programming

[sage crag]

glases

[olive sable]

PMMA is toxic it seems

[sage crag]

pen mineapple mpple aen

[quasi furnace]

Just bought a 7900XTX for 500 usd

[sage crag]

7en 9ineapple 0pple 0en

[tender river]

wen rineapple rpple ren

[opaque wharf]

Why would you need one?

[olive sable]

thats acrylic

what we're planning on making the double helix from

[opaque wharf]

Bruh, I don't think you are expected to eat them

Nor inhale their dust for that matter

[olive sable]

im not plnning on eating them

but that means i cant really 3D print it without getting lung cancer

[opaque wharf]

But then again, are you sure it is toxic?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poly(methyl_methacrylate)#Medicine

Huffing any kind of dust is harmful regardless

[olive sable]

the material itself isnt

the fumes form 3D printing it are

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that is a whole separate reaction then I suppose

[olive sable]

it makes formaldehyde

[idle dune]

You can and many people have. Neuro has the benefit that shes been around the longest, feels the most "real" compared to other chat bots, has a very well defined personality, and is so god damn cute.

There are many open source projects that attempt to replicate her or atleast replicant her functions.

But its not easy, you need to understand how LLMs function and how to program. You can only vibecode so far, there ill be a point where unqiue or speicalized methods to enhancing the abilites of the Neuro clone cannot be known withot programming knowledge.

There's also hardware limitations, your not running a AI chatbot and vtuber model with rigging or anything required for the chatbot to function. You need a beefy machine.

Vedal uses a i9, 128gb of ddr4, and 4090 (as far as I remeber) to run Neuro and he's meantioned in streams that he his ram might not be enoguh sometimes.

[olive sable]

i think the helix is not perfectly linear in terms of rotation to height

[idle dune]

What is this

[olive sable]

attempt at a volumetric dispaly

[idle dune]

I know a popular volumetric display is to spin a transparent oled.

Like irl

[olive sable]

nah

transparent oled doens thave the needed refreshrate

[idle dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uTPpvxRBGM

This si jus led I am pretty sure

[olive sable]

thats jsut LED

[idle dune]

But it is cool

[olive sable]

ye

[olive sable]

the voxon one is a 128x128 panel it seems

[olive sable]

thats too much thermal paste

its porobably fine with the mounting presure form the cooler, but its all gonna be on the pcb now

[fiery anchor]

If it works, it works.

[opaque sigil]

might be a tiny bit too much but that's fine

better safe than sorry

[olive sable]

i think DLP would have higher resolution horizontally, but its less bright, has less contrast, less smooth, less slices, ...

it might be a good idea to go the voxon route of using a 2D LED panel

ok it would seem that the $6800 pricetag of the voxon is jsutified

since you cant use a single chip that does 7400hz on an entire 128x128 pixel screen, you need to use 684 individual driver ICs

the LEDs also add up quickly to 49152 individual leds

1K in ICs, 2.5K in leds, an fpga, the custom pcb, then also the entire motor assembly still

not feasable with my budget

[patent shard]

If microled cost the same amount per led, that'd be like 12 million USD
Damn

[azure lynx]

whispers "perhaps an eye tracked version might be better to start with"

[olive sable]

well, you see

eye tracking

only works for person

which makes it inferiour

[azure lynx]

but affordable

[olive sable]

id rather jsut not have one than one thats eye tracking based

[azure lynx]

i'd rather have something that was kinda cool than nothing.

[olive sable]

I just dont find eye tracking ones cool

Feels like a cheap shortcut

[azure lynx]

it is

that's the point!

it's cheap

vs the current volumetric stuff

you could have a screen which literally tracks you with a robot arm so the screen stays flat at you... that would be cool

and still be cheaper than current volumetrics.

[olive sable]

Its just not what i want

[idle dune]

What if you just do panoramic peppers ghost

Cheap phone porjectors replciding off a curved surface.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGyMrAtvg8A

or is ther esomething specific you're trying to do

Its the same thing Miku uses too, except Mikus is a hyper speiclaized motion tracked rig that takes up and entire stage

[fleet jungle]

Someone tell me why in Windows you have a device menu with a collection of connected devices at the top, clicking of which takes you to ANOTHER device list??

What's the logic in that?

[idle dune]

Because Windows 11 is like 6 years worth of failed attempts to completely change how windows functions but also retaining old features and many of them are abandoned.

[fleet jungle]

Good old windows development pipeline

Win Longhorn (was slated to be the OS instead of Vista) was like this, too, before they scrapped it

[idle dune]

Yeah it’s terrible and even with Windows 11 reboot, tiny 11, or any windows shell programs all those weird quirks remain,

[idle dune]

I will love and forever say Vista was a good OS.

7 was better

But Vista was good

[fleet jungle]

I agree with you. It was a beautiful OS

I don't think I encountered it when it was in its primitive stages where the hardware hadn't caught up, so I got to see the better part of it

[idle dune]

I want to make my Linux install look like it ngl

[fleet jungle]

It's the most effective use of the frutiger aero theme imo

So well fleshed out

[idle dune]

I did, the main issue was Microsoft didn’t communicate that you needed a decent gpu for it. That being said my old P4 Dell Demension ran it fine.

[fleet jungle]

You know a design is good if it fools a 12 year old me into thinking things here and there are more advanced than what the previous OS looked like, even if they were the exact same thing

[idle dune]

[fleet jungle]

feelsoldman

[idle dune]

I got hit with that a few days ago when I started getting told how old the PS3 and Xbox 360 are

[fleet jungle]

oh really? How old? I'm gonna make myself feel even worse lol

[idle dune]

There been as much time from now to when the PS3 came out, as there was between the PS3 and SNES

[fleet jungle]

monka

[fleet jungle]

damn

I don't remember the SNES coming out, but I remember when the PS3 was new

sheeeeesh

[idle dune]

I'm 30 so I remeber the PS3 launch completely same with the PS2

Though I am not going to lie

PS4 is till my fav playstation

[fleet jungle]

Tried the PS5?

[idle dune]

Not yet, I have barely even seen one at peoples home ngl

[fleet jungle]

Fair

PS4 probably serves pretty well

Latest gen game console I've ever played was the xbox 360 (which I recall came with kinect). It was fun, but I'm no good at looking after gaming consoles sadly

This was long ago tho, so for a while now I've just been a purely PC guy

[fiery anchor]

Made my switch to pc only around the release of the ps3. No regrets.

[fleet jungle]

True. I've been appealed by the controller compatibility on desktop PC. When I have my own space, I might skip getting a console, and grab a controller instead.

[fiery anchor]

Those current consoles are basicly PCs anyways. There used to be a difference, but not anymore.

[idle dune]

I've been wanting to go and grab a used Wii and PS3 to install CFW and play some games that will never come out for modenr consoles or on PC except through emu.

[fleet jungle]

Yeah true. Especially the steam machine that I'm eyeing, with the way things are going with game consoles. I don't want ads in my main menus.

[idle dune]

Like Armored Core For Answer, MGS4, and Wii Sports

[fleet jungle]

Man, "expired" games are another mess

Like these companies should enable people to run the games on their consoles if they've stopped selling them

Why limit the players who have purchased them rightfully, or those that never got to try the game when they were in vogue?

[idle dune]

Oh dude i have a Vita, almost all my games are fucking expired

[frozen hollow]

Expired?

[fiery anchor]

used to have a psp, no clue what happened to that device though. could check if my ps1/2 and the games still work.

[frozen hollow]

I have a vita but I never played it

[idle dune]

After the PSN expied a ton fo games had their liscense lapse and now are no longer downloadble even if you purchased them.

[fleet jungle]

Game stores or online websites stop selling them, so you're either out of luck, or you're doing something illegal to be able to play

[frozen hollow]

[idle dune]

Very fun system, tons fo quality JRPGs on the go.

[frozen hollow]

I think the thing is I already played danganronpa on pc

[fleet jungle]

Or their servers are turned off without providing a localhosting alternative

And now it gets worse

Because if you have a game that's run by a launcher, they could simply remove the game from the options list, meaning you lose the very game that you purchased through hard-earnt money

It's happened with movies, at least

[idle dune]

Yep, which is why alot of people just hack their Vitas

[frozen hollow]

I think the game I put on the vita was Mother 2 which is a really cool game but I can’t seem to stick with it

[fiery anchor]

I have fond memories of the moment i finally got my own, small, tv in my room, hooked up the ps2 and "To Zanarkand" started playing through the speakers. Never finished the game, maybe some day.

Good thing there is a vivid retro scene, keeping old tech alive. Today everything is the same. Old tech was whacky and had fun ideas. Kinda sad, tbh.

[frozen hollow]

I’m that one guy that played MGS2 on an Xbox

No ps2 for me

[quick condor]

NGL hats off to people who can manage to use up max200, thats impressive

[real sierra]

im not saying im upset with this system necessarily, but

static StaticDataManager() {
        _skillDefs["Slash"] = new SwordSkill("Slash", 
            "A wide horizontal slash.\n1 Damage, 3s Cooldown",
            Resources.Load<Sprite>("Icons/icon_slash"), PlayerClass.Warrior,new string[] {}, 3f, 1);
        _skillDefs["Cleave"] = new SwordSkill("Cleave",
            "A heavy swing.\n3 Damage, 6s Cooldown",
            Resources.Load<Sprite>("Icons/icon_cleave"), PlayerClass.Warrior, new[] {"Slash"}, 6f, 3);
        _skillDefs["Thick Skin"] = new PassiveStatsSkill("Thick Skin",
            "You've built up some toughness from your training.\n2 defense",
            Resources.Load<Sprite>("Icons/icon_thick_skin"), PlayerClass.Warrior, new[] {"Cleave"},
            new ModifierStatusEffect("Thick Skin", Resources.Load<Sprite>("Icons/Icon_thick_skin"), new()
            {
                DefenseFlatBoost = 2
            }));
    }

do you think this is overly verbose

"why wouldnt you just store this in a json file and load-"

i want it like this

[tender river]

i made a design i'm happy with

what i'm not happy with is

the c language

tried using c-- but the only maintained compiler is part of ghc source code and i couldnt find an easy way of compiling standalone cmm files

[fiery anchor]

not overly verbose, but kinda hard to read formatting, but that might be since i'm used to a different style.

[real sierra]

that's a good point, probably would've made more sense with a screenshot, the IDE adds parameter names in-line

its still not great for readability but it's sufficient

[fiery anchor]

certainly helps, but can't help to wonder what the parameter name for PlayerClass.Warrior is. Why is that one missing.

[real sierra]

IDE didnt feel like enriching that one

[tender river]

its probably playerClass

[real sierra]

maybe because it's an enum?

[keen hatch]

this is more readable friendly...

[real sierra]

true, i have it squished down in anticipation of having a few hundred of these

wanted to minimize scrolling

[tender river]

i dislike the conventional c# style

because of how much vertical space it takes

still use it when writing c#, but my solution is just not to write c#

[real sierra]

im actually super proud of this class structure that i've come up with for skills and status effects

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[real sierra]

there's a base class defining the interface for skill behaviours, then concrete extensions of that define actual behaviours, and you feed parameters for those behaviours to the constructor when making an instance

and then those instantiated behaviours are shared between instances of a wrapper class that holds dynamic data such as skill cooldowns

[fiery anchor]

ye. everyone has thier own style. When writing the style guidelines for our project (mixed c++/js) i used different guidelines for the languages, to help the developers switch faster without knowing.

[tender river]

without knowing

[fiery anchor]

on your own? whatever floats your boat. In a team? gotta have some basic rules.

[real sierra]

group coding projects are rough

please lets just agree on the interface specifics and then stay on our own sides of it

as long as you follow the interface spec, i dont wanna know what your code is doing

or what it looks like

[fiery anchor]

well.

[real sierra]

[fiery anchor]

if there is time to write a proper interface spec, yes.

[real sierra]

not you in particular btw

[opaque wharf]

Until the spec is wrong

[real sierra]

that's a global "you"

[opaque sigil]

More projects could use a BDFL

[fiery anchor]

in practice, the project manager plans way too much features, everyone is burned out, and demands the features to be merged anyways, even if the dev did not adhere to any discussed parameters.

and then we enter the mystery land of... "but it works on my machine"

[opaque wharf]

"Then we'll ship your machine" - Docker

[fiery anchor]

sadly, most of the time it is not enough to give a dev a simple interface spec, since the side effects caused in the background will bite at the worst times.

[real sierra]

ok ok

rule 1: follow the spec

rule 2: stay in your sandbox (except when it would conflict with rule 1)

[opaque wharf]

Make a microservice architecture and then run the whole system with docker compose. Ship em all, side effect included

[real sierra]

rule breakers will be liquidated

[fiery anchor]

gotta watch out for the weirdest stuff. one of our devs implemented a buzzer api. He was totally fine with hard blocking every caller as long as a buzzing was in progress, even the caller. Eventhough the interface was designed for asynchronous use.

[real sierra]

then they didn't follow the spec

woodchipper

[opaque wharf]

I like that guy

Who doesn't love a surprise right?

[fiery anchor]

or busy polling network interfaces without timeouts. Surely we can sacrifice a core for that. At least it works!

And it's fast!

[real sierra]

im sure its fine

if corporate complains just tell them you need to upgrade the server hardware

because you're "working with technology your competitors have already moved on from"

[amber fractal]

coding in ancient runes (almost all of the code is undebuggable)

[faint sandal]

"no budget"

[opaque wharf]

BQN?

[real sierra]

if you dont introduce any bugs then no issue

[opaque wharf]

Or APL?

[amber fractal]

Nah I was just thinking of coding patterns that are very hard to trace, not a partiular language. Though one can just use C macros to introduce "runes" if one wants to

converting all instances of bf4 into bwaa

[fiery anchor]

it might shock you, but even docker is new tech and witchcraft in our field. the project i'm involved in is the first to use CMake and vcpkg, and CI/CD. Everything else is Hand crafted (mind you, badly) Makefiles and manual "deployment" ( Zip via mail )

[amber fractal]

docker is witchcraft for the avarage person as well tbf

[fiery anchor]

hmmm yeah. true.

[amber fractal]

I like to imagine you didn't forget the e in email and your just mailing usb sticks with the zipped program to the person next to you for debugging.

[real sierra]

ip over avian carrier obligatory mention

[fiery anchor]

afaik it hasn't happened for debugging purposes between devs, no. But shipping or even driving to the customer and sticking s stick with an update on it into the device? sure.

that's the world of embedded, working with physical machines.

[jagged turtle]

deployment via zip mail is crazyyyyyyyy

[opaque wharf]

Bro, I work at embedded but can still use git

If you mean downloading the new firmware, then yeah, sometimes that is necessary

But well, luckily I don't work with old stuff that much so my encounter with handwritten makefile is rare

[fiery anchor]

We use git for managing the code. Was referring to build artifacts and deliverables with the zip via mail...

[opaque wharf]

Ohh yeah. That tracks lol

My company rarely does that tho. If something needs our specialized downloader, then we just send someone on site

[warped narwhal]

still faster than australian internet

[amber fractal]

I thought for a second this array step was going to be in 5d. Thank goodness it turns out that I'll be only working in 4d before shoving it back into 3d space again.

[rigid snow]

why softbody physics suck so much

why not good

[glad path]

play beam ng

[rigid snow]

i have

but if i steal tech i probably go jail for patent infringement

or whatever it protected by

also beamng is not very high res

as far as softbody goes

[young plover]

Anyone else been getting like 50 emails from random Zendesk domains today?
Apparently it has something to do with not enabling email verification to open tickets, but I don't get what the end-goal of the attack is

[glad path]

yes but its fun...

[frozen hollow]

I could do it just need someone to give me it

All will be consumed in the swarm

[fiery anchor]

That's enough internet for today. gn8

[real sierra]

it's kinda weird but I'm actually glad to be fixing bugs in my code

it's such a nice change of pace to already know what the data structures are meant to look like

it's been like 4 days of making class after class

[sage crag]

code

safety code

state that birthdays must be limited to 3 times per year

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314196655472843/SPOILER_NeuroCuteJogInHerRoom.gif

[brisk laurel]

I dont have an internet connection and my pc keeps disconnecting to my wifi help

[tender river]

happy birthday konii

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1425866336265043978.png?size=160&name=MiniYayClassic&lossless=true

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

okay

[tender river]

3am ping

[sage crag]

i am

reading

[tender river]

good

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

[dusty nymph]

guys im making a custom mini LLM for my ai lucky i dont know how to code

[azure lynx]

i'd suggest searching for a Python tutorial.

[quick condor]

Really unless you know what you're doing it's best to start with a full web client/backed/model package like textgen webUI or ollama, then try using an api to communicate with the model, then maybe fine tuning. Going to a custom model from the start is looking for problems

[silent cloak]

im debating on spending a lot of money on neural equipment just to build a system to help me manage ADHD

[tender river]

message passing but

there are partial messages

theres message batching

message handling has to be

commutative and associative

and

messages have an associated time and have to be handled chronologically

and

this has to be reasonably fast (NOT python speed)

[azure lynx]

what is the time of a batched message? first or last message time?

[tender river]

lamport clock

time can be bumped up as much as you want

its only used as an optimization anyway

because once a message causes some other message to be sent

that second message has to have a time after the first message

this is the only constraint

also

messages can be retracted

then any messages they caused have to be retracted too

[azure lynx]

i'm considering using partial ASR transcripts but need to work out how to deal with retracting incorrect stuff. i'll just give it a rewritten context and see what happens...

[tender river]

i'm making a vm for

incremental computation

as an example of how it can be applied is

[real sierra]

[tender river]

incremental view maintenance in database

or

reactive changes in ui

[real sierra]

chaymeowwwww

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

mrrp

[real sierra]

why can't the code ever be perfect on first try

[azure lynx]

then what would you do all week?

[real sierra]

sleep

[tender river]

my solution is to overthink everything and not even start working on the project as long as you can imagine a single theoretical issue

[real sierra]

I get stuck there sometimes

and then I force myself to try write code in whatever way makes the most sense in the moment

and usually that makes it obvious what parts work and what parts don't work

but maybe that's why it's never perfect the first try

[tender river]

when making the vm i spent a long detour learning about interaction nets and tried to make a vm based on them but

it gave me a better intuition on how computation works which is super useful, but interaction nets themselves proved to be an interesting formalism that is useless for my use case

lamping's optimal evaluator is a thing of beauty

[opaque sigil]

Interaction nets are cool

[tender river]

i highly recommend the book "The optimal implementation of functional programming languages"
NOT for any practical use (it's only optimal in a mathematical sense) but for how beautiful the concepts are

[opaque sigil]

[loud salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mad-skeleton-gif-10886506202898815019

[amber fractal]

no brainrot in this channel

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "no, unless you work with directly dimensional - 2 iterators in same block of code is bad"

Worst JS developer: "basically i even do this just to avoid 2 iterators"

        return old.end() not_eq // if we found, and not_eq end, then there is such object
         std::find_if(old.begin(),old.end(),[&obj, &lambda](yolo::object const& old_obj){
            if(**conditions**
            ){
                return true; // they are the same, found
            }
            return false; // not the same, search until end
         });
    };

    for(auto const& obj : vec){
        if(isSame_oneMany(obj)){continue;}
        // if not isSame_oneMany
        vec_old_run_is_moved[index] = vec;
        std::cout << "true" <<std::endl;
        return true; // return from isObject moved with sucessfully found object, that moved
    }
    return false;

""

[amber fractal]

can we not be stupid (no)

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "?"

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "that is basically functional + imperative; my favorite type of code"

[true hemlock]

js is shit

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "and oop is just a tool"

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "yeah js soo messy"

Worst JS developer: "how it related?"

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "it is c++ and it is clean"

[solar marsh]

i hate this game sm
forgot a capital letter so of course going Obj_star walk just breaks fucking everything

😭

[real sierra]

i dont understand this bug

what do you mean the item isnt spawned its right thereeeee

[opaque wharf]

Ahhh, gaslighting shiro again. Unity favorite past time

[real sierra]

wtf is happneing

man whatever

ill do it the unity way

[sick owl]

The ram shortage is now so out of control that people are buying entire old computers just to strip out old RAM and its profitable

Christ almighty

[jagged turtle]

nowaying

what

[idle dune]

Yeah it’s made old servers skyrocket in price

no Dell power edge Jellyfin server for me

[sick owl]

Yeah I just saw a video from a repair shop that buys old computers and does them up saying they have to stop because all of their suppliers now strip out the ram and drives and sell them on separately

[idle dune]

Yeah I saw that too

[jagged turtle]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[idle dune]

I really don’t want these assholes to see DDR4 ECC as a money maker

Shots already expensive for its age

[sick owl]

Crying shame because old computers aren't actually the useless disposable junk people treat them as

The ability to compute is inherently valuable

Crappy old laptops can still make decent smart home hubs or NAS's for instance

[idle dune]

They aren’t they still are good. X99 gaming pcs are a valid super budget option

[sick owl]

Just take out the battery if you don't want your house burning down lol

[idle dune]

Get a E5-2687w v4 and you have a Xeon that trades blows with a Ryzen 5 5000 series. But just like, 4x the heat and power.

[idle dune]

Well of course.

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "i love when everything build and run without errors after merges"

[amber fractal]

So that is why the datatype is promoting

[real sierra]

imagine you wanted to detect when two colliders intersect but not have the physics engine bounce them apart

[amber fractal]

can you not

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "maybe it have different scene?"

[real sierra]

luckily unity has a toggle for this! you can just set IsTrigger to true!

...except none of the collider functions work anymore if you do this

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "make your own game engine "

[sick owl]

I have an old i7 + GTX 950M laptop that serves as a similtaneous seedbox, plex server and home hub

[fleet jungle]

@rigid snow I was about to say this regarding the number of quotes you have there, but it seems you addressed that already

[real sierra]

[fleet jungle]

why did I scroll that far

[sick owl]

Doesn't even have an SSD, it uses puppy linux with a ram disk

[idle dune]

That sounds awesome. I was going to buy a Poweredge T330 and turn it into a NAS/Jellyfin

350 bucks for a server

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "nah, xeons is not processor for everyday tasks, they miss some instructions and in general have different design, at least it was so why would changed, i had xeon for like 3 years"

[idle dune]

Theorrr fine fine but I also game on Quadros

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: " "

[idle dune]

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "do you run 4 games in parallel? "

[fleet jungle]

also why did that mention some random

wth

[glad path]

roblox can do this actually

[real sierra]

im aware

thats why im so horrified unity can't decouple these systems

you're telling me we can't have collision detection without collision reaction as well?

what kind of spaghetti code

[glass jetty]

Worst JS developer: "c#"

Worst JS developer: "also, happy birthday shiro"

[glad path]

worst JS developer: probably me

[glass jetty]

Not a rust dev: "ok. no problems" :3

[amber fractal]

Worst NN creator: This area is filled with delusions, how am I still here.

[glad path]

i probably still count as a python dev bc the majority of my projects were in python
but given the chance i would use c++ & pybind11 & python

what kind of dev does that even make me

[glass jetty]

Not a rust dev: "why c+++python? just for libs?" :3

Not a rust dev: "if it just any logical function, why cpp instead of bare c then..." :3

[glad path]

because i like c++ syntax much more

[azure lynx]

cos std::unordered_map

otherwise it should be c. there is no other reason to use any C++.

[glass jetty]

Not a rust dev: "there a lot of reasons" :3

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kon-anime-anime-girl-willcore-gif-24034970

Goodmorning

[glass jetty]

Not a rust dev: "not every one know c++, but every one know c" :3

Not a rust dev: "so id use c for python functions" :3

Not a rust dev: "logic python functions*" :3

Not a rust dev: "if it complex objects code (set of functions that work with some objects), than c++ for sure" :3

[amber fractal]

[hearty notch]

not a rust dev: i like rust btw

[olive sable]

You cant make it panormaic or you'd have different viepoint interfering wit eachother

[tender river]

you need rigid body or something

or need not to have a rigid body

try something along these lines idk

[real sierra]

no its ok

it was user error

[tender river]

[real sierra]

the collider has to exist for a period of time first so a physics tick can elapse

else the functions will return bad results

so i have it wait two physics ticks* and then continue and it works now
-# *it's not clear if the wait ends at the start of the physics tick or the end of the physics tick so i need to wait 2 to ensure the physics code has run

[glass jetty]

Not a rust dev: "lets do more tape fixes" :3

[amber fractal]

Man I love participating in the antipattern of shoving a part of code I'm using twice into a function within the existing function.

of course this is python

[tender river]

i'm trying to create an oop encoding of integers but its hard because operations on two integers end up requiring access to one of the integers' internal representation from another one

its easy if i just use church encoding

but i was hoping for something nicer

i guess thats where i give up and just use native numbers

at least booleans can be proper objects instead of native values

[olive sable]

It would seem im not the first one to try to do this

[amber fractal]

what are the results

[olive sable]

"We designed a highspeed..."
Brother you just got the design from texas instruments, they're the only people in the world making DLP chips

[amber fractal]

:classic:

tbf they are a fab, so they could just have easily just requested they do the design

[olive sable]

True

[amber fractal]

The demo image is making me realize something. Even for a 3d shape, unless you want to see the backside you'll have to do some culling based on perspective anyways.

[olive sable]

Seeing the back is mostly unavoidable with this design

Cuz here we're just relying on projecting the pixels into the correct 3D location

[amber fractal]

More importantly, just git gud and design with that in mind

[olive sable]

Im just gonna leave it like that

I think its fine

[amber fractal]

I think so as well

Again, I'm one to talk when it comes to this. I make sure transparency is first class in my own designs.

@olive sable would you ever consider a camera for any reason?

[olive sable]

A camera?

[amber fractal]

If not to backface cull the 3d mesh being displayed. Doing lighting would be nice and also a way to slightly deal with the transparency.

when I do translucent objects, I lower the global brightness because if not it stops having a translucent effect and more of more of just blending the font and back sections of the mesh.

[olive sable]

I could increase the budget a bit and get a DLPLCR70EVM

Thats 32Khz

[amber fractal]

Not reducing the colors, vs reducing them. I honestly still need to finetune the exact ratio, but this is what I'm getting at

[nocturne olive]

Hello what goes on in here these days?

[amber fractal]

I did swap back to dithering as it makes sense here

[nocturne olive]

What is even this silliness?

[amber fractal]

The only color reduction here is brightness, This would be a case for using lighting to hide the backs of the mesh without resorting to culling faces in it's entirety.

[olive sable]

Im not sure how that would work for this application

[amber fractal]

It's a hack at best, camera tracking to apply lighting on the model from looking angle

honestly I don't think it'll do much

it is now 20% visable and 20% brightness, the lighting needed to not be affected at all

only the model brightness

[mighty bane]

So, today I learned something annoying about my little .exe
Its sound settings doesn't display its name, but rather just the path to it (like C:\user\name\app) anyone know how to make it display the actual .exe name?

[amber fractal]

Sam 🔺

[nocturne olive]

If you're a normal person you just give the program a name in the code and use that for the window title
If you really want the window title to be the same as the executable name though, even when the executable is renamed, you'll need to probably parse it from the executable's calling path, usually the first argument given from the command line

[mighty bane]

The little icon at my taskbar shows correct data when I hover over it, but for some reason the sound settings are different. Bing suggests sound relies on old tech and something to do with a .rc file (but if I try to follow the steps to include this the deploy fails)

[nocturne olive]

Well you're on your own, Windows is quite the horrendous mess

[obsidian mantle]

You can scan the path to see if your exe is there and display its name only instead of path

[obsidian mantle]

What are you using to make it? Do you specify whatever is being displayed at all?

[obsidian mantle]

What are you using to make it? Do you specify whatever is being displayed at all?

I did something using windows forms in vs like 2 years ago

[nocturne olive]

Classic Discord bug

Sent same thing twice

[amber fractal]

can confirm

[olive sable]

Let me get out of bed

[olive sable]

i feel like if we do camera tracking we might aswell use a dispaly tech that uses that

[opaque wharf]

You become the very thing you swore to destroy

[amber fractal]

Yeah, that is a truth. Transparent effect stays

[jagged turtle]

iggly can I take an a from your name

[amber fractal]

sure

[jagged turtle]

tyvm

[amber fractal]

Here's your a

[opaque wharf]

Let's work out other backronym for LLVM

[jagged turtle]

what's a backronym again

[opaque wharf]

an acronym deliberately formed from a phrase whose initial letters spell out a particular word or words, either to create a memorable name or as a fanciful explanation of a word's origin.

[jagged turtle]

uh huh

[opaque wharf]

So instead of having the name first then the acronym, we have the acronym first, then determine what should it mean

[amber fractal]

off the top of my head, low level virtual mapping

[jagged turtle]

lava lamp virtual memory

[sage crag]

lambda lambda vambda mambda

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

[olive sable]

lambda

was that supposed to be my name?

[tender river]

EatYourVm

[amber fractal]

saying that one fast is somewhat of a challenge

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

oh

[amber fractal]

If someone asked for a backronym for SVM then it would be your name

[olive sable]

pattern recognition

[sage crag]

samuel vanuel manuel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

[sage crag]

camuel manuel danuel

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1433049661270261871/ShouldICelebrate.gif

[jagged turtle]

would you like an e

[tender river]

no

you can keep it

[jagged turtle]

:damn:

[sage crag]

would you like a

​

[tender river]

yes please

[sage crag]

​

[jagged turtle]

uhhh

where a in name?

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

wheres a ​?

i dont have it anymore

[jagged turtle]

https://player.sw.arm.fm/7tv/emote/01KEEDJ6XWWWMWG7YKN61F1Q88/1x.avif

[tender river]

is an an or an a

[jagged turtle]

...are we trading spaces now

[olive sable]

wut?

[sage crag]

i read it as zwsp

[olive sable]

spaces are free

[sage crag]

so

its an a

[amber fractal]

I think she is trading the void

[sage crag]

not an an

[tender river]

[sage crag]

ananas

pineapple

[jagged turtle]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314196655472843/SPOILER_NeuroCuteJogInHerRoom.gif

anana is pineapple

banana is bpineapple

[opaque wharf]

Lmao

[sage crag]

svm stands for svm van maele

[glass jetty]

Not a rust dev: "solid logic" :3

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

recursive acronym

[tender river]

why are you using this message prefix/suffix

[glass jetty]

Not a rust dev: "why not?" :3

[sage crag]

ignore

[jagged turtle]

because no one cares if you're not a dev

[glass jetty]

Not a rust dev: "actually i just forgot to disable this script for a second time" :3

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[jagged turtle]

[tender river]

any tos violations are purely

work of fiction

[glass jetty]

Not a rust dev: "i could just keep :3" :3

[sage crag]

as an upstanding nhq member i have to inform you to delete this for your own good to prevent any false ideas of tos breakage

[amber fractal]

the tos is not real so it can't be violated

[sage crag]

because the phrasing makes it sound like there is tos being broken when its clear no one here would break the tos

[amber fractal]

surely this was not active when shibo was in chat

[glass jetty]

Not a rust dev: "wdym by tos breakage?" :3

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

[amber fractal]

[opaque wharf]

It's when you toss something and it breaks

[sage crag]

tos stands for
terms of sot

sot stands for
services of tos

[glass jetty]

~ i just scan for enter event and change text block :3

~ there nothing special :3

[sage crag]

no you dont

[amber fractal]

no no, it is when you slam your foot against the wall too hard and have to go to the hospital.

[sage crag]

because that would be a tos violation and we dont do those

[glass jetty]

~ tell me what is third party discord clients then? :3

[sage crag]

dentge

[amber fractal]

dentge

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

i dont know if we can save this one

[amber fractal]

we can't

[jagged turtle]

dentge

[sage crag]

[jagged turtle]

[sage crag]

kururururu

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

-# Doesn't every major 3rd party client say it is against TOS to some degree

[sage crag]

client modifications are a standalone tos violation

modify client =

[amber fractal]

[glass jetty]

~ nah i not care than :3

~ who care about tos anyway :3

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

the poor disocord CEO would cry if he heard you

[glass jetty]

~ code is simple asf btw :3

[amber fractal]

let him

[amber fractal]

he deserves it for the slop of updates

but yeah rules exist here

[mighty bane]

I use VS 2022

[jagged turtle]

it's (I believe, could be wrong, if so please tell me) a binding contract btw

[glass jetty]

~ what is binding contract? :3

[mossy fossil]

bro's literally going the "leave the billion dollar company alone" route with this one

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

discord reserved the right to terminate your account for any tos violations

[jagged turtle]

?

[sage crag]

youre in a partnered discord server, they have to uphold tos

dentge

[olive sable]

to clarify, we dont give a fuck about discord as a company. jsut follow the tos so your account doesn't get terminated

[true hemlock]

did anyone ghost pinged me

[sage crag]

not me

[true hemlock]

[olive sable]

i wouldnt knwo

[sage crag]

maybe a bot pingwave that got deleted

[jagged turtle]

someone ghost pinged here? didn't see anything

or that ig

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Nope, don't know anything about that

[true hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-i-didnt-see-what-you-deleted-deleted-delete-discord-gif-25993865

[glass jetty]

~ use mentions: :3

[mossy fossil]

i couldn't give less of a fuck if my account gets terminated ngl, i hate this platform for multiple reasons

[faint sandal]

ghost pings won't show up lol

because they were deleted

[olive sable]

the whole idea behind ghost pings is that you delete the message

[glass jetty]

~ usually ghost pings arent ghost for me, they just lost in history :3

[faint sandal]

ok...

[jagged turtle]

then they aren't ghost pings

[olive sable]

who left their 14 y/o "this is deep" daughter in #programming

[glass jetty]

~ if you know amount of pings, you can check whatever it was ghost one or not :3

~ what is issue :3

-# ~ if there displayed 2 pings, but you see only one new in list of mentions, then it was ghost one... etc :3

[sage crag]

its a bit of a childish insult

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

...did you even read what they said

they asked who not how many

[opaque wharf]

Imma do a little trolling

[mossy fossil]

plus, maybe if discord wasn't a greedy bastard, we'd have essential tweaks done to blocking and have the goddamn linux client fixed already

it's utterly fucking ridiculous that blocking still shows "X Blocked messages" without an option to just hide this

[glass jetty]

~ only issue with linux client i had is enormous mem leak :3

[glass jetty]

~ idk, i just ignore thos msges instead of clicking show :3

[mossy fossil]

what's the point of a blocking button if i can still read the messages of those blocked, it's self-defeating.

[glass jetty]

~ weak :3

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577145262183/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithBeautifulScenery.gif

i was going to say something rude but stopped myself

[glass jetty]

~ is it supposed to be frozen? nah nvm, it just failed to load :3

[olive sable]

you have more self-control than me lmao

[sage crag]

your brain might be ossified

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1459353564764835902/A5D6E55C-09FB-4941-B002-2F28164FCAC3.gif

[sage crag]

only a little

[opaque wharf]

Oh nooo, my brain became open source software

[sage crag]

no thats fossified

[opaque wharf]

What would be free open source software tho

[olive sable]

ossified is turned to bone???

[opaque wharf]

Shouldn't it be calcified?

[olive sable]

i think thats different things

[unkempt citrus]

(Vesktop)

Also comes with a solution for your second problem

[amber fractal]

the ghost pinger is back

[mossy fossil]

i'm aware.

[unkempt citrus]

Also if you're annoyed by the blocked messages thing, just block more people 4hed

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

in b4 all of #programming gets blocked

[unkempt citrus]

That way you have to get used to it

[amber fractal]

they can't nuke all of us

[olive sable]

blockign more people would make it worse

[unkempt citrus]

I've had channels with more than 100 messages blocked in a row

Discord glitches a bunch

[olive sable]

what the hell

[unkempt citrus]

It forces you to get used to it

[olive sable]

i dont get why you'd block someone tho

[glass jetty]

~ wtf man :3

[unkempt citrus]

Some people aren't worth dealing with

[olive sable]

then ignore the message

[unkempt citrus]

Also I'm quite politically engaged, and I enjoy such discussions

[amber fractal]

ohisee

[opaque wharf]

I wonder if neuro knew annoying orange

[glass jetty]

~ i have only ~10 radical furry or some sort of, and like 5-7 ppl that i not want to talk ever again across all servers :3

[olive sable]

[unkempt citrus]

Blocking helps with people who are a bit more obtuse or don't engage in more good faith

[olive sable]

[unkempt citrus]

So i don't end up with another circular discussion

[opaque wharf]

"Hey, hey apple"

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-im-no-ears-im-all-ears-horse-gif-4308252428337868305

can you all shut up for a minute

[olive sable]

lets change topic lmao

[visual pawn]

I see your mutual server

[sage crag]

my head is hurting

[opaque wharf]

Get a cat

[amber fractal]

nyope

[unkempt citrus]

[glass jetty]

~ no :3

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Look at those majestic creature

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

whats up with all the ~ and :3 ?
i think you're overdoing it a bit

[amber fractal]

suffix and prefix

[glass jetty]

~ i do not spending any time for thos :3

~ what you want me to write there? :3

[olive sable]

i dont have an issue with it, jsut find it a bit odd

[glass jetty]

~ yeah, i did it for evi :3

~ she did it for a while by hands :3

~ idk wtf is wrong with her :3
like this:
Evi: "Oh, hi, im Evi, i like roleplay."

[visual pawn]

(´･ω･`)

I don't know if anyone is going to get the reference

[olive sable]

i dont get it

its fine tho

[glass jetty]

~ what exactly? :3

[visual pawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/12dutd/the_saga_of_denko_and_her_stalker_ω/

[olive sable]

the supposed reference

[glass jetty]

~ use <embed_possible_url> :3
<www.youtube.com>

[olive sable]

they did

[glass jetty]

~ they did not, it appear on my screen for a moment :3

[amber fractal]

I mostly see the tupper bot used for RP, not quoting a character

[olive sable]

tupper bot?

[visual pawn]

well, that's more convenient than clicking

[amber fractal]

Yeah it is

[glass jetty]

~ done, it just require reload of the page, and its slow for me (internet). (´･ω･`)

[mossy fossil]

and while i'm on the topic of discord being ass. the Android Client. Ever since they moved to React Native, it has been absolutely terrible. i want my kotlin discord back.

[glass jetty]

~ yeah. (´･ω･`)

~ lets support several languages. (´･ω･`)

~ for several platforms. (´･ω･`)

[amber fractal]

A bot that you use prefix commands for, depending on the exact prefix. A webhook gets changed to the image and name of a different persona and deletes the original message.

[glass jetty]

~ instead of using web for web app. (´･ω･`)

~ or cpp for non-we app. (´･ω･`)

[olive sable]

i aint reading all that

[glass jetty]

~ examples on arch server btw. (´･ω･`)

[visual pawn]

you don't need to lol, it's just for a time excessive text emote usage was associated with stalker behaviour

[glass jetty]

~ they use them a lot. (´･ω･`)

[visual pawn]

in certain circles

[amber fractal]

honestly checks out for arch

[olive sable]

im too gen z for this

[amber fractal]

I see them using tupper

[mossy fossil]

that decision of merging with the iOS client was a disaster, kotlin discord (v127.XX and earlier) booted near instantly, now it takes a few seconds and overall the client feels sluggish

...like it wasn't meant to be an android app or something

[visual pawn]

something something over 9000 bases are belong to us

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, if only every platform would have a unified api so dev can be lazy and just write once for every client

[glass jetty]

~ for real, i thinking about creating just console app for chats. (´･ω･`)

~ discord is really slow-loader. (´･ω･`)

~ i have no idea what to do with img and video tho.... (´･ω･`)

~ i heard about special console extensions, but idk is there any for konsole. (´･ω･`)

[visual pawn]

don't worry though, discord will auto-restart to fix things for you

[amber fractal]

konsole should support the image extenstion

I recall using it in the past

[glass jetty]

~ i have like 5 ideas and 3 of them have prove-of-concept repos. (´･ω･`)

~ and i prob will never do them, but instead play civ6 (modded) or spending time on any other sort of shit. (´･ω･`)

[mossy fossil]

like, writing an android app that isn't using kotlin makes no sense when that language is the native language for android. maybe i'm missing some technical reason onto why would discord drop the kotlin client, but yeah... bone-headed move from discord imho.

[glass jetty]

~ spending cut. (´･ω･`)

~ security. (´･ω･`)

[amber fractal]

laziness is always the reason

[glass jetty]

~ call it spending cut. (´･ω･`)

[amber fractal]

that implies discord was making cash to begin with

[mossy fossil]

discord hasn't broken even yet iirc

[glass jetty]

~ arent they?. (´･ω･`)

[amber fractal]

that's also what I recall

[mossy fossil]

and they insist in going forwards with the IPO, this will end well /s

[jagged turtle]

how are they even surviving

[amber fractal]

scamming investors

[mossy fossil]

investors, yep

[jagged turtle]

true

[mossy fossil]

once discord inevitably goes public, watch it crash and burn - as that is the most realistic outcome

[visual pawn]

I wonder how many Nitro subs they have though

probably won't cover the costs but

completely anecdotally I've seen the percentage of people having it going up

[amber fractal]

not a chance

nitro doesn't save them

only ads

[glass jetty]

~ who need thos nitros. (´･ω･`)

~ when you can printscreen. (´･ω･`)

[mossy fossil]

ads are technically a thing via quests

[amber fractal]

True

[amber fractal]

and people hated those instantly on release

[glass jetty]

~ what is ads?. (´･ω･`)

~ i just have this things enabled. (´･ω･`)

[mossy fossil]

good question

sent from a network that has pi-hole

[amber fractal]

One of the only reasons I use FF on mobile

[amber fractal]

Just so I can install ublock

[mossy fossil]

i have multiple layers of ad blocking: Pi-Hole is Layer #1, then there's uBlock Origin on Firefox

[opaque wharf]

I wish they would adopt experimental web technology faster tho

[visual pawn]

discord revenue $890 million in 2025, with 200 million monthly active users

[amber fractal]

100%

[olive sable]

no audio

[opaque wharf]

I develop a lot of PWA and are limited to chrome due to firefox not supporting a lot of web api

[amber fractal]

looks at jpegxl

[olive sable]

jpegxl

truely one of the files of all time

[mossy fossil]

so discord's average income per user is... 4.5$

[glass jetty]

~ it originally sticker. (´･ω･`)

~ there is audio thing again. (´･ω･`)

[visual pawn]

what is the cost per user though

[mossy fossil]

probably considerably higher

[glass jetty]

~ what? why you think so. (´･ω･`)

[amber fractal]

That'd be a combonation of storing all of user content and bandwidth

[glass jetty]

~ 4.5$ is a lot, i expected smaller numbers. (´･ω･`)

[visual pawn]

discord streaming isn't p2p, so that probably costs a lot, but I have no clue what % of the userbase uses it

unless it does use p2p in some situations?

[mossy fossil]

bandwidth, data storage, power, rent for datacenters...

yeah no, there is NO WAY they are breaking even

[amber fractal]

calls are almost certainly not

[glass jetty]

~ that all at industrial scale covered in less than cents per person. (´･ω･`)

~ if it is active user than more. (´･ω･`)

[amber fractal]

if we did have some p2p then the server would have not died during the shrek watchalong

[visual pawn]

https://discord.com/blog/how-discord-handles-two-and-half-million-concurrent-voice-users-using-webrtc

Thanks to all our engineering efforts on both the client and server architecture, we are able to serve more than 2.6 million concurrent voice users with egress traffic of more than 220 Gbps (bits-per-second) and 120 Mpps (packets-per-second).

[glass jetty]

~ i rent vps for 10$ with much more power and storage than i ever need (as personal). (´･ω･`)

[visual pawn]

well I figure there's no way server rooms would be p2p, but I was wondering about small private calls

but then it occurs to me that you pick call servers in the same way so

and I guess they wouldnt want a repeat of the skype IP leak thing

that and there'd be no reason they'd kick you from calls when there's no one else there for a while otherwise

[amber fractal]

servers have such depending on setup, but not privates

even so it is "move user to this force mute channel"

[visual pawn]

private calls do kick you eventually if there's no one else in the call

and you get a message about how you were kicked to save bandwidth

[amber fractal]

Hm, must have misremembered that

[visual pawn]

I think it takes like, 15m?

less?

[amber fractal]

I'd pick 10m personally

who knows what it actually is

[visual pawn]

oh it's 3m lol

[amber fractal]

Man it is so little time

[jagged turtle]

iirc it was adjustable somewhere but I might be misremembering

[visual pawn]

well, I guess they'd just end the call otherwise and the only reason they don't is so the other party can rejoin

because why else would someone be screen sharing in a solo call

[amber fractal]

that's on server not dms

dms I'm pretty sure can't be changed

[jagged turtle]

no servers allow you to adjust how long it takes beore you get moved to a designated afk vc

[amber fractal]

[jagged turtle]

and you only move if you haven't spoken for x amount of time

[visual pawn]

yeah, the call thing is only when you are literally the only person in the call

not just silence

[amber fractal]

ofc can't be moved if your mute

[visual pawn]

I've had silent private calls go on for 40 hours at least

[amber fractal]

That I can attest to

[jagged turtle]

really? i thought idle meant muted but your mic is on

[amber fractal]

two seperate systems

one for server, one for private

[jagged turtle]

oh wait mb

i thought krivvan was talking about servers

[visual pawn]

nah, private calls

context was about how discord could try saving bandwidth

and I had a brain fart and wondered if small private calls could be p2p

[amber fractal]

the big man upstairs wouldn't get a copy then

[jagged turtle]

supposedly voice calls are e2ee

now whether or not that is attestable, I don't know

[visual pawn]

they claim calls are, text isn't, yeah

[jagged turtle]

they never said text was e2ee

[amber fractal]

I don't recall any claims at all on it

considering AI summaries exist

yeah no

[jagged turtle]

I wonder how far along that "experiment" has gone

[visual pawn]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/25968222946071-End-to-End-Encryption-for-Audio-and-Video

[amber fractal]

it exists here, it is funny to see it screenshotted sometimes

[visual pawn]

https://discord.com/blog/meet-dave-e2ee-for-audio-video

Safety is intertwined with our product and policies. While audio and video will be end-to-end encrypted, messages on Discord will continue to follow our content moderation approach and are not end-to-end encrypted.

[jagged turtle]

where? I don't see it

[jagged turtle]

discord's safety is intertwined with /dev/null bro

[amber fractal]

discord's own safety exists, user safety is not

[amber fractal]

I got no clue either, I've also looked for it and don't have it

I know it exists because no AI would manage to quote Sam's typo perfectly without seeing the chatroom

It exists somewhere

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

it's per-user AFAIK

[visual pawn]

I feel like I've seen it but not in this channel/server

[opaque wharf]

I'm sorry DAVE, I'm afraid I can't do that

[amber fractal]

I love how on mobile the channel settings just have the name and description grayed out for unprivileged users instead of not existing

[silent island]

yo

[olive sable]

how do they ask $1300 for a pcb without any of the actual components

[amber fractal]

looks at pcb

compoents

[olive sable]

the socket at the top is empty

[silent island]

since when did vs be considered a game by discord? lmao

[amber fractal]

I think discord stopped caring

so the active is just playing

[jagged turtle]

what is vs be?

visual studio bedrock edition?

[amber fractal]

:vedalyes:

[jagged turtle]

that implies there's a visual studio java edition

eh, vscode is javascript, close enough

[amber fractal]

also nicknamed the community editiom

[jagged turtle]

?

[opaque wharf]

The socket

[amber fractal]

sometimes java edition is referred to as the community edition

[opaque wharf]

Wtf

[amber fractal]

Not officially that I'm aware of

I'd hope not

this is in contrast to bedrock being called the microsoft edition

which I'm sure everyone agrees with

[silent island]

now this is just fucking ridiculous

[acoustic finch]

You can add custom activities

[amber fractal]

Someone has to have "your mom" as an activity

[opaque wharf]

I like launching vscode from steam

[silent island]

i bought ur mom on steam actually lmaooo

[acoustic finch]

Its realy ez in just your discord settings tab activities you can sellect a proces and display it as a activity

And change the name to your mom no problem i believe

[robust wind]

it would be really funny if steam tracked playtime for external apps launched through steam

[visual pawn]

Jippity is a little too good at this

[amber fractal]

I can't wait to exit the room with at least 10 diffrent holes in my skull that were entirely unnecessary because someone wanted to see a smiley face on stream.

[acoustic finch]

All in the name of his half brother randy

[visual pawn]

I give him the option to drill at any of the bad locations that would go straight through a blood vessel/artery, but Jippity never takes up the offer

[amber fractal]

deskslam this thing is aligned too well

[visual pawn]

funny thing is this procedure irl is typically done with no medical imaging at all

[wary mauve]

are the actions from using "tools" param or is it a custom json response or?

[visual pawn]

they estimate a point on your skull by using a tape measure that statistically has the lowest chance of intersecting a blood vessel and then they just go for it

[amber fractal]

I get it is for time but damn

[visual pawn]

atm I present all the named medical anatomical points on the head and give the option to move to any; pathing isn't up to it

[wary mauve]

sorry my question was poo was more of a question of how does it know when to do an action, in the api side, or is it just you testing all the actions, and theres no LLM involved?

[visual pawn]

it's usually an emergency procedure for hydrocephaly (don't look it up)

[visual pawn]

it's using Jippity, so a wrapper for GPT

[amber fractal]

Won't do so

[visual pawn]

I'm not doing anything but camera control in that

[amber fractal]

not when I'm supposed to be sleeping rn

[acoustic finch]

Is there like a big difference between giving him a whole back story about having a half borther and so on or just saying hes a ai that has to do surgery

Since its chatgpt i doubt it ig

[visual pawn]

pretty sure Jippity gives GPT a system prompt already to know about Randy and Neuro and etc.

but when you register the game you also give context

[amber fractal]

yeah I'd think Jippity does have a prompt for it

[acoustic finch]

Not very content brained if he never ends up poking holes in funny places tho

[visual pawn]

yeah there it is https://github.com/EnterpriseScratchDev/neuro-api-jippity/blob/main/backend/src/index.ts

"If you are feeling lonely because no one is talking in chat, you can make up stories about Randy and Neuro." +

[jagged turtle]

It has a big prompt - short answer is it's a lonely AI streamer who can play games and is a cousin(?) to Randy and Neuro

[visual pawn]

well my actual goal is to sync this to an actual robot arm with a drill and catheter

[amber fractal]

That is Randy's job. No brain for debugging via random actions.

[jagged turtle]

no randy just doesn't have a brain period

randy will only automatically respond if an action is forced

for manual actions you need to send a http request to its express api endpoint

[visual pawn]

does randy not have a timer to randomly give responses?

[jagged turtle]

no

[visual pawn]

huh, I've only used Tony and Jippity

[jagged turtle]

jippity has a timer for triggering the llm

I think gary also has that

[acoustic finch]

Ah i see i wasnt aware of randy and jippity kr ehat they do

[visual pawn]

yeah jippity goes off on stories whenever the simulated robot arm is moving

[idle dune]

Someone should really give Neuro functionality with VIZDoom

[visual pawn]

they're all testbeds for the neuro API

or uh

neuro proxies

[jagged turtle]

just call them neuro api server simulators

that's literally what their role is

[visual pawn]

fake neuros

[jagged turtle]

or a neuro simulator if you want to shorten it

[faint sandal]

this entire conversation sounds like gibberish to someone with no knowledge or context

[jagged turtle]

they never claimed to be neuro they just claimed to be neuro's relatives

[faint sandal]

yeah jippity Gary and Tony

[visual pawn]

Neuro related to OpenAI confirmed

[faint sandal]

[jagged turtle]

actually idr what gary's prompt is

[frozen hollow]

Yes

[jagged turtle]

wdym you don't know who jippity, gary and tony are? they're part of the neuro extended family

[faint sandal]

my gliippity glorp helped me with bopity boop

[olive sable]

i get a used lightcrafter 4500 for 600 euro at 2880hz
or i make my own DLP 5500 for 1100 euro at 5760hz, but then i also need to get all the optics and LEDs for it too and align them

[frozen hollow]

Jippity is what Boris Johnson called chatGPT otherwise I’m lost

[visual pawn]

Randy == random neuro simulator
Tony == human neuro simulator
Jippity == GPT neuro simulator
Gary == Local LLM neuro simulator

[wary mauve]

how does it simulate it? I assume neuros "action taking" is semi documented? I assume its a separate server thats run, and responses from neuro are fed in and it dictates if neuro wants to run an action using another LLM using "tools"? as it needs to know a list of actions it can take and i doubt vedal updates neuro for each game integration to add new available mcp tools, and then that has connection to the game intnegration mod the games running?

[visual pawn]

https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-sdk/blob/main/API/SPECIFICATION.md

[jagged turtle]

...

[wary mauve]

whats with the dot dot dots

can a man not ponder

[jagged turtle]

geez wtf, gary's effective prompt is so damn long

[frozen hollow]

Ellipses of ponderance

[visual pawn]

you do register actions for neuro with the API

[visual pawn]

holy shit that's way longer than Jippity's

[jagged turtle]

"forgot" to add mikey: microphone control

[visual pawn]

oh Mikey isn't on the neuro-sdk Readme

[jagged turtle]

not quite ready yet, hence the "forgot" in quotes, but hopefully in due time

[visual pawn]

is that meant to be voice control to an LLM or

[jagged turtle]

yeah it's sttts

[opaque wharf]

Lmao at tony

[jagged turtle]

also means this is technically the one simulator to have a use for the priority param

[jagged turtle]

wdym lmao at tony? this is very serious mhm

[fleet jungle]

Are numbers able to refer to things in a LLM's vector db? Like maybe to a particular topic, you just mention x number. I guess this is nonsensical considering the scale and the complexity of the neural networks

[wary mauve]

whats the stts model being used

curious

as im using faster-whisper rn in python (distilled models)

[opaque wharf]

That is true yeah, he worked hard during the subatahon