programming

[sick owl]

My 7700x runs into the 70s-80s under load

[astral zinc]

I used a cheaper water cooling fan than I thought, but it's a good temperature for the i9?

[sick owl]

Yeah that's pretty exceptional

[astral zinc]

[sick owl]

Here's the gguf I recommend btw

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gpt-oss-20b-GGUF/blob/main/gpt-oss-20b-F16.gguf

[astral zinc]

Thanks

[amber fractal]

Quack has said the intel 13-14th gens are extremely hard to cool, so props to that cooler

[sick owl]

Use the launch settings from the params file in the same repo as the gguf with the --n-cpu-moe trick I recommended on llama.cpp

And enjoy!

[astral zinc]

It's only 50$..

[astral zinc]

Thank you so much.

[sick owl]

Yeah 14900Ks have a maximum operating temperature of 100 degrees

[sick owl]

Though obviously you wanna stay as far away from that as your cooling allows, I'd treat 95 as the absolute cap

[rigid snow]

boil the coolant

[sick owl]

No worries, I'm always happy to help with local AI stuff

[astral zinc]

I even use 5.5GHz for boost clocks...
How on does it cool down that much? I should look into it.

[sick owl]

Tbh coolant temp is what I'd keep an eye on yeah, keep that under 45 degrees if you can @astral zinc

CPU temps matter less on an AIO setup if they're within safe limits

[sick owl]

I guess you must've just got a good deal

[sick owl]

My 7700X hits 80-85 at 5.1-5.4

And that's with a 360mm AIO

[astral zinc]

I have a question, why did the RAM price suddenly go up? I was going to upgrade...

[astral zinc]

Oh?? My cooler is 320mm

[sick owl]

That's an amazing deal for $50

[astral zinc]

Oh, I think I've found the reason. I remember my cooler running at 3000-3200 rpm.

[sick owl]

Lmao yeah that's absurdly fast

I keep mine around the 1000rpm mark

[sick owl]

My 360mm cost like £125~ btw

So you did really well

[cobalt sigil]

ngl my ddr3 ram might still worth some money

[sick owl]

That's a bit optimistic

Maybe enough to buy you lunch

[cobalt sigil]

tbf it just eat dust

[astral zinc]

I finally figured out why I could hear the sound of a cooler in the living room, even though my room is the furthest from the living room.

[cobalt sigil]

so I'm fine with it

[sick owl]

Yeah 3000rpm will kill your fans early and sound like a jet turbine

[astral zinc]

It seems like God helped that it didn't break down even after using it for a year in that state.

[rancid cedar]

Like this?

[rigid snow]

what the fuck

[astral zinc]

That's right, haha. But I have a Minecraft server, and even though I didn't have one like that, I actually harassed it, but it was alive for two weeks. Even that is a computer that is 5 to 10 years old.

[rancid cedar]

The "Kuai Kuai" culture in Taiwan

[rigid snow]

what about the pads though

[quick condor]

Lol, mine run at 1500 normally and stall at around 800. 3k isn't even 50%

Also not sure if I can get my 10900x above 75c. Even if it were pulling 300w that would be a rounding error on my loop temps

[idle dune]

Okay so LinuxMint > Ubuntu

I will stop distrohoping when my cold sad soul in in the grave

[trim valve]

smh my head I was already asleep when you sent that

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1409679696441901086/EvilLightbulbJuice.gif

[jagged turtle]

I learned something today

[rigid snow]

ye replaceall is new

i to this day do .replace(/some/g, "other") out of habit

[jagged turtle]

fair

weird

idt

I have ever gone that far off a branch for neuropilot

[rigid snow]

pickled the last one left and ated, felt weird, chased down with shot of vodka, feel ok

[sage crag]

juicr

[quiet gust]

anyone tried out Nvidia NitroGen? gonna fire it up on vrising rn

[true hemlock]

my 6000 rpm industrial fan

[true hemlock]

AM5 has thick ihs so even AIO tend to have difficulties cooling them down. but the benefit is that AM5 temps tend to be more stable that way

its part why overclockers prefer intel more

huh

[true hemlock]

depends, K model yeah because higher voltage but proper tuning can make even 14900K run at only 80C at 340W ish so its usually the stock ones that are hard to cool

non K model are really easy to cool

but if we're comparing with wattage, AM5 is somewhat harder to cool ngl

cooling a 7950x at 220W is way harder than cooling a 14900K at 300W

because thicker and smaller surface area IHS

if you're interested in looking what a properly tuned 13th gen i9 temps looked like (using a sff cooler, 260W at <~90C)

its an i9 13900 engineering sample though

[sage crag]

wrrr

[true hemlock]

with my 360mm i can strain it to up to 280W, 60C ish

oh also intel don't use chiplets

and the cores are quite bigger than AMD

die area too for the core tile

you have less thermal density, more headroom

but in exchange its quite more power hungry

[tender river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-4VXmIJvE4

[rigid snow]

umru

jr is kinda mainstream now so i got that ok

umru

[tender river]

umru not obscure by any means

[rigid snow]

you live in bubble

[tender river]

no but surely someone like pencil or cdr much more obscure

and they are still on the popular side

[rigid snow]

that's just

not the same genre

[tender river]

true

that my benchmark though

because i wouldnt count either of them as obscure either

maybe i should

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-anime-loading-waking-up-sleep-gif-238141579623368228

Ello

[faint sandal]

[cobalt sigil]

was a good wait

[rigid snow]

[woeful edge]

[sage crag]

[tender river]

-> <-

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-xmas-neuro-sama-neuro-sama-vedal-gif-17885397028520053333

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD-mzwYXBvE

[ivory plinth]

[ivory plinth]

[sage crag]

[ivory plinth]

benub

[lime stag]

Guys have any thoughts on fex project the x86 arm translation project?

[olive sable]

from steam?

i doubt the perfroamnce will be too great cuz you lose some in translation, but im sure it will be ifne

especially coming from valve i have faith in it

[sage crag]

i think performance will be fine

[olive sable]

at the end of the day its still gonna be running on what is essentially a phone cpu

[sage crag]

slow programs dont come from unoptimised asm, they come from bad programming

[olive sable]

so as long as you manage your expectations of the graphics everything will be good

[sage crag]

graphics have nothing to do with it funnily, except on ARM machines without a dgpu

[lime stag]

I heard steam just help a little in it though the project itself does not come from steam

[olive sable]

i thought the steam frame would be arm without dgpu

[olive sable]

ye, they find pre-existing projects that already show promise before investing in it

[lime stag]

If it work well maybe there will come age when phone or tablet would be like laptop

[olive sable]

nah i doubt it

arm laptops already exist, chromebooks

[lime stag]

I just think that if it work well maybe tablet would be more useful then it was in productivity (cope)

[olive sable]

i think if it works we will see tablets with steam to play older games or games that arent too heavy

but for the more performance intensive games desktops will still rain supreme, with laptops in 2nd place

tablets with keyboard attachments might be decent for playing portal or quake

[lime stag]

Steam is the only company I interested about and have any hope in advancing consumers tech rn

[olive sable]

i think skyrim could be played on a tablet these days actually

snapdragon 8 gen 4 or whatever its called

[lime stag]

It could be played on phone

I tried it

[olive sable]

[lime stag]

Would help handheld market and phone market if it really pop.

[olive sable]

supposedly snapdragon 8 gen 4 could do gta5 at 1080p 60fps

granted its an old game now

[rigid snow]

remember it’s an emulator

game perf should be just fine ye

but not great

[olive sable]

idk how much performance is lost via translation layers

10-20%?

[opaque sigil]

no AOT translation

[sage crag]

depends on how you translate

[rigid snow]

should be jit

[olive sable]

attack on titan?

[sage crag]

remember that JVM does binary translation

[opaque sigil]

ahead of time

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

and that java programs can be just as fast as c programs

if not faster on certain workloads

jvm is top tier though

[sage crag]

im under the impression aot may lead to funkiness

[rigid snow]

how would aot work with executable pages (e.g. jit) anyway

[sage crag]

mm

[rigid snow]

decipher please what mm mean

matchmaking

memory mapping

[sage crag]

mm mean mm mm

[opaque sigil]

If rosetta can do it I'm sure it's possible

[lime stag]

Not much actually with proton

[rigid snow]

rosetta is trickery though and requires hardware support

[opaque sigil]

That is also true

[lime stag]

Prob that's why people excited about fex cause it have potential value to become faster

[sage crag]

proton doesnt translate native code from one system to another though

[sage crag]

wine replaces windows libraries with linux userspace implementations

[rigid snow]

yee

[sage crag]

pretty much all runtime overhead is in those implementations

any other perf diff is down to drivers

[rigid snow]

windows implementations are bad anyway

which is why overhead negligible

[lime stag]

Linux is the go to for arm imo

Felt better to run

[rigid snow]

but you’re trying to run a x86 binary on arm

if windows app ships an arm build you don’t need fex you just need wine

[opaque sigil]

surely someone has benchmarked fex before right

[lime stag]

Sometime I wish that window w would mess up enough that everyone migrate to Linux instead (wet dream)

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[rigid snow]

that reactos but mac instead of windows project

what was it called

[sage crag]

i think everyone should switch to

my os (pending), and use riscv instead of any other isa

[rigid snow]

ye based

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

hobbyist os useless though not based

[lime stag]

NeurOs

[sage crag]

hobbyist os NOT useless

smogfrog

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

linux is hobbyist os

[rigid snow]

it kernel dum

[sage crag]

na

linux is

kernel and also slang for

an os

common usage of word cause word to mean that thing wrr

[rigid snow]

i thought you were gonna start the copypasta i was so ready

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

copy pasta

pasta made of

egg yolk, flour, salt

[olive sable]

you always need wine

[sage crag]

make mound of flour, add egg yolk, and mix the flour and egg together until

until it dough

then put in pasta roller 1 million time

[rigid snow]

i need vodka

[sage crag]

then when done in pasta roller

make shapes

i.e.

cat

or

pasta shape

[rigid snow]

cat pasta

[sage crag]

would you not eat it?

[olive sable]

this message was sponsored by alcohol (disclaimer: this message was not sponsored by alcohol)

[rigid snow]

alcohol (substance) has money

[rigid snow]

i would but it has to be not pasta

just cat

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

gnu slash linux

gnu slash gnu herd

[sage crag]

i was wondering where i thought of the term "slash genre" from

[nocturne olive]

I still haven't figured out what keeps crashing my PC during the subathon
It's so unstable and doesn't even log why it crashes

[sage crag]

and then i gogogled

[rigid snow]

herd

[nocturne olive]

It crashes basically once per day and I can't find the root cause

[rigid snow]

wait was it supposed to be a pun

[sage crag]

its hurd

[rigid snow]

i am not aware of the gnu hurd naming lore

[lime stag]

hardware issues prob

[sage crag]

It's time [to] explain the meaning of "Hurd". "Hurd" stands for "Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons". And, then, "Hird" stands for "Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth". We have here, to my knowledge, the first software to be named by a pair of mutually recursive acronyms.

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

what THE FUCK

[olive sable]

you dont say

[nocturne olive]

I hope not because that would be very bad
Also I wouldn't still know what part or how to fix it

[sage crag]

co-recursive function

[lime stag]

God forbid it's ram

[sage crag]

def a():
  return b()

def b():
  return a()

[rigid snow]

mental illness

[sage crag]

As both hurd and hird are homophones of the English word herd, the full name GNU Hurd is also a play on the words herd of gnus, reflecting how the kernel works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildebeest

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure it's not the RAM
If it was the RAM it'd be because OC not because faulty and I've already way loosened the RAM so there's almost no way it's that

[rigid snow]

ye so it was supposed to

as i thought

[olive sable]

Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth of Unix-Replacing Daemons

[rigid snow]

hirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurd

Cat Pasta Shape

[sage crag]

def hurd(s: str) -> str:
  return hird() + " of Unix-Replacing Daemons"

def hird(s: str) -> str:
  return hurd() + " of Interfaces Representing Depth"

print(hurd())
```![nub](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1163912091569225779.webp?size=128 "nub")

[rigid snow]

...irdurdirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurdirdurd...

[sage crag]

dir dur dir dur dir

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

wrrr

`

[sage crag]

i updatett

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlbcKuDEBw8

wiiu gamepad is now coming to linux i guess

[rigid snow]

good video i watch first minute

catch in recommended

[sage crag]

good video me not watch

[olive sable]

steamdeck has been upgraded from sweaty gamers device to supreme nintendo hardware

the video does not mention the steamdeck at all btw, but its easy to guess that's what part 2 is gonna be

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[sick owl]

Mine is on an 800 to 1200 ramp based on coolant temp

But it is very efficient on account of being a 360mm radiator, if I was on 240 I'd probably target 1500

[sick owl]

I learned something new today

[silent cloak]

Its always beaten nintendslop

https://tenor.com/view/gabe-newell-heart-love-steam-gaben-gif-13796997168809376340

[maiden geyser]

thanks for the daily dose of linux propaganda, unc Sam

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

how is the video linux propaganda

[warm river]

i love linux

[maiden geyser]

i'm a hatepilled wincel

i'm so treatpilled

[sage crag]

programming

[maiden geyser]

hashtag

[teal loom]

[quick condor]

I'm on a 480+240+120

Buckshot roulette is great for reasoning training but damn is it frustrating to watch real-time

[lime stag]

My leige tech monarch

[tender river]

not to be confused with

corecursive function

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corecursion

[sage crag]

Cheesit

[tender river]

in the gc paper you linked

me read coparent -> think it opposite of parent

that just child different concept

concept

[sage crag]

coparent is when people who are not married take care of a child

[tender river]

opposite of ncept

[sage crag]

concept conjugate of ncept

[tender river]

coconut = nut (shamelessly stolen)

[sage crag]

sometimes conjugate is opposite sometimes it not

but (A*)* === A

[tender river]

wrr category theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposite_category

[sage crag]

wrr

[tender river]

add co- before any name

product coproduct

algebra coalgebra

set coset

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

sine cosine

[tender river]

category of sines

[sage crag]

easily definable

smogfrog

wrr

some sines

and their cosines maybe

but then again, their derivatives dont match the cosines

so

its not a sine

[tender river]

non regular

[sage crag]

peaks in same place but magnitude all wrong

wrr

[olive sable]

what the sigma? literally

[sage crag]

summation

[olive sable]

i know

thats the joke

[sage crag]

expanded domain

[olive sable]

domain expansion

[tender river]

make shiitake soba from same frozen shiitake i used a few days ago but it taste like chemical now

[sage crag]

[tender river]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1349755103040503868.png?size=160&name=AtorinConfused

[olive sable]

konii is a jujutsu sorcerer

[sage crag]

ElvynSerius

[olive sable]

damn, autocorrect workign against me

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1452069761512112159/copy_CFBD3ED9-4A88-4341-B0AF-2450399B6EE7.gif

i think im getting a cold

[olive sable]

[tender river]

mine has almost passed because appetite back and i have to make full meals again

still coughing a bit

[sage crag]

wrr

ooii i lost my earrings

christmas cracker earrings come back

[olive sable]

damn

[sage crag]

cheap £2 earrings come back

i found them

i dont have piercings so i cant wear them

they look stupid anyway

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

they can be used as

corkboard pins

[tender river]

make

[sage crag]

nnn im saving my ears

[tender river]

why

[olive sable]

waht does that even mean?

saving for what?

[sage crag]

reasons

i like earrings though

i might get a clip-on set

[tender river]

i say that but mine not pierced either

earring good though

[sage crag]

what if it gets ripped out

[tender river]

[sage crag]

ElvynSerius

me serius

rip earlobe scary

me cousin does ear piercing but it not matter

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1454471589809750184/GIF_20250415_150853_542.gif

[olive sable]

just getting a piercings in general scares me

[sage crag]

ear piercing not that painful so im told

other ones though

[tender river]

wrr less danger with smaller earring

[olive sable]

its not the pain, i can handle that fine. but i will 100% go KO

[sage crag]

the noise would probably shock me

just wear headphones

[tender river]

wear

earring with noise isolation

[sage crag]

mcguffin

[olive sable]

its not the sound

i jsut dislike anything breaching my skin

i will pass out

[sage crag]

lullaby

[olive sable]

vasovagal syncope

[sage crag]

[tender river]

good heavy earring design = break if pulled

or detach

[olive sable]

makes sense

[sage crag]

three option

lose earring (break)
lose earring (gone)
lose ear (break)

[olive sable]

clip-ons will just detach if pulled

and you dont need to get pierced

[sage crag]

they dont look as nice though

[tender river]

gambling

[sage crag]

gambling

[tender river]

it

just like osu

[olive sable]

i guess it depends on where the magnet is put in the designe of the earing

[sage crag]

osu

magnet...

[olive sable]

the clip is magnetic no?

[sage crag]

no

[olive sable]

oh

why?

[sage crag]

because that would be stupid

evil clown jam

[olive sable]

would it be?

[sage crag]

ye

[tender river]

magnet weak

[olive sable]

its a lot easier to put a magnet inside than to have a whole spring mechanism

[sage crag]

alternatively, magnet strong

[olive sable]

magnet not weak

get stronger magnet

[sage crag]

and

bulky

and

hurt your ear

[tender river]

it still puts constant pressure

[olive sable]

springs do too no?

[sage crag]

springs

[tender river]

i guess you can create a similar mechanical stopping mechanism for a magnet but

at that point why bother

[olive sable]

i think the point of the magnet is that you dont have to go around the back

so it looks like a normal one

[sage crag]

that how you get

magnet pinching your ear

[tender river]

magnet piercing

[sage crag]

sharp magnet

[olive sable]

maybe with larger surface area less sharp?

[sage crag]

at that point

you have big magnet on ear

[olive sable]

according to google magnetic are generally more comfortable with less pinching

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

you're just as clueless as me

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

Russians are doing DIY ddr5 ram now apparently

Chinese companies are selling the boards for them so u just need to soder them mostly

[olive sable]

ddrm5?

what is the m?

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/moistcritikal-penguinz0-charlie-misinput-it-was-a-misinput-gif-23090919

[tender river]

some guys get angry at piercing make me happy for women who do it

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

I dont think they are attractive but I won't throw a fit

[sage crag]

good thing they arent doing it for you then

[silent cloak]

Thats why I always say its up to them when ppl ask me if they should get them

[olive sable]

i really jsut dont care eitherway

[silent cloak]

I prefer natural but its not a make it or break it situation

Its no different then it someone asks if a shirt looks good or not

[olive sable]

this is such a good setup for a joke

but i absolutely cannot make it

[silent cloak]

Damn

[olive sable]

i would get zeppelined

[silent cloak]

Left us hanging

[olive sable]

id like to preserve my good image

or what i have left at least

well anyways

i know nobody asked or cares about my opinion on this matter. but i think some piercings look good

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

Let's u install ram into people

[olive sable]

nah

i don't want shortages on human parts

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

cybernetics is how we get to cyberpunk 2077

[tender river]

not really least important part of cyberpunk

[olive sable]

im not up to date on the cyberpunk 2077 lore

something about a war

[sage crag]

cyberpunk is not just cyberpunk 2077

its a genre

[olive sable]

well, im talking specifically about 2077

[olive sable]

as indicated here

[sage crag]

either way, leaf right

cybernetics least important part of getting to cyberpunk genre (cyberpunk 2077 included)

[opaque sigil]

Fashion most important part

[sage crag]

you just need to have advanced technology and societal decay caused by overbearing control typically by corporations

so basically we already live in a cyberpunk future

[tender river]

easiest to sell cyberpunk media

[olive sable]

that last part is pretty much already sorted tho. we just need the biotech

so ye

cybernetics

[sage crag]

we have advanced technology already

all of the latest technology is advanced by definition

smogfrog

sharp sticks were advanced once

[tender river]

advanced still

[tender river]

see

[sage crag]

dont come near

[tender river]

we have other advanced tech though

like

sentient tv

[sage crag]

wrr

llms are fairly cyberpunk

[tender river]

very cyberpunk just normalized already

in some aspects arguably slightly more than anticipated by cyberpunk writers actually

[sage crag]

cyberpunk is relative

cant introspect normalised societal issue as cyberpunk

wrr

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1454471589809750184/GIF_20250415_150853_542.gif

mass internet surveillance but i dont have any robot eyes yet

[tender river]

https://imgur.com/a/NJHvyBH

[sage crag]

left right left right

AtorinWow

[tender river]

oh right gotta fix plague inc integration too work work work

[sage crag]

work until work complete()

[tender river]

rest until money complete

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-pats-pet-bunny-pats-gif-19861222

bnuy

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth magic at 50s

[sage crag]

[fiery shell]

OMG WEATHER GIRL

This cover is good but I still like Humanic Eleanor forte voice

[nocturne olive]

None of this is mixing parameters
none
It's all model features

[sage crag]

eat bnuy

[fiery shell]

HERE'S THE DRO- nevermind

[tender river]

bnuy not food

[fiery shell]

[tender river]

unless cook

[sage crag]

stew

[nocturne olive]

It's just me messing around on the Weathergirl file
Because the messing around is on a separate track part is missing

[sage crag]

bnuy needs to get a bit bigger first

too small for stew

[fiery shell]

Ooh okay!

[tender river]

cat stew

[sage crag]

[tender river]

its a bit funny but a bit sad if you think about it how asian countries that were at war with japan were left with cuisines where literally anything goes

[sage crag]

ohidontsee

[tender river]

me think

ddr5 ram earring

not very comfortable

[sage crag]

mayb

not tested

[opaque sigil]

dram earrings would go hard

Shouldn't be too heavy

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

its on your ears

[tender river]

wear

on special occasion

[opaque sigil]

Obviously not something you'd want to wear every day

[sage crag]

special occasion: exam

[tender river]

store answer in ram

[sage crag]

need constant power

[tender river]

https://github.com/robdobsn/JewelryOS

[sage crag]

ohh i saw

[tender river]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1349755103040503868.png?size=160&name=AtorinConfused

[sage crag]

i remember even

mitxela video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHoGIvOi-jw

[tender river]

pretty

[sage crag]

[tender river]

battery life

[opaque sigil]

just embed a small atomic battery, how bad could it be

[tender river]

earring constraining form factor

maybe IEM with rgb lighting better option

just need usb c for power

[quick condor]

Just do what pixmob does. Single flash Microcontroller and rf antenna

[olive sable]

if only

work untill get more work from higher ups

[tender river]

pixmob too heavy for earring

[quick condor]

Battery is the primary weight

[tender river]

ye

[tender river]

at earring scale you can only afford like couple hours max if you want the led to stay on

probably less

[quick condor]

Yah true but for an event that's fine

[rigid wolf]

apple

wait wrong chat

my bad

[tender river]

i should make apple pie

[quick condor]

Reminds me I need to start working on wiring up some leds into a jacket that are controlled by a pixmob board for an event next year

[rigid wolf]

das cool

I never had an apple pie

I only had

pie

[quick condor]

Make myself light up based on the stadium controller

[olive sable]

just dont put the battery in the earrings. get centralized battery you charge at night.
then run the cables under the synthetic skin.
While we're at it we can make some small upgrades to the weak human physique

[tender river]

make it easy

[rigid wolf]

wha

wdym

[tender river]

apple pie

make

[rigid wolf]

no

me no make

[olive sable]

make

[tender river]

ok

[quick condor]

Just use very high power rf power. No long term side effects of a high power 20mhz signal near your head

[tender river]

[rigid wolf]

all I can do is make noodles and put fries and chicken nuggies in airfryer

[olive sable]

jsut use small thermonuclear reactor

[tender river]

never too late to learn

[olive sable]

legit apple pie is not even that hard

and thats coming from me

[tender river]

theres a reason its one of the most popular pies across the world

[rigid wolf]

nah imma just stick to

noodles

and

fries and chicken nuggies

[tender river]

your loss

[olive sable]

working at mcdonalds and putting the fries in the bag has been more difficult

ngl

[rigid wolf]

[olive sable]

thats jsut mean

someone has to work at mcdonalds

you dont deserve the food

[opaque sigil]

there are much much worse places to work at

[olive sable]

well ye ofcourse

garbage collectors have it a lot worse

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

garbage collector have to work in

java

MONKA

[tender river]

garbage collector have to work in

haskell

[sage crag]

garbage collector have to work in

leaf code

[tender river]

:minsmig:

[sage crag]

oh

gc

[olive sable]

they have to work in a volvo garbage truck

[sage crag]

pronounce

jee see

[olive sable]

imagine english

[sage crag]

ElvynSerius

i dont need to imagine english

unlike sam's stupid fake language

[olive sable]

you jsut cant handle we pronounce things better

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

except for more than half of the places having weird dialects

including my own

[tender river]

run garbage collector -> program gone

[olive sable]

i wish the garbage collector would clean my room

[sage crag]

gc have decide

that its execution environment was mistake

llm gc

[olive sable]

[tender river]

me not ask gc opinion

[olive sable]

gc give opinion anyways

never waited for ask

[tender river]

wrrwr

[tender river]

good thing all you need to know to pronounce japanese is what kana the words consist of

[sage crag]

[tender river]

english really is one big exception though

each word pronounced however it feel like

[sage crag]

you should see

[keen raft]

hello sorry to appear out of nowhere but what are yall's opinions on spiking neural networks :) thx for answering

[sage crag]

"lay" and "laid" both past tense (different words)

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

its because lay <- to recline (past tense)
laid <- to put down (past tense)

but laid present tense is "lay"

and "lay" present tense is "lie"

[olive sable]

no comment

[obsidian mantle]

lie and die are weird words

[opaque sigil]

every time i have to think about whether it's "lay" or "lie" and I hate it

[obsidian mantle]

dying can derive from die or dye

[opaque sigil]

that one is easy to decide based on context at least

[tender river]

usually spelt dyeing though

[sage crag]

spelt spelled

[obsidian mantle]

dyeing?

[olive sable]

im glad i dont care at all and confidently use the wrong one

[sage crag]

yes

[sage crag]

british english prefer spelt

american prefer spelled

spelt also a kind of grain

[obsidian mantle]

spelt

first time i see it

[sage crag]

yes, i agree with americans here

[obsidian mantle]

maybe its illusion and i filtered it

[sage crag]

spelt is poor

[tender river]

poor spelt

[olive sable]

i would like to add that learning english from the internet has made me use both uk and us version of words and its an absolute mess

[true hemlock]

i have some chances with hunting some niche hardware rn

went to china

[sage crag]

no one care

[obsidian mantle]

i have to choose "color" and "colour" every time

[olive sable]

i care

[sage crag]

use whatever

not like me not understand american english

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

barely dialect

[olive sable]

fair enough

[tender river]

english (traditional)
english (simplified)

[sage crag]

take it back

[olive sable]

the problem is that the simplified is even more inconsistent i think

[tender river]

[sage crag]

scots is a better "dialect" than american english anyway

[sage crag]

within the scope of its simplification its more simple

but overall it made some mess

[sage crag]

its an actual language, not correct to call it a dialect

but its similar enough to english

[tender river]

roughly as close to english as ukrainian to russian

[true hemlock]

blyat

[obsidian mantle]

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

i have no comments as i do not know any languages fluently

[true hemlock]

[sage crag]

include english

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wQrQN_krqU

[true hemlock]

a full month blending in with russian swarm and im already spamming blyat in vc

[tender river]

maybe closer since scots being a dialect is debated

[obsidian mantle]

what russian swarm is there a russian swarm somewhere

[tender river]

me saw long time ago

[sage crag]

probably debated more due to english centrism in uk politic

[olive sable]

Flemish is considered a dialect of dutch, but its closer to afrikaans than standard dutch

[sage crag]

me sent long time ago smogfrog

[true hemlock]

need to gate keep though

i do not know how tf i ended up there

[olive sable]

you've sent it twice already iirc

[obsidian mantle]

first time i hear about it

[sage crag]

sam van "dyslexia" maele

[olive sable]

ignore spelling mistake

[tender river]

theres a vk group i guess you could start from there me no idea either

[sage crag]

what you think of people who say "english 3 languages in trench coat"

[tender river]

english one language eager to loan words

[sage crag]

me find it annoying, as if all modern language not diverged and fusion of historical language

[tender river]

it just loan word from other european language so can borrow as is which sound same

[olive sable]

i can see it tbh. its like if dutch and german combined and stole some french

[sage crag]

bad

[olive sable]

from my experience learning it at least

[tender river]

japanese has so many words borrowed from english nowadays

me not think it bad though not care about language purity languages meant to evolve

[opaque sigil]

half the words people use in german nowadays are english too

[sage crag]

english is germanic language that diverged, and have vocab from other european language, mostly french due to invasion

[opaque sigil]

ok maybe not half but you get the idea

[olive sable]

ye

but thats jsut how language works

people say "its like x but y" becuase it has similair roots

[obsidian mantle]

i should not have come there

[sage crag]

Of hem that written ous tofore
The bokes duelle, and we therfore
Ben tawht of that was write tho:
Forthi good is that we also
In oure tyme among ous hiere
Do wryte of newe som matiere,
Essampled of these olde wyse
So that it myhte in such a wyse,

english from 1390

[olive sable]

the netherlands and the uk are close enough to the point it developed languages in pretty similair direction

[tender river]

no idea would be a lie i guess but close to 0

[tender river]

[olive sable]

ok ye this is pretty readable to me becuase its pretty close to my dialect

"tefore"

[sage crag]

Of them that wrote us before
The books dwell, and we therefore
Been taught of that was written then:
For it is good that we also
In our time among us here
Do write some new matter,
Exampled by these old ways
So that it might in such a way,

direct translation

apparently old english had a feminine gender as well

i suppose that comes from german

or proto-german

[tender river]

grammatical genders annoying

[sage crag]

we dropped that at some point, wonder why

[opaque sigil]

probably cause it's stupid and annoying

[olive sable]

true

[sage crag]

i wonder if there are any cases of non-neuter gender in modern english

[tender river]

we used to have two plural forms in russian for each gender but only one remains

[obsidian mantle]

at least its straightforward

and not subtle like in japanese

maybe its not that hard to feel if you learn it good enough

[olive sable]

we dont have separate words per gender in dutch. only gendered and neuter

[sage crag]

i do want to note that it would be significantly harder for you to actually read a middle english text though

[tender river]

another weird part is english merge singular and plural you not sure if german do that

[olive sable]

i dont think so?

[sage crag]

oh this is because of you is a recent invention

or more accurately, the merger is a recent invention

[tender river]

coincidentally in russian plural you is used for a single person in formal speech as form of respect

[opaque sigil]

same here

[olive sable]

im bad at reading in general
nevermind these squiglys

[opaque sigil]

(i hate it)

[sage crag]

apparently old english had singular, dual, and plural "you"

and middle english in the 12th century had singular and plural

[opaque sigil]

actually technically it's different

[sage crag]

by the 17th century the singular you was merged

[opaque sigil]

it's not plural you, it's just the equivalent of "they"

[sage crag]

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=thee

[olive sable]

we have "jij/je" singular, and "jullie" plural.
but except when you want to address formally its "u" singular and "u" plural too

[obsidian mantle]

is it thou

in english

thats obsolete

[tender river]

In Middle English, plural forms (see you) began to be used in all cases, at first as a sign of respect to superiors (a parent, king, victor, God, Christ, the Virgin), also in direct address by God; then as a courtesy to a social equal (also a spouse, lover).

[olive sable]

idk why, its stupid but you gotta show your superiors resepct i guess

[tender river]

so its just plural you as form of respect taken to its conclusion

[olive sable]

ohhh

[sage crag]

By 17c. the singular forms had come to represent familiarity and lack of status

ye

[olive sable]

i guess its related to the "u" we use in dutch

[sage crag]

thee <- weirdo i dont know you

[olive sable]

english just dropped the non-formal ones

[sage crag]

to my knowledge it was something like

thee -> [dead]
thou -> you

[olive sable]

i hate how thou is not pronounced the same as you

[quick condor]

Now I just need to go to the liquor store and I'll be set to keep working on my project

[tender river]

Widespread use of French in England after 12c. gave English you the same association as French vous, and it began to drive out singular nominative thou, first as a sign of respect (similar to the "royal we") when addressing superiors, then equals and strangers, and ultimately (by c. 1575) becoming the general form of address.

also respect

respect the single driving force behind simplification of english

[olive sable]

the french

[sage crag]

the "thou" pronounciation of modern english is entirely made up

[olive sable]

oh

damn

so pronounced "thoo"?

[sage crag]

/θuː/

[olive sable]

uh

what the fuck is that

[sage crag]

https://ipa-reader.com/

[tender river]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1349755103040503868.png?size=160&name=AtorinConfused

how sam not know ipa

[olive sable]

i like how the IPA u is just the dutch u. means we're correct

[sage crag]

and later /ðuː/

[obsidian mantle]

i remember learning that
wasnt useful since then

[opaque sigil]

sounds pretty much exactly like "du" which is you in german, makes sense i guess

[sage crag]

[quick condor]

Don't get me started on the French... I have to constantly deal with French bleed with mistral

[olive sable]

same thing with a

[opaque sigil]

almost as if they all have the same common ancestor

[olive sable]

incredible

[obsidian mantle]

50 a/e variations

[sage crag]

rrr

[olive sable]

i dont even care about the dutch language that much tbh but seeing how it gets a reaction form konii is funny to me

[novel flare]

Hi

[olive sable]

hi

bro has leet speak in his profile description

[sage crag]

i miss 100

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

Nostalgic

[stray atlas]

wassup

[olive sable]

hi

[stray atlas]

what arre yall talkin about

[olive sable]

earrings and languages i guess

[lime stag]

Guys what are your preferred language to do site

[olive sable]

python

[silent cloak]

TypeScript I suppose

[opaque sigil]

python has site-packages

[olive sable]

python interpreter in the wasm

[silent cloak]

Thats crazy

[amber fractal]

static mostly, otherwise JS

[lime stag]

You're me

[amber fractal]

last site I did had a jank md to html converter

that was just in the python backend tho

[lime stag]

I'm thinking of starting bussines on my own Tbh in market where job is hard to find I want to create opurtinity for myself

[amber fractal]

-# the FAQ does not count, it was an image when I was working on it

[olive sable]

got hardware decode to work again
and its less jank cuz the firefox settings are hard-coded into the nix config file

i am enjoying this nixos thing

[amber fractal]

another one bites the dust

[silent cloak]

Ill try it on a vm sometime

Once i free up a ton of storage

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

the FS is pretty slow on vms in my experience for whatever reason

I'm probably not setting up vms correctly then

[olive sable]

people act like there are a lot of differences between linux distros, but with hyprland on top they all look the same

so far nixos has been exactly like cachy but better

[severe path]

They all use GNU coreutils

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

sure

idk what that means

[rigid snow]

who cares
nix opinion now

[amber fractal]

hello ubuntu

[severe path]

Its sorta like comparing an apple, with a slightly oranger apple.

[olive sable]

nix sounds like "niks" which is dutch for nothin

[amber fractal]

[severe path]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Core_Utilities

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/nixos-nix-install-nixos-jetstream-sam-i-should-install-nixos-gif-15494073126937262681

[amber fractal]

one day we will convert every active chatter to NixOS

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/nix-nixos-rebuild-switch-nixos-rebuild-gif-17535418161259232588

[opaque sigil]

[severe path]

Almost all Linux distros use coreutils.

Although they are creating a Rust version, which is different. The BSDs have their own version, which comes with their kernel, hence the BSDs are operating systems.

I hope you don't mind my (unwelcome) infodump.

[olive sable]

not needing to reboot after changing the config has been such a
but then i realized i literally just installed blender so of course i didn't need to fucking reboot the whole ass pc

[opaque sigil]

i'd still recommend rebooting when you update anything that touches the linux kernel or systemd

[olive sable]

feels cool tho

[opaque sigil]

or just apply the config at boot time in that case

[olive sable]

had to reboot fro vaapi

[nocturne olive]

Now my stuff is just messing with me
My network keeps cutting out with the only way to recover being turn it off and on again from the GUI so I can't even automate it with a bash script

[amber fractal]

A more important thing to give context to those not deep in the rabbit hole, these are the common shell commands you use like cd ls echo etc

[opaque sigil]

yeah graphics driver stuff is another one

[olive sable]

oh

i see

[nocturne olive]

Does someone happen to know how I could restart my network from the terminal the same way as the GUI on Linux Mint? I couldn't find anything useful on Google

[olive sable]

i need to clean up my config files now tho. it became a bit messy after a while

[opaque sigil]

one really nice thing about nix is that it's super lazy so you can just redefine the same thing in several files and it'll merge them

makes splitting very nice

[olive sable]

but

like

which one is applied then?

[amber fractal]

you'll get warned

[opaque sigil]

depends, some things have different priority levels

arrays will generally just be merged

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

mk.default mk.force my beloved

[opaque sigil]

if you set it in multiple places without allowing overwriting witht the same priority it'll fail to build and complain

[amber fractal]

The real fun starts when you decide to start home manager and you have to pick one of the many ways to combine them both.

[olive sable]

i like how the pre-generated config has a commented out line to disable the firewall on your pc.
im sure that is a great idea

[amber fractal]

I do not recommend my apporach

[tender river]

not directly related to laziness

[opaque sigil]

thankfully there's a simple solution to this

[tender river]

self reference is though

[opaque sigil]

[amber fractal]

surely I didn't make both nixos and hm reference the same file

[opaque sigil]

you can do that?

[amber fractal]

Omega cursed method but I did it somehow

[olive sable]

ssh is the thing i use to connect to my 3d printer. so why is there a daemon for it here? can i remove that?

[tender river]

wrrr

[opaque sigil]

you mean sshd?

[olive sable]

services.openssh.enable

is this to connect to the pc?

cuz i dont want that

[opaque sigil]

that's for the server i think yeah

just add the openssh package

[amber fractal]

that is server yeah

[olive sable]

no

i dont

want

[severe path]

Just keep it disabled

[opaque sigil]

there's also programs.ssh for the client

[severe path]

systemctl disable sshd.service

or something...

[olive sable]

no

im gonna completely remove it from the config

i only want client

[tender river]

nop wont work on nix

[olive sable]

services.openssh.enable = false; or smthn

or just remove the entire line

[opaque sigil]

just remove it, it should be false by default

[severe path]

What init system does NixOS use?

[tender river]

systemd

[opaque sigil]

read-only filesystem

[tender river]

not really root is rw

but /etc/systemd/system is indeed a symlink to a read-only path

[opaque sigil]

that's what i meeeeeant

[tender river]

and if it wasnt that wouldnt really fix anything

any manual changes are one rebuild away from disappearing

or reinstall if its new files

[olive sable]

if adding packages to the config downloads them, does removing them delete them?

[tender river]

no

gc if you want to delete unused stuff

[olive sable]

[tender river]

nix-collect-garbage -d

[amber fractal]

This cursed method to keep both in the same config file, kept simplish to get the point across

In flake.nix

hyper-nixos.dev = "Nixos";
hyper-home.dev = "Home";

nixosConfigurations."IgglyFramework" = hyprland.inputs.nixpkgs.lib.nixosSystem {
      specialArgs = {hyper = hyper-nixos;};
      modules = [./Iggly/Framework];
      ...
}
homeConfigurations."iggly@IgglyFramework" = home-manager.lib.homeManagerConfiguration {
      extraSpecialArgs = {hyper = hyper-home;};
      modules = [./Iggly/Framework];
      ...
}

In default.nix for IgglyFramework

{ config, pkgs, lib, ... }:
let
cond_imports = if (hyper.dev == "Nixos") then [./hardware-configuration.nix]
else if (hyper.dev == "Home") then []
else [];
in
{
  imports = [] ++ cond_imports;

  config = if (hyper.dev == "Nixos") then {
     ...
  } else if (hyper.dev == "Home") then {
     ...
  ] else {};
}

[olive sable]

what if its used in a previous system verison file thing?
does it re-download it when i boot from that file or what happens?

[tender river]

generations are gc roots

anything from a reachable generation wont be gc'd

[sage crag]

new chatter

[amber fractal]

It can probably be done better, it was more cursed than this orginally

[opaque sigil]

just use different files inside the same directory

[sage crag]

leadchay

[olive sable]

so i need to delete all generations using that app to delete the app?

[tender river]

the -d flag to nix-collect-garbage -d deletes old generations tho

[sage crag]

made of lead