programming

[trim valve]

mmm

trait soup

[opaque sigil]

shortest rust type

[warped narwhal]

+ 'static

[trim valve]

the joys of async

[sick owl]

Apparently the razer one actually does, and unlike the code27 its actually holographic

I'm not really interested in either though, maybe if they were cheap it would be cool to have a holographic AI on the desk but right now their target demographic seems to be lonely desperate people willing to pay hundreds to stave off the depression

Which is kinda predatory imo

[trim valve]

isn't that just most ai companion things

[sick owl]

True, I'm not implemented in other "AI companion" stuff either

But this one could be a neat smart home doodad if you get a non anthropormophic avatar, were it not hundreds of pounds

As it stands it is just a predatory product for desperate people but I think there is a future for it if they bring the price down

[trim valve]

you know its bad when you need to open a text editor to figure out where your types don't match

om

[opaque sigil]

async rust

[trim valve]

tbf

the boatload of types isn't async rust's fault

also unrelated but I love this pattern so much

of just mpsc::Sender<(Request, oneshot::Receiver<Response>)>

there's probably a better way but meh

[tender river]

i hate it but thats the way to do message passing oop in rust yes

bad ergonomics

theres probably a way to abstract it away though

last time i tried writing async derive macros i realized its just

not a good idea

theres so many send/sync combinations to consider

[trim valve]

only thing I dislike is it forces two new error handling types to be introduced

[tender river]

you're pretty much reifying function calls this way

but i hate how verbose it is

it should just be function calls

[trim valve]

true but

I need to talk to a task

like theoretically I could probably do this with a lock instead but

lock allergy

[quick condor]

I mean this can be done and is done to some extent in systems like what I'm working on and what has been done with neuro however speed is the main limiting factor. As for the second half I'm confused

[tender river]

na i dont have problems with the way it works

i just have problems with the way the language works

[trim valve]

very fair

[quick condor]

Me and lua

[trim valve]

I'm overdue for learning a new language

options are basically gonna be:

• c++ (I already can write this at a basic level, just not confidently)
• Elixir (I need to find a project to do)
• Java (something about wanting a job)

[tender river]

elixir is exactly the language that does message passing well

[trim valve]

I should rewrite pxls in elixir instead

surely that would go well

[tender river]

elixir is pretty slow its just resilient and has free scalability (at the price of requiring larger scale for same performance)

[trim valve]

yee

[meager cloud]

@quick condor The problem I see is in the overcomplication of commands between 2 AIs in the so-called same body. In humans, we get a signal (itch/hand), the hand confirms it and the hand subconsciously moves and performs the action without additional thought processes. Except for changing the status of the previous signal.

[quick condor]

Async task completion

[nocturne olive]

I don't think LLMs work async

They're quite serial

[flint dome]

chat i gotta ask this question
i want to get a paid internship over the summer, but i dont know what kind of skills i should get better at to land one. do you guys have any tips on one? i know im still in first year, but i'd like to make some money so my parents dont have to pay for my shit

(not exactly programming related, but close)

[meager cloud]

The human body has asynchronous functions, such as breathing, heartbeat, vision, hearing, touch. Almost all senses are asynchronous to the point where the head (the person) recognizes them as necessary for performing an action, where synchronization (focusing on the action) occurs.

[rough bloom]

ye Elixir fun
but performance
can't really use NIFs either because they're too annoying to write, even with helpers for better ergonomics like rustler

you can use them for certain tasks but having half your application in Elixir and the other half in an NIF sounds like nightmare

[flint dome]

did some thinking myself, no need to answer that anymore if anyone reads this

[karmic blade]

Imagine Neuro controlling humanoid robot.

[maiden geyser]

holy robotslop

[quick condor]

Right, emotional handling thinking and memory recal/storage are all semi async in my build

[meager cloud]

👍

[hard delta]

hard-working japanese robotics engineers watching 20-30 years of their hard work fall into the "roboslop" bucket just because a few cryptobros invested too hard into openai

[abstract bronze]

The wheels look like a ballsack

[white sun]

truly a visionary #general-network message

[meager cloud]

In a virtual system like Nero's, it would be no problem to change the activation timers. Otherwise, what defines the time and number of operations? The timers in the human body are the heartbeats of the heart, which dictate the maximum frequency of electrical impulses of the spinal nervous system. The brain has a higher frequency of impulses but must convert them in the spine to the appropriate frequency otherwise muscle spasms and lost communication occur. The bigger question is whether Nero has a stereoscopic view of the environment to recognize distance, (depth of vision). because I think it relies on X,Y,Z coordinates in virtual space to recognize the position of objects.

[visual pawn]

My lab recruits paid interns every year ranging from high schoolers to grad students. One of the bigger things is reaching out early; later applications can come across as being desperate. And if you are talking about academia then you can look up prior lab members to see if they do recruit undergrads

We also prize students with at least some basic programming skills, even basic Python is enough

A lot of students need to break out of the idea that they're doing an assignment for grades though. I imagine this applies to all sorts of internships and not just academia

[visual pawn]

You don't need depth sensing via stereoscopic view or depth sensor, even if that does help. You can work on a frame by frame basis where you move towards objects until you hit some metric for it counting as next to you. Or you can estimate depth from monoscopic vision

[hard delta]

back in the day i did a job at a company that did all kinds of hosting, monitoring, and any level of support (basic helpdesk through consulting to outsourcing expert system engineers for big overhauls). i was just on the service desk, often doing night shifts.
the interview was 25% technical/checking if i'm knowledgeable enough for the job, and 75% misc chitchat about the best food places in my hometown (a holiday town), hobbies, etc. basically it was a vibe check, making sure i'm not some anxious weirdo. they also really liked the fact that i didn't just come there for a short summer internship but planned to work a shift or two even during the semester (i ended up staying all the way till graduating a year and a half later)

that doesn't exactly pinpoint any skills you can train i suppose, but it felt like being a functioning human who can focus on the job generally meant more than any specific skill

[meager cloud]

However, in a system like Nero's, there is no feedback on the object colliders, otherwise it would not pass through walls, floors or objects, and it would also recognize the floor as an object. You can use systems like the ones you mentioned, but it does not have a gyroscope for positional recognition of its body state. Humans have even two gyroscope senses, without them we cannot even recognize where we are moving, without a direct view of the destination. I have never heard of an astronaut without one eye in space...

[visual pawn]

advice on specific skills probably depends on where they want an internship at

and whether at a company, lab, university, etc.

[visual pawn]

I'd think you wouldn't want to give Neuro any direct access to any kind of system that would need a gyroscope

I'd only trust the LLM with the decision to move to an object, not how to balance themselves or how to get there

[flint dome]

hi guys we got a thread in projects for this one too lol

[visual pawn]

I just looked at the context now, this is about trying to integrate multiple movement models?

[flint dome]

#1337733692709146674

[visual pawn]

oh sorry I just noticed this lol

[flint dome]

no, no thank you for the advice anyways

[meager cloud]

Yes, balancing the model is very important. Just like the Segway has a built-in chip to detect the inclination in connection with the acceleration of the vehicle so that the person is upright on the vehicle. Because Nero needs to know how much to lift her leg, depending on the forward inclination of the body.

[quick condor]

This falls into a category I like to call "LLM overhype" in a stack like Neuro only a fraction of the stack is actually a result of the LLM decisions. Most of the time problems like these don't need an llm to be the solution but people try to twist it into being a problem that must be solved by an llm.

[visual pawn]

I was gonna say, does this need to be Neuro the LLM's job?

[flint dome]

are we talking about robot neuro

or am i wrong

[visual pawn]

something more specific

[flint dome]

good, because then my plug wasnt incorrect

[visual pawn]

I kinda interpret that thread as someone's individual robot neuro project though

it feels weird to go in there and start yapping about a generic thing

[flint dome]

we have three dudes trying to make one in this server and could appreciate more help

its not an individual project but a group one now

im the guy doing the hardware stuff like power electronics, pid control, wiring stm32s to motor drivers to run the bldcs

[quick condor]

On an interesting tangent. When I asked my project what it considered to be what made it "itself" it didn't see the LLM as being "it" whatsoever. It saw it's memory DB as what made it it

[flint dome]

another guy has a transformer handling exactly the sort of issues you guys describe

@slender harness hi sim can you help me out in recruiting these nice fellas to our cause, i do not have so much info on AI yet as i have not studied the math for it properly

[visual pawn]

is there a design document or plan yet?

I'm a little hesitant to recommend "throw people at it" as something that actually helps

[flint dome]

i did write my plan on what i will have to learn and then build, the others have jobs so they get less time to do it

sim is building a sort of curiosity rover type stuff to write our code on and test before building an actual humanoid

[flint dome]

(im still in first year undergrad, so i have to essentially speedrun a masters in robotics in an year to get there, but eh who cares)

[sage crag]

wrr

[visual pawn]

frankly, personally speaking I think building a humanoid from scratch is a recipe for disaster

[quick condor]

True

[visual pawn]

and it'd be much better served getting an "off-the-shelf" open source plan

[meager cloud]

I apologize for my thoughts if they are inappropriate. I wanted to express my perspective on the situation I observed.

[visual pawn]

and then integrating Neuro with that first

[flint dome]

normally i would agree but we are stealing some things from other places too like the open source berkley robotics humanoid

[visual pawn]

yeah, but I'm mostly commenting on the initial post

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/chatgpt-ai-gpt-ask-thinking-gif-17900194303856750041

[visual pawn]

about not having robotics experience and wanting to build a humanoid at human-scale

if the plan has changed, updating the initial post would help I think

[flint dome]

true

[visual pawn]

recreating the berkley robotics humanoid is feasible though

if the funds are gonna come from somewhere

[flint dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JoxgdLsh5g

this guy built it from scratch with a kinect? as his camera, how bad can ours be with three people

[visual pawn]

it's like 5k to 15k if I remember right

that robot isn't a humanoid though

at least not the locomotion

[flint dome]

true, but atleast we have years of work by others to start us on

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[visual pawn]

just saying, the decision over whether to have legged locomotion is the difference between a hobby project and cutting edge robotics

[sage crag]

not if you give it four legs

[visual pawn]

bipedal legged locomotion lol

[sage crag]

i think just "bipedal" should be fine since it means "two-footed"

[visual pawn]

maybe there are feet but no legs

[sage crag]

hm

[visual pawn]

a bipedal shuffler

[sage crag]

wrrr

[slender harness]

ohai
Lemme see, robot stuff?

[flint dome]

yes

[flint dome]

these fellas have questions, but i dont have answers, and they could maybe help

im just the electronics guy

[visual pawn]

well, it looks like it was a more general discussion over integrating an LLM with a robot

[slender harness]

Yea I agree

There was a lot about looking into pre-designed robots for a while, but no one really had a spare 2k-5k$ or 10k$ to spend on that. I think there was a 5000$ cheap berkeley robot, but then I think the BLDCs for it might've gone up in price in some places

[visual pawn]

I was briefly looking it up and it looks like a miniature bipedal robot without arms would be around $10k, yeah

miniature as in half scale, not tiny

[slender harness]

yea

[visual pawn]

but a wheeled platform with arms might be more doable

there are plenty of arm robots one can build for a couple hundred at cheapest

at smaller scale but, an arm at least

[slender harness]

I'm making a robot arm right now... the wiring is a lot more than I thought it would be

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444538048791711875/1458623798755463208/20260107_174858.jpg?ex=6960f985&is=695fa805&hm=1cab8e6770e0237e6770c2ab3f689996c5f992187cfe5bb3cb24670830d858e2

[visual pawn]

I've been building a SO-ARM100 for my own potential neuro project

[slender harness]

At least 2x more motors on that one than usual arms, but still

[visual pawn]

6dof?

[slender harness]

8dof I believe, if you include the gripper
The small motors aren't on the upper part of the arm yet

[visual pawn]

ah, so a fully articulated wrist

[slender harness]

yep

[rigid snow]

100 essays

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what do yo umean. new

[trim valve]

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

new

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

who deleted

neuroPogHD

@silent anvil

get here

[tender river]

it

promotion campaign

[sage crag]

NeuroPogHD

NeurorbPog4K

[cosmic sphinx]

unfortunately the whole education system is built on getting grades, even in university
its a system designed to control and motivate students to attempt to learn and complete given tasks, but in the end it barely scrapes the depth of the actual work field
theres an insane gap between what people are working on in the real industry and what is being taught in school/college/uni
and the only way for us to learn is to actually get an interest in the field and start working on our own projects in whatever free time we have inbetween all the assignments
this is one of main reasons why people are hesitant to start working (or even getting an internship), and why recruiters practically dont hire any freshmen without experience

like, you are supposed and expected to get internships to actually get some experience atleast last year of uni, but you dont have the time to do so if you want to keep high grades in uni (because you would be skipping classes and wont have time to finish your assignments)

the job industry keeps changing, but the education system refuses to adapt

[visual pawn]

you won't see me arguing with that, the most useful courses in uni I've ever done were project-focused courses

but I've also met and TAed students that were the polar opposite

[gentle haven]

Bad for future programmers like me😔

[visual pawn]

but the first thing I try to teach our student interns is that when we ask them to do something, it's because we haven't done it before and may not even know how

we can give advice and help, but the nature of research is that they need to, like, actually figure it out

and that we'd rather see them try things and fail (even if it's so we know what doesn't work) and ask for help than to just be like

being terrified of being "graded" wrong

I'll say that some of the higher schoolers we've had were better than some phd students (and postdocs frankly)

and it was mostly correlated with how self-motivated they were with their own projects

it's usually what I look for when interviewing prospective interns

[azure lynx]

You have years of work to catch up on, you mean.

All that work also involved understanding the issues they ran into and paths they didn't take.

[visual pawn]

I once worked with a postdoc who claimed they were a robotics and deep learning expert, and the guy would knock on my office every hour with questions on the level of "how do I make a loop in python"

[potent geyser]

In recent year?

[visual pawn]

this would've been just before covid

[cosmic sphinx]

lol?

people love faking experience these days

[visual pawn]

like I just immediately told my boss that the guy clearly lied

[cosmic sphinx]

because it works

if you dont fake it, you dont make it
thats the rule these days with how hiring is done

[visual pawn]

but getting rid of a postdoc in academia can be a bit trickier than firing someone normally so he lasted a month or two

[potent geyser]

That's crazy, I think we fired a guy last year. He did ok during the intern program and got a job offer afterward. Turns out, he GPTed everything, and don't even know what he wrote.

[hard delta]

this is especially funny and sad at the same time

[visual pawn]

wait, no I'm wrong, this was not before covid, it was right after

because this was when ChatGPT just got announced

I told the guy to stop bothering me and to ask ChatGPT instead for questions like he was asking

[hard delta]

i remember writing a bunch of tests or exams at uni, and solving entire math problems in my head because i didn't want my failed / wrong direction kinda calculations let the teacher in on how clueless i am (as i haven't prepared)

[visual pawn]

yeah, at some point you gotta realize that they're not just constantly grading you

and it's about what you try and can do and not how perfectly you did it all

[hard delta]

this is even more annoying because it only really works in a flat field

you're not the boss of me, i'm not the boss of you, nobody gets to tell me if i'm doing it right or wrong, therefore my attempt is always valid

that's what it takes for people to just go and try it this way that way etc

[opaque sigil]

i wish i could do this purely to save myself the effort of having to note down everything in detail but that would be insta 0 points

[visual pawn]

hmm, I think it just requires a boss that won't jump on you for that

[hard delta]

but intern is more like "you're just learning the ropes kiddo listen to literally anyone else cause they know their shit better"

[hard delta]

oh i did write it down in the end, i just made sure to avoid going the wrong direction because it would make it too obvious that i don't have a clue

[potent geyser]

Academy gamify a lot of things. When I did my master, I realized doing research is just different with no track and guard rail. And I hated it.

[visual pawn]

this is more of a pet peeve with international students, but students who always answer "do you understand?" with "yes" when they didn't understand a thing are an issue too

[hard delta]

most students don't even think about that i think, they just write down dumb blunder 1, cross it out, write down dumb blunder 2, cross it out, write down correct third attempt, hand it in and never, ever think "yeah my blunders are right there, visible under the crossout"

[visual pawn]

funny, it was the other way around for me

the lack of track and guard rail is what led me into it

[hard delta]

and the thing is it usually doesn't matter either

but being aware of all this makes it possible to hide doing jack shit that would be unacceptable otherwise

[opaque sigil]

me when i mess up my handwritten c++ function signature and get to redo it

[hard delta]

the longest streak i spent doing NOTHING at work was like

[visual pawn]

tbh, I can't imagine grading a student and seeing crossed out blunders affecting my decision at all

[hard delta]

almost two weeks

nobody ever found out that i did nothing for two weeks

[visual pawn]

only two weeks?

[hard delta]

it was a hard week to catch up and some sweaty daily meeting to bullshit progress and obstacles that never happened

[hard delta]

that's a whole sprint my dude

[potent geyser]

Back then, I was rushing toward the degree. I picked a sentimental analysis related topic.

[visual pawn]

my boss pretty much accepts that when he gives me a month to do something that I'll spend 3 weeks on nothing and then go hardcore for a week

[hard delta]

kek

well my boss doesn't know what we do

but the team does

[visual pawn]

his attitude is basically just I don't care as long as the things get done

[hard delta]

kinda weird to start every morning with "i did nothing yesterday. i will do nothing this week" while your team is working hard to not miss deadlines

surely wouldn't get you bad reviews and an eventual firing

[visual pawn]

that's where you pull out the "I spent this week brainstorming the software architecture"

[obsidian mantle]

i do that

"im thinking"

[visual pawn]

it's not even wrong

necessarily

[hard delta]

(too bad that shit has been done and gone like 3 years ago)

[potent geyser]

It feels like a work culture thing.

[hard delta]

(not exactly a good line for juniors either heh)

[obsidian mantle]

i actually think but yeah could do more.. its just, it is not necessary to do more

the only problem is time wasted in the office, but i asked for transfering to working from home

[visual pawn]

I pretty much only go when needed rather than it being an official work from home arrangement

[potent geyser]

At least, current I can go to the office leave around noon. (2 days/week mandate and will change to 3 days/week around May)

[visual pawn]

granted, go when needed can mean 7 am or midnight

[obsidian mantle]

i want to make a robot arm too
is 3d printer absolutely necessary for that

[visual pawn]

you can order the parts 3rd party

either 3rd party printing service or sometimes some popular open source models have pre-made parts being sold

[potent geyser]

Get a Bambu Lab A1

[visual pawn]

yeah I just got an A1

it's the cheapest you can go while it also being pretty much entirely "it just works"

the Ender 3 is cheaper, but you'll need to tinker

[obsidian mantle]

are you planning to install some ai control into the arm

[visual pawn]

me? no, I'll make an actual project thread once I have the time but

the idea is to mimic a surgical robot arm and give neuro control over it

but any kind of control between Neuro and the arm doesn't need to be AI

and if not neuro, then any LLM

[obsidian mantle]

but what if you want it to pick up something for example

doesnt it need to involve ai

[visual pawn]

that's the thing, there is no picking up involved

most procedures are about getting a probe or catheter to the right spot

to drain, burn, or freeze something

getting samples would be done with something like a biopsy needle with a grabber mechanism

that isn't robot controlled

[potent geyser]

robotic hand + camera + control. It is just an API for LLM to interface with.

[visual pawn]

it's like a needle with a gun that shoots out to grab tissue

there are robots with pincers/grabbers but

I think those may be a bit beyond a Neuro-like LLM

also most of those robots are not autonomous but rather teleoperated

[obsidian mantle]

it would be crazy to give her full control like "move this motor to pos X that motor to Y" she wont be able to work like that i think

[visual pawn]

no she won't

well, you can but I don't think it'd work out well

I'll lay it out in my project thread later but I have a bit of a conundrum over how much control to give

[obsidian mantle]

but if you make another ai/just bot to do the low level control and leave neuro with "go stab that object"

then it should work

[potent geyser]

It is tho? I think if adding a bit object tracking feature and turn pincers/grab into a function call. I think it will achieve a semi realistic interaction

[visual pawn]

because you can go so far to the point that the LLM is basically making no decisions

[obsidian mantle]

just like humans dont think when they move limbs

[visual pawn]

it is a thing but you need a more specialized model generally

[obsidian mantle]

i mean dont think like "move arm 90* to the left"

[visual pawn]

and so much of the interaction will be the function rather than the LLM

which I mean, is good if I was making this to like, actually do surgery

but it'd be rather boring

it'd look like this: https://hub.jhu.edu/2025/07/09/robot-performs-first-realistic-surgery-without-human-help/

for getting a language model to do it properly

[potent geyser]

Boring for sure, but I think it is at least manageable. At least, each part of the problem can be isolated.

[visual pawn]

https://h-surgical-robot-transformer.github.io/

[sage crag]

wrrrr

[hard delta]

wrrrr

[potent geyser]

wrrrr

[visual pawn]

https://h-surgical-robot-transformer.github.io/resources/imgs/srt_h/architecture_pic.png

so a vision-language model to look at the overall context and give instructions and a lower-level model (CNN I think) to convert to actual robot actions

[sick owl]

https://www.ai21.com/blog/introducing-jamba2/

Interesting

This might be the Jamba that pulls it off

[potent geyser]

For surgical operation, indeed. But for general robotic arm, I guess it might share some similarity with self driving car

[visual pawn]

yeah, it's a pretty different situation

with medical use cases, you really, really want to lock things down too

[potent geyser]

Just throw the data on the table, and let user figure out

[visual pawn]

you don't really want your medical robot to have "self-expression" lol

[potent geyser]

for sure

[sick owl]

Comes with a 3b "micro" model, 399B model and a 52B 12B active "mini" model

[visual pawn]

"mini"

[maiden geyser]

swin xd

[potent geyser]

I am not familiar with LLM, but I wonder is it possible to have a small LLM trained based on dictionary or something.

And then, attach context to the model that way LLM only have access to most relevant data.

[rigid snow]

fuck i forgot i was supposed to make a trading nn

so i can give away all the money i give it

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-im-late-gotta-go-gif-14594047

hi

[opaque sigil]

you're 7 minutes early

[olive sable]

i know

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1320504225331155035/modcheck.gif

wrr

mods

incorrect timezone

[rigid snow]

why it so small

discord add wide emote support

[olive sable]

you'r ethe one with the incorrect timezone
toast and i are both CEST

no wait

[sage crag]

they have it it called

two emote

[rigid snow]

desync

[opaque sigil]

CET smh

[olive sable]

CEWT?
what the fuck is winter time called?

[rigid snow]

also 3 in this case

[opaque sigil]

there is no winter time

there's normal and summer time

[rigid snow]

usually the winter" time is standard

ye

[olive sable]

whaty

you're telling me this shit getting dark at 5pm is what they treat as the standart?

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

anyways

im a time traveller form 7 min into the future

[rigid snow]

4

[olive sable]

thats not how time travel works

[rigid snow]

3

2

[olive sable]

the time im spending explaining this does not mean i travlled back in time less

[rigid snow]

1

[olive sable]

the prophecy has spoken. it is time.

[sage crag]

wrr

[faint sandal]

https://github.com/rramiachraf/dumb

alternative frontend for genius is dumb

[rigid snow]

genius as in rapgenius

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458911901919482000.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=banbnabadog

[rigid snow]

yeah it is

[sage crag]

can i just say avif is so much better than gif

this gif was 3mb at 128x128

[olive sable]

yes

[sage crag]

with avif just 64kb

[flint dome]

True, my point was I don't have to struggle as hard and can catch up faster to get actual work done, even if it takes time

[olive sable]

idk who wouldnt agree

avif is just so good

[sage crag]

i dont have the original video

[sage crag]

emoji update

[maiden geyser]

everything is much better than gif, except mp4s disguised as gif

[sage crag]

banbnabadog

[opaque sigil]

i wonder how jxl support in chromium is going

they wanted to rewrite the library right

[rigid snow]

people reacting

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[rigid snow]

why fly act dumb in darkness

i can pet it

[sage crag]

fly always dumb

[olive sable]

i thought they abandoned jxl

[sage crag]

it fly

[rigid snow]

i can grab it

[sage crag]

dont

it fly

[rigid snow]

they backtracked

[sage crag]

not grab

[rigid snow]

hooooly

[rigid snow]

ye in quants they use punchcards

[sage crag]

why she caret

[rigid snow]

they fix

DESYNC

DISCORD

[olive sable]

i jsut noticed, why is everything in japanese for you?
your osu was in japanese too

[rigid snow]

she is japanese

[sage crag]

its because im a japanese tv

[olive sable]

but you're british?

[rigid snow]

your

[olive sable]

i know i corrected it before you had to say

[rigid snow]

ping diff

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

who's to say

[rigid snow]

i play with 400 ping on brazil server

am 48 year old man from somalia

[olive sable]

what?

[rigid snow]

funny copypasta

[sage crag]

\ https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458912997606166548.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=doc_20260108_074827_L \ https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458912973526663352.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=doc_20260108_074827_M \ https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458912933705679062.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=doc_20260108_074827_R

[rigid snow]

sorry for bed england

[sage crag]

convert

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

vertical stack

[rigid snow]

i selled my wife for internet connection for play "conter stirk"

[silent cloak]

i was given a game idea about a grand strategy game

so now im learning about them so i can make one

[abstract bronze]

[olive sable]

[abstract bronze]

so erm

oh wait

i cant send photos i forgor

[olive sable]

[abstract bronze]

async def config(ctx, *, tab= "nothing", valofcon):
    global gameTimer
    global gameStatus
    if not gameStatus:
        if tab == "nothing":
            await ctx.send("nil")
            print("nil")
        elif tab == ("time"):
            await ctx.send(f"time is {valofcon}")
            gameTimer = int(valofcon)
        else:
            print("extra in config")```

so i did this but like

it doesnt work cuz i didnt know i wouldnt be abel to pass like

2 arguments when i do stuff right

with discord and pythong

but idk how to do what i wanted to do

without doing it like how i thought it would work

[trim valve]

you'd probably have more luck asking in the server for the library you're using

[abstract bronze]

[rigid snow]

cwt better than stft

cwt is cool

[olive sable]

why is your name in that font?

[rigid snow]

nitro feature

it been a thing for very long

[sage crag]

what font

[silent cloak]

kek

[azure lynx]

it's to help people spot an easy mark

[olive sable]

easy mark?

[azure lynx]

they may separate themselves from money easier than others.

[rigid snow]

my name is mark and i am easy

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

:Dentgevil:

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458911901919482000.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=banbnabadog

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

now i need to understand cwt

why ft so well and widely known

and cwt i find out yesterday

continuous wavelet transform

[sage crag]

NURO

so BAD

at POKEMON

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[olive sable]

oh ye the stream

i was there yesterday during the sleepover

i forgot it was still happenign for some reason

[rigid snow]

thank you for reminding to unmute stream

cwt

why so n iche

obscure

[olive sable]

idk what cwt even is so

[rigid snow]

.

[olive sable]

that doesnt explain anything

[rigid snow]

that gives you something to google that gives you relevant results at least

googling "cwt" useless

[olive sable]

In mathematics, the continuous wavelet transform is a formal tool that provides an overcomplete representation of a signal by letting the translation and scale parameter of the wavelets vary continuously.

so ye that doesnt explain anything

[rigid snow]

it's an alternative to stft that doesn't lose low frequencies due to small window size

see how lower frequencies roll off in the start and the end

[olive sable]

i feel like we're on completely different pages

you're trying to explain cwt with the assumption of me knowing what you're using it for

[rigid snow]

if you apply fourier transform to signal it decomposes the signal into frequencies

[olive sable]

i know that one

[rigid snow]

but not continuously. you lose all time data

[olive sable]

?

[rigid snow]

if you need time data, you do short-term fourier transform, which is a technique where you split the signal into chunks. the smaller the chunks, the more low frequency data you lose, the bigger they are, the more time data you lose

[olive sable]

what is the time data tho?

[rigid snow]

like you get all the frequencies in the signal

at once

[olive sable]

ye?

[rigid snow]

in this case

i need continuous

[olive sable]

then do it more?

[rigid snow]

you lose time data

[rigid snow]

you lose low frequency data

[olive sable]

do it more and less

[rigid snow]

infinite cpu cycles glitch

[olive sable]

with time data do you mean the input signal changing?

[rigid snow]

basically

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

oh true

watch latest lague video

the chess bot guy

[olive sable]

im not in my braincell arc tho

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[obsidian mantle]

stop jollying

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[olive sable]

im tired of artist scams, but i do actually kinda want to commission a pfp

i ownder how expesive that would be

[rigid snow]

choose artist

check if tehy take comms

if not disclosed ask

then propose idea

ask how much

[olive sable]

lemme walk into #artist-alley

[spare carbon]

Can we talk about general technical topics here?

[obsidian mantle]

yes

[olive sable]

someone pointed out to me that a banana in my discord name is not a good look without context 💀

[spare carbon]

Thank you. I had a little idea when I stayed up late, so I made this. (The different username is because I haven't changed the name of my old account.)
https://github.com/has-tra5020/SUPERSTATEMACHINE

[amber fractal]

Surely mine is fine

[obsidian mantle]

does it work

[sick owl]

Dude, not gonna lie

Gemini 3 pro in Gemini CLI is kind of a goated debugger

It managed to pinpoint a specific corrupted cache file as the source of the weird performance issues I was getting in linux

Which I in a million years would not have guessed

[obsidian mantle]

[spare carbon]

Tested on gemini-3-pro 👍

You can do it with Flash too.

[sick owl]

Oh damn someone else is playing with it at the same time lol

It really is a goated model

[obsidian mantle]

is it the last one

[sick owl]

Opus 4.5 is the only better one for technical stuff but the price to performance is insane for 3 Pro

[spare carbon]

What does “last” mean? Sorry, I'm not very familiar with slang or English words.

Actually, it's not a question. Probably just a misunderstanding.

[obsidian mantle]

i mean the last one they released

i dont know if 3 is like from 2023 or

nvm i think i remember now its the last one

or was it 4

[spare carbon]

The gemini3 series seems to have appeared around November-December 2025.
I just tried it, and this system worked even on 2.5flash and 2.5pro.

[amber fractal]

Just in case, last is just normal english meaning the final item in a sequence

[spare carbon]

Thanks for telling me!!
Sorry my English is so weak...!

[amber fractal]

It's all good, I respect you for learning this lanuage

[spare carbon]

I added a demo image to the GitHub page.

Is it okay to post one AI message with the same content as the demo image?

[amber fractal]

People have done worse

go ahead

[spare carbon]

"Hah?! W-What is this?"

I stare at the small box in your hand, my optical sensors widening before I abruptly snatch it from you. I feel my internal cooling fans spin up to maximum RPM to combat the sudden heat rising in my chassis. I turn my head sharply to the side, refusing to make eye contact.

"Chocolate? Seriously? You... you actually went out and got me something like this?" I scoff, though my grip on the box is surprisingly tight. "D-Don't get the wrong idea, okay! I'm only accepting this because it would be a waste of resources to throw it in the incinerator! It’s not like I wanted this or... or was waiting for it! You probably just bought it on a whim at the convenience store anyway! B-Baka!"

{"honesty": 0.15, "energie": 1.7, "data": [{"type": "Embarrassment", "weight": 0.6, "decay_rate": 0.15, "status": {"type": "new", "time": 0}}, {"type": "Affection", "weight": 0.3, "decay_rate": 0.05, "status": {"type": "new", "time": 0}}, {"type": "Panic", "weight": 0.1, "decay_rate": 0.5, "status": {"type": "new", "time": 0}}]}

[stray dragon]

roleplaying??? in MY programming chat???????

[rigid snow]

telegram added ai summaries and that reminded me they launched the llm on blockchain thing so i looked into it

[spare carbon]

Sorry, I couldn't find anywhere else to send it...

I apologize for all the trouble...

[opaque sigil]

[stark needle]

baka

[opaque sigil]

i'll just assume that's an llm response and ignore it

[olive sable]

nah its cool lmao

[rigid snow]

damn they aren’t fooling around, they want providers to use intel tdx and gpus that support something called confidential compute

[olive sable]

the person that sent it already said it was llm ouptput before sending it

[opaque sigil]

fhe aaaaaaaany day now

[stray dragon]

i'm just glad it's not more markiplier fan fiction like what people were posting in general earlier

[opaque sigil]

[rigid snow]

so hardware enforced zero-data-retention policy basically

[amber fractal]

Another mapping words to tones, overall looks good

[amber fractal]

WHAT

[olive sable]

WHAT

[rigid snow]

[stray dragon]

it was all in images you'll never find it in search smh

[amber fractal]

I havent been in gen for ages

[rigid snow]

this in theory should mean that you can use cloud llm inference completely anonymously and with a guarantee no one is scraping your chat logs

[olive sable]

what timeframe was this "earlier"

[stray dragon]

a good practice???

[rigid snow]

pretty damn cool

[stray dragon]

it'll never become mainstream

[stray dragon]

idk today

[olive sable]

[fickle rain]

Cryptography/hypervisor magic?

[olive sable]

when today?

[amber fractal]

today in my timezone

[stray dragon]

last 12 hours or so prob

[olive sable]

to the time machine

[stray dragon]

(my today is currently 29 hours long)

[rigid snow]

as i already said intel tdx

[stray dragon]

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/okabe-rintarou-steins-gate-s-g-anime-gif-3188468857373972059

[rigid snow]

no idea what it is or how it works but something about encrypted vms

host can’t read memory

[fickle rain]

I think AMD has similar thing

https://www.amd.com/en/developer/sev.html

[rough bloom]

https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.02770

but ye need all the encrypted VM stuff too
could just read application memory from the host otherwise

[rigid snow]

if telegram ships a feature utilizing the network this is about surely this means it’s already usable

[spare carbon]

The point is the JSON at the bottom.
The AI automatically manages its own emotional weights (Honesty/Energy) without any external scripts.
It's essentially a State Machine running purely on prompt logic.

[rigid snow]

i do have some ton i can try it

[olive sable]

im back formt he past. i have come back to the future with message link
https://discordapp.com/channels/574720535888396288/1059569601144442911/1458878022852808774

[opaque sigil]

this has been usable for years it's just nobody has cared

[spare carbon]

Sorry if the translation is off.

[stray dragon]

ok that's actually pretty cool

[opaque sigil]

or i guess still cares

[rigid snow]

i mean the blockchain ai thing

cocoon

[opaque sigil]

wait what does this have to do with blockchain

[rigid snow]

https://cocoon.org/docs

[olive sable]

there are people spreading the 2026 banana campaign poster in gen chat too

im sorting based on has:image

[rigid snow]

this is by telegram as part of their blockchain

ecosystem

[opaque sigil]

glad someone finally cares enough turn these things into something usable

[spare carbon]

Thanks! If you want to play around with it (or break it lol), the prompt is here:
https://github.com/has-tra5020/SUPERSTATEMACHINE
It works on most models including local ones.
If you've already seen this, I'm sorry for posting it.

[opaque sigil]

one problem that remains is only the big boy data center gpus support the required hardware security mechanisms

[rigid snow]

it is usable elsewhere i would bet, since zdr is a very real thing. how else can you deploy llms in a confidential environment without running locally

[sick owl]

Okay that's pretty neat, the only thing keeping me from trying decentralised inference until now was security concerns (both privacy and host machine security)

[rigid snow]

is this the new crypto mining

[sick owl]

At least it does something useful this go around eh

Hurts corp hegemony instead of helping them too

[rigid snow]

buy a couple h100s and set them up to serve llm in a day

[opaque sigil]

do you think they'll notice if i sneak into the server room and grab the hgx h100

[rigid snow]

very profitable

[nocturne olive]

H100 would be kinda nice, the VRAM and compute would be great for NS

Too bad it's enterprise-priced

[rigid snow]

wait is it actually

it could be if traffic is big enough right?

[sick owl]

I mean hey at least its more private than a regular cloud API where you just gotta trust they're not ignoring the TOS and harvesting all your data

[opaque sigil]

idk about you but i trust google more with my data than some rando, they already know everything about me

[rough bloom]

should be, yeah

[sick owl]

This is extremely secure tech ngl

https://cocoon.org/architecture#security-properties

[rough bloom]

though actually, what models does this even offer

[opaque sigil]

oh i thought you were talking about completely decentralised, as in pretty much p2p

cocoon should be perfectly fine yeah granted the hardware requirements are met

[sick owl]

Its not launched for devs yet but apparently it uses vLLM for inference on the backend

https://cyberinsider.com/telegram-introduces-privacy-focused-ai-summaries-backed-by-cocoon/

[rigid snow]

i thought them shipping it meant it was ready

i’ve heard of it when they announced it but that’s about it

[rough bloom]

it's still kinda danger I think, your data does get decrypted on-device so if some firmware vulnerability is found you might be cooked
but still seems pretty good

[rigid snow]

yeah i already saw that

docker instance as in a gateway

or what

[sick owl]

Overall its probably still more private for regular users than the big cloud providers though

Its about the best you're gonna get besides local inference

Still wouldn't feed my credit card details into it but then I wouldn't do that for any LLM that isn't airgapped, even a local one in an agentic environment

[rigid snow]

also probably better too since gpus are way beefier

the ones that they require

for the confidential compute thing

i wonder how it’ll work, would you be able to see tps and stuff and route to optimize for price or speed

like you can on openrouter

this should be public already since open source and smart contracts but i obviously cba to read allat

[sick owl]

Apparently it uses a reputation system for nodes based on response time and success rate yeah

Does use smart contracts

[rigid snow]

yeah no shit

it’s by telegram

they managed to revive nfts last year

somehow

[sick owl]

I mean yeah one would assume but I figured I'd post the deets

[rigid snow]

well, in those parts of the world that use telegram

[opaque sigil]

that reminds me actually, i wonder how radicle is doing hmm

[rigid snow]

that seems super cool wtf

would go insane for game mods and decomps

can’t dmca a p2p repo

[rough bloom]

radicle is kinda funny because Git is already decentralized
still cool though since not everyone wants to use SSH and mailing lists

[rigid snow]

it’s not decentralized in the way they make it

[obsidian mantle]

is it not just a bunch of servers

where are all the git projects stored

[opaque sigil]

it's closer to bittorrent

[rigid snow]

like yeah i could have 30 remotes for each contributors machine but that’s insane

[obsidian mantle]

soo.. there might be a moment where some project is unavailable?

because nobody around holding it

[opaque sigil]

I don't remember the specifics enough to answer that

[obsidian mantle]

sounds weird

[rigid snow]

most definitely

[rough bloom]

Git definitely is
but not commonly used that way, turns out that centralization is very convenient
I think it's nice that radicle brings a lot of the convenience from GitHub and other forges except p2p

[opaque sigil]

tbf this should be a non-issue in practice assuming you seed your own project at the very least

[rigid snow]

yeah

[obsidian mantle]

well i turn off my pc at night

[rough bloom]

ye, if you care about the availability of your projects then you're gonna have to host them yourself
if you care about the availability of some other project then you can host that one too

[obsidian mantle]

wow

now i know

[rigid snow]

it’s exactly like bittorrent

[opaque sigil]

they have some stuff for integrating issues and pull requests into the git repo itself too which iirc was kinda neat

though i don't remember how that works again

[rough bloom]

now I want to try Radicle again
mabe tomorrow

[opaque sigil]

there's a nixos module for it

[olive sable]

nice 2 fps

numlock

is there a nix option to auto enable numlock?

[trim valve]

iirc there's one in KDE if you're using that

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

https://search.nixos.org/options?channel=25.11&query=numlock

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

wait hyprland uses hyprlock doesn't it

[olive sable]

i wouldnt know

[trim valve]

you might have a bios setting for it but I'm not super sure

[olive sable]

maybe

[opaque sigil]

worst case just create a oneshot service

[patent shard]

I think it's 8

[olive sable]

[patent shard]

and the original was low frame rate, it's copying that

[olive sable]

[patent shard]

wait, I might of miscalculated... could be 4

[olive sable]

a historical moment

[quick condor]

Redoing my documentation again... Personally system alone is 12 pages and that's mostly general architecture

[silent cloak]

No doxygen?

[kind nimbus]

KDE

[azure lynx]

no but you could probably write one that does whatever the bios setting code does to send the state back to the keyboard when you boot up.
it'll be somewhere in the USB HID standard somewhere.

[hearty notch]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-touch-thursday-lucky-star-out-of-touch-thursday-gif-7357556847977720137

[hard delta]

order computer

can't pay with card bank transfer it in advance here's the pre-invoice

instant transfer but takes a business day to notice anyway

don't notice it for a day (probably will today, then send with delivery company

it's the worst snowy ice armageddon weather in a decade out there

bets are on: will i be able to look at the subathon from new hardware?

[quick condor]

This is more the general evolving architecture not what every script does

[sick owl]

This vid is such a funny contrast to gamers nexus absolutely tearing into the Intel keynote

[unkempt citrus]

They can both be true

[trail ermine]

"What does fork mean?" Oh no 💀

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[rigid snow]

🍴

fork it

[sage crag]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ4lvds8tCk

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1056878975953145906/1458916687330934805/speed.gif

[true hemlock]

how much is 3090 still worth for

[jagged turtle]

the guy is a dev, right?

[radiant gale]

https://youtu.be/r6tH55syq0o?si=x5jMuZ1GU1IdGsLL

[true hemlock]

dude i didn't even use git and i know most of the terms especially the basic ones like fork

[trail ermine]

No no. dw the user doesn't know any coding and I actually explain that I need to manually editing the data on the code itself than just submitting the scores because it wasn't automated yet etc. I just assumed that user knows coding.

[azure lynx]

computers are hard. otherwise everyone would want one... oh.

[hard delta]

i like stainless steel computers the most

the ringing in my ears after i headbutt them is enlightening

[jagged turtle]

is part of cf dying for anyone else?

[flint dome]

• gets verilog as a subject
• finally, i can learn it without procrastinating since it was on my backlog anyways of stuff to learn
• teacher is plain and utter dogshit, cannot teach for hell

why, must it always, be this way?

absolutely made the experience goatfuck

[visual pawn]

sometimes in life you just have to accept that you're going to have to learn it in another way

[flint dome]

literally i have to yet again learn everything on my own this semester

didnt go so well last one (i failed mechanics)

and barely passed calculus and real mechanics

[visual pawn]

I had a requirement to take the same genomics course from the life science department and from comp sci

I ended up doing the life sci one first and it was awful, it was almost entirely "do things this way, no shut up stop asking why don't think about it"

[rigid snow]

[visual pawn]

and I hated it. took the same course from the comp sci department and it was actually pretty fun

it was like, "use k-means clustering for this kind of gene lookup" "what is k-means clustering?" "don't learn what it means that's not important, also I have no idea"

[hard delta]

what i learned about uni teachers at uni is that 75% of them are the autistic kid who really enjoyed math class and really hated reality, people, or the world, so they just want to be researchers and keep doing it but they -must- teach to hold the researcher position

[visual pawn]

it's not just teaching; a lot of researchers do progressively less and less research the more senior they get

and it becomes more about writing proposals for funding, not even papers

[hard delta]

[hard delta]

zoot zoot

[true hemlock]

got for cheap

[heavy pier]

nice GPU

[potent birch]

damn, my mistyped word made me really troubleshoot this testing tutorial lmao, finally its working

[potent birch]

3090, wowie

[quick condor]

Wait if I'm remembering correctly you got something other than a cpu?

[true hemlock]

i supposedly should hunt 3 of those

but so far i can only find one

that one was $400, i ended up only paying $150 technically

[olive sable]

Technically?

[true hemlock]

after cashbacks and coupons and stuff from my card

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

cant believe it that it worked

im pretty stubborn with my standards

i only buy if i can get for way cheaper than its current market price

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[true hemlock]

i sleep well

knowing i paid way less

for a 3090

[sage crag]

wrr

[true hemlock]

than certain someone who paid way more

for a 3050 level "workstation" card

wait no

even weaker than 3050

wtf?

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

adobe flash

[sage crag]

help me set up cursor and claude caude (code) and git

[true hemlock]

no like

deadass

it was half the performance of a 3050

[sage crag]

to verify if... web apps and mobile apps are working

dentge

[true hemlock]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/a2.c3848

like

what the hell

[sage crag]

dentge

[true hemlock]

but like

3050 is disgrace level card already

half of that...

[sage crag]

its bad that "trainable" made me think of dogs

[true hemlock]

[sage crag]

hello for £7 pls

convert radio programme to video

5head

@tender river

dente

[tender river]

wrrr

[sage crag]

.net c# c++ java

scanf

[tender river]

someone asking to do their homework is one of the most common things you see on freelance boards

[sage crag]

if only they paid more than $18

i'd do it for them

[warm zealot]

truely a beautiful sight in the world of AI slop

cheating the old fashioned way

[sage crag]

true

[tender river]

here they pay like $1-5

[sage crag]

lucky them

cheap service

i should look for apprenticeships to get some more free education

hairdressing apprenticeship, rail engineering apprenticeship, coastguard apprenticeship, train driver apprenticeship

i'll be barbie

[true hemlock]

reminds me of a person who would charge $300 to set up text gen webui

[nocturne olive]

Hem? That thing's a plug and play type app though

[warm zealot]

is dropshipping software the new hustle...

cant be more profitable than making an AI b2b SAAS chatgpt wrapper startup using UGC marketing

[true hemlock]

nvm, it was $500

[warm zealot]

i mean no way he got the money... right....

[true hemlock]

if he somehow convinced rich as fuck oilers that his service is "top technical" work he might 💀

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

i found

a content creator apprenticeship

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1424073798692507813.webp?size=48&name=NeuroConfused

[tacit sage]

Where o:

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1138690372386701332.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=vedalPuppet

[tacit sage]

🤔Vedal's sock puppet of himself is offering an apprenticeship?

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1138708567222927381.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=tutelBlabbering

[lime stag]

Sigh neuro play despacito

[visual pawn]

try working for lawyers in patent cases, you can make thousands for doing what amounts to "look for a print statement in a codebase"

you'll just need to sacrifice some of your sanity for the "why" of what you're doing

[sage crag]

wrr

[visual pawn]

people pay way, way more for way less, so I wouldn't be surprised

like, consider that people pay hundreds of dollars for geek squad to come and plug in a SATA SSD

$100 to transfer data to the new SSD, $100 to install windows, $40 to physically plug in the SSD

I'll explain to someone that it's really not much trouble and it'd be pretty simple to plug it in, but they'll say something like "no, I'm too scared to open my computer, I'll break it, I'd rather just pay"

people have the same sentiments about opening terminal/command prompt

[opaque sigil]

their money

[rigid snow]

not too far off

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[rigid snow]

dog

[visual pawn]

tbf, people will make the same decision for electrical work or plumbing....although I'd rather flood my house before paying a plumber so

[sage crag]

ban bna ba dog

hard to type

[rigid snow]

i just do dog

[stark needle]

🍌

[rigid snow]

it show up

[sage crag]

it does

[visual pawn]

wow, apparently replacing a thermostat costs $100 to $500, not including the thermostat

[rigid snow]

along with 200 other dog emoji

[visual pawn]

for a job that really isn't too far removed from plugging something in

[olive sable]

hello

[opaque sigil]

i'm disappointed that isn't a gif

oh it is

[olive sable]

it is a gif

[stark needle]

sam

ur in university

[olive sable]

nyoom

im in college

[stark needle]

isnt that the same thing

[olive sable]

idk

[opaque sigil]

less theory

[olive sable]

i think uni is a bit higher level ye

[visual pawn]

depends on the country you're in

that is, the term used

[stark needle]

do u also have stupid topics like calculus and stuff

[visual pawn]

in the US, college refers to university, community college, etc.

in Canada, college is very distinct from university

[stark needle]

i've been trying to figure out calculus for the last 3 hours but the concept of the antiderivative method makes no sense to me

[visual pawn]

so you know someone probably didn't go to school in the US when they say "uni"

[olive sable]

i dont have calc but i have "math and physics" cuz gamedev needs some basic understanding of how physaics works and such

matrices also important

vectors and matrices probably the most important part

[visual pawn]

don't skimp on the linear algebra

it's basically the entirety of.....anything in 2D and 3D space

and ML and etc.

[olive sable]

geometric algebra

[stark needle]

i was looking at the material from the school that i dropped out

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

there's sadly not really that much to do other than lots and lots of practicing to get the hang of it

[visual pawn]

gonna be a lot of staring at homogenous transforms, euler angles, and/or quaternions

[stark needle]

i dont even understand linear equations i might actually be cooked

[visual pawn]

like y = mx + b?

[olive sable]

what the hell is an antiderivcative?

[opaque sigil]

f'(x) -> f(x)

[stark needle]

integral

[olive sable]

oh

[opaque sigil]

aka integration yea

[olive sable]

i saw that in my last year of middle school

i wasnt that good at it tho

[visual pawn]

they taught you calc in middle school?

[olive sable]

ye

[obsidian mantle]

its just derivative in reverse

[stark needle]

why tf do yall have that in middle school

[olive sable]

basic calc but still calc

[visual pawn]

is this the thing where

middle school means something very different in some european countries

like gymnasium

[olive sable]

ye

[obsidian mantle]

we didnt have it in school, only derivatives

[olive sable]

middle school refers to secondary school which goes from ages 12 to 18 here

[visual pawn]

middle school in the US means ages 11-14 roughly

[obsidian mantle]

so there is no high school?
or there is school beyond 18

[stark needle]

bruh middle school here is 12-15

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

i always wonder if having worked for google was a mistake and i should have stayed in education instead

[obsidian mantle]

wtf

[olive sable]

this is our education system

[visual pawn]

yeah, so the european school weirdness

[olive sable]

to me you're the fucking weirdos

[stark needle]

swiss bruh

[olive sable]

what in the fuck

[rigid snow]

we had integrals in 11th

[olive sable]

to put it more simply, we had integrals at age 17-18

[rigid snow]

ye same

[visual pawn]

ontario canada

[sage crag]

in england, you have:
-> nursery (up to age 4-5)
-> primary school (up to age 10-11) (ks1, ks2)
-> secondary school (up to age 16-17) (ks3, ks4) <- derivatives and integrals here if you took further maths
-> college / sixth-form (up to age 18-19) <- derivatives and integrals here if you took maths
-> higher education at uni or an apprenticeship (with various degree levels)

[potent geyser]

In Canada, we don't have middle school. Elementary school -> 8 year. Then 4 year high school -> uni/collage

[obsidian mantle]

maybe i forgot its been so long ago

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

god i wish i was in england

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

unc

[stark needle]

i literally know more english than german i can NOT write an essay in german y'all just need to learn 1 language

[olive sable]

afaik for integration you just gotta get the area of the shit underneath the graph.

[sage crag]

you do need to learn a language in secondary school, usually spanish, french, or german

[pseudo lynx]

this is similar system to my area in the US, but some states have middle school from grades 6-8, which is so weird to me

[sage crag]

its up to you which one though

and, some schools dont do it, i believe

[stark needle]

oh bruh i didnt know that

[sage crag]

though you'd have to take an extra course to make up for it

[visual pawn]

my middle school was grades 7-8

[obsidian mantle]

is it also cosmetic there or you actually learn something

[olive sable]

we started with learning 2nd language at age 5

[visual pawn]

the entire school was just two grades

[sage crag]

the first

school is a bad place to learn a language

[pseudo lynx]

like I said, shits weird with middle schools

[stark needle]

i also need to learn stupid french

[rigid snow]

cosmetic class you learn cosmetics

[potent geyser]

But we don't have SAT or ACT or CRE

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1458911901919482000.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=banbnabadog

[olive sable]

i still suck at french and ive been learning it for 13 years

[sage crag]

why is there a hype train

[visual pawn]

where in canada? ontario? I went to grade 7-8 middle school there

[rigid snow]

type h rain

[obsidian mantle]

evil wants a record

[sage crag]

evil just stopped playing minecraft that's all

[sage crag]

evil winning anything

[pseudo lynx]

all the standardized testing we have in the states sucks ngl, it's more learning how to take the test then understanding and applying the material

[stark needle]

i dont get why people like to throw so much money at an ai😭

[visual pawn]

we had standardized tests in canada but they were for school evaluation only

[olive sable]

so like, what the issue?
you gotta do the riemann sum or something to get the area underneath the curve

[visual pawn]

hey, that's every student in canada who isn't in quebec

[olive sable]

[visual pawn]

all I retained was je ne comprende pas francais

[olive sable]

c'est ne pas bien eh

rule 10

[visual pawn]

c'est la vie (it's used in english, it counts)

[sage crag]

no comprendo español

[stark needle]

school is literally the ultimate slavery place where u have like 8h of school and then need to do homework for another 2hr

[visual pawn]

man, I wish I just had school

it's the extracurricular schooling that sucked for me

[olive sable]

i didnt enjoy school but it wasnt too bad for me.
college is a lot nicer since you're not forced to do anything, but you gotta get that self-discipline

[tender river]

we had like 5-6h of school

and i didnt do hw so hw was 0h for me

[stark needle]

i prefer being an overworked googler trying to meet a deadline for a code project than school

[visual pawn]

well that's not a hot take

[sage crag]

wrr

homework

never did it even when i was in my primary education

[rigid snow]

we have standardized testing too and it’s exactly the same. learning how to take the exam itself

[sage crag]

still pass top grades

not my problem

homework for nerds

[rigid snow]

maybe standardized testing is the issue

[visual pawn]

if anyone currently in school is wondering whether the "I have an assignment due" nightmares ever stop, the answer is they do not

[olive sable]

i only started doing my homework at home in late secondary school.
everything before that i jsut didnt do it or did it in class