programming

[silent cloak]

I put more work into learning coding then I did into HS tbh

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458911901919482000.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=banbnabadog

[silent cloak]

I only started to try again in uni

[potent geyser]

Depends on country. I grow up in China. That was pretty rough. Went to highschool in Canada. It was not bad at all.

[rigid snow]

bold coming from you

[sage crag]

c

[visual pawn]

I still wake up in a cold sweat having to tell myself "wait, I'm an adult, I don't have homework"

[stark needle]

the worst part is you have those random subjects u dont care about like physics or economy or law or whatever like dude i DO NOT care about reading german literature and interpreting it's deep rhetorical meaning

[tender river]

osu

[silent cloak]

Thats why i slacked through alot of them

[tender river]

for nerds

sample size

100%

[stark needle]

if school was 8h math for 5 days every week it would literally perfect

[visual pawn]

hey, sometimes you have parents from china that feel that canadian school isn't enough work so they think they need to replicate the china experience

[olive sable]

you can choose what course you do tho to avoid things you odnt like and do things you do like?

[rigid snow]

[stark needle]

in my case no

[rigid snow]

i have this emote

[sage crag]

me not nerd

me cool

[stark needle]

i can only skip english but thats stupid cause that's an easy max grade and it would lower my average to not have it

[tender river]

<-

[rigid snow]

yeah i did skip english

[visual pawn]

you still have mandatory subjects; I sure didn't want to do organic chemistry but it was a mandatory part of my computing program

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

i think only class i ever skipped was IT

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-im-no-ears-im-all-ears-horse-gif-4308252428337868305

[rigid snow]

teacher not cool lower grade for skip

[stark needle]

we still havent covered the periodic table so i cant wait to learn all of it in august

[sage crag]

thats why im so bad at programming

wrong reply

ignore

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[silent cloak]

One of my IT teachers let my final grade just be finding him a good laptop to buy lmao

[stark needle]

says the one who can code an os from scratch

[silent cloak]

Everyone else still had the test

[olive sable]

anyways, you gotta basically just do the exponents everywhere +1 and then divide by that new number
exactly how you would do a derivative but in reverse.
then you still have that c but i cant remember how you're supposed to get that

[rigid snow]

jolly

[sage crag]

basic osdev trivial compared to actually difficult programming

[tender river]

someone save her

[silent cloak]

Osdev all fun and games until u have to do decent graphics

[olive sable]

chemistry

[sage crag]

graphics easy unless you want to implement vulkan for some godawful reason

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

can u not code something like a website with front and backend

[visual pawn]

chemistry in general is fine once you go through the ass that is organic chemistry

[rigid snow]

cerberus and choking

[visual pawn]

you thought chemistry worked via rules? hahahaha

[sage crag]

webdev is not difficult programming

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[olive sable]

i couldnt really get through that lmao.
chemistry would be so much easier if carbon wasnt such a

[silent cloak]

Web dev is the tip of the programming ice berg

[rigid snow]

you clearly have not seen some frontends

[lusty halo]

I'm really into modding discord and making bots anyone wanna see the atrocities that is my discord theme?

[stark needle]

chabgtp replacement

[sage crag]

term for this in game dev is artificial difficulty

[visual pawn]

is it going to look like someone's personal MMO UI setup?

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

[silent cloak]

Web devs when they have to make a front end without react

[sage crag]

difficult program caused by

programmer think too hard

[olive sable]

konii is a game dev now?

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

no

[rigid snow]

to be clear when i say some i mean like 0.1%

[olive sable]

bwaa

[sage crag]

0.1%

[rigid snow]

your blog not need any js

at all

ye

[stark needle]

konii has been acting progressively more silly and using progressively more gifs and emotes ive noticed lol

[visual pawn]

the LLM is experiencing model collapse

[olive sable]

this has been going on for months shadow

[hearty notch]

gm

[lusty halo]

Oh I cannot pay images ;-;

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[silent cloak]

Users in here have been using less and less proper english

[olive sable]

konii's gif and emote usage being this high has been here for probably half a year

[silent cloak]

Eventually they will communicate through simple sounds

[lusty halo]

I have the background as a cherry blossom tree gif that is raining cherry blossoms

[hearty notch]

Top o' the mornin' to ya laddy

[stark needle]

serve ur blog over a backend rest api

[rigid snow]

kni contagion

[tender river]

proper english for nerd

[stark needle]

let people make their own frontend

[olive sable]

just use webgpu and figure it out guys, its not that hard

[silent cloak]

People are speaking rust now

[stark needle]

imagine universities taught you rust

as your first language

[olive sable]

some probably do tbf

[rigid snow]

we had an assignment to make a wasm module

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

as part of web dev class btw

so pretty cool that

[silent cloak]

Mine doesn't offer rust (based)

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

and ye you could choose rust

and someone did i think

[lusty halo]

If(firstLanguage ==Rust)
{
Cout << "what we doing chat?";
}

[opaque sigil]

I think mine only had a separate course in the faculty for rust

[tender river]

bit shift left cout by

"what we doing chat?" bytes

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-vedal987-nodding-yes-mhm-agree-gif-8627948658984492393

[sage crag]

operator overload

[tender river]

no

[visual pawn]

my university taught Matlab as the first language for a few years

[olive sable]

@viral oasis

[sage crag]

1 + 2 === printf("wrr\n")

[visual pawn]

I had to tutor some of the students that came out of that and it wasn't pretty

[sage crag]

[tender river]

cout == 1 == 2 == 3 == 4

[rigid snow]

cpp std lib devs ruined it for everyone they abused it i would rather not have it at all at this point

[stark needle]

who tf even uses matlab

[silent cloak]

No one

[stark needle]

apart from 3 engineers

[visual pawn]

non-computing engineers

[olive sable]

universities mainly

[sage crag]

overloaded equality operator

[visual pawn]

I still work with engineers who only know matlab

[silent cloak]

I found TeX to be more useful than matlab

For something to learn

[olive sable]

[visual pawn]

"did you assign the value to the variable?"
"Oh, yeah I click the button in the workspace to do that right?"

[sage crag]

can someone buy her more frames

beedol

[obsidian mantle]

it means her vision is on right?

[silent cloak]

Vee doll

[visual pawn]

and also, way more hardware (critical hardware) irl works off of Simulink than you'd think

[olive sable]

i know a guy who knows a girl who knows me, and i have an engine

[sage crag]

you are an idiot

[olive sable]

i know

[sage crag]

ok good

more frames pls

[opaque sigil]

🎞️🎞️🎞️

here

[obsidian mantle]

are you
john unity

[olive sable]

no

[sage crag]

not you

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

toasts should be toasts with butter and jam

[stark needle]

if i was in the university college london it would be so based cause they have the better cs courses there

[sage crag]

why programming

[olive sable]

no. toast with banana

[sage crag]

wrrrrong reply

oo

superoperation

oo

later

[olive sable]

latrer

[stark needle]

wtf i just found out harvard university is NOT in the uk i thought it was in cambridge england

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

no thats cambridge university

shock

[olive sable]

you cant be serious

[sage crag]

do you know about UCL?

[olive sable]

"Université catholique de Louvain"

[stark needle]

ucl = university college london

[olive sable]

iun belgium

[sage crag]

ucl is a university and college in london

its name stands for

university college london

[visual pawn]

well, harvard is here in new england

close enough right?

[sage crag]

you have a new york in america too

[stark needle]

i mean it's also in cambridge

[sage crag]

we have the original york

[visual pawn]

tbf, harvard is all over Boston

like, harvard med school isn't in cambridge

[stark needle]

i didnt know cambridge was usa

[sage crag]

most high profile universities have a lot of campuses

[pseudo lynx]

brother why are we at lvl 46?

[sage crag]

because america have all of the english placenames

original cambridge is in england

[visual pawn]

I often find tourists (asian parents usually) asking me where Harvard is and I have to awkwardly tell them that they're at harvard medical school and not the main harvard campus

[olive sable]

waterloo also got stolen by numerous countries

its a belgian city

[sage crag]

loo means toilet

[visual pawn]

no, waterloo is a canadian university known for its CS program

[olive sable]

it means "wet forest"

i assume you understood the water part

[visual pawn]

and it's somewhat near the original london: London, Ontario, Canada

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

i wanted to write a paper next year and submit it but i found out i have no chance of winning against other students all across switzerland

[olive sable]

jsut cuz you cant win doesnt mean you shouldnt try at all

[opaque sigil]

not with that attitude

[visual pawn]

it's not always english, there's Syracuse, New York

[sage crag]

you should never try anything ever again because you may die

[opaque sigil]

that reminds me i should start working on my own paper

[stark needle]

how am i supposed to beat someone like this

[opaque sigil]

shouldn't be hard, i just need to condense my thesis into a paper

[olive sable]

um

i dont condone beating up woman

[stark needle]

how does a random kid know this

[opaque sigil]

i clock out immediately when i see a title like this

[visual pawn]

hey, impenetrable paper titles is an artform

[stark needle]

or for example these 3 guys

these mfs are deepmind level experts of my own age

[visual pawn]

I've been an author on papers that I feel are way too simple, and then I show a normie and their eyes glaze over and I go "oh, it's the imposter syndrome talking"

ok, controlling a game using EEG and neural networks is actually

relatively easy

[stark needle]

is it? it sounds impossible lmfao

[visual pawn]

you can grab an EEG from OpenBCI or something, under $400

[olive sable]

shadow you were complaining how nobody understands the neural network stuff you like doing, but now its too simple?

[visual pawn]

it includes the open source software that reads the waves and converts to alpha/beta/theta/etc waves

you can train a neural network off of that data and use it as a control interface

[stark needle]

dude the things i do are nothing compared to these child prodigy mfs

[visual pawn]

it even includes a basic control interface in it

but point is, you can pull off an AI EEG game interface in a weekend or two with the right hardware

[olive sable]

i feel like you're putting them on a pedastol for no reason

[visual pawn]

like, it sounds like crazy genius work but most of it is built on the shoulders of other normal-sized people

you're just looking for the little niche to push it forwards, not reinventing the wheel

someone already made the EEG, someone already made the tools to train a neural network, someone already made the video game

[olive sable]

if you spend a year researching osmething then ye you might end up with a title to a paper that sounds insane liek those papers

[stark needle]

or this guy is literally making an asic 8 bit cpu😭 😭

[olive sable]

but i would understand just as litle about those papers as i understand "grpo and loss functions"

[visual pawn]

seriously, don't psyche yourself out reading paper titles

most of the time the actual subject isn't that complicated

[visual pawn]

and some of the most influential papers of all time have completely mundane titles

[stark needle]

frigging elon musk theorist level 18 year olds😭

[visual pawn]

like the paper that introduced Transformer architecture making LLMs feasible was just called "Attention Is All You Need"

[sage crag]

wrr

[olive sable]

ok but like, 8 bit computers ahve been around for ages, there are enough recources out there to do this

[opaque sigil]

you might not believe me but designing a rudimentary cpu is really easy too, most of the complexity comes from other things that would not apply here

it's an asic

designed to do one thing and one thing only

[stark needle]

so are these projects trivial?

[olive sable]

you can see people make cpus on breadboards on youtube

[stark needle]

all of these kids got a 1000 bucks prize

[visual pawn]

not trivial, but also not insane

like, we're not trying to downplay their work and efforts, but what they did are things that seem very doable

[olive sable]

trivial? i mean, most likely that research isn't going to advance science in any meaningful way. but its cool

[visual pawn]

not magic

[sage crag]

making a cpu out of nand gates in sebastian lagues logic simulator is harder

thats an activity that someone might do for fun

making a computer out of redstone is harder

[visual pawn]

these sound kinda on par with an undergrad research project or a master's thesis

they probably wouldn't cut it as a phd thesis

[stark needle]

the name of this paper is funny

[sage crag]

its something many people do for fun

[stark needle]

this deepmind paper used gradient descent to optimize gradient descent

lmfao

[sage crag]

wrr

[stark needle]

ok elon musk kid

[visual pawn]

I will say though, I find papers with a very jokey title tend to not have much substance lol

[sage crag]

rude

[olive sable]

technically even this counts as a cpu im pretty sure

its not too hard to diy

[stark needle]

ok but for a random 18 year old i assume it will like you need to be a basement dweller since you were 14 always doing this the whole time so that now it's trivial

[visual pawn]

hey, you don't even need electricity: https://youtu.be/IxXaizglscw

[sage crag]

all you need is nand gates and wires

[visual pawn]

not necessarily, so our lab takes in high school interns every year, age 16-18

and I often assign them AI projects

[sage crag]

in whatever analogue they may be

[visual pawn]

so by the end of the summer they can rightfully say that they, for example, trained an AI to segment lesions in lung CTs or something

but it's because AI projects of that nature require relatively little programming and it's mostly data processing

but they can claim something that sounds like a lot

[olive sable]

brother i've done advanced hydrodynamics as my paper for secondary school to design efficient boat propellers.
if you spend 10 hours each week on something you will eventually do something cool

[stark needle]

ok but i dont get it how did these "papers" win a science competition when they didnt invent anything new

[olive sable]

cuz its all about the research

[visual pawn]

so science isn't about inventing something new

it's about discovery, you don't need to invent anything at all

or in these cases sometimes just demonstration

[sage crag]

if the competition wasnt about new inventions then simply a refinement is enough

[stark needle]

ok but if i just replicated something and submitted it to NeurIPS or another convention they'd tear the paper apart for not being innovative enough

[sage crag]

it like how you take baking soda volcano to kiddie science fair

same principle just bigger

[visual pawn]

innovation doesn't have to be in what you made

it can be a new angle at something, or just investigating something

you can invent nothing new, design a study to investigate something, conduct the study, publish the findings

and that's more science than someone inventing some new algorithm

[quick condor]

In some ways its also kinda like some of the tests Ive been running on my model, Some papers act as cross validation of a concept from a different direction

[sage crag]

[visual pawn]

hell, there are papers that are literally review papers, they just review other papers

[sage crag]

recursive research paper when

[visual pawn]

also, I don't know about NeurIPS in particular, but conferences are usually a lower bar than journals

[potent geyser]

Throw in a good data set for good measure.

[visual pawn]

so, my first conference paper I ever published was literally "I took a tool that exists in one program and ported it into another open-source program"

I did nothing new at all

I literally copied a tool from one program to another

but it was enough to get published as a conference paper

[stark needle]

i should probably start thinking now on what paper i want to write

i have 9 months of preparation before it starts

[visual pawn]

also, one dirty secret is that a good chunk of the abundance of machine learning papers is because they're easier to do than the typical paper

[stark needle]

the problem is i need to do the paper with someone from my class so theres a chance that i need to do it with a non technical person or someone that has no CS experience that will wanna make a study/paper about something i dont care about

[visual pawn]

you don't have to explain how anything works and you didn't have to invent some new algorithm; you throw data at a model and then go "well, it looks like it's doing something?"

[sage crag]

ml blackbox

[quick condor]

I have no reason to write a paper other than to do so just because it would be funny if I wrote a proper research paper just because... The sad part is most of the things I end up putting a lot of effort into started as "It would be funy if I..."

[visual pawn]

"I tried a thing and maybe it's doing something I dunno" describes literally 90% of the papers at the world's most well-known medical imaging conference

[potent geyser]

I did a topic/sentimental analysis on steam review. I tried a thing and the conclusion is console port bad.

I was on a project based master and my professor tried to publish it as well. Not sure what happened to it lol

[stark needle]

i rly hope there's technical people in my class i will need to snipe them the second classes start

[visual pawn]

go for people who have hobbies

[sage crag]

discord feature idea

[visual pawn]

or uhh, hobbies where they use the skills you want them for

[sage crag]

logical operators for mentions

@(Programmer & Event Pings)

[visual pawn]

like @person and --ok yeah

[stark needle]

i'm 99% confident most students will just chatgpt their entire paper and study

[visual pawn]

@(Programmer XOR Event Pings)

[sage crag]

[visual pawn]

it only pings the person who checks discord first

[sage crag]

would be convenient for categorisation ye

only ping member of both group

[visual pawn]

but for real yeah I can see that being useful

[sage crag]

prevents need for supergroup like "Programming Event Pings"

[visual pawn]

but you could also pull that off by making sub-roles/groups right?

[sage crag]

ye but they have permissions

can cause messy

[potent geyser]

ping only tag

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

why does eliv have level 53 hype train

[visual pawn]

because she asked for one

[trail token]

hype train!! yipe

[visual pawn]

that explain it for you?

[sage crag]

what are you

[trail token]

what on earth is with that unicode

are you a windows user

[sage crag]

all utf-8 character unicode

[trail token]

lmaoo

[rigid snow]

this interaction

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

Gdk-Message: 18:54:21.497: Unable to load arrow from the cursor theme

[sage crag]

glfw

smog frog

[olive sable]

what about glfw?

i fixed it by making a /home/samvm/.icons/default/index.theme but im not really happy about the solution being some random file instead of the config

[sage crag]

do you use home manager?

[olive sable]

i dont think so

[sage crag]

that's a no

[olive sable]

this is for waybar

[sage crag]

wrr

[rigid snow]

keep in mind he said this while using fucking hyprland

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

so maybe he actually does use home manager

[olive sable]

you're talking to the guy that calls every place where you type commands a terminal

[sage crag]

ye its terminal

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

why are there 200 camilas in vc

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

did you find what you were looking for

[olive sable]

yes

[amber fractal]

[stray dragon]

was it worth it.

[olive sable]

idk

im not really into markiplier, but it was funny to see

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-markiplier-punch-attack-fight-gif-23206537

[hard delta]

one of us

[olive sable]

bro is offended im not into markiplier rp

[hard delta]

come vc become camila

maybe camila banana 2026 later

[amber fractal]

-# This server has a no impersination rule

[olive sable]

uh

[olive sable]

who are you?

[hard delta]

oen of us

[amber fractal]

is it a regular who knows

[hard delta]

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-portuguese-gif-3614654559682443105

[sage crag]

por t uguese

[stray dragon]

hi konii

[sage crag]

helo portuagala

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[stray dragon]

what

[sage crag]

sorry i meant

hi t

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-pats-pet-bunny-pats-gif-19861222

[olive sable]

genuinly tho, i can see in the chat history that we've met before but i have no clue who you are

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

I have so many of those dont get me started

[rigid snow]

inappropriate for #baking

let's stop

[sage crag]

upstpadatew

[rigid snow]

zityu

[stray dragon]

oh

[sage crag]

oh the acne guy

[marble surge]

[sage crag]

guys?

thems

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1422994888701776023.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=MiniNod

[rigid snow]

acne guy

[sage crag]

omg by seal

[rigid snow]

empire state

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1457367081174433885.webp?size=48&name=omg_by_seal

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458911901919482000.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=banbnabadog

[amber fractal]

I need to swap devices as I'm lagging

[sage crag]

sory

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/big-snoopa-borzoi-gif-18488820

[obsidian mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458911901919482000.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=banbnabadog

[silent cloak]

Apparently borzois do that alot

[rigid snow]

i have 80 the gris cpu

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-spinning-having-fun-gif-27010231

[karmic sorrel]

Question from someone with no AI programming experience: Would it be possible to implement a LLM (or at least something like a Very Small Language Model) on a 16.16 fixed point vector processor? Or is floating point support a must?

[sage crag]

the grey cpu

ohidontsee

[rigid snow]

80 the grease

cell see us

[silent cloak]

Floating point is kind of needed for most interpretations of LLMs atm

Spiking Neural Networks, less so

[amber fractal]

I think they were asking if one can use fixed point instead

[silent cloak]

Though there are some ANNs designed without floating point for the sake of trying it

[silent cloak]

Then yes

There are some really small models

Mostly as experiments

[rigid snow]

16 bit point 16 bit

[silent cloak]

Search "binary neural networks"

[rigid snow]

that's better than fp16

[silent cloak]

Plenty of papers and videos

[rigid snow]

they said they have a vector processor

[silent cloak]

Ah

[rigid snow]

why binary

[olive sable]

when the vector goes brrr

[rigid snow]

regular nn would work

[silent cloak]

Its the most extreme example

[rigid snow]

if i understand what 16.16 means correctly it's better than fp16 as i said

[silent cloak]

fixed point models are saught after though

in concept they are more efficient and better for mobile

[rigid snow]

saught

[sage crag]

a human can be encoded in as few as two bits

shocking, but true

[amber fractal]

I honestly thought as a glueless invidual that there were too many bits dedicated to above 1. then again stabillity.

[rigid snow]

encode yourself right now

[karmic sorrel]

This would be for use in a video game for a retro console (guess which one), mostly as a novelty.

[sage crag]

human

[rigid snow]

oh right you tv

[karmic sorrel]

Exactly what I'd do with it depends on what's feasible.

[sage crag]

tv can be encoded in as few as tv bits

[silent cloak]

what are u trying to do?

[rigid snow]

wtf retro console nn

[silent cloak]

i mean its a fun project idea

ur biggest challenges will be range management, accumulation, and non-linear operations

[rigid snow]

"vector processor" is giving ps1 generation

or around that

[silent cloak]

but yeah look into integer arithmetic

its similar to completely fixed-point models

[rigid snow]

[silent cloak]

like int8 for weights/activations, int4 for production weights

[amber fractal]

I see the reason vc is packed lvl 69 hype train

[rigid snow]

nice

[silent cloak]

why are there so many camilas

[amber fractal]

that I don't have an answer for

[marble surge]

These emotes are soo cute. Where are they from?
(Also I'd totally buy a phone charm of )

[hollow venture]

seamns a normal amout

[silent cloak]

shes spreading

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

me conjecture that;

for an natural number base "b", a natural number "n" in base b such that the length of its representation in base b is equal to its value, has one trivial solution for any base b and one nontrivial solution for base 2, those being:

b ∈ ℕ n = 1, and
b = 2, n = 2

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[silent cloak]

is the borzoi saying that

[sage crag]

ye

that also

have name

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-side-eye-side-eye-dog-borzoi-edit-borzoi-side-eye-gif-16743409074100601535

[sage crag]

banbnaba dog

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-big-snoopa-long-dog-jumpscare-gif-14550758841235088802

[sage crag]

if you can think of any other nontrivial cases please let me know

[rigid snow]

programming deez nuts

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/sillycat-gif-16450871626103949888

[sage crag]

otherwise i claim 10 million usd as debt from #baking

[olive sable]

please dumb it down

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

me not want to consider non natural bases seems very confusing

how even define non-natural number of digit

[quick condor]

If I were vedal rn I would be attempting to buy a HGX server

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

"Grok is this true?"

[amber fractal]

I don't want to pay 10 million usd

[rigid snow]

why buy them when you can rent

[silent cloak]

na wait till nvidias new line of chips hit the market

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

1 (in any base) <- length is 1, equal to 1
10 (in base 2) <- length is 2, equal to 2

[silent cloak]

supposed to be cheaper is all

[rigid snow]

that's how bases work ye ?

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1421697759383130223.webp?size=48&name=smogfrog

i have no clue

[quick condor]

That reminds me Im suppose to be updating my resume rn as I was approched by a provider to work at a place that does this

[sage crag]

-# lie

[olive sable]

hmm. wouldnt base 0.8 be the same as base 8 with the decimal point moved by 1?

[amber fractal]

I would say maybe I didn't see the article of them relaunching 3060s

[sage crag]

holy dentge

[olive sable]

wait

idk

this shit is stupid

[rigid snow]

i mean "yeah, that's how bases work" and then the question mark implies something along the lines of "you stupih?"

[olive sable]

i guess you cant go lower than 1?

[sage crag]

no i understood that

[amber fractal]

bases is a human construct

[sage crag]

i have no clue

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1421697759383130223.webp?size=48&name=smogfrog

[sage crag]

bases are a human construct like number is a human construct

numbers dont exist

sets exist

sets isomorphic to the set of natural numbers exist

[olive sable]

the world is a social construct

[sage crag]

but natural numbers do not exist

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1425866152424505394.png?size=160&name=ElvynSerius

[rigid snow]

counterpoint: the stick i found on the ground is shaped as the number 1

[sage crag]

nevermind

[olive sable]

nuh-uh

[sage crag]

number 1 exist

[olive sable]

your eyes are jsut telling you that it has that shape, but vision is a social construct based on raytracing

so in reality jensen is the social construct

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

nuerocaret

[rough bloom]

from here/7TV, I don't know who made them
but yes cute

[amber fractal]

Both are very cute I agree

Would buy a phone charm of them both

[rigid snow]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

my crow ayf

[olive sable]

i need to laser burn an enub to my laptop

[rigid snow]

the word is etch btw

[olive sable]

laser burn

[amber fractal]

burning is more funny tho

[rigid snow]

or engrave

[olive sable]

burn

[amber fractal]

I'd also want to burn a bwaa on mine

[olive sable]

i need that too

[amber fractal]

I'll have to do top left and right, already have stickers in the other slots

[rigid snow]

hype train over

[olive sable]

level?

[amber fractal]

killed by streamer

[rigid snow]

72

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

we are #3 peak subs tho

[sage crag]

->

[amber fractal]

I love how the twitch emotes appear in my emoji browser but I'm unable to use them

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458911901919482000.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=banbnabadog

[hard delta]

well that was fun

[amber fractal]

I await being able to use mobile again without lagging

[mighty thorn]

I have weekly talks with my mom about ai stuff because she is very interested in it and today one thing led to another and we are here

[amber fractal]

Neur

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

you did an absolutely horrible job sensoring that

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

@mighty thorn sensor your open tabs too

[mighty thorn]

Ehh it’s fine

[rigid snow]

sensoring sensor

[hard delta]

when is she joining the server

[rigid snow]

[mighty thorn]

Give it a week

[sage crag]

i had code to post but it was too awful and got automodded

i cant send it without altering it which would make it less awful

[rigid snow]

coding so bad discord does not want you to send

worse coding than llm

[sage crag]

neuroD

[rigid snow]

NOT wrrrr

[sage crag]

inp, asm = "", iter("""
ban wad 4 bnaba wad 12 dog wad 8
""".split())

automod = lambda x: int(next(x))
while tok := next(asm, None): inp = inp[-(n := automod(asm)):] + inp[:-n] if tok == "wsr" else inp[:-1] + chr((ord(inp[-1]) - 97 + automod(asm)) % 26 + 97) if tok == "wad" else inp + "a"

print(inp)

fix

muahaha

@real sierra

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1422641181581377757.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=TortureBy1000TinyAttacks

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

automod = lambda x: int(next(x))

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1138690372386701332.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=vedalPuppet

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

remove nesting layer solv problm

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

automod wad 18 zeppelin wad 7 mute wad 8 ban wad 17 mods wad 14

its a program

[real sierra]

wad

[sage crag]

program

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

shiro generated from nothing

[rigid snow]

nothng

[real sierra]

impossible

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458911901919482000.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=banbnabadog

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

my code is impeccable

the isa has three instructions
wsr, wad, and *

wsr: wrapping shift right (moves characters)
wad: wrapping addition (increments last character, modulo 25)
*: appends "a" to the end

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

numeric representation of this program is

probably something like

2, 1(18), 2, 1(7), 2, 1(8), 2, 1(17), 2, 1(14)

in terms of binary, uuh

1001100101000111100101000100110001100101110

this is a valid binary representation of "shiro"

wrr

0111001101101000011010010111001001101111
1001100101000111100101000100110001100101110

how much shorter is the utf-8 representation

om

utf-8 is 40 bits

this stupid isa is

43 bits

less efficient than utf-8 for purely ascii

[hard delta]

shiro 43 bit wide?

[sage crag]

i cannot confirm or deny shiro's encoding

sorry

[azure lynx]

you could just the top bit off the ASCII encoding and get something shorter. and if you're only doing lower case you could just store 5-bits per character for the alphabet characters and have any out of range character actually be a control code to shift to capitals or numbers. (so capitals or numbers actually take an extra 5-bits before you either toggle them on or enable them for one character) then you could make the opcodes two bit long you suddenly get compression when you compile your code.

[tender river]

rrrrw

macrowavii

[rigid snow]

me trying to make sense of ml and crypto trading at the same time

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1425866152424505394.png?size=160&name=ElvynSerius

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1425866152424505394.png?size=160&name=ElvynSerius

[tender river]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1425864339994312804.gif?size=160&name=ElvynNya

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1425864339994312804.gif?size=160&name=ElvynNya

[rigid snow]

spam

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1459293836764512336.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=vedLOL

this emote

serius

[sage crag]

awful

[rigid snow]

pb not approve

no minion

[elfin lotus]

@tender river did you upload the hollow knight integration on github or something similar? I wanna look at the source code to see an example how to use the neuro sdk

[tender river]

it will be open sourced by vedal later but it's in f# so unlikely to help unless you use f#

you can look at plague inc integration, also made by me

[olive sable]

oh you made the hollow knight integration?
thas cool

[tender river]

https://github.com/chayleaf/Nuerax

[dusky jackal]

Guys, I am unironically so excited for something like Razer AI waifu thing. I always wanted this ever since I was a kid, being able to play video games with an AI companion is sick as fuck.

[nocturne olive]

Eh, that thing's definitely not gonna actually play the game with you

[obsidian mantle]

its so big

[tender river]

it was however easy to implement

compared to hollow knight, anyway

[obsidian mantle]

how do unity integrations work

[tender river]

bepinex

[obsidian mantle]

you do some nasty assembler decompied game investigation

[tender river]

not that nasty its just cil easy to decompile

[obsidian mantle]

it gives proper names to stuff?

or you still get "class the_class1" or something

[olive sable]

so, since hollow knight isn't public rn, were you asked by vedal to make that neuro integration?

[obsidian mantle]

oh yeah how do you even contact if its secret

[olive sable]

we know too much
now the neuro assassin drones are gonna get us

[obsidian mantle]

[azure lynx]

hacking it. let me check... have to reinstall it to see how hard it would be.

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-computer-typing-fast-gif-5368357

[olive sable]

chayleaf is vedals alt
have you ever seen vedal and chayleaf in the same room together?

[obsidian mantle]

i think it was through shiro or some other moderator

[olive sable]

[azure lynx]

it's written in C# and i think Unity so it'll be sort of easy

[obsidian mantle]

i forgot what was the problem with skyrim integration i tried to make but mostly i just got confused by all that clang cmake shit and couldnt properly setup the thing for like 2 weeks
then i faced another wall of not being able to get something i need
so to do it i had to go into assembler and i drowned there

i wonder if unity is easier

i already forgot everything i did there i remember i managed to make text based controls

they developed entire reverse engineered giant library to access some existing functions from game and hook new code into it

and i dont know if its my problem of being dumb or its actually too hard

it didnt look impossible at all

[azure lynx]

i use to do reverse engineering for a living. my mouse is resting over the C# debugger tool on this computer just from where i left it. it's probably a little tricky but once you have code inside it you can dump all the important state stuff..
none of the assets looks encrypted or anything so that shouldn't be hard

not actually going to hack it coz it would just distract me from the game but there is a native inputs library you could replace and there's a file (/c/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight_Data/RuntimeInitializeOnLoads.json) with a list of classes to load and which method to call in them, so that's a trivial injection point for getting your own code hooked in.

[obsidian mantle]

i should try again...

i stopped because i thought its too hard

but it couldnt be easy

[obsidian mantle]

but stuff like this makes me doubt if im even capable at all

[opaque sigil]

not with that attitude

[obsidian mantle]

right
worth another try

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[azure lynx]

just ran my agent after a few days of coding... and they have no context history. no sure why it's resetting it for each request. ;/ brain too fried to continue today though.

[nocturne olive]

Someone got hacked

[olive sable]

who?

[viral oasis]

Aaa

[opaque sigil]

you

[olive sable]

what

[olive sable]

i didn't even actually ping you

how did you find this

do you just search for your own discord id on occasion?

there are 13 pages of me getting pinged

310 results

[viral oasis]

It pinged me still

Lol

[olive sable]

what

its not supposed to do that tho?

wait a minute

[viral oasis]

No idea i just saw it on my phone

[olive sable]

@635476518692454420

wait

[obsidian mantle]

it autocompletes...

[olive sable]

@olive sable

[nocturne olive]

I think the ping string does still ping
Even if escaped

[olive sable]

huh

[obsidian mantle]

@olive sable

[olive sable]

thats

interesting

@<635476518692454420>

hmmm

oh im dumb

[amber fractal]

ping me

[nocturne olive]

Someone encountered that with a very unfortunate ping

[obsidian mantle]

how do you do that for existing account

[nocturne olive]

Don't remember which, but someone pinged some big role like that

[olive sable]

@olive sable

this shit is weird

[amber fractal]

yoink user id and place it in the template

I use it to mention people in dms

[olive sable]

when i do \ sometimes it changes to the number in my type bar, sometimes it changes to my username

@amber fractal

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

there are 216 results of iggly being pinged

39 for vituha

[amber fractal]

quarter for the faq (real)

[olive sable]

323 for chay 365 for konii

i guess its kinda acurate to the server ranking

makes sense

[obsidian mantle]

it automatically substitutes it for ping-style-normal-username form when it becomes correct

[amber fractal]

ye, I use it personally. Just weird the raw text also pings

[obsidian mantle]

@amber fractal

[nocturne olive]

I wonder how many times I've been pinged

[obsidian mantle]

2nd screenshot when i added >

automatically replaced for that

oh maybe i can use that / command

[nocturne olive]

How much for me?

[obsidian mantle]

/s d t

tow was it

[olive sable]

226 it seems

[nocturne olive]

Interesting

[obsidian mantle]

okkk lets see

@amber fractal

[olive sable]

joe smelmor pinged superbox recently

[obsidian mantle]

SEE

autoreplaced

[amber fractal]

hopped in another device and somehow this is still not being formatted

sam tf did you do here

[olive sable]

backslash

[amber fractal]

understandable

[olive sable]

formatting? nuh-uh, i cast backslash

[amber fractal]

wait, the formatting doesn't check for length

[obsidian mantle]

does cmake work on windows

[olive sable]

it should

probably

[obsidian mantle]

im pretty sure i have a bunch of compilers but it says "nothing for ninja found" i assume i need to replace ninja with whatever im going to use?

[olive sable]

i think cmake is even preferred over makefile for windows

[obsidian mantle]

i dont even know which ones i have..

[amber fractal]

I have a test I need to do

need to see if I can get an essaying react on a malformed ping

[nocturne olive]

I think that was the NeuroSynth mention in front of PB thing

[olive sable]

what is bro gonna do?

[amber fractal]

@cursive egret

[olive sable]

im not upto date on that

[olive sable]

"you don't have access to this link"

so it does treat is as a user

[amber fractal]

@gentle gazelle 0th user of discord, are you real

[olive sable]

nope

try 1

[amber fractal]

@foggy anvil

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

let me test something elsewhere before I get mods on me for this stupid thing

[nocturne olive]

Basically someone mentioned NeuroSynth in front of PB during the kinda afterparty thing of the VRC concert

[obsidian mantle]

so i have visual studio but cl is not in path

which is supposed to be msvc

and microsoft site says you need it for vcpkg

why is this so hard

[olive sable]

discord user ids are apparently based on a timestamp along with some other bits, so i doubt there are any user ids like this besides maybe internal disocrd stuff

[opaque sigil]

they're snowflakes with a custom epoch if you feel like looking into it

[amber fractal]

snowflakes

[opaque sigil]

one of the only good things that came from twitter

[amber fractal]

Wait a second...

I realized the perfect use for this tech if it works

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

i saw the ai razer thing based on frok again

and its jsut a flat lcd panel again

this shit aint a hologram

my disappointment is immeasurable

[obsidian mantle]

this is hell every time i touch it

now something is going to be incompatible because i need some clang 0.2132131 version which doesnt exist in this universe anymore

i guess if i just do it eventually i will learn how it works

[amber fractal]

I in fact can't use it

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f4WSrds7aE

this is the only type of 3D dispaly i want to buy and this is non-negotiable

honestly i should jsut make one myself. i have the budget, the will to make one, and im able to make the graphics interface myself

maybe later

[olive sable]

holographic optical element (HOE)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_optical_element
i cant take this wiki seriously

[amber fractal]

there is no universe where that it works surely, the discord ductape isn't that bad

[olive sable]

Early development of HOE
Volume and thin HOEs

the person that wrote this knew what they were doing

[amber fractal]

the site is vounteer driven, of course they knew

[olive sable]

fair point

it gets worse

im not sure i can even send this in neurocord

ill post it in dms or so

university of southampton

the way it works is apparently it lets light through while also reflecting light from certain angles via difraction or something

its the stuff they use in cars for those HUDs

you know, like these things

[azure lynx]

it's literally the same thing as they mean when they say "smoke and mirrors" except without the smoke.

[opaque sigil]

if you have a dependency on a super old clang version you probably want to yeet whatever has that dependency

[olive sable]

not mirrors, HOEs

i should probably stop before i get modded

[azure lynx]

that's the smoke part: they're just "bad" mirrors.

and you can do other tricks like just tracking the person's head to give a good approximation on 3d as they walk around the room. only works for one person at a time though.

[olive sable]

this thing from sony apparently has a projector in the bottom, and a curved mirror at the top to reflect the hologram light onto the glass which has a HOE on the inside or soemthing

[stray dragon]

oh that's cool actually

[olive sable]

since the brightness of the hologram is jsut the efficiency of the HOE x the brightness of the projector, this could actually get pretty bright

i want one now

how do i contact sony, i need to order 20

[azure lynx]

but higher efficiency elements would also be more visible

so it could also get very hot

[olive sable]

true

with a mirror at the top and the sides being solid glass, the ventialtion would have to be at the bottom through the projector or something

should work since projector probably already has fans

[azure lynx]

with a traditional HUD you don't usually have any moving parts. i'm assuming the reflector/display surface spins?

[olive sable]

i dont think so

the glass is the part that does the refraction

[azure lynx]

how does it do different view angles?

[azure lynx]

i see. it doesn't. it just projects a 2d image onto the surface.

[olive sable]

ye

but the 2D image will be kinda preproccesed to look correct

fish-eye lens esque

i think at least

A cylindrical transparent screen display. The dimensions are approximately 100 mm x 180 mm, with a maximum luminance of 1,000 cd/m2. It is assumed that it will be used indoors.

so thats 1000 nits

[azure lynx]

it's not just taking a panorama yeah. it'll be distorting it for the reflecting surface

[olive sable]

im assuming that way the pixel density wont be even everywhere

especially since most projectors are 16:9

[azure lynx]

i've seen similar with head tracking used to make a portal effect with monitors

[olive sable]

and not a circle

the part that makes me like this is the lack of head tracking

cuz that way multiple people can see it at the same time

[azure lynx]

but they'll see it distorted. it can only be correct for one person at a time (or 2 if they are 180 degrees apart)

someone who is 6'2" will see it differently to someone who is 5'2"

[olive sable]

no this one should be viewable by multiple people at the same time

[azure lynx]

it's also a very small surface compared to using flat panels.

4"x7" is tiny

[olive sable]

accoding to sony at least https://www.sony.co.jp/en/technology/transparent_display/20240419/

[azure lynx]

for multiple people

according to the people who are trying to sell it, it has these cool features!

[olive sable]

they're not trying to sell it tho

its not for sale, its jsut a tech demo

[azure lynx]

coz it isn't ready for selling coz it sucks

if it was good it would be obvious it was good and they wouldn't need to explain why it's good.

[olive sable]

i think more likely its due to the high price and low usability

[azure lynx]

you can't view 3d video on it from any dfirection: there are too many free parameters: 3-d positional and 3-d visual. the image has to be distorted from some directions.

technically you can view it, but you can't view it undistorted

[olive sable]

thats what the HOE panels are for tho
they account for the stereoscopy to make it good form all angles

otherwise it would basicly be the same as these things that you put on your phone

Following the announcement at SIGGRAPH, we received comments from both inside and outside the company on people’s expectations for transparent screen displays to be used as hardware for displaying characters. To be precise, we anticipate that if this technology is used to display characters for AI speakers, it will make the AI more personable, which may well lead to the establishment of new relations between humans and the digital world as well as humans and devices.

okay this basicly confirms it, sony is developing AI waifus too

imagine PS6 has a optional add-on where it uses the ps6 hardware to render the AI while you're not using the console

that would be cool

[azure lynx]

imagine it spewed gold bars when you turned it on.

so would that.

[olive sable]

you could probably mod it to do that

since it uses a projector its most likely gonna use hdmi internally

[azure lynx]

remember: everyone got a flying car and jetpack on the 1st of january 2001. the future is always exactly how it was predicted.

[hearty notch]

I remember.

[olive sable]

damn, i missed that

born too late smh

[azure lynx]

i think the better tech solution would be to track the [likely single] person around the room and use them as the basis for view angle. if there are multiple people, lock the agent to a 2-d plane on the surface of the monitor and use the average height of the viewers to keep things reasonable.
it's easier and would be just as immersive , especially with multiple monitors.

just need a couple or more cameras.

[white sun]

3D neuro tech idea
motion vision: convert player's motion to text description for the LLM to enable understanding of actions of others (Motion GPT, uses VAE, pretty fast)

In controlled environment just extract armature data
in vrchat (deranged take stay with me), assuming no direct memory intervention (cheats) or image2pose methods: create custom world with an Udon script that reads each connected player's bone positions with VRCPlayerApi.GetBonePosition, encode skeletal data as tsv and then encode it as series of QR-Codes displayed on some surface on the spawn with virtual camera on host pc pointed at those qr codes reading the data

[azure lynx]

i think tracking motion is a difficult problem for LLMs and really needs a middle layer which can look at multiple frames of motion capture data and determine what is happening from that. and that's a hard problem coz you can't just throw lots of text at it: you need to process and label video data which is expensive.

[olive sable]

well, i think the tech form sony looks really good

so id jsut use that

[azure lynx]

is it for sale? you'll have to wait if it's not. and it's tiny: a 4" x 7" display is enough for someone up close to it. it would not be suitable for interacting with from multiple locations and requires you have that tiny expensive piece of research. the flat panel idea needs a monitor and some video cameras to track the user's location. (You might even have enough cameras set up if you regularly do video calls.)

[olive sable]

i mean, 100mm x 180mm is pretty big imo

[azure lynx]

oh, i'm sure it's average.

like phone sized

big phone.

but not monitor

[olive sable]

phone sized maybe if we're talking galaxy fold

[azure lynx]

where would you put it in your room? remember, you're paying for 360 degrees.

[sick owl]

So I've been looking into that modular tron 1 robot

Ngl, I don't really see the point of this bipedal form

It lacks the stability of a dog or delivery bot and the versatility of a humanoid

Ah, got my ansewr from google images

[olive sable]

my room? nah this would be going in the living room

[azure lynx]

you'd have to walk around it and it'd need to be on a pedistal of some sort or you're blocking most of the viewing angle.

and it's tiny remember

like a vase on a stand in the middle of the room

[sick owl]

Personally if I'm getting a 360 degree assistant it'll be one of these little guys

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0056/7689/2250/files/stackchan.gif?v=1688725308

Way more tangible and cool than a waifu hologram gimmick imo

[olive sable]

here seems appropriate

[azure lynx]

even a glados replica bolted to a TV mount on the wall would be cooler.

[olive sable]

the window between kitchen and living room

for an ai helping in the kitchen too or whatever seems appropriate

[azure lynx]

seems a little small to be helpful.

[olive sable]

i odnt actually want something that's too imposing

[azure lynx]

why not "nothing"? that's not imposing and it has zero cost

[olive sable]

it doesnt need to be a centerpiece

[olive sable]

thats not the point tho

[sick owl]

Oh okay its only 20k for the edu version with an open dev platform

Not bad tbh

[azure lynx]

personally, i think that precise display would suck because it's too small and would require extra hardware to make it display like you think it would.

[olive sable]

it wouldnt tho

[azure lynx]

that's because you think it would display "like you think it would"

[olive sable]

the whole point of HOE panels is that they are wavelength and angle of attack dependent on how they reflect light

[azure lynx]

i think you also don't seem to appreciate how small it is.

[olive sable]

since its prohjector based you could easily scale it up

the only issues would be getting a bigger HOE cylinder panel and mirror

[azure lynx]

you obviously should go work for Sony.

[olive sable]

you gotta be ragebaiting

[azure lynx]

you're right. that was sarcasm. I was saying "oh, so you think you are smarter than the people who got paid to make this and they just needed to use bigger parts?"
there is a reason the proof of concept was the size it was: they couldn't make it bigger at a reasonable cost. a larger one would be much more impressive. but they couldn't pull it off and settled for this.
it's probably technically amazing. but it's not useful yet.

also if it's from CES, most of those products die before they see consumer release.

[olive sable]

its not form CES

according to sony they are able to make it bigger

but they're still limited by getting the speed of the HOE right

and jsut like tvs and silicon chips, getting bigger HOE panels without defects costs exponentially more with size

[azure lynx]

so they they can make it bigger but it's going to need better hardware that cost a lot more which makes them not feasible right now... huh... where did someone say that about it?

oh yeah. me. since the beginning.

[olive sable]

theres a difference with "they couldnt pull it off" and "they didnt due to costs"

[azure lynx]

We have developed a novel 360-degree transparent light field display with 120 viewpoints for fully volumetric 3D video experience. It was achieved by a rotating cylindrical transparent highly-directional holographic screen and a high-frame-rate projector.

also it has a rotating cylinder like i said it probably does.

[azure lynx]

No there isn't. If it costs too much you can't do it.
I hope you didn't just find that out.

it wasn't like "i was saving the money it would cost for something nice and decided not to." it was "it was too expensive and we couldn't get funding for it"

also, this is 2 years old... where is the tech now? most tech which is being advanced has updated releases

[olive sable]

i never denied that tho

[olive sable]

i guess you meant this

with reflector/display i thought you meant the projector or the mirror

[azure lynx]

You needed something to account for the extra dimension that you were missing from the projection, which is why I was claiming the image must be distorted: without the rotating surface you can't do proper 3d.
but it's even less impressive now that it's limited by the rotation speed of the surface; either heat or noise will limit the max refresh rate. and larger screens will need heavier mounting and larger motors, with even higher tip speeds.
that's probably a major limitation on size there.

[olive sable]

isnt that true for any screen tho "larger screens will be heavier"

i can see the point about heat or noise

ands till the size is fine for me

[azure lynx]

you can't spin heavier things faster as easily as you can just make them heavier.

[sick owl]

Damn unitree was letting people fight their bots on the CES showfloor this year

Reminds me of coach freds trainer bot in cyberpunk

[silent cloak]

Neuro should enter

[sick owl]

It just looks like people beating the shit out of children ngl

[azure lynx]

is that where that meme gif (with the robot doing the same thing as the person on delay kicking a guy and both of them end up collapsed over on the ground) comes from?

[silent cloak]

Im already hooked

[sick owl]

Man pogs at small child getting its face punched in

[olive sable]

ye i guess, in terms of width with 2*pi*r it would add up quickly in the widht direction

[azure lynx]

it's more the pi r^2 part

[olive sable]

in the height direction there should be less cost tho

[olive sable]

thats for volume tho?

[azure lynx]

pi * r^2 * height

[silent cloak]

Neuro would

[olive sable]

only the edge at the glass needs to have a layer of HOE panels, you dont need to square the r since the center is hollow

[azure lynx]

that's volume, but really even if it was only increasing with r, you're also spinning it which you don't need to do with a normal display. that makes it harder and requires larger motors (which would not be needed using other techniques) and more mechanical support (also not needed as much coz you're not moving normally).

you'd have to make it really beefy. and the speed the thing is moving at quickly becomes unsafe to have in a house.

[obsidian mantle]

This is so cool

[azure lynx]

effective tip speed scales with radius

[olive sable]

ye

the thickness of the HOE layer stays the same for larger sizes so its not volume but area that is cales by. it would still be too fast to stabely and safely have in a house at a certain point ye

[azure lynx]

#programming message
was referring to this.

[olive sable]

but still, i myself am fine with the dispaly being only 180mm

[azure lynx]

maybe you could ask Sony for one? They don't appear to be doing anything with it. ;]

[obsidian mantle]

Are you discussing that razor ai jar

[olive sable]

no

that one was stupid

but sony has one that isnt jsut a flat lcd panel

[olive sable]

.

[obsidian mantle]

Oh wait that was flat??

[azure lynx]

they've got a flat panel one too then.

[olive sable]

its not flat from sony

[azure lynx]

https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/spatial-reality-displays/3d-professional-images

[olive sable]

its a cylinder

oh that

thats an entirely different product

those are actually for sale tho

i think they're like 3K