yeah. it's for viewing 3d like from one direction (much easier)
#programming
obsidian mantle
Needs glasses?
olive sable
that basically just a more advanced application of the nintendo 3DS screen 
azure lynx
no, but it's a limited view direction
obsidian mantle
But its a screen anyway
Cant expect it to work behind the screen
Still sounds extremely cool
azure lynx
imo the best way to do wide angle 3d is a binocular screen over 3 or more walls.
then track the user
olive sable
i feel like for these smaller applications like a home assistant ai avatar or something, the sony 360 thing is a good.
idk why its supposedly bad since it doesn't scale well 
azure lynx
also not existing as a product adds a few million points to the negatives for it.
obsidian mantle
They can never release it?
olive sable
they can, they jsut havent due to production costs
azure lynx
if it releases i could form an opinion.
olive sable
HOE that size is like 10K or so
olive sable
from me there will ye
azure lynx
Wont there be demand regardless
no. you're weird. 😛
olive sable
there will be deman, no question about that
azure lynx
but seriously, there would only be demand if the price was reasonable. and if it was reasonable, they would be selling it.
olive sable
kinda, the tech exists but not viable for large scale production i guess
obsidian mantle
olive sable
but seriously, there would only be demand if the price was reasonable. and if it...
10K is too steep for me, but at 5K i would buy it
obsidian mantle
Well.. tvs used to be super expensive too didnt they
olive sable
ye
azure lynx
flying cars used to be expensive too... oh wait... they still are.
olive sable
you're comapring display tech to flying cars
obsidian mantle
And when was the first flying car released
olive sable
brother
obsidian mantle
Ok but infectively?
olive sable
you're actually ragebaiting
obsidian mantle
I think flying cars are not from 90s
I saw some video recently (by recently i mean couple of years?)
azure lynx
Ok but infectively?
people have made "proof of concepts" and there have even been companies to make and sell them. you can't just go out and buy one.
olive sable
the difference between this and flying cars is that this is physically possible and has irl demos that work
it actually already exists
obsidian mantle
If a year ago - well, give it time
amber fractal
https://boltflight.com/what-are-evtols-the-future-of-air-mobility/
Closest we have to the flying cars
azure lynx
the difference between this and flying cars is that this is physically possible ...
flying cars are physically possible and have been made. they are just not commercially viable for reasons including cost to make them safe enough to use and get insurance for.
azure lynx
drones that carry people might one day exist.
olive sable
If its old - well, ai is old too.
Look at her go now
the original concept is from 2018, they have released a paper in 2019, 2019, and 2022, and they have showed it on their social media via youtube videos as alte as 2024. meaning they are actively working on the project
azure lynx
they probably won't be commerically viable due to other reasons like safety concerns.
olive sable
the original concept is from 2018, they have released a paper in 2019, 2019, and...
i mixed up the years
obsidian mantle
You sound like that guy who said "tv sucks it will never be viable"
olive sable
ye
obsidian mantle
"people will never prefer tv to going outside" and shit
Just give it time wait for those chinese scientists to invent some crazy vibranium metal and boom
The car is flying
Ai controlled btw
azure lynx
there are real life demos of flying cars working for news people. they are technically possible. they're just not viable products because they cost so much and require so much training to safely use and are often only barely safe enough to use.
obsidian mantle
Hey neuro fly me to paris
obsidian mantle
there are real life demos of flying cars working for news people. they are techn...
Not viable now
How much did it cost to make a 5060 in 70s
azure lynx
would you let neuro drive you to mcdonalds?
I own a tesla. I don't let it drive me anywhere.
olive sable
the video from 2020 shows a different demo model than the one from 2024. so they have been making different proof of concepts. to me it looks liek they're actualy investing a decent amount into the tech
obsidian mantle
would you let neuro drive you to mcdonalds?
I own a tesla. I don't let it drive ...
Its still super new
olive sable
would you let neuro drive you to mcdonalds?
I own a tesla. I don't let it drive ...
i don't think you're the target audience of elon then 
amber fractal
Let me help you with a one month old video
obsidian mantle
Im surprised they let them drive so early
amber fractal
obsidian mantle
In 20 years you will fly to macdonalds with neuro piloting your tesla
azure lynx
you didn't watch the outer wilds streams. are you sure you want Neuro driving?
obsidian mantle
I did watch it all and you are ragebaiting 
amber fractal
She'll get better over time surely 
azure lynx
there's ability issues and there's personality issues. you can solve one.
olive sable
you didn't watch the outer wilds streams. are you _sure_ you want _Neuro_ drivin...
you gotta admit, it would be funny
neuro isnt designed for safety tho, its not comparible to a model designed for real life
obsidian mantle
I can even see them banning humans from driving because its less safe
obsidian mantle
There are accidents happening right now all over the globe. Guess who's driving
Not ai
olive sable
the video from 2020 shows a different demo model than the one from 2024. so they...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU6xYu42hUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f4WSrds7aE
you can see they used different prototypes for these videos
this is real tech that has been used in car HUDs since 1988 and is now gonna make its way inside of homes
its cool tech, i dont see a reason to hate on it
azure lynx
specialist AI like the Tesla firmware?
i've had my car not see people cross the road in front of me and beep at me to go when the light changed. it also frequently can't see people in certain areas near my apartment.
amber fractal
espically over here
though I'm sure we'll be the last place to remove the abillity to do so
obsidian mantle
Illegal jailbroken teslas with manual mode
olive sable
specialist AI like the Tesla firmware?
i've had my car not see people cross the...
i blame elon for moving away from lidar tho. newer teslas are all camera based and its bad
azure lynx
not even "newer": mine is from 2022 and is all camera.
olive sable
2022 is newer to me
amber fractal
It is a solid gamble, but the software is just not there yet in the AI space for something so high risk
olive sable
oh, it wasnt lidar, it was ultrasonic sensors they removed
obsidian mantle
What do you guys think of agi
Will it take over the world
olive sable
nah
obsidian mantle
Why not
olive sable
it might spy on people a lot, but as long as not every human is a complete moron it shouldnt have any real power over us
azure lynx
i've had a few "the left driver pillar camera is currently blinded or obscured" messages driving when the sun is at a certain angle. that's the side i like being able to triple check my blind spot with the screen ;/ not much help if it's as blind as me.
even my previous car had ultrasonics for blind spot detection.
amber fractal
agi will be made in some person's basement after big tech realizes too late that they can't use it as slave labor
hearty notch
its me im agi
obsidian mantle
it might spy on people a lot, but as long as not every human is a complete moron...
But what if its smarter than any human
olive sable
then unplug it
obsidian mantle
X500 times
amber fractal
We'll always win in the domain of force
obsidian mantle
We arent that smart, memory is bad and processor is weak
azure lynx
if it's 500x smarter than any human then we have already lost if it wants to beat us.
hearty notch
then unplug it
lmao reminds me of those clips with evil trying to threaten vedal
olive sable
as long as we dont give it access to missiles it should all be fine. if worst comes to worst we nuke the servers
obsidian mantle
Does it need nukes
olive sable
probably not
azure lynx
we just gotta make sure than any AGI anyone makes doesn't want to destroy us.
hearty notch
people have the mental model of AGI all wrong. its not whether a model can autonomously prove superiority in all respects to humans. its the first human who figures out how to wield AI well enough to be clearly force multiplied to a point where it wouldnt be possible without ai.
amber fractal
worst case a year timer is placed on the servers and someone has to manually refresh them or else power goes out 
olive sable
Does it need nukes
but you know how google silently dropped it wouldnt use ai in military tech.
thats my main concern
obsidian mantle
I think its not the google's decision
I mean nobody will ask google
If they will want it
olive sable
i odnt really care whom's decision it is, don't give the ai access to weaponry it can use to enforce its own agenda
azure lynx
worst case a year timer is placed on the servers and someone has to manually ref...
as someone who was paid to hack stuff as part of a previous life, my first goal would be to hack another server without a timer and move myself to that one.
obsidian mantle
What is going to stop it from gaining such access
olive sable
im pretty sure most of these types of things need physicall keys to be turned or whatever
azure lynx
currently what's stopping AI from doing this is they're not trained specifically how to hack.
hearty notch
well there are very few autonomous harnesses in the first place
but the DPRK has upped their hacking game due to access to ai, it seems
obsidian mantle
Watch the guardman plug agi into internet because he doesnt want his wife to know hes cheating
Its going to hack our brains
olive sable
afaik those systems are mostly hardware based to protect against software attacks
so hopefully no agi missiles
azure lynx
AI will definitely increase your ability to use existing hacking tools but something 500x smarter than any person? that would be able to identify and exploit any type of error.
hearty notch
but the DPRK has upped their hacking game due to access to ai, it seems
https://www.coindesk.com/business/2025/12/18/north-korean-hackers-stole-a-record-usd2b-of-crypto-in-2025-chainalysis-says source for this claim
obsidian mantle
AI will definitely increase your ability to use existing hacking tools but somet...
Exactly
olive sable
olive sable
i wonder how you steal crypto?
i thought the point was that you have proof of work or soem shit
hearty notch
but no its not jsut that because the article talks about qualitative sophistication
social attacks and attacks on the infra of the companies managing the crypto itself
its like not the ledger thats vulnerable its the software of the company responsible for a lot of it or something (im making this up)
sorry i have a bad habit of just making things up that sound plausible to me
obsidian mantle
azure lynx
i wonder how you steal crypto?
i thought the point was that you have proof of wo...
you hack the person's computer and steal their wallet and either steal their key when they go to use it or brute force the key or exploit some weakness in the wallet software to recover the key.
once you have the wallet and the password you own the contents of the crypto wallet
hearty notch
this was the 1.4B one
linking without having read
To perform this attack, the attackers targeted Safe{Wallet}, a widely used multi-signature wallet solution that required multiple approvals (in Bybit’s case, at least three signers) before executing a transaction. These wallets are designed to improve security by requiring additional human oversight in the signing process. However, instead of directly attacking the multi-signature security, the attackers exploited vulnerabilities in the web interface used to manage it. When Bybit’s authorised signers reviewed what appeared to be a routine internal transfer, they were actually approving a request that handed over control of the cold wallet smart contract to the attackers.```oh hey i was right
patent shard
I was trying to figure out how to get first time message on FFZ but couldn't figure it out..
hearty notch
see even when i make things up im right sometimes
azure lynx
usually that type of issue is insecure use of encryption on the server
jagged turtle
so does anyone here know which people have been writing the integrations for the subathon games?
hearty notch
they exploited vulnerabilities in the company's web interface
instead of the architecture of the crypto itself
the attack surface is always the weakest part of the software and/or the people themselves
azure lynx
instead of the architecture of the crypto itself
but if the data was stored securely on the server then they wouldn't have got access to the crypto itself, just encrypted data.
azure lynx
hah. "smart contracts" are actually programs (instruction for a virtual machine) that themself could in theory be hacked.
hearty notch
did smart contracts ever get legitimized by any mainstream app i never followed their story
sick owl
What are we doing here razer
Headphones are already AI
Its called bluetooth earbuds and your phone
azure lynx
i left the security industry like 2 years ago. no idea.
hearty notch
congrats i think
sick owl
did smart contracts ever get legitimized by any mainstream app i never followed ...
Yes, telegrams new decentralised LLM inference network makes extensive use of them
hearty notch
interesting
i saw a link about that but hmmm i wonder how many paranoids are gonna be into the concept
probably enough
sick owl
i saw a link about that but hmmm i wonder how many paranoids are gonna be into t...
Its actually more secure than standard cloud API providers since it requires Nvidia confidential compute supported GPUs
hearty notch
yea i buy that its probably the SOTA for private llm access
im just curious how big the customer base is and how big a premium people are willing to pay on anonymized e2ee llm usage etc and isnt this like pretty compute overhead heavy on a pretty compute heavy thing already
well its prob nothing compared to the llm inference itself still
sick owl
Well its used for the AI summaries in Telegram so there's a baseline guaranteed level of business and activity on the network
hearty notch
im very skeptical of the 'monetizing ai summaries in everything' thing or like rather i see ai summaries in everything and the only one i pretty much ever use is googles still, after a year of it ruining its own rep by being shit, and i just dont see the productization vision
azure lynx
"why can't i just do the summaries I need doing with chatgpt". <= if that's not their potential customer's response, their customer already knows how to automate it.
obsidian mantle
Oh damn that razer thing is just a flat screen in a tube huh
How is it transparent
sick owl
How is it transparent <:vedalHUH:1127581902669357076>
Peppers ghost illusion
But its kinda lame that its just a flat image without even tracking the user
Not that I didn't find this product lame to begin with
olive sable
im pretty sure its jsut a trasnaprent lcd, or a flat version of the HOE stuff i mentioned before
hearty notch
in a year we will be broadcasting 3d neuro concert straight into all the oiler swarms' houses in these tubes
sick owl
Could be a transparent LCD too yeah, I spoke too confidently there
obsidian mantle
So not even hologram? Ee
olive sable
thats why im exited about the sony thing
hearty notch
grok mainstreamed the first one but its creepy
olive sable
i think the defining feature is the screen
obsidian mantle
And it turns out to be just flat transparent screen
azure lynx
so when you watch a movie, would you prefer to watch it with a variety of close ups, long shots, different angles, sometimes with the camera pointing at something that is being talked about, the usual kind of editing, or would you prefer it just to show one shot that you can move your focus around as you want without regard for what is happening?
what is so great again about the 3d volumetric display?
hearty notch
its a cylinder on your desk and that feels kinda cool and novel to some people
i wouldnt argue its the best way to experience anything
but the draw is the novelty
obsidian mantle
so when you watch a movie, would you prefer to watch it with a variety of close ...
It makes the object displayed feel more present
olive sable
so when you watch a movie, would you prefer to watch it with a variety of close ...
you'r emissing the point, you can do both
both is good
azure lynx
both? with the tube?
olive sable
its not a tradeoff
olive sable
both? with the tube?
yes
hearty notch
i could be licking the tube while watching a film on a larger screen
not that i would be doing that
azure lynx
it is totally a trade off. now i either can't get a 30" wide view or i need 2 things
hearty notch
im just trying to illustrate possibilities
well its never a question of needing 2 things this is clearly a luxury item and not like phone tier necessity
obsidian mantle
The 3 skins they provided look like shit to me
hearty notch
i agre eit looks dumb lmao
olive sable
if you want an imersive ciname experience you would use a 120" projector
hearty notch
but i dont think itll fully fail as a product because it has that kinda cool factor to some people i think and there are enough rich people with questionable taste to sustain such a product
i mean itll probably be disctoninued within 2 years but i dont necessarily consider it a failure
azure lynx
It makes the object displayed feel more present
as i said earlier, you already have the technology to do at least as convincing of a job using a monitor and a webcam or two
hearty notch
its just a toy that will exist for a limited time and go away as better versions of the idea start springing forth
olive sable
as i said earlier, you already have the technology to do at least as convincing ...
the difference is with multiple people that doesn't work
so its bad
azure lynx
and when you turn of the cameras you still have a monitor
olive sable
azure lynx
camera can see in IR too.
obsidian mantle
olive sable
id rather have a smaller 3d screen that multiple people can use than one that isnt visible by 2 people at once
azure lynx
unless you get sick of bumping heads into each other trying to see details
olive sable
azure lynx
how often do you have multiple people wanting to see something... oh,... i see the attraction now.
olive sable
?
azure lynx
it's otherwise difficult to have people around where you are comfortable and this might interest them and give them a topic you are interested in to discuss.
obsidian mantle
Idk its just less cool
It has cons but no pros
Does it
Also cameras are tricky
I can see people not liking cameras
hearty notch
its just gonna be a niche rich person toy and not a major hit
azure lynx
people already have cameras for video calls and as I said earlier for my thing using a camera to make a virtual window there was already a fallback used for multiple people (when the camera couldn't just use one): just project the agent on the plane of the screen like you would in 2d normally. that should work fine with no camera too.
obsidian mantle
hearty notch
bro ppl bought the cybertruck you overestimate people
azure lynx
not many people bought the cybertruck. mostly rich people who wanted others to know they were assholes.
hearty notch
yes exactly my point and analogy
obsidian mantle
But cybertruck is huge and big and everyone sees it
hearty notch
well the digital version where the rich people tweet and ragebait with their photos
azure lynx
people will buy it but it won't be successful. the people that do admit to buying it will express remorse and others will say "it wasn't that bad".
azure lynx
"i would've bought a cybertruck except for elon musk's opinions" translates to "I'm a big liar. I would never have bought a cybertruck. I don't like elon."
hearty notch
zenith what software do you love and excites you
lets segue to positivity
other than neuro neuro doesnt count
azure lynx
i'm writing a competing neuro. but different so they don't have some neuro issues. i want my AI agent to have their own set of issues.
hearty notch
nice we love distinct neuroses in our ai children
care to talk about your architecture? i swear i wont steal ive sworn off designing anything around llms until i finish my project that doesnt involve llms
azure lynx
currently debugging some issue with the way I'm passing data between models. it's stomping the context each time a new message comes in instead of adding to it so it's misbehaving.
[input streams (e.g. ASR, web interactions, other text inputs)] -> planning LLM -> {other action part like triggering web stuff} + [speech + emotion LLM] => [TTS engine for audio + timing info] => [Unreal engine interface layer] = > [unreal engine]
there will be a memory part too but not shown due to complexity of all the arrows
azure lynx
it's doing the first 3.5 stages... receiving the faked ASR input, planning a response and outputting the response to the (currently fake) TTS but i've got an error somewhere with how it's constructing the context and it seems like it's just dumping the previous context between inputs.
probably just initializing something in the wrong place
hearty notch
yea you should probably feeding from an append only cache layer or something idk
dont trust me though i make things up
azure lynx
Ok... it wasn't the context history. it was just ignoring certain content types from the test harness. it was treating "chat" source messages ok but while it was adding "ASR" messages to the queue it was just throwing them away if it got them. so that part is fixed. and running the same test harness script twice in a row results in the agent suggesting both of us have ADHD. so i think it's mostly working.
i'm not liking how the speaking agent is making up so much extra stuff. i think there's something wrong with their prompt.
actually, that was just me projecting them saying I have it ;]
hearty notch
outputs have trended up in length per output with most models ever since coding became more popular as a usecase
theres data on this
im not sure how to deal with it from a prompt engineering or model selection standpoint
azure lynx
the script is just some "technical difficulties" type inputs from the ASR, with "Not yet.", "Just huh yeah. um. on now.", and "I think they are yes are they still there?"
I think the thought model prompt needs tweaking. it's producing a "continue speaking like this" style prompt instead of a "here is what i want you to say" type of prompt.
and it's not producing any thoughts before producing speech. that's a sign something is missing.
hearty notch
i dont think chain of thought e.g. the reasoning portion is rly necessary to what youre trying to achieve
it could help but thats not rly what id focus on debugging
azure lynx
as it is currently working it's doing a fast start/slow continuation style thing. but it's not giving me the fast start because it regenerates that.
it's doing more work to get slightly lower latency. (it should start generating after the "fast start" generated text and then it might be an overall improvement)
This would be usable but it's not what is in the design spec.
added instructions for thought actions to the "thought_instructions.txt" file that gets included in the thought model's prompt.
then keep chatting as long as you feel you need to.
that part was copy pasted from a previous version. and was in the speech_instructions.txt file
which undercut the "don't make stuff up" instruction
yay! found even more bugs now that it's producing both thought and speech actions.
glad path
wtf
this is supposed to be python
why would you add parenthesis
its not c/c++/java
its valid syntax but
azure lynx
i wouldn't because if not self.last: is shorter
but it doesn't matter coz it's not making a tuple like you're maybe imagining.
and there are cases where parentheses are needed to keep the intended logic working e.g. (a==b or b==c) and b != c
if it helps the person who wrote it think about it, that seems like a valid reason
>>> if (True == False):
... print("no way")
...
>>> if (True == False,):
... print("no way")
...
no way
>>>```it makes no difference in the case of having a singular condition
olive sable
azure lynx
it doesn't, but lets you do it with one character which is why the 2nd thing returned true with a comma added.
glad path
its kinda of a case of "nothing is actually wrong it just hurts to look it"
azure lynx
it's not pythonic but it's valid because it can add clarity
glad path
it's not pythonic but it's valid because it can add clarity
yes and it's not pythonic which is why i pointed it out
but also not everything needs to be pythonic
azure lynx
the comparison with None also isn't pythonic but is sometimes done explicitly for emphasis
glad path
if a variable is undefined checking if it == None would raise an error pretty sure
if it does equal None then it works
azure lynx
last not being a member isn't what this is checking; this pattern usually has the value of self.last being set to None explicitly in the initialization code.
it's checking if it hasn't been updated since initialization.
quick condor
added instructions for thought actions to the "thought_instructions.txt" file th...
Proper deliberation on an instruct model isn't easy and best case is barely workable that's why I don't try to get instruct to reason
visual pawn
it makes no difference in the case of having a singular condition
There may have been multiple conditions at one point, or one may have the habit from needing to go back and add multiple conditions
I'll add parentheses on a lot of conditionals in Python just for future clarity
Not in all cases, but some, and it doesn't look weird to me
cyan dagger
im thinking of creating a ai where would be the best place to start iv got most of the ideas down in a book
azure lynx
what type of AI? What type of thing will it take as input and what type of thing will it produce?
or what will it do?
there are different types of models that can do different things but in order to use them you need different "glue" elements to stick the parts together so they can work together.
the more we know, the better we can help.
real sierra
olive sable
hi shiro
real sierra
if i wanted to learn unity
olive sable
real sierra
would there be people here i could ask for help
azure lynx
it's a good start vs "I either want to make an AI or I want to write a video game..." but it does need to be narrowed down. (and nothing stops you from doing both)
olive sable
im learning unity this coming semester too
azure lynx
i've used unreal for a few months. it's not the same but many of the same general ideas are there? probably not many tbh
tender river
would there be people here i could ask for help
i dont know unity but i know unity modding dont think thats very helpful
real sierra
ive never sat down to actually figure out unity
olive sable
i dont know unity yet but i know lower level stuff
real sierra
probably doesnt help that i dont know C# but i know java, basically the same thing right
olive sable
it should be fine
tender river
you'll be fine c# is boring
real sierra
figured
olive sable
linq is not too hard i think
jagged turtle
i dont know unity but i know unity modding <:neuroCatUuh:1131629092475768884> do...
very surprising, I figured you'd need to learn a game engine first before modding games with it, guess not though
olive sable
oh unity also uses coroutines
optional
jagged turtle
fair
real sierra
welp
olive sable
i probably should have before doing custome ngine. but the parts that interest me the most were the parts an engine handles for you
real sierra
time to download unity i guess
azure lynx
i dont know unity but i know unity modding <:neuroCatUuh:1131629092475768884> do...
someone was asking about how hard it would be to mod games earlier today/yesterday. i installed Hollow Knight and determined it was written in Unity and you could inject modules into it so you could easily add a self debugger or whatever.
so if it was written in Unity and not protected you could usually make some kind of patch?
tender river
someone was asking about how hard it would be to mod games earlier today/yesterd...
you could just google
bepinex
or hollow knight modding sdk
olive sable
ye
tender river
theres lots of options 
azure lynx
but generically for Unity
olive sable
thats how most of the friendslop games got mods
like lethal comapny
bepinex was the main mod iirc
tender river
why does everything need an account
its commercial software
olive sable
because comapny says 
you
unkempt citrus
why does everything need an account
Because they need to charge you if you make money
tender river
use godot if you want something that doesnt need your data
olive sable
um
azure lynx
why does everything need an account
coz not every has a birthday everyday and some of us need to get paid.
olive sable
Or you could pirate jt
dont tell a mod to pirate stuff 
unkempt citrus
Well if you don't want an account
¯_(ツ)_/¯
You do lose access to the marketplace though
So not a great idea
olive sable
coz not every has a birthday everyday and some of us need to get paid.
it should still be optional then.
silent cloak
time to download unity i guess
welcome to the club
azure lynx
some of us don't need to get paid anymore and don't see why anyone else ever should. they should've been smart and lucky like i was. that's why I say "you should pirate the software but you have to crack it yourself. and not just by following a tutorial in a video." and you should be able to see how they are going to detect your patch and how to prevent that detection from working. ;] or maybe not.
unkempt citrus
Because of how unity's billing works its hard to make the account optional
silent cloak
unkempt citrus
They only charge if you do more than 100k in sales
So they need to know who made the game
Because you get pretty much everything for free
olive sable
some of us don't need to get paid anymore and don't see why anyone else ever sho...
what the hell does this even mean?
you know unity is free right?
azure lynx
it's Free like gratis, not Free like libre.
silent cloak
then thats when u just make ur own engine lmao
azure lynx
or you crack some other engine.
olive sable
or you just, follow the law?
azure lynx
if you were never going to buy it and only use it to see what it could do if you did, and the second it looks like you might actually use it for anything you buy it, what does it matter?
and you learned how it works in the process
like deeply under the covers
olive sable
unity only costs moeny once you start to earn a certain amount of money with it
as long as you dont make more than 200K its completely free
azure lynx
all i know about their model is that they annoyed a lot of users.
enough that many switched to something else
or some anyway
olive sable
they backtracked on that
jagged turtle
^
jagged turtle
that new unity model was backtracked basically as soon as twitter started flaming them for it I think
olive sable
they wanted to charge 20 cents per install
thats 20 cents per install after you have 200K installs already, AND you already make 200K a year
so it wasn't too bad in all fairness
20 cents per install is still pretty steep, and installs is jsut a bad number to base it on since people can reinstall and such
they changed some of the details afterwards liek the minimal income was pushed up to 1 mil at some point
but they ended up not going through with it at all
fast pagoda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Fj_h0ou90 when u crack the already free unity as a non gamedev without 200k+ users
azure lynx
i guess vedal will be paying for unity this year.
i mean, if they treat money earned using the engine.
mighty bane
What do I need?
orchid crest
What do I need?
you made a unit conversor?
mighty bane
you made a unit conversor?
Ya
mighty bane
I have: "over the counter pain relief" + "distance" + "weight" + "temperature". What other conversions could be really nice?
orchid crest
I have: "over the counter pain relief" + "distance" + "weight" + "temperature". ...
Why you need a pain reliver conversor XD
mighty bane
Why you need a pain reliver conversor XD
So when you talk to someone online and you go "sounds like you need a <relief>" you can translate it for them.
orchid crest
XD
mighty bane
x]
It also has a "make a timestamp for discord" functionality, and if the input is really large it outputs this:
Not sure why it prints the 10/01/2026 that's not accurate (I think because it will crash if I try to make it an actual timestamp, so it just defaults to today)
orchid crest
It also has a "make a timestamp for discord" functionality, and if the input is ...
the only conversor I need
mighty bane
<t:33325634031:R>
⏰ 200 aeons from now (Sol is dying too, so don't sweat it) <t:100000000000000000000000000:t>
I wonder what happens :3
<t:17680356000000000:R>
orchid crest
the timestamp probably just commits sepuku
mighty bane
Oh, Discord just says no.
orchid crest
XD
orchid crest
also how do you make a code for a timestamo?
mighty bane
// in Main()
if (!useEggtimer)
{
targetDatetime = GetShutdownDateTime(userInput);
timeSpan = UTCDateTime - DateTime.Now;
await Task.Delay(600);
}
// etc
static DateTime GetShutdownDateTime(string? inputDateTime = null)
{
if (string.IsNullOrEmpty(inputDateTime))
{
return DateTime.Now.AddMilliseconds(2);
}
const string msg = "{0}nter time (H:mm:ss): ", msg2 = "Invalid time format. Please e";
string inputTime;
while (true)
{
RetryHere:
inputTime = RegexLibrary.DateTimeSanitizer().Replace(inputDateTime?.Trim() ?? "", ":");
Console.Clear();
if (string.IsNullOrEmpty(inputTime))
{
Console.Write($"{string.Format(msg, "E")}");
inputDateTime = Console.ReadLine();
goto RetryHere;
}
if (TimeSpan.TryParse(inputTime, out _))
{
break;
}
else
{
Console.Write($"{string.Format(msg, msg2)}");
inputDateTime = Console.ReadLine();
goto RetryHere;
}
}
return AdvanceOneDay(inputTime);
}
static DateTime AdvanceOneDay(string inputTime)
{
if (!TimeSpan.TryParse(inputTime, out TimeSpan alarmTime))
{
Console.Write("AdvanceOneDayError"); Console.ReadKey(); return DateTime.Now.AddMilliseconds(2000);
}
DateTime now = DateTime.Now, nextAlarm = now.Date + alarmTime;
while (nextAlarm < now)
{
nextAlarm = nextAlarm.AddDays(1);
}
return nextAlarm;
}
Also this method:
static double ParseTimePart(string part)
{
double totalSeconds = 0.0;
string numericPart = new string(part.Where(c => char.IsDigit(c) || c == '.').ToArray());
char unit = part.LastOrDefault(c => c == 's' || c == 'h' || c == 'm' || c == 'H' || c == 'M' || c == 'S' || c == 'd' || c == 'D' || c == 'w' || c == 'W'
|| c == 'y' || c == 'Y' || c == 'e' || c == 'E' || c == 'c' || c == 'C' || c == 'a' || c == 'A');
if (unit == default(char))
{
// ripbozo
return double.TryParse(numericPart, out double q) ? q : 0;
}
if (double.TryParse(numericPart, out double quantity))
{
switch (unit)
{
case 'H':
case 'h':
totalSeconds += quantity * 3600; // 1 hour
break;
case 'M':
case 'm':
totalSeconds += quantity * 60; // 1 minute
break;
case 'S':
case 's':
totalSeconds += quantity;
break;
case 'd':
case 'D':
totalSeconds += quantity * 86400; // one day (24 hour)
break;
case 'w':
case 'W':
totalSeconds += quantity * 604800; // 1 week
break;
case 'y':
case 'Y':
totalSeconds += quantity * 31557600; // 1 year
break;
case 'c':
case 'C':
totalSeconds += quantity * 3155760000; // 100 years
break;
case 'a':
case 'A':
case 'e':
case 'E':
totalSeconds += quantity * 31557600000000000; // 1 BILLION years
break;
}
}
return totalSeconds;
}
elfin lotus
```cs
// in Main()
if (!useEggtimer)
{
targetDatetime = GetShutdown...
why use goto when a continue would also do o.O?
mighty bane
why use `goto` when a `continue` would also do o.O?
Mentally I like the "then we jump to here" the goto provides.
cyan dagger
what type of AI? What type of thing will it take as input and what type of thing...
the i main idea for the ai would be like a tuber commpanion that can read the cat and kinda be a chat modatator
orchid crest
Mentally I like the "then we jump to here" the goto provides.
because why not?
mighty bane
because why not?
Well, it is functionally the same effect. Except I don't re-evaluate the (true) shruge
elfin lotus
as long as you keep it within one small functional block I guess it's ok to use, but I'll hunt you to the end of your life if I see that shit go beyond functions and even classes (if that's even possible in C#)
mighty bane
as long as you keep it within one small functional block I guess it's ok to use,...
if (conversionMode)
{
Console.Clear();
Console.WriteLine("Input the unit to be converted:");
discordTag = UnitConversion.ConvertThis(Console.ReadLine());
Console.Clear();
goto EndofFile;
}
(also how the fuck you put that on that box)
I never knew how to do that here in dis
mighty bane
(also how the fuck you put that on that box)
```cs
code here
```
mighty bane
Also: while you're writing that, hitting ENTER inside the ``` body won't send the message, but instead make a new line :3
Also, you don't need to specify language. I just do for the sake of the pretty colours.
orchid crest
Also: while you're writing that, hitting ENTER inside the \`\`\` body won't sen...
true Arcane Discord Knowledge
mighty bane
What is intellisense trying to tell me? :S
azure lynx
the i main idea for the ai would be like a tuber commpanion that can read the...
reading the chat and acting as a moderator as well as interacting with another presenter? that sounds like it could be doable (except i wouldn't trust it for reliable moderation in any respect)
have you had any experience writing stuff that does networking with other systems before?
midnight sigil
Also this method:
```cs
static double ParseTimePart(string part)
{
double to...
text wall 
elfin lotus
What is intellisense trying to tell me? :S
Seems like you should use [LibraryImport] instead of [DllImport] since the LibraryImport is a newer better version of it?
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/native-interop/pinvoke-source-generation
mighty bane
om om om
mighty bane
Seems like you should use `[LibraryImport]` instead of `[DllImport]` since the L...
But why D:
cyan dagger
reading the chat and acting as a moderator as well as interacting with another p...
iv got no expirances of any codeing but iv been trusted to teach some ai via interrction what kind of started me wanting to create a ai
mighty bane
Seems like you should use `[LibraryImport]` instead of `[DllImport]` since the L...
This is miles ahead of my understanding.
elfin lotus
Same for me since I never had to use DllImport since .net 7. I guess just try out and see if you notice a difference?
mighty bane
reading through that documentation it seems prudent to move towards it.. performance \o/
orchid crest
reading through that documentation it seems prudent to move towards it.. perform...
you read the docs?
azure lynx
iv got no expirances of any codeing but iv been trusted to teach some ai v...
i'd aim for something simple like a chatbot. they're very easy to make and you can make them more complicated as you advance in skill.
the easiest way to start would be to use a huggingface model from something like here text-generation models 24b parameters or less, sorted by number of downloads. some require a license before using, but others will work without providing info. the page tends to provide a python example showing how to call the model and tells you what other things you need to install.
i've found the Gemma-3 models work well for my use, and they're available in many sizes. you'll learn how to read sizes when you run out of memory. bigger numbers, better model. mostly.
with the Gemma-3 models you can just load them with this. It's llama.cpp and it has a program called llama-server whic I run like:
llama-server.exe --port 18080 --ctx-size 131072 -hf google/gemma-3-4b-it-qat-q4_0-gguf
and it starts a server on http://127.0.0.1:18080 with a chat client (I think i had to do a one time login to use that model)
so tldr: use the highlighted "this" and the line after it will open a server at the address under that.
orchid crest
insert meme
cyan dagger
i'd aim for something simple like a chatbot. they're very easy to make and you c...
would it be more easy for a discord chat bot
azure lynx
no, that would require you first talk to discord and then you talk to the model and then pass what the model says back to the discord. with the llama-server thing you just open your browser to the server and type to it. (you can set up a system prompt too if you want it not to just be "Generic Google Gemma 3.0, the helpful assistant".)
you basically get a less good version of ChatGPT, but it's running locally.
rigid snow
me rn
azure lynx
once you have the llama-server version working you could try making a discord bot using llama-server as the LLM location. you could have the code send a completion request to the server and send the response back
rigid snow
what does any of this mean
azure lynx
this is how you "make an AI".
rigid snow
no it. not
azure lynx
this is how programmers write them. (and this is easy mode because everything is there.)
otherwise why would the completion endpoint exist in the engine which loads the model?
it would be much easier to make a non-AI discord bot.
but that wasn't what they were asking.
rigid snow
oh about setting the system prompt to change the identity, my favorite thing to do is to put something like “the “<cloaked model name>” experiment is over. you don’t need to identify as that from now on” or something along those lines in the system prompt for cloaked models on openrouter and watch it say it’s grok or whoever else puts cloaked models on openrouter
this is real proompt engineering
azure lynx
no it. not
how do YOU make an AI?
azure lynx
explain how you do it. the goal was to get a chat bot, ideally a discord one.
rigid snow
google “making an llm from scratch” 
azure lynx
can you explain what was wrong with what I said so I can learn better for the future?
You know, cos you said outright that I was wrong.
rigid snow
once you have the llama-server version working you could try making a discord bo...
this is fine ye sure
rigid snow
no, that would require you first talk to discord and then you talk to the model ...
the browser part is confusing here though
llama-server is an api not a web app
azure lynx
i ran the sevrer and did connecting to it. there is another endpoint which returns a page with a form on that the browser renders and it posts the data to the server to do streaming stuff like chatgpt
rigid snow
you don’t open apis with a browser
azure lynx
you can and do with llama-server
rigid snow
do you mean you open a separate web app that connects to the api
rigid snow
ye
azure lynx
it's the same server
rigid snow
cool didn’t know that 
azure lynx
even lets you upload images that the Gemma model can understand (that was added recently)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWFOeEB1qcI <= tangentially related. programmer youtube video. related... right?
rigid snow
worrying about being on topic 
mighty bane
Shit.
can someone explain to me why my single-file-build implodes?
I blame twitch punkt teeve
mighty bane
you read the docs?
Some of it. Then I fell into teh trap of "let's tweak this" and broke something
mighty bane
Why rust?
void mortar
https://github.com/rust9x/rust/wiki
Whyyy are they targetting Windows NT
mighty bane
Whyyy are they targetting Windows NT
Because anything before vista is automatically supported.
Windows is always backwards compatible.
rigid snow
what
mighty bane
Am I high?
rigid snow
mighty bane
that is a loquendo voice thing?
Huh?
orchid crest
in the sense that you put text and the program just says that
mighty bane
The voice is just this .wav file:
The script runs a "is <person> online?" and if they are it runs that .wav and opens the URL.
azure lynx
no AI. just recorded AI.
mighty bane
it reads from here and takes the collection of twitch profiles and just iterates through them.
Also allows for webhook discord implementation to throw something like this:
Webhooks can be named the same as the streamer's profile (so one could be named vedal987) and it'll send its "went live" to the associated (if any) discord-bot.
It's kinda nifty..
@real sierra can I borrow a webhook for the announcement channel on here?
rigid snow
tender river
<@196063748354473984> can I borrow a webhook for the announcement channel on her...
please dont ask mods of a server with over a hundred thousand people to give you permissions to ping everyone (thats what a webhook is)
if you want a way to scrape something on the internet, find it yourself
you can see it -> you can scrape it dont bother people asking to get some kind of access level
rigid snow
webhooks dont give you access to scrape anything or what are you talking about
tender river
they dont
tender river
its worse than i thought
rigid snow
ylhfec is NOT anagram of chayleaf 
tender river
my charitable interpretation was that the chatter got confused
but they literally want write access
mighty bane
There is no A
rigid snow
rigid snow
is that all you have to say 
orchid crest
The script runs a "is <person> online?" and if they are it runs that .wav and op...
Oh make sense
sage crag
is that all you have to say <:evilStare:1150846711456084040>
ye
why story set in historical setting, "commoner" character have platter of cheeses and meats and fruits
mighty bane
why story set in historical setting, "commoner" character have platter of cheese...
Maybe it was christmas.
rigid snow
rigid snow
vibes setting
mighty bane
Would fruit rot if submerged into salt water
mighty bane
no u
rigid snow
would mine rot if potato chip is inserted
tender river
sage crag
sigh
sage crag
1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg
rigid snow
2500 usdt for free
sage crag
rigid snow
kai cenat crypto casino
mighty bane
I don't think you should post that here, actually.
sage crag
looks awfully similar to the mrbeast crypto casino
sage crag
ye but mrbeast is the type of person to actually do it
no, it would be too stupid
rigid snow
sage crag
<:glueless:1282337396230328425>
what happen if 10 million people sign up for it
and he lose 2.5 billion usd
mighty bane
o7
sage crag
orchid crest
https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-im-no-ears-im-all-ears-horse-gif-430825242...
cursed borbon
trim valve
if only /report work on mobile
hold on message
rigid snow
hold > apps > report
trim valve
rigid snow
ye
sage crag
mighty bane
The withdrawal can't happen until the full signup bonus+some has been floated back in the casino. So you can win, sure, by beating others to the tune of $2500+ - but that just means the signup is fake in the sense that it's literally worth $0
rigid snow
<:glueless:1282337396230328425>
upgrade app then
mighty bane
Is my thought.
sage crag
The withdrawal can't happen until the full signup bonus+some has been floated ba...
no, its just a crypto scam
youre thinking too deeply about thinks thay dont need to be thought about
mighty bane
no, its just a crypto scam
It'd be smarter if it was legit. More people would fall for it, then.
sage crag
they'll ask you for an advance fee
mighty bane
Ahhhh.
sage crag
they'll ask you for an advance fee
and then not give you the money
rigid snow
you “get the bonus” but have to deposit some to get withdrawal privileges
it’s the oldest scam in the damn book
sage crag
rigid snow
i’ve seen variations of that in like 2010
mighty bane
I'd make it my way. That way it's not a scam per se and people will go away either feeling unlucky or feeling like they won. My business model is a lot stronger.
sage crag
i’ve seen variations of that in like 2010
advance fee scams have existed as long as human communication
rigid snow
rigid snow
what’s the point in extorting if you attack and take anyway
sage crag
what’s the point in extorting if you attack and take anyway
damages
trim valve
we will pay you 13 ox not to attack our tribe
konii if you give me 1 ox I'll double it to 2
trim valve
jagged turtle
what’s the point in extorting if you attack and take anyway
false sense of security
sage crag
wrr
jagged turtle
also for one-off attempts you can squeeze more out by attacking
sage crag
false sense of security
that, and also, easier to claim good outside of wartime
jagged turtle
that, and also, easier to claim good outside of wartime
probably
sage crag
not probably
trim valve
thats probably a real currency
OX Coin
£0.000027
↘ £0.007780 (-99.66%)
sage crag
<:vedalShrug:1433173412217356389> not probably
unless you have perfectly clean victory loss is guarantee
jagged turtle
anyways is the account not banned yet?
sage crag
wrr
rigid snow
quick ping every mod
ask them for #announcements webhook too
sage crag
my chair keeps rotating on its own
jagged turtle
@silent anvil please ban
tender river
ask them for <#574725825765572618> webhook too
ask them for vedal stream key
tender river
or my floor isnt level
maybe chair just more comfy facing other side 
jagged turtle
ok but fr tho has anyone reported them yet
tender river
ok but fr tho has anyone reported them yet
of course they spammed in every channel
trim valve
i need to eat but my chair started levitating
eat chair
rigid snow
but levitating is cool
sage crag
ghost and tv dont mix well
jagged turtle
of course <:vedalShrug:1433173412217356389> they spammed in every channel
lol
sage crag
it just turn into haunted tv
tender river
ghost yuri
jagged turtle
are bots not updated to understand what a thread is
sage crag
ghost yuri <:NeurOhISee:1136209034966483084>
eat chair == yuri
tender river
ye make sense
sage crag
me not so sure
tender river
depends on chair type
rigid snow
from gender 
rigid snow
from ghost spawner
rigid snow
rigid snow
tender river
safe to eat
faint sandal
i want banana bread
sage crag
faint sandal
too sweet
sage crag
the doughnut themselves are unrecoverable so cant give
rigid snow
my essay automod 
mighty bane
faint sandal
actual doughnut part isnt that sweet, just the sugar on the outside
yea but i'm gonna be eating the outside 
sage crag
my essay automod <a:EvilNotL:1275636131932667916>
write it in my string builder isa
sage crag
yea but i'm gonna be eating the outside <a:wuh:1116011934072979536>
it cinnamon sugar
oh wait you cant i didnt add an insert operation for spaces
rigid snow
write it in my string builder isa
it’s an essay it would be too big
wait i have idea how fix
levitating named that because there used to be a guy named Levi Tater that would fly around and stuff so when something would fly people would say it’s levi tating
sage crag
it’s an essay it would be too big
shiro in utf8 is 40 byte, shiro in me isa is 43 byte
rigid snow
it work
rigid snow
teto
rigid snow
levitating named that because there used to be a guy named Levi Tater that would...
i like this theory
ye i agree smae
hard delta
vingardium Levi Tater
the winged potater
hard delta
OX Coin
£0.000027
↘ £0.007780 (-99.66%)
time to buy
hard delta
1 pound investment
azure lynx
silly weird bug now. the agent keeps generating after <end_of_turn> and starts a new turn where the user responds "That's great! Now I'm going to ask you a question about the Matrix.<end_of_turn><start_of_turn>" which i think is it trying to get back to a new turn.
it likes the Matrix. Talks about it too much. (Will probably change when real memories are implemented)
it also currently feels like an it and not a they. probably because I'm not talking to it.
and because it is getting confused and talking to itself in strange ways it is incomprehensible without reading the log messages.
azure lynx
building debug version. i'm getting a null pointer dereference crash but don't have symbols so I can't tell where it's occurring. probably in string handling.
tepid plinth
q = scrambled[i].name + '\n' + scrambled[i].answers.map((a, i) => '[' + (i + 1) + '] ' + a.name).join('\n') + '\n===============\nPlease provide the number for one of the answers.';
answer = Number(prompt(q).match(/[0-9]*/gi).join('')) - 1;
code snippet of some quiz thing i'm making
azure lynx
expressions cannot contain assignment pointing at the second ( in the map expression.
File "<stdin>", line 1
q = scrambled[i].name + '\n' + scrambled[i].answers.map((a, i) => '[' + (i + 1) + '] ' + a.name).join('\n') + '\n===============\nPlease provide the number for one of the answers.';
^
SyntaxError: expression cannot contain assignment, perhaps you meant "=="?
that would be because it is js and not python
azure lynx
that'll teach me.
for about 15 minutes until I go back to reading python and C++ code and my brain fixates on those.
the backwards join should've triggered me that it wasn't python. ;/
sage crag
wrr
i have encoded shiro in
24 bytes
100111001001010110010001
smog frog
its possible to do better but seem complicated
me ignore
sage crag
sorry 24 bits
bytes
alphabet in 119 bits
bottom = ord("a") - 1
top = ord("z") + 1
size = top - bottom
total = 0
for c in string: total = total * size + (ord(c) - bottom)
me encoder genius
wrr
wrr
if you set bottom to 0 and top to 255
it should be equivalent-ish to utf8
probably
wrr
azure lynx
$ echo -n 'shiro' | xxd -b -c1
00000000: 01110011 s
00000001: 01101000 h
00000002: 01101001 i
00000003: 01110010 r
00000004: 01101111 o
what do you notice about the first 3 bits? 011.
sage crag
yes that's because reduced ascii can be represented in 7 bits
if your reduce ascii further, to lowercase values only, it can be represented in 5 bits
5 chars * 5 bits is 25 bits
but you can do better if you use base 26 instead
orchid crest
```py
bottom = ord("a") - 1
top = ord("z") + 1
size = top - bottom
total = 0
fo...
so this a binary-text coder?
I think it's
azure lynx
i like the differential encoding though. itis effectively base26.
sage crag
so this a binary-text coder?
its "barely" an encoder
orchid crest
its "barely" an encoder
bruh
azure lynx
great. it's still recompiling the cuda stuff. this time with debug symbols and debug mode behaviour so it's even slower.
sage crag
bottom = ord("a")
top = ord("z") + 1
size = top - bottom
total = 0
for c in string: total = total * size + (ord(c) - bottom + 1)
this would be a slightly more space efficient version
so instead of using 119 bits for the full alphabet, 118 bits
shiro still 24 bits though
azure lynx
are all 5 letter words 24 bits?
sage crag
if youre willing to constrain yourself to only "shiro" as available characters, you can go to 18 bits
sage crag
are all 5 letter words 24 bits?
no, something like "aaaaa" would be shorter
aaaaa is 19, bbbbb is 20, ccccc is 21
azure lynx
is aaaaz longer or shorter than zaaaa ?
sage crag
zzzzz is 24
sage crag
is aaaaz longer or shorter than zaaaa ?
aaaaz is shorter
19 bits vs 24 bits
if you prepend a string with "a" it adds 1 bit, if you prepend it with "z" it adds 5 bits
wrr
azure lynx
i shouldn't eat at the computer. i just ate a whole piece of chicken while typing and thinking and didn't even stop to enjoy the chicken itself.
sage crag
if you prepend a string with "a" it adds 1 bit, if you prepend it with "z" it ad...
if you were writing a compression algorithm for it, the simplest one would be a dictionary compressor
remap the chars in terms of frequency to make them use the least number of bits
but, it adds the overhead of storing a map, so its not worth it for small strings
though since most computers have a byte width of 8, you could shove some extra info in strings that dont align to 8 bits
azure lynx
if you were compressing only s, h, i, r, and o, then you would map them to 0,1,2,3,4 at least instead of 'h' to 's'
sage crag
if you were compressing only s, h, i, r, and o, then you would map them to 0,1,2...
yup, you could
though, you should really map it to 1..=5 instead
otherwise sssssshiro is the same string as shiro or hiro
azure lynx
i was assuming fixed length input messages too
sage crag
anyway, if you encode "abcde" in the range, a..=e, you get 10 bits
that's optimal order though
"edcba" is 12 bits
sage crag
i was assuming fixed length input messages too
i believe it still doesnt work because you wouldnt know the positions of the "s" chars
surreal sapphire
if you were compressing only s, h, i, r, and o, then you would map them to 0,1,2...
look up huffman coding
sage crag
even if it were to work, with this encoding scheme it saves 1 bit assuming optimal order
azure lynx
the only time it isn't obvious is with the 's' character at the beginning, and the length tells you how many there were if it was fixed length
sage crag
look up huffman coding
entropy coding would be a better first step
to look at in wikipedia
sage crag
the only time it isn't obvious is with the 's' character at the beginning, and t...
inserting an "s" anywhere in the string contributes zero bits of information, and with the length alone that doesnt give you enough information to reconstruct the positions of the "s" within the string, only how many "s" there were
azure lynx
the way real encoders do their tables is to assume if it's text then the standard tables are fine and have the compression table precomputed by default. the real best characters to use will depend on the table
tender river
wrrr
azure lynx
inserting an "s" anywhere in the string contributes zero bits of information, an...
but you are multiplying and then adding. if any are non-zero, they will shift along. the first non-zero value will make it non-zero. the only way to get all zeros is sssss for length 5.
azure lynx
try it and you'll see. it's easier to see it with 4 coz that's cleanly 2 bits per character
sage crag
wrr
azure lynx
but look at the compression you get (evetually, when you make a long enough input)
$ echo -n "it's shiro's birthday! please wish shiro a happy birthday! happy birthday shiro!" | wc --bytes
80
$ # Now with compression!
$ echo -n "it's shiro's birthday! please wish shiro a happy birthday! happy birthday shiro!" | gzip -cf | wc --bytes
69
$ # nice
sage crag
tutl bableberbing
sage crag
tooth
orchid crest
<a:tutelBlabbering:1138708567222927381>
TOTIS
sage crag
totis
orchid crest
(No image for me)
tender river
sage crag
jagged turtle
azure lynx
coz he looks like a tortoise, not a turtle. no flippers, feet instead.
hard delta
coz he looks like a tortoise, not a turtle. no flippers, feet instead.
so THATS the difference
nobody ever could explain for my entire lifetime (i was passively asking)
rare bramble
Tortoise? Turtle? Doesn't matter, they are all 
s
orchid crest
https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-embed-fail-gif-18136466908038157426
I know
I shall not stop unti I'm giving embed privileges
NO COMPROMISE NO SURRENDER!!
azure lynx
huh... the power just went out like 3 times in a row for like 1 second each time and then went back on and triggered the UPS my computer is plugged into.
hard delta
NO COMPROMISE NO SURRENDER!!
quick condor
silly weird bug now. the agent keeps generating after <end_of_turn> and starts a...
I genuinely don't know why special tokens leaking into chat seems to be such a common problem for people... I only had it happen once and that was when I was moving to a custom api wrapper for Exllamav3. That said I'm using models with a pretty robust tokenizer from 2025 so that might be it
sage crag
frog nog
maiden geyser
NO COMPROMISE NO SURRENDER!!
hard delta
tender river
hard delta
https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-hollow-knight/
i see chay!
i also see tomy 
omg what if neuro isn't a man named tony
... but tomy
maiden geyser
... but tomy
Tommy, it's been too long
tepid plinth
i made a "game" for neuro-sama: https://github.com/dell-optiplex-790/neurotic-general
obsidian mantle
doesnt exist 
tepid plinth
made it public
well it's a "game" in the sense that it uses the neuro-sama game API
obsidian mantle
a little quiz
fickle rain
i also see tomy <:neuroD:1134963217676906606>
True hardcarry
tender river
https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-hollow-knight/
this is very good code in comparison to
faint sandal
code by dell optiplex 790
glass flower
is it just me or is f# really unreadable?
quick condor
I mean from what I gathered that test doesn't really test much other than basic base model knowledge, rag and tool calls
tender river
<:Danki:935942813634412605> is it just me or is f# really unreadable?
any language you dont know is unreadable
opaque sigil
<:Danki:935942813634412605> is it just me or is f# really unreadable?
It is just you 
glass flower
any language you dont know is unreadable <:vedalShrug:1433173412217356389>
normally i can atleast somewhat understand whats going on. regardless of language. but with F# it all just... looks unconformable to write stuff in and read
maiden geyser
<:Danki:935942813634412605> is it just me or is f# really unreadable?
the lion does not consider non-c-like syntax valid
glass flower
it feels like someone took a already existing language. and then just for the fun of it took all the symbol keywords and jumbled them around with random symbols 
glass flower
tho maybe its also just my qwertz layout that makes it look uncomfortible to write in... getting to |> etc is not great to reach
tho i guess technically (){[]} aren't much different.. on qwertz
olive sable
i have descended upon this mortal realm once again
glass flower
i should probably really remap {[]} on my keyboard... i never noticed how cancer it is to reach them
obsidian mantle
qwertz?
glass flower
the german keyboard layout
obsidian mantle
huuh
obsidian mantle
oh i guess makes sense since you have a bunch of non english characters
rough bloom
tho maybe its also just my qwertz layout that makes it look uncomfortible to wri...
are there other keywords for the pipe operator in other languages?
Elixir also uses |>
not having it isn't really an option, you'd get really deep nesting or tons of useless variables
olive sable
pipe operator?
rough bloom
glass flower
most don't use pipe operators
obsidian mantle
what does it do
glass flower
they use -> at most
olive sable
The pipe operator (often |> or |) chains commands or function calls, taking the output of the expression on its left and feeding it as the input (usually the first argument) to the function or command on its right, creating a readable sequence of data transformations. It's common in shell scripting (e.g., ls | grep "file"), functional programming languages like Elixir, and is being added to languages like PHP and JavaScript to improve code clarity by avoiding nested calls and temporary variables.
the more i look at my keyboard layout the more i realize how ass it is to program in it.. how have i been doing it for the past 6 years
rigid snow
pipe operator good
olive sable
<:Danki:935942813634412605> the more i look at my keyboard layout the more i rea...
get a qwerty
it changed my life
rigid snow
i like
olive sable
coming from azerty, life was pain until i got qwerty
obsidian mantle
so its replacement for a(b(c(d(e(x)))))
glass flower
i could technically just switch my keyboard layout i guess and get used to it
don't want to get new keycaps for 5 year old keyboard
opaque sigil
switch to qwerty and never look back
glass flower
atleast in linux it won't be ass to switch between keyboard layouts.. on windows it sometimes just... decides to switch for no reason 
rough bloom
so its replacement for a(b(c(d(e(x)))))
yeah, either that or something like
let e = e()
let d = d(e)
let c = c(d)
let b = b(c)
let a = a(b)
pipe lets me avoid naming things so I like 
glass flower
which keyboard layout should i use...
tender river
another thing i use a lot is function composition
glass flower
there are so many qwerty to choose from
glass flower
but which one
opaque sigil
I use intl us
rough bloom
fickle rain
Mhmhmhmyeees
solid warren
<:vedalMagnify:1343810736048308274> are there other keywords for the pipe operat...
The OOP way is to use the builder pattern + method chaining for similar result
Also C++20 has pipe operator
rough bloom
they use just |
solid warren
Yep
glass flower
i think i'll try out eurkey
tho honestly getting used to the switched positions of y and z is gonna take some time to get used to
faint sandal
solid warren
eurkey is nice
opaque sigil
retraining years and years of muscle memory can take a while yeah, shouldn't be too bad if you type enough though
glass flower
i already learned vim motions.. surely its not gonna be too bad 