programming

[sick owl]

The dog is more practical for work settings, but I think a central lift with two arms and a wheeled base is optimal for household chores

[silent cloak]

it will run into the same issues as a roomba likely

it also cant be too top heavy

[sick owl]

At least in the UK most houses have their bedrooms upstairs and their kitchen, living room etc. downstairs so you'd really only need them to navigate one floor

[silent cloak]

or the center of gravity is gonna be really bad

[sick owl]

That's a good point, I think there's bumps in the base are weighted if I'm not mistaken

If they aren't they should be

Wait actually I think they cover the wheels

[silent cloak]

yeah but again if its just essentially a pole with heavy arms ontop

they will weigh quite a bit (well depends on what ur having it do)

[olive sable]

i think the most fool-proof is 4 legged with wheels and an arm or 2

[sick owl]

The arms aren't actually that heavy

https://youtu.be/6D0SmArW1as

[silent cloak]

ah i didnt see their full range of movement

[olive sable]

im not a big believer in 3 wheeled.

they have bad ground clearance for carpets and stuff

[silent cloak]

but yeah that could work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvK2I_ASXLo

this is another interesting movement solution

(a very strong one too)

[sick owl]

While I agree in principle the main thing with a home robot is keeping the price down

[olive sable]

true

[silent cloak]

naturally

i mean having the roomba range of movement isnt good but i suppose it could still be practical (depending on how ur average home layouts are)

[sick owl]

That design while obviously a dev bot is around £500-600

[sick owl]

Given the low cost of components I think something like that will be the first to hit homes successfully

[olive sable]

the 1 extra wheel in itself isnt too expensive, but then you alse need to figure out a robust steering solution and stuff. so that ads some costs to both hardware and software side

[sick owl]

In fact, the one switchbot has been demoing at CES is very similar

And I think it was probably also the most plausible of the home robots they showed off at this years CES

[olive sable]

i believe robot dog with wheels is more versatile, so it should be better for a wider variety of tasks

[sick owl]

It's not more versatile specifically for home chores though, you're limited by height with a dog

Unless you make it a lumbering beast, in which case it's not really suitable for the home

[silent cloak]

for robotics i love to always look back at this old video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2nn1X9Xlps

its a classic for me

[sick owl]

You could mount a lift with arms on the back of a dog but that's getting a bit silly

[olive sable]

true

dishwasher and washing machine and stuff should still be reachable by one tho

[olive sable]

i think it would benefit more from longer arms instead

[sick owl]

Ridiculous but very entertaining design

[silent cloak]

its more just a scaled up demo of what can be done with swarm systems

[sick owl]

Problem is the longer you make a robot arm the lower the maximum payload before it stalls at any given spec

So cost comes into it again at that point

[olive sable]

IRL SCREEPS

@ shiro

[sick owl]

@real sierra

Justified ping you make a good point

[olive sable]

damn, bro actually pinged him

[silent cloak]

its a birthday gift

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

hi shiro

[sick owl]

Screeps but real

[real sierra]

this is so cool, its actually screeps

[silent cloak]

i used to watch it a decade ago

they arent fast by modern standards but its such a cool concept

[olive sable]

you could gear them down at the cost of speed

maybe variable arm length if the budget is higher

[silent cloak]

the swarm in the swarm

[sick owl]

The status LEDs are a really fun touch

[silent cloak]

the part i like the most is the drone essentially building navmesh

or more likely just lidar

sticking to the ceiling

i feel like that whole setup of robots is something a supervillan would send into a place to steal something

[sick owl]

It reminds me of the titular arc in arc raiders

[quick condor]

Well finally running validation on the first training dataset

[silent cloak]

https://youtu.be/6crlvh90xq8?t=63

or this at 1:03

[sick owl]

Damn I can see why OpenAI are scared of Google now

Surprised to see as many people using Perplexity as Claude, I don't think I know a single person who cares about Perplexity

[true hemlock]

wh

[silent cloak]

feels like everyone has beaten OpenAI

claude has had them by the throat for years

[azure lynx]

with their very very small hands, based on that chart.

and 64.5% market share isn't beaten.

[silent cloak]

im going off of output quality

shatgpt has been around longer

[azure lynx]

it doesn't matter how good your grip on their throat is if your hands are very tiny.

you still aren't beating them where it matters.

[hearty notch]

openai is suffering the most for 1. having the least ethical backbone and 2. being the winner among normies and having to deal with the fallout of normies using it badly (e.g. the psychosis and suicide articles)

also they also seem to be the least coherent in terms of financial outlook

google at least has owned their own TPU infra forever and has a gigantic cashflow moat and anthropic runs a tighter ship

openai just feels like its flailing all over the place

and like having been the original market dominator kinda means theres nowhere to go but down in terms of market share

[hearty notch]

i cared about it briefly when it appeared to be one of the more cost effective ways of using things and searching but it became clear their engineering just wasnt up to par pretty quickly and then i realized there were context window issues too

[gritty dust]

@olive sable guess whattttttttttt

[olive sable]

[gritty dust]

i recently got permission from my school to use the CNC lab to make the electron microscope when I get the moneyyyyy

[olive sable]

electron microscope?

[gritty dust]

yeah, the goal is 0.5 microns (500nm) resolution or better

[silent cloak]

u could almost see my heart with that scale

[gritty dust]

lol

[gritty dust]

we're so going broke lol

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

ye.. "heart"

[gritty dust]

Im trying to find a job bc since im not entering any contest I dont get like any funding buh just aproved access to the machines

[olive sable]

how expensive could it be?

[silent cloak]

do u atleast get an HEV suit

[gritty dust]

*looks at list... er 1.5k right now probably more since thats assuming it goes perfectly

[olive sable]

so 2 months of income roughly

[gritty dust]

about one month here

[olive sable]

wher edo you live again? canada?

[silent cloak]

canada debuff

[gritty dust]

yeah

[olive sable]

oh ye

canada money is worthless

[gritty dust]

wha

a

not wrong lol

[olive sable]

roughly 1 month then ye

[gritty dust]

yeah basically

sadly no job until 2 weeks from now (since i got exams

[olive sable]

i also have exams

[gritty dust]

when are yours?

[olive sable]

last wednesday till next week wednesday

[gritty dust]

damnn

[olive sable]

i thought you were still in secondary school. how are your exams in january?

[gritty dust]

mine are the 22nd, 23rd, 26th, 27th

[gritty dust]

we have 2 semesters, semester one ends in january

and so at the end of each semester are exams

[olive sable]

2ndary school here has exams in december

[gritty dust]

luckyy

we have rst's next week which are worth the same as exams just harder

[olive sable]

rst

[gritty dust]

whoever made rst week and exam week one after eachother suck

[olive sable]

Rapid Software Testing?

[gritty dust]

no Lolll

rich summative task

its an assignment on everything in the course in that semester

[olive sable]

isnt that what the exam is for?

[gritty dust]

thats what im sayinggggggg

its exams 2.0 at this point

[olive sable]

[gritty dust]

my physics rst was a lab on light polarization and another lab on some other stuff

[olive sable]

[gritty dust]

also I think i bricked my vs code because it randomly stopped working haha

[olive sable]

how did you do that????

[gritty dust]

been trying to fix but idk

[gritty dust]

I dont knowwww it wont run any code anymoreeee

[olive sable]

[gritty dust]

idk how I messed it up this bad man

maybe try reinstalling clang

[jagged turtle]

someone has somehow managed to brick vscode

I cannot believe it

[gritty dust]

BRO

I dont know what I did mannn

im thinking of just deleting it and reinstalling completely bc i tried everythign man

[azure lynx]

like "it's hung" or "it crashed and now it doesn't even start"?

and what were you doing when it stopped working?

[gritty dust]

more i went on my computer one day and now nothing will run and nothing works

[jagged turtle]

...

[gritty dust]

[jagged turtle]

idt that's a vscode issue

[gritty dust]

its only vscodeeee

[azure lynx]

i think maybe update antimalware tools and scan the computer

[gritty dust]

i already looked at that and its fine

[azure lynx]

nothing works? like "it doesn't even make a window" or "I can't even make a new text file" or "Co-pilot is not working on my project"?

[gritty dust]

more i cant make new text file and nothing will run in old code files

[azure lynx]

are they all python projects? and have you recently updated python?

[gritty dust]

they're c++

i dont use vscode for python

[young plover]

using VS Code for C++ but not python

[gritty dust]

im just gonna reinstall vscode and hope it works

[azure lynx]

what exactly do you mean "nothing will run"? i don't know if you mean "nothing" because you've already established the GUI starts up but a few functions aren't working which isn't "nothing works"

[gritty dust]

when i try to open previously written code it works but when trying to run it just freezes and is like nah

[azure lynx]

so it's not "nothing will run", it's probably more like "nothing will build"?

[gritty dust]

no more vscode freezes and stops working completely

[hearty notch]

does python hang and overflow easily i dont do python

it sounds like it might be a bug in your code?

[gritty dust]

its all code lol not this project only

[gritty dust]

and its c++

[hearty notch]

oh rip

[azure lynx]

can you build it instead of run it? does that work?

what specific action causes it to stop responding.

[gritty dust]

when click "run code"

[gritty dust]

not really

[glad path]

build from cli

run from cli

[gritty dust]

lemme try one sec

[azure lynx]

and is the processor at 0% or 100% when it's not responding?

(is it waiting for something, or trying to do something impossible?)

[gritty dust]

? my cpu is fine its normal man vs code just crashes and i get a not responding

[gritty dust]

works

[azure lynx]

does the process itself show 100% CPU or 0% CPU in the details tab of the task manager?

or is it not windows?

[gritty dust]

as i thought probably just an error with vscode, running in cli runs it fine

gimmi 10 mins to reinstall

[fervent jolt]

Anyone here has idea how to run this https://player.sw.arm.fm/ fm in my android background while making sure it doesn't stop or paused?

has anyone tried it before?

[jagged turtle]

you just run it and leave it in the background?

https://twitter.com/pcaversaccio/status/2009931485202055168 if you're downloading a repo from some unknown source without checking AND THEN CHOOSING TO TRUST IT then idfk what you are on

sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root / (@pcaversaccio)

i genuinely think everyone in this space should immediately switch to using Vim. DPRK started abusing VS Code hooks that run _automatically_ in the background when you open a folder. ZERO fucking user interaction required _after_ trusting the repo (the trusting part is important

X · Jan 10, 2026, 10:13 AM

[fervent jolt]

idk there's something wrong with the site, it will automatically stop or pause, and you need to manually go to that site again from your android browser jsut to refreshed it

[glass flower]

they specifically added the "do you trust the author" feature because of people like this

[jagged turtle]

seems to be a mobile issue tbh

same thing happens with e.x. yt

[jagged turtle]

using it as an excuse to tell people to immediately switch to vim is interesting as well

since apparently vim also has some form of automation like this as well lmfao

[glass flower]

oh yeah vim has the same kind of automation capabilities. tho i guess baseline vim doesn't only if you actually turn it into a ide

tho i don't know if a per-project automation is possible... atleast out of the box

so far everything i have is done in my home nvim directory nothing in the projects itself. besides language server things that run. like downloading packages to give intellisense etc. i don't know if that is exploitable or not

[jagged turtle]

either way

[glass flower]

i personally always check the tasks and the .vscode folder when i download a repo before trusting it. since it takes like a few seconds

[azure lynx]

many things have automation, especially if they have a scripting engine built in. and some of those are exploitable with specific filenames or subdirectory names. a tool i used for work would read the current directory for a specific sub-folder name on start up and if it existed would execute the python code in a file in that sub-folder. considering the tool was used for analyzing potentially untrustworthy files in the first place, it wasn't good that someone could potentially trick it into doing bad stuff.

[hard delta]

good morning pogramming

[patent shard]

It's 1:14am but I guess that counts

[azure lynx]

the good should be treated as aspirational, not descriptive.

[hard delta]

honeslty, i can see most sane and normal people running into this, it's just bad design

it wouldn't have killed them to label the button "trust and auto-execute"

[azure lynx]

what did you think you were trusting it for?

"i trust that this will do stuff I want. let it do stuff."

and anything you install inside a trusted folder is also trusted the same way

[hard delta]

is this great design?

is this how you'd make your own editor because it's the best way to do?

[azure lynx]

very convenient

[glass flower]

still better than what it was before since it would just execute things directly before

[azure lynx]

there are probably options to set it to behave exactly how you want it.

if not, there will be plugins that do it

[glass flower]

you can make it so your vscode doesn't allow automatic tasks at all

its a setting

[hard delta]

it's especially weird coming from microsoft

like the word "trust" in windows terminology is "yes i downloaded this it's not a folder that some spooky virus spawned there"

that's all that "trust" meant in any microsoft product for like a decade and a half. that "i downloaded it (and not from freemoviedownloads.netflix.shadysite.com)"

[azure lynx]

not even "i downloaded this". it just says you trust it will be fine to use this folder. and now if things go wrong, it's on you.

[hard delta]

it's 100% a bad label

and i'm not even dying on that hill because everyone else is

the design is understandable i guess, just not with this label

[azure lynx]

trust usually means something related to "you have reason to trust this thing comes from a specific source and that the source itself can be trusted for the purpose of that thing."
the exact usage and meaning is context specific.

[jagged turtle]

I mean, idk if this is because I actually read things, but you could have just read that it can allow them to execute things???

[azure lynx]

everyone clicks yes on "do you want to execute this"

[jagged turtle]

that being said I'm not opposed to having like, a list of things that are detected in the untrusted workspace that would execute upon trusting

[glass flower]

this attack vector also wouldn't really care what it says since its part of a code-interview obviously you would "trust" whatever the repo wants

[hard delta]

it doesn't say in the vscode window
all they had to do is write the stuff added by the poster in the orange bubble under the button instead whatever they did.
this is not hard to see, this is not hard to agree to, and it's honestly ridiculous to argue against

[heavy pier]

"untrust" -> "is not build by microsoft-team"

imo

[hard delta]

that's the other use of "trust" microsoft does, yeah

it's a question about "where you got this bro" at best

and then they had a different step for "will you run this? will you elevate this?" since vista

weird UX thing to do, especially when they're about to auto-run code

[azure lynx]

how can you trust something if you don't know where it came from? that's part of trust

[jagged turtle]

Trust folder and enable all features

Again, I wouldn't be opposed to having it be a list (you could also build detection of certain other things and list them here, as a bonus), but the whole point of the popup is to tell you "my guy PLEASE REVIEW THE FOLDER FIRST"

[orchid crest]

"Are you sure this shit is not a virus bro?"

[azure lynx]

the whole point of trusting it is to know your sources and not install sketchy stuff

[jagged turtle]

if you are blindly clicking through safety prompts you may as well disable them

[hard delta]

ok but why do you think it's bad to add the word "execute" or "including auto-execute" explicitly
like why do you think that's so bad that you argue for it not being said

[jagged turtle]

I didn't say to add the word "including auto-execute", but I don't think it should be part of the button itself

maybe if that was the only thing that is risky, sure

[hard delta]

yes, just the extra line of text below it

[azure lynx]

No. "Enable all features." covers not just executing code but deleting stuff directly, uninstalling stuff, transmitting your registry settings to a computer in china...

it would be a long ass box of text

[hard delta]

i'm not saying "list it all" that's in your head lmao

[azure lynx]

auto update or trojan install? do you want to decide each time there is an update?

[hard delta]

i'm saying add specifically "execute" there because that's where they deviate from usual terminology

[azure lynx]

it would make it worse. Longer text means fewer people read it.

[hard delta]

all the good reading it has done to people

[heavy pier]

which i did ,Everything up-to-date (

I know it's a bad idea\

[hard delta]

like, we -are- having this conversation aren't we

[azure lynx]

once you've chosen to install something, you also choose to use its update method

[hard delta]

after all, omitting those extra 2-3 words for the sake of more people reading it didn't do the job enough to prevent tech bro having to write up a tweet

[jagged turtle]

extra line of text should be a list of detected risky features in the middle of the actual dialog box instead, there are more things that are risky that you can tell vscode to do when you trust a workspace

[hard delta]

agreeable, this would be good design - despite adding a whole new feature

[jagged turtle]

example: you can tell vscode to auto-install extensions using .devcontainer.json#customizations#vscode#extension

while this only applies if you open a devcontainer, vscode extensions can be ran either on the UI side or workspace side

despite the names though you can still execute code if your extension is on the UI side, it's just microsoft trying to be fancy and calling it "UI" instead of "client"

[jagged turtle]

I would argue this feature is necessary to be worth adding it in the first place

[hard delta]

that's cool too
but as far as that one UX guy went with labeling that button 2-3-5 years ago, i think his choice was suboptimal

[jagged turtle]

I mean, it could also be that features were added that were tied to workspace trust

later on

and they just forgot/never bothered to update it

[azure lynx]

you could also just press "don't trust" if you don't 100% trust it.

[hard delta]

ok buy you could also just use a 15 year old arch installer and update from there

that's a dead end for the argument really

[jagged turtle]

also, fun fact: extensions can even detect if you're running in untrusted or trusted mode (there's both a property in vscode.env as well as an enablement thing in pkg.json)

[hard delta]

there's a sane limit to how hard you explain a blanket statement on a button, but it was microsoft's choice to use its terminology one way, and then another. that's the whole argument lmao.

[azure lynx]

your package manager using certificates to manage trust. anyone who can get their packages signed with a trusted certificate can have their stuff installed.

it's not microsoft's terminology, it's the operating system and cryptography people's terminology

[hard delta]

dude why do you pretend to be talking with me if you avoid like, the one small scope / topic i'm talking about

[jagged turtle]

tbf microsoft is more likely to use proper terminology when talking about their developer stuff

[azure lynx]

Please explain to me the problem you have with "Microsoft's terminology" (and which terminology specifically). I thought you were talking about the term "trust".

[hard delta]

give it a few hours of cooldown and read the convo again

it's a double win because it answers your question AND it stops the convo from dragging on

[azure lynx]

you think that adding additional labeling to a button is the solution to a problem which has already been solved with additional labels.

and have mysterious problems with Microsoft's terminology.

[hard delta]

overall, sure. still, this case is eh at best

and it makes sense they would use a single "blanket" allow when they don't even know what's gonna be behind it in the future, wtih extensions and stuff

i think it comes down to how they treated external source flagging and admin perms flagging separately (the latter which was really the only time that execution was a concern in most of their products) it's misleading to anyone with a normal human bean history on windows

which is like, 95% of vscode users

[jagged turtle]

anyways completely unrelated

[hard delta]

[jagged turtle]

why does devving for extension platforms just suck

[hard delta]

as in?

[jagged turtle]

like

making a vscode extension sometimes just doesn't feel right

idk why, but it's usually the little things that piss me off the most

docker desktop extensions as well except that one I have more valid reasons to get pissed off at

[hard delta]

i never tried but i'd totally expect that happening if i did

there's gotta be some weirdness to it on all layers

it's always an afterthought to make it usable

[jagged turtle]

for example OIDC publishing does not exist on vscode marketplace, which would be fine if tokens didn't expire or smth

oh and also malware exists on the vscode marketplace yet there's no form of provenance or something of the sort that you can opt into

unlike npm, which for all its faults at least has provenance built into its cli

don't even get me started on docker desktop extensions

they are a whole different beast

their docs literally only have react + go samples

and also like half the things I needed there were missing

including a guide on how to actually let your extension frontend contact your backend

I had to go ask GPT like 40 times as well after losing my mind in the docs

[hard delta]

if we ever get AGI

there should be a point between its first run and us going extinct

where we make it just retroactively document all software

in detail, and then in an overall way, and then again in a "the author wanted you to" way

[jagged turtle]

oh also unit testing basically doesn't exist for docker desktop extensions

since you need to simulate the docker environment without it, yk, actually having things run through your sockets

unit testing the frontend part I think is easier since you can just use vitest and mock the ddclient object

the backend part sounds like not fun

[jagged turtle]

also we already have agi wym

[olive sable]

so in theory what information is visible by the people that make a malicious vsc extension?

[hard delta]

AGI - A. G. G.

[jagged turtle]

this doesn't involve extensions

it just involves task hooks or whatever the fuck they are called

to answer your question though, take it from me: quite a lot

[olive sable]

is the exstensions stuff not where the "i trust the authors" stuff comes from?

[jagged turtle]

not exactly

although it is something that extensions can use

but there are other things in the workspace that are dangerous

some may be covered by this, some may not

actually I don't even know if copilot chat is covered by this so if they didn't account for untrusted workspaces then someone can prompt the ai to do whatever

[hard delta]

oooh now that i think about it

in terms of which neural pathways light up in your brain when you click that trust button

[olive sable]

so what are you at risk of? just your files getting stolen?

[hard delta]

this current question would make most people go "oh i'm accepting another eula."

[jagged turtle]

arbitrary code execution upon trust

[hard delta]

rather than "oh i'm gonna execute code with administrator perms"

and that just makes most people click

[jagged turtle]

yk I didn't think about it like that

that makes sense

[hard delta]

list one SCARY thing >>> give a BLANKET that you have to research

that's where the UX fucked up

monkey brain will EULA-click it

[jagged turtle]

good thought

[hard delta]

yeah this was what felt off about it

[olive sable]

surely arbitrary code execution isnt too big of a deal in a vm

[hard delta]

don't worry bro i have norton running it protects me from viruses

and uuuh nordvpn uuuh privacy uuh

[olive sable]

i have uh

uh

what do i have?

windows comes with windows defender, but i don't think nixos has anything

i have hopes and prayers

[jagged turtle]

yk I was about to go look at the vscode api reference but then I realised that you can actually just create a terminal and run it with no issues if you really wanted to

[olive sable]

[hard delta]

honestly it's the common tradeoff
like unless you're paranoid enough to spend impractical amounts of time to verify everything, it's always gonna be a reputation - trust - hopeforthebest kinda thing

[olive sable]

ye

[glass flower]

and stay outdated on extensions and such for a bit to make other people test it before you thats why i at most download with a 1 week minimum time

[olive sable]

i dont install too many random things. vscode exstensions and stuff are kinda the only things i install with a low amount of downloads

[jagged turtle]

I mean the problem at the end of the day is that not enough security is being thrown at the marketplace that isn't manual human checks and automated behind-the-scenes checks

as said before if there was some form of an audit trail (such as provenance) that would help people verify it without needing to trust the vscode bot/team's word

[glass flower]

i mean... nothing is ever safe. what if a library that your extension uses gets compromised? and the extension itself is safe. etc. there are 100 different ways for something to go wrong

[azure lynx]

the problem is there always must be a trade off between "perfect security" and "perfect convenience"

[jagged turtle]

yes, but reducing the security issues is the name of the game

also theoretically everything has to come bundled in the vsix file at upload

[azure lynx]

and if security is too hard to work with, then people will turn it off completely.

[glass flower]

not wrong... thats why i switched to nvim. every line of code is right inside of my home folder. nothing runs that i don't know about

[hard delta]

i wonder if they just gave up because the malicious side always came up with something more clever (while getting all those nice green checkmarks)

[olive sable]

all my vsc exstensions have over 20 million downloads it seems, except for nix syntax highlighing at 200K and spir-v assembly syntax highlighting at only 1.8K

[jagged turtle]

wdym nice green checkmarks

[hard delta]

like form a reputation standpoint
they lose less reputation saying "your responsibility" and never failing a promise
than saying it's verified, secure and checked ✅ and then it turns out some malicious code made its way in there

they just gave up and opted for "always check what you're using"
they do some minimal effort sweep and that's it

[jagged turtle]

did they have checkmarks on the marketplace ever

wtf

tbf idr

[silent lark]

;-;

[jagged turtle]

ok well there's checkmarks next to publisher names

if you verify a domain

[azure lynx]

reputation management is hard for little people but easy for large bad people who don't care about the rules

[hard delta]

idk, just saying this would be a factor for them to never even want to make it happen

[jagged turtle]

there's been a feature request about oidc publishing actually

lemme check to make sure

[hard delta]

it's a race they can't win, and the more rare a catastrophy, the bigger the headlines.

oh no i meant like, the whole security on marketplace thing

[jagged turtle]

well if they gave us the ability to verify it ourselves they can at least be somewhat more lazy

idk, them managing two different dev marketplaces where one has more security than the other despite some security measures being the same to implement (probably) feels a little off

[azure lynx]

you can verify it yourself: first look for the "Repository" for the project. go there and read the code. look for issues.

[jagged turtle]

that doesn't easily trace back to the vsix uploaded though

[azure lynx]

then install it from the repo itself.

after reading all the code

[hard delta]

yeah reading the code is generally pointless unless you compile it

[azure lynx]

oh? cool.

[hard delta]

could be anything in those prebuilt binaries

[azure lynx]

so reverse engineer them

[jagged turtle]

...this guy has got to be joking right

[azure lynx]

you can download the binaries and extract the contents.

i used to do it. for 20 years. i retired. google me.

[hard delta]

well i'm already compromised

[jagged turtle]

I'm like 90% sure vscode will just link it back to the marketplace version

[azure lynx]

then don't install it from the market place if you don't trust it.

[hard delta]

like when i was 14 and didn't yet know how to compile my own openbsd kernel on my IME-free 2012 thinkpad, i downloaded mozilla firefox instead of compiling it

[azure lynx]

install it from the source from the github repo

[jagged turtle]

I'm like 90% sure vscode will just link it back to the marketplace version

[azure lynx]

after reading the source and verifying it's trustworthy. or not.
you choose your level of trust and convenience you'll put up with.

[jagged turtle]

https://github.com/microsoft/vsmarketplace/issues/1422 (official marketplace) and https://github.com/eclipse/openvsx/issues/1534 (open marketplace)

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-pats-pet-bunny-pats-gif-19861222

bny

[jagged turtle]

do you even understand what I'm saying? genuine question btw, idk if I'm coming across clear enough

[hard delta]

also generally, being able to meaningfully read / verify the code makes you an edge case already

man i need a coffee i'm skipping words now

[azure lynx]

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-windows-ai-studio.windows-ai-studio <= this has https://github.com/Microsoft/windows-ai-studio.git
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Upstash.context7-mcp <= this has https://github.com/upstash/context7-vscode-extension.git
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=brian-njogu.gitlantis <= this has https://github.com/liltrendi/gitlantis.git

that's 3 for 3 on the first 3 links on the Marketplace website.

[jagged turtle]

so what I'm saying is not coming across to you then

[dry charm]

So fucking dumb

I hate how inferior Kotlin dev outside of IDEA is

[azure lynx]

i guess it isn't. your point seemed to be that it wasn't possible to check if something something trustworthy. you explicitly said
#programming message here that you were 90% certain vscode would just link it back to the marketplace version. Not sure how it could do that if you don't have a network connection when you use it. or if you downloaded vscode from source and excised the code which enforced that and used that version instead. (also please tell everyone you've found it. you'll be famous if it exists and you somehow found it and publicized it. seriously. also seriously don't expect you to find such a thing. but https://github.com/microsoft/vscode exists. knock yourself out with a version that couldn't just link it back to the marketplace version.
i was showing you usually can. it's just a lot of work and most people will just trust that the distribution network is secure and trustworthy.

[jagged turtle]

if you are so concerned as to force vscode to not be allowed to make network requests any time, anywhere, you already are a person who isn't (or is, in a different way of thinking) the target

and yes, I'm aware that microsoft/vscode exists. I've had to look there several times while trying to use the git api

anyways, I have some bigger pains to give a shit about with vscode than this

tbh

[azure lynx]

also you can run tools like "process monitor" which track file, registry, network, and process access and log them for analysis and use those to identify hidden activity. and there are at least hundreds of people trained to reverse engineer both operating systems and ordinary software who would love to be the person who found Microsoft's devious "replace the open source version with our evil version" code. or whatever else "Microsoft is definitely doing it, they have the motive and the opportunity" thought currently is.
any time they change anything about the OS, there are people who work on AV and security software going over the changes with a fine tooth comb to determine what the changes do and why they were made. this helps them understand what to look for when something is trying to attack whatever was fixed.

also It would be really hard to hide functionality like that: you could simply add (e.g.) lots of log messages to the version you download from github and when there were no extra log messages when you used your plugin, you'd know you weren't running the version you installed.

[faint sandal]

what now

[olive sable]

hi konii

goodmorning

and goodnight

[tight tinsel]

oh no

[orchid crest]

[rigid snow]

exchange above

[faint sandal]

[jagged turtle]

why did you name that emote after you

[faint sandal]

chat is cold

I'm dying

[jagged turtle]

:tuckk:

[rigid snow]

i didn’t name it that

not me

[jagged turtle]

wdym

[rigid snow]

well you see discord has a feature called servers where people can add emotes and rename them and whatever

[jagged turtle]

yeah but did you add it as an emote with your name or not

[rigid snow]

it was someone else

[jagged turtle]

ah

[hard delta]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-frieren-fire-flames-hot-gif-10506995011354260015

survive, azaka!

[faint sandal]

just got home

[proud ivy]

I made 3 Gemini CLI extensions (for Cloudflare, Vercel and Lark). https://geminicli.com/extensions/?name=ZhanZiyuanvercel-mcp

[quick condor]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MeFi68a2pP8?si=3V_Bd7MVXVNJ9OwP who did this

[fervent jolt]

what coding agent tool you guys usually use?

just a question, to determine whether i'm in a wrong place or not

[tender river]

myself

[fervent jolt]

gigachad~1

jesus

even linus himself vibecode, but you i'm impressed

[sage crag]

coding agent

[fervent jolt]

[tender river]

leavening agent

[trim valve]

idk I occasionally poke Claude but even then like, I don't use it much

[sage crag]

leafening

[fervent jolt]

guess i'm in a wrong place

[hard delta]

confess your standing

[fervent jolt]

i'm using opencode

currently ralphing right now

[sage crag]

as in, to vomit?

[jagged turtle]

depends on my mood

[hard delta]

[fervent jolt]

i'm already confused, i'm expecting power users but i guess i'm in wrong place vedLOL

[glass flower]

the most "agentic" thing i use is gpt-20b with opencode

but thats a thing i use like if im stuck 6 hours into trying to figure something out

[trim valve]

what

[hard delta]

have expectations
noob mistake

[jagged turtle]

power users of what? code?

[trim valve]

are you correlating power users with vibe coding

[fervent jolt]

[hard delta]

also holy crap that join date

[fervent jolt]

why? you thought i'm new? lol

[hard delta]

yes i thoought you were a baby born in 2027 who figured out time travel by 2045

i was gonna ask you about ram prices

[fervent jolt]

no i was expecting more technical stuff discussion in this channel, that's why i asked that question before to verify, so yea just a question, nothing really.

[glass flower]

there is lots of technical stuff here... vibe coding isn't technical stuff therefore doesn't fit here

[fervent jolt]

wdym ram prices, there's no ram prices, neuro deserve it

Ban

[tender river]

technical

me have technical topic

today me decide to make

https://www.theflavorbender.com/perfect-chocolate-cupcakes-one-bowl/

[jagged turtle]

yeah most of the time vibecoding exactly isn't discussed here

[jagged turtle]

how go?

[tender river]

about to start

[hard delta]

welcome to #baking
we bake llms and cookies

[jagged turtle]

[jagged turtle]

we also bake our speeches sometimes

[hard delta]

bake hot takes

[fervent jolt]

what? im fking confused

i dont see any baking related here?

[jagged turtle]

bake

[hard delta]

baking technique is serious business :nodders:

[tender river]

baking related

vibe code unrelated

obvious

[jagged turtle]

[jagged turtle]

[quick condor]

Claude code. Codex is aweful. Might try devistral

[hard delta]

but to give you a more serious reply, since 90% of the server is afraid of entering this channel, it doubles as a nerd hangout besides channeltopic

[tender river]

me not have technical topic to discuss with vibe coder

[fervent jolt]

bruh seriosly?

[jagged turtle]

serious addition: the 10% that do are either said nerds or people who just want to get out of nn/gn/lc/other channels, get overwhelmed, and then leave and (maybe) never come back again

or people who are just curious

[rough bloom]

impossible to discuss anyway
vibe coder not understand their own code

[fervent jolt]

Try opencode, its much better at TUI, you get this beauty

[jagged turtle]

only thing to discuss is bad vibe coding

[hard delta]

we got the dialy "hey guys how do i start program"
the bi-daily "how do i make neuro"
and the occasional "debug this for me" visitor too

[fervent jolt]

tell that to vedal

wdym clueless, he vibecode using cursor

[jagged turtle]

also some outside/new people attempting to start conversations

[fervent jolt]

heard it myself during cyberpunk

[glass flower]

i think the part is about you thinking he understands all of the code himself.

if it works it works. but truly understanding everything takes a lot lot of effort which you kinda skip with vibe coding. (not always... but from how i see people use it a lot)

[jagged turtle]

the clueless for bottom message is assuming he vibecodes everything

[jagged turtle]

to me I feel like the term vibecoding has kinda been shifted and in a bad way

I feel like now people refer to vibecoding as just using ai in coding

[glass flower]

well the term vibecoding is meant to be bad it means you just trust whatever was written... without checking it

[south cedar]

Jarvis: make me a new Neuro Sama and make me rich asap

[jagged turtle]

yeah but not all uses of ai in coding is "bad" per se

[glass flower]

thats why vibecoding is bad.

[rough bloom]

it has
there's a whole spectrum from "using no LLM at all" to "never read anything the LLM has written"
vibe coding originally meant the latter, but the term has diluted over time

[south cedar]

Jarvis, I can't run your code, download more ram

[noble zodiac]

well, its clear that the vast majority of people just yolo everything

[jagged turtle]

yeah that's what I mean

[fervent jolt]

yea there should be a different term aside from vibe coding, because linus torvald himself is using cursor to code during his latest repo, for me vibe coding is those who yolo everythign and doesn't read the changes or understanding the code.

[tender river]

linus not programmer

linus maintainer

[fervent jolt]

bruh he literally created linux

[jagged turtle]

maintainer != programmer

they closely overlap though

[tender river]

this chatter so tiring to talk to

linus does not write code for linux

[glass flower]

well he also said he isn't coding anymore and hasn't for a long time

[tender river]

linus reviews others' code and makes sure the release process is smooth

[south cedar]

I mean he did at the start, but yeah now he do code review and accept patches, which require good coding abilities

You can't just LGTM everything

[jagged turtle]

even then he really only reviews the final copy of branches before they get merged into his copy and released as a new version of the linux kernel

[tender river]

theres hundreds of people involved in the process

[south cedar]

But now he is also more of a public figure than a code guy so it make sense, some would say it's the natural path from coding to management

[jagged turtle]

"neuro pls review code"
"that drive wipe command lgtm"

[fervent jolt]

dont tell me linus didn't create this repo himself? https://github.com/torvalds/AudioNoise

[south cedar]

Most big projects end up being Pull requests based anyway

At some point the code base is just too big to just code and let go and you have to have a careful review process with reviewers

[tender river]

you're impossible to talk to sorry

[fervent jolt]

why cant people just accept agentic coding man? that's like the future already, if you deny that, then you're living in the past.

[glass flower]

also that repo is obviously just a dumb little project he wants to do for his hobby. using AI to write silly projects or smaller utility things

is fine

but usage in bigger or longer running projects breaks down real quick with current ai's

[glass flower]

i haven't seen it be useful anywhere yet. it only makes things harder to maintain or worse so far...

[fervent jolt]

true, probably just trying whether agentic coding is good or not

[glass flower]

but again. its a spectrum. you can use a little bit of it. to just fix some small bug. or completely rely on it for everthing. the latter of which is called vibecoding

[fervent jolt]

that's why most twitter was surprised linus is vibe coding

[trim valve]

I don't want to forget how to think

[rough bloom]

alternatively be like SQLite and just don't accept (most) outside contributions

[noble zodiac]

Linus Torvalds who has 35 years of experience with the linux codebase, rangled with thousands of developers code and kept a tight ship in the kernel deems himself capable of using an AI. Ergo, it is good and for everyone

flawless

[trim valve]

I have never met a chatbot that thinks or problem solves in a way I agree with

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

you should have told me there was an idiot here

i could have laughed at them

[glass flower]

true. i use ai coding as a way of rubber duck programming. just that i disagree with everthing it says but atleast it helps me brainstorm correct ideas

[sage crag]

who keep stealing your letter

[tender river]

run out soon

[sage crag]

return

[south cedar]

ChatGPT is quite good at latex , which help when I want to do a dumb little figure in Tikz and not take 3 hours

[trim valve]

yeee unfortunately the ones I've tried are actively unhelpful om

[tender river]

i use ai for one-off tasks sometimes, but code wise everything i've seen ai produce was horrible

[glass flower]

You are Absolutely right! — here is a complete solution providing another unhelpful solution

[jagged turtle]

for me personally I've seen it solve problems in a way I could probably(?) agree with if it would explain it a bit more

[jagged turtle]

Good catch -- here's a workaround to the new problem that just brings us back to the old problem

-# pretend that was an emdash ok

[rigid snow]

you’re right he doesn’t code nowadays but also saying linus isn’t a programmer is just silly
but that’s not important, what’s important is where are the letters from your name going

[tender river]

someone steal

[rigid snow]

we need to catch the letter thief

[jagged turtle]

who steal letters in name

[true hemlock]

[tender river]

you

return

letters

e

c

a

a

[stray dragon]

t

[jagged turtle]

I can let you borrow the a in my name

[true hemlock]

give em the t

[rigid snow]

ktrin

[stray dragon]

i give you a spare t

use it well.

[jagged turtle]

me now ktrint

[true hemlock]

[tender river]

need to get back

e c a

from someone

[true hemlock]

i'll uh

throw a t on ylhfa

[jagged turtle]

donate an a

[true hemlock]

nuh uh

[tender river]

[true hemlock]

[rigid snow]

[silent flare]

hey guys, how are you

[true hemlock]

im feeling like stealing a y

[silent flare]

im new to this fandom

[rigid snow]

great pfp

fent addict

[true hemlock]

imma steal your y

[rigid snow]

[hard delta]

it's like an unintentional two sided red herring (?)
one side of the red herring is people who wouldn't be able to complete a task in reasonable time vibecode to complete a task, giving up understanding, control, and the learning process. that side produces some yucky results and some yucky cluelessness, which is frowned upon by others who have to maintain it, cooperate with it, deal with it running, or have to read delusional forum posts.

clearly that's something nobody advocates for, but it feels like it is advocated for whenever any tool is advocated for, especially if with an attitude. we also can't deny that it's useful on the short term, when you just need thing now to not die of starvation, or not lose job 3 hours from now on, etc.

that brings us to the other side of the red herring, where people who already can do all that by hand, efficiently, quick enough, in a maintainable and future-proof way don't see a reason to add 3 extra steps into their working workflow when specifically in their many usescases it's always for 0 benefit.

clearny nobody advocates for the mindless, religious avoidance of tools that work, are reliable, and needed, but that's what it comes off when it's just "don't need it for these things and at this level of expertise".

[true hemlock]

[hard delta]

but boy does it blow up twitter threads and such 🔴 🐟 🐟

[silent flare]

i recently found out about vedal and my brain was blown, im really impressed with his skills

[rigid snow]

for me i don’t find vibecoding saving me time it just saves my mental capacity

takes same time usually

bad prompter

[true hemlock]

it gives me aneurysm

[silent flare]

vibecoding is shit, if u really want to do something just using ai thats not enough

[true hemlock]

its so ass

[hard delta]

ok but have you compared it with like (all at once)

• a language you don't know
• a framework you don't know
• a problem domain you don't know
• while you're on 2 hours of sleep

[true hemlock]

my whole codebase was fucked

[rigid snow]

you’re not supposed to read the code

[true hemlock]

i tried vibe coding when coding a Minecraft mod and crashed out for 8 hours straight over shit not even working and ended up learning java in few hours instead and did it all myself

[rigid snow]

as someone with some mc modding experience that’s probably the worst domain you can choose to apply vibecoding to

[floral wraith]

i mean idk the topic but ai is really good for coding but real ppl should still look over the code and change things

[silent flare]

yeah, thats what im saying

[true hemlock]

i might have anger issues

everytime i tried vibe coding i ended up losing my shit instead of getting things done

[elfin lotus]

the only time I use vibecoding is when I need a one-of script that should do one specific thing and I don't need or want to maintain it. for everything else it's better to learn the language/framework yourself so you can actually maintain the codebase. I don't trust current AI to be able to maintain large code bases (yet)

[floral wraith]

i mean in my company we do it like that ( we a not all programmers only 2-4 )

[dry charm]

Honestly, it does not even need to be Minecraft specific. Game modding in general is not vibe codeable at all

[hard delta]

ok but do you think anyone ever advocated, on any side of the conversation, for something that doesn't even work?
that's the red herring nature of the conversation
-obviously- everyone is arguing for something that works, but both sides see in the other side's argument the cases where it didn't work at all

[glass flower]

being angry at vibe coding is a reasonable crashout

[true hemlock]

this

[heavy pine]

https://fixvx.com/Hesamation/status/2009707596954186168?s=20

ℏεsam (@Hesamation)

this guy just fixed the biggest challenge with using Claude Code 🤯

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jan 9, 2026, 7:23 PM

[true hemlock]

except i think there's not even a "yet"

[heavy pine]

this is for Some of you here i bet

[rigid snow]

there are so much little things that change between versions, so much attention to pay to the client/server distinction and code separation, etc

[silent flare]

can any of you recommend the best way to learn, for example Python, I kind of understand the syntax, but its difficult to write a real project from scratch

[rigid snow]

100 different deobf mappings, 100 different mod loaders including server ones

never vibecode minecraft mods

maybe kubejs is fine

[elfin lotus]

Start small. Think of a problem you have and see if you can solve it with python. You can do some tutorial in the web, maybe try some of "programming puzzels" to get used to programming, but at some point you just need a small project to dedicate your time to

[glass flower]

making a project from scratch is always difficult. best way is to just do something you need or could help you in python. like transforming a text file into something else.
another way i personally like doing is replicating old classic games in new languages and frameworks. you could use pygame to remake tetris or pong. that will give you a good baseline on how to do things

[hard delta]

• look at others making projects
• start your own and ask around when hitting walls shamelessly for tips or help (and don't be discouraged when ignored or given little help / keep asking)
• gradually increase scope, you simply won't be solving big problems early on (and won't even be able to tell which problems are small or big)

[true hemlock]

make ascii TUI

its fun

trust

i really wanted to make more

if only i had the time

[silent flare]

thank u all, gonna try it

[jagged turtle]

my personal advice is start by replicating something small - you'll learn your way around the language, its ecosystem, and a good idea of how to do things in that language
then start gradually increasing the scope of what you do, but don't make big jumps as it will demotivate you. if in doubt, go down a level, but also challenge yourself a bit

[true hemlock]

bred can i steal a letter

[trim valve]

clearly you need to join my R$1000 vibecoding course

[elfin lotus]

https://github.com/The-Cool-Coders/Project-Ideas-And-Resources?tab=readme-ov-file#tier-1-beginner-projects

if you need ideas

[trim valve]

hmm

which

[true hemlock]

e

[trim valve]

sure

[fleet pond]

Ok

[rigid snow]

🐦 brd

[true hemlock]

someone give bro an i

[silent flare]

yeah, i have some repositories with ideas for projects, really helpful thing

[jagged turtle]

next #programming obsession: stealing each other's letters

[rough bloom]

just gotta work your way through progressively more complex problems I think
make sure you know the basics of the language first (how to define functions, variables, classes etc.)
can move onto "real" projects then

there's also courses like the one provided by exercism if you prefer learning like that https://exercism.org/tracks/python/concepts
(though you definitely still want to move onto an actual project sooner or later)

[jagged turtle]

@trim valve you want an i?

also zityu can I take your y

[trim valve]

sure

[jagged turtle]

here you go: i

[rigid snow]

owobird

[trim valve]

‼️

[jagged turtle]

can i borrow a y anywhere

[true hemlock]

take mine

but give me t

[jagged turtle]

fine

[jagged turtle]

t

[true hemlock]

@rigid snow i'll take your d and throw you a t

[stray dragon]

that t is going places

[jagged turtle]

[jagged turtle]

I still have your t I think

the t I gave was my own one

[fleet jungle]

Make tools for yourself that you built yourself, then consult docs VERY frequently for anything that doesn't make sense. Nowadays, there's AI so if anything confuses you, LLMs can explain. Honestly, using LLMs for basics is a godsend.

[floral wraith]

i mean we cant take your t you only have 1

[true hemlock]

his pfp:

[stray dragon]

no, you see

i'm an endless supply

[true hemlock]

[jagged turtle]

gave me their "spare" one

[stray dragon]

all the t's have to come from somewhere

[floral wraith]

ohhh he is the holy t

[jagged turtle]

speaking of

@floral wraith I'm yoinking an a

[fleet jungle]

It helps to have a pressing need that python (or any programming language) can solve for you.

[floral wraith]

i thought it is like with money someone makes it and we all play like its worth something

[jagged turtle]

i took a

oh ok

there we go

[floral wraith]

myy aaa

[jagged turtle]

dw some of us have had our letters taken

what's the uh

current letter status of everyone

also we need a tag to identify who is participating in letter swap

[true hemlock]

we need letter generator

[floral wraith]

yea i mean at least you took it from the back

[hard delta]

also it's nice to be a little bit flexible with scoping, here's an example:

suppose i never did anything with images. would be nice to know images better.
i have a big neuro folder and there's some twitter / art channel duplicates of fanart i saved. it would be nice to remove the duplicates

• do i even know what i want? have i used a program before that removes duplicates? maybe find one and see what it can do (a little domain knowledge). but it might be unnecessary

ok how do i start?

• well i'm definitely gonna need to open the images somehow, before i compare them - this is a nice subtask i can learn from even if i can't do anything else
• how will i choose which one to keep? manually? or let the algo choose which to keep? do i want controls? - once again a nice subtask that i could do even without touching images
• i have to compare the images somehow... ok time to learn about images: they have metadata, and they have image data inside... do i just compare metadata? or do i also compare image contents? both? - here you can just start with metadata, like file size, resolution, etc - helps you filter some exact duplicates already
• if you compare image data, maybe it's easier to do it with just one format at first
• or you could just find a way to convert all image formats into a common format, and then compare - this itself is a subtask that can be completed before you ever compare

and suppose at this point you realize you can't for the love of god compare image data. but also that you learned like 23 other things along the way. flexible scope! learning!

[jagged turtle]

idk if having {letterswap} in the actual nick makes sense

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1452069761512112159/copy_CFBD3ED9-4A88-4341-B0AF-2450399B6EE7.gif

[jagged turtle]

I'mma put it in my pronouns field or smth

[true hemlock]

im stealing your middle N

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[floral wraith]

we need a bot that changes our profile and a role that makes letters rare like you only got the letters you have in your real name but you can trade them

[jagged turtle]

can I take an r

[sage crag]

no

those are mine

[jagged turtle]

can I take an o

please i want the o

[sage crag]

its also mine

[jagged turtle]

damn

[true hemlock]

he has the o
get him

[hard delta]

i convert you to new format
wrrrrn'tn't't

[sage crag]

[fleet jungle]

I cannot emphasize enough that there's no shame in visiting documentation websites/articles/what-have-yous, even revisiting one you already saw. Proper programming procedure is to ensure what you make actually works with what is available, and documentation goes a long way in that.

[fleet jungle]

The what

[hard delta]

they are gonna steal the o from your username

run!

[fleet jungle]

Oh dear

[sage crag]

wrr

[fleet jungle]

Tragedy 😞

[floral wraith]

oh no

[silent flare]

so many letters

can i get e

[hard delta]

e

[floral wraith]

he has no e but i trade my K u m

[fleet jungle]

e is stolen by math, sorry

What does the number even mean

[floral wraith]

what number

[silent flare]

bet

[fleet jungle]

e

[floral wraith]

but e is no number you confuse me

[fleet jungle]

I mean the 2.somethingsomethingsomething

Is there a mathbot in here

/math e *1

[hard delta]

well neuro can count

[stiff mica]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 2 cookies! | I've received 270437 cookies total!

[hard delta]

also yeah this sort of pisses me off the most about e

you go through like high school and not once does any teacher bother to explain what the fuck it is actual idea

especially when thing like "approximating it even more precisely" comes up

[floral wraith]

oh you mean when a number has more digits that e ?

[hard delta]

approximating what

[fleet jungle]

I must interject - I didn't learn about e from high school

[hard delta]

[fleet jungle]

No I just don't know where the number as a concept came from

[silent flare]

what is even e, does it actually exist

[fleet jungle]

Something about natural logs?

[floral wraith]

idk ask ai

[fleet jungle]

ok will do

[hard delta]

like istg if i had this from age 12 we'd be on the moon

[floral wraith]

and tell us where it comes from i wanna know

[floral wraith]

i mean ik what the euler number is but i did not know its e

[trim valve]

this whole letter stealing game sounds like it would be a neat server event

like the harpoon one

[floral wraith]

or like a bot that makes letters rtradeable and you got your starting letters from your acc name

[fleet jungle]

This reminds me of how there's no 100% way to determine the square root of a number without using something more complicated than simply opposing the "function" given a number, like multiplying/dividing

Or using a calculator

[fleet jungle]

oh

[trim valve]

idk trading sounds like it'd be a useful addition

but stealing would be funny with like a random chance

[true hemlock]

this

[floral wraith]

the more letters you have the harder it is to steal them

[trim valve]

oooh

you'd also probably need some interesting way to run that command

id have to give the UI some thoughts

[stray dragon]

wait

hepy

hey

no

wtf

[floral wraith]

you want to make that frfr

[south cedar]

I mean there is no algorithm to check if two real numbers are equal if you take any two real numbers

[trim valve]

I do now 😭

[floral wraith]

i mean why should you do it alone i think we have a few ppl that would love to help here

[trim valve]

shrug

I have other stuff irl first so I'd need a bit to get ready

and my usual experience working with people here is endless procrastination 😭

[fleet jungle]

Good point

[floral wraith]

oh that is not that good and we would need more planning like we cant just do something and say yea thats it yk i mean its not that ez to do all the things that we would need

[opaque sigil]

good thing real numbers are a lie made up by big mathematics

[dense vine]

1

[fleet jungle]

Oh wait was the O thing about the blue ring around my image?

[stark needle]

helo everyone just wanted to say goodbye, i realized I'll effectively never achieve the dream of becoming a DeepMind research scientist if i don't lock in completely and checking discord has been a major distraction so yea I'll be going down the math marianna trench so yeah if you wanna stay connected with me feel free to friend request me otherwise goodbye forever

[faint sandal]

[hard delta]

but they are "real" it's in the name bro

[hard delta]

no bwaadow for a while
bwaadow shows up
it's a graduation message

[true hemlock]

[slender timber]

My hard drive killed itself

3 years of work gone

💔

[nocturne olive]

That's what this is for

[floral wraith]

whyyy no raid brooo when there is something important use a raid

[nocturne olive]

Not everyone can afford or has space for twice the drives

[slender timber]

I'm hoping i can save it

[floral wraith]

space ok afford its like 60 euro for what 4tb

[slender timber]

Or just get some of my data out

[nocturne olive]

Well that's my entire monthly earnings so like

[slender timber]

But it is so bricked it's looking grim

[floral wraith]

i mean under 18 its fine but like when there is something so important you need a way to back it up so yea i would pay 60 when i have something like 3jears of my life on the drives

[floral wraith]

way so it works how did you brick it

[nocturne olive]

Also at this point I have a feeling I need to add like a 16TB drive to this thing

[slender timber]

Idk actually

[floral wraith]

what thing

[nocturne olive]

These drives are not doing great

[slender timber]

I wasn't really doing anything when this drive just failed

[floral wraith]

can you try to see it with linux partitioning tools

[floral wraith]

ssd or hdd

[slender timber]

I can't even boot in with it connected

Hdd

I thought my pc was dying for a second

[nocturne olive]

Oh yeah I've had an HDD be so broken that it doesn't boot with it attached

[slender timber]

Oh yeah same thing then

[nocturne olive]

It was just a HDD from an old PC so it's not like it was of any interest

[slender timber]

Anything that requirws a system boot just stops working with it attached

Can't even get into my own bios

[nocturne olive]

That means it's not POSTing

[floral wraith]

that is very wierd

[nocturne olive]

Yeah that drive is omega cooked

[floral wraith]

i mean you would still get in bios

[nocturne olive]

If no POST no BIOS

[slender timber]

I tried getting in bios first then plug it in

The pc just tweaked the hell up

[floral wraith]

i can get in bios without an hdd

[slender timber]

So it is a paperweight now

[nocturne olive]

You shouldn't plug in devices that aren't hot-swappable while the device is running

That will just damage things more

[slender timber]

Was trying to see if i can fix it

I can't

[nocturne olive]

Internal drives are initialized during POST, so if you attach it after it'll be left uninitialized

[slender timber]

Is there any chance i could fix this somewhere

[floral wraith]

that is wrong bro

[nocturne olive]

If it's an HDD there are people who can recover the data, but it's expensive
Assuming it's just a dead controller or motor or something and not a head crash

If the platters are intact your data is still in there and recoverable by a specialist

[nocturne olive]

And in what way is it wrong?

[slender timber]

Well i guess no hope getting this thing working again?

[nocturne olive]

If it has a dead motor or controller it may be possible, but I wouldn't recommend it
DIY you aren't getting much though, you don't have a cleanroom and special equipment

[slender timber]

Sounds too much of a hassle

I'll just get a new one

And get the data recovered

[nocturne olive]

Yeah it's probably a better idea to just replace it

[slender timber]

Can they recover everything though

I'm sure some will be lost

[floral wraith]

that the drive is omega coocked is wrong in that that the data is probebly extraktable

[nocturne olive]

Well you replied to the wrong message then

[floral wraith]

and you can still initialize them after post

naa i wanna say more than one thing

[nocturne olive]

If there's no headcrash a specialist should be able to recover everything

[slender timber]

Oh well that's good

[floral wraith]

even with a headcrash it is possible with luck

[slender timber]

Hopefully

Even getting like 90% is good enough for me

Compared to losing everything

[floral wraith]

and now you a silend why that

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[floral wraith]

so say why a you saing things that a not right i mean it is possible but we dont know to 100% there a more reasons why the hdd blocks the bios

[nocturne olive]

That sentence makes no sense

[floral wraith]

ik wait i tell you when my round is over

[hard delta]

bro casually chatting in the middle of a ranked match as an ADC dayum

you gotta give it to people these days they multitask big time

[hard delta]

that depends on the nature of the fault
also be prepared that they're usually visited by people who really need their data - think a photographer, digital artist, a researcher, some corporate guy with corporate data that wasn't backed up

the cost of extracting the data might be 20 bucks but if all such guys ask for 200 bucks, people in need will start paying 200 bucks

[floral wraith]

won :3

[slender timber]

Yeah i think 3 years of work costs more than 200

[hard delta]

yeah obv, that's why they can overprice the service

[slender timber]

Oh well

As long as i got my data back

And it is a good paperweight

[floral wraith]

the assumption that a hard drive is immediately 'completely cooked' is an oversimplification. The reality of data recovery is far more nuanced. While a faulty controller board (PCB) certainly presents a serious challenge, it does not typically result in the total loss of data. Since the user information remains intact on the platters, recovery is usually achievable by replacing the PCB and migrating the critical firmware data. Similarly, even a head crash is not automatically a terminal event. Provided the platter surfaces have not sustained widespread, deep physical scoring, professional data recovery specialists are often able to read the intact areas, thereby successfully salvaging a significant portion of the data. (that is made with ai so you understand it my englisch writing is very bad but yea should cover what you said i just wanna say that you should not say the hdd is omega cooked when it is not )

[nocturne olive]

I never specifically implied the drive was cooked in an "all data is lost" way, rather "it's broken and unusable" way

[floral wraith]

and other question why is your monthly money only 60 $

[nocturne olive]

Because I'm a student and don't have a job?

[floral wraith]

i mean when you say its omega coocked ppl with less knowledge think you cant get the data back i mean i would think that but iknow that its not like that

[floral wraith]

okay

[maiden geyser]

https://tenor.com/i43nHiXZLXj.gif

[floral wraith]

._.

[rigid snow]

[quick condor]

Tomorrow should be interesting, have a video call with an Ai compute DC

[floral wraith]

what is the topic

[quick condor]

Well a couple days ago it started as a rather general job offer but it shifted into wanting to talk first because not only was I interested, I had previously worked with one of the employees at the site in question and my experience was quite a bit deeper than my LinkedIn implied.

They were looking for someone who had 2+ years DC ops experience and while technically I fit that description, "technically" means 9 years experience in DC operations including working directly with nvidia, working in one of the major US network hubs for a tier 1 isp, working for/with 7 of the top 10 US collocation providers (currently a customer of 3 of them as well), ai/ml as a hobby, and the fact that I'm still good friends with one of the people I'd be working with.

[hard delta]

oh yeah dc

things that i've had people call dc:
discord
dc++, a file sharing app of yore
something about electricity

this paragraph looks hilarious in my headspace

oooh data center!

[quick condor]

I mean I do have the fun of working with a large -48v DC power plant... Was something like over 1500amps on the low end

[sage crag]

mousse moose

made of

moose mousse

[rigid snow]

moose mousse

[sage crag]

[hard delta]

rat

[hard raptor]

Very much W.I.P but i am already happy with where it's going. (headphone warning due to not having spend time mastering yet)

[rigid snow]

no headphone warning you should slam you rmaster

positive lufs

if you're not redlining you ain't headlining

[hard raptor]

As someone who worked in AV technics at events... i absolutely hate the producers ewho think like that

[rigid snow]

it's a joke

[hard raptor]

because i had to actually fix that

[rigid snow]

not producers fault or area or anything btw

dj fault

turn your shit down

[quick condor]

Could be worse, last year I was shooting live glass blowing demonstrations that were unmiced and since I don't shoot much video, all I had was a Rhode video micro.

On the bright side premiere pro does a pretty good job of noise isolation (even with 2 large propane glass kilns and a torch)

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-gif-6667312518016858954

goodmorning

[floral wraith]

i mean i could go to sleep now but good morning

[trim valve]

the name stealing implementation grows

[olive sable]

[floral wraith]

how way yooo

[true hemlock]

i'll take your S

[olive sable]

what?

[floral wraith]

i want to help u

[olive sable]

someone fill me in on whatever the fuck is happening rn

[floral wraith]

we steal letters from names

[olive sable]

why?

[rigid snow]

i got off easy

[trim valve]

I'm like most of the way there anyways so like

[rigid snow]

look at bird

[trim valve]

I just need to make a ui for picking stuff and then its kinda done?

[true hemlock]

i'll take your d and throw t at you

[rigid snow]

sure

[olive sable]

my name letters arent free

[floral wraith]

yippyyyy

[floral wraith]

what do you want I can give K, u, m

[rigid snow]

mine aren't either, the y was stolen and the d was just exchanged in a fair consensual trade

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

sadv

[true hemlock]

[amber fractal]

[floral wraith]

._. ooohhh

[amber fractal]

do not give this person a C

[true hemlock]

[true hemlock]

i'll give you an n

[olive sable]

mr. 🦆 heNS banananade 🔺

ill give you

any letter you want

for the triangle

[true hemlock]

[floral wraith]

but we want more ans

[amber fractal]

am 🔺 🔺

[olive sable]

let me cook

[true hemlock]

hmmmm

[amber fractal]

You want anything in return for that or just free n?

[true hemlock]

just take the n

[amber fractal]

Alrighty

n taken

[true hemlock]

[olive sable]

i want a t

[true hemlock]

Samt

[olive sable]

it would be funny to trade it with letter_t

[amber fractal]

the only t that matters

[rigid snow]

ok

[amber fractal]

he'll show eventually with all of these pings

[true hemlock]

@dark wing @sick shore these fucker