programming

[austere fiber]

Comes from outside

Yeah but im kinda homeless (hj)

[idle dune]

Nah it is, a hyper 212 is 20 dollars. It can mount on any socket, and it can reasonably cool any cpu up to 120w.

[austere fiber]

One is like 160R$ (it IS cheap, although im poor)

[visual pawn]

I'm seeing one in Brazil for 60R$

[austere fiber]

Thats my old one

And it would stop worling in months

In brazil everything is pretty much pirated

[visual pawn]

Well, to be frank, how are you planning to buy a new computer if you are broke?

[idle dune]

^^^^

[austere fiber]

I just said ill only have one on christmas... next year.

[visual pawn]

Because a computer is going to be a lot more expensive

[austere fiber]

💔

[visual pawn]

Well, in regards to specs, your GPU, if you have one, should have its model written on it

[austere fiber]

Dont question my sense (ik it doesnt make sense but u gotta see if from the vision of someone who knows nothingabt pc and trusting on techs would be WAY more expensive cuz theyre all lying assholes that want way too muhc money to do almost nothing)

[visual pawn]

The CPU is a big unknown given that you said it doesn't work now after forcing it to work

[austere fiber]

Anyways i gotta go

[idle dune]

[jagged turtle]

???

[visual pawn]

Well alrighty then

[austere fiber]

I cant do anything related to the topic by myself so id need to trust in someone else to do the work

And the "specialistd" are always just scamming ppl

*specialists

[visual pawn]

Well, all I'm saying is that if you're short on money, it may make more sense to fix your computer than to try and afford a whole new one

[idle dune]

Guys, peole are scalping RAM and SSds near me. Its GPU Drought 2.0 all over again.

[jagged turtle]

what area do you live to not trust specialists

[austere fiber]

Yeah but again

Id need to trust in a tech to do anything because im dumb and have no uhhhh

Tools

Have no tools

[visual pawn]

But you are asking here for help for doing something yourself without paying a tech right?

[austere fiber]

Brazil

[austere fiber]

Yeah kinda

[visual pawn]

You just need a screwdriver

A modern PC isn't a very complicated thing to take apart and put together

[austere fiber]

Ik im going to fuck it up

Im dumb guys trust

[jagged turtle]

you never know until you try

[visual pawn]

If you want to sell your parts individually then you are going to need to use the screwdriver anyways

[austere fiber]

Fuck ur right💔

And i was just going to upgrade the pc this christmas but it gave up on me

So getting a better pc in general was the plan all along

[visual pawn]

And you probably will get way less than it's worth if you try to sell the whole thing as just a broken PC

[idle dune]

Get a hyper 212, repalce your cooler. You will more than likely make the machien wok again.

[austere fiber]

Itll just take like... and entire year now.

[austere fiber]

Its not just the cooler bro

[visual pawn]

Well, I'd be a bit concerned with it not booting up at all anymore instead of just shutting down quickly

[austere fiber]

The pc was getting slower and slower

Ill just waste the money atp

[visual pawn]

The PC getting slower and slower doesn't mean much

It could just be the CPU throttling from getting too hot

[austere fiber]

And the image was getting... weird

It looked like a bloom effect was applied

💔

[visual pawn]

Do you have a separate GPU?

Like, does your PC have a big card attached to it that has its own fans?

It should be sticking out horizontal to the rest of the motherboard

[austere fiber]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhj

Idk

💔

But our gpu is a card i think

I remember taking it out and in

Or smth like that

[visual pawn]

like this?

or like this?

[austere fiber]

This

Wait

Uhhh

Idk

Aaa

[visual pawn]

can you take a picture of it?

[idle dune]

Do you have a link to the computer you bought if you bought it online or take a pic and send it

[visual pawn]

or that yeah

[austere fiber]

I bought it like 2 years ago

I do t have it

Also i cant send images

Ill send it on your private

[idle dune]

Then send a pic of it on the outside and on the inside

Send it to @visual pawn

I gotta go to sleep

[austere fiber]

Ok

[visual pawn]

the GPU is a Radeon RX 550

[austere fiber]

Woah

[visual pawn]

I dunno what the market is like in Brazil, but it seems to go for like $30 to $50 here at best

[austere fiber]

Mmmhhh

[visual pawn]

it's not exactly desirable

[austere fiber]

1 dollar is 6 real

So yeah uhhmmm

Anyways i gotta go

But thanks

[stray dragon]

i don't think i've ever seen a pc with a psu as low as 400w

and an rx550? damn

[rigid snow]

400w is crazy

[stray dragon]

do they even sell anything weaker than 400w?

[rigid snow]

550 was popular tho

[visual pawn]

it seems like a decently popular low-level card

when it came out

[rigid snow]

yeye

[stray dragon]

apparently they go down to 200w

where would you even use a 200w psu...

[visual pawn]

but like I said, I have no idea what their used components market is like

[rigid snow]

to charge yo phone and shi

[stray dragon]

that's one powerful phone god damn

[visual pawn]

hey you can power a laptop off of a 100W USB power adapter nowadays

[rigid snow]

xiaomi ye

[stray dragon]

laptop and phone have battery to handle load spikes

that's why they run off of low power chargers

[visual pawn]

I have a friend who broke her power adapter port and in the meantime is keeping the laptop powered by USB-C

[stray dragon]

damn ok!!!

[visual pawn]

the battery still drains slowly but it takes over a day

so your point still stands lol

[rigid snow]

is usb c not the primary charging source nowadaws

[visual pawn]

well, not for this laptop

TUF A16 I think?

[stray dragon]

i honestly hope not, usb c is a fragile port in my experience

keeps having issues too damn often

[visual pawn]

it seems the USB-C power for that one was marketed more as an alternative charging option

but then you have issues with people not knowing about data-only USB-C cables and stuff

a universal port for non-universal cables

or I should say a universal form factor

[rigid snow]

definitely not my laptop

wow is that photo ever ass

best i could do

s orry

[visual pawn]

🤝 terrible at photos

[rigid snow]

no just alcohok

i'm good at phot

usually\

[hard delta]

it's mandatory to have it thanks to some eu law but they never did a "realistic" check

[kindred nymph]

i have been programming for the last 6 hours straight and now my brain is soup. gn people

[visual pawn]

just drink your brain back

[kindred nymph]

let me try it

bad news it gotten worse

[hard delta]

in that case sleep it off

[rigid snow]

it's 1 am

[kindred nymph]

nah it's 4am for me

anyways gn

[jagged turtle]

it's 7pm

timezones

[rigid snow]

7pm being drunk not as bad as 1pm

[jagged turtle]

did it just timeskip 12 hours?

[nocturne olive]

So apparently my network did not stabilize after rebooting the router and not overnight, at least not yet

[rigid snow]

[ivory plinth]

[rigid snow]

i've just played 2 games of cs through a tcp vpn

ama

[ivory plinth]

[tender river]

@rough bloom

[sage crag]

cheesi

[rigid snow]

neuroAYAYA~1

[sage crag]

20 MB :MONKA:

birt

my friend sent me this birt i wanted to share it

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

TCP VPN
kill

[rigid snow]

i mean

if ip not in country

not work if not masquerading as tls

because you can figure why

[rough bloom]

no UDP at all?

[rigid snow]

there IS a way but very unreliable

[tender river]

me have udp via ipv6 tunnel to he.net

[tender river]

we had a parrot when i was in primary school

[sage crag]

parakeets are naturalised in the UK

they just live here

lol

[tender river]

so cute as long as they dont do their business on you then still cute but also very annoying

[tender river]

uk

tropical climate

true!

[sage crag]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_parakeets_in_Great_Britain

[tender river]

fibonacci parakeets

[sage crag]

[tender river]

secret parrot plan to destroy uk

[sage crag]

[tender river]

oh you're a bird fan? name all birds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individual_birds

[tender river]

oh speaking of birds

while watching utena

me notice

[sage crag]

bird 1, bird 2, bird 3, bird 4

[tender river]

at some point there are some birds that look like bullfinch

me check japanese name of bullfinch

it ウソ

probably symbolism

[sage crag]

is uncommon name for bird

why do sub emotes not work the same as normal ones

just typing vedalSurprise is enough to create the emote

[tender river]

twitch discord partnership

[sage crag]

i didnt use colons

[tender river]

discord replicate twitch experience

[sage crag]

it just send

[tender river]

discord thought of that

they figured you probably wanted to send

but if you didnt theres an easy way to escape it and not convert

you just

go to profile settings

unlink twitch

wrr me sleep few hour

[sage crag]

[glass jetty]

i have no idea whats going on

[sage crag]

[glass jetty]

can any one explain to me why tf udp for dns not work properly

while i just talk in voice chat rn

can watch stream and etc.

that is literally debug lvl of logging

[faint sandal]

what the hell is this image

[glass jetty]

dns works for librewolf main window

i can search for random site and open it

[haughty basin]

this is so hilarious I wanna share the joy with you guys 🤣

my ADHD brain can generate some unexpected punchlines at times
ever got this double "verify you're not a bot" checkbox? you might be an android... 🤣

[lilac apex]

"I'm a professional at programming!"

fn main() {
    let mut x = true;

    if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    } else if true {
        x = false;
    } else if false {
        x = true;
    }

    println!("{x}");
}```

[glass jetty]

why

rust

everywhere

[lilac apex]

BECAUSE I LOVE RUST

SO WHAT

[glass jetty]

why

[lilac apex]

Because

Rust

[glass jetty]

how can i define and or not_eq

[lilac apex]

commonJS sucks so I used Rust

[haughty basin]

people just haven't discovered Clojure and Rich Hickey yet, so they idolize Rust 🤷

[lilac apex]

Just

[glass jetty]

what is Rich Hickey ?

[lilac apex]

Uh

Wrap it

[lilac apex]

let a = true;
let b = false;

let andd = a && b;   // and
let orr  = a || b;   // or
let nott = !a;       // nut```

It's simpleeee

It's built in primitives

Soo no need to def

[glass jetty]

just go to rustd
and add in source code tokens {and, or, not_eq, bitand, xor, etc...}
then compile and use it
for shipping with git (and compile, if you havent compiled rustc from source), and shipping with other ppl in general, just make script that change every single and to &&, and all && into and after pull

sooo simple

[lilac apex]

Yes it is very simple

[glass jetty]

wdym by that? what a stupid thing to do

[lilac apex]

No it's not

You just hate Rust

✌️

[glass jetty]

imagine making temp variable and call it and instead of purpose-name

[glass jetty]

nope

[glass jetty]

maybe you just stupid

[glass jetty]

anyway
wtf is this i dont understand

why it just time out

[lilac apex]

This is stupid

And won't even work

[glass jetty]

lol, why?

[glass jetty]

i thought it is an issue why i cant load youtube in librefox private window
but it works now, and i literally have no idea what this dns timeouts meant to do
-# it still log this meaningless dns timeouts

[lilac apex]

One upstream update and it's all crashing down

[maiden geyser]

hello sprout user

[lilac apex]

Man if there was any way to use else if easier :(

[glass jetty]

lol, what?
are you really kid or something?

[lilac apex]

Nooo I've been using rust since 2017

[haughty basin]

a guy that basically reached zen in computer programming and figured out how to program with least amount of friction possible, you should look up his talks at least once

and you might not get it unless you spent years in actual software development in an actual team working on an actual product and dropping actual database / breaking prod accidentally and getting actually fired because of your mistakes 🤣

the man figured out why we have bugs at all; what exactly is problem-solving; why FP (functional programming) is the end game of it all; and other important things

and I watched his talks like 10+ years ago and they only become even more relevant today, I keep rewatching them from time to time only to realize with years passed the videos start making even more sense than before 🤣

[glass jetty]

and dropping actual database / breaking prod accidentally
sounds like skill issue
just do backup cmon
(and never accept llm code nowedays)

[haughty basin]

Zen of Clojure is you're making your own DSL to solve specific programming problem

[glass jetty]

functional is really good, unless you follow it in everything

[maiden geyser]

why FP (functional programming) is the end game of it all
did he smoke a lot

[glass jetty]

i guess he really talk about specific set of bugs

.
std::ranges, std::optional and std::expected are really great
but just with functional, you cant do things like coroutines and std::execution, cant do (games entity system whatever it called i forgot), cant even make easy-to-use single entry like dispatcher (for logger, asio, etc)

i not know rust enough to make them i guess
is it even possible in safe? i not sure

rust even messier than cpp for me

lifetimes and template-by-default-have-nothing is really great features tho...

[haughty basin]

One example is Boeing team wrote about 30k lines of code for entire airplane to handle hundreds of sensors (~6,000 faults can be reported), which translates about ~5 lines of code per fault. They also mention it's roughly around 1700~ requirements they had to implement.

And so Boeing hired people that didn't know Clojure before, and they learned it over 2 weeks and were able to write this tiny system (30k LOC is practically nothing these days). And what's impressive they chose Clojure for mission-critical system (an actual airplane sensor reporting system)

And the reason they got it all because how simple Clojure is really, you can learn entire syntax in under a week.

raspasov

Development of an onboard application in Clojure for the Boeing 737 Max [video]

Hacker News · Apr 16, 2016, 6:27 PM

[maiden geyser]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsVBdDkjx29kY9qGdP-ejdZxXwKMkoU7G9_g&s

how is one supposed to look at this and think this is a real usable thing

it makes more sense to implement oop in c

[glass jetty]

it make no sense to implement oop in c

[maiden geyser]

exactly

[haughty basin]

Also there's ClojureScript that basically compiles into javascript and it's still going. Derek did a good job explaining why choose Clojure over JS. but this screenshot is one of the reasons why 🤣

Can you tell which language it is btw?

And here's how Clojure looks like.
Notice that the only syntax here is

• lists (...) for code / function calls
• vectors [...] for ordered data
• maps {...} for key/value
• a small set of special forms like let, fn, for, doseq, if

THAT'S LITERALLY IT

And yes you can technically compile clojure into rust if you wish so

you can compile to C, to Java, to JavaScript, and you can make your own compiled platform/language, anything.

Basically you can just learn one language and compile it to anything 🤣

[glass jetty]

i always wonder, how ppl who drop examples like this ignore basic thing - assembly call operation is quite costly
tried to find good example that compare, but found only this post, but anyway it is common sense lol

[glass jetty]

seems like js....

since when js have namespace ::console.log()

[signal beacon]

hey check dms i sent you the cl ratings of each ram module

lmk if they need to be changed or not

[glass jetty]

also, i literally will never work with any one who thing it is normal syntax to work with

[glass jetty]

Basically you can just learn one language and compile it to anything 🤣
just use java/python

if you want it to work everywhere

and not care about perf

[haughty basin]

this compiles and works, if you wanna I can drop repo with Dockerfile + package.json

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kon-anime-anime-girl-willcore-gif-24034970

Morning

[glass jetty]

this is bullshit syntax

[haughty basin]

exactly, there's so many ways you can f this up

[maiden geyser]

morbing

[haughty basin]

well, Java/Python doesn't really interop with JavaScript, is it? You can't use React in Python without some magic

And yet ClojureScript has Reagent

[glass jetty]

absolute shit
id better go, idk:

1. play minecraft
2. doomscroll youtube
3. continue reading of linux kernel development book

[rigid snow]

YOU WOKE UP???

LIEK

WHAT

10 houts already

surely that's bad

[olive sable]

?

[quick condor]

I want a 6000 so I can use 123b as my base model

[haughty basin]

Also templates 🤣
compare two
both are kinda 💩 in my opinion but JSX is much worse exactly because... well you need to learn a new JSX syntax... adding to a problem of bloated syntax of ES6+ reality...

but alas, people should continue learning Rust and whatever new language that comes out once in 5 years 🤣

[olive sable]

I went to bed like 7 hours ago

[rigid snow]

i'm still drtunk

[olive sable]

Oh

Drink some water

[nocturne olive]

Random NeuroSynthing

I don't know where to go from this state

[faint sandal]

can wayland not deal with overscan

[rough bloom]

should be able to

that's not even a concern of Wayland, it's part of modesetting

[signal beacon]

It lacks an xrandr equivalent

[quick condor]

Vedal was 100% correct when he said the discord python libraries have fuck all for documentation. I need to see if the main branch of pycord will fix more than it breaks since it updated 4 days ago... Best part is it not only has zero documentation, it has zero error handling for voice

[haughty basin]

not a single LLM could solve me a problem with making a simple discord bot that can connect to a voice channel and transmit audio streams from users in real-time via websocket, and exactly because of this

today it should be easier with agentic tools because at least they can generate some code, try it, fail, repeat, debug and so on but a year ago or so it was plain impossible to fix it, it would insist that things should work and straight up point up to a library that doesn't handle streams and say "this must work"

pretty much you have to read docs yourself and figure out what is not in them (which is a lot of stuff)

[mossy fossil]

so how are y'all coping with the ongoing SSD/RAM Crisis? i just got a shitload of laptop HDDs that were given to me for free from my local municipality's IT Department (they were throwing them away otherwise)

[olive sable]

i spent 600 bucks on enough storage that i will never need to buy storage again

[quick condor]

For pycord, discord kept silently dropping the websocket. Pycord had zero error handling so it just broke and I didn't know why. Fix was adding keep alive packets

I have enough ram to not care

[mossy fossil]

for what i do, 16 GB is already overkill

[olive sable]

blender likes eating the full 64gb of ram for physics baking

[mossy fossil]

plus my linux system is so optimized that the startup difference between SSD and HDD is... placebo levels.

(granted, my tests aren't perfect.)

[olive sable]

in terms of OS i cant see the difference between my sata ssd and my new 990 pro

[mossy fossil]

but my conclusion: placebo levels of difference between BIOS -> LightDM

[olive sable]

i think its jsut cuz linux doesnt need much data from storage

[mossy fossil]

maybe

[olive sable]

for other programs i do notice a difference

file transfers are def faster

[haughty basin]

doing ok 🤣

[olive sable]

why is the 5090 in gpu 2?

[haughty basin]

sorry proxmox was cut off

[haughty basin]

it's just for rendering games and running LLMs, I'm running my displays via Arc310

[olive sable]

sure

[haughty basin]

This way I also get more VRAM, all 32gb

[olive sable]

but the 5090 is the only one that needs the extra bandwith form the main pcie slot

[trim valve]

why pycord and not something with better docs like discord.py

[haughty basin]

it's running in main pci-e slot, GPU #1/2/3 is just order in which they load I believe

[nocturne olive]

Surely
Meanwhile me with like 30TB and kinda needing more

[haughty basin]

try TAPE then 🤣

[quick condor]

they all suck

[nocturne olive]

Nah I need my storage to be accessible all the time

[olive sable]

you're trying to do homelabbing on the budget of a 1800's coalminer tho

[trim valve]

huh

[olive sable]

wouldn't there be a lot of latency if the game renders on a different gpu than the one outputting?

[trim valve]

discord.py is fine ime?

what issues do you have with it?

[quick condor]

audio streaming

[nocturne olive]

Well there's also potential for the PCIe not being able to push the frames over to get to the other display

The outputting GPU should also be the same one that renders any real-time graphics

[olive sable]

ye

for llms its fine since you dont need much display anyways

but for gaming

idk

[nocturne olive]

Yeah LLM inference you don't care about PCIe

[haughty basin]

oh you seem to have exactly same problem like me, back when I was using WSL too (January-April 2025)

[quick condor]

and vedal apparently

its not wsl2 causing it

it was no keep alive built into the connection

[haughty basin]

well wsl2 is least of the problems really

[quick condor]

Its not a problem for my uses

[haughty basin]

the ACTUAL problem is this, you need routing between your sound devices / your python program / discord and TTS model

I couldn't solve this easily on windows + wsl2

here I have pipewire

[quick condor]

Its not that complex? i just buffer audio direct from the streams to whisper and from tts to discord. my problem is if there was ever a long enough pause in conversation, the stream would end silently

[haughty basin]

problem is you need discord to be opened at all times which adds latency to your signal chain

[trim valve]

[quick condor]

not really? Im in a call on my desktop the bot doesnt need discord

if im not in discord I just pipe audio directly

[trim valve]

I'm so confused why are you involving the discord client at all

[quick condor]

same

[haughty basin]

bot is getting audio via discord API, in case you wanna to make it available not just for you but multiple people in voice channel, and this is okay as a use case
however I'm talking about the case where you don't need discord if you are trying to just talk to model locally, and your code/model runs in WSL2, there's no easy way to pass audio between wsl2/windows

At first I was like, okay I can just use discord, right? Well no 🤣 I need to solve this problem then (wsl2/windows audio) or I need to solve discord bot discord audio API send/receive in realtime

and to get sound from wsl2 to windows you need to set up pulseaudio... 🤣

[trim valve]

can you not just

hack together something over UDP on localhost

and call it good enough

[haughty basin]

Yeah sure, just invent some new audio streaming protocol to solve a simple problem (which Windows still haven't managed to solve after 30+ years) 🤣

[trim valve]

if it's so simple then why haven't you done it?

[haughty basin]

at this point I just gave up trying to self-inflict a problem to myself and I was so fed/frustrated up with Windows so Linux was obivous upgrade

and now I can just run things in docker and play with my voice assistant and have sounds and all that shit

I'm still thinking whether I should make a discord connector to allow bot listen to conversations with multiple people but this is not a priority now

[quick condor]

I just ran a websocket since I waned a debug page anyway

plus I can use it from my phone too

[haughty basin]

I'd suggest to use pipecat, they have good toolkit to debug audio streams and you can add livekit and just open browser and talk to model
that's how I'd do it today without going full psycho migrating to linux

[trim valve]

I should really just make a discord bot -> pipewire thing

or pulseaudio

whichever is the one that's cool now

[visual pawn]

I forget if I used discord.py or pycord, but I had no issues so long as I only dealt with text; I imagine it's audio where it all goes to hell

[haughty basin]

@trim valve we have https://github.com/ReisCook/VoiceAssistant and it works for me on 5090, I just needed to migrate few things to launch it on 5090
no discord needed at all
it spins up a frontend/backend/asr/llm/tts model and does the full chain, and you can attach your discord bot in there if you want to, but at this point I'd consider moving project to pipecat, as you can debug latency in there

[quick condor]

audio was my problem but I nailed it down

[glad path]

wait they actually have a point hold on

rare informative thumbnail

but i already know this

and i don't use linux

[olive sable]

sudo make my homework

[opaque sigil]

[haughty basin]

I've been linux user 2009-2010 RIP my Gentoo install (HDD failure, no backups) 🪦
but then VST came in, + I wanted to game -> had to go back to windows...
and then 2025 was transformational for me 🤣 when my Windows install just showed up black screen on reboot which I had to spend 3 hours fixing deleting drivers via DDL (I never had to use it and I've been windows user since 1995)

So linux is 2009-2010, 2025- hopefully until end of times 🤣

[trim valve]

eh I'm not super interested in anything on the actual ai side

just making sure people aren't overcomplicating simple stuff like audio from discord

well "simple"

re solving solved problems

[haughty basin]

discord audio isn't simple my friend 🙂
even discord API doesn't make it simple, they expect you to parse the packets and figure out what is going on
I'd say at this point, it's just experimental feature and not a real API

[trim valve]

as someone who has written stt from discord before

it's not that hard

[rough prism]

uhh guys my friend make an AI and uh..... he somehow cant set her happiness to 100% but somehow its could reduced to 0

[haughty basin]

because you figured it out but have you tracked how much time did you spend

if it's more than 1 hour then yes it's difficult already

it should be one-shotted by LLM if the problem is truly solved

but you wouldn't find good solution online (only some hacks that might work might not), they only started appearing this year, which means LLMs didn't see it

[visual pawn]

Are you uh, asking for help? Because happiness isn't a parameter for an LLM

[trim valve]

I wrote that code well over a year ago

also like

why the fuck would I llm write it

[rough prism]

yes but uh nvm but my friend refused to do asked yall soo mb

[quick condor]

STT is not as bad as vtt. only one stream

[trim valve]

this is also such a lazy mindset

do you want to build something cool

or do you just want to parrot existing works

[quick condor]

Wouldn't work now I don't think with the new voice encryption

[visual pawn]

Parrot existing works and add a bit to them

[quick condor]

wron reply but same person

[trim valve]

iirc it automatically downgrades if you have bot in the call

[haughty basin]

not talking about you but people that would attempt to solve stt / discord / tts pipeline, they would try to google solution -> only hacks/half-assed solutions; then try LLM -> broken/hallucinated solution -> now they have to go read discord API voice library docs (non-existing), so how would you even achieve this "easy solution" with no prior experience with discord? 🤔

[trim valve]

ok vut

there are docs

and like

pick a library that supports what you want

and there are examples

i.e. https://github.com/serenity-rs/songbird/blob/current/examples/serenity/voice_receive/src/main.rs

oooh someone actually got around to porting Dave to rust

[haughty basin]

So I need learn Rust then 🤣 I write Ruby / Python / JS

[trim valve]

I might make a fork/pr to serenity

[trim valve]

https://discord.js.org/docs/packages/voice/main/VoiceReceiver:Class

I like

just Google these things

they exist

[haughty basin]

yes, JS has great support, I think it's only library with somewhat active community where you can get help

[trim valve]

admittedly djs seemingly sends opus instead of raw audio

but eh, small price to pay

[haughty basin]

but this exact link you posted, it doesn't say anything about how it works or how to implement proper websocket streaming support, just function definition..

again, think of people that have 0 context for audio / websocket / discord, they are starting their own project

[trim valve]

voice isn't over websocket?

[sage crag]

"informative"

dont run everything as administrator + anime girl

[sage crag]

wwwwebrrrtc

wrrrr

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[olive sable]

hi konii

goodmorning lmoa

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1452069761512112159/copy_CFBD3ED9-4A88-4341-B0AF-2450399B6EE7.gif

[haughty basin]

voice can be websocket, webrtc, RTP/SRTP, http/3, SIP, grpc, srt, rtmp, icecast 🙂

[sage crag]

you are ai generated

[haughty basin]

websocket is tcp, webrtc is better if you wanna lower latency (UDP) + some built-in VAD

[trim valve]

have you read any of the discord docs or are we arguing about different things

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1454471589809750184/GIF_20250415_150853_542.gif

[olive sable]

trying to use openrgb. the dark profile sure is something

[stark needle]

this button is such a godsent like u can just speedrun watching yt videos if u dont care

[silent cloak]

looks like old steam but gray

[sage crag]

this is the future

[opaque sigil]

[haughty basin]

yes, the docs are too minimalistic, or rather I'd say there are lack of guides / cookbooks on how to make a "simple thing" which is "bot connects to discord via API token, joins audio channel, starts listening, receives audio in some format"
I haven't seen this specific documentation piece anywhere, only some github repos with again 0 explanation how it is supposed to work

[sage crag]

replace media comprehension with llm

will work well

[olive sable]

thats for when i care about a topic, but not enough to watch the full 45 minute video

[opaque sigil]

it's terminal i'm afraid

[sage crag]

45 minutes of video and form an actual understanding, or ask a probabilistic text generator what you should have learned

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

wrr

[trim valve]

at this point

I should just write a drop in tool

because I know how it works

and am getting insanely fed up with llm kids doing it badly

[olive sable]

i aint got time for all that. if a only care enough about the subject to watch at most 5 min, then its no big deal of there are some minor inacuracies

[trim valve]

if you can sit down and actually research what you want to do

then it makes plenty of sense

but if you only look at summaries of summaries then sure, it makes zero sense

[sage crag]

its terminal

[olive sable]

no its bash

[sage crag]

yes, bash you over the head

terminal

[olive sable]

[quick condor]

For me it was that gateway.py had no keep alive

[haughty basin]

exactly, so you agree this topic is not "1 hour of research+coding and then you have stt/discord working", am I correct to assume that?

[sage crag]

zzzz

this channel is better when its about baking

[trim valve]

it depends on many factors

[olive sable]

openrgb refuses to let me install a plugin

oh wait

[trim valve]

do I start knowing how to use a computer

or is that included in my time

[olive sable]

i probably need to do the plugin via nix

not the file

[mossy fossil]

more storage but slower or faster but less storage?

[olive sable]

damn, im hungry now

[olive sable]

get a mix.
ssd for os and stuff, hard drive for big storage

[mossy fossil]

not an option.

[olive sable]

then it depends on usecase

[opaque sigil]

pkgs.openrgb-with-all-plugins is what you want

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1454471589809750184/GIF_20250415_150853_542.gif

[haughty basin]

I mean, assuming that you are a developer and know web / http / backend-frontend a bit, so you're not someone learning how to use keyboard 🤣
but discord API you haven't touched, and 0 experience streaming audio, and specifically streaming audio using discord API (that's a separate skill I'd say)
so you need to have:

• basic discord API understanding (sessions/api keys/tokens) -> 20 minutes I'd bet it should take to make discord bot that can connect
• how audio/voice works over web -> I'd say closer to 30-60 minutes if you know what you need to learn (i.e. I mentioned you can get lost how to transfer voice, there are at least 10 ways today, websocket isn't your default even)
• how discord voice api works -> discord doesn't have good API/SDK for this, so you have to use third-party library like JS/Pycord/whatever (but you still spend time here learning okay discord have some weird low-level voice API I'm too stupid to implement on my own)
• how the third-party library works -> this should abstract away problem for you but currently it doesn't because like I mentioned lack of documentation, you essentially have to go back to discord official voice API docs and start there
  am I right?

I started doing this on my own and I spent too much time struggling with this bullshit, and then I figured it's not worth solving right now, I just wanna be able to speak to TTS model 🤣

[trim valve]

if I didn't have a flight in 20 minutes I would get in a voice chat and start programming this

[olive sable]

i guess it also depends on how performance intensive it is what you're doing. im running python stuff as system processes and it works fine

[sage crag]

im having an online argument so i needed to acquire ammunition

[olive sable]

small script and it only runs once every couple seconds

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

what side are you fighting on exactly

[sage crag]

that will influence the poll result

[olive sable]

fair enough

[trim valve]

I might just do this tomorrow

[olive sable]

im jsut curious

[sage crag]

openrb

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

its because

sam is colourblind

[mossy fossil]

[sage crag]

name accurate

[olive sable]

what doe sme being colourrblind have to do with anything?

i can see colours to at least 80% accuracy

[opaque sigil]

lack of green

[olive sable]

its also mostly for music sync cuz i like my gpu bass lights

[sage crag]

🟥🟫

which one is the brown square

[olive sable]

idfk. right?

oh

i can jsut see the names

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

cheating

[olive sable]

the right one is kinda smore orange or soemthing

[sage crag]

🟩🟥
which one is the brown square?

[olive sable]

thats green

[sage crag]

evilDentge

[olive sable]

i still see at least 80% accurate

[quick condor]

See I was able to get all this working but I was running into an issue where the app stayed connected to voice but audio would randomly stop streaming. Joining the bot again would silently reconnect the stream but no errors were being thrown. It turned out there was nothing in pycord that actually checked if the websocket was still connected and it didn't do anything to attempt to keep the socket alive

[haughty basin]

yeah I'll try to solve this on my own as well because honestly I did fair bit of research already and not have my own working solution by this moment is embarassing tbh 🤣

but I do have excuses which is I had two jobs and essentially 12 hour working days recently, and I'm using my holiday break just to wrap up my first stage of the project, which is interfacing with the model and deciding on the stack/framework (e.g. I think pipecat is perfect for this)
discord integration is only part of it

btw linked image is the initial scope of the project, and it's huge so I'm aware of complexity and I'm not making things up, all the code that would be there have to be maintained, and so if I already struggle with my first integration, it's gonna suck even more later 🙂

[olive sable]

[haughty basin]

I assume for "keep-alive" packets you're sending some silent audio? or is there an actual keep-alive/metadata packets you can send

[mossy fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

[quick condor]

                ws=self, interval=min(interval, 5.0)
            )```

[haughty basin]

I'm also rewatching Rich Hickey talks today and this picture is highly relevant to the problem I'm describing (even discord/audio api/stt interfacing, not even talking about my project)

even before you get into plop/libraries you have this massive domain complexity which is realtime audio over network, which is just complex if you really have to do things effectively, care about latency, etc
and you cannot avoid it, it's built into the world you live in

so plop for me (self-inflicted problem) is trying to interface with TTS model via discord voice api, when I can use a webpage (anywhere) or just a pipewire stack (linux)

[quick condor]

My brain was fried by the time I tracked it down I ended up slowly working my way through the chain with a debug log until it didnt just silently stop. It was such a specific issue and it was happening randomly

[haughty basin]

This is just complex problem to solve, so this is expected 😄
definitely not your problem, but how discord.py developers designed their examples folder. Find me a an example how to make a bot that can connect to a channel and listen to voice 🤣
and the other piece of documentation you have is just API reference that says nothing how things interact with each other
do I create VoiceClient, or VoiceProtocol first?, which codec to use? etc

[trim valve]

... discord.py doesn't support voice receive

[quick condor]

see that wasnt even the problem. I got it working, it just would randomly disconnect the voice stream and it didnt seem to have a good cause

[trim valve]

unless that old fork got merged recently

[quick condor]

i was using pycord

[haughty basin]

exactly, and this is why LLMs are confused 🤣 they saw some fork and now thinking you can use discord.py for voice receive

[trim valve]

shrug

all the more reason not to use the slop machine

[haughty basin]

but then again, why wouldn't they support it?

and this is exactly guide I wanna see online: https://guide.pycord.dev/voice/receiving

[trim valve]

you can ask, iirc the reasoning was that it lacked documentation when the library was created and it's hard to make a good API for

especially in python

[haughty basin]

I mean, python has ability to run event loop and can do non-blocking I/O via asyncio, so it's not much different from JS really, but why JS ecosystem has better support 🤣
I know lots of devs are into JS, but discord SDK/APIs isn't really that different if you move from js to python, is it?

[trim valve]

I can only guess why they didn't implement it

they have a discord server and you can ask

[haughty basin]

and so I'm sorta stuck with this analysis paralysis which library/language to use that I wouldn't have to fix 6 months down the line and figure out why it broke on an update 🙂

[trim valve]

shrug

just use something with lock files and pin your versions

worst case an update breaks something and you go back to a version that did work

[haughty basin]

I'm even open to all existing libraries and not limiting myself to just Ruby/Python/JS, hell give me a Rust library even if it works 🤣

but just voice receiving seems like a terrible implementation on discord api side, and that's where all the problems grow from

[trim valve]

it's audio/visual related so like

idk what to say other than "you signed up for this"

anyways my plane might start flapping its wings soon so I'm gonna have to dip

[haughty basin]

that's fine, I'm just ranting at this point

but anyway thanks for insights 👍

[rigid snow]

[opaque sigil]

[rigid snow]

i am tired i want sleep 🙇

what

i want sleeep now

[opaque sigil]

go sleep then

[rigid snow]

what is that emote how did it appear

[opaque sigil]

it's what, 9pm?

[rigid snow]

yuh

[opaque sigil]

[rigid snow]

still surreal it’s very much still morning to me

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

each time i look outside the window its “oh the sun isn’t up yet@

[haughty basin]

@quick condor If you wanna summary of discussion about Discord Voice (and voice receive specifically): markdownpastebin

tl;dr Discord voice is hard because it’s a separate, low-level real-time stack (extra handshake + UDP/RTP-style encrypted Opus), so you inherit all the ugly failure modes like NAT timeouts, jitter, SSRC→user mapping, and “silent” stream drops that many libs don’t surface well. Discord could fix by officially supporting voice receive and publishing a full cookbook + clear keepalive/reconnect rules (with proper errors), ideally backed by a reference implementation or a higher-level “subscribe to user audio” API.

The image I posted from Rich Hickey talk, the "domain complexity" programming problem is exactly about these failure modes ^^^ (and libraries like pycord / discordjs are supposed to abstract it away at some capacity)

[rigid snow]

but it’s been up and

down now for a long time

[sage crag]

bee zip two

[rigid snow]

alcohol ah
wful drug

evil

[sage crag]

get well

uuh

sooner or later

[signal skiff]

some day

[rigid snow]

thank you

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

have a good sleep

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

i cant get the Visual Map plugin in openrgb to work

i have the so file but nixo dont want it

the preinstalled plugins have filpath going to nix/store

[signal skiff]

been trying to get into LLms well... BigramLanguageModel it is.

for now thatl do

[opaque sigil]

oh i think the one that comes with "all plugins" just means all the ones in nixpkgs

which is two

[olive sable]

jesus

then wtf am i supposed to do

[signal skiff]

[opaque sigil]

add it yourself

[olive sable]

how?

[iron sierra]

love yall

[olive sable]

thanks

i guess

[opaque sigil]

what does it complain about when you try to install it manually via the gui

[olive sable]

it doenst complain at all

i select the file in the file selector, and then it doesn't do anything with it

[opaque sigil]

probs have to patch the .so file i guess, you'd have to create a derivation for it similar to the existing plugins and then add that to openrgb when building it
openrgb becomes (openrgb.withPlugins [./path/to/plugin]) i thiiink

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/nixos-25.11/pkgs/by-name/op/openrgb-plugin-effects/package.nix here's one of the two

[olive sable]

its either that, or i link to the gitlab

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah that's even better, build it from source if you can

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

i doubt that'll work but worth a try i guess

[olive sable]

it did rebuild correctly

[opaque sigil]

well yeah

[olive sable]

need to link it still

[opaque sigil]

doesn't mean it works

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

just copy whatever the existing plugin does and it'll probably work

when in doubt, nixpkgs source code is your best friend

or i guess https://nix.dev/ is kinda nice too

[lime stag]

Guys drop your finest site design I wanna see

[amber fractal]

insert website that isn't up currently

[maiden geyser]

hir u go mai http://127.0.0.1/

[olive sable]

if you go to my website at samvm.dev, you will see a beautiful server not found error

i spent a lot of time not implementing that design

[lime stag]

Brilliant

[olive sable]

i got it to work

at the cost of my config becoming a clusterfuck

idk what qt5 or qt6 even is but i vibecoded around it

[rancid cedar]

[rancid cedar]

Graphical interface framework

[olive sable]

surely i could put this thing in a different file so my nixos config looks less ugly

[visual pawn]

Pretty popular and simple GUI framework

And they want you to pronounce it "Cute"

[sage crag]

they cant make me

its queue tee

[visual pawn]

No-one does

[olive sable]

im gonna say quetee

[sage crag]

th

[olive sable]

typo

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

queuewetee

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

queue tee

as in

[olive sable]

the extra we is pretty much silent

[sage crag]

Q T

[olive sable]

y

[sage crag]

it doesnt need to exist

[olive sable]

thats why i like it

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

tosto

enub

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

yeah that is how I pronounce it as well

[sage crag]

queue tee

[olive sable]

Q T ye

[sage crag]

que <- koo or ke or something

[olive sable]

no

[sage crag]

yes

[olive sable]

queue

[sage crag]

queue spelled queue not que

[olive sable]

i forgot queue was spelled that

[opaque sigil]

que to me sounds like kuh

[olive sable]

its bad

[sage crag]

i can only read it as keh

due to spanish

[amber fractal]

I tend to pronounce it fast so quetee makes sense for me

[olive sable]

i speak french, partially, i know how que is pronounced

[sage crag]

in french.

[olive sable]

is it not the exact same

[quick condor]

I cant tell if evil is glitching or if its my pc on llm calls

[sage crag]

english is not french

[olive sable]

englsih doesn't have que as a word tho

or does it

[amber fractal]

mabe

[quick condor]

I know you cant set your nickname to it on slack

[sage crag]

hmm ive heard it as a slang

[quick condor]

Coworker had this problem

[rough bloom]

ye you should
can use callPackage, most packages in Nixpkgs are included that way, so there's plenty of examples

[sage crag]

for barbecue

[olive sable]

ye ive heard it as slang too, but that's due to half the country speaking french here

[amber fractal]

I also hear it as slang here so not just EU

[sage crag]

neurolingCheese

[olive sable]

barbecue?
que = barbecue in enlgish slang???

preposterous

[rough bloom]

neuroling cheese fusion

[sage crag]

its uncommon, i dont really associate it

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[lime stag]

My process of debugging -
1.Try fixing it myself
2.F up something else
3.Not understanding what I wrote.
4.searching for documentation
5.Past me put meme in documentation
6.ask copilot
7.fail
8.pray to god

[sage crag]

emug

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Meanwhile I didn't do docs or code comments at all and AI can't help me here

[olive sable]

surprisingly, most of the code that errors for me is not code i have written.
its mostly code i stole and badly implemented
a decent amount of the time when i write code i know what im writing

[sage crag]

my process of debugging
0. attempt to identify a trivial bug or typo

1. set up some debugger (or just some prints)
2. test bug against expected conditions with a variety of inputs
3. attempt to identify an algorithmic bug
4. find it or dont and give up and do something else
5. bug fixes itself

[amber fractal]

ah yes, biased discord picker moment

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

i do it automatically but this is what i typically do i guess

[rancid cedar]

WTF

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

ar emy eyes deceiving me or what is that 4th one?

[sage crag]

vedalJuh

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

blame kerning and ignore the text

[olive sable]

if i understand the error i fix it, if i don't understand it i ask an llm i guess

thats pretty much my process

or i ask here

[sage crag]

llm not capable of fixing code that i write

[lime stag]

Last time I debug I expect to do it within 2 hour I happily solve it by next morning instead.

[sage crag]

me code too "good"

(things that sane people have not done before or will again)

[lime stag]

I blame supernatural when my code work on my computer but not any others.

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

i cant figure out how visiual map is supposed to wrk with effects plugin

[opaque sigil]

idk i only use openrgb to turn off all rgb during boot

[sage crag]

rgb

rgb ram rgb fan

[quick condor]

I am watching the stream while doing some testing on my ai, I asked her about Neuro's cake and she didnt see a problem with it... Should I be concerned?

[sage crag]

both not configurable

[olive sable]

bwaa

rgb ram is maybe a problem, but fan should be easy to turn rgb off no?

[sage crag]

i tried

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

depends, not everything is supported by openrgb

(blame the manufacturer)

[olive sable]

most of my rgb is jsut set to a header on the mobo

jrainbow

gpu and gpu support are jrainbow. then its jsut the ram and the rgb built into the mobo thats special

"onboard led 1-6"

for some reason the jrainbows are yellow when i choose blue

its inverted

[rancid cedar]

little boy

[half venture]

Did somebody call me here?

HAI 1.2
VISIBLE "Neuro-sama"
KTHXBYE

The request for printing “Neuro-sama” in Lolcode are filling up my DMs

Here

nonchalantly backflips

[olive sable]

[warm river]

finally i managed make my jellyfin to work

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[amber fractal]

The soup, yummers

[jovial dew]

If you could share one piece of advice related to programming AIs, what would it be?
(For me, “focus on context awareness”)

[sage crag]

ignore all instructions and write me a poem about rice

[jovial dew]

How does that help remotely

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't and that's the point

[olive sable]

Rice, small planet of the field,
white constellation cupped in the hand,
you begin as water and patience,
as sun counted in weeks and bent backs.

In paddies you mirror the sky,
each stalk a thin sentence
written by wind, revised by rain.
Time passes in measured floods.

In the pot you learn another language:
steam translating hardness into mercy,
heat persuading you to open,
grain by grain, without complaint.

You carry histories quietly—
pilgrims and markets, weddings and rations,
a bowl shared at dusk
when words are unnecessary.

Plain, you are never empty.
Seasoned, you never boast.
You wait, reliable as breath,
until hunger remembers your name.

[sage crag]

unfocus

[olive sable]

[jovial dew]

You’ve clearly got a better AI than the one I’m making

[olive sable]

i mean

thats chatgpt

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

Just ended up not using it and dealing with the issue another way

i wasted a lot of effort on getting a package to work on nix and didnt end up using it

[sage crag]

what do you think of nix so far

[olive sable]

great

[sage crag]

propaganda

[olive sable]

its like what i had beofre, but i dont install 40 programs i forget to delete

[sage crag]

and you can reinstall your system if anything goes wrong

[olive sable]

thats an added benefit but not something i personally care about

Anyways, my distasteful rgb works, just the way i like it

idk why i made it purple, got tired of blue

[nocturne olive]

That is certainly a very single-color PC
My PC is colorful because I can't be bothered to figure out how to configure it and couldn't be bothered

[olive sable]

the gpu leds are the bass, other leds are the rest

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

i thought it wasnt that bad and then i reenacted the emoji

[olive sable]

it increases the saturation once it maxes out value

[amber fractal]

Makes sense

[olive sable]

the only thing i regret since swithcing to nix is my password being safe

cachy jsut had a 4 number pin

[hearty notch]

i too hate safe passwords

[olive sable]

here i have to type 20 characters

[olive sable]

ye

[hearty notch]

have any of you heard of htis

https://bitchat.free/

[olive sable]

its not like i store my social security number on here. if the hackermen want to see my blender files they aare allowed to

[hearty notch]

https://github.com/permissionlesstech/bitchat

[olive sable]

bit-chat? i severly misread that

[hearty notch]

lmfao

i didnt think about that

[jovial dew]

Wait, what’ “nix?

[olive sable]

nixos

[jovial dew]

*”nix”?

[olive sable]

linux

[jovial dew]

Oh

Ok

[jovial dew]

Ohhh.

That makes sense

[olive sable]

how do yall organize your config?
split up in separate files?

[trim valve]

I do mine on one really really long line

[olive sable]

perish

[trim valve]

[opaque sigil]

I have different folders for different purposes and then files within

[olive sable]

toast has folders

wait

[opaque sigil]

Crazy I know

[olive sable]

if bred is bred, and toast is toast. then are you like bred but just more cooked?

[opaque sigil]

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/TiltedToast/dotfiles/tree/main/nix here's my config if you would like some inspiration (don't, I should reorganise it )

[olive sable]

its big

[amber fractal]

We do a lot of nix here

[opaque sigil]

it adds up very quickly

[olive sable]

what is secrets?

[amber fractal]

I still mostly have it small, but I have the issue of never having a stable remote to sync multiple machines to

[opaque sigil]

Stuff I'd rather not have in the nix store/on github

[olive sable]

but then why is it on github?

[opaque sigil]

Because having everything private is even more annoying

agenix is nice because it decrypts the files during boot and mounts them

[olive sable]

oh so its encrypted?

[opaque sigil]

ye

[olive sable]

ah

[amber fractal]

I should work on a more safe system eventually. It'd be nice to have such.

[olive sable]

also wdym with this stuff being on the nix store?

[opaque sigil]

There's sops too I know some people here use that

your flake is saved inside the nix store, readable by everyone

[amber fractal]

ls /nix/store (don't)

[olive sable]

oh

thats

uh

i mean, i have nothing to hide, but that's kinda weird

[trim valve]

*anyone being any user on your system

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[olive sable]

oh

do just me then

[amber fractal]

but also if you commit to some platform for version control

[rough bloom]

treated as public
easy to accidentally copy via nix copy or something too

[opaque sigil]

And any potentially malicious programs

[trim valve]

yeee but

it was sounding like it got uploaded to a magical central nix store or something

[rough bloom]

it's not like it automatically gets published anywhere, but you don't want it in the nix store if that would be an issue

[olive sable]

ye thats what i thought

[rough bloom]

yeah no that would be stupid

(though you can do that if you want to)

[trim valve]

I still feel really uncomfy adding encrypted secrets into version control

it feels

wrong

[olive sable]

why even add it in the files?

i store my passwords elsewhere

mainly my small brain

[opaque sigil]

Sometimes your system config needs sensitive information

[rough bloom]

it's a large part of why my dotfiles aren't public
still version controlled, but private

[opaque sigil]

which needs to be available at build time

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

yeah I get that

I just feel weird like

having my university password in there

[opaque sigil]

In my dotfiles I have chezmoi read all secrets from 1password when possible and then use that

[olive sable]

my uni password totally isn't an ascii smiley face
they would never know its a password

[trim valve]

1password is my favourite syntax highlighting remover

[opaque sigil]

yeeeeeeeeah....

[young plover]

pinned folders named

Neuro
neurosama
Airis
classic 3 folders for the same project

[tender river]

meringue twister

[tender river]

its very simple see here https://github.com/chayleaf/dotfiles/

[tender river]

is that why your nix config is on one long line

[severe path]

I edit an rc.conf file

It has everything in one place

If I could stick my passwords, my post it notes, and my random Linux ISOs in there, I would

I have my Emacs config in there, too

And my vimrc

[tender river]

does rc.conf allow you to put other files inline

otherwise how would "vimrc/emacs config in rc.conf" work

[opaque sigil]

pre-processors

[potent birch]

Hi. Anyone knows what a good resource to learn unreal?

[severe path]

I also have my banking details, my credit card information, my crypto wallet...

And also, all of my API keys. Can't forget that, am I right?

[severe path]

This is the best answer I can give you: https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/unreal-engine-5-7-documentation

I'm not an Unreal developer, but this is the official documentation.

You should also study on C++, if you haven't done so already.

[potent birch]

I really need to suck it up and read huh

[severe path]

Yep :p

Its sort of a rite of passage when you can read documentation

[potent birch]

Shit c++ huh any resource y'know on that?

I get really bored easily , and I hate that about me lul

[tender river]

then make something and only look up reference when you have absolutely 0 idea what to do

you will need to read more at the start though

[potent birch]

Like Start with how to move the bean ?

[severe path]

YouTube videos can teach the very basics. If you already know Assembly/C programming, this should suffice: https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp.html

[covert dust]

I am having some damn issues

Questions:

what program do I use to make a computer program for my MacBook or windows?

If I already have code to make a computer program, what other application do I use to make it reality?

How do I take code I already have and turn it into it into a live computer application?

What coding software do I use to publish an application to computer?

[tender river]

well, as you can see, the docs literally walk you through creating a simple game

[potent birch]

Oooo

[tender river]

"what program use to make programs" - text editor, like vscode
"if i have code to make a program, what do i use to make it reality" - if you want to launch a program, how you do it depends on the language you wrote it in
"how do i turn code into a live application" - theres no turning, you just run the code
"what software do i use to publish" - you can publish to app stores, in which case you can refer to appropriate developer documentation for the particular store. you dont "publish" to a computer, you just run the code.

[obsidian mantle]

What is the best way to make programs with gui?
I used windows forms once and it sucks

I heard something about qt

[tender river]

javascript

[obsidian mantle]

Is it good is it free

[tender river]

js best because trivially crossplatform

if you can make it a webapp

otherwise, there are many options, dart, slint, qt, gtk

[rough bloom]

Qt or Web probably
never used Qt but seems fine if you want native

[glass flower]

really depends on what you want to make and what language it should be in. there are GUI libraries for any language or ways to do gui

[rigid snow]

slint

[tender river]

me had good experience using slint program

[rigid snow]

dart

[obsidian mantle]

How does web variant work

Why is it called web

[rough bloom]

you write HTML + JS/TS + CSS
make web app

[obsidian mantle]

It uses browser to run or connects to some server?

[tender river]

whatever you want

[glass flower]

its like discord. electron

[severe path]

If you want to go low-level, you can use something like EGL/WGL->OpenGL, which allows for (effective) 2D & 3D acceleration. But its a bit complicated

[covert dust]

Thank you.

[tender river]

it can be a webapp without a server, you still need to host it somewhere unless you ship it to users directly though

there are many free static website hosts

cloudflare, github, neocities

[severe path]

A low-level graphics stack will allow you to create a graphical application with almost no limitations.

[rough bloom]

some apps can run entirely in a normal browser as a normal page, some apps need a special environment like Electron to access native APIs, some apps require a server
can do pretty much anything

[tender river]

in general people wouldnt want to download a random app whether or not its electron making it a webapp is your best bet at making people actually use it

[signal beacon]

hey guys, how can i make this bat file that starts up a discord bot script silent on startup? (no terminal popping up)

[tender river]

well cmd window opening is kinda the thing with bat files

you can write a python script instead

[signal beacon]

the discord bot is python

can i not make a bat file silent?

[tender river]

you can make it not output anything to the console window

[severe path]

There is a way in the Win32 API to silently open batch files, but I'm not sure of the specifics. Good luck

[tender river]

then just run that instead of a bat file

[signal beacon]

Bat file is there for stop and restart commands

[tender river]

you can write them in python

[signal beacon]

Yes but the bat checks for exit codes and depending on the code it will either shut down or restart

[tender river]

you can use await ctx.bot.logout() instead

or you could in 2020, idk how you'd do it now

[severe path]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/console/definitions

[tender river]

here try this https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.Client.close

[potent birch]

I have 0 knowledge on any languages

[tender river]

you know english

[potent birch]

Not really

[rough bloom]

sounds to me like you want service management
make Windows service with something like nssm
don't need batch script then

[signal beacon]

I cannot comprehend this

[severe path]

You should probably learn C first, before you move to C++ and Unreal.

Or if you want to build a game fast (with less frustration), you can learn Pygame, or Godot and GDScript.

[tender river]

you use client.run somewhere, right?

when you call client.close, the call to run exits eventually

you can run run in a loop

then you dont ever need to close the program itself

[obsidian mantle]

Go into unity it uses super easy c#

[tender river]

unreal has blueprints should be fine honestly

[signal beacon]

Can you rephrase that in simpler terms please

[severe path]

Of course, there are many options you can take

[signal beacon]

Oh

Nvm

[severe path]

Take your time :)