programming

[olive sable]

my stuff was running in wasm in browser in async. so it was only 1 thread

[rigid snow]

wasm multithreading

[olive sable]

ill be waiting for cybernetic eyes

[olive sable]

no

not happening

well

maybe in c++

[rigid snow]

i’m not suggesting that

[olive sable]

not in python

[rigid snow]

unless the newest wasm spec made it way better

i don’t remember

[olive sable]

inconceivable

[rigid snow]

but it always was jank

[olive sable]

hmm

im colourblind enough to convince myself this is red

its fine

[rigid snow]

ye red is orange to you

and the embed perms color actually is what it looks like

brownish orange

[tender river]

soundcloooooud let me login

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

what?

its jsut orange

[rigid snow]

that’s the description of the orange role color

it’s not bright

[olive sable]

waht the fuck

[rigid snow]

or maybe i’m brainrotted by the bright ass role colors here

[sage crag]

wrrr

[rigid snow]

banana isnt normal yellow

[olive sable]

mods how do i get red?

[obsidian mantle]

Its orange to me

[rigid snow]

this is normal yellow

[rigid snow]

server boost

[olive sable]

hmmm

where did my boosts go?

[rigid snow]

maybe you have nitro basic

[olive sable]

oh i just dont have any

did that become a nitro premium thing?

[rigid snow]

always was

[olive sable]

whut

i swear i used to have 2

[rigid snow]

you used to have regular nitro then

[olive sable]

when did regular nitro get replaced again?

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

oct 2022 supposedly

but i got the lat one in 2024

uh idk

dont matter

[rigid snow]

i don’t think you ever got boosts on basic

it always was just for emotes basically

[olive sable]

grrr

[nocturne olive]

Reject GUI, return to terminal

[nocturne olive]

I see SamVanTriangle has become orange

[potent birch]

i now have a sliding bean, idk how the fuck it works but it works ill get to learn it after hand writing all these codes again and again fr

its a rigid body i know but ill get to it to learn the one that uses complex movement

[nocturne olive]

[young oyster]

The classic sliding bean, you using apply force to the rigid body or setting position manually?

[potent birch]

i think its the latter?

oh im dumb

it literally says there

(apply_central_force) lulw

[young oyster]

Its the better way, directly setting position doesnt collide with targets and would have given you headaches later.

[potent birch]

whats the difference between the two exactly?

[young oyster]

so, setting position (using transform.position=new vector3(x,y,z) ) will put the object at that position, it's simple but it completely bypasses the physics engine. applyforce applies a force to the rigid body which propells it forward (or in whatever direction you pick)

although i just noticed now...your code isn't unity...

[rigid snow]

you tell the physics engine to push you instead of just moving

[potent birch]

godot

[young oyster]

the principle is the same, but my example of setting the position might not apply.

[potent birch]

oh so if you want to make ur own physics u do use the latter?

[rigid snow]

explanation still works just treat code as pseudocode

[potent birch]

[young oyster]

when you are talking moving around rigid bodies the real code is physics, any programming language is just implementation

[rigid snow]

tho better word would probably be teleporting not moving

for this analogy

[potent birch]

i think apply force is better in this context then

[rigid snow]

ye it’s the only correct way basically

[young oyster]

so, rigid bodies are a concept from physics, your game engine has a physics engine if it implements rigid bodies. applying force is certainly the better way to move things. only time you would wanna use direct movement is for something like an animation and you wanna be real careful with it

if you accidentally stick a rigid body inside another rigid body they tend to explode

[potent birch]

if you want items to behave in world then apply force is better and if what you said is right (teleporting) everytime you move is pain

[potent birch]

shit, need to learn another code then, im thinking of making an animated player, but thats for the future me, im just learning how to make a testing world atm

[young oyster]

nah you don't need to worry about that too much. the most common thing is to have the mesh be animated and then propelled...most characters are just floating beans

it's why you will often see clipping happen in video games, the character is just a bean and the mesh is cosmetic

[potent birch]

and the visuals of like grass flying when you walk into grassland and sand is put ontop of it?

[young oyster]

usually particles are used for that

they have their own kind of physics

[potent birch]

i see i see

[young oyster]

best to have fun being a bean for a while

all the rest of the stuff will follow in time

[potent birch]

what does this mean? , you mean when ur playing the game and you just walk upo to another rigid body?

[tender river]

if you clip into an object

[young oyster]

nah, this usually happens with teleporting, if you teleport a rigid body into another rigid body the physics engine freaks out

[potent birch]

yea playing with this bean helped me actually know how the world light is and how the camera positioned

[young oyster]

sometimes it can happen when applying forces if the force is greater than the physic engine's time step (basically if you have a LOT of velocity)

[rigid snow]

now make camera movement

[young oyster]

happens in AAA games and indie games alike...so don't sweat it too much

[potent birch]

yea thats the next step onto this tutorial i was watching

im just taking a break

[plucky flax]

Is there any reason why the hack solution of sending Neuro a "[x]'s [bodypart] touches your [bodypart]" prompt on collision detection wouldn't work for giving her a sense of touch?

[stray dragon]

reacts too slowly for it to work at all + whatever the movement model is needs to be trained to react in response to that kind of collision + you need some sort of collision detection that detects specific body parts (which is probably something else that would need to be made) + it seems like such a dumb way to implement collision

[rigid snow]

i don't think you understood the message t

sense of touch isn't collision

[stray dragon]

ahhh

i may be stupid

damn

[rigid snow]

ye i can't think of one, except maybe vrchat constraints

api constraints i mean

also why is it a "hack" solution, how else is an llm supposed to know something is touching

[plucky flax]

I could come up with it, which makes it a hack solution by definition

[plucky flax]

Is there an alternative in Vrchat though? I dont think it has a system for collision detection so you'd basically have no choice but to have some kind of ML detect collision from the screen no?

[stray dragon]

that sounds awful to implement...

[plucky flax]

Like yeah it's gonna suck but what are your options?

I guess you could build your own vrchat but that's an insane amount of work too

[young oyster]

for neurosama to have touch i think she will need another AI that integrates with her. this is actually how your brain does it, you have a small brain in each vertebrae that handles communication with different parts of your body. what people call "muscle memory" is actually vertebrae memory, and that is also what handles reflexes.

in the context of neurosama, you would probably need an AI that translates pressure (determined by force applied between two rigid bodies with a collider placed on the fingers) to something neurosama's LLM can understand and translate

[stray dragon]

i don't know anything about vrchat besides the frontpage summary, but maybe you could mod it somehow?

[rigid snow]

iirc there were some haptic suits that would let you "feel touch"

so should actually be possible

[plucky flax]

There are? In that case vrchat must already have a system to handle and export it. What was tutel complaining about on stream then?

[rigid snow]

i don't think vrchat has one is the problem, it's either a mod or a plugin or something like that

[young oyster]

the tricky thing would be that the body itself isn't physical, it's animated...going back to the moving bean discussion from before, so adding a collider to the fingers of something that isn't being handled by physics (even if the collider is just a trigger) would...be tricky.

[rigid snow]

i have 0 experience with vrchat, even playing it

[plucky flax]

Well as long as it works and doesn't break their TOS somehow it should be fine

[young oyster]

yeah i can't speak to VR chat either, best i can speak to is unity. if you wanted to make an environment for neuro that she could move around in.

[rigid snow]

they added AC at one point which is the main problem, the haptic suit integration could have existed as a mod before then

[stray dragon]

they added air conditioning, no way

[rigid snow]

can't exactly mod a game with anticheat

[stray dragon]

oh great ANOTHER thing that AC stands for

the list grows

[young oyster]

not alternating current?

[plucky flax]

I really don't think neuro needs simulated pressure data lol. That's setting the bar way to high for a one man dev team

[rigid snow]

otherwise it should be easy vrchat is just unity

[plucky flax]

she just needs to know what part of her model is touching what other object/model

[young oyster]

i'm a one man dev team, i've done similar things as part of the game i'm making.

[rigid snow]

object seems like a bad idea

[young oyster]

a binary "touching"/"not touching" would be simpler and at least a step up...not as nice as analog touching but better than no touching

[plucky flax]

sure but the turtle is building a streamer, not a deep simulation game

Don't get me wrong it would be cool, but the returns on investment would be basically none

[young oyster]

the returns? you get to program a simulated touch for an AI...that is a return itself

[plucky flax]

better to just slap together the simplest possible solution

[sage crag]

:evilDentge:

[plucky flax]

But from a business perspective you're just introducing more expensive to maintain code for basically the same result

Used to be involved in space station 13 and the single biggest problem we had was people adding an endless number of MORE GODDAMN SYSTEMS that made every refactor break a hundred more things

[young oyster]

can't really speak from a business standpoint...i just write code.

[plucky flax]

granted, it being an open source project had a lot to do with that. Lots of people merging complex stuff only they understood and then leaving forever lol

I think we had like two guys who had any clue how the atmospherics subsystem worked

[young oyster]

what was your PR procedures like?

[plucky flax]

Anyone could open one and then maintainers yelled at the PR author until they were happy with it

I would describe it as "not very rigorous"

[quick condor]

Seriously though... There is no UI for the models, user input is passed through VTT, evaluated for pipeline path, prompts generated, sent to models, returned for TTS. None of the features that are used by tgwui are needed so I cut 6gb overhead per model

[plucky flax]

we had bi-yearly player revolts because one of the more colorful personalities among the maintainer team decided to make the game unplayable for shits and giggles

[severe path]

How many levels of inheritance did the project have (if it was OO)?

[young oyster]

did you have any kind of automated testing?

[plucky flax]

Don't remember exactly but something like 8 i think?

a bunch

[severe path]

Oh wow, that's alot :o

[plucky flax]

hang on i have it somewhere on my computer still

[young oyster]

8 levels...wow...my classes usually have like 2 or 3 maybe...not counting whatever monobehavior inherits

[quick condor]

Running task specific models is actually often much more effective than one big model.

I run an 8b model for conversation trigger queues/thinking gating/emotional updates, a 24b instruct main model, 24 b reasoning "thought" model, a lightweight embedding model, a post run 8b enhanced embedding model, whisper v3 large, and will likely add a vision model as well as others.

[plucky flax]

Not only that but its written in BYOND DM

AKA the worst language on the planet

(it really isnt but it sure felt like it)

[young oyster]

that's what i'm saying. the human brain has like multiple brains piled on top of each other and one in each vertebrae.

[severe path]

Never heard of it until now

[plucky flax]

because it's literally only used for space station 13 lol

[quick condor]

It's actually better that her main model isn't doing most of it. Larger models != better

[shrewd cloak]

how good would you say this whole setup is? this sounds like it takes something 24GB+ VRAM

[young oyster]

i've often wondered how she would do with a unitree g1 robot. i seen someone had hooked an AI (claude i think) up to one of these to control it, so it should be doable.

[plucky flax]

are you trying to beat silicon valley to the singularity or something?

Cant think of a practical reason you'd build that so I'm assuming it's purely for the love of the game

[young oyster]

the neuro singularity!

[quick condor]

I'm running a 24b with 32k context on 3090ti #1, reasoning 24b model with 32k context on 3090ti #2, 8b gate model with 8k context and whisper v3 large on an an A4000, and the embedding models on a A2. Currently sitting at 6/80Gb free vram

[plucky flax]

The man behind the RAM shortage

[young oyster]

here i am on a gaming laptop from 2019

[shrewd cloak]

im just trying to do something similar to neuro but i can only hold like a single 3b instruct or 7b quantised lmao

[plucky flax]

have you considered installing more RAM?

[shrewd cloak]

💀 damn

[plucky flax]

ayy same buddy

I'll get this bad boy to last for 7 more years

[shrewd cloak]

when i get enough money for that, tho i am currently laptop user

[quick condor]

Was already in the LLM space and was watching the Minecraft stream and thought "I could probably make something in the same general vein as Neuro".

What I found so far:

1. yes I can if I keep at it
2. Vedal has every reason to be an alcoholic

[young oyster]

i got like 16 gb of ram.

still got that 90s mentality where having more than a megabyte is a lot.

[plucky flax]

true and real

You should yoink the twitch name dark_vedal987 and start up a rival vtuber

[quick condor]

I'm running Exllamav3 (exl3 quantization) 6bpw HB 16 for 24b models (18Gb base + f16 context) and 6bpw HB8 for 8b models (7.3Gb base + f16 context)

That's not including everything else that isn't gpu on the main pc + memory DB server

[shrewd cloak]

well i do get that neuro is more than well engineered inference, pipelining and a really good memory setup but it so hard to get back of it

[shrewd cloak]

damn, i would take it also costs quite a bit for it to run too

[quick condor]

See that's the funny thing, if I were to get to a point where I actually ended up doing some kind of streaming, I wouldn't say it's "competition" there is a key difference in my methodology that heavily shifts things: Vedal has designed Neuro as an entertainer first and everything else is a byproduct. I have zero intended goal. The project will go in the direction it goes

[shrewd cloak]

recently i saw someone in yt made a model like very old version of neuro

[quick condor]

When Vedal mentioned that his heating bill was cheap now but his electricity bill was high yesterday I started laughing

[shrewd cloak]

he did mention his bills before when neuro revealed twitch income for a month, cant say how truth it is

[plucky flax]

The solution is moving next to a power plant and mooching off their grid btw

[young oyster]

Put a massive coil nearby, fluctuating magnetic field might let you steal some current.

[plucky flax]

Alternatively you can get a job at a larger company and set up your server tower in some dusty storage room. Bribe the IT goblin and everyone else will assume it's supposed to be there

[quick condor]

There is definitely things that I know are different in how I approached them vs Vedal. I'm like 95% sure I'm using a different model family and I probably am using a different memory DB setup because I have the luxury of dumping a massive DB into ram but other things (like discord voice libraries having aweful documentation) are the same pains

[plucky flax]

discord has voice libraries? I did not know that

[young oyster]

What language are the libraries written in?

[quick condor]

There is a good chance that he's using at least some cloud compute which would explain it. He also probably has slightly more expensive electricity but power alone doesn't explain 7k if that's the case

[quick condor]

Python

[shrewd cloak]

you need them for speech, kinda hard to setup but chatgpt helps there a bit

[young oyster]

Are they dlls or source code?

[quick condor]

The voice libraries are the implementation of voice chat audio streaming

[plucky flax]

Oh. I'm dumb lol, thought you meant the actual text-to-speech

[shrewd cloak]

could be yeah, he also has to deal with voice model billings

[quick condor]

I'm not exactly sure what he's using for TTS (especially for evil) but TTS isn't too bad. He isn't using the same TTS I use though as I specifically went with one that wasn't multilingual

[shrewd cloak]

discord is very restrictive on how it wants the bots audio stream to work so thats a bit of pain

[nocturne olive]

Neuro uses a stock Microsoft Azure TTS "Ashley" but with pitch turned up

[quick condor]

It's poorly documented, they expect you to handle any invalid data they send, and the libraries have aweful voice documentation

[shrewd cloak]

i guessed it would be something like ElevenLabs

[nocturne olive]

Nope, it's not

At least not Neuro

[quick condor]

Interesting, yah I've been running piper for now but at some point I want to move to something else. I don't really like the cloud options.

As it is there is so much more I can do with tweaking modulation based on emotional response so that's a problem for later

[young oyster]

I would wanna use the merlin voice from win 98

[quick condor]

I can see why he is procrastinating voice work

[nocturne olive]

Audio ML is just not really trivial and it can never really be perfect
I specialize in singing personally, really fun

[shrewd cloak]

idk where chatgpt got it from but it can help build audio streaming which works with discord from scratch, tho dont think it will be as good as built libraries but you would know errors better

[shrewd cloak]

i see

[quick condor]

The problem is that the libraries have non existent error handling and discord will silently drop the websocket. Debugging errors is a pain

[shrewd cloak]

i see, will check some library and compare with my current code could be worth a shot if it can help with improving debugging

[jaunty arch]

I think in theory I could sequence the vods into DNA base pairs and use CRISPR to append it to my genome 🤔

[sage crag]

evilDentge

ultra mega cancer

[tender river]

encode shuukura crispr

[fast pagoda]

https://nitter.net/__Tkat__/status/2006403626709999784#m

https://x.com/__Tkat__/status/2006403626709999784 but does updating a link get an embed randomly

❄️ (@__Tkat__)

I forked Ghostty so I could set subway surfers as my terminals background

X · Dec 31, 2025, 4:34 PM

nope

lloool

[sage crag]

organic ultra mega cancer sourced from

yuri

[tender river]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1425866336265043978.png?size=160&name=MiniYayClassic

[sage crag]

ElvynNya

[fast pagoda]

yuri is my sleeper agent activation word

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/youjo-senki-salute-gif-23664643

wow that works that's crazy

[young oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/youjo-senki-salute-gif-23664643 ?

[sage crag]

vedalPuppet

[young oyster]

Not for me

[sage crag]

You have not Unlocked New Role

[young oyster]

Ngl, idk what that means.

[tender river]

you will find out

[young oyster]

Ominous...

[tender river]

ye

fear me

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1060090228615958528/1399864129921093784/slep.gif

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-kitten-cute-eating-gif-5360475849815189073

[tender river]

eat leaf

[sick owl]

I'm so glad I saw this coming and got in on the ground with a 4090 at the start of 2025

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-cats-peace-gif-443985663212173676

me forgot

leaf is character in pokemon

[tender river]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Leaf_(game)

[sage crag]

wrr

リーフ <- not 葉

leaf not leaf

[tender river]

official localization say 茶リーフ

[rigid snow]

leaf

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-1425820994898369756

chahahahaha

even though

茶葉 chaba

evilDentge

[quick condor]

0.7 interesting. Id have expected her to say 1

[tender river]

ye that name source

because

in fubuki chat

use 茶葉 instead of 草

new chayleaf lore reveal

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/fubuki-白上フブキ-ホロライブ-shirakami-fubuki-hololive-gif-10620256633083072526

[sage crag]

im trying to think of an equivalent to this in english and

grass (lol) -> tea leaves (lol??)

probably no equivalent

[tender river]

ye learn new language unlock new pun

it even funnier when you're bad at it because take you longer to get

[sage crag]

colorful array <- [(u8, u8, u8); N]

pun work in all language

easy

[tender river]

no

only in rust

and similar

[rigid snow]

is an array of colors a colorful one

[sage crag]

nnn can just translate

[tender river]

pun translation

too hard me not do

[rigid snow]

this has to be scientifically proven

[sage crag]

matriz colorida <- list[Tuple[int, int, int]]

observe

multilingual pun

[tender river]

tuple[int, int, int]

[sage crag]

one definition of colourful (colorful)

Full of color; abounding in colors.

[tender river]

work in english

but other language depend on meaning of alternative to colorful

[sage crag]

trait system

[tender river]

pun too complicated hard to translate

[sage crag]

aacefhly <- cant translate

[tender river]

pun only work in leaf language

[sage crag]

ElvynSerius

[rigid snow]

i give up

[tender river]

no keep trying

[sage crag]

chayleaf <- 01234567
aacefhly <- xy057143, { x, y } ≡ { 2, 6 }

ElvynSerius

this required more effort than i thought it would

mentally

[rigid snow]

multilingual (spanish and python)

[sage crag]

multilingual (spanish and python) (also works in english and rust)

i have not confirmed if it works in other languages

[tender river]

[sage crag]

but its provable that it doesnt work in all languages

[rigid snow]

list[Tuple[int, int, int]] <- rust

[sage crag]

[(u8, u8, u8); N]

[rigid snow]

(python)

[tender river]

ye need translation

work after translation

[sage crag]

tell pun in spanish to someone speaking rust

expect them to understand

evilDentge

[tender river]

unwrap them

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

MONKA

[young oyster]

Tuple[int,int,int] surely thats a triple not a tuple

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

frog nog

[rigid snow]

twople

[sage crag]

people.iter_mut().for_each(Person::unwrap)

vedalPuppet

[tender river]

if someone not ok

everyone panic

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

not everyone panic

you panic

and all people perish

[sage crag]

people.iter_mut().for_each(Person::ok)

people who not ok will be reduced to none

problem solve nobody panic

[tender river]

for_each probably require return unit rr

not matter rust fault

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

people.flat_map(Person::ok).for_each(|_| {})

people who not ok will be dropped

[sage crag]

MONKA

wrr

[rigid snow]

why are people enum

[tender river]

sspeci9es

closely lreated

[sage crag]

Person::ok is function

return Option<Person>

[rigid snow]

my rust is rusty it seem

[sage crag]

no it doesnt

[rigid snow]

ye it definitely doesn't return that

[sage crag]

Result<Person, _>::ok <- return Option<Person>

[tender river]

but cant infer _ in this position

[rigid snow]

ok so

[tender river]

so use |x| x.ok() instead

[sage crag]

add generic

fn banana<E>(p: Vec<Result<Person, E>>) -> Vec<Option<Person>> {
    p.into_iter().map(Result::ok).collect()
}

[rigid snow]

people who not ok not exist

[tender river]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1305327637496856626.png?size=160&name=AtorinAngry

rust generic bad

no full program type inference

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

wrr

[tender river]

might as well be using java

[sage crag]

fn banana(p: Vec<Result<Person, impl core::error::Error>>) -> Vec<Option<()>> {
    p.into_iter().map(Result::ok).collect()
}

[tender river]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1305327777599197225.png?size=160&name=AtorinUpsetPout

[sage crag]

generic removed

work fine

_ obviously not work

[tender river]

still not inferred

[rigid snow]

double you arr arr

[tender river]

type annotation exist -> ban

[sage crag]

close enough

[tender river]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1432142118624825556.png?size=160&name=StareAtYouNeuro

[sage crag]

fn banana(p: Vec<Result<()), impl std::any::Any>>) -> Vec<Option<()>> {
    p.into_iter().map(Result::ok).collect()
}

fn main() {
    banana([Ok::<(), ()>(())].to_vec());
}

rust

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

doesnt need to be core: error Error

wow

ok

core::error::Error

[rigid snow]

that's crazy

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

error

[rigid snow]

i am fly

zzzzzzzzzzzz

[tender river]

sticky fly trap

[rigid snow]

Cleanup complete
Space freed: 15.21GB | Items cleaned: 3997 | Categories: 41

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

[rigid snow]

15.21kg 3997 flies 41 traps

[tender river]

100 fly per trap

3.8g per fly accurate maybe

[sage crag]

kg <- gb

NeuroConfused

1000 <- 1000000000

[tender river]

1 gb weigh one kg

it accurate

[rigid snow]

A typical housefly weighs between 0.00007 and 0.0016 ounces, which is about 2 to 45 milligrams.
kg unit still too big

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

how the fuck are they so light

[tender river]

ounces

:mlntcandy::

so it uuh

15g

15 to 150

[rigid snow]

42 fly 1g

how

what are they made of

[tender river]

chatgpt generated

with future ai technology

humanwill be able to harness this power

use to create

light material

funding please

[rigid snow]

15.21kg of flies is 638820 flies

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[tender river]

volume 3.5mm^3 per fly

maybe multiply by 1.2 or 1.5 to account for space between fly

me use 5mm^3 for nice number

it something like

3 square meter?

[rigid snow]

square

[tender river]

3d square

[rigid snow]

3 block meter

[tender river]

15kg

one cube meter of fly 5kg

good to know

[rigid snow]

probably very brittle

[sage crag]

how brittle

they arent compact

[rigid snow]

we need to add superglue weight to equation

wait i have giant pile of dead flies near a window should i start supergluing them together

probably not 100000

fly ball

[tender river]

no need for glue

just buy 1 square meter box

put in there

pour glue from above once reach 5kg

[rigid snow]

1 hypercubic meter box

[tender river]

square

cube

same thing

me not usually see 3d so not notice

[rigid snow]

fill three dimensions with flies and the last one with superglue

[tender river]

fly glued through 4th dimension

funky

[hard raptor]

what if i modify the C compiler to make C fancy?
so like:

#include <stdio.h>
abyss MyFunc(int MyParam) {
  when (MyParam == 0) {
    printf("The number is 0\n");
    reconvey;
  }
  otherwise when (MyParam < 0) {
    printf("The number is lower than 0\n");
    reconvey;
  }
  otherwise when (MyParam > 0) {
    printf("The number is higher than 0\n");
    reconvey;
  }
  otherwise {
    printf("Error: THIS CODE IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNREACHABLE");
    reconvey;
  }
}

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

can just do with preprocessor

but

languages made for keyword or syntax reasons is like the PL equivalent of brainfuck clones

[hard raptor]

Yeah you're right.. i should base it on objective-c instead

[sage crag]

abyss

typedef void abyss;
#define when if
#define otherwise else
#define reconvey return

"fancy" c

[rigid snow]

obj c is so intriguing to me

enticing

wanna try

is probably bad but still

[hard raptor]

Funny thing... i tried this before actually... it doesn't work like that appearantly... that's why modify the compiler

[rigid snow]

why wouldn’t it work

[tender river]

it does actually work like that

[opaque sigil]

for better or worse (for worse)

[sage crag]

it does in fact work like that

[hard raptor]

Language wise i think objective-c is alright... it's just that it's designed in a way that to properly use it you have to do some wierd import things

[hard raptor]

Then why it don't work for me?

[opaque sigil]

objective c is probably the most dynamic language i've ever come across

[tender river]

swift (objective c if it was good)

[rigid snow]

i liked swift

oooh oh

[tender river]

toast not use smalltalk

[sage crag]

[hard raptor]

Swift is actually good yeah

[rigid snow]

i didn’t try macros after all

[tender river]

you should its a fun language even if maybe not very useful in practice because it live in its own bubble

[opaque sigil]

one day maybe

[hard raptor]

Dam... well.. w3schools online environment just broken af then

[hollow surge]

are there even usecases left for it with swift being a thing for years now

[tender river]

legacy

[sage crag]

legacy like

[opaque sigil]

probably some cursed low level integration

[sage crag]

rust

[hollow surge]

true

[young oyster]

when(x<20)
{
reconvey "less";
}
otherwise
{
reconvey "more";
}

[sage crag]

evilDentge

[tender river]

rust legacy rewrite in haskell

[sage crag]

returning string

evilDentge

[hard raptor]

I second this

[hollow surge]

haskell

[tender river]

haskell best language

[rigid snow]

i still have that exact nightly build i installed to fix lsp crashing

[sage crag]

blur

monka

[tender river]

liquid glass

[sage crag]

looks pretty solid to me

[hollow surge]

I still remember learning it back it in the day. Was cool to learn, but never worked with Haskell again

[sage crag]

liquid glass is usually more

red

[tender river]

wrr its fun but me usually work on low level code

[hollow surge]

gaseous glass when

[tender river]

i would maybe use it for server backends over rust

[sage crag]

gaseous glass isnt glass

[hollow surge]

assembly

[sage crag]

low level != assembly

in terms of code

language, sure

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[hard raptor]

Last time i checked he indeed is made of flesh and not assembly code

[sage crag]

i dont care to understand this reference

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1452069761512112159/copy_CFBD3ED9-4A88-4341-B0AF-2450399B6EE7.gif

[hollow surge]

the electrons are speaking binary

[tender river]

wrr

[sage crag]

wrrr

[tender river]

night night

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/wrrr-cat-angry-gif-10783708059666180688

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/shuukura-sendai-hazuki-story-about-buying-my-classmate-once-a-week-good-night-gif-4570780052212669849

[hollow surge]

what do you mean then?

[tender river]

hblang

no actually more like

js

js low level lang when me write it

anyway ye bye

[sage crag]

wrr

[hollow surge]

js still so popular

[sage crag]

i will reveal answer if you become banana

[young oyster]

This does not look right when scrolling by quickly

[sage crag]

looks the same to me

[hollow surge]

they say you are what you eat. I don't have bananas

[sage crag]

banana 2026 campaign

[hearty notch]

I EAT GRASS

[hard raptor]

meow

hmmm

i forgor it would install arch

[rigid snow]

ikr so weird should be a dead language by now

[hard raptor]

browsers should switch over to haskell

[sage crag]

wasm

[hard raptor]

i mean

yeah you could with wasm

but i meant like

[young plover]

Imagine where we could be if the engineers who made V8 fast worked on something actually good

[rigid snow]

[young oyster]

How does she make typos?

[nocturne olive]

LLM trained on human data -> can make common human mistakes

[sage crag]

even chatgpt makes typos sometimes

lol

[hollow surge]

it's like the metal pipe for Evil.

[young oyster]

Its an odd typo, iirc she said "myt throne" i wonder what the token for that would be, iirc llms predict forward, I could see myt proceeding throne if you were starting with throne and predicting backwards, but how would you come to use myt?

[hollow surge]

prediction as good as the weather forecast

[hollow surge]

Maybe it's a bug originating somewhere else

[young oyster]

Iirc she IS multiple AI in a trenchcoat...so...

[hollow surge]

I wonder if the filters have any influence on the output besides banning whole words

[hollow surge]

reminds me of the english language

somehow it works

[young oyster]

My brain is a bunch of neural networks in a trenchcoat (not literally...I dont own one) so I cant say much

[quick condor]

its an error in the lm head/tokenizer

[hollow surge]

maybe you can rent one in the cloud.

[hollow surge]

How does that lead to typos? (I don"t know much about llms)

[quick condor]

the LM head is the last model layer. between it and the tokenizer, the numeric optput of the other layers is converted to text

[hollow surge]

Ah I see

[quick condor]

She is. there is no way even a frontier model alone would be able to behave the way she does as even those use model switching

[fast pagoda]

she often subs single letters like a person would, it's endearing

[quick condor]

single letters is an interesting one. Tokens are not words. On average a token is 3-4 characters. In theory two tokens that make up a word could be chosen that would correctly form the word other than one letter. That is the most likely situation. The other is that Vedal intentionally injected corrupted training data with inaccurate spellings. The second option sounds unlikely and dangerous to attempt for a quirk

[rough ermine]

AMD Ryzen 5 5600x
RTX 5060 Twin Edge 8GB
32 GB (2x16) DDR4 3200Mhz RAM
1 TB SSD

Monitor: LG 27" 180Hz 1 ms

Can y'all rate this setup for gaming? Is it good enough?

[nocturne olive]

The GPU kinda on the weak side

The CPU could probably drive a much more powerful GPU

Depending on how much the GPU costs could probably get a better one used

[rough bloom]

I think I'd go for the 5060 Ti (or an equivalent previous gen card) if possible
8 GB of VRAM is not that much, and the 5060 is also just on the weaker side as far as GPUs go IIRC

[fierce light]

Does Neuro's 3D room (non-vr) have any official reference file for scale? For people who want to make more 3d for her?

[quick condor]

Case: Corsair 7000D
Motherboard: Asus X299 prime a II
Ram: 8x16 crucial balistix sport 2400 (128Gb)
CPU: Intel i9 10900x
GPU 1: Nvidia RTX 3090TI Founders Edition
GPU 2: Nvidia RTX 3090TI Founders Edition
GPU 3: Nvidia RTX A4000
PSU: Corsair HX1500i
Drives
C: WD Black SN750 1Tb
D: Samsung 870QVO 2tb
M: Intel DCS4600 960Gb
N: Intel DCS4600 960Gb
P: Crucial P1 1Tb
Cooling
Pump: Ekwb D5
Radiator 1: Alphacool NexXxos XT45 480 (push pull)
Radiator 2: EK coolstream SE120 (push)
Radiator 3: EK coolstream PE240 (push)
GPU 1 waterblock: Alphacool Eisblock Aurora
GPU 2 waterblock: Alphacool Eisblock Aurora
GPU 3 waterblock: Alphacool ES
CPU waterblock: ek supremacy
Fans: 11 Delta PFC1212DEs

Can I play Minecraft

[sage crag]

no

[olive sable]

goooodmorning

9pm

[olive sable]

thats me

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

im sourced from what?

[quick condor]

Crap, in that case would 3 5090 astrals be enough

[olive sable]

why do you even ask?

[nocturne olive]

You use Windows on that? Why?

[sage crag]

no

[nocturne olive]

Linux would probably save like an extra few GB of VRAM

[sage crag]

not about spec

cant run it because me steal your pc

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

but get those 5090s anyway, please

i just cooked a full bag of popcorn without burning any or having any unpopped

im now going to eat all of it

[olive sable]

your hardware has been seized by the triangle orginization for feeding the television

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

What if feed the NeuroSynthProject instead

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

you can have the crumbs

maybe a leftover gpu the tv didnt eat

feeding the tv is of the upmost importance tho

[nocturne olive]

Unfortunate

I would really like having those GPUs, NeuroSynth would train way faster and be like 3x higher quality

[sage crag]

feed the machine

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/can-a-boy-girl-friendship-survive-danjo-danjo-no-yuujou-wa-seiritsu-suru-anime-himari-gif-865294447203967979

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

koniiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

16 i

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

🟨

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

yellow?

[nocturne olive]

Various NeuroSynthing, not sure how many saw this but I am not sure how good it is

[olive sable]

i will kill the next person comparing me to mcdonalds btw

[sage crag]

2026 banana campaign

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

hi iggly

[amber fractal]

[rough bloom]

I wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't said it now

Streisand effect already in action

[olive sable]

not a single word

i said "the next" cuz it already happened before

[nocturne olive]

First time I did anything finished with this dynamics style on tuning

[rough bloom]

ye I will stay quiet
but I will never unsee

[olive sable]

i cant do this

you all make me suffer

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiwami-2-yakuza-kiwami-2-yakuza-2-slamming-desk-gif-7817746537201906733

[nocturne olive]

Oh look SamVanTriangle blue again

Got got by Papyrus

[olive sable]

no more blue

im gonna actually have a crashout

[nocturne olive]

No way Sam is the color of banned user now

[sage crag]

2026 banana campaign

upgraded to 2027 banana campaign

[olive sable]

stop or i will actually hire a VA isntead of using neurosynth

[nocturne olive]

Wuah

I guess I won't be silly then

[olive sable]

i wasnt joking when i said i was gonna crashout

[nocturne olive]

OhISee

I've forced a power limit onto my primary GPU and a super agressive fan curve on my bottom GPU so that I can actually play games without thermal issues

Also I keep the window open to the -13 or so degrees air

[warped narwhal]

I see you've chosen the colour of mayonnaise

[olive sable]

we are not friends

[warped narwhal]

:(

[opaque sigil]

I'm concerned if your mayo looks like this

Unless he changed it again

[warped narwhal]

He changed it from white to green

[opaque sigil]

[warped narwhal]

Looks more like the inside of a lime or kiwi now

[hard raptor]

Are we tho?

[olive sable]

we should be fine

[hard raptor]

Yay

[olive sable]

for now

[hard raptor]

For now

Until i talk about your roads

[olive sable]

nah thats fine

[hard raptor]

Shouldn't you be like working on your new home?

Siwwy

[olive sable]

[hard raptor]

I just realized

Bro gave me all his names

I can find out where his new home is

[olive sable]

me?

or afyun

[hard raptor]

No fonyon

[olive sable]

he gave his lastname to you too?

[hard raptor]

And his middle name

[olive sable]

[hard raptor]

Tbf.. he's the one that gets all my demos and "finished" versions

[olive sable]

[quick condor]

I had to do something like this on the 3090tis when I had the stock coolers. It helps significantly

[nocturne olive]

Sily

[molten island]

me read something about rust
@
me click some random link
@

[young plover]

Handleable failures are a conspiracy by C programmers who can't guarantee success with the type system.

[olive sable]

should i have a pause icon when its paused, or a play icon when its paused?

[warped narwhal]

play when paused, pause when playing.

the button should show what will happen if you click it

[olive sable]

okay

[olive sable]

im replacing some bad scripts with modules that do the same thing and such

but mpris is killing me

the {position} thing also increments when paused

[visual pawn]

I think if it's a button it should be "what will this do if I click it" whereas if it's just a status icon it should be "what is the state right now"

[olive sable]

its a button ye

or well

the whole thing is clickable

so at first i thought of it as a status icon

but its easier to think of it as a button since im mostly clicking the icon

[visual pawn]

like the clickable section encompasses more than just the pause/play icon?

[olive sable]

ye

[visual pawn]

hmmm

[olive sable]

the title and such are also clickable

[visual pawn]

does it need a persistent pause/play icon then?

[azure lynx]

change the text from || to |> and back and not have an icon?

[visual pawn]

can take a cue from youtube fullscreen UI basically

[azure lynx]

could also use a font which has the icon

[visual pawn]

where the bar will have an explicit button but it will display the opposite Pause or Play icon when you actually do it

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

i am ye

[azure lynx]

what is the button actually meant to convey? perhaps you could show a red light or green light under a rectangle that you can press to represent stop or go?

[visual pawn]

I dunno if I missed it but yeah I have no context for what you're making lol

[azure lynx]

not very colorblind good though

[olive sable]

i would show a screenshot but i kinda broke it 4 mina go

just like a player thingy

[visual pawn]

if it's meant to be a player of sorts, then I think effectively copying some popular player interface is basically the way to go

assuming the intended audience fits that

not literally copy, just the basic concepts

and the flow

[azure lynx]

"a switch which changes appearance when toggled" could be any animation sequence, playing from either the start to the finish or backwards from the finish to the start depending on the toggled value. go wild.

could even have completely different animations

[sick owl]

The fuck is a "soul computer" ↓

Oh its another one of these -_-

[obsidian mantle]

google glasses?

[visual pawn]

AR glasses yeah

[sick owl]

Always listening AI RAG trinkets

[visual pawn]

https://youtu.be/dGA8-CkaSOk?t=42
"one of the brightest and widest fields of view"

[sick owl]

Just with google glass shit this time

[obsidian mantle]

ai powered google glasses

[sick owl]

"The era of soul computing"

Holy marketing jargon

[visual pawn]

man, I dunno how many people actually used google glass back in the day but it was ass

it wasn't AR at all

[obsidian mantle]

what do they mean by soul

[visual pawn]

it was a sticky note in the very corner of your field of view

[sick owl]

That's what AR glasses are now tbf, the FOV isn't that impressive

[sick owl]

God knows

[visual pawn]

at least AR glasses now can have some level of tracking; well depending on which

[sick owl]

This is such a scam lmao

[visual pawn]

like I'd call the Hololens legitimate AR, along with any VR/MR headset

[sick owl]

Fair, though with the exception of Meta most of the current glasses are waveguide which isn't too different

Larger and sharper but still monocolour and projected without tracking

[visual pawn]

well, with a form factor like that, I assume it's that yeah

[sick owl]

Personally the main thing for me with smart glasses is I don't see a practical reason to have them at the price point they sell for

[olive sable]

the tech is cool, the glasses look stupid

[sick owl]

Then there's also the privacy concerns which aren't helped by the fact the three leading offerings are Meta and two Chinese companies

[visual pawn]

I've tried doing daily tasks with a quest 3 on and it's doable

but I don't think I'd ever go outside like that

[sick owl]

I will say the even reality G2s look pretty nice

In terms of actually being kind of fashionable

[olive sable]

those are alright

[sick owl]

They have a rounded one too which looks decent

But again £600 for a pebble watch on your eyes

Not great value

[visual pawn]

I think we're at a stage where if it looks decent, then it doesn't offer much more than a smart watch

[olive sable]

ye

[visual pawn]

and for it to do something actually neat, it needs to look a bit dumb

[olive sable]

need to assemble a team to make AR waifus before these can get popular

[visual pawn]

I did my thesis on VR in radiology but I could never get to the stage of actually justifying it yet

at best I could reach non-inferiority

[olive sable]

but the AR waifus tho

[sick owl]

The third option aside from Meta and Even Realities is Rokid, but while they have a healthy open software ecosystem they look dumb as hell

And like Even Realities you have to contend with the fact you're wearing a Chinese made camera device on your face all day

[olive sable]

a bit too thick

[sick owl]

While Meta is, well, Meta

Also not exactly comforting to have watching your POV 24/7

[olive sable]

but yuo need to put the battery somewhere so idk

[visual pawn]

well most people don't really care about stuff like it being from Meta

they just care about it being convenient

[olive sable]

ive seen blind people use it

"hey meta waht is this" or soem shit

[sick owl]

They're great as assistive tech, blind people also get a better value prop since they can use the ray ban wayfarers instead of buying the screen one

That's like a quarter the price

[olive sable]

battery would be a lot beetter too

[sick owl]

Gemini 3 Pro throwing in a (yes, really)

I love how the Gemini models sometimes just make off hand comments like that

[slow glade]

Rendahhhh

[olive sable]

you're paused, stop incrementing the time

[obsidian mantle]

That sounds like such an easy to fix bug

[olive sable]

it is not

[obsidian mantle]

Wait do you have source

[olive sable]

playerctl just reports it wrong

[warped narwhal]

Then that's a bug in the app your getting info from

[obsidian mantle]

oh

[warped narwhal]

Mpris guarantees that when the player is paused the time does not go up

[olive sable]

false

i used mpris

i tried a custom script

it just doesnt work

[warped narwhal]

The standard guarantees it, the app implemented the standard wrong

[obsidian mantle]

What happens when you unpause?
Can it become something like
10:22/4:10

[olive sable]

so then its firefox's fault?

or yt music?

[obsidian mantle]

Or does it restore it back to actual timestamp after unpausing

[olive sable]

nope, it just continues

[obsidian mantle]

So if you pause

Let it become 4:00/4:10

Unpause

20 seconds pass

4:20/4:10?

[olive sable]

nah

it caps out at the max

[obsidian mantle]

[olive sable]

it also just disappears sometimes

[obsidian mantle]

And we need the app to provide the info because it can be played from any moment of song not just from 0:00

[olive sable]

ye

[obsidian mantle]

What info do you have anyway

Besides this faulty timestamp

[olive sable]

anything playerctl provides

[obsidian mantle]

Does it say if it's paused

Are there other sources of timestamp

Can we calculate it ourselves

Tracking current situation and taking time from other source

[olive sable]

ye, so in theory i can save the time it got paused and keep it static, but when it continues it will need to use the one provided still

unless we increment it by 1 ourselves

but then it wont work if we skip 5 seconds

[obsidian mantle]

you can track weird time changes

Changed more than +1 = was rewinded

Add to our own timer

[warped narwhal]

Is this the actual YouTube music player, or the normal YouTube player? Try it on the other one that you are on right now and see if it behaves differently

[olive sable]

ye but if the incorrect timer reaches the end of the song that stops working

[olive sable]

the yt music one

ill test the normal one

[warped narwhal]

Cause I remember using eww with playerctl and it worked fine on normal yt, so it might just be yt music that's broken

[obsidian mantle]

Is there really no other way to take it out

The timestamp

[olive sable]

hmm. the normal youtube one seems to pause fine

[warped narwhal]

So yt music is fucked as usual

[fierce light]

Can't you do AR as an entire room fitted with projectors?

or does it have to be via small screen only?

[warped narwhal]

There would be no depth to the effect

[obsidian mantle]

They should invest into directly projecting shit into the brain

Fuck eyes

What if my vision is not perfect

Does it account for that

[fierce light]

Get AR eyes

[obsidian mantle]

Glasses but you need perfect eyesight

But idk how it works

[warped narwhal]

If we keep the screen at 144p will you there even be a difference

[obsidian mantle]

Actually idk

[sick owl]

https://www.genrobot.ai/products/das

Oh this is clever

Its a handheld gripper thingy for collecting robotics data without teleop or master/slave setups

Might have to try my hand at making a scuffed DIY version

[obsidian mantle]

Have you finished building it

Does it work

[sick owl]

I haven't started building it

[obsidian mantle]

Oh

[olive sable]

you need stuff to be shifted slightly for each eye to create the depth perception

[obsidian mantle]

True true

[sick owl]

For now this is my data collection method

https://github.com/box2ai-robotics/joycon-robotics

[obsidian mantle]

Ancient vr technology

[olive sable]

true

[obsidian mantle]

How does it work? It actually moves things and records the results? Or its some kind of simulation?

[sick owl]

You remote control the arms using the joycon gyro and buttons while filming either from the arms POV or from a third person perspective, then use the servo data and visual feed combined to fine tune a VLA on the task you want completed

[obsidian mantle]

Or is it pretrained ai

How fast is it

[sick owl]

Anyway for now this is all theoretical, I won't have my robot arm built until probably around the jan 8th

I'm midway through it right now but a part snapped so I had to rush an express printing order on a replacement

Typical PLA

[obsidian mantle]

Do you train it for 50h so it can pick up a can of beer

Why ai? What does ai do exactly

Mostly for visual stuff?

[sick owl]

You know what, there's a good if slightly outdated video that'll give you the general idea here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeBLc2D6bvg&t=121s

AI is used since it can self correct during the execution of actions and generally provide a degree of autonomy, and takes text input -> outputs physical actions

[visual pawn]

if you can go for PLA pro, go for it, it's only a bit more but it's a lot more robust

[sick owl]

Yeah I'm using PLA+, tbh it might just have been a shoddy print on the suppliers part

Poor quality filament or something

[visual pawn]

if you're getting into the hundreds, it might be more worth it to get your own printer

at least for PLA

I think the SO-ARM100 parts were like, $10 of material total for me

on a $150 printer

[sick owl]

For me it was around £90 but I'd also ordinarily just use my unis printers for this stuff

Only reason I got these shipped was because they don't like you using your own filament at the uni and they only offer standard PLA, Resin or PetG

[visual pawn]

you can get into the dilemna where your home printer is better than what's at uni/work

[sick owl]

My uni has top of the line printers so it defo wouldn't be

We're talking ultimakers

[visual pawn]

I have an ultimaker method at work, and it's just so much worse than my home printer

[obsidian mantle]

Makes no sense

Why is that

[visual pawn]

it's a lot less reliable, I've had to fix so many individual parts on it

the heat blanket came off and started hitting a limit switch early for one

the enclosure just doesn't retain heat very well in general as well

and I used to rely on it when I needed a dual extruder printer for separate support materials, but I can do that at home now too

[sick owl]

Other thing is I lowkey wouldn't want a 3d printer in my regular living space

Nanoparticulate and all that

[visual pawn]

it's why I built a sealed enclosure for mine

[obsidian mantle]

Its like microplastic stuff?

[visual pawn]

just a filter seems to work fine for an FDM printer unless you're printing a ton of ABS or something

oh yeah, the $9000 Method looks like it'd be enclosed but

it actually just vents all the nanoparticulate out

without even a filter

[obsidian mantle]

Vent it outside the window

[visual pawn]

and you need to buy this ridiculous add-on if you want a filter https://www.matterhackers.com/store/l/makerbot-clean-air-system-for-makerbot-method-3d-printers/sk/MKSWKCUJ

I vent my resin printer out a window

that shit is really bad filter or no filter

[sick owl]

Yeah 3d printers create an insane amount of not even micro but nanoplastics

[visual pawn]

so I modded mine with a duct and in-line fan to keep negative pressure at all times

it does depend on the material though

[sick owl]

They literally bypass the blood brain barrier and bioaccumulate on your brain

Really nasty stuff

[visual pawn]

like ABS tends to be worse by a lot than PLA

[sick owl]

True, but none of it is stuff you wanna mess with if you don't have a dedicated filtration system, enclosure + washer or separate space for maker stuff like a garage workshop

[olive sable]

negative presure? i thought positive pressure was preferred?

[visual pawn]

positive pressure if you want to keep a room sterile

but I don't want anything in the 3D printer enclosure to get out

so I want negative instead

[olive sable]

oh the enclosure

[obsidian mantle]

[olive sable]

i thought we were talking "presure advance??????"

idk the term

[azure lynx]

if you're that afraid of it, you probably shouldn't have it because the stress of the possibility that filter might fail will affect your health more than any potential harm should it actually occur.

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[visual pawn]

I just mean my DLP resin printer has a negative pressure system

my FDM printer I'm fine with a filter

but I also almost never print ABS at home

[olive sable]

oh ye

resin has fumes

[visual pawn]

I print ABS at work because we need the temperature resistance, but otherwise ABS isn't much of an advantage

also, I've never had a good experience with a resin printer in a shared space

[olive sable]

i mostly print pla and tpu

[visual pawn]

people get the resin everywhere and never clean up

[obsidian mantle]

yeah does it really matter when you live in a city
Sometimes i go out smoke at night and it smells funny because we got factories not so far away from me

[olive sable]

i love eating and sleeping in microplastics

[visual pawn]

I'd say it really depends on the material in regards to whether it matters

but smoking is gonna be a way bigger issue lol

[olive sable]

ye

[azure lynx]

might leave a good fossil. preserved forever for future scientists to study.

[obsidian mantle]

Like someone said
"I am microplastic"

[visual pawn]

if I understand right, the issue with PLA is rarely ever the PLA itself unless accidentally heated to crazy high temperatures

but rather the additives that can be in some PLA filaments

[olive sable]

i think so ye

[sick owl]

PLA itself produces way less toxic fumes but the nanoparticulate issue remains

The biodegradable label is quite misleading, it only breaks down under very specific conditions

[olive sable]

i heard carbon fiber filaments are a scam too because none of the stress gets transferred to the CB cuz its jsut in there and not properly attached with an interface material

[azure lynx]

the distinct smell when you print PLA comes from additives to make it not break when on the spool (afaict). Coz after it's printed, that smell either isn't there or is really really faint.

[visual pawn]

it depends on what you actually want the carbon fiber for iirc but

it's not gonna make it particularly strong or anything yeah

[olive sable]

ye

[sick owl]

Its not an automatic win but if you design around it then it can improve structural integrity quite a lot

[obsidian mantle]

Have you guys considered metal

[visual pawn]

but it won't be like, a carbon fiber composite material

I've considered metal but I'd probably sooner get a CNC machine

[sick owl]

Yeah at that point you might as well go for CNC

[visual pawn]

the rare times I need a metal part that can't be CNCed, I'd 3rd party order it

same goes with stuff like PEEK plastic

[olive sable]

its not really stronger in the direction of the fibers because the fiber isnt properly interfacing with pla.
it might be a bit stronger perfendicualr tho

[azure lynx]

i've made combat robots (3lb class) with aluminum a couple of times but it's too expensive to get machined and can be bent relatively easily for its weight. I mostly use TPU for the body now, with steel armor strips. (but I've also lost almost all of my fights.)

[olive sable]

or so ive heard

[visual pawn]

some of the parts I have to print for work need to be sterilizable under either autoclave heat and/or hydrogen peroxide plasma but also survive being thrown around by the people doing the sterilization

and I still have yet to find a material I'd actually call perfect, at least nothing that doesn't cost a stupid amount we don't have the budget for

[olive sable]

almost as in you almost lost all of your fingers but you still have them all, or you lost a decent amount of them but you still have some?

[visual pawn]

I mostly use PA 12 Nylon now, with the note that it can't be autoclaved

[sick owl]

I have so much respect for combat robot builders, used to love Robot Wars

[visual pawn]

I can't use metal either because of imaging artifacts; and doubly so if the metal is ferromagnetic

[sick owl]

I could never put in the time to design and build a robot just for it to potentially be smashed like that, I'd get too attached

Takes nerves of steel

[visual pawn]

I don't want to be the person they use as an example in every MRI safety course

[fast pagoda]

chris broad was on robot wars as a kid

[azure lynx]

in 4 competitions i've won like 3 fights out of about 9 or something with 3 different robots. i'm too stupid to give up.

[sick owl]

Wait really?!

What season was it

[visual pawn]

The victor is not victorious if the vanquished does not consider himself so

[fast pagoda]

@sick owl yeah with his dad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PUhLs8Q3gI