programming

[rigid snow]

no enshittification encountered either since i immediately ripped out all the ai shit upon installing

didn't receive any bad updates somehow

:PaidChatter:

for me the one that felt the clunkiest out of the three desktop oses has always been windows, now it has to be linux just because there's tons of software you use that suffers badly from "programmer ui"

[faint sandal]

idk I've never encountered anything horrible either

[glass jetty]

just use linux

ideally arch

arch is most user friendly, have 0 issues with anything except, some times, arch itself (all fixable within 5 min)

[burnt oasis]

Or stay on win10 like me
No updates = no problems

[opaque wharf]

I am not comfortable developing embedded systems using windows. And sometimes, the tooling breaks. But then sometimes I wish Linux would have a decent CAD

[tender river]

bricscad

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/hanayo-koizumi-anime-stretch-love-live-waking-up-gif-11238923897864908309

Goodmorning

[glass jetty]

meanwhile 3 pm

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

[opaque wharf]

I know, but I have to buy it first

I wanted to save up so I can buy their lifetime license

Which for my income, is not cheap. I can buy a car with that money lol

[sage crag]

eliv

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

nwero

[nocturne olive]

Copilot generated OS moment

[glass jetty]

[mighty thorn]

I like the tabs on file explorer and notepad

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile on Linux tabs in those things is also a thing

I think Windows was the later to add it

[glass jetty]

is there file explorer in linux? i just use console

[nocturne olive]

Terminal has tabs too
But also there's graphical file managers

[floral wraith]

mc so goatt its the file explorer in console

[glass jetty]

tabs

-# >But also there's graphical file managers
-# i know thx

[maiden geyser]

99.9% of loonix shills fail this little trick

[floral wraith]

i love my midnight commander and i wont change

[opaque wharf]

Dolphin

[glass jetty]

dolphin have console in it

so dolphin is a good viewer

just open console and it automatically follow cd

but there no point in installing anything over than
plasma-desktop, gwenview, dragon and spectacle

[frozen hollow]

I can't remember what they did with FreeCAD but it's like a fundamentally different system to autodesk's in approaching the issue and I am not here for the headache

to do with parent/child type stuff

And they're not wrong or more or less valid just different iirc

[visual pawn]

I'd love to like freeCAD but I've never been able to get the hang of it compared to fusion

Maybe because I first learned CAD from autocad

[opaque wharf]

What's dragon?

[glass jetty]

video

[opaque wharf]

I am capable of transitioning between many CAD system. It's the performance that kills it for me

FreeCAD is just not good at utilizing resources for complex assembly

[frozen hollow]

yeah this basically

[silent cloak]

I want to get into CAD at some point

[frozen hollow]

this is very much a side skill for me I don't have the energy for it

[opaque wharf]

FreeCAD still hangs a lot when doing complex work like electrical panel design

[opaque wharf]

You can do it now from the browser. onshape is free and only need web browser

It is good for basic stuff

[visual pawn]

Yeah it's a very neat side skill to have

Especially when paired with s 3D printer

[silent cloak]

Thats my use case atm

[visual pawn]

And more reliable than attempting to model things with fucking boolean operations lol

[silent cloak]

Kek

[burnt oasis]

PC User: why buy RAM when you can buy gpu cards which have cheaper and faster RAM
||*also sarcasm*||

[silent cloak]

Just use swap memory

[burnt oasis]

R.I.P. hdd users

3000rpm RAM

[real sierra]

I said this too and then someone taught me about SDD write limits

had me feeling real nihilistic for the rest of the night

[burnt oasis]

Happy BDay, Shiro!

Now i've fulfilled my newbie main task

[glass jetty]

btw that is the reason why i not have swap file on 16gb
but for 8gb it should be here, i just set lower swappiness

cat notes/system_resources/arch_install/99-*
vm.swappiness=10
vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs=1500

[real sierra]

[glass jetty]

happy birthday shiro!

[visual pawn]

just use swap memory with this instead, ez: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-RAM

[real sierra]

we should just go back to delay line memory

[opaque wharf]

I use swap to be able to hybernate

[glass jetty]

developers just should start to respect memory usage
linux use 200 mb, idk how many it allocate but it use 200
and plasma on top use extra 500-600 mb

[floral wraith]

fr tho

[proven merlin]

ZRAM, just download more ram :)

Well in most cases its not even download, its just enable.

[amber fractal]

Randomly came up with this from the old saying. I return to eep gn.

N times a _____

-2: Clueless
-1: Discovery
0: Thought
1: Curiosity
2: Confidence
3: Pattern
4: Obsession
5: Habit

[proven merlin]

(for those who dont know, but are too lazy to search, ZRAM steals a customizable, dynamic amount of your ram to create a ram disk, which can be compressed with as example lz4 or zstd and then can be used as a swap disk :)

[silent cloak]

Gotta love those

Then a sector gets locked in read only

[glass jetty]

i heard some one download whole film into gpu ram

[real sierra]

ram via page file ❌
rom via page file ✅

[hard raptor]

welcome to microslop everyone

[glass jetty]

can happen to any website

not directly relate to llm anyhow

[hard raptor]

yes.. but microsoft is the only one that does this consistently for me

[glass jetty]

oh, well, than it different

[hard raptor]

i never said it had anything to do with llm

[real sierra]

yo

anyone familiar with itch io

[glass jetty]

yeah, i know lona rpg published there

[real sierra]

I went to make an account and my username is reserved

along with most simple modifications of it

or I guess specifically it says

"Username is in use or unable to be used for an account"

so like

has someone gone and made like 50 different accounts that are variants of my username

or has itch reserved it for me somehow

[glass jetty]

@real sierra i give you 2 min to register shlro

or i will regester it myself

[real sierra]

bruh I'm not doing shlro

[glass jetty]

[real sierra]

terrible SEO

level 0 branding

[rough bloom]

you can visit the profile pages, and they show various different registration dates, so probably random old accounts that never uploaded anything

[glass jetty]

basically 2014 year dead acc

i have so unique name that no one ever steal it

-# ||(i made up verkys long ago btw)||

[glass jetty]

now it is no longer available for you

[real sierra]

they don't exist

[glass jetty]

https://shiro.itch.io

[real sierra]

i wasn't going to use shiro

that's not my username

just "shiro" is gonna be taken on every platform already, that's a given

[rough bloom]

oh ye, shiro_nya doesn't currently exist, but is still "used"

[real sierra]

see this is why I'm going schizo

did they reserve my username for me?

[real sierra]

I don't think variants with more _ are in use either

[rough bloom]

why is shiro_________________nya not available

[real sierra]

exactly

this is what I mean

it feels delusional to think they reserved it for me

but I can't explain all of this otherwise

underscores are allowed in usernames, it's specially mine that gets this

do you think I email their support?

and ask?

[rough bloom]

ye I think that's best

[opaque sigil]

inb4 deleted account

[opaque wharf]

Gone, but not forgotten

[real sierra]

if they know me what do I do

[opaque wharf]

Pretend dead

[real sierra]

I'm not ready for that kind of notoriety

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

it's probably just something dumb like "oh we blocked this specific format of usernames because xyz"

or maybe "we block usernames that are similar to GitHub usernames to ensure users can sign up with GitHub accounts and not encounter username conflicts"

but that seems unlikely

[opaque wharf]

That would be stupid

[rough bloom]

erm___________________nya is allowed
shiro_nyaa also allowed

[real sierra]

yeah there's workarounds

but it still doesn't explain it

why is my username blocked

[opaque wharf]

Quick, register shiro_nyaa and ransom it

[real sierra]

they must've heard how ass fumoquest development has been going and been like "oh hell nah we can't let that on our platform"

[opaque wharf]

For the low low price of three fiddy you can have that username

[real sierra]

if itch charged me for my username I would cry

[opaque wharf]

I hate the concept of premium domain for this exact reason. Like, wdym a 3 letter domain cost an entire year salary?

[real sierra]

man I can't wait to hear back from that support ticket

[real sierra]

the response will probably just be "that username isn't valid, here are some similar valid suggestions"

rich

[opaque wharf]

Damn, neuro got that pile o ram

[potent geyser]

and you can play the birthday card as well.

[true hemlock]

don't forget the GDDR dram wafer

[real sierra]

no I can't

[fleet jungle]

alright millionaire

[olive sable]

it was only 1pm for me

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

How to confuse someone 101:
22.00 PM

[olive sable]

my discord didnt want to launch

so i had to do

mkdir -p ~/.config/discord/0.0.117/modules
echo '{"installed":{}}' > ~/.config/discord/0.0.117/modules/installed.json

the update thingy is bad

[obsidian mantle]

bool based programming

[opaque wharf]

I have never used the client. Only ever the web. Seriously, people dunk on app bloat all the time but the web is usable

[real sierra]

that's basically all 3SAT is

only a modest generalization

[olive sable]

Rebooting my pc was a bad idea

[olive sable]

In terms of io, we have no io

No keyboard or mouse

No display

[obsidian mantle]

ram sama

can they chill with this shit

im tired boss

[rough bloom]

surely you can see your bootloader at least

[olive sable]

Nope

[rough bloom]

no UEFI either?

[olive sable]

Nah

[rough bloom]

[opaque wharf]

How?!

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

By chance, do you have iGPU on the CPU?

[olive sable]

My keyboard nor mouse are lighting up, and the only things my dosplays show is DP input

[olive sable]

Nope

[rough bloom]

is it just memory training?
surely the fans are spinning at least

[olive sable]

Ye the fans are spinning

Hard drive makes noise too

Besides that nothing

[opaque wharf]

How long for a desktop tho? I think Sam only has 64GB of RAM no?

[olive sable]

64gb ddr4

So memory training shouldnt take too long

[rough bloom]

should usually be fast but I've heard of it taking obnoxiously long on some boards

but would be unusual for DDR4

[olive sable]

Why would it even be doing memory training randomly?

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, but not showing the initial UEFI is what worries me

[warped narwhal]

If you press the power button, does it turn off

[olive sable]

Ye

[rough bloom]

boards will just do that, it happens

[olive sable]

[strange bison]

Do you guys actually learn programming here?

curious

[olive sable]

Partially

[opaque sigil]

no

[warped narwhal]

I have a similar setup to you, and memory training takes about 30 seconds

[silent cloak]

we mostly just talk about it

many of us already have backgrounds

[olive sable]

Its not really the learning, its more feedback and help

[strange bison]

My lil bro is better than me at coding

[olive sable]

Skill issue

[rough bloom]

should be close to this for consumer DDR4

[strange bison]

I'm already struggling as an engineer lol

[opaque wharf]

Well as you can see, the things we do here on a daily basis is doing shitpost or banter with everyone for fun

[silent cloak]

both is just problem solving

[strange bison]

I see

[silent cloak]

coding is just actually writing down the instructions to solve said problem

[olive sable]

I guess ill reset the bios?

[opaque wharf]

We do however provide resource for anyone who wanted to learn

[silent cloak]

thats why alot of Sr devs dont even write code

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, did you have fwupd installed?

[olive sable]

A what?

[opaque wharf]

A software called fwupd. Firmware updater

[olive sable]

No

[opaque wharf]

Wait, do you have win11 installed?

[olive sable]

On my 2nd drive ye

[opaque wharf]

Have you booted it recently?

[olive sable]

No

[real sierra]

sam

[olive sable]

Last time was 2 weeks ago or so

[real sierra]

perfect

I have a question for you

[opaque wharf]

Then I have no idea what might cause it

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

I went to sign up for itch io

[opaque wharf]

What's heavier?

[real sierra]

but my username and all similar variants are "unavailable or in use"

[opaque wharf]

A kilogram of steel, or a kilogram of feathers?

[real sierra]

but none of them have profile pages

explain

[real sierra]

depends on local gravity

[silent cloak]

prob privated

[olive sable]

When someone changes their name, the old one keeps being in use

[real sierra]

if the feathers are closer to an extremely massive singularity then they may have more weight

[olive sable]

Redirects to the new name

And deleting an account might also keep names in use

Not sure

[real sierra]

shiro_nya with any amount of _ is unavailable

are you telling me someone made an account for each of these and then deleted them all?

or someone renamed their account through all of them?

[olive sable]

Are _ even allowed in itch names?

[real sierra]

_ are valid in other usernames

just not mine

"shironya" doesn't work either tho

same issue

[olive sable]

Displayname vs username im pretty sure

[real sierra]

no

I meant username

I can enter a username containing _

it's specifically my username

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

it's suspicious right

[olive sable]

https://shiro_nya.itch.io/

Ye it doesnt even redirect

I think just contact itchio support?

[real sierra]

yeah I sent them an email, waiting for a reply

a small part of me is worried they know of me somehow and reserved it

but I'm not delusional enough to believe that

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

I just have no other theories

if the support ticket comes back with "happy birthday" though I'm going to explode

[robust bobcat]

I suspect you are running into a problem of statistics here.

[real sierra]

how do you figure

[robust bobcat]

Shiro, is a culturally popular name. Itch has been around for a long time. Usernames are permanent and non-recycling.

[real sierra]

I know Shiro is a popular username

but surely my full username isn't that commonly used

it seems totally improbable that all of these have been used

and it doesn't explain why none of the profiles exist, unless they've just been inactive so long they got deactivated

how do you explain that shiro____________________nya is reserved but shiro_nyaa is not

it's like anything matching regex ^shiro[_]*nya$ /i is blocked

[fervent jolt]

Yo

[opaque wharf]

My explanation is it's out of spite lol

[robust bobcat]

the names are checked against normalized slugs plus a reserved-pattern table.

[real sierra]

you know a surprising amount about how this works

lol

that or you're speculating? but it doesn't sound like it

[robust bobcat]

Well this is common for user databases?

[obsidian mantle]

maybe the reason they give you is incorrect

[opaque wharf]

What if he is the one that reserve it?

[obsidian mantle]

whatever error happened = name busy

[real sierra]

zyle how could you do this to me

[void bramble]

Yo, has anyone used ChromaDb? Is it useful for quick memory? Im coding an ai bot for my friends rn

[obsidian mantle]

cant parse name string = name busy

server crashed = name busy

[robust bobcat]

I didn't do this.

[real sierra]

then what error is only happening to my username

[obsidian mantle]

try vitu_______________________ha

[olive sable]

If my cpu died, surely the debug lights would show an error?

[obsidian mantle]

fucking discord

[opaque wharf]

This is surprisingly probable

If they follow OWASP, then that is used to prevent enumeration attack

[obsidian mantle]

maybe shiro means something bad in some little pacific island country idk

[olive sable]

Hi

[real sierra]

Len must be between 2 to 25 chars

[opaque sigil]

lol

[obsidian mantle]

[robust bobcat]

If shiro_nya and every variant including any number of underscores are all reserved, they are likely just stripping all the extra underscores down to a single one.

[obsidian mantle]

you can fix it

[obsidian mantle]

yeah same shit

[olive sable]

I can see them

[opaque wharf]

Me too

[olive sable]

They said "Hi"

[opaque sigil]

mobile?

[void bramble]

bye Mary

[olive sable]

Ye

My pc is dead

Remember?

[opaque sigil]

i do not

but have fun

[olive sable]

I wont

[opaque wharf]

Have you finally reset the BIOS?

[olive sable]

No

[real sierra]

shironya is also reserved so it's possible they strip all special chars

[olive sable]

Need to find the jumper

[void bramble]

have fun without computah is crazy. I can't live without my PC lol

[olive sable]

Im in the mobo booklet rn

[olive sable]

Its kinda my job so i do need it too

[opaque wharf]

THEN WHY ALLOW IT LMAO

[proven merlin]

Yeah you can also use vram as a ramdisk. Is it useful? Idk rarely ig

Enderman installed i believe XP into vram that way

[opaque wharf]

On episode of today I learned, tapping shift twice in a row acts like a caps lock on android

[real sierra]

can't wait for support to tell me I'm just straight up banned or something

[robust bobcat]

This happens a lot, especially when the username is going to become a URL

[olive sable]

It breefly showwed a code on my debug leds

First cp light, then dram and gpu at the same time

Now they're off again

[opaque wharf]

Can't wait to find out the issue

[opaque sigil]

this reminds me of when my pc was dying and i got to buy one of those mobo speakers

(it broke after 5 minutes)

[proven merlin]

Let me guess, wire broke?

[opaque sigil]

yeah it snapped

flimsy mf

[proven merlin]

Yeap, thats what happens to em.. soldering iron time, and copius amounts of hotglue.

[opaque sigil]

nah it died after i was done with it so it's just lying in a drawer somewhere now, ded

maybe one day

[proven merlin]

I already know youll probably hate urself for not fixing it before, when you need it lol

But fair enough

[opaque sigil]

hopefully won't happen

[olive sable]

Resetting bios didnt work

[real sierra]

not that it's evidence against this being the case, but the url presented by itch does contain any underscores in the username

actually

there is a user registered as shironya

maybe you're right

scammed out of my username

[robust bobcat]

Oh that's even worse

that means Usernames are compared after canonicalization, not as raw strings.

[opaque wharf]

Got any spare pc?

[olive sable]

A laptop

Not the point tho

Ill fix this one

Or try to

[opaque wharf]

Well, I am suggesting you strip the current PC but the CPU and 1 stick of ram

Then adding other component one by one

But also, check the cpu first

[olive sable]

its alive. Resetting bios worked the 2nd time

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/shuukura-shuukura-picmix-sendai-hazuki-miyagi-shiori-gif-8855754228921947924

[olive sable]

Let see if xmp kills it

Seems to be fine

Welp, that was weird

Lets hope it doesnt happen again

[boreal sapphire]

So ummm I had an idea for a way of doing info storage that would be more human readable with a side of network science graphs to possibly create actual synaptic connection simulation for connection memories i got the idea from using obsidian not taking im asking how feasible and complex

It would be

[opaque wharf]

Like a graph database? Neo4j?

[obsidian mantle]

is it slower than sql

[opaque wharf]

Depends on what you do

Even so, PostgreSQL has apache AGE

[opaque sigil]

being able to avoid joins could be nice ig

if you need a lot of those

[boreal sapphire]

Should have mentioned this but I know next to nothing about programming other than the names of the super popular language names

[obsidian mantle]

i read it as "being able to avoid jsons could be nice ig"

[opaque sigil]

that too

[olive sable]

i did clean the dust filter yesterday
extra moisture in the incoming air fucked up the ram timings???

[obsidian mantle]

cleaning dust is scary

[opaque wharf]

Nah, that would be disastrous if a little humid air makes a system go haywire

[olive sable]

i mean

the ryzen 5000 memory controller is known for being bad

[opaque wharf]

It may be a memory issue, but due to moisture? I don't know. Maybe it's the usual wear and tear due to age. Linus torvalds is right, we need ECC for consumer system

[real sierra]

I don't really understand the idea from this brief description

it sounds like a graph where the nodes are augmented with metadata

that's pretty standard

[boreal sapphire]

I'm not sure what else I could say im not knowledgeable in Ai engineering or programming but I was just wondering cause im very interested in learning more about them

[real sierra]

AI is such a blanket term nowadays it's hard to pin it to one technology

[boreal sapphire]

My idea was for simulating memories with linked emotion for I think agi

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, graphDB like Neo4j literally does that. Node with metadata and also edge can have metadata

[real sierra]

in my personal opinion, feature vectors and embeddings in those spaces are one of the best techniques that you can study to gain some insight on how complicated information dynamics can be approximated in an efficient way

[opaque wharf]

That would be ANN

Artificial Neural Network

[boreal sapphire]

Ok thanks

[nocturne olive]

AMD memory controllers are known for being bad

Applies to all AM5 chips too

[olive sable]

ive heard am5 is not as bad

[sage crag]

can you describe in more detail

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

[olive sable]

i think this is a key disclaimer

[rare bramble]

graph databases?

[frozen hollow]

At least it’s upfront!

[olive sable]

[boreal sapphire]

I wish I could but I don't know enough

[sage crag]

[boreal sapphire]

About the topics

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

I like the implication that babies are already smart enough to do ritual lol

[nocturne olive]

AM5 when 4 sticks: 3000 MHz

That's what happened to Azaka anyway

has also confirmed, AMD's mem controller on AM5 is worse than Intel's

[olive sable]

tha am5 mem controller is simply jsut better than the am4 one

yes its worse than the intel one

[nocturne olive]

Well of course, it has to run DDR5

[olive sable]

but thats not the argument

[nocturne olive]

You in fact do need a better memory controller to handle DDR5, who could have ever guessed

[olive sable]

"not as bad" is comparative clause

since im comparing it to am4

it seems like this argument is pointless anyways

since according to some quick searches, the am5 memory controller handles 4 sticks not as good as am4, eventho the memory controller is better

[nocturne olive]

DDR5 4 sticks just sucks

Unless you actually have 4 mem channels of course

[olive sable]

i guess

[faint sandal]

is cloudflare dead again

i'm getting ssl handshake error across multiple websites

[olive sable]

i dont think so?

huh

well, a website that i know uses cloudflare still works

[lament igloo]

guys i think typescript is goated

[rough bloom]

looks fine to me too (sample size 1)

[lament igloo]

started using it recently

typescript not only IS javascript but works better at dynamic image generation on cloudflare workers

still sticking on JS tho cus compatibility but id work with typescript for backends

[rough bloom]

wdym works better
it's JS with extra checks
except enums but we don't talk about enums

[rough bloom]

shouldn't have to
everyone uses TS for development and then compiles to JS

"compiles" used very loosely
(it's basically just removing the TS-specific tokens, except enums, we again do not talk about enums)

[opaque sigil]

surely one day browsers will be able to just run typescript natively

[nocturne olive]

TypeScript should work for anything that supports JavaScript from what I'm aware due to its ability to compile to JavaScript

[rough bloom]

even if they could, minification would remove the types

[opaque sigil]

that's fine

[rough bloom]

would be convenient for the 3 people writing JS without any build step

[opaque sigil]

the fact that you need to manually turn ts into js is kind of absurd

[rough bloom]

do we have to talk about enums

[opaque sigil]

if you use them for numbers they don't restrict the numbers you can pass in at all, and when you use them for strings they don't let you pass in the corresponding literals, that's the main two ones iirc

tldr: just use const objects

[rough bloom]

they're also one of the few features (maybe the only one?) that really transforms the TS instead of just stripping tokens

[opaque sigil]

iirc namespaces do too

unless they changed it

[rough bloom]

very possible, I've never used either

[opaque sigil]

i've only used namespaces for adding env var autocomplete I think

[sick owl]

Every time I see this tweet a part of my soul dies

[opaque sigil]

he better be handling negative numbers too

[sage crag]

what about -0

what about e

[kind fable]

i mean i agree, a switch case with fallthrough would be more efficient /j

[opaque sigil]

e is not an int you silly

[sage crag]

it can be

[kind fable]

'e' is an int

[opaque sigil]

[frozen hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/marikiplier-e-meme-lord-farquaad-gif-22138504

[burnt oasis]

why are you posting pirateSoftware's code here?

[cosmic sphinx]

vibe coding before AI:

[sick owl]

I would say maybe he's a case where vibe coding might actually be an upgrade but rubbish in rubbish out applies here

If he can't figure that out I doubt he's even smart enough to prompt an llm properly

[kind fable]

you guys game me my next idea for the obfuscated c code competition

thank you

e

[sick owl]

https://mistral.ai/news/debugging-memory-leak-in-vllm

Also

[hollow matrix]

[hollow matrix]

AINTNEURWAY

[sick owl]

Tescos technology experts

[hollow matrix]

[sage crag]

i love it when

very helpful

i can tell exactly what went wrong

[hollow matrix]

Gotta love when it's descriptive

[sage crag]

the build doesnt fail

but it also doesnt create a build output

[hollow matrix]

huh

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

does hbc not have a custom build script thing
blame that

[hollow matrix]

So I wouldn't count that as the build really succeeding either

[sick owl]

So apparently earlier last year a university in Brazil was having server difficulties, and this is what they found when they went to check out their rack

[sage crag]

zig build install --release=safe --system ${deps}

[hollow matrix]

Is that a sloth

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1277044182527246358.webp?size=48&name=minyanstare&lossless=true

[sick owl]

Yep

[hollow matrix]

How tf does that even get in there

[sick owl]

Beats me

Lemme see if I can find the article

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/sloth-gets-caught-in-server-rack-in-brazilian-university-data-center/

They don't even say how on earth it got there

[hollow matrix]

[sage crag]

ye zig build install doesnt generate an artifact

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1277044182527246358.webp?size=48&name=minyanstare&lossless=true

[hollow matrix]

btw why is ur name wrrrr wrr now

[rare bramble]

there are many car repair shops with shop-dogs, cant a datacenter have a datacenter-sloth

[sick owl]

Apparently there's a glass door next to the room leading to the open halls

So I guess he climbed in through the window and made his way in there

[quick condor]

Makes sense, mistral's focus is great for adding Ai features to an existing stack without making it 100% ai

[hollow matrix]

But its an enclosed computer case isn't it?

Or are there gaps?

[sick owl]

Nah its an open server rack

[hollow matrix]

MitoOhISee

[hollow matrix]

Oh, I was looking at it the wrong way, I thought it was a computer case and a very tiny sloth

[azure lynx]

very slowly probably

[sage crag]

i fixed it

by downgrading the compiler

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

@stray dragon how much latency do you usually observe from playit

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

i don't really have anything to compare it to

not like i can port forward here

i can compare ping for local server ip to ping for playit ip

[real sierra]

im just noticing that my latency is incredibly high when using it as part of my hosting solution

a consistent 300ms

the data centre in use is new york so it's not terribly far

[proven merlin]

It was a leftover 10BASE-T Cable. Clearly.

[stray dragon]

i'm seeing 0ms from local ip, 4ms from playit ip

i thought those would be higher tbh

[real sierra]

fascinating

[stray dragon]

let me try a different server

[real sierra]

i wonder what's up with this latency then

i was seeing packet loss crazy spikes earlier too

up to 33%

[rough bloom]

tbf ping won't really tell you the real latency since playit seems to be a L4 proxy, it can be wildly inaccurate

can just have unlucky routing too
happens to me with Cloudflare all the time

[stray dragon]

the only times i've had players have connection issues are with a guy from portugal (former hoster of the modded mc servers, i had connection issues frequently on his servers and other people had them to a lesser degree) and a guy from australia (who happens to play without an ISP, and instead makes a mobile hotspot on his phone to get access over mobile data and connects to that hotspot on his computer)

[real sierra]

would you expect the real latency to be lower or higher than what is shown

[rough bloom]

higher

[real sierra]

that's not an improvement of the situation then

[rough bloom]

ping will just tell you the RTT to the playit node, which then additionally has to do some internal processing + the trip to the actual game server

-# pingit

[real sierra]

so the actual RTT is gonna be 2x(ping) + epsilon

thats like 600ms

[rough bloom]

[real sierra]

its so over

[rough bloom]

possible (likely even) that latency from playit to the game server is practically nothing
just can't tell with ICMP Ping

[stray dragon]

another modpack to check another server, 1ms local 4ms playit

[rough bloom]

-# I keep writing pingit

[stray dragon]

lol

[real sierra]

you're using playit free right

[stray dragon]

yeah

(i am in denver)

[hollow matrix]

oh, this guy is fucked https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsHelp/comments/1qjgasq/weird_screen_and_feels_like_someone_else_is/

Someone is remoting into their windows desktop

[real sierra]

pull the plug

[hollow matrix]

Reading the comments apparently they are logged in with their company email so it could be an attack targeted towards that company

[real sierra]

knowing reddit half the comments are probably "why are you making stuff up for clout?"

[hollow matrix]

[real sierra]

this feels so good to play on a full screen instead of the tiny editor window, gotta make some UI tweaks for sure tho

[hollow matrix]

Actually, essentially all the comments are just giving the advice of disconect from the internet and wipe the install completly

[hollow matrix]

[stray dragon]

but yeah not sure how you'd improve the ping besides getting better luck with the routing

maybe it's a temporary issue

[real sierra]

yeah the ping is very odd

[hollow matrix]

329ms seems long

[real sierra]

actually

do you wanna try pinging the public server

i can send you the host and port

[stray dragon]

yeah

[real sierra]

dmed

[hollow matrix]

[silent cloak]

bro should of used the built in networking tools

[stray dragon]

should've*

smh

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/sillycat-gif-16450871626103949888

[real sierra]

@sage crag

is that dedicated server still on the table

[sage crag]

yesh

its not a dedicated server its a vps

[real sierra]

can u try pinging something from it for me

[sage crag]

yes, give me a minute to log in though

it signs me out of the web console every time

i also

havent got an os installed on it right nowq

lol

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

debian, rocky, ubuntu, or alma

pick one

[real sierra]

im most familiar with ubuntu

sorry if that offends u

[sage crag]

it does

[real sierra]

i thought it might

[sage crag]

ubuntu it is

[sage crag]

while you wait please listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F50bCrlTbIs

[sage crag]

what do you want me to ping

[real sierra]

will dm

[real sierra]

hi programmers

[fiery anchor]

sup

[real sierra]

have any of you actually run a unity game in linux

[fiery anchor]

hmmm i think? why

if the lists are correct, quite a few.

[real sierra]

hold that thought

[fiery anchor]

[real sierra]

ok yeah so

my linux build is simply not opening

[fiery anchor]

that's vague

[real sierra]

there's not many more details to offer

[sage crag]

if youre talking about running it in the vps, you dont have a display server

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1367165243741962310.webp?size=48&name=evilAYAYA&lossless=true

[real sierra]

makes sense

can a unity project even be headless

[rough bloom]

ye it can

[real sierra]

how

wait im learning

[rough bloom]

-nographics I think

but not sure if thats meant for servers

[fiery anchor]

i feel attacked.

[real sierra]

no theres a specific dedicated target

[rough bloom]

should have a server mode thing too though if thats not it

The Dedicated Server build target is similar to the desktop headless mode

it same thing

[sage crag]

similar

https://tenor.com/view/classic-ef-where-is-it-yuri-where-the-yuri-at-korone-gif-23665600

[rough bloom]

The only difference is that the Dedicated Server build target is optimized to increase memory and CPU performance when running as a networked application.

same thing

[real sierra]

no yuri in fumoquest yet... sorry...

[sage crag]

if you give the server and client girl mascots

it becomes yuri

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1154436961277313126.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=evilSlam&lossless=true

[real sierra]

why is linux dedicated server build support module 500mb

you would think there isnt that much to add that isnt already on client

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1339512171213754399.gif?size=160&name=evil+clown+jam&lossless=true

unity

https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/export/exporting_for_dedicated_servers.html
just saying

[real sierra]

i dont even know if thats the download size or uncompressed size

[fiery anchor]

wasting resources saves money, if they aren't yours

[real sierra]

oh

most of it is

...microsoft visual studio 2022?

unity wtf

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1421780084745961582.webp?size=48&name=AtorinConfused&lossless=true

[real sierra]

unity please

i dont want to use visual studio

you can't do this to me

im actually cancelling the installer

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/30000-usd-gif-13674633028161831364

[hard raptor]

Yooo they absolutely cooked with Hytale

[real sierra]

closed installer but unity still says it's installed

ok then

i trust unity

[stray dragon]

it came free with your unity

[olive sable]

"yet"

[stray dragon]

smh

[sage crag]

thats because yuri can always be added to a game later in development

[real sierra]

gotta keep all doors open for writing the lore

[olive sable]

esteemed people of #programming , we need to mod yuri into fumoquest

[hard raptor]

Only problem i have with it is that currently the flatpak installer is broken, so i had to boot into windows

[real sierra]

modding fumoquest

[sage crag]

there will be no need to mod it

[real sierra]

you would hate the way code is arranged

[sage crag]

hosting it on my vps, i'll simply inject yuri

[real sierra]

please do not MITM yuri into the data stream ty

[olive sable]

i can always replace the png files you're using for textures

[stray dragon]

can you also inject "happy birthday shiro"

[sage crag]

every packet will come with a 1920x1080 image of the lesbian pride flag

[real sierra]

i can't stop you from changing your local textures...

[olive sable]

indeed you cant

[sage crag]

how many?

[stray dragon]

at least 7000 please

[sage crag]

we can do a lot more

[hard raptor]

69⁴²⁰

[stray dragon]

i leave the exact details up to you

[sage crag]

"happy birthday shiro" is 20 characters, or 20 bytes, which can be fit into 1440.17 Mbit 180,021,300 times

if i consume the entire bandwidth

[real sierra]

The Dedicated Server build target is similar to the desktop headless mode. The only difference is that the Dedicated Server build target is optimized to increase memory and CPU performance when running as a networked application.

thats it?

i mean that's useful but

[hard raptor]

This doesn't even calculate on my calculator lmao

[real sierra]

i neither understand what that has to do with being headless

[rough bloom]

180,021 kilobirthdays/s

[real sierra]

nor why it took 500mb to do that

[real sierra]

you cannot start making units like this

the final fragments of my sanity

i can feel them floating away

[hard raptor]

Dam

[sage crag]

why not 180 megabirthdays/s

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1154436961277313126.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=evilSlam&lossless=true

[opaque sigil]

big number better

[olive sable]

megabirthdays sounds awsome

[sage crag]

wrr

0.18 gigabirthdays/s

[real sierra]

[hard raptor]

Poor Shiro

[sage crag]

i know how to increase this infinitely using compression

the first step is to

[hard raptor]

Wait.. they gonna add tinkers construct to vanilla hytale dam

[sage crag]

send "happy birthday shiro" and then append " x∞"

easy

[real sierra]

i-

the dedicated server build is larger than the client build...

[olive sable]

5681.030 terabirthdays per year

[rough bloom]

optimized

not for size

[real sierra]

optimized for bad

[fiery anchor]

for usage

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

its because unity added an extra 300mb of birthdays

[hard raptor]

I—can—talk—like—ai

[fiery anchor]

are there debug builds with unity? maybe it's that

[real sierra]

now i need actually modify the code so a dedicated server work

[real sierra]

there are, but these are release builds

[sick owl]

[real sierra]

the test cycle is gonna be really slow on this

[sage crag]

fumoquest rewrite gamejam please

[real sierra]

i better get it right the first time

[sick owl]

Someone has a virus for sure

There's just no way

[sage crag]

ye virus called

keepalive

[olive sable]

[sick owl]

That wouldn't be blocked by the pihole

[olive sable]

i should order some new fans for my pc

[sick owl]

Look at the query types

And the percentages

[sage crag]

this is 9% of my dns queries

[sick owl]

Holy

[sage crag]

those are all blocked of course

those are in the last 30 days

here are the most frequent dns queries

all i can say is, discord is destroying my dns cache

[rough bloom]

5 minute TTL

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1339513258532405328.gif?size=160&name=evil+AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA&lossless=true

[sage crag]

it feels like discord never caches images in my browser for longer than im inside a chat too

[rough bloom]

I haven't noticed that with images in chat
but it certainly doesn't cache favorited gifs very well

[sage crag]

ye

wrr

[rough bloom]

so wouldn't be surprised if it's the same

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/wrrr-cat-angry-gif-10783708059666180688

[obsidian mantle]

This skill upgrade menu sucks

I decided to make a bot to make a map of every node and then pathfind through it

At least i didnt start making it myself by hand there are 200 skills

And each has 4 directions

[real sierra]

vituha making game too?!

[obsidian mantle]

Ill dump results into file and then insert it like static structure

Im making skyrim integration

[real sierra]

ohhhhh

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

their skills menu can't be any worse than mine

[obsidian mantle]

You see there are perks (skills) and they have some coordinate properties

And even 2 of them, grid coordinates and plain position coordinates

And none of them make any sense

Its because that menu is fucking handcrafted 3d model and when you press buttons it raytraces it i guess

Or they made some internal node map that i have no access to

[obsidian mantle]

It looks like these coordinates are vestiges of some alpha version of that menu

[real sierra]

yeah that's pretty bad

[obsidian mantle]

The bot should work, i estimate it to make full map in 1-2h

[real sierra]

I think I'm already done with the dedicated server changes

it was surprisingly easy

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_su59-wc3JM

[real sierra]

the only real thing I needed to change was to force the network to load the second scene so the server would simulate it

[obsidian mantle]

Wait did you fix the invisible enemy thing

I missed this

[sage crag]

this probably isnt in japanese for you

but it is for me

[real sierra]

I'll watch this while it builds

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

it's Japanese for me too

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1353149806947602442.webp?size=48&name=OhISee&lossless=true

[real sierra]

I don't wanna talk about it

I can never show my face in the unity server again after that

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NrLVFgM9XaY
but you can watch this

[real sierra]

reminds me of those homonculus videos that were popular like 15 years ago

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oO9VpyCO2w

[obsidian mantle]

But its so interesting

[real sierra]

tldr

my sprites were supposed to be like this
🧍

but instead they
🚶

and they're 2D so

[obsidian mantle]

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1154436961277313126.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=evilSlam&lossless=true

hieroglyph

[real sierra]

ok but the reason they did that was actually super interesting

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1428762275422011502.png?size=160&name=EvilEGGS!&lossless=true

[real sierra]

it turns out the NavMeshAgent component that does pathfinding on navigation meshes is horribly made and really only meant for 3D

[olive sable]

then change your sprites

do some art

[real sierra]

because of this it will rotate a character by 90 degrees on activation

luckily, there's a property that you can set to avoid this

[obsidian mantle]

[real sierra]

but the plot twist was

[sage crag]

dunk egg in

liquid nitrogen

and throw at someone

[real sierra]

I was already setting that property

so why wasn't it working

[olive sable]

oh, you mean they went off-axis?

[real sierra]

the reason it didn't work was that I set the property in OnSpawned which fires when the network first sees the object

[obsidian mantle]

So too late

[real sierra]

and depending on your latency that can happen before or after Start which is when it needs to be set to take effect

neither too early or too late, it was a race condition

things were invisible if I was lagging

[rough bloom]

[real sierra]

yeah

despite being a 2D game, the scene is still entirely 3D

[olive sable]

true

[real sierra]

performant!

[sage crag]

you know

if only

[olive sable]

you're wasting some cpu cycles doing all the math in 3D

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/godot-iconpng-godot-jumpscare-jumpscare-godot-engine-gif-26351339

[real sierra]

but yeah so they just rotated perpendicular to the view plane

[olive sable]

when if fumoquest releases i shoudl make my own client that runs a lot faster

[sage crag]

me already suggest

fumoquest rewrite gamejam

[fiery anchor]

sometimes it makes sense to use 3D calculations for a 2D view. Edge cases though.

[olive sable]

every-time you do 3D math for 2D, you're not actually using the Z for depth.
you shouldn't at least. maybe an int for layer, but not a float for depth

[rough bloom]

there really shouldn't be much difference
just 4D matrix instead of 3D matrix for all transformations
most other graphics pipeline stuff should apply to both 2D and 3D, and everything that doesn't should be optional anyway and already disabled by default

[sage crag]

engine logic probably slower than the transformations

but

wrr

[rough bloom]

wouldn't expect much difference
sorting or comparing int and float practically the same

[olive sable]

its mainly the stuff on the gpu.
doing 3x3 matrices is faster than 4x4 matrices. and since they happen every frame you want them to be fast

this is micro-optimization tho

[opaque sigil]

i'd imagine the hardware is optimised for 3d anyway

[olive sable]

in real-world the difference is barely noticeable

[opaque sigil]

sometimes doing more work ends up being faster

[olive sable]

depends

[olive sable]

its not really about the sorting to me

if you do 0.1, 0.2, 0.3 for your layers

that's psychopath behavior

[rough bloom]

what does this mean

[opaque sigil]

why would you mix floats and ints though

that sounds like a disaster

also thanks for indirectly reminding me to look into the ozaki scheme

[olive sable]

i dont mean an int as a format. i mean like a whole number

[rough bloom]

don't need to, can just treat floats like ints for the most part
can also be an internal thing, doesn't have to be visible to the dev

I can see how inserting a layer inbetween two other layers without changing their numbering is useful

(if you're too lazy to use constants)

(and can't plan ahead)

[olive sable]

if i read a variable named layer inside an object, and the output is not a whole number

im nuking the sctript

mistakes have been made and i need to start over

[rough bloom]

at that point just call it depth instead

[silent cloak]

u dont get to choose in Unity

atleast for the general game objects and stuff outside of rendering

(rendering is a different story)

[olive sable]

if i made a 2D
id name it layer, it would have to be a whole number, and it would need to be a whole number cuz im using it to do parallax

[amber fractal]

Weird, the NN testbed is finally running. Now I get to smack case generation with a hammer until it stops being stupid.

[silent cloak]

yes 2D is a different story

[amber fractal]

for reasons, called inverses match now. Every case currently matches everything

So I need it to not

[real sierra]

NN

[silent cloak]

i gotta reorg my home server im running like 800 different backends game servers and other stuff

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-ai-ai-vtuber-neuro-sama-neurosama-gif-13865470517312527958

[amber fractal]

Try building the entire thing from scratch, no torch

[sage crag]

NN doesnt mean neural network

[silent cloak]

thats how we used to have to do it

hell thats how i used to have to do it

[olive sable]

"we"

there is no we

[silent cloak]

neural newbies

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

real legends had to construct that shit themselves painfully

even for a simple LVQ network

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-im-no-ears-im-all-ears-horse-gif-4308252428337868305

[olive sable]

do you also need cuda thing installed to run an llm?

[silent cloak]

modern stuff yeah

in the past i didnt bother with GPU computation for smaller systems

[amber fractal]

this one is using it so such :vedalno:

[silent cloak]

but anything new 100% needs GPU

[olive sable]

so games with llm stuff would require me to get some type of cuda installer?

[silent cloak]

yes

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

unless they have some other way of contacting the drivers

[amber fractal]

or rewrite the entire stack in vulkan

[olive sable]

surely i can jsut put my llm stuff in a vulkan compute shader instead

[silent cloak]

lmao

[amber fractal]

[opaque sigil]

I mean you can

[silent cloak]

if it were that simple nvidia wouldnt be so big rn

people have to deal with their bs

[opaque sigil]

There are vulkan backends

People are just lazy

[amber fractal]

I'm aware of the vulkan backends

[olive sable]

i think nvidia is more about support and stuff these days

[opaque sigil]

(me included)

[olive sable]

there are alternatives

[sage crag]

nvidia marketshare

due to compute

[opaque sigil]

They have a 2 decade old ecosystem

[olive sable]

ye

[silent cloak]

https://github.com/Tencent/ncnn

have fun

(or kompute)

[opaque sigil]

cpu inference ew

[rough bloom]

llama.cpp has a version with CUDA stuff included (+ a Vulkan backend too)
Torch needs a full installation though probably

[silent cloak]

torch installs cuda shit so yeah

otherwise ur stuck on cpu mode

[opaque sigil]

I love having cublas which includes 50 versions of every function

[silent cloak]

the cost of 0 abstraction

[amber fractal]

[opaque sigil]

We have a pretty good jit compiler for a reason

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF2HfxkpSog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG-rxpeLGA8

enjoy

[olive sable]

oh god

[opaque sigil]

Didn't torch have an opencl backend at some point or am I tripping

[olive sable]

i aint watching all tha

not rn

[silent cloak]

damn opencl making me feel like a dinosaur

[opaque sigil]

I'd use it if it wasn't such a miserable experience

[amber fractal]

I now get to return to the thinking box

[silent cloak]

i heard it is a pretty good api

but its pretty much dead

Khronos Group has their eggs in the vulkan basket

[opaque sigil]

None of the hardware specific stuff is supported either

[real sierra]

even the dedicated server build doesnt run on the vps

[silent cloak]

lmao

[real sierra]

sudo?

[silent cloak]

thats such a good idea

[real sierra]

but really im not sure what the issue is

[silent cloak]

opsec

[real sierra]

it spits out this

[UnityMemory] Configuration Parameters - Can be set up in boot.config
    "memorysetup-allocator-temp-initial-block-size-main=262144"
    "memorysetup-allocator-temp-initial-block-size-worker=262144"
    "memorysetup-temp-allocator-size-background-worker=32768"
    "memorysetup-temp-allocator-size-job-worker=262144"
    "memorysetup-temp-allocator-size-preload-manager=262144"
    "memorysetup-temp-allocator-size-nav-mesh-worker=65536"
    "memorysetup-temp-allocator-size-audio-worker=65536"
    "memorysetup-temp-allocator-size-cloud-worker=32768"
    "memorysetup-bucket-allocator-granularity=16"
    "memorysetup-bucket-allocator-bucket-count=8"
    "memorysetup-bucket-allocator-block-size=4194304"
    "memorysetup-bucket-allocator-block-count=1"
    "memorysetup-main-allocator-block-size=16777216"
    "memorysetup-thread-allocator-block-size=16777216"
    "memorysetup-gfx-main-allocator-block-size=16777216"
    "memorysetup-gfx-thread-allocator-block-size=16777216"
    "memorysetup-cache-allocator-block-size=4194304"
    "memorysetup-typetree-allocator-block-size=2097152"
    "memorysetup-profiler-bucket-allocator-granularity=16"
    "memorysetup-profiler-bucket-allocator-bucket-count=8"
    "memorysetup-profiler-bucket-allocator-block-size=4194304"
    "memorysetup-profiler-bucket-allocator-block-count=1"
    "memorysetup-profiler-allocator-block-size=16777216"
    "memorysetup-profiler-editor-allocator-block-size=1048576"
    "memorysetup-temp-allocator-size-main=4194304"
    "memorysetup-job-temp-allocator-block-size=2097152"
    "memorysetup-job-temp-allocator-block-size-background=1048576"
    "memorysetup-job-temp-allocator-reduction-small-platforms=262144"
    "memorysetup-temp-allocator-size-gfx=262144"

and then exits after a few seconds

[sage crag]

you can make a non-root user

[real sierra]

i tried putting these in the associated boot.config

no change

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

i mean

if it doesnt work as root

surely it wont work as a user

right

[sage crag]

depends on the software

[real sierra]

or is it actually a perms thing

[sage crag]

some software doesnt work with root

[sage crag]

maybe

[real sierra]

i see

[sage crag]

no clue

[silent cloak]

thats not a proper log though either

atleast it doesnt shows whats up with it

[real sierra]

yep