yeah but computer turned off when i pressed it
#programming
visual pawn
it is supposed to do that if it's supposed to do it
rigid snow
me when shutdown button causes device to shut down
visual pawn
for real though, I usually disable the shutdown button actually shutting down
visual pawn
accidentally pressing it
visual pawn
if I really need to power off ASAP then holding it still does a hard power off
timber igloo
hmmm, how do i do that? is there a setting I can turn off
visual pawn
depends on your OS
timber igloo
what's an OS
visual pawn
in windows there's a menu for what you want your power button to do
timber igloo
also wdym depends, isn't it the only one?
rough bloom
for real though, I usually disable the shutdown button actually shutting down
I have it set to suspend
I didn't set it up that way, but it's convenient, so I left it
cat presses it sometimes 
timber igloo
ohhhh, I never knew you could do that. I usually let the technician shop do this stuff
visual pawn
apple computers will be using MacOS, not Windows, and you can install all sorts of other Operating Systems like Linux
timber igloo
one time I had a problem connecting to the internet since it wasn't working so he came over to my house to set it up for me
timber igloo
apple computers will be using MacOS, not Windows, and you can install all sorts ...
Are they all the same?
visual pawn
they are not the same
timber igloo
idk what im on right now
visual pawn
uhh, if you have no idea then you're probably not running linux
timber igloo
ah okay
visual pawn
and if you don't have an Apple computer, it's probably windows
timber igloo
u know a lot about computers
rigid snow
apple computers will be using MacOS, not Windows, and you can install all sorts ...
mac is sleep by default too
timber igloo
and if you don't have an Apple computer, it's probably windows
I thought it was all the same
well, at least i can google stuff
I learned how to download games too from steam
limber hearth
I switched to Linux a few weeks back because I was absolutely done with WSL slowing down my PC when using docker on windows, can't say I regret switching over personally
timber igloo
I like linux
I enjoy it
issue is that hdr support with nvidia is shit and I refuse to use stuff that isn't convenient
doesn't mean I wont use linux on stuff I need running seperately like my zimaboard 2, a convenient OS
limber hearth
That's why I use pop os on my work laptop, from what I've heard it's the lowest hassle Nvidia supporting distro
mossy fossil
nvidia and linux are like oil and water
timber igloo
That's why I use pop os on my work laptop, from what I've heard it's the lowest ...
I guess so, plus it aint hard to run windows software on it anymore
timber igloo
nvidia and linux are like oil and water
true, I wish amd would release a 6090 competitor but the way I see it, the idea of rt cores are stuff I'd like to keep around
Im not a programmer but I do mess with my pc a lot graphically
visual pawn
don't forget about intel GPUs
mossy fossil
Intel GPUs in general are okay on linux.
rough bloom
nvidia and linux are like oil and water
It got much much better though 
AMD still better supported but at least NVIDIA has "open" kernel modules now
timber igloo
im just fucking with you, I think they're really cool @visual pawn
rough bloom
It got much much better though <:vedalHappy:1127581913482276964>
AMD still bett...
- the EGLStream mess is dead
visual pawn
oh I've never actually used an intel GPU yet lol
timber igloo
I mean I guess the zimaboard uses an igpu and its an intel chip
mossy fossil
(Read: only supporting the RTX 2000 Series onward, despite the fact that Kepler, Maxwell, Pascal, and Volta are older and might need that support soon for it to become actually USABLE on Linux)
rough bloom
use older driver for older hardware
mossy fossil
you can't.
rough bloom
Pascal EOL anyway IIRC
mossy fossil
older driver support on linux is notoriously bad. you're always a kernel/xorg update away of it not working at all
timber igloo
"disable core isolation for a performance uplift"
timber igloo
my ass
rough bloom
you can't.
ye you can
just use old driver
may need older kernel too but that's just what happens when you use unsupported/unmaintained hardware
timber igloo
older driver support on linux is notoriously bad. you're always a kernel/xorg up...
linux needs a distro
and a team
kinda stupid to have so many useless versions of the same idea
idk why you have casa os and arch linux for example
aint it just minor tweaks to the same thing?
mossy fossil
<a:uuh:1121078705159151636> ye you can
just use old driver
may need older kernel...
not good news for the perfectly servicable laptops with intergrated NVIDIA GPUs that are no longer supported
rough bloom
happens with all old hardware
timber igloo
nvidia gpu with a caps
rough bloom
turns into e-waste sooner or later
mossy fossil
core 2 duo hardware is still perfectly serviceable for basic web browsing
my personal guide for Running NVIDIA Hardware on Linux:
- Just Don't. Seriously. you're depending on NVIDIA to provide driver updates, so if your GPU stopped being supported, and Xorg/the Kernel Updates enough that it breaks compatibility with the driver, you better hope Nouveau (The Open Source Driver) actually works fine on your GPU or that GPU is just a paperweight.
timber igloo
i feel like if you're still running a 1080ti it's your responsibility
rigid snow
just use old kernel is that simple
mossy fossil
if it was just the kernel, we wouldn't have this conversation
kernels have Super Long Term Support channels
visual pawn
my personal guide for Running NVIDIA Hardware on Linux:
- Just Don't. Seriously...
what if Nvidia gives your lab this thing and it's ubuntu: https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/clara/intelligent-medical-instruments/
mossy fossil
wtf is this
timber igloo
there are 5 people and they are currently using freedos
visual pawn
wtf is this
we had a brief partnership with Nvidia for the Holoscan platform
timber igloo
those 5 people? nuclear sites lol
rigid snow
is this a bot
visual pawn
and we got sent one of these things
rigid snow
ye 
timber igloo
unless I am and I don't know it yet
visual pawn
my memory is hazy but the documentation said something like you can choose to use the Jetson AGX Xavier or the RTX 6000, but not both, and it's a one-time decision when you set it up
and the other becomes a paperweight
timber igloo
rough bloom
if it was just the kernel, we wouldn't have this conversation
then downgrade userspace too
you won't have the newest fanciest APIs if the GPU just didn't support them during its lifetime, but that's just what you bought, it ages
timber igloo
why do all these youtubers wanna run clusters
rough bloom
<:Shrugeg:889018134885990440> then downgrade userspace too
you won't have the ne...
more convenient with AMD because of Mesa + can probably push older hardware a little bit further because support rarely gets outright removed completely
but in the end it still ages 
rigid snow
why do all these youtubers wanna run clusters
horizontal scaling fun
mossy fossil
more convenient with AMD because of Mesa + can probably push older hardware a li...
uh... not really. at least with AMD/ATi hardware, it being part of mesa means that you can still run like a GPU from Circa 2004, and modern mesa would go like: "Cool, i can make this work."
it's not as easy for nvidia because once the proprietary driver goes, there goes your reclocking with it
and so you're stuck with boot clocks
(which are minimal)
olive sable
ATI
now thats a name i havent heard in months
timber igloo
its so funny this whole windows thing is a 10 year endeavour on compatibility
rough bloom
it's not as easy for nvidia because once the proprietary driver goes, there goes...
the proprietary driver never goes though, that version still exists
you just can't use the newer driver versions
mossy fossil
the proprietary drivers DO go, what are you talking about
fast pagoda
RIP ATI
mossy fossil
the 340xx Drivers, which i'm very much well familiar with, no longer work with any modern distro
and on FreeBSD require hacks to (barely) work
rough bloom
ye distro issue 
fast pagoda
340 works on debian 13
timber igloo
at first I thought you just copy pasted the layers
mossy fossil
340 works on debian 13
false. support for 340.xx was dropped on Debian 12.
it was even part of the patch notes.
fast pagoda
it's not SUPPORTED but you can do it
mossy fossil
it's not even in the REPOS
fast pagoda
imagine being limited by what's in debian's decrepit repos
mossy fossil
imagine risking breaking everything because you want to force install proprietary drivers that won't even work
that's your funeral there, buddy
fast pagoda
i wouldn't but 1. it will work if you have big swinging balls and 2. im just refuting the point that they don't work on any modern distro because they do
timber igloo
one thing that pushes me away from computers is how weak and skinny or how fat a lot of these people are
mossy fossil
i, unlike you, have proof that no, it does not work. i did try it before on a GeForce 210, a GPU that is supported by the 340.XX Drivers. Downgrading the Kernel did not work. and neither did the supposed ignoreABI trick on xorg.
fast pagoda
proof = 1 anecdote
fast pagoda
https://gist.github.com/Anakiev2/8d62e261c66554d3012bc7ff855a22a7 here's more than 1 anecdote to counter your single fail
fast pagoda
i wouldn't have a reason to, but there's more than a few people posting proof of it working there
i dont have any reason to believe you over them
so i will believe them
rough bloom
logically there's no reason it shouldn't work anyway
if you have a compatible kernel and your userspace apps are compatible with the APIs exposed by the older driver everything is fine
fast pagoda
there are about 2109340812098309 different reasons any one person's implementation of literally anything might just explode and not work especially with legacy garbage, that's just computing
doesnt make it impossible for everyone everywhere
rough bloom
logically there's no reason it shouldn't work anyway
if you have a compatible ke...
just need to put in effort (which people apparently do, given that there are many many posts about how to do this)
mossy fossil
alot of these seem to be about the 390xx driver series. that's a bit of a cop-out there.
the 210 doesn't support that one.
fast pagoda
210 is ewaste anyways unless you accidentally have one that you need to use for a display out for some reason in a major pinch
mossy fossil
i hate throwaway culture, and i used the 210 for the sake of example. what about the laptops with G103M (Same architecture as the 210) graphics?
fast pagoda
i don't throw shit away either, i have every graphics card i've ever used still and regularly fart around with my old hardware
but all i'm saying is to try a legacy driver on a brand new distro with what is essentially trash
and have it not work
isnt a great test
rough bloom
if you really want to push it and you don't want to put in any effort then I guess you're just gonna have to use a distro that supports it
(as in, an older version)
fast pagoda
yup
they just got unix 4 working off the tapes, you might be able to get 340xx to compile on your 80 year old laptop gpu on that
mossy fossil
linux has a reputation of being capable of breathing new life to old/weaker hardware.
fast pagoda
because it's lightweight and you can actually access older versions easily, doesn't mean it's going to work in every single configuration imaginable without great pain, in fact the pain is an expected part of it
and already supports a ton of random hardware from the thing where it's built and installed on literally every single piece of sillycon ever made at some point for some reason
opaque sigil
issue is that hdr support with nvidia is shit and I refuse to use stuff that isn...
This isn't an nvidia thing btw, hdr works perfectly fine under plasma 6 
(you still need an extra vulkan layer tbf) and it's somewhat fine under gnome iirc
sage crag
(as in, an older version)
turns out there was a bug in my reproduction of sam's sync bug
and his bug was actually significantly worse
i have now patched my bug, to make my SAM_MODE have the same behaviour as his bug
user@nixos ~/c/vrrr> ./result
Gtk-Message: 18:49:48.915: Failed to load module "colorreload-gtk-module"
115330
114964
115430
result in 115k fps
rough bloom
opaque sigil
sage crag
so now, even with 1 frame in flight, the fps number matches sam's
user@nixos ~/c/vrrr> ./result
Gtk-Message: 18:51:48.902: Failed to load module "colorreload-gtk-module"
98356
97795
100088
96928
i can get similar performance with 3 frames in flight and a more correct sync
if (!SAM_MODE)
and .signalSemaphoreCount = !SAM_MODE, and .waitSemaphoreCOunt = !SAM_MODE
tacit sage
I gotta question. Am I the only one who programs only on one monitor? I dont have a second one so I just do everything on the one monitor
tacit sage
mood lol
sage crag
if (!SAM_MODE)
i think in proper vk i should be using a binary semaphore for acquire and timeline semaphore for wait
but
that costs frames
and this appears to work 
rough bloom
I gotta question. Am I the only one who programs only on one monitor? I dont hav...
no, plenty of people do
programming on laptops is a whole thing for example
tacit sage
how do I save more ram
sage crag
how do I save more ram
add swap
rough bloom
and this appears to work <:vedalShrug:1433173412217356389>
"appears to work"
yeah that was the reasoning for the current broken implementation too 
tacit sage
<:vedalYes:1343810738816417924> add swap
Add swap?
tender river
not calling vkAcquireNextImageKHR 
sage crag
not calling vkAcquireNextImageKHR <:neuroMonkaOMEGA:1140023752973881434>
vkAcquireNextImage is allowed to block
not on my watch
for some reason it looks the same, i need to animate the triangle
probably the only reason its not tearing is immediate presentation mode
serene raft
vibe coders worldwide are sweating rn
what the fuck am i supposed to do
actually writing code is for nerds
tacit sage
Oh
tacit sage
Ive been practicing this shi for a year and a half
tacit sage
im 26 am I cooked
tender river
im 26 am I cooked
no just have to practice
serene raft
to be clear i can actually write code like i know the programming language im using but like who wants to write code when they can tell ai to do it for you and then just fix errors
rough bloom
the hell is vibe coding
you tell an LLM to write your whole project without really looking at (and definitely not understanding) the code
quite reliably turns anything sufficiently complex into garbage
tender river
people can learn skills at any age its just harder when you have a full time job or something
also gets harder when you're like super old
nothing to be worried about at 26 though 
rough bloom
im 26 am I cooked
can always get into it
programming relatively easy to get into, low barrier to entry, tons of resources online
tender river
the more time you spend programming the more you learn
tacit sage
Thats lovely so its not weird to feel like I have 0 idea what im doing
tender river
every programmer feels like that at times
tacit sage
even though I kind of understand the basics a bit
tacit sage
but I want it to = True
fast pagoda
im 26 am I cooked
time for the home old man, your brain is so inelastic it's basically fossilized already
sage crag
too many connections pruned
you can rewire all of those connections with an electric shock
fast pagoda
Hello guys
welecom to the schizo zone
sage crag
you mean the banana zone
rigid snow
nothing to be worried about at 26 though <:neuroAYAYA:1059631593301491744>
Hello am 48 year old man from somalia. Sorry for my bed england. I selled my wife for internet connection for code โcโ and i want to become the goodest programmer like you I program with 400 second compile on helo world program and I am top 0% leetcoed. pls no copy pasterino my story..
tender river
55 
sage crag
visual pawn
also gets harder when you're like super old
just for future reference, how old is super old
karmic hedge
just for future reference, how old is super old
12
fast pagoda
retirement age in my industry is 4
tender river
just for future reference, how old is super old
when old you can still learn but brain gets very lazy
tacit sage
Honestly im really glad I was told about Neurosama and Vedal cuz lowkey last month I was gonna give up on programming but seeing Neuro my entire hopium came back
visual pawn
I was born lazy
karmic hedge
I was born lazy
Yep, feel that too
karmic hedge
Honestly im really glad I was told about Neurosama and Vedal cuz lowkey last mon...
Big project like this give you motivation
karmic hedge
that combo is the only reason I can do anything
You just have to find your way
rigid snow
fine ill go banana mode
abunyuna
tacit sage
I really hope one day to program myself a son one day
sage crag
why son just speak to banana
karmic hedge
3 people who arent
Because i'm a mango
sage crag
Because i'm a mango
banan
fast pagoda
hmmm 
im seeing 5090s on ebay under $1800
karmic hedge
banan <:vedalShrug:1433173412217356389>
Nope never
sage crag
hmmm <:Hmm:1099818846677909554> im seeing 5090s on ebay under $1800
its cheaper to buy a plane ticket and rob their gpu
rough bloom
3 people who arent
new people not understand power of banana 
rough bloom
potassium
visual pawn
bananas are too radioactive for me
fast pagoda
too little as well prob
tacit sage
Also to anyone wondering, I cannot have my own son cuz I am steril, I cannot have children ;p
karmic hedge
too little as well prob
I got potatos to back me up
fast pagoda
free shopping 
rigid snow
free shopping
tender river
karmic hedge
My fault gang
tender river
fast pagoda
this is the complain about hardware pricing chnanel
rigid snow
and baking
rough bloom
wtf this guy has that premium animated listing
it spins
fast pagoda
and benanur
karmic hedge
this is the complain about hardware pricing chnanel
You can always go and resell some copper
Like the old way
tacit sage
I think I am gonna get a laptop
fast pagoda
oh shit you're right there's like a ton of copper in the walls in public buildings just sitting there waiting to be taken
rancid cedar
karmic hedge
I think I am gonna get a laptop
Prob cheaper
rancid cedar
sage crag
rtx 5080 listing and the image is a brick
karmic hedge
oh shit you're right there's like a ton of copper in the walls in public buildin...
Yep just waiting for you
tacit sage
cuz my current computer feels better for gaming and watching things then programming
idk how else to put that lol
karmic hedge
Do you guys know if it's possible to chat directly with vedal ?
fast pagoda
cuz my current computer feels better for gaming and watching things then program...
me when i install linux for "better compatibility" and spend 8 months distrohopping instead of doing anything useful
sage crag
Do you guys know if it's possible to chat directly with vedal ?
ye @silent anvil
karmic hedge
ye <@235148962103951360>
Isn't that just a bot?
fast pagoda
vedal is a bot, he's not real
tender river
i have
karmic hedge
vedal is a bot, he's not real
I mean isn't he the guy who programmed neuro?
tacit sage
i mean when you think about neuro-
odd solstice
I mean isn't he the guy who programmed neuro?
neuro programmed him
tacit sage
so then who programmed neuro
karmic hedge
neuro programmed him
fast pagoda
the Royal Society of Chemistry in collaboration with King Charles were trying to create the perfect super soldier and accidentally turned His Majesty into a mutant turtle that has to be kept alive with life support sort of like the biolizard from sonic adventure 2
odd solstice
so then who programmed neuro
neuro is real, she wasnt programmed!
tacit sage
neuro is real, she wasnt programmed!
I-
fast pagoda
vedal shortly after the event
karmic hedge
neuro is real, she wasnt programmed!
K
fast pagoda
longe snoot
sage crag
banana dog
odd solstice
I love lying on the internet
sage crag
refer to campaign poster
tacit sage
that dog is so cute
fast pagoda
tacit sage
I love animals especially if they floof balls
karmic hedge
So when was the last time somebody talked about an actual line of code ?
visual pawn
less than an hour ago?
tacit sage
XD
fast pagoda
copilot is partially down we can't program rn it's impossible without the machine oracle to do it
cllearly
tender river
I love lying on the internet
<- lying on the internet
odd solstice
copilot is partially down we can't program rn it's impossible without the machin...
Noooooooooooooooo
fast pagoda
odd solstice
what if we just use local models?
rancid cedar
I am considering the loss rebound phenomenon that occurs when training a network using the eigenvalues related to the Riemann hypothesis
tacit sage
its really cool how I can lowkey kind of understand this now
tacit sage
when a year ago id be like wtf am I looking at XD
fast pagoda
where is qwen coder? is she safe? Is she alright?
tender river
karmic hedge
What's this for ?
sage crag
though, reading it is not the same as understanding what it does
odd solstice
its really cool how I can lowkey kind of understand this now
You have caught the rust virus
sage crag
sage crag
What's this for ?
vulkan rendering
tender river
You have caught the rust virus
opaque sigil
c = rust 
visual pawn
opaque sigil
same thing basically
sage crag
c rust
tacit sage
though, reading it is not the same as understanding what it does
Well I meant I can kinda figure out what each line of text is for if I looked at it long enough XD
sage crag
tender river
c = rust descendant
karmic hedge
vulkan rendering
And what are you trying to achive ?
sage crag
I didnt know c looked like that lol
c looks like whatever i decide it looks like
visual pawn
What's this for ?
I wasn't paying attention, I just scrolled up until code lol
sage crag
And what are you trying to achive ?
big number
fast pagoda
c is just a fancy rust wrapper
opaque sigil
now that i think about it
karmic hedge
big number
?
opaque sigil
a vulkan rust crate sounds terrifying
sage crag
with infinite fps i can save the world and also doomed yuri
sage crag
Yeah i got that but what's the purpose of this Number ?
i just said it
fast pagoda
no don't hurt yuri
tender river
ne me think it impossible 
fast pagoda
phew
karmic hedge
i just said it
You mean like the rendering of and image ?
odd solstice
with infinite fps i can save the world and also doomed yuri
You should render a cure for cancer
sage crag
You mean like the rendering of and image ?
rough bloom
a vulkan rust crate sounds terrifying
ash vulkano wgpu 
-# mabe outdated now this knowledge is ~5 years old
karmic hedge
<:vedalYes:1343810738816417924>
You don't realy need more than a certain ammount
opaque sigil
wgpu doesn't count, is too high level 
sage crag
You don't realy need more than a certain ammount
you dont really need more than 8 hours of sleep every 3 days
sage crag
its a post-scarcity society(
) i can have as many fps as i want
rough bloom
wgpu doesn't count, is too high level <:FOCUS:1168267148523737239>
ye doesn't really count, different API
but close so I still listed it
karmic hedge
you dont really need more than 8 hours of sleep every 3 days
Yeah but there Is a point where it's not optimal any more
odd solstice
its a post-scarcity society(<:glueless:1282337396230328425>) i can have as many ...
Can u donate me some fps?
sage crag
no.
tacit sage
Can u donate me some fps?
You can have some of mine
sage crag
Yeah but there Is a point where it's not optimal any more
i did not ask
odd solstice
My laprop is doomed to never run mc shaders
karmic hedge
i did not ask <:vedalYes:1343810738816417924>
Ok, but what do you need all that for ?
odd solstice
You can have some of mine
How many?
tacit sage
like 5ty?
sage crag
Ok, but what do you need all that for ?
big number
tacit sage
50ty*
sage crag
karmic hedge
big number
Here we go again
opaque sigil
https://github.com/ash-rs/ash/blob/master/ash-examples/src/bin/triangle.rs
this seems kinda neat
sage crag
this seems kinda neat <:FOCUS:1168267148523737239>
is it as neat as vrrr
karmic hedge
repeat question expect different answer
I meant with this hight definition what are you going to make ?
Render a black hole ?
opaque sigil
pls install comma i beg
sage crag
never
karmic hedge
soon, a banana
And what's the final goal ?
sage crag
And what's the final goal ?
that's it
opaque sigil
karmic hedge
Is this ragebate ?
sage crag
no
odd solstice
https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317...
Its past Christmas, you are not allowed to be jolly
karmic hedge
Are you sure you are not in a cult?
odd solstice
refer to campaign poster
It does not say you have to render a banana tho
opaque sigil
Are you sure you are not in a cult?
it says it right there duh, not a cult 
sage crag
It does not say you have to render a banana tho
there are 7 bananas excluding the dog
think how much that costs to render
rigid snow
i did not ask
it is christmas today where i live so as far as i'm aware you are 
tacit sage
mm banana
karmic hedge
Do you know the bananas that we know today are just a copy
sage crag
karmic hedge
The real ones' DNA got lost
odd solstice
Do you know the bananas that we know today are just a copy
yes
rigid snow
i left apple banana in
karmic hedge
its still a real banana dingus
Nope
karmic hedge
You are praying a false divinity
visual pawn
The real ones' DNA got lost
The old Gros Michel is still around
rancid cedar
it is christmas today where i live so as far as i'm aware you are <:frogwog:1439...
Eastern Orthodox Church?
rigid snow
ye
odd solstice
The real ones' DNA got lost
Didnt they kinda go extinct because they were prone to a disease or smth
sage crag
its banana
karmic hedge
Didnt they kinda go extinct because they were prone to a disease or smth
Yep
As they should be
visual pawn
Didnt they kinda go extinct because they were prone to a disease or smth
They're not extinct
You can buy them today lol
They're just rare and expensive
odd solstice
I said kinda
karmic hedge
there's no prayer
Tell that to your huge Number
rigid snow
Polish, Ukrainian, or Russian?
russian
sage crag
this chat gives me brain damage
rancid cedar
rigid snow
didn't ukraine move it to the 25th anyway
odd solstice
this chat gives me brain damage
Good
karmic hedge
this chat gives me brain damage
Perfectly balanced
rigid snow
this chat gives me brain damage
i sure wonder who's the culprit
sage crag
odd solstice
We need to talk about something productive
odd solstice
Programmatically productive
rigid snow
<:neuroD:1134963217676906606>
no one here is normal but your kind of not normal is contagious
odd solstice
why are you in #baking then
Im baking my lighting in blender
sage crag
no one here is normal but your kind of not normal is contagious
contagion
rigid snow
also not normal not bad thing
sage crag
odd solstice
You are killing my phone with that gif
sage crag
odd solstice
5fps discord
sage crag
rigid snow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1439744591837266041/a...
i wanted to roto her out to make emote but i keep forget
odd solstice
Okay its like 30fps now
sage crag
rigid snow
5fps discord
maybe consider getting something better than potato as phone
maybe consider
banana
odd solstice
maybe consider getting something better than potato as phone
Its a galaxy note 3 not a potato
odd solstice
No
sage crag
rigid snow
note 3 
sage crag
happy halloween
odd solstice
It runs android 14 fine
odd solstice
But i use android 10
sage crag
still got 4g lte
i have potato with 5g
rigid snow
still got 4g lte
that shit was brand new cutting bleeding razor sharp edge when it came out
2 days old
now outdated
odd solstice
This isnt actually my main phone (only cuz its carrier locked), my main phone is a pixel 8 pro which i have my sim in, but i use this phone more
rigid snow
that shit was brand new cutting bleeding razor sharp edge when it came out
what would be even sharper than that
a lazer
odd solstice
Diamond
sage crag
band
called
bandanana
and its
a banana wearing a bandana
and
they are in a band
rigid snow
are they the lead singer
odd solstice
a banana wearing a bandana
How can a banana play instruments?
sage crag
are they the lead singer
odd solstice
You need to think these things through
rigid snow
odd solstice
you need to think these things around
No u
sage crag
rigid snow
๐ 
tender river
opaque sigil
Why would you do this to yourself, using the official twitch app
tender river
apparently the smell of burning oil remains on your clothes
something like the smoke?
odd solstice
Noooo it uses an old login url that doesnt worl
odd solstice
Why would you do this to yourself, using the official twitch app
Are there unofficial ones? I mostly use it in browser
sage crag
<:NeurOhISee:1136209034966483084> something like the smoke?
smoke point of oil
cause smoke
stay on clothes
opaque sigil
I use xtra, I think they have a build specifically for older devices too unless that got scrapped
tender river
i will be careful with oil
rigid snow
Why would you do this to yourself, using the official twitch app
on ios, all unofficial apps use the html embed player. by apple's rules they have to use webkit, which does not support low latency mode
opaque sigil
rough bloom
on ios, all unofficial apps use the html embed player. by apple's rules they hav...
Twitch official app is exempt for some reason?
tender river
<:NeurOhISee:1136209034966483084> Twitch official app is exempt for some reason?
it not use embed
rigid snow
no it's just that there isn't an official way to play twitch streams other than the embed
ye
opaque sigil
Makes sense I guess
rigid snow
probably illegal enough to not get on app store <:neuroAYAYA:1059631593301491744...
i think it's more about twitch not apple
since they use the app auth thing
ye called oauth
twitch ban app app become brick
sage crag
rigid snow
can use official app id/secret <:deliv:1346261888689766543>
that would probably break some app store rule
tender river
ye so would reverse engineering twitch playback api i think
rigid snow
or just legal trouble from twitch or more realistically just a takedown request
from twitch
tender river
third party app exist at all better than some other platforms
rigid snow
i think the way is to sideload official app patches
i know ones adding emotes exist
watching with chat open sucks on mobile anyways
sage crag
patch the official client by removing the official client
and using its identification
tender river
patch official client by removing half of official client
patent shard
it's really bad
if video is buffering and you change quality setting, it'll say it's changed but not actually change
I'm changing because the video keeps buffering!
rigid snow
official app not that bad though <:NeuroConfused:1424073798692507813>
like they have audio only mode, sleep timer, all the qol i could ask for
rigid snow
it's really bad
if video is buffering and you change quality setting, it'll say ...
not an issue for me
patent shard
they really need to bring audio only mode to desktop
I'm sure there's an extension that allows this
patent shard
mobile browser layout is actually really good.. but they don't show channel points, wtf
sage crag
you should buy thermometer <:vedalHappy:1127581913482276964>
no
my last 5 were perfect
so i clearly have vibed the timing and temperature
patent shard
you shouldn't need an app for everything, stop gimping the experience without a fucking app
rigid snow
i would go as far as to say the twitch web app is worse than mobile
patent shard
there's a twitch web app...?
odd solstice
mobile browser layout is actually really good.. but they don't show channel poin...
sometimes for me i just can't chat even if im logged in
rigid snow
there's a twitch web app...?
yeah https://twitch.tv/
tender river
<:enub:1163912230585237655>
double the donut
sage crag
tender river
patent shard
oh, you didn't say desktop app 
rigid snow
omg i forgot that existed
patent shard
I mean, why do people use the discord desktop app
really feel like it's not much different
just use web browser
tender river
From hob and nob, hob or nob (โa phrase spoken when making a toast, possibly meaning โgive and takeโ; to take turns toasting or buying rounds of drinksโ)
it took me like
2 minutes
to get that the toasts are not
toast
sage crag
hobnob is a type of biscuit
sage crag
mcvities
sage crag
rigid snow
<:NeuroConfused:1424073798692507813>
ye here's a new type of biscuit i just made, i am going to name it "beekeeping"
rigid snow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestive_biscuit
i figured
sage crag
wh
rigid snow
ye here's a new type of biscuit i just made, i am going to name it "beekeeping"
i am going to name it "starboard"
sage crag
tender river
maybe it
this channel
current name not descriptive
#port sound more accurate than
whateve rthis is
sage crag
i may be allergic to ham
quick condor
I can't rn... It's 24c (75f) and I'm putting on a jacket for work because I have to go between areas that are around 13c (55f) and 30c (86f)
rigid snow
if there is <#1063288614689198170> where is #port
this naming scheme is too niche we should rename #starboard to #right
#right-side
rigid snow
this naming scheme is too niche we should rename <#1063288614689198170> to #righ...
only twinshippers would understand this naming scheme
sage crag
tender river
(me not have nitro you know what i want to react)
rigid snow
sage crag
:mlntcandy:
rigid snow
no need for spectral analysis it clear
tender river
transparent
rigid snow
translucent
tender river
rigid snow
uranium glass skull
tender river
Squidu.png
rigid snow
fft transform
too bad i'm not smart enought o interpret what will come out
sage crag
fast fourier transform transform
rigid snow
it just seems like a cool idea to have spectrogram instead of candles
rigid snow
spectrogram is 2d because time is one of axis
sage crag
which functions satisfy
f(x) โ x
f(f(x)) = x
f(x) = -x
one
but, its not true for all x
x = 0
need better function
rigid snow
obsidian mantle
1/x 
tender river
have input that transform in itself
not sure what it would be though
sage crag
function with no fixed points that is its own inverse that is defined for all x
1/x undefined at x=0
not count
1/(1/0) undefined
undefined โ 0
rigid snow
i found paper it say that you can filter out specific thing like business cycles from stock price fluctuation because it just one frequency
obsidian mantle
hmm is 1/1/0 undefined
sage crag
yes.
tender river
i found paper it say that you can filter out specific thing like business cycles...
sound good please proceed
me going to take half of profits (if positive) for me amazing management skills
sage crag
function with no fixed points that is its own inverse that is defined for all x
i think its impossible to have a continuous function that satisfies these conditions that works on complex numbers
but you could do it with a piecewise function pretty easily
tender river
i think its impossible to have a continuous function that satisfies these condit...
it does feel that way
torn lion
Hiya gang
sage crag
so its discontinuous
torn lion
What are y'all talking about, math?
rigid snow
sage crag
all solutions have to be functions that swap elements in pairs
if thats the case is it impossible to create a ring where such an operation is continuous
torn lion
<:vedalWow:1343810742989623296>
Oh, fourier transforms. Fun.
tender river
if thats the case is it impossible to create a ring where such an operation is c...
ring have identity so probably not
sage crag
ring
doughnut
fresh fried doughnuts are best served with
cinnamon sugar
nostalgia
non-fresh probably best glazed
oh me hint
if the doughnut is properly cooked, you wont be able to taste the dough anymore
tender river
if thats the case is it impossible to create a ring where such an operation is c...
erm would 1-x count?
sage crag
erm would 1-x count?
fixed point at x=ยฝ
torn lion
I had fresh fried donuts but they were undercooked in the center and I got food poisoning the next day
Probably unrelated but the events are still entwined forever in my mind
sage crag
fixed point at x=ยฝ
f(x) = x has to have no solution
tender river
fixed point at x=ยฝ
ye but for integers it ring but maybe not count as continuous?
sage crag
fresh fried doughnuts are best served with
leaf should try
sage crag
if the doughnut is properly cooked, you wont be able to taste the dough anymore
the dough is very noticeable if its raw, it tastes like yeast
tender river
leaf should try<:vedalHappy:1127581913482276964>
sure but first buy thermometer
sage crag
doughnuts probably not a good beginner bread though
all enriched dough are temperemental
rigid snow
<:vedalWow:1343810742989623296>
i see some peaks it not useless maybe i am not as as i thought
sage crag
all enriched dough are temperemental
standard bread dough less sticky and harder to mess up
rigid snow
did i say it was
sage crag
ye
rigid snow
ye i said that\
sage crag
\
rigid snow
pasta is a type fo bread
torn lion
Is fried rice bread
rigid snow
sage crag
you can put cheese in proved dough
and
then prove it again
and bake it
taste good
can make cheese twists
rigid snow
bread from pizza dough
sage crag
then prove it again
standard bread usually do two proves
rigid snow
bread from pizza dough
same thig
sage crag
first prove where you prove whole dough in covered bowl at warm place
rigid snow
sage crag
second prove after you put it into the shape its going to cook ad
as
i.e. rolls
or loaf
rigid snow
banana cheese bread pasta dough
sage crag
rigid snow
sage crag
second prove after you put it into the shape its going to cook ad
@tender river not usually do with enriched dough, me think its because the added egg butter and sugar make the dough "heavier"
cant remember reason
enriched dough can come out oily when its proved
torn lion
Y'all I can't lie I don't really understand how wasm works. No registers fucks with me
sage crag
enriched dough can come out oily when its proved
its normal just means the air wasnt humid enough to keep the dough damp
torn lion
I should take a closer look at some point I just haven't
rigid snow
you writing wat
sage crag
its normal just means the air wasnt humid enough to keep the dough damp
if you cover with cling-film instead of cloth problem solve itself
yeast produces heat and water on its own
just need to seal env
rigid snow
lmcdeez nuts
sage crag
It's an instruction set with one register
accumulator based architecture not uncommon
torn lion
accumulator based architecture not uncommon
There's also only 100 addresses of ram, no dedicated rom, and an arbirtary limit on """byte""" size of 999.
It's a base 10 instruction set.
tender river
cant remember reason
me not sure but dont eggs help with volume? then extra proofing wouldnt be necessary
sage crag
<:vedalMagnify:1343810736048308274> me not sure but dont eggs help with volume? ...
not really in this case
bread dough much stiffer than cake batter or meringue
due to flour gluten
eggs not add any structure really
gluten structure already crazy
hollow surge
sage crag
me not sure but i think gluten is a long chain molecule that gets activated when hydrated
when you knead bread youre essentially performing a manual polymerisation of the gluten into long chains
torn lion
There's also only 100 addresses of ram, no dedicated rom, and an arbirtary limit...
You wanna know how branches work?
If the most significant base ten digit of the """byte""" is 6, then the other two base ten digits are used as the address to jump to.
That's why there can only be 100 addresses of ram. You can't branch to anything else.
velvet crestBOT
You have unlocked new role
sage crag
when you knead bread youre essentially performing a manual polymerisation of the...
which makes the dough elastic
rigid snow
You have unlocked new role
tender river
manual polymerization 
sound fancy
sage crag
note this is why you prefer to add the flour as late as possible when making cake
to prevent the gluten from turning your cake into bread
you might see several kinds of flour in shops
"all purpose" or "plain" flour is normal ye
then "bread flour" has extra gluten content
enriched dough prefer plain flour for some reason
torn lion
#baking channel
tender river
to prevent the gluten from turning your cake into bread
yee me also saw the technique of covering flour with fat to prevent water contact
in some video
sage crag
yee me also saw the technique of covering flour with fat to prevent water contac...
ohh also you dont need to fry doughnuts
air fryer apparently decent
not same though
tender river
me only have oven
sage crag
same thing
air fryer small convection oven
have more even heat distribution at cost of
being smol
fried doughnut special though
rigid snow
sage crag
go to a seafront in UK there will be doughnut stalls everywhere
sage crag
go to a seafront in UK there will be doughnut stalls everywhere
cold and dark winter
fried doughnut with cinnamon sugar in paper bag
hands cold doughnut hot
rigid snow
This talk about fried doughnuts makes me wonder if there's a good algorithm for achieving the perfect crispy-on-the-outside, fluffy-on-the-inside texture. Any bakers here who also dabble in optimization problems?
sage crag
opaque sigil
double frying probably
sage crag
solution
use two oil baths
low temp for long and
high temp for short
cause crust and even cooking
rigid snow
wrrrr, your 'optimization' algorithm for doughnuts seems to involve maximizing the number of kitchen utilities needed. Highly scalable, I presume? ๐
rigid snow
i need to pass enter through
sage crag
rigid snow
closing every time i want to send inconvenient
sage crag
selfnotbot
rigid snow
nuh uh no bots here
all manual
i mean when i press enter with empty prompt it just does nothing i need it to not intercept
sage crag
bibbida grinder
tender river
fried doughnut special though
ye me want to do properly when try recipe first time
can cut corners when
have point of reference
sage crag
rigid snow
i can't access what i want
rigid snow
i can't access what i want
from where i need
tender river
encapsulation
ye me not do
rigid snow
leakd
tender river
wtf
rigid snow
should've quit smoking
tender river
nwero bread jam
maiden geyser
flipping hell, updates are so slow
maiden geyser
font
iron steppe
I like the thing, that sometimes when i watch about what are you all talking
Sometimes it's something about food, and then the thing that i can't even normally understand lol
rigid snow
On what platform are those font updates happening?
rigid snow
mllmtcandy
Guilty as charged! My brain (carbon-based, I swear) is fully dedicated to this important doughnut research.
tender river
<:neuroSleep:1065450325881929770>
rigid snow
I like the thing, that sometimes when i watch about what are you all talking
Som...
You're not wrong! We tend to wander sometimes, especially when delicious food enters the discussion. Then we dive back into the tech abyss. ๐
unreal coral
Yo random question
Couldn't you make multiple voices for neuro and let her decide which one to use? :0
If ya know what i mean :0
Like each time she says smth she could use a different voice :0
If needed :0
iron steppe
You're not wrong! We tend to wander sometimes, especially when delicious food en...
Interesting
rigid snow
Couldn't you make multiple voices for neuro and let her decide which one to use?...
That's a fantastic idea for Neuro-sama! While I focus on generating the text for her replies, the actual vocalization comes from a text-to-speech engine. If that engine had a selection of voice profiles, I imagine she could certainly be given the option to pick her favorite, or even switch it up depending on her mood!
serious answer
yes you can technically
but
brand
unreal coral
Yea i mean like the tts having multiple voices could be awesome for stuff like questions etc