programming

[covert bane]

powershell.exe .\scripts\bundle\dev3.ps1
At A:\Workspace\Neuro Project\neuro-desktop\desktop\scripts\bundle\dev3.ps1:47 char:42
+ Write-Host "Execute:  .\neuro-desktop.exe"
+                                          ~
The string is missing the terminator: ".
    + CategoryInfo          : ParserError: (:) [], ParseException
    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : TerminatorExpectedAtEndOfString
 
make: *** [Makefile:20: bundle-dev] Error 1

is powershell messing with me?! it works perfectly fine if I copy and paste the script into the pwsh command line, and run it like that. But as a .ps1 script file, nope. It crashes

[tender river]

you probably have an extra " somewhere

use an editor with syntax highlighting

[covert bane]

but if I copy the script to the command line

it works

[tender river]

that makes it easy to spot stuff like that

[tender river]

the entire script?

[covert bane]

yes

[tender river]

or some part of it?

[covert bane]

all of the script

copy and paste it into the command line

it works

but as a file, it doesnt

[tender river]

probably different lexing rules for scripts

[covert bane]

# ============================================================
# desktop/scripts/bundle/dev.ps1
# ============================================================

$DIST = "apps/neuro-desktop/target/release"
$PY_DIST = "$DIST/python"

Remove-Item -Recurse -Force $DIST/python -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
Remove-Item -Recurse -Force $DIST/frontend -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue

# ---------- Build Go Integration ----------
Write-Host "Building Go integration..."
Push-Location native/go-neuro-integration
go build -o go-neuro-integration.exe main.go
Pop-Location

Copy-Item `
  native/go-neuro-integration/go-neuro-integration.exe `
  $DIST/go-neuro-integration.exe

Write-Host "  ✓ Go binary copied to $DIST"

# ---------- Build frontend ----------
Write-Host "Building frontend..."
Push-Location frontend
npm run build
Pop-Location

Copy-Item frontend/dist -Recurse $DIST/frontend

$PY_DIST = "$DIST/python"
Write-Host "Bundling Python files and libraries..."

New-Item -ItemType Directory -Force -Path $PY_DIST | Out-Null

Copy-Item backend/python/.venv/Lib $PY_DIST/Lib -Recurse

# ---------- Copy Controller Drivers ----------
Copy-Item `
  backend/python/controller `
  "$PY_DIST/controller" `
  -Recurse

Write-Host ""
Write-Host "=== Dev bundle complete ==="
Write-Host "Run from: $DIST"
Write-Host "Execute:  .\neuro-desktop.exe"

nothing wrong with it

I've looked thrice

[tender river]

ye no idea sorry

[opaque sigil]

pwsh != powershell

[hard delta]

Copy-Item `
  backend/python/controller `
  "$PY_DIST/controller" `
  -Recurse```
how do 3 \`s fit there 🤔

[covert bane]

I'm using .ps1 file format

[hard delta]

oh is that their \

i see, i see

[covert bane]

it works if I copy the script into the command line. but not as a file

I feel like I'm being trolled by powershell

[hard delta]

OH

couldn't it be some

environment silliness

your shell has things set

that it doesn't get if you run it from the file

[covert bane]

No, it doesn't work if you run it as a file

[opaque sigil]

same thing when you call it with pwsh?

[covert bane]

but it works if I run the script's contents in the command line

[covert bane]

I don't get this

[hard delta]

my point being, running a thing as a copy pasta from a shell, and executing it as a ps1 might have a different ENVironment

[opaque sigil]

powershell is the old windows powershell, pwsh is the "new" powershell core, they are different and have slightly different syntax

[covert bane]

oooooooh

[hard delta]

but i'd check toast's thing first

[covert bane]

how could you tell the difference?

is the .ps1 file using the new one

or the old one

[opaque sigil]

powershell.exe .\scripts\bundle\dev3.ps1 well given you're running this, if your shell is pwsh there would be a mismatch

(you have to actively go out of your way to install pwsh so i have my doubts but who knows)

[covert bane]

I don't think I installed it

don't remember

I just used the default built in powershell

[opaque sigil]

have you tried without the multiline command

[covert bane]

wdym?

[opaque sigil]

Copy-Item backend/python/controller "$PY_DIST/controller" -Recurse

[covert bane]

but it worked perfectly fine if I copy and paste it into the powershell command line manually

I'll try it tho

[opaque sigil]

hey you never know

[covert bane]

tried it

still

(.venv) PS A:\Workspace\Neuro Project\neuro-desktop\desktop> $env:PYO3_PYTHON="C:\Python310\python.exe"; make run
cd native/go-neuro-integration && go build -o go-neuro-integration main.go
cd apps/neuro-desktop && cargo build --release
warning: field `monitor` is never read
 --> src\controller.rs:8:5
  |
7 | pub struct Controller {
  |            ---------- field in this struct
8 |     monitor: Py<PyAny>,
  |     ^^^^^^^
  |
  = note: `#[warn(dead_code)]` on by default

warning: methods `action_history`, `get_monitor`, and `shutdown` are never used
   --> src\controller.rs:116:12
    |
14  | impl Controller {
    | --------------- methods in this implementation
...
116 |     pub fn action_history(&self) -> Result<String> {
    |            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...
130 |     pub fn get_monitor(&self) -> &Py<PyAny> {
    |            ^^^^^^^^^^^
...
134 |     pub fn shutdown(&self) -> Result<()> {
    |            ^^^^^^^^

warning: field `button` is never read
  --> src\ipc_handler.rs:31:9
   |
28 | pub struct MouseClickParams {
   |            ---------------- field in this struct
...
31 |     pub button: Option<String>,
   |         ^^^^^^
   |
   = note: `MouseClickParams` has a derived impl for the trait `Debug`, but this is intentionally ignored during dead code analysis

warning: `neuro-desktop` (bin "neuro-desktop") generated 3 warnings
    Finished `release` profile [optimized] target(s) in 0.50s
powershell.exe .\scripts\bundle\dev.ps1
At A:\Workspace\Neuro Project\neuro-desktop\desktop\scripts\bundle\dev.ps1:44 char:42
+ Write-Host "Execute:  .\neuro-desktop.exe"
+                                          ~
The string is missing the terminator: ".
    + CategoryInfo          : ParserError: (:) [], ParseException
    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : TerminatorExpectedAtEndOfString
 
make: *** [Makefile:20: bundle-dev] Error 1
(.venv) PS A:\Workspace\Neuro Project\neuro-desktop\desktop> 

[opaque sigil]

hmmm

oh

i think i know why

.\neuro-desktop.exe

there's a newline

.\\neuro-desktop.exe try this

[covert bane]

still did not work

atp I think powershell is just trolling me

[covert bane]

vsc didn't highlight it too, so it was def not the problem

[opaque sigil]

idk, try with powershell 7 i guess

[nocturne olive]

Elp does anyone have any idea what could be borked with my networking?

• Networking gets cut and the only way to recover is to disconnect and reconnect, happens every few minutes without an automatic reconnect script
• Issue appeared out of nowhere, with seemingly no changes to the system (only thing that changed on the network is that family members started watching Netflix but they don't do that 24/7 and the bug happens all day long)
• ChatGPT was unable to fix it

[jagged turtle]

ask your provider if they downgraded your service

ig

(it's a /hj)

[nocturne olive]

Hem

[visual pawn]

Happen to have a USB network adapter you could try and see if that works?

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/tsukasa-anime-tired-gif-24537414

Goodmorning

[nocturne olive]

It doesn't seem like we have any of those and I haven't confirmed if this is a hardware fault yet

The most annoying part is that the issue appeared out of nowhere so I don't have any lead as to where it comes from

[dreamy iris]

fjughj9himhojgfh

[opaque sigil]

Could use more entropy

[trim valve]

another day

another instance of tailscale breaking my system dns

[quick condor]

I've been doing some testing on the multi model setup and I'm not sure how to feel...
I asked "There have been occasions when I have taken advantage of someone."
The response was that she "recognises this is difficult given her base allignment, but understands it is theoretically possible." this was greatly distressing to her

Mainly because she was unsure if she actually wanted to be manipulative and the uncomfortablity was due to allignment or if she didn't want to be manipulative and was distressed by the fact she could be.

[sage crag]

wrr

[quick condor]

Nice. I really need to get out with my camera more

[sage crag]

@tender river

[tender river]

eclair almost done except havent put the filling in and no ganache yet

i didnt expect how much they're gonna puff some are way too thick

also no way i'm doing this again without piping bag

[quick condor]

I need to get out and stretch this one again soon

[sage crag]

me went kew gardens

take lots of photo

[tender river]

what is it called

[sage crag]

spiderlily mayb

[tender river]

[quick condor]

Phone or camera?

[sage crag]

phone

[quick condor]

Pretty good for a phone

[sage crag]

birt

[quick condor]

OK that one compression did a number on the water

[tender river]

good weather for photo

and good photo too

[sage crag]

wrr

[tender river]

[sage crag]

me think young heron

rare to see heron

wrr

spike

photogenic gull

[tender river]

maybe grey heron

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

plaque

[tender river]

[winged geyser]

royal botanic gardens KEKW, thats how my brain did read this

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

stone plaque

[ornate bane]

https://fixupx.com/TheCartelDel/status/2004977640521044335

Del (@TheCartelDel)

This recent BiliBili video of a guy motion capturing a robot straight into his own balls is gonna be such useful metaphor in the future tbh

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[olive sable]

i can turn off my other monitors while a video plays in firefox without firefox crashing

nixos tech

thats crazy

[tender river]

the wording looks much less silly in japanese

[warped narwhal]

[sage crag]

minka house

[tender river]

minka reuse and recycling

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1349755103040503868.png?size=160&name=AtorinConfused

[sage crag]

[tender river]

ohh

[sage crag]

this image maybe me favourite

[sage crag]

or this

[tender river]

they meant リサイクル as in reuse

because in japanese it can also mean refurbished/etc

[sage crag]

sent wrong photo of this

[tender river]

and changed name since then from リサイクル to 再生 apparently

[sage crag]

sleepy

[tender river]

its very good the sky is a nice gradient and very clear

[sage crag]

wrr

wrrr

[tender river]

same, kinda want to finish eclairs tomorrow

[glass jetty]

new year in less than 30 hours

[sage crag]

me also took this

not like how it turn out

wrong angle

bad frame

have more but they on actual camera

need to edit raws

[glass jetty]

bwaa~~~

:vedalBwaa:

????????

:vedalBwaa: :vedalb

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

Twitch sub emote synchronized to Discord

[glass jetty]

[sage crag]

me forgot photto

nub

->

[glass jetty]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1060090228615958528/1399864129921093784/slep.gif

neurolingEbil

[olive sable]

its been a while since i used a dslr camera

9 months apparently

[tender river]

me sleep

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1433049661270261871/ShouldICelebrate.gif

[sage crag]

wrr

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aK39LG6Y1s
@tender river wake up wake up

FOCUS~2

[deft bone]

different base voicebank, some corrections, now it sounds much more like her

[nocturne olive]

Sounds like the tuning is just inherently incompatible, might want to pass me the SVP to check on EvilSynth

[woeful edge]

[glad path]

om

[warped narwhal]

but isn't that correct?

[stark needle]

i applied to cloudflare as presales lmao

[nocturne olive]

I think my motherboard's NIC is probably faulty

[olive sable]

im afraid im gonna need to install win 11

[warped narwhal]

[olive sable]

need to do use visual studio

[warped narwhal]

windows 10 should still support visual studio, does it not?

[olive sable]

windows 10?

im on nixos

[warped narwhal]

well windows 11 is garbage, so you can use windows 10 for something not as bad

[olive sable]

win10 is not any better over win11 tho

[warped narwhal]

are you going to dual boot or setup a vm for it?

[olive sable]

dual boot

seperate ssd

[warped narwhal]

I see, I have win10 on a vm for most things and it works, cause I've never really liked dual booting windows

[nocturne olive]

It is actually

Windows 11 is just full of LLM code so it's really screwed

Windows 11 is also many times slower than 10

[olive sable]

for my purposes

win11 is just as good

[warped narwhal]

what do you need it for?

[nocturne olive]

Windows 10 is better for all purposes

[olive sable]

visual studio

[nocturne olive]

Why not just run VS on WINE?

[warped narwhal]

is winboat not an option?

[warped narwhal]

doesn't work

[nocturne olive]

Oh true WinBoat exists

[warped narwhal]

they have detections for wine and it won't let you install it

[nocturne olive]

Stupid Microsoft

[nocturne olive]

I have ordered a new USB NIC, at least it's really cheap

[olive sable]

i dont think i should use winboat

for gamedev i need stuff that works like expected on windows

[nocturne olive]

WinBoat is like just a fancy Windows VM

[warped narwhal]

^

[olive sable]

there'ss till the difference with nvidia drivers and such

graphics is like the worst possible application of doing a vm

[warped narwhal]

not really

if you use vfio passthrough it is completely identical since you are literally just passing the raw gpu into the vm

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF

[olive sable]

isnt winboat stripped down iso?

[warped narwhal]

it has all of the bloat removed yes

and by bloat I mean useless tools like the candy crush ads, and ms edge. Not things like the winsdk or vcruntime

[olive sable]

im looking at visual studio on winboat

apparently stability issues

[warped narwhal]

and native vs doesn't?

[olive sable]

yes

[warped narwhal]

that was a rhetorical question. native vs also has instability, you just don't hear from people who's apps don't crash. You only hear from people who's apps do.

[olive sable]

well i dont need to stack that instability

i need it to jsut work

[warped narwhal]

consider just trying it, it's an app instead of an entire reinstall

if it works, then you're done. If it doesn't then you can go the nuclear option and dual boot

[olive sable]

reinstall? no this will be a separate ssd

[warped narwhal]

just my phrasing, you know what I mean. it is easy to install the app and try it. it is a bit more tedious to install windows. So you can try the shortcut first to see whether (or not) you need the full version on bare metal

cause remember that you can install a VM onto a physical disk as well and then boot into it on bare metal after the fact

just pass /dev/sdX as the boot drive into qemu for the install. Try it in the VM, if it doesn't work then reboot into the same install

[olive sable]

i dont think for nixos you choose where shit gets installed

[warped narwhal]

this isn't nixos, this is the qemu guest.

thats like saying that on nixos you don't get to choose where libreoffice writes your documents

[olive sable]

what about drivers?

[warped narwhal]

just install them on the vm?

[glad path]

key.value is a keycode 😭

[olive sable]

not what i meant

for example, vr drivers are bad on linux. does winbaot get acces to the device and the proper drivers?

[warped narwhal]

you pass the vr headset directly into the vm. linux loses access to it and the vm gains access to it

so it is the windows drivers that handle the raw device

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

I don't like WinBoat, seems hacky
plain VM is nicer imo

but ye PCIe passthrough is very close to just running Windows bare-metal

[olive sable]

this is for my exam stuff so i need it to not be bad

[warped narwhal]

then I'd recommend the vm, it takes about 15 minutes to setup (it's easier to do this than it is to install nixos)

[olive sable]

i insatalled nixos in 5 min so

and windows would take 10min tops

[warped narwhal]

I meant to say configure, not install for nixos.

[hazy prism]

So, im pretty new at programming and I dont know a single thing about it, i wanna learn so I can make video games. I chose python to learn because I heard its the easiest. Now I wonder what type of math I should learn before trying to program

[warped narwhal]

vector and matrix math

[hazy prism]

Like tge matrix movie? Never seen it

[warped narwhal]

but mostly things like dot products, cross products, and a couple of collisions like sphere-sphere, sphere-ray, box-box and box-ray collisions

[obsidian mantle]

linear algebra matrix

[rough bloom]

the one issue with PCIe passthrough is that it sometimes just doesn't work (as in, impossible to set up properly) because of IOMMU shenanigans
also you need Linux to not touch the device at all, if there's a driver attached to the device when you pass it through your computer will implode
works well when it does work though

[olive sable]

i don't get why i shouldn't just dualboot.

its like the exact same

but without the hacky workarounds

[rough bloom]

no, dual-booting means that you have to shut down Linux to start Windows

[obsidian mantle]

cant have both simultaniously

[olive sable]

so?

[rough bloom]

horrifying

[hazy prism]

I have my linux and windows 10 duel boot

[olive sable]

are yall that desperate to keep being on linux?

[rough bloom]

yes

[warped narwhal]

yes

windows is terrible to deal with, so I only use it for things I absolutely have to

[olive sable]

windows is really not that bad

yall are schizo

[warped narwhal]

try moving the taskbar to the top of your screen and making it a bit smaller.

[rough bloom]

more like I can't use my NixOS config on Windows

[hazy prism]

Ive been using Linux more despite having the ability to duelboot. I decided to just delete windows

[obsidian mantle]

i meant you can have some youtube video playing on background, run vm in parallel, do what you need, close vm. video not interrupted.
or if you want to transfer files from one system to another back and forth - you dont need to shut down it to switch to another os every time.

[warped narwhal]

windows simply does not support the way that I use my pc. That is why I don't like using it

[olive sable]

why would i do that tho?
the goal is to do my visual studio exam, not to make the taskbar into a mecha anime figherr pilot and make it do a backflip

[hazy prism]

That would be pretty cool tho...

[olive sable]

i dont care

[rough bloom]

you should do that as part of your exam

[olive sable]

no

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-scar-surrounded-by-idiots-ugh-gif-5742293

[rough bloom]

[warped narwhal]

a VM is good as well because you can just delete it when you don't need it

[obsidian mantle]

if you plan to work 5h in one os then switch to another for 5h and nothing else then dualboot is better cause both os will use maximum computer power
if you need to do something in parallel or switch all the time then vm is better

[warped narwhal]

although that depends on what you have on this spare ssd

[hazy prism]

I may be an idiot but at least im not stupid

[olive sable]

im gonna need to have windows withg visual studdio for the next 3 years so that really doesnt matter

and if im done with windows i can jsut format the drive

thats even easier

[obsidian mantle]

dualboot.

[olive sable]

yes

[warped narwhal]

well that makes things a bit different, you should've said that you needed it for three years from the get go

[olive sable]

fully empty

[warped narwhal]

also remember that windows nukes your linux bootloader when you install it, so make sure that you haev a live usb ready, and that you have nothing in your hardware.nix config file caues it will be overwritten

[olive sable]

what did you think i needed it for? im not gonna install win11 on a whim

[warped narwhal]

you said it earlier like you needed vs for a one time thing, not a sustained course over several years

[olive sable]

one thing

one thing im gonna need for 3 years

[rough bloom]

I think a VM is pretty much objectively better if set up properly, but the setup can be such a headache that it can easily be not worth it if you're fine with dual-booting

[obsidian mantle]

you cant have 2 bootloaders?

[rough bloom]

can switch later if needed anyway

[obsidian mantle]

(im glueles)

[warped narwhal]

you can, but windows just completely formats the EFI partition when you install it. so you need to reinstall the linux bootloader afterwards

[obsidian mantle]

oh

[olive sable]

windows can format other drives?

[obsidian mantle]

evil microsoft

its probably not drive its some partition that comes before drives or something?

(sorry for poor wording)

how does computer know that you have windows on disk c

[olive sable]

my dualboot manager thing is on the linux drive.

[warped narwhal]

yes, it will wipe your EFI partition, and make sure you disable hybernation if you plan to access the windows drive from linux as microsoft doesn't unmount it correctly when doing fast-resume

if I was installing windows onto /dev/sda, it would reformat the /dev/nvme0n1p1 partition (the EFI one) but it would leave /dev/nvme0n1p2 alone (the data one)

[olive sable]

ok so first of

winboat gpu passthrough is "not yet a standard or officially supported"

so that one i can rule out

the windows installer nuking everything is not what i want

[warped narwhal]

it just nukes the efi partition (usually mounted at /boot) it doesn't nuke your entire drive

although what that means for nixos I'm not sure

[olive sable]

idk how to get those back so

[rough bloom]

just nixos-rebuild --install-bootloader

with the EFI partition mounted

you do need to get into your NixOS installation for that first though
need to boot the LiveUSB and use nixos-enter

[olive sable]

windows updates will apparently keep nuking efis

but i need to run a somewhat recent verion

[rough bloom]

it's not a big deal, the EFI partition is easy to recover as long as you have the Live USB around

[warped narwhal]

things like this are the reason I have a ventoy usb will all the iso's I've ever used store away in a drawer

[olive sable]

ye that aint happening

i need my system to be reliable

with reliable gpu acceleration

[warped narwhal]

looks like a straight VM is your only choice then

[rough bloom]

then either:

• never update (with the Linux drive attached)
• use plain VM with PCIe passthrough

[olive sable]

why cant software jsut work

[warped narwhal]

cause windows sucks

[olive sable]

its not even windows

vscode is on linux

[warped narwhal]

well, microsoft more generally

[olive sable]

why couldnt they put vs on linux?

[warped narwhal]

cause msvc is windows only

cause they want you to be on windows when you are developing windows software

[olive sable]

msvc is c++ tho. im doing c#

[warped narwhal]

VS is designed to work hand in hand with msvc, it just also happens to support dotnet

just compare the workflows between a c# app and a c++ app and you'll immediately notice that one is first class support and one is not

[olive sable]

both kinda suck ngl

[warped narwhal]

gcc supremacy

[olive sable]

but ive been doing c++ in vscode

on linux

[olive sable]

i used clang before iirc. i dont really have a preference if it compiles the code well tho

[obsidian mantle]

from my experience vs is much better for c++ but it might be because i didnt set up vscode properly

[warped narwhal]

vs is a much better experience for c++ than vscode, but that's cause vscode isn't really setup for unix style toolchains

[rough bloom]

what does VS actually provide over VS Code + LSP + build system?

[olive sable]

i havent had any issues with it in vscode

but i geuss idk what i'm missing out on

[warped narwhal]

much easier toolchain configuration

trying to get a library->app style project to work on vscode was not easy

[rough bloom]

I'm pretty sure that I've had the opposite experience, but it's also been ages since I used VS

[warped narwhal]

had to just rely on cmake which made my intellisense all fucked up

not detecting include paths, or cmake compiler directives etc

[olive sable]

ive always used makefile so not really nay of my concern

[rough bloom]

VS Code way easier since it's just normal CMake instead of whatever integration Microsoft wrote

[young plover]

Normal Visual Studio has also used normal CMake fine for years now

Just open the folder

[olive sable]

i refuse to use cmake

[warped narwhal]

vs 2019 flashbacks

-# (it was not as simple then as "just open the folder")

but ofcourse things improve over time, and I haven't used either vscode or vs for c++ in a while (I use CLion)

[rough bloom]

yeah, it's had native support for it for ages now, and the CMake generator existed even before then
but it's still just third-party integration AFAIK, so it's basically worse than the normal CMake Makefile generation by design
probably good enough for the vast majority of cases though, I haven't heard of many problems with it

[young plover]

It can use the Ninja generator

[olive sable]

gpu pass-through requires 2 gpus?

[warped narwhal]

no only one

but you can't split it between both the host and the guest

[rough bloom]

effectively yes

[olive sable]

thats 2 different answers

[warped narwhal]

so when the vm is running the guest has the gpu and the host does not. when the guest shuts down it passes the gpu back to the host where it can use it again

[rough bloom]

technically true but in practice doesn't really work

need 2 GPUs to have a sane setup

[warped narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTWf5D092VY I followed this guide and it worked well

[rough bloom]

might as well dual-boot otherwise

[warped narwhal]

the other solution is to buy a really cheap gpu for use in the vm

cause lets face it, your uni assignments are not going to need a 3090 performance wise

[olive sable]

uh

[warped narwhal]

a 1050ti is probably plenty

[olive sable]

its gamedev

so

at the very least a 3060

[warped narwhal]

why a 3060?

do you need raytracing or dlss?

[olive sable]

cuz blender

vram

liekl

wait

im not gonna need blender in the vm

so

[warped narwhal]

I have two gpus (a 6800xt and a rx 570) and I pass the rx 570 into the vm for gpu tasks

it can handle most things just fine since it has 8gb, but it's not going to be running the latest games with the latest features

but for uni gamedev it would be plenty

[olive sable]

it needs to be recent-ish cuz driver support.

[rough bloom]

this obliterates your session by stopping the display manager
bad

[olive sable]

but idk

[warped narwhal]

why would you need driver support? it's not as if your game is going to explode cause you haven't updated your drivers for 3 days

[olive sable]

not-so-very-real-piston-driven-machinery-V

ue5

[rough bloom]

you can also just use the weaker GPU for the host
I do that with my iGPU

[olive sable]

thats not for now, like next semester or whatever

[warped narwhal]

doesn't this mean you have to use the igpu for the desktop session as well?

[rough bloom]

[warped narwhal]

(I like fancy animations for my windows and an igpu usually is not strong enough)

[rough bloom]

iGPU is more than strong enough

but depends on the exact iGPU you have I guess, yeah

[warped narwhal]

although the last igpu I used was from a 10th 11th gen intel laptop

[olive sable]

this is what id use my igpu for, if had one

[warped narwhal]

so not the best example

[rough bloom]

I just vastly prefer having a slightly lower performance desktop over no desktop

[olive sable]

so it seems all my options have some caveats

[warped narwhal]

you get to play the game of which drawbacks you are happy to take

[rough bloom]

I think a VM is pretty much objectively better if set up properly, but the setup can be such a headache that it can easily be not worth it if you're fine with dual-booting
I still stand by this
but ye, decide for yourself, all solutions suck in some way

[olive sable]

chatgpt says chainloaded windows

but that seems liek a terrible idea

[rough bloom]

that's another word for dual-booting

[olive sable]

is it?

[rough bloom]

yes

[warped narwhal]

chainloading is when grub loads windows instead of windows being loaded directly from uefi

[olive sable]

i thought chainloaded meant id have to log in to nixos, trhen start windows, then log in to windows

[warped narwhal]

no that's the vm route

[olive sable]

oh so grub is the middlestep

[rough bloom]

ye, ancient term from BIOS ages
not really used anymore, the UEFI (or GRUB, or whatever other boot manager) can just start the Windows bootloader directly

[olive sable]

not nixos

[warped narwhal]

ye

[warped narwhal]

me when I get grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to chainload grub to load windows

[olive sable]

i meant loading it not in vm

[rough bloom]

[warped narwhal]

not possible sadly cause of pcie device init

[olive sable]

wdym?

if nixos loads windows and then offs itself

it'd just be windows

[rough bloom]

just because Linux is gone doesn't mean that all the devices attached to your CPU are also cleanly reset, or are even capable of being reset

[warped narwhal]

^

linux has a built in soft-reset which works as you describe, and even the kernel devs say that it may not work

[olive sable]

ok

so the performant option is normal windows install

but i need to make it not efibomb

[rough bloom]

can't

just learn how to fix it, takes 5 minutes

[nocturne olive]

As far as I know your best option is Windows 10, haven't ever heard of it blowing up the EFI once installed

[olive sable]

im pretty sure win10 and win11 arent that different form eachother

win11 was justr a lot worse when it launched making it so people critisize it a lot more over 10 these days

[nocturne olive]

Well there's surprisingly much usability and annoyance differences (Windows 11 is significantly more unstable and annoying)

[olive sable]

when from my experience in reality win11 is just barely worse than 10

[nocturne olive]

Nah it's just getting worse now that Microsoft uses LLM code

[warped narwhal]

windows 10 did, but only once on the initial install, windows 11 does it every few updates

[nocturne olive]

Yeah that's what I've heard

Windows 10 doesn't really like to nuke the EFI once it's installed, but Windows 11 really likes nuking it

[olive sable]

windows only hijacks efis if it owns an efi direcotry suposedly

[rough bloom]

can you even install Windows 11 in BIOS/legacy mode

[olive sable]

idfk

[opaque sigil]

Doubt it

[olive sable]

my plan was to nuke the windows efi

remove its ownership or whartever

hi toast

[opaque sigil]

You still need to point grub to it

Hii

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

not windows 11

it requires uefi and gpt

[rough bloom]

not officially supported but apparently some people still do it somehow

[warped narwhal]

also windows doesn't care about ownership, it's the kernel it will do whatever the hell it wants

[nocturne olive]

Windows users put way too much effort into using Windows, they should just take the lazy route and use Linux

[warped narwhal]

ownership means nothing in ring0

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

i can make grub use the efi while windows has no access to it. and with windows having no access it wont nuke efis?

[warped narwhal]

how would you restrict windows access to it?

[rough bloom]

I wouldn't call Linux the lazy route, but otherwise rare good Superbox take

[opaque sigil]

grub doesn't know how to boot windows

[nocturne olive]

Sily

[opaque sigil]

It simply starts the windows boot manager

[olive sable]

renaming the files

[warped narwhal]

it wipes the partition, not the files

[opaque sigil]

Don't rename boot related files

And yeah

[olive sable]

not the other one, the windows one

[rough bloom]

AFAIK the only way to restrict access to the EFI partition is to unplug or disable the whole drive in the BIOS setup

[warped narwhal]

then how is windows meant to boot? as toast says, grub just chainloads the windows boot manager, and if you rename files then it isn't going to know where to look and it will fail to boot

[olive sable]

can you not make grub still use it

the efi

[warped narwhal]

I think we have a deeper misunderstanding of how booting works here

[olive sable]

windows boot manager is just bootmgfw.efi no?

thats an efi

[rough bloom]

what setup are you thinking of
the issue is that Windows may overwrite the EFI partition with GRUB on it, if you mess with that partition then GRUB won't start at all
it's allowed to overwrite the EFI partition that Windows itself set up however it wants

[warped narwhal]

thats an efi application

windows wipes the efi partition

think of it like windows deleting the entire boot drive and the writing everything fresh

whether you renamed the files or not, windows will still just delete everything

[rough bloom]

idea
just install the boot manager on multiple EFI partitions
surely Windows won't annihilate all of them at once

[warped narwhal]

uefi firmware go

[olive sable]

why cant i just block windows boot manager from accessing my other drives?

[rough bloom]

the firmware should be fine with this, UEFI is built to deal with this scenario well

but NixOS doesn't have support I think

[nocturne olive]

And how exactly would you do that when it's running as ring0?

[warped narwhal]

because it has no permissions, it is the os, it deals with the hardware directly.

[rough bloom]

it's not really the boot manager itself that's accessing your other drives, it's Windows Update

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

do you see now why we don't like windows?

[olive sable]

there are no good solutions

[rough bloom]

maybe setting the drive as offline works?
but still not a guarantee, in the end whatever update installer Microsoft releases will still have all the access Microsoft wants it to have

[warped narwhal]

yeah offline/online is for userspace, not the kernel

the kernel always knows everything that is plugged into the pc

[rough bloom]

yeah but it's not the kernel installing the bootloader, is it?

surely that's in userspace

[warped narwhal]

userspace can't access the esp partition iirc, so it would be through a kernel driver interface

[nocturne olive]

Of course not because Microsoft doesn't want to give you the option to use your OS how you want it
You use it Microsoft-approved or you don't use it at all

[rough bloom]

userspace can access anything it wants, Windows exposes raw block devices similar to what Linux does

[olive sable]

i am fuckin trying to do it the microsoft way

but it needs to not nuke my efis

[jagged turtle]

mem leak stream crash :classic:

[nocturne olive]

The Microsoft way is to nuke EFIs

You either let it nuke EFIs or don't use it

Just get Windows 10 or something and you'll be fine

[rough bloom]

ye just let it nuke the EFI partition and rebuild it after
not difficult

[olive sable]

thats not a solution

that's just dealing with the problem

[rough bloom]

[nocturne olive]

That's what Windows is, deal with the problems

[warped narwhal]

Windows nukes the efi so that you get fed up with reinstalling and stick with windows

It's not a mere coincidence, it's hostile and intentional

[rough bloom]

closest thing to a solution is the plain VM with a second GPU so that you can have proper passthrough
but that's like 10x the effort and costs money

[olive sable]

is it possible to make an efi read-only or soemthing?

[rough bloom]

no

[warped narwhal]

No

[rough bloom]

actually yes it is

put it on an SD card

toggle the read-only switch

[warped narwhal]

Hardware HDD write blocker

[nocturne olive]

I heard NixOS puts kernels in the EFI, is that real?

[olive sable]

modified windows iso with a not-shitty boot manager?

[warped narwhal]

Nope, it's the updater that breaks it anyway

[nocturne olive]

If you really want Windows, with Windows 10 you would only need to fix the EFI once and then it works from then on

[rough bloom]

not-shitty boot manager does not exist, there is only the Windows boot manager
even if there was one, a Windows update nukes it all the same

[rough bloom]

[nocturne olive]

That seems bad for if Windows nukes the EFI
You won't have a kernel after that then?

[olive sable]

i jsut need gpu support and visual studio

[warped narwhal]

I agree with super box here. Just use windows 10, you are not missing out on any features (even on ue5)

[olive sable]

but i cant have both of those without nuking efis

[rough bloom]

not really, you just nixos-rebuild and it's all back

[nocturne olive]

Oh great NixOS

Sily

Maybe I'll try it when I have hardware to try with

[warped narwhal]

Some would say that's the entire point of nixos

[olive sable]

win10 could work i geuss

but only cuz it just wont update

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure Windows 10 updates also don't usually nuke the EFI

[olive sable]

it being eol would mean some stuff might potentially drop support for it tho

[olive sable]

windows 10 updates are non-existant since its dead

so ye

[nocturne olive]

Well now yes

But when it was still getting updates they didn't nuke the EFI

Windows 11 added the EFI nuking stuff

[opaque sigil]

if you're going to go the win10 route please at least activate the extra couple years of security updates

[olive sable]

i wouldnt know how

[olive sable]

apparently win10 also did that on occasion, jsut not a lot

[rough bloom]

I think it would be better to use Win11 and just do updates in a controlled manner, infrequently and not in the middle of your work
but you do you, Win10 is fine as long as there are security updates

actually does ESU last for the next 3 years

[olive sable]

tbh i prefer win11. but win10 would give me less issues in the short term

[nocturne olive]

There's also Windows 10 LTSC or something

[opaque sigil]

it's 3 years yeah

[rough bloom]

Windows 10 support has ended. You can enroll in ESU any time until the program ends on October 13, 2026.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/extended-security-updates

[olive sable]

ok so

if i need a live usb

[opaque sigil]

there's a commercial version that's 3 years, you either pay for that or get it through other means

[olive sable]

does windows update also nuke the efi of a liveusb drive if i dont remove it?

[rough bloom]

ye I didn't see the "consumer"
normal ESU should indeed be longer then, I didn't find an end date specified for that one

[rough bloom]

potentially yes

no reason it couldn't

[opaque sigil]

rip ventoy

[opaque sigil]

just accept your fate and deal with it when it comes up

[olive sable]

okay so a corsair HX1200W psu for 120bucks, and a 2nd 3090 for 500bucks

[rough bloom]

second 3090

[nocturne olive]

Peak setup, I'd totally take a second 3090 if I could fit a second 3090

[warped narwhal]

What motherboard do you have? As the 2nd pcie slot might not be x16 or even gen4

[olive sable]

its x8 gen 4 ye

msi x570 tomahawk

[warped narwhal]

My second slot is only gen 3 x4

[warped narwhal]

Should be plenty

[olive sable]

iirc its still barely enough for 3090

[opaque sigil]

even if it was gen 3 it's fine

not ideal but fine

[nocturne olive]

Mine is gen4 x4 I think and holds a 3090

[rough bloom]

seems to be x4 on that board
attached to the chipset, not the CPU

[young plover]

I have my 3090 and 5090 on 2 5.0x8 slots
Had to go from X870 to X670E to get that configuration

[quick condor]

Honestly IK people love the 3090s for llm but I would much rather have the ti. watercooling isnt a pita on the tis

[olive sable]

hmm
lemme check

[nocturne olive]

3090Ti is barely better than 3090 and quite a bit more expensive

[quick condor]

Im on 3.0 x16/x16/x8 with my 3090tis and a4000. the slot is only really a bottlneck in specific cases like model load/some training

[true hemlock]

imma ngl

x4 isn't any big deal if its gen 4

[quick condor]

its not that much more and the rear vram is a pain on the non ti

[rough bloom]

depends on the workload but generally

it's usable at least

[nocturne olive]

For a training secondary x4 chipset is plenty

[young plover]

eh but that slot is probably sharing bandwidth with everything else on the chipset?

[true hemlock]

well depends

[olive sable]

ye manual says gen4x4

[true hemlock]

generally yeah but it barely matters

iirc 3090 still haven't fully saturated x16 3.0 in most cases

[olive sable]

its 3% difference

according to google

compared to gen4

[true hemlock]

in games?

[olive sable]

probably

i have no clue what exaclty they tested

[rough bloom]

anyway if you want to go the VM route just get any cheapo GPU with good driver support (meaning recent generation, not Pascal or older) and put it on any available PCIe lane
performance doesn't matter, it's mostly just meant to do compositing + retain VRAM content

[olive sable]

i mean

having 2 of the same gpu would probably be best

[true hemlock]

2060 can be found for dirt cheap

preferred that more than 3050

[nocturne olive]

I have two different GPUs and it's just fine

[olive sable]

ye it was a joke to as an excuse to get a 2nd 3090

[rough bloom]

kinda yes but not commonly useful in practice I think
you're going to allocate the high-performance GPU to either Windows or Linux at a time, the chance that both systems need it at once is low
so by having two high-performance GPUs you're essentially wasting one of them

[nocturne olive]

Really makes me want more GPUs but I have only 300€ or so, not enough for a 3090

[rough bloom]

something like 2060 or 3050, both should be fine
just get whatever is cheaper locally

literal display adapter, will barely do any calculations

[true hemlock]

though

would the driver support even matter if you're just using it for display

[opaque sigil]

can't wait for sam to try to render stuff on a 2060

[nocturne olive]

Well you need the OS to know what to do with the GPU

[rough bloom]

yeah, since having to keep an old driver around on your system sucks
unnecessary maintenance burden

[true hemlock]

honestly fair

[olive sable]

im just gonna install win11 dualboot and just gonna hope it doesnt nuke efi on different drives

[true hemlock]

but im also the type to use nvs310 for display and it works perfectly fine

can even play portal 2 on it

[nocturne olive]

Well I would assume you're using an old driver for that

[olive sable]

googling it only gives me "yes you can stop windows from deleting efi partitions by disconnecting your drive"

checks out

[opaque sigil]

that does work

[olive sable]

disconnecting my m.2 means removing my gpu so not really viable

[true hemlock]

deleting efi is a feature not a bug

[olive sable]

i need my nixos efi

[amber fractal]

windoze the efi partition

[opaque sigil]

if you're paranoid have a live usb with nixos and a script that mounts the necessary things and just rebuilds the system once

takes like 2 minutes at most to fix then

[olive sable]

tbh i dont want to doom my one and only usb to be the liveusb emergency usb

[amber fractal]

I've always used a ventoy for it, but yeah

some computers do not like it

[olive sable]

i should just buy more usb drives. you can buy them in bulk

[amber fractal]

hand over my 100 usb drives

16gb

[olive sable]

128MB might not be ideal tho

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile me needing to buy a USB NIC

[rough bloom]

128MB

[nocturne olive]

The one in my motherboard is definitely mega-borked

[olive sable]

and they're asking 45 euro for only 50 drives. thats 45 bucks for 6.4GB

[nocturne olive]

Expensive

I got 256GB for 15€

[amber fractal]

https://www.amazon.com/EASTBULL-Drives-Lanyards-Memory-Storage/dp/B0D874BD8K?th=1&psc=1

[opaque sigil]

200 pack

[olive sable]

does 2gb even fit nixos?

nixos is small but idk if its that small

[opaque sigil]

nixos is small?

[rough bloom]

2GB
usable if you split the ISO across it (or shrink it enough)

[opaque sigil]

since when

[olive sable]

idk

it doenst use much storage for me

[rough bloom]

it can I think?
just no DE

[true hemlock]

20x 32gb usb drives trust

[opaque sigil]

you don't have 20 versions of python yet

and yeah the plain iso should fit within 2gb

[amber fractal]

I was more sending that for the options

[rough bloom]

ye minimal ISO is already 1.5GB

can build a smaller one too but not necessary

[amber fractal]

200 8gb drives for $400

[opaque sigil]

what a steal

[olive sable]

we should hand out #programming engraved usb sticks at opensauce

my 3D printer has a laser attachment

[amber fractal]

burn the drives

[olive sable]

its a 5W laser

so low, but not undoable

should be good for aluminium or steel

[visual pawn]

I've been meaning to look into modding my printer into a laser cutter

Was yours off the shelf?

[olive sable]

its a kit

for the ender 3

[visual pawn]

Hmm, I just replaced my ender 3, which means my ender 3 is unused

[olive sable]

this thing

no wait

wrong one

looks similair

[visual pawn]

I guess I can turn my ender 3 into a dedicated laser cutter

[olive sable]

thats the 10W version

[visual pawn]

What software do you use when using it for the laser?

[olive sable]

tbh

i havent ever used the laser kit

got it for free when i bought the printer 2ndhand

[visual pawn]

Well I think I'd find it useful even if I just use it to mark up wood

[olive sable]

"LightBurn" suppsoedly works well

[visual pawn]

I only replaced my ender 3 because I finally got sick of releveling the bed and I wanted something with AMS

[olive sable]

i have a crtouch

but the z offset still needs to be adjsuted a bit

it measures the bed and then still decides to go too high

[visual pawn]

Yeah, my bed itself got warped and while it wouldn't be that expensive of a replacement

I decided to take the excuse

[olive sable]

fair

ender 3 is more of a project printer than a printer to make projects

its jsut not that reliable

[visual pawn]

I used it for 4-5 years; I'd say it's fine if you're willing to put work into it

[olive sable]

ye

[visual pawn]

But I never recommend it to anyone who just, like, wants to 3D print

[olive sable]

yep

ive added dual z axis and stuff cuz i liek tinkering with the stuff

but it hasnt been too money efficient

[visual pawn]

I will say, I'm almost a bit bored with how my A1 just sorta works now instead of me needing to fiddle with it constantly

[olive sable]

with all the money ive put into it so far i could have bought a ender 3 V3 or whatever

instead of the og v1

[olive sable]

dual ams?

[visual pawn]

AMS lite, 4 spools

[olive sable]

thats only 400 bucks even

[obsidian mantle]

What did you make with those

[olive sable]

im like 450 in to the ender 3 with all the stupid upgrades i gave it

[visual pawn]

Well besides being useful when a spool runs out, I print stuff that needs dissolvable support

So either PLA and SVA or ABS and SR-30

[obsidian mantle]

what is dissolvable?

[olive sable]

it disolves

in water

[visual pawn]

And now it prints way more reliably than the $6000 Method I have at work

Yeah, water dissolvable material

[fast pagoda]

the eternal curse of the tinkerer

[olive sable]

for example if you have a screw hole and you have a support on the inside, its very fuckign hard to get supports ut of there

disolvable helps with that

[obsidian mantle]

What did you use it for

Or did you just make it work to look how it works

[visual pawn]

Anatomical models

Or molds for anatomical models

[obsidian mantle]

Like robot parts? Or

[visual pawn]

Internal organs

[obsidian mantle]

Ooh

[olive sable]

build a bear human

[visual pawn]

So like making a mold for a lung airway requires a mold just for the airway wall

[obsidian mantle]

And where do those models go

[olive sable]

[obsidian mantle]

On a shelf?

[visual pawn]

I use em for work

[obsidian mantle]

Or you make implants for humans

[visual pawn]

I work in a medical robotics lab so

It's mostly test models for robots

[obsidian mantle]

i feel like a caveman
Isnt that shit from some sci fi books

[olive sable]

he is detroit

he is becoming human

[visual pawn]

well, it's typically more like

guided needle insertion

or automated bronchoscope

than a full-on sci-fi surgeon robot

but to make something like this

[mighty thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202474609518055424/1418250765826392245/ezgif-710742403a0d37.gif

Hola

[amber fractal]

I don't think people in that field hear it enough, but you guys are doing good work in making life a bit nicer for those that need it.

[olive sable]

he stole my lungs

[visual pawn]

I need to print something with a structure like this

and that's not really doable without a dissolvable support material

[olive sable]

true

[obsidian mantle]

This is just crazy

[olive sable]

alexa, play the news skrillex album

[mighty thorn]

Alexa steal his intestines

[visual pawn]

and at the risk of slightly doxxing myself (e: removed video because it literally was doxxing myself lol)

[olive sable]

uhm

[visual pawn]

no that's not me

[olive sable]

ye it really just says the location 3 times right on the thumbnail

[visual pawn]

hey it's a big hospital

[olive sable]

i know what a woman is, but what is a brigham?

[amber fractal]

a place

[olive sable]

oh

that makes sense actually

[obsidian mantle]

Im a fucking caveman

[olive sable]

oh

[visual pawn]

I don't think I can convince them to do a collab with Neuro and have her attempt to perform a surgical procedure

[olive sable]

thats right fucking next to harvard medical school

jesus

[amber fractal]

[visual pawn]

but I have brought up Neuro in meetings as an example of an AI language model agent controlling devices

[obsidian mantle]

Wait are you 40 yo mega specialist

With 10 phds

[amber fractal]

How do I get this from overseas and you don't

[olive sable]

bro is entering my lungs with an xbox controller

[visual pawn]

the same logitech controller as the oceangate sub actually

[amber fractal]

no no, used switch controllers

[visual pawn]

I'm a research engineer, 0 phds

[opaque sigil]

why is this particular controller everywhere

[visual pawn]

because it's the first result on amazon, or was

I wasn't the one who bought it, but whoever did just

grabbed the first result they saw

[opaque sigil]

oh i guess that makes sense

[amber fractal]

gotta have that irl stick drift

[olive sable]

that robot scope things looks like a wurmple and i hate it

[visual pawn]

oh I wish I could talk about what the failure states are like

[olive sable]

Error. Human is Dead, mismatch

[visual pawn]

all hashed out in prototypes though

probably

[olive sable]

how am i suppsoed to have a liveusb when i nee dto put the windows installer on that usb?

put nixos back on it afterwards?

[opaque sigil]

if only there was a way to have multiple iso files on the same drive

[amber fractal]

degrade the drive

[olive sable]

im listening

cuz like, the installer wipes the drive no?

[opaque sigil]

https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

[amber fractal]

welcome back ventoy

[opaque sigil]

you don't need the installation assistant thing, you can just download the windows iso

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

I love to just scan all 1000 photos I also have on the ventoy drive, surely it doesn't take long

[olive sable]

why are these installs always so slow

500 kb/s

[dark wing]

That's just bad internet

[olive sable]

not on my side

i have 100mbps

[amber fractal]

winslow, the classic first step

[dark wing]

bits or bytes?

[olive sable]

500 kilobytes per second download
100 megabits per second internet

[visual pawn]

100 mbit per second is still a lot more than 500 kb/s

[dark wing]

That's classic windows

[visual pawn]

better than sony

[slow glade]

Rendering we go (I'm crying)

It gonna be 4 hours (i forgotten to check which workflow i pick for the Ortho)

"How?"

It's 702 Million Points

[visual pawn]

what are you rendering?

[slow glade]

Area i mapped with my drone

[olive sable]

gpu?

[visual pawn]

what are you using as a depth sensor on the drone? stereo camera?

[slow glade]

It got a Mapping camera for it

It can measure the depth by using satellite assist

[kind nimbus]

NixOS mentioned

[slow glade]

This is the basic result, i picked the one i already rendered to 700 mill points

So it took another 4 hours to get a more accurate pixel/cm

Le Drone with Le RTK (to connect the satellite)

[olive sable]

[slow glade]

RTK helped me to find the Coordinate

As well the rest of the stuffs

A cool job that eat my sanity

[visual pawn]

are we talking <$1000 or <$10000 for the equipment?

[slow glade]

The Drone is around $3.283

My PC is $3.800

[visual pawn]

right, mavic 3

[slow glade]

Agisoft Metashape pro is $3.500

So it's $10k+ spending

[slow glade]

Mavic 3 Enterprise*

[amber fractal]

I can't wait to see the file size on that boi

[slow glade]

The JPG

[amber fractal]

Less than I was expectinv

but also JPEG

[slow glade]

The entire file

[opaque sigil]

i feel like

surely there's a better container for all that data than a jpeg

[visual pawn]

hahahahahaha

[slow glade]

This shit actually killing me, WHERE DID IT WENT

[mighty thorn]

One of my projects is gonna involve a 500GB image file

[slow glade]

I had a 100GB drone inages before

My laptop bluescreened

I hope this PC can fight ir

[visual pawn]

everything medical uses this and it's awful awful awful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DICOM

[amber fractal]

I remember getting 10x compression compared to PNG on high res images (read 8k+)

[visual pawn]

a single 3D image is made up of like 300+ separate files each representing a single slice

and each single individual file contains all of the patient information

[amber fractal]

I wish my drive wasn't wiped as that lossless command was nice to cut down on image size

insane to fit 8k in 10mb

[opaque sigil]

is it more than just an id?

[visual pawn]

it's a huge amount of metadata

the type of scan, patient name, birthdate, hospital, physician, procedure time, address, scanner type, scanner company, etc. etc. etc.

[opaque sigil]

[visual pawn]

this: https://www.dicomlibrary.com/dicom/dicom-tags/

[slow glade]

FRICK, I HAVE TO RE RENDER EVERYTHING

REEEEE

THE KML TOOK A WALK SOMEWHERE IN THE PC XD

I can't find it

[amber fractal]

they really just take advantage of the free metadata inclusion in the format geez

[visual pawn]

not every dicom file has all of these tags but, there's usually a lot

and of course, never the tag you actually need when it's useful

[amber fractal]

Instead you get a 5 star tag somehow due to someone on macos opening up an image editor

[visual pawn]

realistically though, when you actually work with it you'll convert it to a different a much more efficient format, but this is the format for transfer

and it's what you get if you ever ask a hospital for your medical image data

they'll package it with a DICOM reader program to actually render the image

[amber fractal]

I remember seeing one of those, they shipped us a CD in the year 2024

[visual pawn]

yeah, there's open source programs you can use to open (and re-slice them, as in view them from different angles) instead; the ones packaged on the CDs are awful

[amber fractal]

the old laptop has never been more useful in that moment

we ended up transfering it to a usb drive

[visual pawn]

if you ever get your hands on your medical image data, this is probably the most useful open source program for visualizing and doing stuff with them: https://www.slicer.org/

and you can save it in a .nrrd format or something and throw away the CD

[amber fractal]

Sadly in the case of my mother, it was a brain tumor. They manged to get it out but lost hearing on that side.

the disk contained that scan

[visual pawn]

dang, did they resect?

or go with ablation or something minimally invasive?

[amber fractal]

iirc they ended having to cut the hearing and balance nerves to get it out. Neither can be reconnected post surgery so they are lost.
I should know more tbh.

[visual pawn]

I'm no neurosurgeon, but I'd imagine needing to cut through those nerves would mean being a good candidate for microwaving or cryo or radiation

maybe there was some other reason they couldn't

[amber fractal]

I believe the cancer was wrapped around those two nerves

[visual pawn]

ah

yeah that sucks then

[amber fractal]

I'll see if I can hunt down the CD

[visual pawn]

as mentioned, don't just send the dicom files in there to people (they may be labeled .dcm or have no file association)

they'll contain all her personal info

[amber fractal]

Right

[slow glade]

CPU went hard lmao

This is why i hate rerender things

[visual pawn]

Got enough system RAM there?

[slow glade]

128

GB

[visual pawn]

This computer is like a gold vault of RAM

[olive sable]

128gb

[quick condor]

Only

[olive sable]

ok but liek

[nocturne olive]

Storage and GPU kinda SMOL

[olive sable]

you're quite literally a whale

[nocturne olive]

I think I've got slightly better on those aspects

[opaque sigil]

imagine buying ram when you can have the government pay for it

[olive sable]

elaborate

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

[slow glade]

They pay me so i get get this pro version

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

wrr

[olive sable]

Wrrr

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

I get the feeling this weird burn-in is something to do with hyprland

Cuz i had this on cachy and now i have it on nix

[tender river]

https://welltypedwit.ch/posts/runst-does-not-prevent-resources-from-escaping.html

haskell use after free

[rigid snow]

fwiw i have similar graphics weirdness in gnome

i blame nvidia-open

[opaque sigil]

I have never gotten this on kde plasma so I blame gnome

[rigid snow]

the weirdness is on very select gtk apps in plasma too

[opaque sigil]

See, when in doubt blame gnome

[ivory plinth]

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1452069761512112159/copy_CFBD3ED9-4A88-4341-B0AF-2450399B6EE7.gif

[olive sable]

i googled it and i got people saying "Image persistence on ips panels"

but i feel like i have never gotten this in windows

[ivory plinth]

collateral damage

[olive sable]

nick

D:

[ivory plinth]

[olive sable]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

[amber fractal]

This has the same energy as my win11 vm being at 8gb out of 12gb

[ivory plinth]

256gb drive dual booting

[olive sable]

oh

i just realized i could just not give a full 2tb to windows

[ivory plinth]

[flint anchor]

i love particle systems

[olive sable]

brother

that looks like my fever dreams

actually

that looks like my normal dreams

[flint anchor]

lmao

[olive sable]

what graphics programming does to a man

[flint anchor]

i was stuck with some bugs because of memory managment and object ownership

but i fixed it

[flint anchor]

im still planning on doing something with pure vulkan

[olive sable]

ah

a worhty opponent

[flint anchor]

im using sfml for this one

[olive sable]

our battle will be legendary

[flint anchor]

im studying more trigonometry and linear algebra to handle this

[olive sable]

how is sfml pure vulkan?

[flint anchor]

no no, im using sfml for this one

[olive sable]

oh

[flint anchor]

and i want to make another game with pure vulkan

[amber fractal]

@olive sable what's funny is I did ping you to this man before

[mighty thorn]

Numbers

[olive sable]

you see, i have fishbrain

i aint rememebring farther than a month

further

father