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#programming
amber fractal
sage crag
immn a collebcitble
mass produce
find jn srcarde
wah
mr slepy
memeeee sleepy
olive sable
i think konii 2026 prerelease has a output token bug
tender river
memeeee sleepy
rigid snow
i like moth
sage crag
mmmoyh
rigid snow
NOT go away
true hemlock
i think konii 2026 prerelease has a output token bug
@umbral thorn patch pls
amber fractal
i think konii 2026 prerelease has a output token bug
nah it is been here for awhile, this release makes sure of it
sage crag
olive sable
<@853951124967915541> patch pls
oh elvy.
you pinged me too and i was thinking tf im gonna do?
sage crag
popipopkoipo
sage crag
nOT note
olive sable
mot
rigid snow
i like both
sage crag
mottuh
rigid snow
equally
tender river
eat wool 
sage crag
lamp
rigid snow
eat wool <:evilBwaa:1263974044022079578>
i wish i could
sage crag
im just l8ke moth
rigid snow
envy
tender river
im just l8ke moth
do you also eat wool 
olive sable
moth, "night butterfly" or "mot"
mot is also slang for punching
tender river
olive sable
olive sable
that meme has been in my phone for 4 years. dont think i can find it
sage crag
sun
sage crag
<@853951124967915541> patch pls
i unfixabl
olive sable
bwaa
sage crag
ndiro yare yare
olive sable
i guess we'll need to put it down then
sage crag
ohhisee
sage crag
ohhidintnsee
olive sable
sage crag
ttttttrrrobbbioo
olive sable
oh no, wasnt fatal
rigid snow
i'm tapping out
olive sable
now konii even worse injury
sage crag
byebye
olive sable
i'm tapping out
ok i may have overdone it a bit
konii powered by choco
rigid snow
#programming
Your message got 10 reactions
olive sable
sage crag
by
rigid snow
i have mnore vodka
olive sable
what would you even call this?
improv 
olive sable
rigid snow
what is esoteric
olive sable
intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people?
gatekeeping?
rigid snow
no not really it's like
imagine you invent a language to speak with your friends
that would be esoteric
an esoteric language
olive sable
how would that be filtered tho?
olive sable
what?
rigid snow
NOT abbreviate esoteric role play
olive sable
why?
oh
hey
we were keeping it pg
except for the murder
is murder pg?
pg13 i guess
murder is like the most important part of programming
how else im gonna get that ram?
rigid snow
bank robbery
olive sable
the way i do bank robberies you do need some
for legal reasons i havent robbed any banks yet
yet
signal beacon
Hey, how does neuro "see" the game in real time? Does it take screenshots and process them at an insanely fast rate or is it something else?
glass flower
thats the way i assume it works. as vedal sometimes needs to wait for neuro to "take a look". tho its possible its just integrated into the main model instead of being a seperate model
signal beacon
thats the way i assume it works. as vedal sometimes needs to wait for neuro to "...
I would assume that too if it was on a game where you can wait a long time before doing anything
jagged turtle
what game are we talking about
signal beacon
But for a game like osu, that wouldn't really work
signal beacon
what game are we talking about
Osu
glass flower
well osu is its own ai. 
not at all related to neuro really
signal beacon
well osu is its own ai. <:LULE:1094340213997838477> not at all related to neuro ...
Wdym?
Is it not neuro that plays it?
glass flower
the osu bot using "older" machine learning tech. its seperate from the neuro you know and see on stream or hear talk
signal beacon
Oh
jagged turtle
👆
neuro only gets sent stuff happening in game that's significant (combo break, miss, fail, pass, song name, etc)
glass flower
they do exchange some information back and forth. like neuro telling the bot to select a map and the bot sending back info about its current status or if something happened
signal beacon
Okay so let's say I want my ai to see my game and interact with it in real time
How should I start?
jagged turtle
insert programming FAQ here
glass flower
easiest way is to take a LLM that can do both vision and text generation. and then feed it a image every once in a while into its context
signal beacon
Alr
glass flower
a harder but more reliable method is to make a bot from scratch and train it on the specific game like the osu bot works
thats how most "AI"s you see in videos and such play games.
like the trackmania one or the ones that learn to walk
signal beacon
Okay I'll try that
jagged turtle
well for osu! specifically you can't really use an LLM to play it because it just can't react fast enough
glass flower
well for osu! specifically you can't really use an LLM to play it because it jus...
slow down the game for it to work
signal beacon
well for osu! specifically you can't really use an LLM to play it because it jus...
That's unfortunate
jagged turtle
<:neuro5head:1109895386916737054> slow down the game for it to work
AR -1000
glass flower
but yeah a LLM can't play realtime games
young plover
<:neuro5head:1109895386916737054> slow down the game for it to work
The LLM vision systems I've seen are still terrible at figuring out where things are on screen
glass flower
thats why the neuro integration recommends turn based games or giving neuro control over a higher level AI. like the driving in cyberpunk
signal beacon
How do I convince the llm that it isn't running on a Meta server but on my pc?
glass flower
and thats also the reason neuro sucks at the quick time events
young plover
The LLM vision systems I've seen are still terrible at figuring out where things...
It would basically just put " there are many circles on screen" in the context without any other reference point
amber fractal
How do I convince the llm that it isn't running on a Meta server but on my pc?
you pc is now meta's property
glass flower
How do I convince the llm that it isn't running on a Meta server but on my pc?
put it in its system prompt 
signal beacon
put it in its system prompt <a:nodd:1361849718577303632>
Is that in the model files itself or is it in a secret menu I haven't seen yet?
amber fractal
*insert programming FAQ here*
glass flower
Is that in the model files itself or is it in a secret menu I haven't seen yet?
it depends on how you load the model. there is normally a way to set the system prompt. or also how you talk to the model
most models come with a default one thats probably what you are seeing
but yeah... AI stuff is a deep deep rabbit hole you can go down. its gotten better now with the AI bubble but... its still a complicated mostly DIY topic
signal beacon
it depends on how you load the model. there is normally a way to set the system ...
"ollama run llama3.2:3b"
glass flower
"ollama run llama3.2:3b"
do /set system "here is the system prompt"
inside of the chat interface
signal beacon
do `/set system "here is the system prompt"`
Okay thanks
glass flower
but also i would not really recommend using the CLI for this kind of stuff
if you want a better UI to tweak stuff and maybe integrate tools with use something like LM Studio
thats what i switched to from ollama
signal beacon
but also i would not really recommend using the CLI for this kind of stuff <:LUL...
I mainly use the GUI app
But I downloaded the model through cli
signal beacon
if you want a better UI to tweak stuff and maybe integrate tools with use someth...
Apparently it's very slow compared to ollama
why would it
signal beacon
I don't know
glass flower
i haven't seen a difference. and if you truly are after speed you can use something like vllm. or just llama.cpp directly.
signal beacon
I don't know
I started with this ai shit less than 2 hours ago
signal beacon
i haven't seen a difference. and if you truly are after speed you can use someth...
Okay thanks
glass flower
well... you got a long way then
rigid snow
both use llama.cpp
ollama doesn't anymore i think
signal beacon
<:LULE:1094340213997838477> well... you got a long way then
Yes I do
This also might be the reason I'm letting go of my precious rtx 3050
rigid snow
i have mnore vodka
shit hit me like a truck just now wtf
glass flower
ollama doesn't anymore i think
oh right.. don't they like have their own version thats basically like 98% llama.cpp anyway or something? i remember a bit drama about that part. also that the gui is closed source etc.
signal beacon
Because the online ai unfortunately despises vpns
jagged turtle
what
signal beacon
What are your pc's specs?
glass flower
idk i remember something vaguely about that kind of stuff. but i also haven't used ollama in like a year at this point
fickle rain
Token usage: total=1,338,490 input=1,095,096 (+ 15,325,824 cached) output=243,394 (reasoning 207,552)
glass flower
i got a 4080, ryzen 9 5950x and 64gb of ram
fickle rain
Now THAT's some usage
signal beacon
i got a 4080, ryzen 9 5950x and 64gb of ram
Wow
glass flower
`Token usage: total=1,338,490 input=1,095,096 (+ 15,325,824 cached) output=243,3...
+15 million cached is concerning
signal beacon
I have an rtx 3050 (6 gb ver.), ryzen 5 5500 and 20 gb of ram
rigid snow
15 million 
fickle rain
+15 million cached is concerning <:LULE:1094340213997838477>
It's mostly MCP decompile output I think
olive sable
amber fractal
6gb for AI is yikes
signal beacon
I can sell it for the same price I can get an rtx 2080 ti with
glass flower
running any fairly good and competent model will be difficult 
you could probably run MOE models tho
signal beacon
running any fairly good and competent model will be difficult <:tink:11608857795...
Don't worry
The 20 gb ram is there to handle overflows
glass flower
i took that into account
olive sable
I can sell it for the same price I can get an rtx 2080 ti with
where in gods green earth are those the same price?
signal beacon
<:SMILE:1173553648534568960> i took that into account
Oh
rigid snow
6gb for AI is yikes
i have 6, you can run a 12b crazy quantized
signal beacon
where in gods green earth are those the same price?
I mean they're both around 150 euros
rigid snow
i have 6, you can run a 12b crazy quantized
with a tiny ctx window
glass flower
qwen3-next for example takes like 40gb of ram if you use the offloading mode in lm studio (tho im still waiting for the slider...)
signal beacon
If i read the prices correctly
signal beacon
Oh wtf
glass flower
qwen3-next-80b is like 50gb on disk
signal beacon
2080ti are still 250-400 here
Turns out I HEAVILY misread the price
glass flower
i would honestly recommend maybe something like qwen3-4b-2507 pretty good model for the size and doesn't take much vram. you can probably run 32k context without offloading on 6gb
signal beacon
Or atleast got it from the wrong source
rigid snow
i have 6, you can run a 12b crazy quantized
this fits in 6gb and is just lobotomized enough to make sense
stray dragon
And 1000 euros on any other site
other sites sell new, unopened gpu (20 series has been out of production for many years)
rigid snow
best deal for ai has been 3090 used for many years
stray dragon
you want used gpu for anything not in current production
rigid snow
only problem with 3090 is you need a good enough psu
signal beacon
3060-3090 depending on budget and vram models
Theyre all around 300 bucks
rigid snow
the least i saw 3090s for is 450 ish
signal beacon
I meant 3060 and 70
olive sable
cheapest 2ndhand 3050 here is 180. cheapest 2ndhand 3090 is 500
and the 3090 is so much better than the 3050
stray dragon
cheapest 2ndhand 3050 here is 180. cheapest 2ndhand 3090 is 500
surely the 3050 price is an outlier
signal beacon
Their ads have been getting worse every single day man
stray dragon
Their ads have been getting worse every single day man
ublock origin extension:
rigid snow
does 3050 even make any sense
stray dragon
does 3050 even make any sense
no
rigid snow
like for anything
stray dragon
it's always been shit
signal beacon
ublock origin extension:
If only that existed on phone...
signal beacon
it's always been shit
Ouch
signal beacon
like for *anything*
Yes
stray dragon
If only that existed on phone...
brave browser app:
signal beacon
Osu
stray dragon
brave browser app:
(comes with adblocker)
rigid snow
gpu for osu 
stray dragon
what
olive sable
gpu for osu <:ICANT:1093292528066904195>
gpu for av1 
true hemlock
2080Ti only worth $180 at most imo
signal beacon
Aka Windscribe™'s POWERFUL custom DNS solution
Not only does this beast of a dns have a cool name
stray dragon
"POWERFUL" so it's just like tha adguard app or that other one
olive sable
windscribe
true hemlock
does 3050 even make any sense
yes if you got it as a gift
olive sable
?
signal beacon
It also has dns level ad blocking!
stray dragon
Not only does this beast of a dns have a cool name
i've literally never heard of them
i don't need you to read their ad to me
olive sable
windscribe
thats a name i havent heard in years
signal beacon
i don't need you to read their ad to me
Its not their ad
Its a custom generated one
By my braincells
signal beacon
thats a name i havent heard in years
Yeah I bought their build a plan thing
It's not bad
olive sable
surely the 3050 price is an outlier
thats how "cheapest" works tho. it is specifically less than the avarage
signal beacon
But not perfect either
stray dragon
By my braincells
did you hear about it from an ad or from a product endorsement
signal beacon
did you hear about it from an ad or from a product endorsement
No
true hemlock
3050 only worth $80 imo
signal beacon
I honestly have no idea where I found out about it
stray dragon
thats how "cheapest" works tho. it is specifically less than the avarage
i mean "outlier" in terms of bad value
signal beacon
3050 only worth $80 imo
I got an entire pc for 150 euros with an rtx 3050 inside
And 8 gb ddr4
- ryzen 3 2200g
Which i fortunately upgraded
stray dragon
It's not bad
clearly doesn't work if you're still seeing ads lol
stray dragon
I got an entire pc for 150 euros with an rtx 3050 inside
damn
signal beacon
clearly doesn't work if you're still seeing ads lol
It wasnt on
true hemlock
3050 only worth $80 imo
scheduler pretty shit on it and its bandwidth bottlenecked so it only get to utilize 70% of its theoretical raw compute
true hemlock
I got an entire pc for 150 euros with an rtx 3050 inside
that's fine
signal beacon
If I turn it on it'll just show me offers from london
olive sable
cheapest 2ndhand 3050 here is 180. cheapest 2ndhand 3090 is 500
actually i found a 3050 for 145 
still nearly useless gpu tho
signal beacon
scheduler pretty shit on it and its bandwidth bottlenecked so it only get to uti...
Wtf
Why would they do that
true hemlock
idk
olive sable
moeny
signal beacon
Is it possible to flash a custom vbios on the gpu?
true hemlock
that's why i said its pretty bad of a gpu especially when its sometimes overpriced
signal beacon
Because I'll gladly do that to enjoy this gpu to its fullest
stray dragon
If I turn it on it'll just show me offers from london
it's not very powerful then lmao
stray dragon
proper solution will block all ads, not just localize them to somewhere else
signal beacon
it's not very powerful then lmao
I mean the whole point of a vpn is to spoof my ip
signal beacon
proper solution will block all ads, not just localize them to somewhere else
The thing itself is a vpn
The ad blocking stuff is the dns
That's included with the vpn
stray dragon
it clearly does not block ads
signal beacon
proper solution will block all ads, not just localize them to somewhere else
It does block ads
jagged turtle
least confusing wording
stray dragon
ah
i've had facebook market work with locations that i am very much not at though....
true hemlock
3060 is pretty nice
stray dragon
how often do you move lmao
signal beacon
how often do you move lmao
I don't
stray dragon
then it's a thing you set one time
signal beacon
Oh
stray dragon
idk man...........
signal beacon
Does it not change depending on your ip?
amber fractal
Man I wish I had a decent 3060 with not half memory and probably memory bandwidth
I CBA to pay for it tho
I don't use it enough
stray dragon
Does it not change depending on your ip?
i always have a tab with it open and with the location set, it's a property stored in the url
true hemlock
i always have a tab with it open and with the location set, it's a property stor...
i'd take that 960 ngl
stray dragon
if you don't like keeping tabs open, you can just bookmark www.facebook.com/marketplace/[YOUR CITY HERE]/search
should work
signal beacon
Alright
olive sable
cheapest i could find:
3090 is 500
3080ti is 500
3080 is 300
3070ti is 200
3070 is 160
3060ti is 150
3060 is 165
3050 is 145
steep drop at the 3080
stray dragon
i'd take that 960 ngl
not even for parts wtf
that's a deal
unfortunately i'm not in latvia lmao
true hemlock
cheapest i could find:
3090 is 500
3080ti is 500
3080 is 300
3070ti is 200
3070 ...
3080ti isn't reasonable its $350 at most
olive sable
couldnt find it lower
signal beacon
I just remembered that my friend has like 2 rtx 2080 tis just laying around
true hemlock
but its close to 3090 performance and bandwidth, just with half vram
signal beacon
Are they a good upgrade over my rtx 3050?
stray dragon
should be
true hemlock
3070 for $160, i'd take that's the sweet spot
olive sable
you're only missing out on av1 decoding
stray dragon
2080 seems like ~50% better than 3050 8gb version
true hemlock
Are they a good upgrade over my rtx 3050?
iirc 3050 is 1660Ti level so its even slower than a 2060
olive sable
3070 for $160, i'd take that's the sweet spot
its euro, so 188 usd i geuss
true hemlock
close enough
olive sable
true
olive sable
in terms of performance 3070 is best, but it only has 8gb for some reason
olive sable
Quick question, are you from Belgium or the Netherlands?
belgium ye
signal beacon
Oh nice
olive sable
signal beacon
I noticed your username that's why I asked
true hemlock
in terms of performance 3070 is best, but it only has 8gb for some reason
3080 10gb is worse in terms of vram per compute
3080 is like way faster than 3070
olive sable
3080 10gb is worse in terms of vram per compute
if we focus on vram then 3060 would be best i think
true hemlock
but only extra 2gb vram lmao
yeah
honestly, best vram per compute would be K80
then P40
but you don't want "best vram per compute"
olive sable
I noticed your username that's why I asked
are you mayhaps from the low countries since you ask this?
signal beacon
<:neuroCatUuh:1131629092475768884> <:neuroCatUuh:1131629092475768884> <:neuroCat...
I am from the center of the country
signal beacon
Yes
rigid snow
i know you're programmers but surely there;s someone here with a not awful taste in design
i remember i said like yesterday instrument sans is a nice font and everyone whoichose to comment said it was bad
and i said context matters
i think this is nice and has character and personality to it unlike all uses of this font like veryone does with vibecoding and shit it;s the new cool font
even the us govt "gold card visa" website uses this font which is cool it looks nice at least
but it's become very overused
i think i cooked
don't look a tsong card design too close i literally just did those just so i have some context
this isn't like extraordinary but i think it looonks nice
true hemlock
@signal beacon which version of 3050 you have
olive sable
i know you're programmers but surely there;s someone here with a not awful taste...
hmmm
signal beacon
What are the drawbacks of a quantized model?
olive sable
mltncandy
amber fractal
3060 12gb is well balanced
3060 6gb is unbalenced because it is in a laptop, no other reason
rigid snow
ass?
rigid snow
olive sable
doesn't look that bad there
signal beacon
But it would look bad depending on where it is
true hemlock
rip
signal beacon
And that is the exact reason why you should use the Samsung Sans font!
true hemlock
3050 6gb is literally just 1060 or slower
olive sable
And that is the exact reason why you should use the Samsung Sans font!
the WHAT?
samsung has a font
call the police
rigid snow
doesn't look that bad there
you know what i meant by the
"gold card visa"
go slook there that's how it's used everyuwhere now
hype it's literally overnight, maybe the font dropped on google fonts and THAT's why it's now everywherrt? anyways go look
that's how it's used everywhere
amber fractal
i must flee the country
Get back here mr.sung
rigid snow
i must flee the country
says you 
olive sable
you know what i meant by the
"gold card visa"
go slook there that's how it's us...
i have absolutely no clue whay a gold card visa is
signal beacon
If i had image perms, id show y'all how beautiful it is
olive sable
i thought visa wa sa pasport
rigid snow
i have absolutely no clue whay a gold card visa is
us president card
olive sable
wht
rigid snow
gold card that acts as living permit
signal beacon
Very expensive visa bypass card
rigid snow
ye
olive sable
the brother himself has a special colour?
amber fractal
needs to match him being made of money
olive sable
rigid snow
i actually think that website looks kinda nice
but still overused font
and subject is
ye
rigid snow
i actually think that website looks kinda nice
unless they changed it since
i haven’t looked since it came out
rigid snow
i haven’t looked since it came out
ye still uses the font
olive sable
i know you're programmers but surely there;s someone here with a not awful taste...
honeslty im more focussed on the "fuck u skrillex you think ur andy warhol but ur not!! ❤️ "
true hemlock
6gb modules exist
rigid snow
honeslty im more focussed on the "fuck u skrillex you think ur andy warhol but u...
LISTEN TO IT MIXTAPE IT"S SO GOOD
olive sable
send link
signal beacon
Hey guys is mixing different ram kits with each other really that big of a deal if speed isn't a big deal?
olive sable
Hey guys is mixing different ram kits with each other really that big of a deal ...
its kind aa big deal
at the very least match the clock
signal beacon
its kind aa big deal
Okay what are the disadvantages?
true hemlock
Hey guys is mixing different ram kits with each other really that big of a deal ...
ddr4 is quite tolerant with that but since you're on am4, could be a big deal
rigid snow
LISTEN TO IT MIXTAPE IT"S SO GOOD
though if you don't liuke bass music maybe it's not for you? idk listen anyway
signal beacon
at the very least match the clock
They're all set to 2133
true hemlock
Okay what are the disadvantages?
timing and spd mismatch
signal beacon
Because one of them has 2133 max
true hemlock
sometimes can't even boot
olive sable
it will run everything at whatever is the worst of the 2 sticks
signal beacon
sometimes can't even boot
Are you implying that it may or may not boot?
signal beacon
it will run everything at whatever is the worst of the 2 sticks
There are 4 sticks
true hemlock
best to find identical dimm
signal beacon
3 from corsair
olive sable
They're all set to 2133
can you sned the model numbers maybe?
if the timings are somewhat close it could work
signal beacon
1 from samsung
signal beacon
can you sned the model numbers maybe?
if the timings are somewhat close it could...
My pc is off rn
olive sable
if the 3 are the same set use the 3
signal beacon
So 2 of them are identical
olive sable
oh
signal beacon
1 is different
olive sable
use the 2
signal beacon
so it's 2 and 1 and 1
Yes
true hemlock
dude we don't know wtf is black or red lol
olive sable
the 2 in slot 2 and 4
true hemlock
specs matter more
signal beacon
the 2 in slot 2 and 4
I did that
olive sable
okay
signal beacon
dude we don't know wtf is black or red lol
Yeah the point is that it's 2 and 1 and 1
stray dragon
shouldn't kill anything even if you try the mixed ram setup
just refuse to boot with it
true hemlock
yeah it shouldn't kill anything
olive sable
dude we don't know wtf is black or red lol
2 sticks is bound to be better than 1 stick with better specs. unless the 2 are heavily outdated
stray dragon
can remove the offending stick if it doesn't work
true hemlock
if you're lucky it could work
stray dragon
give it a try
stray dragon
oh
true hemlock
did it boot?
signal beacon
did it boot?
Yes
true hemlock
also what are the sticks
signal beacon
With absolutely no issues
signal beacon
also what are the sticks
Ddr4
true hemlock
capacity, speed, timings
signal beacon
capacity, speed, timings
2x4gb 1x8gb 1x4gb
olive sable
uh
olive sable
enable xmp
stray dragon
and they all run at 2133 together
signal beacon
POST fails if I go over 2666
stray dragon
seems fine, if a bit cursed
signal beacon
and they all run at 2133 together
Yes
true hemlock
aight you know what
rigid snow
slow ass ram
true hemlock
keep that
true hemlock
that one was funny
olive sable
i wonder why it wont post at 3000?
maybe needs 2T?
stray dragon
i am a firm believer in "ram speed does not matter"
olive sable
what cpu is this again?
true hemlock
2133 is fine
signal beacon
what cpu is this again?
Ryzen 5 5500
rigid snow
2666 is so fucking slow for even 2020
olive sable
- shoudl be same memory controller as 5950x no?
rigid snow
5th gen is new enough it shouldn't mattee yeee
true hemlock
2666 is so fucking slow for even 2020
if the timing is tight its fine
true hemlock
5500. shoudl be same memory controller as 5950x no?
no
signal beacon
It's just not very fast
rigid snow
350
olive sable
5500 is not vermeer 
signal beacon
5500 is not vermeer <a:WHAT:1293890244290019420>
Its cezanne
true hemlock
eh real world perf 5500 is almost the same as 5600
olive sable
according to my very trustworthy source as google ai sumamry. cezanne should even handle higher clocks than vermeer
signal beacon
I had to bios update and ages update for it to work
amber fractal
My memories are failing me, are the asrock boards garbage on AM4 or AM5
signal beacon
according to my very trustworthy source as google ai sumamry. cezanne should eve...
It should
true hemlock
according to my very trustworthy source as google ai sumamry. cezanne should eve...
fucking clanker misinfo
olive sable
i mean memory clocks
signal beacon
Should I just buy an Intel arc b something instead of an rtx
They have like 16 gb of vram
amber fractal
My memories are failing me, are the asrock boards garbage on AM4 or AM5
where did I even hear this from, looks like non issue surely
olive sable
even for gaming b580 is decently priced among brand new cards
rigid snow
unless you need cuda
and for ai chances are you DO
signal beacon
unless you need cuda
What would make me want to use/need cuda?
true hemlock
cezanne seem to be pretty good with memory overclock
olive sable
What would make me want to use/need cuda?
a lot 
true hemlock
would try actually i have an am4 board and samsung b die 2x8gb kit
that kit is worth like crazy nowdays
might wanna try hitting 4933
olive sable
suppsoedly the chiplet design or whatever causes vermeer to be slightly slower?
amber fractal
even for gaming b580 is decently priced among brand new cards
how in the frick is it $250 in this ecomony
used is higher priced
true hemlock
because intel is based af in the gpu department
olive sable
B580 used is not it.
only could find a full pc for 2.2K with a i7 265kf and 2x16 6000 cl36 ram
overpriced to shit
true hemlock
overpriced as shit
just get the 13950hx for cheap
$220 nowdays at most
well, engi sample
but i always had a really great times overclocking these engi sample
signal beacon
true hemlock
honestly
amber fractal
embed failure gif
true hemlock
i could send you a 13900 es if you're willing to pay for it + shipping
olive sable
HUHHHHHHH??????? 😭
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1450543210593124572/...
dont buy brand new
2dehands
signal beacon
Yeah i know I was just looking
signal beacon
But what the actual fuck bro
true hemlock
<:neuroCatUuh:1131629092475768884>
its about $210 rn
signal beacon
400 bucks for that?
stray dragon
the new gpu prices from official vendors are always so silly
olive sable
its about $210 rn
stray dragon
they treat that shit like retro game cartridges or something
true hemlock
13900 es is top 1 best SFF cpu build imo
true hemlock
for value
signal beacon
Theyre reselling the reseller's offer
stray dragon
"this isn't in production anymore, that means the supply is limited and we can charge more for it!!!"
olive sable
i think thats an upgrade over my 5950x
24 cores over my 16
stray dragon
i don't understand why they do it
true hemlock
i think thats an upgrade over my 5950x
24 cores over my 16
ehhh
8 p + 16 e cores lol
signal beacon
i don't understand why they do it
Because 💰 🤑 💸
stray dragon
Because 💰 🤑 💸
but surely nobody buys it at those prices...
signal beacon
Unfortunately in economics, businesses don't give a fuck about you and they only care about profit
I mean i understand why but it's still unfortunate
olive sable
8 p + 16 e cores lol
the p cores are 30% more supposedly
the problem is getting the other parts
signal beacon
but surely nobody buys it at those prices...
You'd be surprised
amber fractal
Honestly out of all of the :new-leaf: experinces this week, this has been one of the better ones
true hemlock
the p cores are 30% more supposedly
only on k models :(
true hemlock
but 13900 es is hella power efficient
olive sable
only on k models :(
ah
true hemlock
if tuned right
you can run it on sff cooler
at 200W
and it'll still just hover at most 88C
signal beacon
i would be
true hemlock
the ihs is good
signal beacon
Translation: Sold 182 times
stray dragon
Translation: Sold 182 times
price changed over time
true hemlock
lmao 182 people got scammed
signal beacon
Yeah but still
stray dragon
but yeah 3050 is a scam anyways
signal beacon
What if this didn't change price dynamically
stray dragon
e-waste card
stray dragon
What if this didn't change price dynamically
182 idiots then
signal beacon
e-waste card
Yes
true hemlock
even 5050 gets more respect than 3050
true hemlock
but in my home town 3050 is the default pre-built card. often paired with 13700F
signal beacon
even 5050 gets more respect than 3050
I completely forgot about that card
How much does it cost
true hemlock
but in my home town 3050 is the default pre-built card. often paired with 13700F
shittiest pairing
stray dragon
How much does it cost
$200
true hemlock
i wanna throw up
stray dragon
for 50 series you buy new
olive sable
Z790 mobo is 200., so then id be half a thousand in for not that much performance over my current pc
if i get it as a whoel new pc and use this as a server then id be paying like 1300 + kidney for ram
idk
true hemlock
Z790 mobo is 200., so then id be half a thousand in for not that much performanc...
just get a B760m
you don't need good phases for 13900 es
olive sable
80 bucks
true hemlock
its locked, and i doubt you could figure out how to unlock it
locked to 5.2ghz
1.2v
rigid snow
true hemlock
at most its only drawing 220W
any 8+1+1 60A could do
just get the one with vrm heatsink
the 13900 would most likely be drawing at average 20W too lmao
olive sable
i think its just not worth it rn unless i need a 2nd pc
true hemlock
depending on your tuning
you can make it run at only 5W
while basic browsing and discord
and youtube
rigid snow
youtuve music?
i hope you're listening i listen to over hafl already
true hemlock
its a very efficient chip
olive sable
i hope you're listening i listen to over hafl already
i was waiting on a link
true hemlock
its the exact same chip i used to argue against the "arm is more efficient" tech bros
olive sable
ah
rigid snow
it's a graffiti outside his house
which is fun i think
olive sable
its the exact same chip i used to argue against the "arm is more efficient" tech...
cant wait for my 13900 es phone in 2 years
rigid snow
(iphone)
true hemlock
might wanna put that in my todo list
i9phone
i could probably build a brick phone ngl
pico itx or whatever thats called
powered by 1C lipo
true hemlock
idk what are you doing with it
signal beacon
Hosting it locally
olive sable
lcd screen, (igpu?), 13900 es, noctua nh-d15, 15Kmah battery
signal beacon
And fine tuning it
olive sable
perfect combo
signal beacon
Messing with it
true hemlock
then inference, it'll work
olive sable
needs cuda most likely, nvidia
signal beacon
Doesn't amd have it's own equivalent?
signal beacon
Alr
visual pawn
yeah it's about how much you're willing to pay to not deal with spending time working out how to do something with your specific setup
instead of the more popular option
olive sable
which is fun i think
dj smokey recommended that i listen to the album from start to finish. so i guess i have to
i like how the songs have seamless transitions
rigid snow
uh huh
signal beacon
yeah it's about how much you're willing to pay to not deal with spending time wo...
I mean i could find a way to optimize the llms even more but that would take a very long time since I have absolutely no knowledge when it comes to coding
olive sable
uh huh
feels like the kind of songs i shoudl play on the big sub, but its 5am and im on headphones
true hemlock
lcd screen, (igpu?), 13900 es, noctua nh-d15, 15Kmah battery
also i'd just get those sff cooler heatsink and strap smaller 40mm fans on the side
rigid snow
hard delta
website says "give this command in shell, see it run"
nvidia card in machine
you do it, it runs
amd card in machine
you discuss the output and the errors with 6 different discord servers and 3 different llms for 2 days until you figure out how why you can't have an easy workaround
signal beacon
website says "give this command in shell, see it run"
nvidia card in machine
you...
Oh
Wow
rigid snow
feels like the kind of songs i shoudl play on the big sub, but its 5am and im on...
i live alone. envy
i listening on speakerds
hard delta
Oh
"no knowledge when it comes to coding" and "mainstream support is not there yet" don't mix well
signal beacon
feels like the kind of songs i shoudl play on the big sub, but its 5am and im on...
Galaxy Collapse by Kurokotei followed by a random Camellia song chosen by your local AI
signal beacon
"no knowledge when it comes to coding" and "mainstream support is not there yet"...
Yeah i see
olive sable
i live alone. envy
the moment i graduate i will move out of my parents house cuz i got that social security 
visual pawn
"no knowledge when it comes to coding" and "mainstream support is not there yet"...
not unless you're actually intending to stress yourself out for its own sake, but if you just wanna get it done and spend your efforts on something else then yeah
hey if it's LLMs you wanna work with, you don't need C++
visual pawn
all the higher level stuff you work with is in python
signal beacon
Okay
visual pawn
you may need other languages if you're diving deep but frankly you don't need to unless like, that is your actual job
olive sable
i listening on speakerds
i like the part where it goes bzzzzz br br br rb bzzzzzzzzzzzz br br br br
visual pawn
if you just want to train and use DL models, it's all python
signal beacon
How long does it take on average to learn the basics of python?
true hemlock
you're most likely writing the wrapper at most
visual pawn
a week?
stray dragon
python pretty easy to learn
true hemlock
can be done in python
visual pawn
a few days if you're dedicated?
olive sable
Its python right?
im afraid i must tell you, that is C++
signal beacon
That's very fast compared to other languages
visual pawn
like, the amount of python you need to know to do deep learning is actually not that intense
you won't be doing wizard shit
signal beacon
im afraid i must tell you, that is C++
No i know std::cout is c++
olive sable
oh
signal beacon
I meant the language needed for llm
rigid snow
ye i was thinking all the actual inference or underlying code not python
you can do just fine with like maybe pytorch
olive sable
python uses C libraries and stuff for it no?
visual pawn
if you understand basic programming structures (ifs, loops, functions, classes), can download and import libraries, and do some basic Input/Output
you can understand an AI training and inference script
signal beacon
if you understand basic programming structures (ifs, loops, functions, classes),...
Wait that's it?
visual pawn
yes
signal beacon
WAIT
visual pawn
the whole point of machine learning is that the machine is doing the learning
rigid snow
what did you think it was
visual pawn
you're not going in there and coding the weights on your own
that shit is all on the training
signal beacon
That actually made me remember a lot of stuff I learnt a long time ago
rigid snow
ye?
olive sable
Wait that's it?
its math and shit
you do some fancy highschool math
signal beacon
From the android kotlin docs
visual pawn
a training script for an AI model can be like, 50 lines of python or less
signal beacon
<:NeuroConfused:1424073798692507813> what did you think it was
I had no idea what it was honestly
rigid snow
olive sable
i listening on speakerds
"squishy clip" is an aptly named part of the songs. i wonder why it sounds like a spring?
audio nerd please explain
signal beacon
a training script for an AI model can be like, 50 lines of python or less
Would it be a good idea to make it remember a specific code or command that would toggle training mode?
rigid snow
<a:neuroUM:1454684233464283289>
NEW EMOTE
hard delta
rich people in your area: i want hand-tuned models hand-tuned by tuning slaves
visual pawn
Would it be a good idea to make it remember a specific code or command that woul...
it's not so much training "mode" so much as like
olive sable
visual pawn
and you'll have somewhere where you define the model architecture (or you can literally just download an existing one)
and then you define the training data (literally point to a folder and a .csv with labels or whatever depending on what kind of model you're training)
signal beacon
I shall make TRM have common sense
visual pawn
and then it's quite literally model.train()
hard delta
tldr you don't need to be a vehicle engineer to drive a car
olive sable
unless you want to be
glad path
How long does it take on average to learn the basics of python?
like a week idk
it doesnt take very long
visual pawn
like don't get me wrong, you can get deep into the weeds if you want to, but most of that is done for you when you do "import torch"
opaque sigil
signal beacon
Well I'm gonna need some docs for this lol
glad path
- pip install whatever the frick you want
- go to a file
- import whatever the frick you want
- you're like basically done
visual pawn
Im looking for a simple example on github
I'd link my own but that's automatic dox on me lol
olive sable
torch just works better on nvidia or smthn?
visual pawn
visual pawn
an epoch is like an iteration of training; it'll run whatever number of epochs you set
there are some parameters like which optimizer you use, learning rate, etc.
but those honestly don't matter as much as your training data
you'll see the DataLoaders there which just define and handle loading in the training data and labels
glad path
a library library
visual pawn
Okay I'll look into this tomorrow
or maybe a basic tutorial will be easier: https://docs.pytorch.org/tutorials/beginner/blitz/cifar10_tutorial.html
olive sable
opaque sigil
torch just works better on nvidia or smthn?
Unfortunately
visual pawn
that also shows what defining model architecture is like
that's how you define model architecture
basically you're defining what the layers are
but what everyone does is they use an architecture someone else came up with
olive sable
i used to let people use my gpu for training, but since then ive been sent ai generated training code which i had to help fix so i stopped doing that
visual pawn
a training script is usually simple enough that a competent LLM can generate it without issues (usually)
olive sable
visual pawn
ofc the problem with AI coding is when it isn't the usual so
anyways point is, if you have basic python and motivation, AI work is doable
don't feel like you need arcane super hacker programmer knowledge
olive sable
you also jsut kinda learn by doing it
opaque sigil
A part of me wants to see how well opus does at implementing diffusion but I don't think I care enough to check
olive sable
so do it
visual pawn
A part of me wants to see how well opus does at implementing diffusion but I don...
I've had Opus do well when I just do something like "I want a training script to train a classifier model. I want the architecture to be ResNet. It will take an RGB image and a .csv file as input. the CSV file will label whether the image is a hot dog or not a hot dog"
opaque sigil
Bed too comfy for ml silliness
visual pawn
oh, and if you see the word "tensor" a lot, don't get intimidated. it has its own meaning in math but in ML it pretty much just means an array of whatever dimensions
opaque sigil
resnet is simple enough and probably all over the internet so makes sense I guess
visual pawn
like a 2D array of numbers, a 5D array of numbers, etc.
yeah, Resnet, UNet, the popular simple ones
usually no problems
tough dove
FPS dropped by 1000 because of the addition of SpriteMap. 
opaque sigil
Make it a vector
opaque sigil
Wait, different map huh
umbral thorn
umbral thorn
olive sable
opaque sigil
tough dove
why my dj controlled not work with very legitimate copy of serato dj pro
because it's a copy
rigid snow
i know right i wanna drop my stuff like that too
but it's not sincere enough
that's why i don't
like i have one
olive sable
wdym with sincere?
rigid snow
also the genre i make doesn'[t reallu appreciate sincere
rigid snow
wdym with sincere?
putting my emotions in
like
you know
if you did anything aritstic
you'd know
it's a way to eexpress
not just create foir the sake of it
if we come down ot basics
rigid snow
if we come down ot basics
to relieve yourselves of emotionb
and if you get strong one
you know what
check dm i feel i;m smashed enoght
tough dove
#programming is where people talk about everything
olive sable
i jsut dont think i do that
google says i have 
"Alexithymia"
tough dove
Is there a guide on drawing pixel games?
tough dove
guide on what?
guide on drawing assets in pixel games
olive sable
olive sable
guide on what?
dumb question in hindsight but i misread the original question
olive sable
nix config is love, nix config is life, nix config must be cleaned
the config must grow
olive sable
Samsung belgium just advertised to me how i can use gemini banana nano to generate my dreams.
Why they advertising other people's products??? You make phones samsung
amber fractal
Never not laughing at calling an image model banana
jagged turtle
Samsung belgium just advertised to me how i can use gemini banana nano to genera...
samsung and google are friends
lmao
rigid snow
https://gemini.google.com/app everything that has internet browser
faint sandal
:bih:
quick condor
easiest way is to take a LLM that can do both vision and text generation. and th...
Vision built into a model can be nice but isn't great. Usually it's no more than one layer of the LLM in size. Plus it explains turning on and off vision, most likely a tool call that he can enable
quick condor
Rag is a bit simplistic but generally memory is one of the most difficult parts. For TTS, XTTS_v2 is one other option and piper if going for English. For api open Ai compatible endpoints plus a hell of a lot of others as needed.
Haven't touched vision yet so can't say too much
For all: no but it involves a strong liver and lots of alcohol/determination
quick condor
What are the drawbacks of a quantized model?
Depends on the method and level of quantization, between slight variation from unquantitized and lobotomy.
visual pawn
I think RAG is a very fair assumption though, especially given how he's treated their memories
like being able to just bring them up and read and modify them casually
quick condor
Well yes but there is more nuance to it, the "upgrades" to memory are likely not just hardware but something like embedding management and vector DB matching
RAG is an incredibly wide net
visual pawn
well yeah, but that's why "some kind of RAG" is a very safe bet
when people ask I usually just say that, but any more detail than that would be hard to figure out from what we've seen
quick condor
I from when he does talk about back end stuff it really does seem like he's not trying to gatekeep so much as phrase things in a way that people who are genuinely interested and capable of doing something in the same general concept would understand while not wasting time teaching people to make slop. I honestly think there is enough info to make something in the same general vein so long as you understand you are probably going to find yourself regretting your decisions yet continuing anyway
rigid snow
quick condor
When I first started getting seriously into this stuff I almost pulled a Vedal and bought Gpus that almost didn't fit in the case I had at the time
true hemlock
im still baffled with how some people make the case clearance the biggest concern lmao
quick condor
Wait I just watched a clip from today and i have to say discord update fucked voice.
true hemlock
im still baffled with how some people make the case clearance the biggest concer...
triple gpu except the third one is on top of the cpu cooler
its a mess, but sure as hell does it look cool and somewhat satisfying
quick condor
I can say that pycord dev build works if you manually add a keep alive packet running
visual pawn
I from when he does talk about back end stuff it really does seem like he's not ...
well it's like "how they built the pyramids". People think the mystery is wondering how it was possible but it's really more we don't know some details on the exact methods used
we have plenty of plausible methods that could've worked
it's just hard to tell the exact one used
quick condor
I spent literally 6 hours yesterday debugging pycord
young plover
im still baffled with how some people make the case clearance the biggest concer...
Decided to re-add my 3090 to my PC for the lols and was almost foiled by PCIe slot spacing
quick condor
Me trying to cram 2 3090tis and an A4000 in one case
young plover
In my previous rig in a Corsair 5000D, the 3090 was basically touching the front radiator
quick condor
Wait is that a 7000D
young plover
Damn them blowers are thicc
quick condor
The 480mm is 125mm thick including fans
fickle rain
15 million tokens IS NOT OK
Is this better?
Token usage: total=938,132 input=736,076 (+ 9,028,480 cached) output=202,056 (reasoning 160,384)
rigid snow
maybe
austere fiber
Btw i really just want to know if i could re-sell the pieces that arent fucked up
Nothing really specific
idle dune
This is a better place for tech support. So answer a few questions;
- What is the PC, is it a laptop Nam eand brand.
- Whats the specs.
- Are ou able to get into Windows?
austere fiber
This is a better place for tech support. So answer a few questions;
1. What is t...
1- its a pre-buuld tabletop computer from pichau
2- i have no fucking idea😭
3- it doesnt even finish starting up atp (and it was turning off by itself before)
idle dune
Btw i really just want to know if i could re-sell the pieces that arent fucked u...
You want to daignose the parts to make sure they aren't broken. If you resell the GPu and the GPU is broke th eperson will want thei rmoney back
austere fiber
You want to daignose the parts to make sure they aren't broken. If you resell th...
Fr
idle dune
1- its a pre-buuld tabletop computer from pichau
2- i have no fucking idea😭
3-...
If it turning off buy itself than the PSU is fucked, if you rpeace the power supply than t wil more than likely work again
austere fiber
If it turning off buy itself than the PSU is fucked, if you rpeace the power sup...
I mean the tech said it was that our cooler wasnt cooling anymore
And i do live in a very hot country
Although i kinda forced the pc to work by using a fan
And it did work (for some time)
Now i ferl like something has melted inside it or smth like that💔
austere fiber
If it turning off buy itself than the PSU is fucked, if you rpeace the power sup...
Also what is a PSU
austere fiber
<:MONKA:1424355471887699988> i left stove on
Dayum
idle dune
Power Supply Unit, its what delivers power to all the computer parts. Its th emost common fail poit on a computer. But if you ran it with the CPU cooler that didn't work that its probably jsut fucked, I'd recommend buying a new PC and trying to salvage what you cna from that machine to resel
austere fiber
Power Supply Unit, its what delivers power to all the computer parts. Its th emo...
Yeah that was the original idea
Well, eitherway i wont have a pc untill christmas next year💔
My yiutuber carrer is fr dead now
*youtuber
visual pawn
Power Supply Unit, its what delivers power to all the computer parts. Its th emo...
Wouldn't a PC with a broken CPU cooler just throttle and shut down on its own before any damage?
At which point it's a cheap and easy fix
austere fiber
Wouldn't a PC with a broken CPU cooler just throttle and shut down on its own be...
I forced it to work by using an external fan
I was fr forcing it past its limits
idle dune
Yeah they ghetto rigged it. It could still work with a new cooler.
visual pawn
Are you saying it's still working right now with an external fan?
austere fiber
Are you saying it's still working right now with an external fan?
Was*
It doesnt even turn on anymore
idle dune
But a slap a Hyper 212 in it
austere fiber
And it was getting insanelly slow so
idle dune
It’s like 20 bucks and can mount on any socket
austere fiber
Idk i really feel like it isnt worth it
rigid snow
kitchen just a bit warm
austere fiber
Because a new CPU cooler is cheap and not too difficult to install
Uhh not in brazil unfortunatelly
rigid snow
wasn't full blast thankfully
visual pawn
Idk i really feel like it isnt worth it
A stock cooler still shouldn't be much even in brazil