programming

[obsidian mantle]

Blueprints is like graphical programming i think

[signal beacon]

Can I just send you the script?

I have no idea what code it contains

I only know what it does

[tender river]

send it to chatgpt

[signal beacon]

Well thats the thing

HE made it

I told him what to do

[severe path]

:s

[signal beacon]

But he made the script

[silent cloak]

based

[tender river]

then tell chatgpt to add the stop/restart functionality you want

[signal beacon]

He already did

It's all set up

[potent birch]

3d game

[signal beacon]

The reason why I'm here is because I'm looking for a way to make the batch file silent

[potent birch]

Trying at least

[tender river]

then tell it to do it without a batch file

[signal beacon]

I ran out of gpt 5

[tender river]

[signal beacon]

And there's an attachment in the chat

[tender river]

you either learn to code yourself or pay for ai

[silent cloak]

if ur learning i dont recommend relying on AI

for the sake of yourself and anyone who uses ur work

[signal beacon]

I'm not looking to learn programming

My goal here is to have a discord bot that integrates with the ai models I have on my pc

Free cloud experience on my phone

And that succeeded

BUT...

The commands apparently need syncing

Which takes about an hour

[severe path]

Godot is a 3D engine.
@tender river did say that Unreal has blueprints, which makes gamedev easier (no code).

[signal beacon]

And the commands work everywhere except in dms other than the with the bot

[obsidian mantle]

What will you do when it stops working because of some discord update

Or will your gpt5 replenish by then

[signal beacon]

Probably not

[signal beacon]

I would just sit and cry silently

[tender river]

ye anyway if you rely on ai know that real people cant help you because they expect whoever wants their help to know what they're doing it's best to keep relying on ai in that case or at least mention very early on that you have no idea what you're doing

[signal beacon]

Okay thanks

[severe path]

Never said Unreal was good ;p

If I were learning game development from scratch, I would start with some sort of 2D rasterizer.

[tender river]

like in this case there are technical workarounds that a person who writes a discord bot would be capable of doing

[potent birch]

A friend said unreal is better if I wanna make 3d that's why I downloaded unreal

[tender river]

but if you made a bot with ai, its your responsibility to deal with the consequences

[silent cloak]

its not

u can make good looking stuff in most 3D engines these days

[signal beacon]

It is indeed

Oh I forgot to mention I know a tiny bit of kotlin/Java. Would that help with python at all?

[tender river]

programming is not all too different across languages

though for beginners different languages may feel very different

[potent birch]

Probably just my mindset, I'll go back to godot cuz I have moreish knowhow to it

Not on 3d part but

[signal beacon]

Well I recognized almost all things in the code except for everything discord.py related

The str, int, all that stuff

[tender river]

and understanding discord.py requires reading discord.py docs good luck

[signal beacon]

Thanks

[silent cloak]

the only reason id move engines at all if u already have work done is because u need some sort of feature missing from the existing one

[severe path]

People think that Unreal Engine is a bloated (heavy, slow, low FPS) mess.

Don't be scared to learn C, or even assembly. From there, you can eventually build a rasterizer, which with other components, will allow you to build a game engine on your own, if you desire.

[rigid snow]

[silent cloak]

gotta love ur first OpenGL games

[signal beacon]

Make an osu competitior

Show them who you are

Assert dominance in the rhythm space

[potent birch]

Reading just that dreads me

[potent birch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484537365776433174/1265861364929527930/Godot_v4.2.2-stable_win64_C3KLoLHxmd.gif

I've been playing around godot for some time ago

(this project is long gone)

[severe path]

Nice, good luck!

[potent birch]

All those learning is gone too btw

That was a year ago lulw

[visual pawn]

Eh, imo it can be more important that you proved to yourself that you can accomplish something than any particular technical knowledge you learned

You have to learn new things constantly anyways, so just knowing that it's possible and knowing that you could also probably do it goes a long way

[rotund burrow]

Would've been fun

[austere star]

hello again, here's the netbook update no one asked for: i don't think i'm good enough

i opened up the laptop, repasted the thing, but now none of the I/O works

so i don't have ethernet, and i don't have USB

one port was on the other side so it survived, but i need two ports (one for a keyboard and one for my installation USB)

what's worse is, my desk light died, so now i need to go buy a new desk light so i can open up the netbook again if i wanna salvage this

of all the things that could go wrong with reusing an old netbook for a home server, this was not what i expected

[severe path]

?.?

[hard delta]

lots of this actually, in general

[bleak depot]

Desk light coming in handy to make the situation even worse

[austere star]

i was talking here a few days ago about getting alpine linux onto a very old netbook because that's the only spare hardware i have left after i've had a string of hardware failures

[tender river]

me realize why german and russian names for meringue comes from french "baiser" (kiss)

it because

meringue cookie called meringue kisses

also cupcakes didnt get soggy in fridge i think its because i used airtight box

[quick condor]

Its a different way of looking at things. Once you get it down, it's just syntax... Tbh Bo different than different languages in general

If you know how to program and are able to correctly write the tokens needed to get a LLM to do exactly what you want it to do is it actually any different than using high level languages?

You don't need to know (for the most part) what the python code compiles to but you have to understand what it does. I think that is where people have an issue with vibe coding, you can create code that you don't hav a fundamental understanding of. With low level to high level you maintain that connection of I am writing this for this reason. With an Ai agent you lose this

At least the way I use them is I write the general code framework for a new feature and implement it via the agent because I'm lazy... Plus the problem solving stage gives dopamine, the implementation doesn't

[tender river]

it is different in the sense that you get different code

if you only care about end result it wont be different

if you care about code you will get an horrible mess (that still works if the task is simple enough)

and yes not caring about the process is how you end up with boring languages that cant do anything fun and boring tools to fill their shortcomings

"implementation doesn't give dopamine" is quite literally a skill issue

you have to find a way to implement it that makes the process fun

and if one doesnt exist, make it

its like if someone asked you to write an assembly program and you made a c program and gave them the output clang spat out at you

sure, it will be assembly

and it will work

but it wont be anything like something an actual assembly programmer would write

[opaque sigil]

https://youtu.be/3yDXyW1WERg fex-emu talk

[tender river]

i saw in recommended but thought its about box86

[quick condor]

True but I think the disconnect is I respect assembly coders

[opaque sigil]

Nuh uh

[tender river]

or vice versa, if you asked some c programmer to write c++, you would get a program that works, but it wouldnt really be anything remotely similar to idiomatic c++

[quick condor]

I mean I'll use agents but that's because I have them so I don't have to deal with stupid customers

[tender river]

thats the difference between llm code and human code

humans have lived experience

they get more experience and learn to make better decisions

llms make statistically average decisions

[opaque sigil]

Idiomatic c++

[tender river]

which are not really all that good

[quick condor]

I mean what is llm code? If I write the code and say "implement this using real variables is that llm code

[tender river]

llm is like someone who read a book on design pattern and algorithms and data structures and networking but never wrote a single big project or solved a single competitive programming problem in their life and never will
worse yet, when you ask them to solve a problem, they pick the most statistically relevant way to solve it, not the "best" one (which you actually need human experience for)

[quick condor]

So architects ok

Fair

[tender river]

i dont get what you mean

do you mean copy the same algorithm but use reals instead of integers?

"real variables"

[quick condor]

Semi psudo code dumbass

Fun fact most companies don't pay extra for good code. You owe them what they pay you

[tender river]

made up terms only make sense to those who made them up anyway its best to use a high level language so you dont have to write a low level program in the first place; if you need low level control, it's generally still better to write a high level program with low level annotations for stuff that has to be set up in a particular way on the lower level

[tender river]

i couldn't care less about companies balancing learning/personal growth/experimentation with career/getting stuff done/accomplishing management-set goals is a personal choice

[quick condor]

Literally describing the next layer

[tender river]

except the difference is that llms are unreliable a program in a high level language can be statically analyzed, typechecked, transformed, a prompt can only be chugged into an llm praying it gives you something that you want that wont be too different from what it gave last time

[quick condor]

Yah, I felt like that until I realized I could give up moral superiority and still have the time for 4 stupid expensive hobbies

[tender river]

you not caring about your code is a personal choice as well i just dont think programming as a field grows through people being like that

[quick condor]

That's you imposing your morals on others. I don't care if you are the better person. I do programming, photography, cars and shooting. I don't have time to care

[tender river]

second time you're putting very insulting words into my mouth but whatever

i don't do hidden subtext, if i don't say you should use nix i don't think you should use nix, if i don't say you're a bad person i don't think you're a bad person

[hard delta]

not being clueless isn't morals, it's just not being clueless

[quick condor]

Did programming as a field grow with high level programming? Most people don't know how to do low level programming anymore and will never learn. A tool is a tool and chances are that if I use chrome sockets on a high impact then I probably don't care if the class structure is correct if it works

[tender river]

it did actually something as simple as lexical scoping, anonymous functions and garbage collection was introduced in the 1960s, but took a long time to reach mainstream

high level programming is not knowing less about your program, it's knowing more about your program

through knowing more about it, you can do more things with your program

[quick condor]

I mean garbage collection doesn't matter if you have enough ram

[tender river]

no, unless you mean infinite ram

[quick condor]

OK then why is Google chrome the most popular browser if it is objectively trash at handling garbage collection

[tender river]

it's very good at it, v8 uses some of the most advanced gc techniques in the world

[tender river]

high level programs are the most abstract programs, and thus the most reusable in different circumstances

[quick condor]

But not the most efficient

[tender river]

low level programs are concrete, and thus only fit for the limited purpose they were made for

[quick condor]

That's a tradeoff

[tender river]

because of being high level, you can actually better utilize information about the low level architecture and make dynamic optimization decisions

in the abstract sense it's more efficient

if it's less efficient, it's simply due to unimplemented optimizations

[quick condor]

Abstract. I can throw a abstract prompt into claude and get lunch

[hard delta]

tl;dr the act of not caring is a scale of (saving wasted resources) to (shortcut)
shortcuts never really work as intended and thus waste resources later
therefore not caring is at best a tool but never a virtue
and we get to watch individuals and the industry bleed left and right all over the place missing that optimal middle

[tender river]

sure whatever works for you

[quick condor]

Though I'm usually dealing with router config at work

We've had ipv6 for forever yet most companies are still balancing route tables for ipv4/6 because corporate is cheap.

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[rigid snow]

huh

[hard delta]

hi hi

[rigid snow]

hi sam

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-anime-dance-kawaii-anime-happy-gif-14447678608669781997

[tender river]

turing machine requires infinite tape

if your language doesnt support infinite memory is it really turing complete

[hard delta]

solution: support it like you support evil neuro

5 gift subs for turing complete language

we just need a streamer named "infinite memory"

[rigid snow]

ye ram-as-a-service

[tender river]

need more ram = spin up new s3 instance

[hard delta]

we're not in 2029 yet

[potent birch]

I literally just remember how to make and add blocks and platform into godot while working tf, I think I can use the 2d stuff on 3d

Crazy

Brain is braining

[hard delta]

seriously though imagine renting 64gb ddr5 for your PC for just $5 a month

[olive sable]

No

[opaque sigil]

Don't give them ideas

[olive sable]

I dont want to imagine that

Id rather just rent a whole server i dont have to pay power for

[opaque sigil]

[hard delta]

60% off or the first 3 months?

[olive sable]

Id rather kill

And take the ram

[rigid snow]

datacenter robbery

[hard delta]

the ram is being rented out by robots
you can't kill the robots

for they do not live

[rigid snow]

you can kill the processes

[hard delta]

and they have weird ram inside them you can't use

[olive sable]

Oh, then thats even easier to steal

[hard delta]

they're also government authorized to shoot you

[olive sable]

Just have to turn the power off

Them robots wont have more than 2 days of battery

[hard delta]

you are mandated to charge them, otherwise they shoot you

[olive sable]

And even a back-up geberator will run out of fuel

[hard delta]

basically they have to shoot everyone before they run out of power

to ensure no looting

and civilian compliance

[olive sable]

Hows a robot with an empty battery gonna tell me what to do?

[hard delta]

it won't because you'll be ripperoni in pepperoni before it runs out of battery, and therefore very invested in keeping it charged!

i think i've solved dystopia

[olive sable]

If i only go there once the batteries ran out then its free pickings

You realize im not gonna go there just to wait a whole day right?

Im gonna go when i dont need to wait

[hard delta]

how about a phone that spies on you, and if it can't spy on you for more than 10 seconds it blows up with an explosion that kills everything in a 11 second radius

[olive sable]

11 seconds isnt a measure if distance

And i wouldnt want that

[hard delta]

it is, and it means "however far you can get in 11 seconds"

[olive sable]

But why

[hard delta]

so the explosion always gets you by definition

therefore you're invested in keeping the phone charged and ready to spy on you

[opaque sigil]

Throw it

[hard delta]

you can't throw it further than 11 seconds in 10 seconds tho

😔

[olive sable]

I just wouldnt buy that phone

[hard delta]

you didn't know it was like that until you had it

[olive sable]

If i throw it off a dam sure i can

[hard delta]

[olive sable]

Honestly

[hard delta]

that dam goes down with you

ok i think the concept is now fleshed out, flawless and dystopian

[olive sable]

This is like playing "what if" with a child thats like "no but i win because xyz"

[hard delta]

we just need a sci-fi writer from the late 00s now

[hard delta]

my favorite situation like that is "getting work done faster than expected" with your boss

they always find new work 😔

[olive sable]

Dams are made to withstanda lot more power than the battery in a phone is able to provide.
An explosion wouldnt really do too much damage to it

[hard delta]

nuclear powered phone batteries?

[olive sable]

Hmmm

Maybe

I think this qualifies under sword art online levels of technology tho

You'd get arrested

[hard delta]

that's part of the plan

they take the phones as evidence

it's now theirs...

we're now spying on the police too

[quick condor]

Can I pre-order and does it come charged to less than 5%?

[olive sable]

You do realize the police generally dont carry active bombs around right?

They'd use bomb squads

[hard delta]

now this is the spirit

[olive sable]

And explode them

At a distance

[hard delta]

you're getting 75% off for the first 6 months

and immediate silver loyalty program badge

[quick condor]

[olive sable]

Let me pre-order one to your adress

[hard delta]

bureaucrat

i'm the one shipping them out

that would be just packaging and unpackaging one for no reason

[olive sable]

Oh so you're shipping them?

Good

[hard delta]

my house could start the big bang

[olive sable]

Only a matter of time before you slip up and have 1 explode.
Chain reaction with the others and you'd have a small crater the size of a big crater

[hard delta]

see my house is like the archetype of the phone

if you let it explode this universe ends

so everyone is automatically invested

that's how i could afford the project

[olive sable]

Doing improv with you just isnt fun

You always have some way to escape

[hard delta]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-head-neuro-wink-gif-6355964661669756927

[potent birch]

Bring the wink back smadge

[rigid snow]

true!!!

[tender river]

@sage crag me also need something to use egg yolk for so make eclair too
might postpone it for tomorrow and only make cupcakes+swiss meringue today

eclair lots of work

[olive sable]

eclairs

[tender river]

actually ye i'll make eclairs tomorrow my saucepan is currently occupied by curry ingredients

[tender river]

at least i dont have to buy uht milk tried to buy it yesterday but they dont sell it in my closest grocery store

[olive sable]

"uht" milk?

[tender river]

they dont sell piping bags either but i'll use bottle + syringe maybe

[tender river]

ultra high temperature

[olive sable]

[tender river]

last long time

spoil in like 6 month

[olive sable]

oooh

[tender river]

called "ultra pasteurized" in russia

[olive sable]

"uht melk" here apparently

not available in any stores ive been tho

unless i jsut didnt see it

[tender river]

wikipedia says 20% of milk consumption in netherlands in 2007 was uht (that probably includes industrial use though)

[olive sable]

from what i can find

almost all the milk in belgium is uht

just doesnt get marketed

[tender river]

thats smart honestly, people are like "wtf this milk lasts for 6 months must not be real milk"

[olive sable]

ive drank this milk for 18 years of my life

it has uht on the box

i just didn't know what it meant before

[tender river]

its also possible it didnt have "uht" on the box before

[olive sable]

they did change the packaging a couple years ago

nah even then it already was uht

supposedly most of it has been uht since the 70s

its cheaper because of not needing to cool it in transport and storage apparently

[opaque sigil]

I always thought that was just the name for it being pasteurised, guess not

Not that it'd be another level

[olive sable]

Pasteurized milk uses lower heat for shorter times (around 72°C for 15s) for better flavor but has a short fridge life
UHT milk is superheated (135-150°C for seconds)

the ai overview said shorter times but its longer

UHT is only 3-5 seconds

[tender river]

🤔 i guess its more important in warmer climates

but maybe only in developed countries because of fancy equipment costs

[olive sable]

ye something liek that

the costs of the machines eventually outweight the cost of needing to cool the milk

[tender river]

but if labor is cheap in your country you just dont care

[olive sable]

chart is very outdated and only shows europe so not good source

but it does show a trend i geuss

[tender river]

will be off for a while, first to supermarket and then baking

[olive sable]

have fun

[sage crag]

ohisee

[sage crag]

in UK uht milk only used for baking and for "milk drink" milkshake

[olive sable]

what the hell is a "milk drink" milkshake?

how is it different from a normal milkshake?

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

So like choccy milk?

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nXzeYJvfbs0

this idiot strikes again

[olive sable]

this is like

"i jumped from a bridge and didn't break my legs, so its totally safe guys"

tbf he did say he would need to be careful if he upgraded his cpu or gpu

but just, upgrade the psu too at that point

[true hemlock]

i still wouldn't use that specific unit.

[olive sable]

ye

[true hemlock]

that unit is objectively ass

transient is ass

then it doesn't even have any ocp on any rails

i wouldn't use it even on old office pc

literal fire hazard

[tender river]

wrr can you make ganache from 20% cream

me not find anything higher

maybe add butter or something

[sage crag]

typically you'd use heavy cream which is almost double that

[tender river]

yee

[sage crag]

you can use milk and butter ye

[tender river]

problem for tomorrow me

piping eclair without piping bag also problem for tomorrow me

[sage crag]

you dont even need cream if youre willing to make it yourself from butter and milk

[rigid snow]

piping eclair

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

true!

wrrr me make meringue with 3 egg whites and add 1 extra egg white to cupcake batter should give enough yolks for eclairs

can just make more meringue but dont wanna use too much butter it expensive

[sage crag]

usually something like 1 butter to 3 milk i guess

unsalted

[olive sable]

konii got that elite cooking knowledge

[sage crag]

konii hav cookbook

[tender river]

me never buy salted anyway

[sage crag]

it would actually need to be whole milk though, not sure about the fat content of uht milk

probably fine

[rigid snow]

one thing i always wondered but i never find anything about it online or when i share this. my pitch perception changes in a very particular way when im hungover, its like +1 or +2 semitones on everything i hear. it fucks with your mind because of everyday sounds. like the microwave beeps and the way it spins up sounds wrong. notification sounds are wrong. etc

[tender river]

not have uht milk but one i bought is probably around 3%

[rigid snow]

maybe someone experienced this

[sage crag]

[tender river]

unrelated but yesterday i heard traffic light noises and it reminded me of some track from leroy's grave robbing

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

oh

i forgot those make noises

[rigid snow]

are you by chance

dead

deaf

[rigid snow]

autocorrect wins

[tender river]

are you by chance

either of those

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i am not dead i think

[olive sable]

i just havent been near a traffic light in a while

[sage crag]

nueorbrushie

[olive sable]

we have roundabouts

[tender river]

<-

[rigid snow]

the pedestrian crossing ones do

[olive sable]

i cycle

[rigid snow]

regular traffic lights have no reason to make noise

[sage crag]

beep beep beep

[tender river]

chayleave again

[olive sable]

bye

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i lied, ive been in a car with car traffic lights

those are quiet tho

[sage crag]

why havent cars evolved to produce their own traffic light

[rigid snow]

brake lights

[sage crag]

nnne not right

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

bwaa

[olive sable]

its 12am

im allowed to make noise

[vapid pulsar]

Bwaa

[olive sable]

i jsut noticed

cachyos's cpu usgae was already low

but nixos idles at 1%

[olive sable]

i jsut installed btop

[opaque sigil]

gtk warnings everywhere

[olive sable]

the process runs every second once

[true hemlock]

huh

i thought all os would idle like that?

oh

wait

I haven't touched win 11 yet

[olive sable]

idk what i did to my cachy

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1454471589809750184/GIF_20250415_150853_542.gif

[olive sable]

but nixos with discord, firefox playing music, vscode, and 3 kitty windows is at 1%

[true hemlock]

oh

i mean

my low power state preset also makes my 13900 idle at 1% with discord and browser video playing

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

win 10

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1452069761512112159/copy_CFBD3ED9-4A88-4341-B0AF-2450399B6EE7.gif

[olive sable]

im cleaning up my waybar

[true hemlock]

i find it funny that i can't even get win 11 because windows don't recognize my cpu lmao

good

I don't wanna move to win 11

[austere star]

i think i'm giving up on my dream of having a physically distinct homeserver

i've had a vm with everything in it for a while, i might as well have my PC run whenever i'm awake, and eat the electricity cost

it'll certainly be cheaper than replacing broken stuff, at least for a year or two

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

what specs

[austere star]

ryzen 7 5700x3d, RTX 3060, 32 gigs of memory

[true hemlock]

that's totally fine though

[austere star]

yeah, it's just that electricity gets expensive quick where i live

[true hemlock]

do undervolt on both cpu and gpu

[austere star]

i haven't tried undervolting my CPU yet

[true hemlock]

use the power saving preset

[true hemlock]

you should, its worth it

just might take time to figure it out

[austere star]

i have power saving turned on, and i'm running the LAVD scheduler

[true hemlock]

undervolt doesn't necessarily mean less performance

hm

[austere star]

it's not the hardware's fault, don't worry

[true hemlock]

damn

also try power limiting the gpu

[austere star]

i just wanted to have something else run 24x7 so i can have things stay online

[sage crag]

my waybar is very clean

0px tall

[true hemlock]

if done correctly your pc should idle at just below 70W

[olive sable]

just like you

[austere star]

it does

[true hemlock]

huh

then ig power bills is hella expensive there

[austere star]

bills won't sound too expensive, but purchasing power parity

50-60 USD a month with the PC running for around 15-18 hours a day

[olive sable]

for just the pc that's a lot

[austere star]

obviously the rest of the house also exists

[olive sable]

ah

[austere star]

but the bills drop to under 20 USD without the PC

[true hemlock]

oh damn

[austere star]

because the pricing goes up fast with extra usage

[true hemlock]

my power bills is uh

fucked up

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

to the point my pc doesn't even make any difference

[austere star]

70 watts is pretty nice when it comes to heat because i don't have to cool anything, but my laptop has a 65w charger, so in power terms it's not the best for 24x7 operation

[true hemlock]

my own personal pc

[olive sable]

i have no clue what our power bill is
soalr panels and stuff make me doubt my contribution is too high

[austere star]

what PC do you have

[olive sable]

5950x, 3090

[true hemlock]

i have a server that pulls constant 2-3 kW

then this lil fucker @umbral thorn often stress tested her shit

with the threadripper

[olive sable]

[rancid cedar]

A DNA strand (

[true hemlock]

my pc is the briefcase build

i9 13900 engineering sample, 4070 super, 128gb ddr4

[austere star]

that's really nice

[true hemlock]

idle it pulls less than 50W

so it doesn't even matter if i left it on 24/7

[austere star]

i was actually running a 1660 super until a month ago, i got the 3060 before they disappear due to RAM prices

[vapid pulsar]

So LLMs from scratch is a no.

[austere star]

i would try fine-tuning small models on it eventually but it's far beyond my paygrade at the moment

[vapid pulsar]

Can only do basic ones

[true hemlock]

pretraining is enterprise level funding lmao yeah

[austere star]

i would've liked a newer card because my hyperfixation interest lies more with video compression than language models, and ampere cards don't have a hardware AV1 encoder

so i don't have a hardware vs software encoding drag race to play with

[true hemlock]

i could bring it everywhere even hotels

[austere star]

but even the 40 series is a noticeable jump up from the 30 series in price

[rancid cedar]

cool

[austere star]

i assume you never take a flight

[true hemlock]

ahahahahaha

ahahahahahaha

[austere star]

it has no batteries, but i don't suppose airports or airlines find it very safe

[true hemlock]

i did

twice

i went from Australia to Indonesia to visit my family and i brought that

[vapid pulsar]

So either openai or some other open-source left

[true hemlock]

aura farmed at the security customs check, the security guy was chill enough to even joke about how i look like i would launch missiles with it

[cosmic sphinx]

LMAO

i had a moment like that a few weeks ago

brought a 13 or so year old fujitsu laptop with me

[austere star]

i'd generally only want LLMs for context-aware search of my notes, tagging things, and maybe searching from my own offline copy of wikipedia or something

[cosmic sphinx]

bro said "I havent seen those in a while"

[true hemlock]

its pretty much immune to customs fees

i9 13900 engineering sample isn't a retail chip

[austere star]

did you get it from aliexpress or something

[true hemlock]

from connections with chinese folks

but ali do have them

just that

[austere star]

so better than aliexpress

[true hemlock]

you gotta look into the steppings

mine is ES2 so pretty recent revision

handled -275mV undervolt like a champ

was a cherry picked sample

and i decided to just daily drive it now

[austere star]

my previous CPU was a dud

ryzen 7 1700, wouldn't survive any undervolting at all

[true hemlock]

rip

[austere star]

it's why i haven't touched my current CPU at all

[true hemlock]

it shouldn't have made it as a ryzen 7

but ig old AMD just suck

[austere star]

that entire set of hardware was cursed

only the gpu from it turned out okay

[true hemlock]

also my 7950x engi sample isn't as good though but is pretty close to retail regardless

only handled -65mV

[austere star]

the motherboard kicked the bucket and MSI refused to get it replaced under RMA because they can't replicate the issue on their end, the RAM slowly died off, the PSU was one of the gigabyte models that explode, even the case had its power button and glass side panel break in a year

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

damn

[austere star]

what's worse is i bought it all from a store on the other end of the city on march 20th, 2020; we had our first wave of lockdowns from the very next day

[olive sable]

you built a server from manufacturer error parts

[true hemlock]

that's rough

[austere star]

i'm very happy with the stability of my current setup by comparison

[true hemlock]

im looking to snatch a 7500f for like $90 next month

[austere star]

the only sad bit is that i got a smaller case to take up less space, but that means i can only fit a maximum of two hard drives; i now have 3, so i can't fit them all

[true hemlock]

just hang it somewhere lol

[austere star]

zen 4 CPUs are getting pretty cheap over here because the memory is getting so expensive that nobody's buying the CPUs anymore

[austere star]

you won't like my current solution any more than that

[true hemlock]

got my 7950x engi sample for $290

[austere star]

it's sitting in a metal shroud outside the case, sandwiched between the computer and my UPS

[olive sable]

got my 5950x + 64gb ram + x570 mobo for 300 euro

[true hemlock]

bro robbed the guy fr

[olive sable]

$352

[true hemlock]

eh tbf

got threadripper 3990x + 256gb ddr4 + trx40 board + strx4 noctua cooler for $1.3k

:)

[sage crag]

puter

[olive sable]

l'eputer

[sage crag]

electronic puter

[true hemlock]

sad

can't hunt as much pc parts as past 1 year anymore next year

god

i fucking hate openai so much

[austere star]

i shall refrain from talking about sam altman to remain within ToS but i don't like the situation we're in

[olive sable]

hi im sam

[sage crag]

are you sure

[olive sable]

what were you gonna say to me?

[true hemlock]

sam triangle

[sage crag]

that

samuel vanuel "🔺" manuel

[austere star]

i knew enough sams in my life, sam #243, for me to keep altman in his own coffin in my head

[true hemlock]

my opinion about sam altman is gonna be

[olive sable]

as member of the council of sam, we dont want him

[sage crag]

quuck did you know that there are feral parakeets in the UK

[olive sable]

"feral" = wild?

[sage crag]

NOT wild

their origin is likely released pets

[true hemlock]

heard about it yeah, domesticated mostly

[sage crag]

therefore feral

[true hemlock]

nice internet

[olive sable]

parakeets

thebirds

[sage crag]

here parakeet

[true hemlock]

this is 100% the reason

[sage crag]

theres a whole wikipedia article on it

[true hemlock]

they're all domesticated

[sage crag]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_parakeets_in_Great_Britain

[sage crag]

not exactly, theyve been around in the wild since 1960s ish

[true hemlock]

ringnecks huh

[sage crag]

the population are probably largely non-domestic

[true hemlock]

yeah, domesticated

they're not native in uk

nor any eu countries

[olive sable]

how do i get icons to work?
they all turn into the weird squares with numbers inside

[sage crag]

as of 2012 there were 32k in london alone

[sage crag]

do you mean naturalised? or invasive?

[olive sable]

font icons broken

[true hemlock]

domesticated.

turns into invasive

[sage crag]

domesticated usually have implication of tame when referring to animals

[true hemlock]

nope

domestication can happen quite long ago

and the said species change overtime

if they survived that long, they're likely invasive

[sage crag]

naturalised or invasive better word to refer to population of non-native species

wrr

[olive sable]

fixed it
fonts need a seperate fonts.packages

apparently

[true hemlock]

i need

the

ryzen 9 10950x engi sample

[sage crag]

red triangle cpu

[true hemlock]

iwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwantiwant

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

i wonder

how many more cpu generation would we need

[sage crag]

i wonder what i would get on red triangle bench today

[true hemlock]

to beat my triangle score on stock settings

zen 7 def not doing it still

[olive sable]

what cpu and gpu you got again?

[true hemlock]

raphael

7600x?

i forgot

[olive sable]

id guess 50-60K

[true hemlock]

probably lower tbh

or did you just made another optimization that i missed

god damn it

[sage crag]

7600

integrated

[true hemlock]

wait till i get my 13950hx

[sage crag]

i dont remember what my previous score was

something like 27k

[true hemlock]

that one can overclock to 6ghz without much cooling

[sage crag]

can someone send the bench

did you add a nix thing yet or do i have to go find that too

[true hemlock]

.

[olive sable]

its hard to interpolate data from the leaderboard when we made different optimizations and stuff during the tests

[sage crag]

god damn it

no flake.nix no shell.nix

[true hemlock]

the whole benchmark is also an intelligence benchmark for us to figure out the best optimization and compile flags for our system lol

[olive sable]

you did do the triangle thing already tho at 10th place 26364fps

[sage crag]

i think i can do better now

[true hemlock]

go ahead

i guess either of us gotta manually update the score

[sage crag]

i dont have git on my system

good job me

[olive sable]

oh

i dont either

i should fix that

[true hemlock]

because im hella sure i forgot to give elvy access to my endpoint server

so no bot

[olive sable]

i can do it via the website i guess

[true hemlock]

yeah

that'll do

[sage crag]

om, it didnt spawn a window

[olive sable]

spotify supposedly gets a different bg colour in waybar, and i wanted to test that.
so itried to log in via google but it said i don't have a spotify account linked to my google.
so then i went to sign up but there it complains i already have one linked to my google.

now i need to log in via facebook

[true hemlock]

wtf

[sage crag]

there's no window

its a false result

sam code broke

[olive sable]

its very possible the window doesnt get rendered cuz of the size beign too small

[true hemlock]

gave me heart attack lmao

[sage crag]

oh wait nvm

its there

its just tiny

[true hemlock]

oh

[sage crag]

i found it

[true hemlock]

well fuck me i guess i need to redo that shit

[olive sable]

i had on cachy where the window being lower than 5x5 would break it

so its set to 5x5 standart i think

[mellow snow]

you know whats dumb some skid did a DoS(one-IP DDoS) from there home
it was a basic REST exploit based on the register API of my chat platform, I patched it easly
and reported the IP on abusedb and to the ISP she likely will be without internet and all cause she got jellous of my coding skills and wanted to shutdown my platform
I think this is one way to inhiliate yourself of the internet

[sage crag]

im the winner

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

log down my highest value of 108743 fps

[true hemlock]

god fucking damn

[sage crag]

[mellow snow]

my platform looks good I wish I had image perms to show it

[olive sable]

konii what the fuck did you do

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

yeah what the hell

[mellow snow]

yayyy!!!

[olive sable]

konii how did you run it on your nix?

[sage crag]

make run

[olive sable]

ooh

[sage crag]

{ pkgs ? import <nixpkgs> {} }: pkgs.mkShell rec {
  nativeBuildInputs = with pkgs; [
    lld
    clang
    gcc-unwrapped
  ];
  buildInputs = with pkgs; [
    glm
    sdl3

    vulkan-volk
    vulkan-loader
    vulkan-headers
  ];
  env.LD_LIBRARY_PATH = pkgs.lib.makeLibraryPath buildInputs;
  env.NIX_ENFORCE_NO_NATIVE = 0;
}

and heres the shell.nix

[true hemlock]

what the hell

[olive sable]

how do i use a shell.nix?

[true hemlock]

wait

[sage crag]

nix-shell

[olive sable]

uh

[true hemlock]

try the version that i posted

[mellow snow]

what is shell.nix

[sage crag]

i did, its the latest from the git repository

[mellow snow]

is it like gradio

[sage crag]

i just added the shell.nix

[true hemlock]

i mean this

just snatch the c++ code and stuff

i am in complete disbelief

how the fuck

naaaah im in complete disbelief

[sage crag]

it wont work since i use linux and not windows

[true hemlock]

yeah just snatch the c++

not the whole thing lol

[sage crag]

ohkay

[true hemlock]

might not work first time

[nocturne olive]

KDE is kinda heavy I believe

[true hemlock]

actually

@nocturne olive

try the new vulkan triangle

[olive sable]

hyprland

[true hemlock]

i do bring my samsung b die kit though so i might be able to do slight extreme overclock again

in case i need to beat the damn score

[olive sable]

nah but like. how did she get to 100K now.
whats the science behind this?

this has to be either a bug or some thing that boosts performance

[sage crag]

53k

[true hemlock]

idfk how much you got on the 5950x

[olive sable]

41K on cachy

[austere star]

could i have some context

[olive sable]

so 53K now?
what did you do different?

[olive sable]

https://github.com/samvanmaele/vulkan

[sage crag]

its the window size

[true hemlock]

my 102K score was on that same c++ code on my discord post

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

huh

[olive sable]

what did you change about the window size?

[true hemlock]

okay try using the usual 300x200 window size on the new c++

[sage crag]

nothing, its just the defaults from both

[sage crag]

where is that in the code

[true hemlock]

uhh

i forgot

@olive sable

god, if that's legit i could've scored 200K

[olive sable]

i need my top scientists on this

[true hemlock]

wait till i get back to Australia where i have all my stuff

[olive sable]

there's some hpp file with a long and bad name

[true hemlock]

try to move the window around too

see if its not just buffer bug

[sage crag]

const int MAX_FRAMES_IN_FLIGHT = 1;
const int WIDTH = 7;
const int HEIGHT = 6;

found it

[true hemlock]

what the hell

fif of 1 too

there's no fucking way

there's no way that's legit

[sage crag]

noepe its still

[true hemlock]

no like

[rigid snow]

what are the dimensions again?

[true hemlock]

it could very well be a bug

[tender river]

wrr too much cupcake experiment today
add honey and not use self raising flour (because you said its not necessary so i wondered what the result would be)
added a bit too much honey (around 2 tbsp), right before the end cupcakes were boiling somehow, and they're a tiny bit sticky from the honey (it's clear it's not the batter) maybe would be better with self raising
but weirdest part was how i somehow ended up with 30% less batter despite having more ingredients
anyway now i have smaller and less cupcakes but still tasty and fluffy and honey flavored make eclair tomorrow anyway

[sage crag]

ignore osu top right

[tender river]

meringue now

[nocturne olive]

Cachy is KDE no?

[olive sable]

thats cpu rendering no?

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[olive sable]

i used hyprland

[sage crag]

USE_GPU=0

[true hemlock]

koni scored 108K on a 7600... non x

[olive sable]

i dint even make any differences, that repo has been the same for months

[true hemlock]

huh

[sage crag]

wrr

[true hemlock]

its doubled for koni

[nocturne olive]

On CachyOS?

[olive sable]

yes

ive always used hyprland on linux

[nocturne olive]

Wuh
And what am I meant to do about that?

[sage crag]

well, when i ran it the first time i got 27k

[true hemlock]

try it on your pc

[potent birch]

But I'm the sole user though ????

[sage crag]

now i get 53k on quuck's version and 108k on sam's version

[nocturne olive]

Then I don't know, maybe different kernel or something? Or just different processes active

[rigid snow]

wog rfrog rsmog

[potent birch]

That's a whole 12gb space that unreal will not be using wtf

[olive sable]

oh my days

whats the difference????

[nocturne olive]

Hem
I remember it being annoying to compile

My PC has also been unstable recently so I don't want to touch it too hard right now
Though since it didn't crash yesterday it's possible I fixed the crashes

[sage crag]

its not even pinning my cpu

[olive sable]

thats concerning ngl

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

def a bug...

[olive sable]

i need to do a biopsy

would you mind sending both version in a zip or whatever?

[sage crag]

16c

i think my hw sensors may be a little broken

31c is air temperature in here

i dont have aio or anything

[rigid snow]

misinformation lies deceit propaganda fake psyop false distortion of fact mislead bias

[olive sable]

how the fuck is it 31C in your room?

actual sauna

[sage crag]

insulation

[rigid snow]

friction

[sage crag]

i mean i can also give you my bios config and nix config

[rigid snow]

fiction

[sage crag]

im a little overclocked but not by much

im not an overclocker

[olive sable]

i think i did change something about which cpu cores were used soemwhere.
maybe quacks' uses the old one and im assuming what konii refers to as my version is the latest update to the repo????

[nocturne olive]

Eh my PC probably makes my room warm like that too so not surprised about high air temp in a room with PC

[sage crag]

im using the latest git

i could probably push up the frames even more if i fiddled with it

[olive sable]

it probably doens tmatter too much but im intruiged

the biggest difference has to be in the code

hmmmm

i think i have an idea

[true hemlock]

i'll try it in about 7 days

[olive sable]

could you send main.cpp of both versions?

i want to see what cores are used

[true hemlock]

keep the original new repo

[austere star]

editing the makefile rn, there's no real preference between clang and gcc right

[true hemlock]

though if you wanted a fair comparison she got 53K on the exact same version i used to get 102K

[true hemlock]

iirc gcc gives slightly more

[sage crag]

i need to refactor this

[sage crag]

i used clang

[true hemlock]

same

inb4 ash gets 150K

imma lose it

[olive sable]

how do i go to cpu rendering again?

[true hemlock]

im not even at my home town rn

im at china

bro wtf

[olive sable]

for some reason the hardcoded core for the renderthread became const int core_id = 19; in the latest repo version

idk why

[rough bloom]

change the GPU scoring function to prefer llvmpipe IIRC

[austere star]

uuh i had plasma crash and close all my programs when i ran it

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

surely it has fallback?

[austere star]

please don't tell me my hardware has trouble again

[olive sable]

oh ye i have a thing i programmed for that

nice old me

[sage crag]

it freezes my system for a little bit too, i doubt its a stability issue but maybe

[sage crag]

@olive sable my nix configs

[olive sable]

thanks

[sage crag]

im going to fiddle with my bios some more

brb

[olive sable]

she's trying to completely beat us now

[true hemlock]

internet will be dogshit

[true hemlock]

7 days

imma take back that position

[sage crag]

something or other

[olive sable]

oh

konii got that 6000mhz ram

[austere star]

tried it a few more times, it seems to crash my entire wayland session apparently

because all my applications close too

[olive sable]

its not supposed to do that

[austere star]

it doesn't seem to be a memory leak, nor does it ping my CPU or my GPU to 100%, so i'm not sure what's going on

[sage crag]

@true hemlock

[olive sable]

[austere star]

i have to leave the house in 10 minutes, so i'll check this out tomorrow

[olive sable]

ye my scores are shit

[sage crag]

i have iommu disabled, smt disabled

[olive sable]

smt

hmmm

konii

i think you might be running on the igpu

which i don't have

[sage crag]

i dont have a dgpu, so yeah

[olive sable]

ye but like

our dgpu scores are bad so we use llvmpipe

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile my PC which has an iGPU but can't use it

[olive sable]

but quack's high score of 100k uses 4070 super so its not like dgpu is always bad

[sage crag]

oh sorry smt was enabled

[olive sable]

oh

then we're on the same

[true hemlock]

my setup last time was

only 2 p cores enabled

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

i think igpu might just be op

[trim valve]

time to fix my nixos

[true hemlock]

i'll try with igpu later

[sage crag]

hang on ive disabled smt

time to see if anything changes

took a while to boot

[true hemlock]

smt disabled

2nd thread

[sage crag]

disabling smt put me down to 87k

[true hemlock]

overclock to sustained 7.6ghz

mem overclock i forgot but it was with really tight timings

and i get significantly way more than 2nd place

[true hemlock]

that's so weird

[olive sable]

Graphics Model AMD Radeon™ Graphics
Graphics Core Count 2
Graphics Frequency 2200 MHz

those 2 graphics cores are beating our asses

[sage crag]

fiddling with ram timings rn

[austere star]

I did one last run, the last number printed to the console before wayland crashes was something in the 90k range

I assume the numbers in the middle don't count through

[olive sable]

if waylnd crashed idk what it was even doing

maybe vulkan issue?

[sage crag]

probably just cpu usage

rebooting after fiddling with timings takes ages

mem retraining

[austere star]

I have run stress-ng in the past, that seemed to be stable enough

[true hemlock]

how the fuck is 5700x3d getting 90k

okay

[austere star]

Though nvidia drivers have never played too well with me on linux

[olive sable]

the program is only set to use 2 cores at msot tho (+ whatever vulkan is using in the bg)

[true hemlock]

i need to try that new repo

seriously

[olive sable]

id assume 3d vcache

[trim valve]

new repo

[tender river]

smol

[true hemlock]

3d vcache doesn't affect it

[sage crag]

im starting to get a little concerned at the

boot time

[sage crag]

ye smol

i shouldnt be trusted to touch timings

ill keep waiting and hope my heart rate doesnt increase

[austere star]

I'll try record it with my phone when I get back home

[olive sable]

it might. vulkkan is pretty sizable

[austere star]

I'll also run it on my pentium silver laptop later just for shits and giggles

[olive sable]

pentium 💀
might not have vulkan suppor

[true hemlock]

im losing it

[austere star]

It should, the pentium silver N5030 is relatively recent

[true hemlock]

im so losing it

[austere star]

2021 i think

[true hemlock]

akhhajkah

jahdkshskshakhs

[sage crag]

when will i boot

[olive sable]

i thought those were server cpu. didnt know they had igpu

[true hemlock]

never™

[rough bloom]

soon, surely

[austere star]

2019 apparently

[sage crag]

its over

[olive sable]

i think you might need to reset

[true hemlock]

yep

[austere star]

The boot sequence is over or the computer is joever

[sage crag]

im gonna go get breakfast and let it do its thing

[true hemlock]

too tight

[sage crag]

mem retraining will take 1 year

[rough bloom]

Pentium = weak consumer CPUs, Xeon = server (& sometimes workstation?) CPUs

[olive sable]

oh

im confusing them

[true hemlock]

workstation is extreme edition consumer cpu

xeons are always server

[rough bloom]

Xeon W exist

[true hemlock]

that's also server though?

[sage crag]

fastboot not letting me use del key

forgot to turn off

[rough bloom]

don't think so, no

I've definitely seen Xeon workstations too

[true hemlock]

oh

[sage crag]

i dont wanna do cmos reset

[true hemlock]

my definition of server is low clock high core count with enterprise features

because i uh

associate workstation with the one slightly more similar with consumer

higher clocks

but with extra stuff

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

so basically threadrippers are workstation/prosumers in my book

aswell with i9 10900X

10980XE

something like those

[rough bloom]

can try just restarting during training a few times I think?
usually if memory training fails too often it should allow you to reset

[true hemlock]

and xeons are all server/enterprise in my book lol

basically intel's epyc

nvm

[sage crag]

gigabyte bios

[true hemlock]

w series apparently has high clocks

i forgot

lost all aura there

w9 3495x boost to 4.8ghz christ

yep that's workstation

[sage crag]

DisplayPort NO Signal

[olive sable]

My pc froze

oh

im back

on llvmpipe there isnt a single core in my pc going higher than 40% usage.

[rough bloom]

ye don't worry it's just confusing Intel naming
arguably should not be called Xeon, should have a new label like Threadripper or Ryzen Pro instead
but it doesn't

[true hemlock]

the "W" is literally "Workstation"

DUDE

THE AURA LOSS

[true hemlock]

yeah

[olive sable]

on 3090 it does 0fps, but when i resize the window it goes to 50K fps while making my hyprland unresponsvie

[true hemlock]

its so ass

[sage crag]

its overrrrrrrr

my system

[olive sable]

maybe i need to change it to a different core

[sage crag]

pls wake up

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

time to unplug

[sage crag]

my cmos is under a stupid heat spreader

that i have to unscrew

[true hemlock]

my 9655 boost to just up to 4.3GHz though

all core

[sage crag]

im gonna unplug for like 5 minutes

and go reset bios