programming

[opaque wharf]

Since log is a function

[glad path]

yes

but functions can be expressed without parenthesis

eg sin x instead of sin(x)

[opaque wharf]

And this is confusing, hence don't do that

Because if the argument is not a pure number, you'd need to parenthesize them anyway

[glad path]

or you could just do log(base,num)

[opaque wharf]

That could work

But people will argue between base, num and num, base

I think num, base is stupid tho

[true hemlock]

13950HX es
5060 lp
14900HX modt board combo

all arrived

$150 + $250 + $350 respectively

[quick condor]

I think it's incredibly funny that running an A2 in a server at home instead of some jank consumer solution was a notible point in my first interview

[true hemlock]

fair, interviewers aren't the hardware manager so they'd usually think its some sort of enterprise supercomputer parts or something when you mentioned that its an "enterprise grade hardware"

very overclockable

pog, its a cherry picked gb206

[quick condor]

No it's specifically that the A2 is actually recognized by Dell's bmc which adjusts fan speed according to gpu temperature. It's literally a scaled down version of the systems I'd be working on xe9860s

And yes technical interview is with a lead technician

[true hemlock]

so i suppose they found the exact guy to work with their non beefy enterprise office workstation systems

who is familiar with the A2

anyways
13950HX engineering sample

loved the bga1964 to lga1700 translation

[quick condor]

Yes non beefy Dell XE9860s with 8x H100s as well as the new Blackwell build out 😂

[true hemlock]

wtf the a2 even have to do with that

its not even an enterprise card

not the one that does hpc

[quick condor]

Passive cooled gpu that has to communicate with the server BMC to control server fan speed

[true hemlock]

okay that makes more sense

they want you to manage a U chassis server

good ig

right, my h100 also has passive cooling heatsink alongside with both my a100

though mine is a 7U chassis

[quick condor]

Well hundreds of them but tbh doesn't matter if it's 100 XE9860s with h100s or a R640 with an A2, the concept is the same

[true hemlock]

r640 with an A2 is meant for basic office workstation

[autumn ore]

app so far

[true hemlock]

the h100 systems are probably for ai

[quick condor]

It is

[true hemlock]

i would be more impressed if its for actual hpc workload tbh

[quick condor]

Clustering for up to 4088 h100s so AI/hpc

[true hemlock]

wouldn't consider ai and hpc the same

[quick condor]

The clustering is designed for either...

[true hemlock]

but im willing to bet they're going all in with ai

[quick condor]

I mean whoever spends the money to rent dedicated compute... Doesn't matter who it is

[olive sable]

Here we use comma for the decimals. So sure i can paypal you 30 bucks

[true hemlock]

concluding my new year shopping ig unless if my 18x 3090 arrives exactly this month somehow

also still waiting for my 6x 22tb sas

[fast torrent]

Nice

[true hemlock]

top one is 3090 i got for supposedly $400 but ended up only paying $150 total

[olive sable]

Ok im done backreading

Goodmorning

[real sierra]

https://creepylink.com

[glad path]

wait

[real sierra]

i dont even wanna click the links im generating from this page

[glad path]

erm

lemme remove that link

ok it is just google LOL

[real sierra]

discord doesnt like it but its not actually a download

[glad path]

https://google.c1ic.link/ad_RwXtQg_click_me.lnk we fine

[real sierra]

its too sketchy even for discord

[azure lynx]

it's pretending to be google. therefore it is evil.

[jagged turtle]

web-safe.link/click_me.msi

very trustworthy

[glad path]

https://c1ic.link/IFbadt_ip_grab.bat

[autumn ore]

<@&574931772781887488>

[real sierra]

hello

[glad path]

its not an ip grabber

its obamify 😭

[safe path]

[real sierra]

^^^

[jagged turtle]

lmao

[real sierra]

this is the greatest and worst website ever devised

[jagged turtle]

also new actually good discord feature

[safe path]

wait what

i cant stay hidden anymore??

[jagged turtle]

hi, can I take the r from your name please

[real sierra]

i never noticed that

[jagged turtle]

oh for fucks sake automod

[signal trout]

really just pinged all the mods

[olive sable]

I wonder if those fake links are actually safe. Cuz the forwarding might be bad

[glad path]

they are i think

[jagged turtle]

anyways, fun fact, ~48,620 discord accounts are subbed to the events ping role

[olive sable]

Get some merch over at https://web-safe.link/install_NOTsj7_photo_viewer_update.lnk

[autumn ore]

my bad mods

[glad path]

om

[autumn ore]

i guess it did make the links suspicous

[glad path]

https://google.web-safe.link/logger_hdXtTf_update_info.com

[safe path]

no problem, we'll just sign ur soul away

[glad path]

the same website for making the link btw

i should clarify

[jagged turtle]

47,509 discord accounts sub to the schedule ping role

and 48,487 accounts are part of tutel safari

[olive sable]

[fleet jungle]

when do we do the dillydallying code golf sessions

[jagged turtle]

code golf?

[fleet jungle]

wasting time writing needlessly convoluted code, usually oneliners

[jagged turtle]

oh yeah I just did that a couple days ago

[olive sable]

I dont do that

Vulkan is abstract enough

[fleet jungle]

nice

[jagged turtle]

that was one line and I could've made it worse

[fleet jungle]

That's a nicer way than having a separate check before an indent

[glad path]

https://web-safe.link/LL7U8X_secure_login_page.js
wait hold on

ok this is peak

[jagged turtle]

secure_login_page.js lmfao

[glad path]

i chained a bunch

[glad path]

wait LOL

[fleet jungle]

I don't like making py some_variable = None if some_condition: some_variable = condition_dependent_value

[fleet jungle]

my browser must've contracted some sort of internet disease

I clicked the link and while I as typing here I saw my new tab icon flash 3 or 4 times

https://tenor.com/bDPsP.gif

[glad path]

probably because it was like 5 redirects

[fleet jungle]

"facebook.web-safe" sad thing is, some people would actually think it to be a real website

now I'm sad

[glad path]

no

[jagged turtle]

[glad path]

wait

yes

thats true

[azure lynx]

the purpose of the links is to try get people to be suspicious. or to identify people who are terrible at checking links and who should really not have email.

[glad path]

ig

[azure lynx]

these are like the links in phishing attacks

[fleet jungle]

That's something some companies do on their workers, apparently. Fake coupons or something.

I approve of it, but I wish it were practiced more globally

As in, for ordinary people, too

[azure lynx]

"to keep your gmail, you must correctly not respond to a our phishing attacks"

[fleet jungle]

click here to immediately have a anime waifu LLM right at home

[azure lynx]

"no more emails from grandma this week. she clicked a link from "her bank" and now she has to get her email license again"

[jagged turtle]

yup, security-concious companies do that

[fleet jungle]

This could actually be a good practice

[jagged turtle]

ngl I thought you put a rickroll there but localhost also makes sense

[fleet jungle]

If grandma must talk, she can do it with her mouth over the phone

See, the only thing is

I bloody hate that having a fake phone number is possible

I thought the whole concept was to have a unique phone ID only through which someone can reach your phone

and no one can pretend to be you

[fleet jungle]

nice progress

[fleet jungle]

putting the issue of NNs now being capable of copying people's voices near perfectly aside

[fleet jungle]

damn missed opportunity

[autumn ore]

toggles, htats all for today

[lusty bramble]

cool

[nocturne olive]

Hello I hope the #programming goes well

[jagged turtle]

going alright

I just found out https://discord.com/api/v9/guilds/{gid}/roles/{rid}/member-ids requires auth

[nocturne olive]

Hem

[jagged turtle]

probably because the auth requires that the user be in the guild first? idk

[nocturne olive]

Sounds about right

[jagged turtle]

anyways, this path allows you to get the list of IDs associated with members of a role (if you couldn't tell by the path)

[autumn ore]

Hello @humble bronze, I’m deeply sorry for the ping, but I need some help, If I could, I would like the url to the Tuya api for the lavalamp, not to put directly into my app, but to extend it to a api on my domain, to use for my app, NormSync, normsync is a application for iOS and android that I am developing that will change your lights to neuros lavalamp. Here is a photo of the app so far. Many people in the community would like this app, as I asked on reddit, see https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/comments/1qciy6i/how_would_you_guys_like_a_software_that_changes/.

[unkempt citrus]

You pinged the wrong person

[fleet jungle]

what the hell is a s3mm.dll

[glad path]

i don't think this is the right vedal, lucky

saved

[fleet jungle]

Speaking of sus sites

[glad path]

speaking of sus sites https://microsoft.web-safe.link/lottery_yvELNO_download_now.jar

[fleet jungle]

Discord just marked me as a chump. Disgraceful

[glad path]

its not even a download lmao

[round heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1439438864698576936/1444545175564324946/togif.gif

[fleet jungle]

Nice URL processing technique

[fleet jungle]

mods quick unperson this person

[jagged turtle]

bro you've been here for a goddamn while you should know not to ping vedal, you're lucky he's not @/vedal987

[round heron]

Nooooo

What did I do

🙏

[fleet jungle]

Maybe he meant weevil

[fleet jungle]

you gave me severe internal bleeding (and cringe)

[glad path]

did you get trapped by my link

[round heron]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-suit-meme-man-wearing-suit-meme-suit-slideshow-sparkles-and-champagne-gif-26378137

Mb bro

[dusty jungle]

[fleet jungle]

I opened it expecting some webface. That was certainly not one of them, but its classy for sure

[glad path]

mine???

[fleet jungle]

This one!!!!!

[real sierra]

[fleet jungle]

oh no /tenor ip grabber

[unkempt citrus]

A website that isnt an ip grabber is a bad website

[glad path]

ahahaha

[round heron]

So YouTube is bad?

[glad path]

rick roll'd

[round heron]

Ah I see

[unkempt citrus]

Youtube grabs your IP

[fleet jungle]

Youtube grabs more than your IP

it grabs your soul

watch out

[fleet jungle]

I remember the first time I actually got rick rolled

Following a download link to some "free game"

That was...

[glad path]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabbermegamind2-gif-23461251

[fleet jungle]

I don't even know how I can describe how betrayed I felt, but it was a wake up call

[glad path]

"free minecraftdownload now no virus"

[round heron]

Ik that BUT it's purpose isn't to grab ips

Its purpose is to give you brain rot to watch mindlessly

[unkempt citrus]

But it still grabs IPs

[round heron]

Yea

[unkempt citrus]

a website that doesn't get your IP is a website that sucks

[jagged turtle]

no, a website that doesn't get your IP isn't a website

[fleet jungle]

I think it was GTA IV

or maybe Halo 2

[glad path]

lol

[unkempt citrus]

das the joke

[jagged turtle]

you need to receive an IP address to be able to reply to requests

[glad path]

this is true

[jagged turtle]

the joke isn't there, because a website that doesn't get your IP is not a website at all (or at least not a functional one)

[prime ridge]

All my boys HATE ipv6

[unkempt citrus]

Thats the joke

[round heron]

I know that but I was under the impression that you were making a joke about all websites that don't take your IP for doxing reasons suck

[glad path]

real

ipv4 shortage? nah i'd win

[nocturne olive]

Every website is an IP grabber

[prime ridge]

Just was debugging an ivp6 issue for like an hr

skill issue tbh but ughhh

[unkempt citrus]

Is that better or worse than debugging a NAT issue

[prime ridge]

ipv6 issues are usually fine

NAT can get tricky

I'm also just not a network guy

[glad path]

https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabbermegamind2-gif-23461251

[autumn ore]

Hello @cinder trellis , I’m deeply sorry for the ping, but I need some help, If I could, I would like the url to the Tuya api for the lavalamp, not to put directly into my app, but to extend it to a api on my domain, to use for my app, NormSync, normsync is a application for iOS and android that I am developing that will change your lights to neuros lavalamp. Here is a photo of the app so far. Many people in the community would like this app, as I asked on reddit, see https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/comments/1qciy6i/how_would_you_guys_like_a_software_that_changes/.

[jagged turtle]

technically if you want you can just send a fake/not your IP to a website and just not care, as long as you don't need the results back
there's ways to do that but it's not prominent because, you know, it's not fucking useful lmao

[safe path]

what the aga

[jagged turtle]

this fucking guy

[fleet jungle]

IPv6 is a passing fad

[unkempt citrus]

well it is if you want to ddos

[nocturne olive]

Shouldn't have told them the first ping wasn't real Vedal

[unkempt citrus]

2nd ping in like the last 2 hours about this topic

[safe path]

is this a real take

[unkempt citrus]

Its true though. Once IPv8 comes out, IPv6 while be gone

IPv4 will still be kicking around tho

[round heron]

Hell no.

[nocturne olive]

Why would we need IPv8?

[safe path]

surely humanity would cease existing before IPv8

[unkempt citrus]

so we can give each individual IC an IP of course

[safe path]

each electron gets an IP address

[nocturne olive]

We'd need like 2`128 computers (very big number) to fill up IPv6 completely

[round heron]

Because some jack ass would want developers to cry trying to store it in memory efficiently

[nocturne olive]

Hem

[real sierra]

[safe path]

vedal went offline what have we done

[round heron]

No clue

[unkempt citrus]

Clearly we must start sacrificing chatters to bring him back

[round heron]

Yes!!! you are first

https://tenor.com/view/φωτιά-μ-gif-2547782084576614177

[unkempt citrus]

[round heron]

In the flames you go

[unkempt citrus]

Flames are very slow

[rigid snow]

[fleet jungle]

he got mentioned

[round heron]

They still burn tho

[jagged turtle]

no ytsodacan (person who last pinged ved) should be sacced

[round heron]

Absolutely

That sounds like a great idea

[round heron]

Into the flames you go

[unkempt citrus]

could be worse, could be this dude

[round heron]

😭🙏🥀💔

Ts is sad

D1 troll activities

[real sierra]

i put so much work into #1326303411041206303 for newcomers and they break the rules instead

[unkempt citrus]

pssh who the fuck scrolls down or even reads

never mind oppening a forum

[round heron]

"Read"? That's almost as bad as "Shower"

Ewwwwwwwwww

[fervent jolt]

[chrome oxide]

Oh hey, good to know that's a thing

It is so hidden and tucked away I never knew

[fleet jungle]

is discord a forum or a chatting app?

Could be both I suppose

[unkempt citrus]

Its a messaging service

[fleet jungle]

true

[glass jetty]

my favorite kind of git commit changes

[real sierra]

switch tabs to spaces?

[glass jetty]

happy birthday shiro!

[real sierra]

[glass jetty]

i have no idea, it require flag that i not know

let me run git show --help :kek:

[hard delta]

we don't even have enough ram to put the ipv4 in

[glass jetty]

there only 2^32 address in the internet

even less consider 10. 192.168. 172.

and i have 3 of them

[hard delta]

thief!

oiler!

[glass jetty]

[real sierra]

programmers!

[glass jetty]

programmers in programming chat

[real sierra]

may your next function be bug-free on your first try

[hard delta]

my next function:
void pass() {}

[glass jetty]

cant compile on some compilers, ub

[hard delta]

it appears shiro's wish was weak, for i set the bar so low

[real sierra]

lack of access modifier causes it to override some ancient library function of the same name and crashes the runtime environment

[hard delta]

ok ok let's fix this

[glass jetty]

nah, it will be just c compiler without void type support

[hard delta]

int happyBirthdayShiro() { return 26; }

[glass jetty]

this function can be compiler everywhere

int foooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(){ return 0;}

[real sierra]

another bug, im not 26

[glass jetty]

are you sure

[void mortar]

foo? 👀

[real sierra]

actually how old am i

[hard delta]

not yet/anymore

[glass jetty]

yeah it would be 300+ birthdays already
idk when it started tho...

[hard delta]

oh god morning brain can't english yet

[real sierra]

i actually had to calculate it

i havent thought about my age in so long

[glass jetty]

i am ... 22 soon

[hard delta]

literal babies

also

my new pc here soon!

got a call from delivery guy

[unkempt citrus]

For several years fork like 18 to 20 my default answer if someone asked me my age was 16

After that it switched to 23

[glass jetty]

chance that this name will conflict with anything is almost zero

[hard delta]

uuid?

[glass jetty]

some ancient compilers also doesnt support static, so have to be

[hard delta]

oh god

is this why

package names

i never explicitly thought that thought before

holy L bell labs

although it's technically more powerful

so it might have been a conscious choice

[glass jetty]

didnt found, but i found -d / -w // --ignore-space-change /--ignore-all-space

when all your files have some traits, like <libname>_filename_subformat.format

it much easier to reflect on them

[quasi oyster]

im too stupid to be in this channel. reading this gave me a headache. cheers lads

[glass jetty]

[muted jasper]

kek. but you're still here, nonetheless

[hard delta]

pat pat fix head?

[real sierra]

its okay im too stupid to be here as well

but i think a bit of stupid helps keep the average iq down

makes it more accessible

[glass jetty]

last 2 month instead of programming as hobby at home, i mod civ6 toward gameplay i like

[real sierra]

or at least thats what i tell myself

[unkempt citrus]

No thorts he'd empti

[glass jetty]

instead of playing the game kek

[real sierra]

with enough mods you'll someday have an exact replica of civ 5

[quasi oyster]

I wanna get into coding and all that but I know that ill do it for a month then realise that im better off playing CoD and watching femboy Vtubers

[glass jetty]

nah, i never played civ5 and i dont have reference point

i just make it way i like

[real sierra]

i love civ 5

i still prefer it to civ 6

[unkempt citrus]

There's a pin for how to get started with programming

[quasi oyster]

cheers m8

[glass jetty]

nope, if you will start to enjoy codding, unless you encounter something that shake your mind more, you will learn/code/read only about CS

it was just civ for me after friend show me this game

1000 hours in steam in 6 month
(actual only 500 cuz i keep it overnight sometimes)

[unkempt citrus]

At its core programming is about logic and that's always useful

[muted jasper]

gotta find a reason to learn coding, so coding becomes a tool and not the goal

[unkempt citrus]

And learning to build things and problem solve will always be good

[glass jetty]

try bbg + RHAI + lategame ai
and also if you want longer games - zee's mods
also for sure ui mods, cuz without them civ is garbage

[real sierra]

no i just dont like the way civ 6 does city development

[jagged turtle]

"may you be blessed" for programmers

[glass jetty]

learning interrupts at implementation lvl gave me headache, and i stopped at some point, i dont understand what exactly allow cpu to switch context so freely; cant find good source, linux dev book talk about them from code perspective only
tell me how is it about logic; programming is about implementations
CODING is about logic

[unkempt citrus]

May your stackoverflow answers be useful

[muted jasper]

Yeah, I was actually thinking to find something, maybe in aid of AI development. Some ideas maybe. "Prompt engineering" or whatever, but looks like ppl don't discuss such things here. Or I wasn't looking good enough

[real sierra]

people talk about how to make your own neuro-sama at least once a day

they've done so for the last 3 years without stop

[glass jetty]

reasonable
more ml guys
and maybe one day chatbots will become usefull
right now they all garbage

[unkempt citrus]

There was a flow chart at some point

[muted jasper]

No, I don't mean my own neuro. I just recently realized you can constantly modify system prompt, lol

[unkempt citrus]

Wonder what happened to it

I might’ve been the one to make it. Don't remember

[muted jasper]

So was hoping to see people discuss some tricks or something. Dunno. Or maybe where to start more efficiently, cuz I was thinking for too long and can't start properly, too many options and stuff

[glass jetty]

"Prompt engineering" = sloperator = not engineering; rather designing, but you still need at least one engineer

[muted jasper]

Well maybe. But I can't even do that, llm often doesn't understand what I want from it. I was thinking of vague concept of "weight", like making a system that kind of brings some stakes, kind of grounds llm to something, but I can't even get it to tell me time. Yeah, llm noobie here

[muted jasper]

I mean, I provide it current time but it keeps advancing it for no reason and I should write paragraphs to make it tell me the time I give it instead of making it up or "role playing it"

[neat laurel]

I believe retrieval of such exact information should be a tool call?

Not something it should remember

[muted jasper]

Probably, maybe. I didn't touch tools yet

[fleet jungle]

Abstract ALL the things!

Do it for the lulz

Here's a fun challenge. How far can you abstract away from a given thing that your eyes see? Take a cat for example.

Cat becomes mammal, which becomes animal, which becomes a living creature, which becomes an acting entity, which becomes a functioning thing, which becomes an instance, which becomes a proof/existence, which becomes itself (?). It could go a different way, too

[fleet jungle]

https://tenor.com/pQax.gif

[ebon basin]

when you build agentic you always need to fix it after because of this it not called software dev anymore instead it called AI plumper .

[fleet jungle]

why are you on a webp arc, Sameer? Whats the roadmap look like

whens the TIF arc

[sage crag]

rrr

[olive sable]

hi konii

[real sierra]

phrrrr

[opaque wharf]

A quantum wave function

[rigid snow]

[opaque wharf]

Or a vibrating 11-D string if you're into that

[tender river]

baaa'st faith

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-1425820994898369756

[burnt oasis]

I wonder how harder would it be to get AI work not on llm, but on actual neural network, to step away from llm's main structural problem which is cycle "wait for input -> process this input -> send result -> repeat".
Which works by "ticks" and not properly "continuous"...

[opaque wharf]

Shirooo, someone comes up with the same idea as you

[mossy fossil]

bwaa

[fleet jungle]

no I'm not into strings I'm an ordinary human interested in ordinary humans

Imagine your computer slows down so much it loses the icons of your default programs

[burnt oasis]

I mean, what Vedal did is insane by its own rights, but i feel like soon they will hit the wall of that exact llm main problem - it might be not able to do "thinking ticks" fast enough

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/30000-usd-gif-13674633028161831364

[fleet jungle]

Now whether this is exclusive to low-battery laptops on charge being low performance because of charging, or if its because of windows 11, I don't know

[opaque wharf]

I don't have $30.000, but I have this

[fleet jungle]

I've been wondering about this myself - about modularizing the thought process into actual distinct neural network models, rather than tying all functionality up into the single language model

tho I guess the image processing and generation models are already distinct elements

[opaque wharf]

It could be because of both at the same time

[olive sable]

i got optix to work in blender on nix

honeslty idk why its working

it failed to build when installing from the git repo, and when i went back to how i did it before it suddenly worked

[fleet jungle]

this joke transcends dimensions

[opaque wharf]

They can smell fear and despair

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

Did you build blender with cuda support

[olive sable]

yep

cudaPackages.cudatoolkit
(blender.override {
    cudaSupport = true;
})

idk if i even need the first one

[olive sable]

i may have jsut needed to reboot or something and thats why the old one works now

[opaque sigil]

You shouldn't need the first one

[olive sable]

btw, how does rebuilding work with programs that keep being open?

does it just use the version of the program stored from the old nix generation?

[opaque sigil]

There are some exceptions but usually I think so yeah

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

It's mostly things that have services attached to them that will auto-reload

[olive sable]

makes sense

[jagged turtle]

smol mini, big monka

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1407786158930399242/1407786160582955150/2968820-3.gif

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1288550857809596436.gif?size=160&name=mini+maomao

[burnt marsh]

they hath arrived

[frozen hollow]

Is that an esp

[burnt marsh]

now just have to somehow un-mirror finish the base and cap

[burnt marsh]

yep

[frozen hollow]

I’d probably spray matt varnish on it

[burnt marsh]

would that get the same look as this?

[frozen hollow]

Nah I think that would require actual silver spray pant

[burnt marsh]

hmm okay.

[hard delta]

machine arrives
OEM Windows key sticker on back untouched, some of the characters are covered by the intact hiding sticker
activate windows with key
"uh oh this key already used"

back to the fake chinese volume license group i go

[stray dragon]

if only there was a better way to activate windows

[hard delta]

[nocturne olive]

What if... Linux?

[hard delta]

when it turns evil

[nocturne olive]

Hem?

[opaque wharf]

Lmao

[quiet linden]

anyone here tried new vs 2026?

[hard delta]

I only ever used vs back during graphics class

mostly for opengl

bad memories

[nocturne olive]

I'm on Linux so I wouldn't use Visual studio anyway

[silent lark]

;-;

[opaque wharf]

OHHH VISUAL STUDIO

I thought what software v 2026

[frozen hollow]

I didn’t know VS wasn’t available on Linux. I assume it’s still the only real (free of charge) choice for Unity still

[rigid snow]

what is vs new

oh

new visual studio 2026

what's the improvements they can make anyways

[frozen hollow]

it's probably forever gonna be slow

[fickle rain]

Yeah, works fine

Better agent support would be appreciated, but yeah

[rigid snow]

don't all jetbrains ides have a community edition now, so rider? or does it not work with unity or something

[frozen hollow]

Ah when i used VS for unity that was not free

also (free for personal) not professional I'm guessin

[rigid snow]

ye

isn't vs the same

[quasi oyster]

ive just back back to discord after 3 years what the fuck is a pin (can someone show me it pls)

[frozen hollow]

oh you're right but I'm sure I qualified for something that I wouldn't have from other companies -- MS give out free stuff so often lol

[rigid snow]

true

[frozen hollow]

top right if you on desktop at least

[quasi oyster]

phone

[frozen hollow]

tap "programming"

[rigid snow]

tap channel name, there's a pins tab

[quasi oyster]

got it

cheers lads

[real sierra]

every day the bugs get worse

there seems to be no end to it

i made a small code change it ended up completely bricking unity

this one is admittedly my fault instead of unity's but i dont really know how to fix it

[rough bloom]

what change? completely bricking it seems impressive

[real sierra]

i had a hacky Task.Run executing an async call from a synchronous context

but the stuff it was calling got sad that it wasn't on the main thread so i thought i'd try removing a layer of encapsulation

whatever i did seems to have caused thread deadlock

[rough bloom]

async

ye sounds bad

[real sierra]

this is a problem i really need a good solution to tbh

its a whole can of worms

[rough bloom]

Unity not good with that IIRC

[real sierra]

so many of the calling functions are synchronous because the signature is predefined

but any networked RPC calls that want to return values must be called asynchronously

[frozen hollow]

Can you use coroutines to query these

[real sierra]

but then unity functions can only be called from the main thread so you cant call them from within any of the tasking threads used by async

[frozen hollow]

isn't that the sort of pseudo async you can use to unlock your thread

[real sierra]

explain it to me like im 5

i started using C# for the first time three days ago

[frozen hollow]

basically cause it's on a game loop you can't hang on stuff between frames

so coroutines like return to look at things across frames

I don't know if it's a fit for your specific issue btw

[rough bloom]

ye, it's basically Unity's brand of async I think

[frozen hollow]

I remember using a plugin like "better coroutines" that wrapped the task runner within the Unity stuff, which IIRC is older than the task runner stuff that now exists

I have to imagine they've improved things since I last touched it..

[rough bloom]

Coroutines are also useful for handling long asynchronous operations, such as waiting for HTTP transfers, asset loads, or file I/O to complete.
thank you Unity docs
not sure if RPC also fits in there but would work probably

[warped narwhal]

Coroutines are cooperative async routines.

Unlike most async which gets preempted, coroutines get to choose when they await, and they can return a value when doing so.

This lets you stream async results over time, rather than having to wait for everything to be ready at once

[frozen hollow]

One thing I do remember - their performance was awful out the box

that's more an issue if you used tons of them

and it was like a state machine that checked up on the process every time it was called (like in OnUpdate()) so it didn't try to return back to a function that had ended 300 frames ago

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

most used game engine
barely functions

yeah that tracks

[tender river]

barely functions because

it written in

object oriented language

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1455273822625333375.webp?size=48

it

objects instead

[real sierra]

oh wiat

i get joke

[obsidian mantle]

unity

[rough bloom]

ye gamedevs are crazy
I don't know how they do it

[obsidian mantle]

colliders didnt collide

[burnt oasis]

Just code it till it works (tm)

[real sierra]

nono i fixed the colliders

[glad path]

[real sierra]

it was my mistake for assuming you selected Physics2D for 2D physics

[obsidian mantle]

true just duct tape it until its good enough

[rough bloom]

I don't have enough duct tape

[obsidian mantle]

smh how could you assume that

[rigid snow]

dear discord if it's past due then maybe apply any of the credit now instead of in a month

[obsidian mantle]

why they even divided colliders into 2d and 3d

just make 1 collider and separate it internally

[tender river]

different physics engines

[rough bloom]

ye
2D colliders are just different than 3D colliders
makes sense to separate

[obsidian mantle]

its all 3d in unity anyway

is it not

[rough bloom]

not colliders I think?

[tender river]

coordinate system 3d

[rough bloom]

the rendering is

[obsidian mantle]

yeah they just have 0 z

[tender river]

z is important for 2d rendering

[obsidian mantle]

yes it gives layers

i mean scale z

for collisions its ignored i think?

[frozen hollow]

that's the cheap way to do the z layer yeah

[obsidian mantle]

i felt like 2d collider is 3d collider but z is ignored

[frozen hollow]

yes

[obsidian mantle]

then why separate

[frozen hollow]

I don't remember why they have the 2d versions - I thought it was practically syntactic sugar?

[obsidian mantle]

people said its different physics engine

however you can slam both 2d and 3d colliders into both 2d or 3d i think

so it looks like they both work on both engines

but if you put 3d collider in 2d world they never collide 3d-wise because z is scaled to 0 and they never really intersect

i guess the game itself doesnt know if its 2d or 3d

its all 3d

so you have to explicitly tell it that these colliders are 2d

is this possible explanation?

[rough bloom]

you have to tell it anyway, the shapes are just different

[obsidian mantle]

they should have called 3d collider "collider3d" and not just "collider"

[frozen hollow]

now that I think is because Unity originally was meant to be specifically 3d and people "hacked" it using sprites and infinite Z space for colliders

I think it carries a lot of legacy jank - I hope godot or something can keep it down

[hard delta]

does chat use bitlocker btw

(or luks or such equivalents when on linux)

[obsidian mantle]

i guess this means its off

[tender river]

i do use luks

[sage crag]

i use luks as well

not on my pc

but on leaf's pc

[obsidian mantle]

[tender river]

[hard delta]

i was gonna la di da turn it on but then turns out it has a serious performance impact because cpu can't keep up with them modern pcie5 nvme speeds

also turns out there's a way to make the disk do it for itself, and my disk support it too

and i can even enable that with samsung magician!

[sage crag]

wrr

[hard delta]

and it will start working... right after a clean install

which i just finished

[sage crag]

oh that's from Monsters vs Aliens 2

[hard delta]

honestly nobody is breaking into my house to steal my data but if i ever have to take the pc for a repair my data will by lying around like that smh

[sage crag]

sorry i meant Monsters vs Aliens: Mutant Pumpkins from Outer Space

[obsidian mantle]

extract the drive before giving it to repair

[sage crag]

what's up with this franchise by the way

[frozen hollow]

Let me try that on my MacBook

[obsidian mantle]

i recently discovered that macbooks dont have active cooling

[frozen hollow]

Mine does

It’s the main diff between the pro and air.. ironically the fan is only on the pro

[obsidian mantle]

[hard delta]

arm chip go brr

(does not)

[sage crag]

it's got the strangest ensemble cast of:

• 100ft tall lady;
• blue goop with one eye;
• like, a fish guy;
• a cockroach guy scientist thing;
• some sort of military guy;

probably more

its also on the internet archive???

or, 21 minutes of it is

[obsidian mantle]

it sounds like tung tung sahur universe thing

[sage crag]

not sure how long the full film is

[tender river]

https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/ps500213-self-encrypting-drive-vulnerabilities

[sage crag]

its the full film

21 minutes

shorter than i remember

[obsidian mantle]

21?

[sage crag]

yes

im watching it on the internet archive right now

my cousins were watching this over 1.5 decades ago

[tender river]

1.5 decades

[sage crag]

yes

it sounds longer than 15 years

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1439394374877450273.webp?size=48&name=sognog

[tender river]

why do i keep trying to make things that i have no idea how to make

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1458218703987408987.png?size=160&name=MiyagiPat

because

u stupid

[tender river]

[sage crag]

im 12 minutes into the film

[silent cloak]

man im over engineering my backend api

i need to set like a timer or something for how long i should allow myself to code something

[sage crag]

i have now finished the film

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1452045422074925066.png?size=160&name=MiyagiCat

wow

its bad

https://tenor.com/view/30000-usd-gif-13674633028161831364

[rigid snow]

[flint dome]

@covert bane you can have your c back it was fun having it

[tender river]

tesco exclusive

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

wrr

[sage crag]

tesco and

internet archive

[sick owl]

This is how a real pro secures their unused headers

Watch and learn

[sage crag]

wrr

[sick owl]

I see

[quasi furnace]

If I want to change a value that isnt stored on a drive during runtime, only on startup and exit, wtf do I do 😭

[obsidian mantle]

change it there where its stored then

[tender river]

wow that was a waste of bandwidth

not mine but

internet archive's

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1432142118624825556.png?size=160&name=StareAtYouNeuro

[sage crag]

ye

me say it was bad

user@nixos ~/D/journal> ls
2025-12-24  2026-01-15

great journal

[hard delta]

looks like mine

slowly it grows!

[sage crag]

i was supposed to write in it every day

[hard delta]

all that suppose and post-reflection on the journal itself is bad overhead
focus on more journal

[sage crag]

r

rr

[hard delta]

rrr

[tender river]

i realized the error of my ways

my vm

no longer weird

maybe a little bit

i gave up on every idea except my original idea of using order maintenance for efficient reevaluation cutoffs

order maintenance is a complicated problem but a solved one

so

this algo should be a matter of time for me to implement

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1238703618454982777.webp?size=48

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/30000-usd-gif-13674633028161831364

[tender river]

when im rich from

making best and most useful vm in the world

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1461026561871577132.webp?size=48&name=EmiAlso

mean

never

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1461026561871577132.webp?size=48&name=EmiAlso

[tender river]

we will see

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1425864339994312804.gif?size=160&name=ElvynNya

[sage crag]

youtube shorts are popular, 1.78 million views

[hard delta]

oh my

are you gonna be reading that?

[tender river]

i havent read kitakawa but i guess i understand why

[hard delta]

it's a little silly

i'm at like 65% but i just happened to be busy the next day and then it snowballed from there into 2024

if i finish it i might have never started watching

[sage crag]

ive already read it

[sage crag]

the front cover art is good, but im not a huge fan of the series

[hard delta]

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kon-anime-anime-girl-willcore-gif-24034970

Goodmorning

I have slept 22 out of the last 32 hours

i should do something productive

[frozen hollow]

[mossy fossil]

Ideas for my Home Server:

File Server (Not Done Yet unless you consider sftp, but that's built into ssh.)
Tailscale Exit Node (Done)
PiHole (Done)
Discord Bot (The First of the many things done)
TF2 Server (Done, but only running whenever i feel like it.)

[warped narwhal]

Good, now deploy everything using kubernetes and have everything autoscale

[clever cloak]

what do we think about this type of variable declaring?
set var to 25
set var1 = 'hi'

[olive sable]

i want to have a server, but i know i wont use it that much

just want it cuz its cool, not cuz i need it

[fiery anchor]

a programmer pet rock

[clever cloak]

a minecraft server?

[olive sable]

jsut a server in general

the hardware

[clever cloak]

we need a programmer pet turtle

[worthy pier]

how bad is bios being 3 years old

[olive sable]

not bad at all i think

unless its like 13th or 14th gen intel

[clever cloak]

if you are fine with being tired often then its fine

[worthy pier]

erm

[fiery anchor]

programmer pet rock turtle, gotta have weight if you wanna throw it at marketing

[rough bloom]

ye that kinda what a homelab is
don't really need it, it's just to play around with stuff
if you actually require it then it ceases to be a lab

[olive sable]

the urge to buy 8 3090s and make a rendering powerhouse

or ai i guess, but thats not really in my wheelhouse

i think you'd only need 5K for that actually

[fiery anchor]

there is a new ai hat for the pi. slap a battery on it -> llm server2go

[amber fractal]

maybe 6K total if you go xeon

[olive sable]

im not really upto date on how the numbering of xeons or threadrippers work

i have no dea which ones are good or bad

[sage crag]

chumi

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1427310217506328617.webp?size=48&name=ERT

[olive sable]

konii

[sage crag]

sam

.

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

for Epycs (which I think you'd want from AMD if you want tons of lanes for cheap) the last letter is the generation
Rome is relatively cheap now, anything newer still expensive
for performance you mostly just have to care about cores I think, that's kinda what they're built to scale
idk about Intel

[rough bloom]

wrrrr

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1428762275422011502.png?size=160&name=EvilEGGS!

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1432138279679033354.png?size=160&name=YouShouldBeFrightened

[fiery anchor]

is intel nowadays even a acceptable option?

[olive sable]

yes

lowest bidder and all that

[rough bloom]

yeah, not horrible

[potent geyser]

Epyc 9684X looks insane

[opaque sigil]

yeah so does the price

[potent geyser]

L3 Cache
1152 MB

[fiery anchor]

booting linux from L3 Cache sounds fun.

[rough bloom]

Genoa 💸

won't even give you more lanes I think

ye, even a little 8 core Rome gives you 128 lanes 64 lanes (need 2 sockets for 128)

[olive sable]

the cpus i can find are these
epyc 7401P, 108 euro
epyc 7402P, 361 euro
epyc 7302P, 361 euro
epyc 7313, 349 euro
epyc 3751P, 120 euro
epyc 7252 (unlocked????), 65 euro

[opaque sigil]

most of the cost will probably come from the motherboard

[rough bloom]

some Epycs are locked to specific vendors, usually Dell

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

Dell-locked CPUs are super cheap, but they only work in Dell servers, so not great

[fiery anchor]

there a lot of used dell servers though

[mossy fossil]

oh and all of these are on a core 2 duo machine.

though truth be told, i need to consider maybe throwing in a mechanical HDD for storage for that thing

[rough bloom]

there are, if you're willing to deal with that then it's probably a good deal

[mossy fossil]

i have... a few of them waiting for a use

[olive sable]

then there are also some full systems
ASUS RS500A-E12-RS12U with epyc 9334 for 1.6K (no ram or storage)
Dell PowerEdge R7525 DualEPYC RTX8000 256Gb Ram with 2 epyx 7F52 for 6K

[mossy fossil]

let's see my tiny box of computer parts...

hm, 2x Toshiba 500 GB Laptop Drives... this could work.

i'd have to run a SMART test on these before i'd throw it in as additional storage to the home server, but hey, free storage is free (provided they still work)

[amber fractal]

Dell servers don't have lanes, so it is understandable

[rough bloom]

6K for 32 cores
Dell always kinda expensive, SP3 isn't ancient yet, but that still seems high, mabe RAM prices

[rough bloom]

PCIe x16 slots you mean

[olive sable]

• Modèle : Dell PowerEdge R7525
• Processeurs : 2 × AMD EPYC 7F52 – 16 cœurs / 32 threads – 3,5 GHz – 256 Mo cache
• Mémoire : 256 Go DDR4 ECC 3200 MHz (8×32 Go RDIMM)
• Stockage : 3× SSD SATA Enterprise 960 Go Hot-Plug (3,5″ Hybrid Carrier)
• Carte graphique : NVIDIA RTX 8000 48 Go GDDR6 ECC – PCIe x16 – refroidissement passif
• Contrôleur RAID : Dell PERC H745
• Réseau : Intel X710 Dual Port 10 GbE SFP+ (OCP NIC 3.0)
• Alimentation : 2× 2400 W Platinum Hot-Plug Redondantes (haute capacité, certifiées Dell)
• Châssis : 8 baies 3,5″, rails coulissants ReadyRails inclus
• Gestion : iDRAC9 Enterprise – accès distant complet
• Garantie Dell ProSupport active jusqu’au 9 janvier 2026

its dell

[amber fractal]

yeah, it is just mostly cpu preformance

not really for connecting devices

[rough bloom]

oh yeah, they're definitely not built for 8 GPUs, they're usually 1U or 2U servers after all

[amber fractal]

At least if my memory serves correctly

[rough bloom]

ye, just general purpose compute + some 2.5" storage usually, at least with older servers

[amber fractal]

I think even their threadripper workstations also don't have many x16 slots for the same reason

older stuff of course

[fiery anchor]

2× 2400 W, that thing would need its own new breakers in my house

[olive sable]

the 1.6K one is probably the best deal, but then id have to get some ddr5 ram.
and i know damnw ell that anything more than 64gb is gonna cost more than that server itself

[rough bloom]

I'm sure the lanes are available somewhere, but you're gonna have to go searching, adapt those to proper slots and run that out of the chassis to wherever you want to put the GPUs
easier to just completely DIY it IMO 4U chassis is cheap

[rough bloom]

they aren't active at the same time, but yeah

[amber fractal]

one less breaker to add

[olive sable]

most of the threadrippers i can find are older ones with 16 cores, so they perform worse than my current cpu

[amber fractal]

Every time I think of threadrippers for gpus, I'm just reminded that PCI switch chips are only 1k new (needs like 500 in cables) for gen 5. Just depends on if you really need that bandwidth to CPU or just need them to be accessible by the CPU and able to communicate among themselves.

Intrusive thought that won't go away

[opaque sigil]

you do NOT want pci switches if you can avoid it

[olive sable]

full pcs with
Threadripper 3960X, 32gb ram, 2070 super, 1.1K
Threadripper 3960X, 64gb ram, 2080ti, 1.3K

[rough bloom]

where do you even get those, they're such a niche thing, especially outside of PCIe switched fabrics
-# it's aliexpress isn't it

[amber fractal]

Surprisingly not aliexpress

[rough bloom]

[amber fractal]

https://c-payne.com/products/pcie-gen4-switch-5x-x16-microchip-switchtec-pm40100
This goober

[olive sable]

my pc is making a lot of noise, and its at 78C
its not even doing anything

[rough bloom]

random guy

[azure lynx]

someone is doing something if it's at 78C

[amber fractal]

this is gen 4, classic me not reading

there is a gen 5 on the site but it is a lot more painful

[amber fractal]

Is this for cost or just slowdown

[olive sable]

those readings look weird. half the cores are way too hot

73, 48, 73, 48

nah those readings must be wrong

its changing 20C up and down in seconds

[amber fractal]

I legit just think it depends on the workflow as long as devices don't have to talk to the CPU to coordinate among themselves. But that could be a falsehood

[olive sable]

this jsut cant be right, its using the wrong sensors or somwething

[azure lynx]

doesn't match with activity either. do you have another tool? maybe just the console top command? it might

and it's it a repeating pattern. maybe the real sensor doesn't exist

[rough bloom]

some cores on that CCD are under load
I think it's just heating up

[olive sable]

at the very least its using the same sensor for all the cores on that ccd then

[rough bloom]

ye, probably junction temperature

which would explain why it's so spiky

[opaque sigil]

yes, it makes things unnecessarily complicated

[azure lynx]

i guess i'd just ignore the temp beside the cores. coz they're not per core.

[olive sable]

i wonder what i fucked up to get it to be like this

[rough bloom]

waybar kill

[olive sable]

thats per core i think

still, 50% is a lot

[rough bloom]

ye it is

[azure lynx]

55% of one core is still a chunk of compute

[olive sable]

i think i have another cava bug

[amber fractal]

you may say unnecessary complicated, but I see a small price to pay to not buy into overpriced threadrippers + motherboards unless I really need cores.

If the only reason is complicated, then it is fair game for those who can put in the effort

[rough bloom]

you can get an epyc system with 128 lanes for less than just the switch

(Threadripper probably is expensive ye)

(also not sure about RAM prices now (but have to buy separately anyway))

[olive sable]

128gb ddr5

[olive sable]

it seems like i haver a lot of cava bugs
ill need to rewrite this whole script

that's what you get for stealing code form the internet

[amber fractal]

If the argument was only about lanes, then just grab a epyc server. Looking outside of raw lane count, I personally see a usecase in expanding an existing system instead of buying a new one.

[quick condor]

Im on the fence, not sure if (when I go to build the system) I should whitebox or something like a dell XE9680. planning on going with rtx pro 6000s

[amber fractal]

I will admit it is on thin ice

[fiery anchor]

hm. if this keeps going RAM will be more expensive than Gold by weight.

[rough bloom]

if you really need to expand an existing system instead of replacing it or just adding a new one then yeah, you're kinda forced into using a switch
but common practice is to just replace a machine after it's too weak instead of upgrading

[hard delta]

based and eepy

[amber fractal]

A 256gb stick of ddr5 is halfway there

[quick condor]

not going to happen as gold is a component in ram

[amber fractal]

Incorrect, gold is a partial part of ram not all of it. It'd be called gold then

[quick condor]

27.5 grams of gold recovered from ram

[quick condor]

Did I not say component

[rough bloom]

why would that matter
RAM is completely different than gold, even if gold is a material used as part of it

[amber fractal]

You did, but I'm calling you stupid regardless because that is just incorrect

[fiery anchor]

in the end, you could always hotglue a diamond on it to bridge the gap

[olive sable]

i think what iggly meant is that it could become more expensive as the price of the chips will outweigh the value of the gold

[vestal prism]

looks like a pill, why gold and not copper btw? or am i tripping and its not gold what is in the thing that enter in the motherboard

[amber fractal]

gold is more conductive so it makes sense to use as traces get smaller

[fiery anchor]

contacts are often gold plated for corrosion resistance

[amber fractal]

that as well

[olive sable]

doest matter even if its fully made of gold, it could still become a lot more valuable than gold due to the manufacturing

the value is not just the base materials

[quick condor]

Gold is ductile. it is used to connect the bga contacts to the silicon as well as plating the contacts. There is much more gold in the chips compared to the contacts. The contacts are gold plated copper

[olive sable]

so?

[fiery anchor]

sits back and watches the fire burn that he ignited

[quick condor]

ram has a price floor due to the price of gold. beyond production constraints, the price of gold has a direct impact on ram prices

[amber fractal]

Can I get some marshmallows?

[olive sable]

thats like saying the price of goods is dependant on the value of money

[fiery anchor]

no, but we have bread on a stick.

[amber fractal]

Sure, that works

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

price floor, sure (even though that will practically never matter)
but price ceiling?

[opaque sigil]

god i wish we could hit the price floor

[quick condor]

No, gold is a base resource. Its more that the price of gold tracks the rate of inflation/scarcity/demand

[olive sable]

im not on economist so idk about all that

inflation sure, but demand of what?

[quick condor]

the resource

[muted jasper]

Ah, ram prices

[olive sable]

oh i see what you mean

[quick condor]

gold is used for many applications

also for ram to reach the price of gold, an average single dimm would have to cost $2220

[olive sable]

i think the amount of gold used in 2GB dimms is roughyl the same as in 256GB dimms, so it shouldnt have an influence at all

[muted jasper]

hey, mister. so you're saying ram prices raised because gold demand raised right?

[burnt marsh]

no bc ai data centers i think

[quick condor]

no but its a factor

[azure lynx]

no. ram prices raised because more people wanted ram.

[muted jasper]

I was asking his opinion

[azure lynx]

and there was only a fixed amount of ram

[quick condor]

same demand on the consumer side, more demand on the datacenter side. Gold price/inflation isnt helping

[muted jasper]

I guess we can check gold prices for last months to see if that has anything to do with it, I guess?

[fiery anchor]

it's supply / demand, as always. There was once a time where salt was as valuable as Gold.

[muted jasper]

Shhh!

[azure lynx]

stop stunting conversation.

[quick condor]

its per chip about the same. until you get into larger chips (used in 64+ gb modules) but usually larger modules have more chips

[muted jasper]

I just want to see where that person comes from

[azure lynx]

you can DM if you wanna talk to one person

[olive sable]

i don't think 256Gb of ram sticks costs 1461 euro because of the 0.1 grams of gold used

[azure lynx]

it's not your channel

[quick condor]

256 is an outlier

[fiery anchor]

all good, all good.

[burnt marsh]

does anyone who has a neuro lava lamp know what vedal used to heat the lava lamp without the lights overheating? im running into an issue with that making mine

[muted jasper]

I didn't mean to "not say what you have to say" if it came across that way

[olive sable]

an outlier
ok fine, i dont think 128GB ram stick costs 667 euro because of the 0.1 grams of gold used

[azure lynx]

the "shh" certainly did

[unkempt citrus]

*when averaged over decades

[quick condor]

in smaller modules there is way less than 0.1 gram but the major costs in ram are the silicon inside the bga, gold and copper

[amber fractal]

Trust me on this, he has been butting heads against a lot of us due to some "viewpoints" on cost to prefomance

[muted jasper]

I'm sorry. I just wanted to hear what they have to say and not hear the "right" answer

I don't really care that much, but it's interesting what people think

[fiery anchor]

in traditional lavalamps the lightbulb is the heatsource for the lava, heat is intentional. with specific wattage ofc.

[amber fractal]

Here's the start of the thread for you @muted jasper

[olive sable]

0.1 grams of gold is like 12 euro rn, ands sure the prices have gone up. but i dont think that 12 euro contributes too much to the ram pricing

[unkempt citrus]

He has the LEDs in the base and then heats the glass with an induction coil

The LEDs are air gapped from the coil

[frozen hollow]

How does yours look under the bottle

[olive sable]

its 12 euro of gold in the 256gb sticks, 12 euro of gold int he 128gb sticks, 12 euro of gold int he 64gb sticks

its the same

[hard delta]

https://tenor.com/view/marshmallow-roasted-marshmallow-smores-gif-7268824

[frozen hollow]

Damn 12 euros of gold

[azure lynx]

something something higher component density something something lower yields something demand. higher prices.

[frozen hollow]

More than I thought for sure

[quick condor]

The base costs of the components + supply/demand does impact price significantly. If component cost doubles, they arent going to take a lower profit margin. the price will go up proportionally

[olive sable]

its a pretty high estimate, its probably a lot lower

[unkempt citrus]

The Gold argument for RAM price is stupid. Gold started rising in price in late 23. Ram spiked in Oct 25.

You know what else happened in Oxt 25? Sam altman bought 40% of the world's RAM supply

[burnt marsh]

does the base get hot? or is it just the coil in the glass

[hard delta]

sure, but it has no price cap
when there's an auction bidding for the last buyable ram stick, while there's tons of gold all around the place, there won't be an increased demand for gold, just an increased demand for that one ram stick

[amber fractal]

a ram stick is weighed at 1.1 oz without heatsink

[unkempt citrus]

Initially just the coil, but it then transfers back into the base

[hard delta]

man everything i say was said by someone else before... watching twitch makes you 🥈

[unkempt citrus]

It works the same way as an induction stove basically

[amber fractal]

wrong mesurement

[quick condor]

average weight is 15 grams wtf is 1.1

oz nvm

[burnt marsh]

interesting... wonder if they sell induction heaters that screw into lightbulb sockets

[quick condor]

i know how much is in ram chips its about 3-5g per kg of chips

[unkempt citrus]

They're not too hard to make, it's just some coils to make a magnetic field

Now doing it safely on the other hand

That might be a bit harder

[quick condor]

I have 2kg of ram chips sitting in hcl right now

[azure lynx]

making your own lava lamp == dangerous. they can explode if overheated.

or cooled too quickly.

[burnt marsh]

on your globe does the coil stick out of the glass? or does it not matter for induction to work

[burnt marsh]

i have a lava lamp, i just want to make it neuro compatible

[unkempt citrus]

No it's inside. Induction has a bit of range so for safety it's inside

[azure lynx]

careful which components you remove

[olive sable]

if it was dependent on the price of gold, then ddr5 would be the same price as ddr2, 128gb would be the same price as 128mb
it just don't work like that
jsut like how a 10 year old cpu is made formt he same materials as a brand new one, the new one is worth more

[unkempt citrus]

Question, does a NAND package have gold in it?

[frozen hollow]

What’s that

[olive sable]

small amounts iirc

[frozen hollow]

The black chips?

[burnt marsh]

okay. mine has that too. not just gotta find an induction heater that fits and is the right power

[fiery anchor]

i think there was a weird lithography step that involved gold, not sure though.

[quick condor]

yes

[unkempt citrus]

NAND is what's driving the price of ram. From October to Novemebr, the unit price of NAND went from $6 to $27

[azure lynx]

price of everything is 100% due to demand. if there is no demand for something you won't sell it at any price.

[quick condor]

actually more than the plating and its 24k

[azure lynx]

and demand varies due to availability. and low availability can have multiple causes

[unkempt citrus]

Gold has been rising, but its been rising since 2023. The ram price is much more recent and is just due to Sam Altman

[quick condor]

Its not the lithography, gold bond wires connect the silicon to the bga pads

[muted jasper]

I mean, maybe gold prices have to do something with raise of prices but it's clearly not the core of it, so... what's the argument about anyway

[olive sable]

not going to happen as gold is a component in ram was replied on this

[unkempt citrus]

RAM prices were falling since COVID until October 25 because there was an oversupply

[fiery anchor]

ah right, yes.

[unkempt citrus]

Gold has been rising since late 2023 after the US and EU froze Russia's bank accounts

And then rising further as the US becomes more instable

Now RAM spiked because there's undersupply after some fucker bought 40% of the world's supply above market rates

[azure lynx]

"For example, according to the World Gold Council, a typical cell phone may contain 50 mg of gold, worth about three dollars. But since nearly one billion cell phones are produced each year, a gold value of US$2.82 (equivalent to $3 in 2024) in each phone adds to US$2.82 billion in gold from just this application (equivalent to $3,030,040,937 in 2024)."

not a whole lot of gold

[muted jasper]

There's another viewpoint - what if raise of gold prices caused by raise of RAM demand, how about that?

[unkempt citrus]

Timeline makes no sense for that

You could make that argument for silver but not gold

[quick condor]

IDK I was just saying that ram prices (average not extreme examples) wolnt exceed the price of gold as higher prices of ram lead to increase in supply pressure which results in more demand for raw resources meaning more demand for gold

[unkempt citrus]

We know who is buying the Gold though, and it's not electronics manufacturers

[olive sable]

thats possible and probably lready happened in really smalle percentages of gold price increase, but it wont be a visible climb due to the existing inflation already happening

[unkempt citrus]

It's banks

They're buying gold because they can no longer trust the US

Gold has now exceeded the US treasury as the greatest store of wealth for banks for the first time since the end of ww2

[azure lynx]

only 10% of gold is used for "industrial" uses. most is jewelery or investment.

[burnt marsh]

does the coil say 12v 1.9a? or is it not that

[unkempt citrus]

12V 1.9A yee

[burnt marsh]

okay. this might be possible to actually make. just gotta actually find a coil that looks the same, or ask vedal what it is

[unkempt citrus]

You should be able to buy generic induction coils

[azure lynx]

plot the prices of both on the same graph. it should become obvious how related they are

[burnt marsh]

do they not have to be angled a certain way? also do i have to use a special led and base that isnt metal? or is that a non-issue

[unkempt citrus]

Angle isn't too important, it just needs to be close enough to heat up

LED just need to be heat resistant and be a 3 wire LED to ontrol the colour

Base can be whatever, again just heat resistant. Not being metal is probably a good idea though so you don't burn yourself accidentally touching it while it's on

[fiery anchor]

it might be safer to simply buy an existing rgb lava lamp and hack the remote control.
Your idea building your own is frightening.

[azure lynx]

you are using lots of very loose words for things that can explode and shower you with glass and boiling liquids if you do them wrong.

[burnt marsh]

i would but i dont see any that are the right shape..

[burnt marsh]

maybe this isnt a great idea...

i already have the lamp tho :c

[unkempt citrus]

That's true, I tend to understate risks with personal projects

But that risk comes from thermal shock. If it's not changing temperature too quickly the risk isn't too high

If you have a lava lamp already, and it's a white one, my suggestion would be just or put the LEDs on the outside

And leave everything else as is

[azure lynx]

have you tried a glitter lamp? same general idea as a lava lamp but instead of molten wax inside it, it's got reflective or translucent plastic pieces floating around. the very gently heating makes them move and cast beams in random directions.

[unkempt citrus]

If it's already coloured it won't be compatible as they usually use filment bulbs rather than induction

[fiery anchor]

If proper care is taken, it becomes unlikely that nature selects your fate.

[burnt marsh]

okay, id just like the globe to be the neuro colour and look as similar as possible. it uses a filament bulb but the wax and liquid are white/clear because i replaced them.

[azure lynx]

just nobody try make their own plasma globe with a [redacted high voltage component].

different colors are much harder with those ;]