programming

[olive sable]

hmmm

[umbral thorn]

anyway

[warm river]

fan is dusty as shit tho

[nocturne olive]

For me expensive is like, more than 40-50€

[quick condor]

If Alphacool has one for your model it's a solid option

[olive sable]

if you can feel hot air the thermal paste shouldnt be too much of a problem

altho getting new thermal paste always helps

[warm river]

i hope my xbox isnt broken

i love this console

[quick condor]

They come with new paste and pads

[nocturne olive]

I don't lack paste personally

I have plenty

[olive sable]

or you can jsut get an unbranded one for 40 bucks

works just as well, since its literally just a block of metal

well, a machined block of metal

[quick condor]

I mean tolerances are kinda important

[nocturne olive]

Is a waterblock even worth it for a GPU? And do they got AIOs of those because I don't have a custom loop setup on my system

[olive sable]

depends

1 or 2 gpus you dont really need it

[quick condor]

They make modular custom loops but they cost a bit more

[umbral thorn]

if u use aio on gpu u cant cool vrm

[nocturne olive]

Hem?

[olive sable]

the coolers they come with mostly handle it fine unless you do heavy oc

[umbral thorn]

meh

[nocturne olive]

Which VRMs?

[olive sable]

gpu

[umbral thorn]

quack can get waterblock + pipes + radiator for $30

[nocturne olive]

Well my 2 GPUs go from the bottom plate of the case as one continuous block of heatsink

[umbral thorn]

$150 too much, not worth

but hascrack rich so

[olive sable]

ye but as long as you put some case fans infront its fine

[quick condor]

3 didn't fit well even with a 7000d for the case

[nocturne olive]

I just don't really think I want to worry about a custom loop setup right now, I've just heard it's kinda scary

[nocturne olive]

There's already my CPU AIO in the front

[olive sable]

still

[umbral thorn]

just external mount

[olive sable]

as long as theres case fans its ifne

[umbral thorn]

duh

[ebon basin]

What do hebtic suit for VR use as input are they just genrelized?

[quick condor]

It is and isn't. To be fair I started with AIO plus gpu custom

[nocturne olive]

Well there would still be at least one on the output side

[umbral thorn]

[ebon basin]

My idea would be Vedal could use the same interface/API like them for simulating "touch"

[nocturne olive]

Could a single 280mm radiator even cool two GPUs?

[olive sable]

ye but the output is behind.
intake is a lot more important anyways

[nocturne olive]

The intake is all my CPU radiator

[olive sable]

thats fine

[quick condor]

Mine looks kinda scary but it's mostly because of how much heat is being dumped in the system. A 3090 and 4070ti + cpu could be handled by a 360mm or 2 240mms

[olive sable]

its not like your cpu rad is super-heating that air to 220.000C

[nocturne olive]

The CPU radiator wouldn't fit on the exhaust side because the max that fits on that side is 280mm and my CPU one is 360mm

[quick condor]

I just have so much crap to cool

[nocturne olive]

Yeah it shouldn't be

[olive sable]

so its fine

[warm river]

what the fuck is wrong with my xbox 360

[nocturne olive]

Just, custom loop scary so if I was to watercool my GPU I'd want a self-contained cooling loop

[warm river]

why when pvz isnt put inside dvd drive it works?

[umbral thorn]

this me pc, quack build

[quick condor]

The 480mm can handle 900w alone no problem

[warm river]

but if i put it again it works fine

[olive sable]

is the drive corrupted?

[nocturne olive]

And it'd probably be watercooling the 3090 because then the 4070Ti would probably get air pretty well

[warm river]

no its fine

it works on my second 360 normally

only on this one it happens

[olive sable]

the dvd drive is probably bad

[umbral thorn]

360mm can handle threadripper till 1200W btw btw
it just depend how big ur chip die & heat density

[azure lynx]

could be bad ram? not sure how to check on 360 but it's basically a computer so probably memtest86 can be run on it somehow?

[olive sable]

or the game files of pvz that are being stored on the xbox itslef are corrupt

[olive sable]

if its bad ram it should also crash in other games

[nocturne olive]

Elvy are there some sort of self-contained liquid cooling setups for 3090s?

[azure lynx]

maybe it just uses ram differently to other games and happens to crash on this one?

[umbral thorn]

same 360mm can handle 420W for lga1700
but only 240W on am5 cpu

[warm river]

in cod mw3 dvd it works normally on both of consoles

just pvz one

[nocturne olive]

As in an AIO but for the GPU?

[umbral thorn]

why u want aio on gpu

[warm river]

i don't have even to turn game on it just need be in drive

[nocturne olive]

So I don't have to mess with a scary and expensive custom loop setup?

[azure lynx]

did you get the error code?

[olive sable]

you sound like you want to watercool for the sake of watercooling or soemthing. cuz you dont really need it

[umbral thorn]

ye u will not cool ur vrm

& vram

not gud move

[warm river]

idk i'm dumb or smth but nothing happens when i try to lol

[olive sable]

there should be blocks that cover the vram and drms, but not with a cpu aio

and the aio that get made for gpu are full pgus

[nocturne olive]

I would think an AIO setup designed for a GPU would handle that though? Or some sort of backplate for anything for the backside?

[umbral thorn]

[olive sable]

thats a cpu aio

[nocturne olive]

Hem

That is not what I was thinking of exactly

[olive sable]

from what i can find the aio for gpu are really expensive compared to cpu

[umbral thorn]

gpu aio very very expensive n has special design for mount

[olive sable]

like 200 for one with a 3090 block

[umbral thorn]

u maybe even need custom made plate

[quick condor]

Really depends more on what you consider a stable loop temperature. My coolant sits at 60c with full load (1400w) across a 480, 240, and 480mm but that's due to fan speed not getting cranked up

[olive sable]

jsut use a case fan, you dont need an aio

watercooling is stupid at this small scale

[nocturne olive]

So I guess I'm just stuck with my GPUs not getting air

[olive sable]

cpus don't even need it

fans are jsut better

water is bad, only causes problems

[olive sable]

put le case fans infornt

[nocturne olive]

I already have as many fans as I can fit

[quick condor]

I mean can't really get much worse than the 90c die and 105c vram temps I was hitting on air

[umbral thorn]

way easier to cool whole system if u measure with watt becuz total die area very big

that why u can't measure with watt

[nocturne olive]

The GPUs just so happen to fully fill the space starting from the bottom panel of the case and ending at the backplate of the 4070Ti

So they don't get much of the air going past them

[olive sable]

i feel like thats jsut a mismatch between what the heatsink you got was designed to handle and what the heat output was

[umbral thorn]

me fan cooler can handle 460W

but threadripper

[olive sable]

ye

[quick condor]

Pre custom loop. Nothing was able to help with airflow

[umbral thorn]

uggo

[opaque sigil]

[nocturne olive]

At least I'm pretty sure these idle temps mean that they're not getting much air

[umbral thorn]

[quick condor]

More that two FE cards are big and blocked airflow

[umbral thorn]

quaaacckkkk

ur lurkin

[nocturne olive]

55C and 60C doesn't seem normal

[umbral thorn]

[quick condor]

That's choked af

[umbral thorn]

riser

[nocturne olive]

Hem

[umbral thorn]

ye

[nocturne olive]

To where?

[umbral thorn]

riser

[nocturne olive]

I assume you mean for the 3090 but where would I even put it, in between the CPU AIO and the 4070Ti? I don't even know if there's space there

[olive sable]

the airflow to the cpu should be coming form the top front fans tho

[nocturne olive]

No I don't think a 3090 would fit there

I don't know, I'm clueless as to what to do without making my PC volatile

[olive sable]

does your case not have air holes in the bottom???

you said it was against the bottom plate and i thought that was fine since surely it has air holes

[nocturne olive]

It kinda does but also they're meant for fans and just go down into a big basement full of cables

They're also not quite aligned with the GPUs

[quick condor]

thats more normal. something wasnt loaded

[nocturne olive]

So only like 70% at most overlaps with the 3090's air intake

[nocturne olive]

Of 2 very bad 120mm fan slots

[nocturne olive]

Why are you using that much VRAM at once?

[olive sable]

do you have the space to put fans there? if not at the top maybe on the underside?

[nocturne olive]

The bottom side has cables in the way

The top side has 3090 in the way

[true hemlock]

just found another dealer while in china

[olive sable]

if its psu cables you can jsut manage those to the back

[true hemlock]

my business is saved, 16gb ddr4 dimms for $30

bulk buy

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

I think it's one of the GPU power cables

[umbral thorn]

wtf

[olive sable]

quack let me buy 16 of those

im joking

unless

[nocturne olive]

Insane

[olive sable]

is it separate dimms or ones made to be put together?

[true hemlock]

separate

[olive sable]

ah

so you'l need to manually match them?

[true hemlock]

nah its ddr4

easy

[nocturne olive]

It's DDR4 it's fiiiineeee

[true hemlock]

also its ddr4-3600 cl20

[olive sable]

eh

not too bad not too great

[true hemlock]

considering its 3600, its great

[olive sable]

30 bucks for that seems fair if we ignore what happened in the last year

[true hemlock]

they have the really niche hynix die aswell

but 2x8gb is $600 each

[olive sable]

my standards may be too high? i have cl16

[true hemlock]

ddr4-4400 cl14

iirc

[olive sable]

low capacity but really high speed

[true hemlock]

its a godbin

though the specific dealer offered me $300 for it

should i negotiate

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

i need to beat the triangle score clean

my samsung B die is only rated for lower CL

[nocturne olive]

Well I guess nobody has any better ideas for how to get my GPUs to not overheat

[true hemlock]

not extreme high clocks

[olive sable]

oh actually, did i even save the config file i used to beat my pb?

hmmmm

shhiiii

[true hemlock]

this one iirc can clock above 5200mt/s

anyways

[nocturne olive]

Your DDR4 is now DDR5

[true hemlock]

i got 48 dimms for the 16gb

[true hemlock]

fuck you ddr5s your ddr4

[olive sable]

i should have version controlled my nixos but i dint have git installed yet

fuck

[nocturne olive]

Heh

My RAM sucks compared to that, barely runs at 3800 and doesn't take 4000 at all

[umbral thorn]

and me thought u not wasteful too...

[true hemlock]

shhh

i only buy either cheap value stuff or expensive niche stuff

unlike certain "this won't fly on my job" that throws out scalability and gets scammed for overpriced server parts

[quick condor]

I mean Im runing much slower but then again its 24 32gb dimms

[true hemlock]

12x64gb ddr5 my beloved

my epyc 9655 can handle 6000mt/s on that apparently

godbin

[quick condor]

well really between the two servers its 48x32

[true hemlock]

i kind of wanted to get another 12x64gb dimm but man the price rn

and i'll be forced to run at 4800mt/s

i'll be fine with 768GB for now

[quick condor]

Ikr. I'm really tempted to sell it and go back to 16gb dimms I have

[true hemlock]

i don't wanna sell mine

but anywayssss

[quick condor]

I don't either but like money

[true hemlock]

another 6x22TB sas arrived but im not in Australia rn

fuckkk

also ordered my bulk 4tb nvme

all i need rn

is the 3090

which im hoping my specific dealer still have them on stock

rn they only have 3080Ti

and 6900xt

12 more days till im back to Australia

just hoping bro can restock the 3090 in that short of time

[glad path]

how long do yall think c++ will hold the majority for

[olive sable]

i think this is either the version i used or a version pretty recent to the one i used
@true hemlock use this to beat the record, unless konii finishes her optemized version.
this file could be a lot more optemized btw but i copied a lot of stuff from konii's config that probably doens teven need to be there cuz idk what parts are needed for labwc

[glad path]

also why do i have cat ears AGAIN

[azure lynx]

I've had my 3090 for 5 years, 1 month, 10 days and some hours. best investment ever.

[olive sable]

ive had mine for like 8 months or so

pretty cool

not too expensive

[true hemlock]

can i hit 300K

[olive sable]

probably

[true hemlock]

fuck it

im taking the hynix die dimm

[olive sable]

i could git 125k coming from 55k

[true hemlock]

and use that

[nocturne olive]

3090s are peak
Though mine makes my other GPU and itself not get much air

[olive sable]

here at #programming we're responsible with our money
we surely wouldnt spend $300 to beat a community driven competition

[true hemlock]

surely i still have the custom bios to unlock my 13900 es

else i'll just use 13950hx es

[olive sable]

7.9GHz

[true hemlock]

ln2 i could probably do 8.3ghz or more

i need to find where the fuck can i find ln2 setup in my home town though

yes, the 7.6ghz sustained wasn't ln2

though its liquid metal

because i only use 2 active p cores

so heat density would be ass

so LM has to be used

damn it

i already have

like

most of the high end chip

but all of them are engi sample

and qs

[quick condor]

wait using 11 delta pfc1212des in a desktop isnt smart

[true hemlock]

13900 es
13950hx es
13980hx qs modt
7950x es (probably qs)

does the 12900 es count

[olive sable]

im seeing 3 options to whats happening
either some power related component is dying like the PSU and one of the components uses more power for during pvz than for cod
or pvz is installed on the xbox's local flash memory and the memory chips are failing or corrupt making the xbox fail

[true hemlock]

maybeeee

[olive sable]

you're jsut trying to flex again
and it is not a bad idea, jsut far form cost effective

you have way too much money spent on dumb things

[azure lynx]

but it's dumb to not spend enough on things. so obviously it's not dumb to spend way too much money on them. ;]

[olive sable]

well

[azure lynx]

just trying Neuro-style logic ;]

[quick condor]

they were being thrown out at work

[olive sable]

ah

in that case its fair

altho i think those use a lot of power

[quick condor]

only startup but I have only pwm and tac ran to mb. power and grounds are run to their own psu cables

[olive sable]

separate psu for the fans

or did i misunderstand that?

oh

cables

[olive sable]

a car and a house would be before that on my list of things to buy

[gritty dust]

hm....... I have acess to liquid nitrogen and cnc machining for copper... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i have a 2026 goal

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-a-new-foe-has-appeared-challenger-approaching-gif-16334728

[gritty dust]

lol

[nocturne olive]

My list of things to buy is

• GPU
• Other PC parts for a secondary computer
• GPU
• GPU
• Hard drives

SynthV was there but they made it not work on my system

[quick condor]

I dont have access to ln2 unfortunately lCO2 and lN2O sure but not lN2

[gritty dust]

my chem lab has some ln2 that i could probably borrow

[olive sable]

"borrow"

[gritty dust]

'borrow forever'

[olive sable]

when you use liquid nirtrogen you aint getting it back in the tank

[gritty dust]

Lol fairrrr

[quick condor]

I personally have a couple 50lb co2 tanks with dip tubes as well as a few 50 lb N2O tanks

[amber fractal]

The only money I can spend is my sanity

[olive sable]

i should sponsor people and then they advertise me

[amber fractal]

2026 triangle leaderboard 2

[olive sable]

im debating if we should make a more complicated triangle

or more complaicated scene in general

[amber fractal]

red prism for rt

[olive sable]

ye but like

fragment shader is one thing to optemise

if we have multiple objects youd have more difficulty with optemizing it

potentially needing to split it into seperate shaders

[amber fractal]

It'd be a reason for me to not oss the changes, so I can get more fps

[olive sable]

what does oss mean?

[quick condor]

I hate flash attention

[amber fractal]

open source in this case

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

I need to beat quack somehow

[olive sable]

just to set some rules

[true hemlock]

no

[quick condor]

Perfectly normal compile

[amber fractal]

A boy can dream

[olive sable]

it doesn't exactly need to be consumer hardware. but it needs to be able to run on a normal pc

custom BIOS or whatever sure

[true hemlock]

nooooo

mines not a normal pc

[olive sable]

but needs to be recreatable on other pcs

[true hemlock]

[olive sable]

not jsut "works on my pc"

[amber fractal]

if docker works, it is valid

[olive sable]

ye

[olive sable]

should be fine tho

custom bios and firmware is allowed

jsut needs to be recreatable

[true hemlock]

some benchmark software refuses to log my scores because of my weird cpu lmao

[amber fractal]

do not mod the entire os for more fps

[olive sable]

ill allow it

[true hemlock]

just oss it

[olive sable]

ye

[amber fractal]

seems like we are all in agreement on what the bounds are then

[true hemlock]

optimisation matters

see

koni beat my score

out of pure optimization

[olive sable]

cant wait for 10800X3D overclcoked to 400W

[amber fractal]

🔥

[true hemlock]

watch my 10950X engi sample

[amber fractal]

anyone know where that config is, I can't find it

[olive sable]

the new one?

[amber fractal]

I'll take the one you used, I'm desperate for a better score

[olive sable]

i forgot to manually save it, this is form an autosave

so idk if it works

but it should

[true hemlock]

honestly

im only afraid of one person

for this benchmark

[amber fractal]

surely not me

[true hemlock]

but technically my fault for letting her play around my niche shit lol

[olive sable]

\

[amber fractal]

I'm not getting a desktop this year so I'll never be in the winner's bracket

[olive sable]

spill the beans

who?

[amber fractal]

Elvy

[true hemlock]

who else

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

that one black magic fuckery

[olive sable]

when the game releases im gonna buy you a "untitled band game" branded pc maybe

[true hemlock]

(she won the mc chunk gen benchmark with a god damn threadripper... by a huge margin)

and I can't replicate that shit

even beat the c2me GPU numbers btw

[olive sable]

i know shipping hardware via post has import costs, but if i take it with me as a carry-on lugage it should be fine no???

[quick condor]

An example of how AI cant do everything: claude is incapable of remembering:
PATH="/xxxx/xxxx/venv/bin:$PATH" MAX_JOBS=10 pip install flash-attn --no-build-isolation

[true hemlock]

is it even right to call those models "AI"

[quick condor]

fair

[amber fractal]

I fear even 3090 results if a c2me gpu attempt was done

[true hemlock]

no lol she beat it by really far

i forgot her scores

[amber fractal]

I want to say 20k

[quick condor]

I did have gpt claude and grock argue about if anything was wrong with my stack last night... that was fun. GPT lost its shit over some of it

[true hemlock]

but even 3090 gets no more than 800 chunk per second

and this fucker gets 4.5k cps

iirc the bench done by c2me devs on 80+ threads xeons only hit 600ish

[amber fractal]

Where is the usb drive

I want my ventoy boi so I can flash the usb-c ssd

[rain flame]

i have learned somthing about a specific language

For beginners C++:
Pros: hah, lol
Cons: You now hate your life

[nocturne olive]

She'd need to figure out how to use Linux though

[amber fractal]

Alright, new ventoy fodder

[azure lynx]

blinks, ignoring the "LlamaEngine.cpp" and "ThoughtModel.cpp" files open in VSCode.
No idea what you're talking about.

[rain flame]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

does anyone know why Vedal always has ParSec open on his taskbar during streams?

[glad path]

im finding its not that bad

[rain flame]

sorry lemme change smth

[ivory plinth]

[glad path]

not yet atleast

[rain flame]

ok fixed reread the msg

guys......

my storage bar, ITS RED!

[glad path]

i have little to no experience with c++ btw

[rain flame]

what abt any other language

[glad path]

i know it enough to use it without too much hassle

[rain flame]

whatchu coding with it

[glad path]

i mean

ive used c++, c, java, python, bash, ppl/hpppl

might be something i'm missing

im probably best at python, c++, and hpppl

hpppl is the most obscure language ever though

since its for the hp prime graphing calculator and not meant for anything else

[rain flame]

i can do C#, Java, ReactJS, TypeScript, ur avg web stack, and Python

[azure lynx]

C++ is fine to write small things in. when you start needing to use other people's stuff it can get painful when two libraries treat their objects in different ways.

[rain flame]

oh and GDScript

[glad path]

it's low level enough you can avoid using libraries sometimes

only actual lib ive ever used in c++ is pybind11

since I dont use c++ often

(im trying to get better at it which is in fact working very well)

[rain flame]

do you do the md code '''for code'''

no

how do you do it is it ' ' ' like this? ' ' '

no

[versed shore]

Hi

[azure lynx]

the key beside the 1

[stray dragon]

```language
code
```

[rain flame]

OOOOOOOO

` and ' look the same bro

doing diffusion stuff step: 50/300
``` this is gonna be fun (btw its been 10 mins)

ah, you wait 15 mins and then:

doing diffusion stuff step: 50/300
doing diffusion stuff step: 100/300
doing diffusion stuff step: 150/300
doing diffusion stuff step: 200/300
doing diffusion stuff step: 250/300
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "c:\Users\mashp\Desktop\VoXBoX\voxbox.py", line 87, in <module>```

:(

oh wait FFmpeg is broken

[glad path]

rip ffmpeg

[rain flame]

it works, not well

[glad path]

doesn't work i think

[azure lynx]

i feel that. (like Reading 3600/3600 and then "closee() isn't a function" )

[rain flame]

LTT did that

[glad path]

pretty sure google has something in place to stop that or make it really hard at least

[rain flame]

it work, again, not good

[midnight sigil]

it works, but just slow

[glad path]

i mean ram is ram

[midnight sigil]

you can mount google drive to swap

[rain flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=minxwFqinpw

[midnight sigil]

it's like pagefile in windows, but way slower

[rain flame]

yes

[rain flame]

its like, yes, yes, you can do it, YOU CAN DO IT, nope lol not happening

[azure lynx]

what if you uploaded files as videos to youtube, with the frames designed to resist compression?

[glad path]

that will take a very long time (to upload the videos i mean)

probably not viable

[rain flame]

watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w6PCHutmb4

oh btw if u want to do i urself https://github.com/Brendan-Kirtlan/Video-Encode

[midnight sigil]

I actually tried that myself

turn data into binary and generate a video out of it

[rain flame]

oh god, its 100% in CPP

[glad path]

hiyori binary sequence

[midnight sigil]

each binary is 4x4 chunk on the video and just flash frames with some error correction measurements

it works

[rain flame]

whats the max data in a QR code

do a whole bunch of qr codes next to each other, then reread, bam built in EC

oh god i broke my TTS

[azure lynx]

can definitely do it for ebooks so it just frame advances per page. i made a stupid version using giftext and ffmpeg.

[midnight sigil]

in theory it's infinite, but you need to think about the camera sensor and stuff

[azure lynx]

except for video you don't need to worry about sensor

[midnight sigil]

max in ver 40 is 2kb iirc

[rain flame]

here, if anyone wants to break their eardrums with my broken TTS feel free: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15oVwJqzjqxYEtccl80JuO8nxTt5eKSw8/view?usp=sharing (HEADPHONE WARNING)

it. does. not. work

[midnight sigil]

it's not as efficient then just flashing frames of binary

[rain flame]

yea, its an idea

[azure lynx]

something i said in response got blocked. I have no idea what it was. I was just saying that you don't need the error correction.

[rain flame]

well, time to wait for a Dataset to extract, yay

7 HOURS?!?!?!?!?

[azure lynx]

your computer obviously doesn't want you to waste your new year's eve on the computer.

[patent shard]

got two banger instrument/vocal removal models at the end of 2025 (hyperace and deux)
would be crazy if a new architecture came out that was way better in 2026

[rain flame]

yes

oh wait nvm it had the thing where it lies, 1m14s

[midnight sigil]

I was trying to make the information density 2x2 pixels per bit, and that caused some issues on the compression systen, I had to add some error corrections.

4x4 is still a safer choice, bitrate issues still does happen so error corrections are still essential

still

[rain flame]

yay its done extractring

[midnight sigil]

oh I was trying to make it colored as well lol

[azure lynx]

you could probably have had a way to mask the bits that were error prone off.
i gave a talk at a hacker conference many years ago about embedding executable code in images that get loaded into applications before you trigger a fault in the program to jump into them. I used JPEGs and had to repeat the lines horizontally to avoid compression artifacts.

[midnight sigil]

mask...?

in what way

[azure lynx]

like not read the values in some cases. if you have read a certain pattern of "light" and "dark" over a 4x4 square and know what the previous values were, you can tell whether or not this particular set of values could have an error, and if so which were likely to be unaffected. you might be 100% confident in all 16 values or you may have only 75% confidence in the top left value sometimes. you either just say "never read from the top left value" or you could have some additional logic which effectively is an error correcting code that dynamically determines how the values could be compressed and avoids reading the values in cells it can't trust.

more error avoidance than error correction though

[midnight sigil]

avoid reading certain cells would still require the program to determine the value of that cell no?

how would that be possible if there are no bits correcting cells

[azure lynx]

you put a value in there, but don't include that value in the final output for the file.

you could put a value which makes the other values stronger if that is what helps. or just put a random value in there if it's not important.

there could be cases where unless all the bits in a 2x2 cluster are set, you can't get the the exact values of any of them, unless exactly 2 are set you can use exactly 2 to store the value and the other 2 to ensure that the ones you are using are correctly set. (perhaps they have to match the one diagonally opposite)

[midnight sigil]

I think I did hamming codes iirc

[azure lynx]

i think the type of encoding I described is either equivalent to doing error correcting or provably gives worse compression than error correction. ;]

(in terms of ratio)

[midnight sigil]

I think it's equivalent to error correction

I mean, reading corrupted bits or not, you still need to correct the bits via some ECC techniques

[quick condor]

WTF I just freed up 12gb vram by dropping the textgenwebui wrapper for exllamav3

[amber fractal]

[quick condor]

I just shot from 16k context per model to 32k thats a massive w

[olive sable]

[sick owl]

https://www.techpowerup.com/344578/leaks-predict-usd-5000-rtx-5090-gpus-in-2026-thanks-to-ai-industry-demand

Oh god

Happy new year

[quick condor]

Damn ai cant people just get a life and talk to real people instead of spending most of their time talking to an ai

[visual pawn]

yeah, everyone should parasocially talk to a single AI collectively instead

[sick owl]

I mean you're blaming AI but lets be real, its OpenAI that's the problem

[quick condor]

I'm honestly mostly joking... I've spent pretty much the last month working on my stack

But right now I am super hyped because I I mean I just "found" 12Gb of vram I was wasting on a bloated wrapper

[sick owl]

That's crazy

12gb is like, someone's entire retirement fund in this economy

[quick condor]

I jumped from 16k context per model to 32k

[patent shard]

not really, very recently 5070s have been $500 and 5070 ti for $750

[azure lynx]

i love my 3090. but i still dream of the 5090 that got away.

[quick condor]

I thought about a 5090 but I can't just it for 8Gb vram... That said I should get a Blackwell 6000 before they are obscenely expensive

[sick owl]

I'm joking obvs

[patent shard]

won't be joking for long

[olive sable]

🔺

[quick condor]

Im still beside myself that I was burning that much vram unnecessarily

[amber fractal]

https://youtu.be/ZJBZ8gDiCIY

[olive sable]

WHAT

THE

FUCK

[patent shard]

I just remembered, there were also 5060 ti 16gb for $370

just two weeks ago

[amber fractal]

Surely there is next series of card this year

[visual pawn]

well I guess part of the rumour is them saving chips for the 6000 series instead

or uh

whatever the next series is called

[amber fractal]

it won't be 6000 in terms of naming, there is already a RTX 6000

[visual pawn]

yeah

I forgot lol

[amber fractal]

7000 or pull an intel and start using 3 numbers

[visual pawn]

the naming schemes just keep getting better

I was once at a hackathon for an open-source medical imaging program and a decent amount of time was spent on a bug that was ultimately just because there's a visual studio 12.0 and 14.0 but no 13.0

[olive sable]

[glad path]

its all in a switch statement

this annoys me

i dont want to just waste space though...

but oh well

[young plover]

What do you mean by waste space? Just scope brackets?

[glad path]

no like

it doesnt actually matter since it would all be initialized anyways

i mean ram

literal memory

its not really like it means anything since its like 8 bytes or whatever

16

actually

but

[young plover]

I mean, I haven't seen the code but I doubt a local uint16_t would even spill to memory.

And it would be 2 bytes

[glad path]

it wouldnt make a difference

[silent cloak]

Not like its heap after all

[glad path]

its not gonna make a difference but everything I write is so hilariously unoptimized that it's probably good i try

the c linked list implementation i made during school when i got bored was so fucking unoptimized

it was like o(n!) or something

[young plover]

Yeah the fact that you have a switch case where you're handling single uint16_ts tipped me off that it's probably not optimized

[glad path]

if you want to add numbers to the top

i can send the git repo

btw

[silent cloak]

Im too drunk to help debug atm

[glad path]

i dont want debugging help really

it compiles

just thought you might want to see the code

[rigid snow]

bit is short for binary digit

[glad path]

yes

that is correc

[azure lynx]

and a little bit is a little short for a binary digit? that tracks.

[glad path]

bit = a 1 or a 0

a byte is 8 bits

wait yeah a uint16 is 2 bytes then

[rigid snow]

i always thought it’s “bit” as in the english word because it’s the smallest base digit that can like uuh actually hold data

[glad path]

i dont know the origin of the term

i mean you can have base 1

1 = 1
11 = 2
111 = 3
1111 = 4
etc

[rigid snow]

that’s kinda useless you just stack zeroes infinitely

while representing nothing

[azure lynx]

that's how you prove that 1+1=2 formally.

[glad path]

you should go look at other bases

[glad path]

• define a sequence of numbers that goes 1, 2, 3, and so on
• two is after one
• do some logic to show one plus one is two because it is one after one or something

base 3 is interesting

[rigid snow]

i’m so lost

[azure lynx]

s(s(0)) = S(0) + S(0)

[glad path]

it gets more interesting when you look at the patterns between different bases

they actually have a good bit in common

[rigid snow]

i just found that out and came to share that i did and it just so happens you were talking numbers

[glad path]

like every place digit you basically raise the baise one power

so in binary you go 2^0 -> 2^1 -> 2^2
if it's a 1 you turn that value on and add it to the total
if a 0 you skip it

so 10110 is 13 i think]

and the values that can be in a place digit go to the base -1

in most cases

atl below 10

base 3 is like that

3^0 3^1 etc

if its a 0 ignore a 1 you get the value if a 2 its the value *2 i think

[rigid snow]

your explanation is very confusing but yeah that’s how you parse a number of a base

[glad path]

thats what i observed while browsing the web during math class instead of doing my worksheet

since i just go learn about whatever the fuck i want and the teacher doesnt stop me as long as i do like a problem every 10 minutes

i was doing the aoc challenges during class lol

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

[glad path]

enub

[covert bane]

What do you guys think about my movement algrothim for #1428980640895733820

[glad path]

i mean

its kind of slow?

[covert bane]

yea

someone else also said that

I'm fixing that rn

the new one still looks slow but I did make it faster, if you compare it with the last one. also adding path smoothing to be a more of a curve line.

[covert bane]

what are your other thoughts on it?

[glad path]

looks a bit choppy

[covert bane]

yea, I tried fixing that. But it's like sometimes it's not choppy, sometimes it is.

I'm updating the position of the mouse cursor per step, so there's bound to be some TPs

(teleportations)

[glad path]

k

[rigid snow]

we truly live in the future

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

its not image persistance, i cans ee it flickering

its hyprland or something

[rigid snow]

yeye nvidia

[olive sable]

i should write some drivers myself

triangle benchmark built in

surely driver level triangle is faster

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

my beautiful config has been ruined

[olive sable]

at least this one isnt device specific

but i do agree i kinda buchered it

i couldnt tell what parts were system essential and what parts i was free to chop

[sage crag]

nvidia drivers:

[olive sable]

oh

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

its somewhat device specific

but at least i dont have the drives in the main config

[sage crag]

"at least"

[olive sable]

yes

at least

thats supposed to be in a seperate file

[sage crag]

theres nothing wrong with putting the drives in the main config dingus

[olive sable]

you went out of your way to fuck it up

[sage crag]

youve spent half a week on nix

[olive sable]

expert in half a week

[olive sable]

it was a joke lmao

im well aware of my own incompetence

im not affected by the dunning-kruger effect

i have some self-awareness

[amber fractal]

I'm forever stupid

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

I still stand that this is just an inverse LLM training loss chart

I'll die on that hill

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

The image I originally saw was closer to the graph

literally just inversed

[azure lynx]

there is absolutely nothing stopping the "slope of enlightenment" actually just being a higher peak of mount stupid with another valley of despair before the potential for more false (or at least incomplete) enlightenment.

[rigid snow]

is it normal i could never relate to dunning kruger curve

[olive sable]

i think thats just some people lacking basic self-awareness

[rigid snow]

my confidence is entirely dependent on mood

not how much i know

[olive sable]

that too for me, but i also just have some sense of how well i think i know something

[rigid snow]

for me the deciding factor is just “am i able to research fast enough what i don’t know already”. i feel confidence is more “do i wanna” and that doesn’t depend on my competence

for me the deciding factor
not what i meant

it’s not even a deciding factor, that’s what i thibk confidence should mean in this instance

ye i messed the quote order up

[sage crag]

hairpin concealed ermfish weapon

[hard raptor]

Meow

[olive sable]

Meow

at this rate, 2026 will be the year i become a catgirl

[hard raptor]

Oh my gawd, it's the legendary super famous Sam! Can i have your autograph?

[olive sable]

sure

🔺

[hard raptor]

So i won't be the only one?

[hard raptor]

Yay!

[olive sable]

hayleigh == catgirl?

[hard raptor]

Yeah

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1423996321626460190/Neuro_Deathnote.gif

[olive sable]

me or her?

[hard raptor]

Meanie

[sage crag]

[hard raptor]

I think both

[sage crag]

[hard raptor]

That's a yes

[olive sable]

bwaa

[hard raptor]

Well in that case konii

deletes hblang

[olive sable]

konii should just put on the cat ears and join us

[hard raptor]

Yeah

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

https://youtu.be/XohHD7HXz5w

[olive sable]

i think konii is hinted at prefering dog ears

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

mtiosis

[olive sable]

ermtosis

[trim valve]

#programming my favourite programming chat

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

cat pfp

undeniable

[sage crag]

i think thats bingle

[olive sable]

the name of the cat?

[sage crag]

maybe

might be species

bingle (not cat)

[trim valve]

that not bingle

[sage crag]

its not bingle

it could be though

[olive sable]

i dont get what a bingle even is

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

long dog

[olive sable]

thats the starter pokemon form horizons???

iirc

[sage crag]

sprigatito is gen 9 grass type

[olive sable]

i odnt know the gens

im a fake fan

i binge watched sun and moon once

all 3 seasons

[sage crag]

so if you had a 三毛猫 (calico cat) and named it ミケ would you call it "mike" in english or "cali"

[olive sable]

uh

mi-ke?

[sage crag]

ye

[olive sable]

i guess that one

[sage crag]

but you lost the intention behind the name

[olive sable]

i didnt know there was any

[sage crag]

ミケ pronounce same as 三毛

[olive sable]

oh

okay

[azure lynx]

a multilingual pun. nice.

[olive sable]

i dont think names need to be translated tho

[azure lynx]

but they can if you want.

[olive sable]

we dont call people named "david" "beloved" cuz we could translate from hebrew

[sage crag]

how about in the context of translating a story

[azure lynx]

you might call your boyfriend david that though.

[sage crag]

and the english readers are wondering why theres a cat called mike

[olive sable]

nah, im not into men probably

[sage crag]

completely missing out on the nuance that its supposed to be named after calico

[olive sable]

hmmm

[sage crag]

its plural you not singular you

[olive sable]

oh

[sage crag]

[azure lynx]

it's like pets named Cifer and Difer. C for Cat and D for Dog.

[sage crag]

id hope your pets get taken if you named them cifer and difer

[olive sable]

changing a name is kinda weird, but wih mi-ke people will jsut read it as mike like its some dude

so idk

[sage crag]

wrr

translating story

[olive sable]

i geuss you could add a note

[azure lynx]

might think it's mickey maybe

[olive sable]

i mean, cali works

but idk

im bad with names, why are you asking me this?

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/be-happy-dog-cute-gif-15281532823757571186

[olive sable]

[azure lynx]

i think if you had a name which either sounded like or was written like a word in another language and it would be funny to call you that word instead and people you knew were familiar with that language, then there would be a chance someone would call you that, even if it was a stretch. if it was a stretch it might only happen once and then that person would melt away in cringe, but it could still happen.

[rigid snow]

i ink if i hav i think i either like i you had then it you i had it thn

[olive sable]

you good?

[rigid snow]

reloading is faster than switching to your secondary

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

embedded linux

neuro-sama

[jagged turtle]

[sage crag]

:mlntcandy:

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

hpws th vodlka

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

vdkaaa

[rigid snow]

i’m sober

just lately

[true hemlock]

[olive sable]

i need that emote

[true hemlock]

n yuo dntt

[olive sable]

i think im mostly sober. had some "Jean du Sud Chardonnay"

[rigid snow]

copy it then

[olive sable]

:evilDentge:

bwaa

i tried

[rigid snow]

own server

[olive sable]

need source image

[rigid snow]

you literally can right click and copy the url to it

in stock discord

[olive sable]

huh

[sage crag]

wrrr

[olive sable]

my youtube loaded the comment section an everything of 1 video, but then loaded the wrong actual video file for some reason

oh

its stuck like this now

im destined to always see the same comment section

[sage crag]

2026 banana campaign

🍌

everyone banana

2026 banana campaign

[olive sable]

convince me

[rigid snow]

bn n

[sage crag]

it would be funny

[olive sable]

why yellow?

[sage crag]

pleasant colour

and, rare

high volume of banana will cause nhq stock market crash

[olive sable]

not convinced

[sage crag]

its the year of the fire horse

that means you need to be banana

[sage crag]

need initial momentum for 2026 banana campaign

cant banana campaign without banana

[olive sable]

i heard it was the year of the horse

but what is fire horse?

[sage crag]

horse made of fire

[olive sable]

hmmm

🔺

red and blue

red and yellow

🔺 🔷

🔺 🟡

alright

[rigid snow]

mcdonalds

[olive sable]

fuck you

[rigid snow]

no

mcdonalds good

[olive sable]

no

back to blue

[rigid snow]

konii please no kill me

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

you ruin banana campaign

[sage crag]

red and yellow not mcdonalds it

banana and strawberry

[olive sable]

[tender river]

sure

[sage crag]

wrr

banana

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-turn-to-dust-finnicklomlgif-gif-6202351048420329284

[sage crag]

different yellow

banana pastel

why downloading NetworkManager nix

you have no reason

ElvynSerius

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

it downloading bluetooth codecs

sbc, ldac

are you building pipewire from source???

[solid bough]

Oh god, I loooove debugging Python 3 Code

[tender river]

nix repl path/to/flake

nixosConfigurations.nixos.options.services.networkmanager.enable.definitions

or something like that

banana = cheese color

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

networkmanager.enable is false

onnxruntime?????

wtf are you doing

im cancelling this

is it downloading the full nixpkgs

for what reason

[solid bough]

And the joke is that only the title code is doing that that is responsible for the GUI part

[tender river]

then nix why-depends path/to/flake#nixosConfigurations.nixos.config.system.build.toplevel.drvPath path/to/flake#nixosConfigurations.nixmsi._module.args.pkgs.networkmanager.drvPath

or something like that

[sage crag]

oh great otd not working

why

[tender river]

uh that wont work as is something like that tho

[olive sable]

how do the coloured shapes work???
you have circle and square in every colour, triangle is only red, diamond is only blue or orange for some reason??

[tender river]

oh me just learn this one

nix why-depends --derivation path/to/flake#nixosConfigurations.nixos.config.system.build.toplevel path/to/flake#nixosConfigurations.nixos._module.args.pkgs.networkmanager

[sage crag]

i reboot

and complain

wrr

[solid bough]

And I'm having fun with a mix of tkinter and threading

[sage crag]

ok

[tender river]

wrr this work for me

[opaque sigil]

That seems useful

Also, they finally merged the fix for clangd that broke the STL it seems into unstable

Only took like 2 months

[tender river]

sometime me prefer checking option definitions or grepping nixpkgs src most of the time

it was useful when stripping down my ereader config tho

because

have to build all software from source

gentoo style

armv7 not have binary cache

[opaque sigil]

That gets super annoying when you depend on something multiple packages deep though

[tender river]

see useless package -> check package dependency tree -> nuke

[tender river]

overlay

wrr

[olive sable]

i discovered this recently
🔻🔴🔻

[tender river]

https://github.com/chayleaf/dotfiles/blob/master/system/devices/kobo-clara-hd-ereader.nix#L33-L133

@opaque sigil

it nnot that much

[solid bough]

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[olive sable]

if i become yellow, how does that benefit me?

[sage crag]

[tender river]

banana

[sage crag]

banana

communism

[olive sable]

i dont have strong feeling about either of those

[sage crag]

hm

yellow

[olive sable]

colourblind

yellow is basicly like lighter lightgreen

[sage crag]

ok

so

benefit

[olive sable]

[azure lynx]

if you can't tell and it doesn't matter to you then it benefits you because communism? i think that is the argument.

[olive sable]

its not about the colour

well, kinda

its about not being ronald mcdonald

[sage crag]

2026 banana campaign

[rigid snow]

yellow is more uuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh like positive i guess

happier color

[olive sable]

is it?

[rigid snow]

than green

[olive sable]

i rather like green

[rigid snow]

brother you’re colorblind it’s the same shit

[tender river]

green = grass would you really let yourself be associated with such foul concepts

[olive sable]

yes

[rigid snow]

green is yellow for you

[tender river]

[olive sable]

no

yellow is like green but worse

it contains red

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

and i cant see red well

[azure lynx]

is it "slightly blurry green" or something?

[olive sable]

no

[rigid snow]

“blurry” to describe a color

[azure lynx]

if there was a slider for red and green, could you find mixes of them which looked equivalent?

like, could you add 20% red and turn down green 5% and it might look like 0% red with 100% green?

[olive sable]

blue and red make magenta, my brain can see that
blue and green make cyan, that checks out
but green and red making yellow doesnt make sense to me

its a cursed colour

[olive sable]

uh. idk.
i could try

[rigid snow]

they are all just different shades of yellow and brown to you if you’re protan which you are

[olive sable]

when i have red, and i add green to it, then i can see it change a lot to yellow
but when i have green and i add red to make yellow it doesnt feel like it changed that much

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

or are you actually protan

[olive sable]

i think im deutan

[rigid snow]

oh still doesn’t change much

[olive sable]

i might have mixed up some colours before

it happens

Deutan involves faulty green (M) cones (green deficiency), making colors muted and confusing green with red/yellow; Protan involves faulty red (L) cones (red deficiency), making reds appear darker or dimmer and confusing them with green/brown, and also reduces red brightness significantly

[rigid snow]

yeah deutan is basically

[olive sable]

green is the one i cant see

bwaa

[rigid snow]

you only see blue and everything else is just different shades of yellow and orange

red is kinda orange

[olive sable]

ye i think so

[rigid snow]

green nowhere close

[olive sable]

green cone observes not enough green

too much red

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

🔺

so anyways

yellow

grrr

actually

there's no red?

[rigid snow]

do color channels confuse you

since you do graphics

[olive sable]

kinda

well

[solid bough]

is that nested enough?

[olive sable]

im mostly confused by colour correction

and weird postprocessing effects

[rigid snow]

oh that’s why that one time you were so adamant about luts

[olive sable]

ive seen made a lot worse

[olive sable]

i still dont get it

[solid bough]

Well, I bet not something so bad that the main code exited before the other threads can close:

[rigid snow]

it’s probably just a much bigger difference than you realize

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

with compared to without color correction

[solid bough]

Yes, the main thread somehow exits before the other stuff exits.