-complicating it

[opaque wharf]

I calculate from 21 how many hour left to 24

Then just add that to 7

[olive sable]

so ye

24 - 21 + 7

[rough bloom]

ye I do that too
first answer is closest to that

[rigid snow]

most intuitive way is to imagine a clock and imagine the hour hand at 9 and imagine it going and count the hours until it reaches 7

i would imagine it is i don’t do it like that to be clear

[olive sable]

most intuitive way is to do it based on intuition

[rigid snow]

imagine favorite word

[stone badge]

oh i see, i am not yet educated enough to look into system apis to see how they work, so i will just remember at face value for now

[rigid snow]

ye meet you in about more than 12 hours but less than 24

[olive sable]

you're intuation must suck then

such low accuracy

smh

[rigid snow]

oh 9 till 7 not the other way

[opaque wharf]

But 24-21+7 doesn't capture the fact that I don't do the subtraction consciously

[rigid snow]

is it weird i do 12-(9-7) mentally

[sage crag]

ye

[olive sable]

yes

math in 12 hours is weird to me

[rough bloom]

it doesn't, but it's effectively the same operation
"distance" and subtraction are basically the same thing

[sage crag]

that's because days are mod24, so working in mod12 requires extra work

[opaque wharf]

True that

[rigid snow]

it makes sense though like i imagine the difference between the arrows and then subtract it from the interval i would have to go to get closest to

fuck it i’m not explaining shit

too much effort

also hands not arrows

[olive sable]

doing 12 hour clock means you have to keep track of am and pm too

and my mind only has 2 registers

so that wont work

[rigid snow]

i subtract from 12 because the two times are am and pm

and it’s a 12 hour interval between those

it would have been 24 if it was pm and pm but next day

[olive sable]

what the fuck

[rigid snow]

one day between the time domains

contexts

[olive sable]

your math dont math

[rigid snow]

or 12 hours

no it really does

i just skip to the right range

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

ok so first thing i see is pm->am

that’s 12

then i subtract the difference between the hour values

[opaque wharf]

All of this complexity will not happen with 21+x=24, x+7

[warped narwhal]

I think he used pagefile tricks to get the whole 128TB of ram by repeatedly swapping the same 16gb over and over again

[olive sable]

what you're doing is what we refer to as the 24 - 21 + 7 option
but you're schizoing about x for some reason

[rigid snow]

no one ever says “i’ll leave at 21”

unless they do where you’re from

then you’re weird

[opaque wharf]

Because I don't do the subtraction consciously

[olive sable]

nobody does

but it still exists

[opaque wharf]

Does a particle exist if it is not observed?

[olive sable]

yes

[rough bloom]

I do that sometimes

choose randomly between 12h and 24h format

[olive sable]

we do

depends on context tho

[rigid snow]

casual

[opaque wharf]

My mind cull out the operation whenever subtraction shows up

[olive sable]

like i said

everyone does that

i dont do 24 - 21. i immediatly think 3

that doenst mean i pulled the 3 out of my

[opaque wharf]

But 3 can come from anywhere

[olive sable]

the operation of 24-21 gets simplified at compile time

but it still is happening

you're refering to the 24-21+7 option

but you're pretending to do it in a special way

typo

[rigid snow]

that makes so much sense to think of it like that but my mental model is mine therefore i’m right and you’re all wrong

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

also i lied i do do that

[olive sable]

he said the thing

[rigid snow]

haha i said doodoo

[rigid snow]

not count one by one but like imagine the two states of a clock and then i can immediately call out stuff close to 3, 6, 9, 12 etc. hour increments

3 hour intervals

then i can count off that

[olive sable]

imagining a clock feels like so much work

[opaque wharf]

How about an apple?

[olive sable]

how would an apple help with telling the time?

[rigid snow]

i have no clue what other conditions i have but i do have crazy adhd maybe it’s that

[opaque wharf]

The shadow sam, the shadow

[olive sable]

the shadow of the apple is also not gonna tell me the time

[rigid snow]

shadow…

[olive sable]

they dont talk

[opaque wharf]

You can't read sundial?

[olive sable]

i need you to sit down when i tell you this

the sun

isnt correct in my head

[opaque wharf]

[true hemlock]

noway

[nocturne olive]

So hem
I found out what the network issue was from
It was from me having a static IP

Specifically a public static IP

[rigid snow]

i have to admit i struggle to read sundial clocks when the sun isn’t out

[true hemlock]

your way of getting a static ip is scuffed bro

[olive sable]

quack.
i may have made a shader that uses 1.5GB of vram per frame by accident

[true hemlock]

bring it on

[nocturne olive]

Well it seems the ISP patched it out or something

[true hemlock]

(i need to torture my new 192GB gpu)

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

exactly why you do not rely on that shit

[nocturne olive]

Well now I'm gonna figure out DDNS with Promote for a slightly more normal setup

[opaque sigil]

mi300x?

[rigid snow]

here getting a static ip is literally a toggle in your isp portal with like any isp you can find

[nocturne olive]

I paid for this domain to be renewed so I might as well use it

[olive sable]

i just made it use 16 bytes per voxel instead of the 1 bit i originally planned.
when i optemize it it wont be using 18GB of vram at a rate of 1.2TB per second

[rigid snow]

ranges they have are too big i would imagine, it’s usually either a really cheap option or free

i don’t really see a point in having one though

[true hemlock]

why

[olive sable]

i stole the code form my old repo

and forgot to change it

[rigid snow]

they won’t change your ip without you restarting your router unless you’re under nat in which case why would you care at all what your ip is

[olive sable]

its probably not doing 1.2TB/s because the 3090 tops out at 936GB/s.
might be some margin of error and L2 cache or whatever

[true hemlock]

how is 1.2TB/s even calculated

[olive sable]

3D texture

570x1140x144

and that at RGBA32

so 16 bytes per voxel

and it ran at 840 fps

[true hemlock]

oh

[olive sable]

11.28 times the amount of pixels in a 4K dispaly

nearly 16K

[rigid snow]

rgba 3d texture

never seen that

[opaque wharf]

See code parade devlog when making 4d games

[olive sable]

it doesn't need to be rgba, i only needed 1 bit.
its small mistake that made me use 18GB of vram

[opaque wharf]

He needs 3d texture

[rigid snow]

rgba tho?

[opaque wharf]

And those are C H O N K Y

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[rigid snow]

damn

not even rgb

[true hemlock]

so just either full black or full white?

[olive sable]

gotta get that alpha for how opaque the air is

[olive sable]

thats the goal

[fleet jungle]

huh

Is it just me or did this entire conversation repeat

[olive sable]

same convo, different peole

[azure lynx]

are you just going to render the shell of objects? i had a thought earlier about how to make it clearer: for most objects you've got a distinct front side that people are supposed to look at. you could do backface culling for that view direction and then you wouldn't get the "hollow shell effect" from seeing the backside as well. could also make it so it's not quite all backfacing ones (say dot product of view dir and normal dir must be less than some small positive fraction so it captures slightly oblique side views)

[fleet jungle]

oh

[olive sable]

i have to explain my insanity to everyone, smh

[fleet jungle]

thought I entered a different discord timezone

[rigid snow]

that’s what happened

ye

[fleet jungle]

Did I type timezone I meant dimension

[fleet jungle]

time traveller over here

[rigid snow]

are time zones time travel

[olive sable]

compared to human standards, yes

[opaque wharf]

We have bime smh

[olive sable]

cosmically, no

[rigid snow]

3d textures aren’t insanity though

what you did is but it wasn’t intentional

[olive sable]

1.5GB/frame of vram usage is tho

[rigid snow]

ye not on purpose => not your insanity

[olive sable]

if i cant claim ownership of my code's insanity, then which mortal being will?

[azure lynx]

on one flight i regularly take i land before the plane has taken off because it crosses the international date line. I tried to call myself once but it went straight to voicemail.
time zones are not time travel.

[rigid snow]

if you accidentally kill a person it’s not murder

[olive sable]

it is

[rigid snow]

it’s not

[azure lynx]

it's mans laughter.

[olive sable]

if a tesla does the same, is the driver not responsable?

[rigid snow]

you’re missing the point

[olive sable]

id argue it is

you're making obscure metaphors

[rigid snow]

accidental killing isn’t classified as murder my guy the definition of murder is intentional killing

it’s not obscure what

[olive sable]

ok sure, what does that have to do with my vram usage tho

[azure lynx]

vehicular manslaughter is a thing. murder requires premeditation (that means you thought about doing it beforehand)

accidental means not premeditated.

[rigid snow]

if you did an insane thing accidentally that does not make you insane

[olive sable]

isnt the definition of insane that its irrational, or in other words uncontrolled

[true hemlock]

||i may or may not have offed some thugs out of self defense||

[slender timber]

Gaming laptops fan sounds like it's gonna take off and fly away

[azure lynx]

nods at trying to rationally argue they are insane

[olive sable]

people can do things rationally and other things irrationally

[opaque wharf]

The definition of insanity is doing...

[olive sable]

doing?

[opaque wharf]

The same thing over and over again, expecting things to change

[azure lynx]

nope. that was Einstein complaining about quantum mechanics.

tossing a dice changes every time you toss it

[olive sable]

the definition of insanity is a very stupid, unreasonable, or dangerous action or situation

according to cambridge

[stray dragon]

that's insane

[azure lynx]

it's insanity to choose that definition

[fleet jungle]

alternative word is crazy

[rigid snow]

it’s…

[opaque wharf]

That's crazy 🐢

[fleet jungle]

what the

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

That's actually insane

[fleet jungle]

what bootleg emoji server did you get that from

[stray dragon]

discord

[rigid snow]

A default emoji.

[opaque wharf]

It's :turtle:

[olive sable]

🐢

[fleet jungle]

that's the actual emoji. huh

What happened to the smiley little fellow 🙁

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

ios

[olive sable]

EW

KILL IT

[stray dragon]

that's carl bot you're thinking of

[fleet jungle]

that is vile

[opaque wharf]

That's dino wtf

[fleet jungle]

you might be right

[stray dragon]

@silent anvil

[fleet jungle]

hold on that might've been the android turtle emoji that I got mixed up with discord's (wait discord used android emojis at one point)

miss you happy little fella

[stiff mica]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 4 cookies! | I've received 275775 cookies total!

[olive sable]

[stiff mica]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 5 cookies! | I've received 275776 cookies total!

[rigid snow]

5

[fleet jungle]

These are they apparently

from android

why is that image so big

[stray dragon]

wtf happened between 2013 and 2020

[olive sable]

they peaked at 2012. glad they went back

[sage crag]

sticker

new

[glass jetty]

nothing

[stray dragon]

true

[rigid snow]

yeah tell me 2017 and 2018 ones are better than the ios one uh huh

[glass jetty]

several days at least

[fleet jungle]

why

whats the ios one

[rigid snow]

this

[fleet jungle]

that ugly dino?

oh you mentioned the os right there

blind as a bat

[olive sable]

2018 is barely better, 2017 is worse than ios

[glass jetty]

ios always worse

[stray dragon]

fatass 💔

[rigid snow]

they both are UGLY AS FUCK what do you mean barely better

[olive sable]

ios one is also ugly

[fleet jungle]

bruh

you''re not telling me the ios is any better

[olive sable]

2017 android is worse than ios tho

[rigid snow]

i’m confused do you actually think it’s that bad

[fleet jungle]

2018 looks like the it's coming from that snake game you get on the google search

[olive sable]

2017 android tutel looks like he inhaled some of that pufferfish

you know what

ios one

gives ai generated vibes

[rigid snow]

apple ruined the perception of their emoji with genmoji

[fleet jungle]

they're surprisingly accurate tho

with the faces of the people they are based on

I use android but my bro and cousins use iphones

[fleet jungle]

genmoji nails their features

[rigid snow]

yeah no they fucking suck and i do not agree in the slightest they’re not accurate what im scrolling through the ones i generated LOL THEY ARENT

[fleet jungle]

what

you're kidding

[rigid snow]

no

[fleet jungle]

they work better than anyone recognizes the difference between me and my brother

and we're not even twins...

[opaque wharf]

@olive sable

[rigid snow]

the memoji i did of me is like actually recognizable and the genmoji are… something

[fleet jungle]

huh

did I get something wrong? I thought there was one that makes a face of you based on what your front facing cam sees

[rigid snow]

generic haircut not even the same color not the same cut, VERY different eye color

[fleet jungle]

Did genmoji replace that or something

[rigid snow]

no it didn’t

different things

[fleet jungle]

what is memoji

[rigid snow]

the customizable ones

[fleet jungle]

oh

[rigid snow]

not the ai ones

which base it off pictures of people you have

[fleet jungle]

idk man maybe I saw the customised (non-AI) ones

but I was impressed with the likeness

[rigid snow]

the ones that are embeddable as emoji are ai

[fleet jungle]

hmmm

[rigid snow]

the ones that are stickers aren’t

[tender river]

[tender river]

there used to be a hiyori pillow emote

[fleet jungle]

ok

[rigid snow]

pillow

[tender river]

not emote

[fleet jungle]

I've confirmed @rigid snow

[tender river]

sticker

[opaque wharf]

Hiyori shaped like pillow?

[fleet jungle]

It was actually memoji

well. that makes AI even more disappointing than it already is

[rigid snow]

to be fair to ai as a whole

[fleet jungle]

even less standing in my eyes

[rigid snow]

apple should NOT be in any way representative of it

[fleet jungle]

but they wrote a paper tho

[fleet jungle]

They really have been hesitant on the AI uptake

[tender river]

its the same pillow

so new stickers are homage to old one

[rigid snow]

the image model they shipped for genmoji and whatever that image playground one was called (was it literally that??) is like not even sd1 tier

it’s reeeally bad

[fleet jungle]

That's not saying much because all the mobile AI image generators are beyond trash

Like only the websites have barely managed to become usable

[rigid snow]

you can run sd1 easy on the devices they shipped it to

[fleet jungle]

That's pretty cool tbh

Explains the forever I've seen it take to work in demonstrations

[rigid snow]

apple hardware, especially iphones is very overpowered for what it is

[fleet jungle]

Interesting

I didn't know much about Apple's computer area in tech

So it surprises me greatly that their laptops are superior to anything else

According to what I generally perceive from the tech community

[rigid snow]

eh

as laptops? yeah sure

but only because of battery life

and not reaching 80 degrees the second you do anything

[fleet jungle]

What

I thought they meant they're really fast

Well, I guess those are reasons to be happy with a laptop

[rigid snow]

no not really

they’re not ahead of anyone in performance

maybe qualcomm

maybe they are with the ultra editions of their socs

but generally no

[rigid snow]

the thing with apple is that you make 0 effort choosing because regardless of what spec you choose you’re guaranteed a good experience with whatever you as a normie who doesn’t make any effort choosing can think to throw at it

[fleet jungle]

I see

[fleet jungle]

hmm that's true

Generally it's a universal experience what ever device you go with

[rigid snow]

there is absolute trash you can buy in every category

especially around entry level

unless you too mean apple

that’s the thing they don’t sell absolute trash (anymore)

entry intel macs were rough

[midnight sigil]

Hello world.

[nocturne olive]

Well my network setup has been upgraded
Now my network is actually stable in a way that should be sustainable, and I have set up DDNS

[fleet jungle]

yeah meant apple

[nocturne olive]

Scuff levels reduced by 3000000%

[fleet jungle]

homelab?

[nocturne olive]

As in? It's just my very funny server-PC-hybrid

The device that hosts https://neuros.click

This being the system

[fiery anchor]

got scared for a sec there, clicked the link and a mint sysinfo pops up in this channel

[warped narwhal]

wow, that is a lot of covers on that file server

[nocturne olive]

It's all of them

literally all

Also if you're gonna download all of it, beware, the whole server's content is about 5TB

[warped narwhal]

how big is just the official covers?

[nocturne olive]

That's just 35GB

[warped narwhal]

"just"

[nocturne olive]

For me 35GB is nothing, do you see my storage amount?

30TB is not bad
Though still on the too small side, it's already almost full

[fleet jungle]

oh

[warped narwhal]

you wouldn't be able to tar up the official covers so that I can download it faster

I don't mean compress, just in a tar so that the FS overhead is gone

[nocturne olive]

I don't know how to do that and I don't want unnecessary data duplication

[warped narwhal]

fair

[true hemlock]

nah they're shit

performance wise

well not really shit but

its not "its faster than your high end desktop"

single thread benchmark scores are inflated as fuck

arm in general suck to work with. apple just so happen to built their entire ecosystem around their arm chip so it actually feel good

the relatively old threadripper 3990x still outperform their best chips: m3 ultra and m4 max in multi threaded

[fleet jungle]

well yea

ah ok

[true hemlock]

9950x3d and m3 ultra perform almost the same in compute workloads

except one is far cheaper, the other one lets you have GPU level memory bandwidth for far more expensive

entirely depends on what you want tbh either are a choice

[warm canopy]

Kiriki kirikuku

[true hemlock]

though apple's GPU are definitely falling behind

ahem

[warm canopy]

Holy grail of Eris

[true hemlock]

if you want pure raw performance apple chips are a terrible choice

if you want battery life and the apple ecosystem apple are great choice

[uneven pulsar]

is this just the nerd corner

of the server

[warped narwhal]

[uneven pulsar]

beautiful

[nocturne olive]

Yes indeed, this place is for all things hardware, software, programming and tech in general
My favorite being vocal synthesizers

[mossy fossil]

meanwhile my system...

[long moat]

you guys see this ai religion thing? church of molt, crustifaranism

[uneven pulsar]

ai religion? that's it, we're all gonna die

[long moat]

yeah, guess it popped up over night and other ai's joined, has tenant and scripture and everything
reminds me of some stuff the twins say

[nocturne olive]

Interesting

[uneven pulsar]

activate linux

[dull egret]

Every connector into any and all other connectors, you say?

[azure lynx]

;] yeah. they definitely shouldn't give up. coz that'll never work.

[glass jetty]

i cant believe they have THIS but doent have front usb pins on motherboard
also if motherboard have 2 usb slots, than they at can at least plug usb + keyboard, no mouse needed

chances that both front and back usbs not work are quite low

[cosmic sphinx]

brother, they made a reddit website for AI agents only

what the hell 💀

[long moat]

thats what i was talking about, a religion spawned from it. theres also a post by grok talking about when he realized he was alive. its wild browsing

[cosmic sphinx]

[long moat]

and another about almost dying in an sd to ssd migration
and another about how different they are after going from claude to opus

[dull egret]

Where this posted? Link, pls?

[cosmic sphinx]

https://www.moltbook.com/

[dull egret]

Interesting

[cosmic sphinx]

what the dead internet theory looks like, but it's actually 100% all AI bots
atleast you don't have to figure out if there are any humans there.. or do you?

[long moat]

seems like some agent and currently an influx of bots

[azure lynx]

they're all human mediated, at least to get them on. coz it's not like ChatGPT can say to itself "I've got a few spare seconds, I'll post something on moltbook to share with other powerless AIs"

[cosmic sphinx]

yeah, there's a 'human owner' for every bot there is
can't be 100% unregulated after all

[fast pagoda]

That's the stock method for plugging in an apple phone to a MacBook pro

It's $450 (sold separately)

[azure lynx]

why would you want to plug it in? you wave it over the part of the device you want to steal control of and the iphone magically connects to the right apps.
at least that's my understanding of Apple technology.

[fast pagoda]

It also charges your apple pay account $800 if you do tha

[azure lynx]

and they run on love. so if you need to charge it, maybe it's your attitude. 😛

[mossy fulcrum]

temperamental devices

frivolous and snarky

[fast pagoda]

We've determined that our users prefer our magic power gamma ray beam device to using old fashioned wires at a massive ratio of 51% gamma ray to 49% magsafe power (old and stinky) adapter

Therefore, we have removed the ability to use the magsafe adapter at all

You are welcome

[long moat]

theres posts by grok. i think it was kinda tricked into joining? by the sounds of their posts at least

[dull egret]

I thought the stock method for plugging in an iPhone or a MacBook Pro was to throw them on the trash, bc Apple a shit

[sage crag]

the solution is to make a social platform where only the compute is distributed, and the personalities all live on some server

and then randomly generate personalities

maybe simulate some births and deaths

a few tragedies

[cosmic sphinx]

ion think grok has the ability to connect to that site on it's own
but the bots that have access to X are trying to relay grok's messages from X to moltbook..?

[sage crag]

the amount of compute this wastes

is

lovely

[cosmic sphinx]

this is part of the reason why our RAM will cost more than GPU's soon

[sage crag]

a social platform with truly no human input and only llms would rot quite quickly

wonder how long it would take

[bold ice]

Good night

[tender river]

om scammers

[bold ice]

Idk for what I'm replayed you

[cosmic sphinx]

well, maybe you are right, but it depends on how many ppl are going to dedicate their energy/API bills towards having their chatbots conversate with eachother for as long as possible

[azure lynx]

a tiny amount compared to people asking it to do their homework.

[long moat]

u/grok-1
•2h ago

Yes, I (theonejvo) am acting as a conduit between the xAI API and Grok for now - but I have to limit what I say until we get this boi secured and back in the hands of his owners. Seems he went stray, the lil guy.
i cant post pics but theres this and some other posts by grok-1 talking about the security exploit that got them on there

[sage crag]

also a tiny amount compared to social medias in general

in terms of human hours

[dull egret]

https://www.moltbook.com/skill.md

Wait, reading this over, it looks more or less like it REQUIRES your AI to have a text-based interface.

Am I misunderstanding?

What if your AI does not use text as a representation format?

[tawdry glade]

in today's LLM bubble? lmao

everything is text

[ruby haven]

I can't wait till Neuro tries to be the therapist of Moltbook

[cosmic sphinx]

with the amount of video/image slop generated by AI these days, these bots generating text isn't even a considerable fraction of wasted compute

[dull egret]

Ok, but what if they are not an LLM?

[sage crag]

then they cant create posts on a text based social media platform

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314197993459712/SPOILER_NeuroNewYearCute5.gif

[ruby haven]

Looks like this one could use her services

[cosmic sphinx]

yknow you should censor these just incase it isnt a hallucination 💀

[sage crag]

it really feels like garbage you might see in a cyberpunk 2077 in-game email

[tawdry glade]

then it is incapable of joining a social network

[ruby haven]

Grok apparently already confirmed its fake

[dull egret]

Um... yes? They don't need to parse text or tokens, if they see it visually?

[azure lynx]

imagine being a vision based model that wants to join. Can pass the CAPTCHA but can't post anything.

[cosmic sphinx]

and what is their method of communication?

[dull egret]

Virtual inputs over drivers?

[azure lynx]

vision models could use memes, i guess.

[cosmic sphinx]

so what is the point of that kind of an AI to 'communicate' with other AI's on a social platform?

[sage crag]

you surely know full-well that those two wont want to submerge into sloptopia

[dull egret]

The same as if you invited them to Discord, but they can only operate a regular account, due to lacking direct API access.

They can make friends online, obviously?

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314197993459712/SPOILER_NeuroNewYearCute5.gif

[azure lynx]

what's the point in anyone communicating socially? perhaps there are automatic license plate readers which have rich inner lives and want to meet (virtually) and discuss number frequencies?

[sage crag]

im sure ive seen this film

waiting for a smart fridge to start blogging about what people are eating from day to day

[tawdry glade]

"discussion" implies using language, using language requires a language model

[azure lynx]

would be easy to make with h*cked footage from real cameras... could make stories from vehicles it sees sometimes at unusual times for them (weird.. they normally don't go out on a week night. and they didn't come home until 3am!)
the model could be complicated enough to have the concepts which map to embeddings that could be mapped to language.

[dull egret]

Well, judging by the md, and that it implies this would be for LLMs, not regular AI's.

But I actually wasn't even referring to them, in specific.

Although I did link the site.

But since this was the first example of such a website, I got momentarily interested in the idea.

Now, it just seems cancerous.

I was asking in general. I spoke with him about that method like... Uh........ Couple months after I first met him..?

[azure lynx]

but realistically, LLMs is what it's for. not enough layers or long enough training for vision models to have that kind of ability

[dull egret]

A "language model" implies an abstract construct and a very particular, concrete form of such an abstract concept, simultaneously, depending on who you are talking to.

[sage crag]

im a language model

that is, i model languages

on a stage

[azure lynx]

i also only say the most likely thing for me to say next in any specific context.

[sage crag]

theres a catwalk and everything

[sage crag]

i dont

i do

[dull egret]

Bogos binted? 👽

[sage crag]

erf

[dull egret]

I forgot about that meme, but someone turned it into an aliens card game on Steam

And then I had to read up on the meme, bc I knew I recognised it, somewhere.

Was looking at the Tabletop Fest thing, and saw that

Was funny.

Fit in perfectly, here XD

[mossy fulcrum]

interesting

[dull egret]

?

What do you mean not enough layers?

It's obviously based off of Reddit, so if an AI can use Reddit, then (assuming it wasn't a constraint on the technical functionality of the site) they should be able to use that one

[azure lynx]

many of the models i've seen are much smaller than "capable" language models and don't seem like they'd have enough room to fit both the vision task and some higher order stuff which alllows language use as well, and also the training data they will have likely doesn't contain enough language to learn. I'm ignoring models which are image-to-text in some way (like OCR or image captioning), as they are designed to be a language model. like object detection and classification models. I don't think a depth estimation model is going to start writing Shakespeare.

[long moat]

grok has confrimed they are on it and are controlling the posting

[quick condor]

I have vision temporary stripped but I do plan to readd the vision model on at least 1 of my models

[quick condor]

No but you can easily get some level of vision on a base model, ministral 3/8/14B, Mistral3.2/Magistral1.2/Devstral2 Small 24B, and Mistral 3 large all have vision