programming

[sage crag]

i cant read

sory

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

if miyagi sing this song, it almost in character

[rigid snow]

why caption that

[sage crag]

i think it admirable

what if audience is near-deaf but want to enjoy music anyway

[rigid snow]

ye they can it's called

turning the volume up

[sage crag]

smolevilcreature

[rigid snow]

until either you hear or feel it depending on how deaf you are

just realized headphones don't work for completely deaf people

[sage crag]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=qGM33G_Kd_I

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=KSfTEtrM1AU
more edgy music

[severe path]

What new GPT wrapper should I make?

Also, should I ask a ChatGPT wrapper this question, instead of asking #programming ?

[sage crag]

yes all slop related questions are best contained in the slop bubble

[severe path]

Or should I just make another ChatGPT wrapper to ask the ChatGPT wrapper to ask the question?

[severe path]

Oh

[sage crag]

example of non-slop question:

• how do i make cupcakes?

example of slop question:

• i made chatgpt sentient, how can i publish my research?

please self identify and appropriately ask the correct channel

[tender river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5tT4OmlV3A

[sage crag]

58 minute

wrr

[tender river]

it album

[sage crag]

i can see that

i cant read though

[tender river]

me forgot pyanodon's mods inserter speed

need look up

[sage crag]

gibberish

[tender river]

too lazy to look up me build ingame inserter speed calculator instead

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=A7N_L7126Pk
pretty art

[rigid snow]

good album

(i already listen)

[tender river]

look like 0.8/s

[rigid snow]

album

[sage crag]

neuro3 album and its art

[tender river]

most of my current music taste not something you'd find on streaming platforms

[rigid snow]

that what soundcloud for

[tender river]

true!

pyanodon make you build this for 0.4 belts of copper plates

at least ore consumption only 2 belts

me forgot have construction bots

not played in long time

run out of copper for formaldehyde

not run out but

not enough

[opaque sigil]

looks like i wasted a day trying to figure out what broke clangd just for it to turn out that clang simply doesn't support cuda 13, good to know i guess

[tender river]

wdym clangd doesnt support cuda 13

how does that even work

does cuda ship their own compiler?

[opaque sigil]

nvcc is based on clang

i'm not sure what exactly is the problem but there is a problem which in turn breaks clangd too

[tender river]

based on

nvidia should ship clangd too then

[tender river]

do you know about the hobbit shire? (russian band)

[opaque sigil]

most of the useful code is in llvm i'd imagine since they have their nvptx backend, just need a wrapper to handle the separate compilation of gpu code etc conveniently

[rigid snow]

i not know about russian music anything except for rappers (studio gangsters)

[tender river]

i listened to them a lot in school

obvious but most songs lotr inspired

[rigid snow]

phantasy rock ye 0 chance

[tender river]

@sage crag useless fact that band exist now you know

[sage crag]

ok

[olive sable]

finished interstellar

they used a lot of bass in the mastering

had to actually lower the subwoofer from +10dB

[sick owl]

It would seem our cynicism was misplaced https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/swen-vincke-says-the-price-of-ram-and-ssds-means-larian-will-be-doing-lots-of-optimisation-in-divinitys-early-access-that-we-didnt-necessarily-want-to-do-at-that-point-in-time/

[silent cloak]

the best part of the ram shortage is that devs will have to give a shit again

and kill off Unreal Engine

[olive sable]

deep research

its trying to play osu

[opaque sigil]

blocked

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

Neuro is controlling it

[amber fractal]

let them play

they'll suck but it'd be funny

[jagged turtle]

OM

[jagged turtle]

+NF

[sick owl]

One single circle clicked

[amber fractal]

I guess the .npy stays for now, I'm actually working on neurons somehow.

if I don't die in the dev process, then I actually want to do a demo. But that requires not dying

One mistake I'm not making this time is lack of base class.

[amber fractal]

Why am I even spending so much time on type hints? My main editor doesn't use them.

[pallid spear]

i want to bind my right windows key to f21 on linux and for some reason key_f21 is not the same as f21.
it doesn't need to be f21 specifically. any key not on most keyboards will do.

[amber fractal]

I want to say the keycode is F21?

let me check rq

looks like it

[pallid spear]

input remapper does not like it

[amber fractal]

classic

[pallid spear]

im somewhat new to linux so i might be doing something wrong

[amber fractal]

I ended up doing something more stupid in the past

wrote a xkb for my own usecase

let me sanity check rq, I want to see if it works

minecraft was a bad game to test with

I just opted to go nucular and modifiy a keyboard layout for what I was looking for

[pallid spear]

i don't know what to do with that :P but i might do the same

but if you know of any other key that is unused

[amber fractal]

xkb has a lack of docs, man I spent so much time getting a file to exist

[pallid spear]

sounds rough

[amber fractal]

let me get something 90% of the way to yours

[pallid spear]

well the reason i want a special key is i'm creating a game and want a secret key to use

[amber fractal]

// the name of `nameoflayout` is the filename
xkb_symbols "basic" {
    // american, use your base
    include "us"
    include "nameoflayout(begone_key)"
};

//
xkb_symbols "begone_key" {
    
    replace key key <RWIN> { [ F21 ] };
    // clear the Super modifier part of Super keys
    // there is a 50% chance this works :shrug:
    clear Mod4
    // readd Left Super
    modifier_map Mod4 { <LWIN> };
};

This should be close enough, minus the exact keycodes

[pallid spear]

i don't know where this goes. i'm new to linux

[amber fractal]

That is a good question, I was just able to source it without needing to actually figure out the correct location

[pallid spear]

oh lol

[amber fractal]

fricking Nix, I can't use the traditonal location

[pallid spear]

well i might use some other key that works for me

[amber fractal]

~/.xkb/symbols/my_layout is what the AI says, it seems correct

[pallid spear]

do you have a "menu" key on your keyboard?

[amber fractal]

either that or yeet it /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols as where the other ones live

[amber fractal]

My issue is that I've done my testing on a laptop

let me see if I can hunt down the defenition of the super keys so I can at least complete the example

I really need to ask @fast pagoda for the chatgpt character prompt again, my version is clearly high

[pallid spear]

what does this last part do?

[amber fractal]

How much detail do you want, I have two versions of the explaination

[pallid spear]

what is mod4, why do i need to map a modifier?

[amber fractal]

Names are dealt with, nice

[amber fractal]

Mod4 is the Window modifier (Some call it Super over on Linux), we are clearing it and readding the left one.

[pallid spear]

do i need to do that?

[amber fractal]

If you skip the deletion of the modifier, then you can still do Win + key with your remapped F21 key

[pallid spear]

i see...

[amber fractal]

Think of the name of the key and the modifier as seperate

like there is a left and right shift, you can bind each key in games if it supports it; but both act as a shift key

I hope that makes sense

[pallid spear]

yea like on windows, win + L would lock the screen and it would work with winr too and if i don't delete the last part, when i press "f21" + L it would do the same still.

[amber fractal]

That is entirely correct

[pallid spear]

ok how do i use it? reboot? select it in settings?

[amber fractal]

We'll have to figure it out

[amber fractal]

let's try this one first. So that'd just be placing the file, naming it the name without file extension and reboot to refresh, we hope it shows up in keyboard options.

just make sure the name you pick matches the name inside the file itself

-# because I am using vesktop now... I can acutally use a .XCompose file for emotes

[pallid spear]

i don't see it. its 5am i gotta go to sleep. thanks for trying to help!

[amber fractal]

All good, you'll have to make the file path yourself tho.

have a good rest

[amber fractal]

It still doesn't fricking work

It literally works in the terminal but not in discord

[fast pagoda]

I messaged you Mr iggles

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

how is the arg arging

[amber fractal]

[opaque sigil]

can we remove the alignment requirements on vector instructions pls

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

horendously

[olive sable]

sure

ill allow it

[opaque sigil]

I spent like 3 hours trying to implement overlapping buckets in my data structure just to realise there is no overlap with 256-bit loads due to alignment

[olive sable]

i dont get what you mean by overlap?

[opaque sigil]

Think of a sliding window

[olive sable]

like a cutting vectors from a long list?

cant you just use indices?

[amber fractal]

yesn't

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

but why?

[amber fractal]

it's like doing list[1:3] into list[2:4], the data is already there so just hand it over

[opaque sigil]

Oh wait I misunderstood

This is done for optimisation is all that matters

It helps but needs a lot of overlap

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

Ideally each index would be the start of a new one

[olive sable]

i know i can jsut change the offset for reading the next vert in vulkan

but i doubt you're usign vulkan

[opaque sigil]

I'm making something very similar to a hash table

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

No vulkan just (good) old cuda c++

[olive sable]

cuda c++ good

[opaque sigil]

Unfortunately it's the least shitty option

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

Anyways, big fan of Blackwell 256-bit loads
Just make it not require 32B alignment pls

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

please criticize my/Copilot's code

I really hate it

but I can't tell why

[fast pagoda]

fuckin hell $20k is that still fake data

oh it is

[jagged turtle]

unfortunately

[amber fractal]

no gamba

[jagged turtle]

wdym no gamba

[amber fractal]

the money was never gambaed for stocks

I came back here because of the only time I've seen AI point out a very useful feature I'm 100% using in the NN repo

[quick condor]

Well I got the Discord bot api working for my model so I can now cry as I watch it have an aneurysm when I pull it into a call with friends

[amber fractal]

Apparently numpy dtypes are composable

I was going to dedicate an entire axis to this, but if I can just do it in the dtype then sure

time to create u128 rq

u128 is now real

still limited to byte alignment on the smaller end, but you win some and you lose others

not a real u128, but it works for exactly my case of "I need a larger than 64 bit field"

brother, why the frick not?

[olive sable]

if you cant make your cpu faster, may as well give you 16 of them to do things in parallel.
that's how the computer can run minecraft bedrock edition so smoothly, because eventho its the inferior version, it being multi-threaded proves that no program should ever be written in java

[amber fractal]

I remeber this

and it is so damn wrong

java at least works, bedrock does not

[olive sable]

bedrock used to work fine

its like an inverse bell curve

[amber fractal]

[amber fractal]

let me set the names to a range, do it

I want to be able to have types like uint4x32

I can generate the types, that is not the issue. I just don't want to convert numbers into strings for fetching.

considering how numpy's array notation works I can see why, but I just don't want to.

-# sooner or later I'm just going to be writing staight C in python, mark my words

[jagged turtle]

the what repo

nn has a repo??

[amber fractal]

not #neurotic-neurons

just the neural net thing I work on

[jagged turtle]

ah

i was gonna say that nn does need a repo to showcase their neurons

[amber fractal]

overall, this is a good change for me. It's going to be more painful sure, but it'll be fun to make.

I guess I will actually have to have rock solid broadcasting rules now

I'll also need some very special types, oh boy this is going to be a massive scope increase from the previous version.

I guess it is a v3, so it had to be insane.

[tight tinsel]

i got a j*b woo

[glad path]

no need to censor job

good for you

[cobalt sigil]

good

[quick condor]

Ewww you traded having a life for the money you need to have a life /s

[covert bane]

One of my friends (recass) made this amazingly fast, transparent and auditable AI architecture: https://github.com/recassity/cassity-model

And she said, she thinks its scales via CPU power. Cause it does barely any math, it just a recursive system. Inspired by how the human brain neuron works. I wanna see someone experienced in this field, review and rate the architecture for her.

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

your friend look like this?

[covert bane]

Wdym my friend?

[covert bane]

I'm confused.

[sage crag]

sorry i meant like this

[covert bane]

Wa-? She's a person.

[covert bane]

What did you even mean

[nocturne olive]

Transformers

LLM

[covert bane]

Oh

[sage crag]

[covert bane]

On the topic of this. Anyone's gonna test this out?

[sage crag]

its gibberish

[covert bane]

What's gibberish, the repository?

[sage crag]

the code of this

is incoherent

[covert bane]

Now that I've read it. At first glance, it kinda is...

[sage crag]

its also written in pure python, no gpu acceleration, no simd

[covert bane]

Theres no need to be

[sage crag]

[covert bane]

Theres barely any math operations

[sage crag]

yes, that's bad

math operations = fast

everything else = slower

[covert bane]

Its lile a recursive linking tree

[sage crag]

yes i saw the linked list, im not sure what linked lists have to do with machine learning

[covert bane]

Have you like, tried python -m cassity on it, and said hi?

[covert bane]

Idk either, its not used anywhere

[sage crag]

im not running llm generated code but someone else can feel free to

[covert bane]

https://github.com/recassity/cassity-model/blob/main/cassity/src/cassity.py
This is the main file that has most of the main logic

[sage crag]

it reads as clearly vibe coded, i dont know what to say

[covert bane]

Mmphm

Yes

[covert bane]

Could try codespaces, no? Disposable pc

[sage crag]

its simply not worth my time

[covert bane]

Its okay!

[sage crag]

not that my time is particularly valuable

[covert bane]

It isnt?

[sage crag]

no

@true hemlock for your reference later, i feel like you might get a kick out of it

[covert bane]

Did u mean, I will get kicked?

[sage crag]

no of course not

what kind of server do you think this is

[nocturne olive]

likes looking at people's so called "magical AI tech"

[noble zodiac]

the fricks given in here are scarce nowadays I see

[sage crag]

[young plover]

Does this count as a markov chain

[sage crag]

only so many times you can see the same crayon scribble on the wall before it stops being endearing and becomes infuriating

[young plover]

ancient technology

[sage crag]

[noble zodiac]

oh I do agree. Took longer than I expected tbh

[sage crag]

dismantling such code will never not be fun though

im tempted to give it a code review

might kill me though

[covert bane]

No idea

[young plover]

ok

[sage crag]

its neither markov, nor chain— not just novice code, but ai generated slop

StareAtYouNeuro

[covert bane]

Was this sentence AI generated?

The - thingy gave it away

Its not on normal keyboards

[sage crag]

no, i wrote it to look ai generated

i copied an em-dash off ddg

evilAYAYA

i can also just type long dash anyway: ー

[covert bane]

Oooh

Wait what

Oh

I didnt know it was avaliable on mobile keyboard

[sage crag]

im not using a mobile keyboard

[covert bane]

.

But the code works, no?

Even if its poorly written

[sage crag]

smolevilcreature

i'd warrant that it doesnt work in the way you think it does

[covert bane]

How does it work from your analysis?

[sage crag]

just a hunch

[lunar wagon]

On windows u can press Win+; to access a bunch of symbols includin this em dash
Iirc there's also some combination with alt key but I forgor which one it was, never use those

[sage crag]

i use linux

rare aurytis

[stone flint]

alt+0150 and alt+0151 for en and em dash respectively iirc

[lunar wagon]

Oh I almost forgor why I even opened this channel

Question, if an artificial intelligence uses diffusion model to generate audio content that was not in the dataset it was trained on, that's gen ai, right?

[sage crag]

iso linux keyboards you cna press Ctrl+Shift+U and then type 2014, and press enter

maybe works on ansi keyboards as well

[sage crag]

yes

[stone flint]

true, rare, me just lurk here usually. i only really chat in #gaming and nn rn

[lunar wagon]

From my knowledge it is but some person online is tryin to convince me it's not for some reason
Maybe I'm missin smth but I looked it up a lot and I just dont understand what could be wrong

[sage crag]

gen-ai refers to using any kind of model to generate content based on its training data

even if it doesnt spit out something that is in its dataset exactly, its still genai

[lunar wagon]

The AI in question is SynthV AI voicebanks that use deep learnin to create more realistic voices btw

[sage crag]

synthv isnt a diffusion model as far as im aware

@nocturne olive

[lunar wagon]

It uses Diffusion Probabilistic Models, accordin to the Dreamtonics website

[sage crag]

interesting

when we refer to diffusers we are typically referring to stable diffusion because its a colloquialism, but diffusers themselves are just a model architecture

it is generative still, by nature, though

whether or not that's bad should be down to the dataset (rights) and what it's used for

[lunar wagon]

Yea I just mentioned somewhere online that generative ai is not inherently bad and gave SynthV as an example, since it uses voices of people who gave the right to do so, plus it still requires a lot of effort to create smth. And some person is trying to tell me it's not gen ai. But like, technology used is gen ai.

[tender river]

gen ai isnt "bad" (in the sense that its pretty impressive and has so much effort put in from very smart people), what's bad is consequences of gen ai like people being deskilled or pushed out of jobs, internet being filled with generated garbage, etc

[sage crag]

ultimately

powerful tool

can be used to cause bad

without regulation

[tender river]

what also can be bad is how genai development proceeds, it's entirely possible all the effort spent on transformers/diffusion/associated datacenter construction could be spent more productively, but its just spent in most profitable way

[nocturne olive]

Diffusion can in fact, be used for singing voices

[sage crag]

i didnt say otherwise

that's a given, diffusion is a model architecture and not a specific purpose of model

[nocturne olive]

True

Reject image gen, return to SynthV

[nocturne olive]

There's also UTAU which is very cool

[jagged turtle]

what the hell is that

my ears have been pained ty

im going to have nightmares

(mostly by the spiky bits or whatever idk how to describe it)

[sage crag]

its not great

its hard to tell what she's even saying

smolevilcreature

cool though

[rigid snow]

have to process utau vocals a lot

compress compress compress

since the banks are made with unprocessed recordings and then the effect is even more amplified by how it slices recordings up

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

Some of the i sounds of Teto EN are indeed abit, weird

[nocturne olive]

Yeah that one's like completely unprocessed
Not to mention Teto English is inherently just like that for whatever reason

-# What I sent is a raw mixdown

[nocturne olive]

Teto's Japanese voice bank is much smoother though, likely because Japanese is a lot simpler phonetically

[rigid snow]

consonants are less harsh

is what i would guess

[nocturne olive]

Who knows, but it definitely works without much processing

[lunar wagon]

Apparently "nuh uh words are subjective"

[sage crag]

AtorinConfused

[nocturne olive]

What is this, people spreading lies on the internet? Surely that doesn't happen

[tough dove]

ASM is 3 times faster than C++ and 2 times faster than Rust.

[lunar wagon]

They said they studied this in uni
I imagine the explanation would be smth like "generative ai is ai that makes something new but you can just call whatever you want as such it doesn't really matter, end of the lecture"

[nocturne olive]

Weird stupidity

[lunar wagon]

That is, of course, if they even had actually studied that

[tough dove]

Perhaps an artist

"It's just a copy from multiple sources"

[rigid snow]

can this dumb ass discussion stay on twitter please

genai is not an insult it's a term that means the ai generates something it's that simple

[nocturne olive]

Yep it's literally just a term, don't argue about it
NeuroSynth could be considered generative but it's not hated because it's not the same kind of generative as SUNO but instead the same kind as SynthV

[lunar wagon]

yea i agree
but how do i explain smth to a person like this

[nocturne olive]

Pianos don't use machine learning, and that's why

[rigid snow]

bro's onto nothing 🔥

[lime stag]

imagine they argued back with some bs theory about human thought are the same as machine learning

[nocturne olive]

That'd mean the person is clearly an idiot and nothing to care about

[lime stag]

[tender river]

didnt you know

vocal folds are generative ai

[obsidian mantle]

What is generative ai? An ai that generates something?

[lime stag]

I love ai but i just don’t want ai that make vid or drawing i want ai that can fill the damn excel spreadsheet for me accurately

[obsidian mantle]

Then chatbots music and vocal ais are generative

Image generating too

[lime stag]

probably gonna make one myself

[midnight sigil]

generative AI I believe is just deeplearning models that are capable of generating contents as a black box

idk

[midnight sigil]

there are machine learning branches trying to simulate neurons tho, they're not entirely wrong, surely

[tender river]

generative ai = ai that generate output statistically likely to occur following specific input
piano = not ai
me think argue with this person waste of time

[midnight sigil]

is SynthV even AI

isn't it just voicebanks

wuh

[sage crag]

me consider gen-ai as ml model that designed to create synthesised content based on training data

[sage crag]

scroll up

[lime stag]

animal maybe but human eh the odds of achieving that is lesser then the odds of nuclear war happening we human barely understand our own brain and thoughts enough to replicate it.

[sage crag]

[midnight sigil]

oh DPM

[sage crag]

i have things to say that i shouldnt

[midnight sigil]

saw it

they were bringing in diffusion voice synthesis

cool

[tender river]

nuclear war tomorrow

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

DiffSinger in SynthV 🔥

[midnight sigil]

"shouldnt" in what sense

[umbral thorn]

[lunar wagon]

it has standard voicebanks that work by just combinin the samples recorded by a real person, but most voicebanks use ai trained on such samples instead
like
teto or gumi dont even have standard ones for example

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[lunar wagon]

[midnight sigil]

I see

[midnight sigil]

jam

[thorny marsh]

boom

[umbral thorn]

seem easier to do for jp becuz not as complex as en

[tender river]

[lunar wagon]

oh and same for Vocaloid6 btw it also uses ai
tho iirc it has very little voices so far, but like Miku should appear soon? it was supposed to be in 2025 but the year is about to end so prolly not

[umbral thorn]

[midnight sigil]

my brain was stucked in the UTAU age

[rigid snow]

ye ml sounds so much better is why

[umbral thorn]

more dynamic

[rigid snow]

worth dealing with the "all ai is bad" crowd

[tender river]

all ai is bad (piano)

[midnight sigil]

Artificial Incompetence

[tender river]

me not need ai to be incompetent

[rigid snow]

and you're one of the more competent people here

rename channel to #baking #incompentence

[umbral thorn]

do ai even exist

[thorny marsh]

but AI consumes too much water

[midnight sigil]

*incompetences

[thorny marsh]

[umbral thorn]

becuz

[lime stag]

help preventing sea rise

[sage crag]

#baking channel my domain

[thorny marsh]

true

[sage crag]

would be better if enub

[rigid snow]

non artificial intelligence also consumes water.. kill all intelligence then

[umbral thorn]

mlp technically not fit as "ai"

[sage crag]

a ✅
i ❌

smogfrog

[umbral thorn]

that

[midnight sigil]

nub

[lime stag]

league players would be spared (no shower gang)

[umbral thorn]

[nocturne olive]

Machine learning way better term

[tender river]

wrr it because field started with thing like chess ai

[rigid snow]

for what

[nocturne olive]

I don't call NeuroSynth AI, I just say machine learning vocal synthesis

[tender river]

marketing terminology anyway

[rigid snow]

they don’t mean the same thing

[nocturne olive]

Well classic ANN models

[midnight sigil]

baking with your CRT electron beams?

[lime stag]

make chess no longer fun tbh

[sage crag]

why would i do that

hav oven

[midnight sigil]

so you are a 1Hz CRT TV, with built-in oven

[tender river]

chess seem more competitive than ever though online chess help to but me think engine big part

[tender river]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1349755103040503868.png?size=160&name=AtorinConfused

[sage crag]

you use oven

so you are human, with built-in oven

correct?

[midnight sigil]

correct

[tender river]

maybe that happen in case of caibi ye

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

i think you hav wrong

[midnight sigil]

oven is an enclosed compartment, usually part of a cooker, for cooking and heating food. My stomach is an enclosed compartment, capable of cooking and heating food

[thorny marsh]

kill everyone NOTED

nobody spared

[sage crag]

which food

which food exactly

are you cooking at 37 celcius

MiyagiComfy

[midnight sigil]

yuh

[thorny marsh]

is stomach acid hot? neuroThink

[midnight sigil]

low heat

[sage crag]

no?

obviously

[thorny marsh]

so then how will it cook

[sage crag]

it wont

[lime stag]

acid can be hot with certain reactions

idk tho

[midnight sigil]

surely there will be exothermic reactions taking place

[sage crag]

i really hope you arent drinking strong base solution

[umbral thorn]

eat

[midnight sigil]

oh wait they actually does that

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-1425820994898369756

[umbral thorn]

crystal sodium hydroxide

[sage crag]

[lime stag]

hey if wiliamosman can drink motor oil and survive would it be fun to try

[thorny marsh]

complex words nowaying

[sage crag]

its not even close to as dangerous

[thorny marsh]

what does that possibly mean

[sage crag]

a strong base will simply melt your flesh

evilAYAYA

[umbral thorn]

wait no 1 mol solution stronger

becuz u need water for OH- ion

[midnight sigil]

get those neutralizations in my stomach!!!!

[sage crag]

depend on the molar concentration of the acid

[lime stag]

ouh

[umbral thorn]

[sage crag]

though, a liquid allow OH- ion to react easier

so elvy right

evilThink

[midnight sigil]

that's the oven overheating and burns itself through

it all make sense

[lime stag]

idk chemistry tho only chemistry ik is from nilered most of it the explosion and toxic stuff

[umbral thorn]

[sage crag]

apparently avg vol stomach acid 0.02 to 0.1 L, average pH 1.5 to 3.5, so worst case you have 0.1L 1.5pH, 0.00316 mol of NaOH to neutralise entire stomach acid

which like, less than 1g probably

after that it start melting you

[midnight sigil]

melting as in what type

[sage crag]

as in

you turn into a flesh puddle

[umbral thorn]

[lime stag]

turn into slime

[umbral thorn]

new tortura method dropped

[sage crag]

there's a reason why even if you drink tiny amount of sodium hydroxide drain cleaner (like 10% conc by volume), they have to pump your stomach contents out

its also incredibly unpleasant way to go apparently

[midnight sigil]

can HDPE contain such puddle

[sage crag]

reinvent previous

[midnight sigil]

[umbral thorn]

need to try on sam altman

[sage crag]

MONKA

[umbral thorn]

[lime stag]

ceo of closedai

[sage crag]

ye i dont think sodium hydroxide can corrode hdpe

so no matter what volume

should be fine

bit spooky

[lime stag]

aside from neuro i have been enjoying crackhead engineering and chemistry much lately

[sage crag]

bases are a lot more scary for organic compounds than acids

[ruby plank]

chemist here

i dont know the context

but indeed

[lime stag]

and that guy who have 100 battery

[ruby plank]

very unlikely

[sage crag]

thank you for input

context is

[midnight sigil]

Heisenberg taught me Chemistry

[ruby plank]

usually you need very agressive methods of digestion to degrade materials such as plastics

[sage crag]

not important

[ruby plank]

it's not something usually even HNO3 can solve

then again

idk the context

[sage crag]

context: melt person

[ruby plank]

please use enjoy chemicals with safety

[ruby plank]

HF

[sage crag]

with alkali specifically

[ruby plank]

you could try concentrated HF

you need special protections tho for HF

its the one they used on Breaking Bad

that scene is a tad overexagerrated tho

[umbral thorn]

[ruby plank]

but there are research studies in which they digest small animals, like mice, in HF

[midnight sigil]

this is the high seas, what is safety

[sage crag]

i did napkin math on sodium hydroxide and stomach acid

[umbral thorn]

fuming nitric acid

[ruby plank]

very unlikely

[sage crag]

animal studies are highly ethical and not scary

[ruby plank]

thats true btw

ive done research with animals

ethics committee are a pain

[sage crag]

[ruby plank]

ive moved on from that tho

working with animals takes too much effort schedule wise

[sage crag]

GoonumThink

[midnight sigil]

humans caring on research-use animals when they can't even handle themselves well

[sage crag]

maybe bad search "how much of XYZ acid to dissolve human"

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

animals have no way of consenting to being experimented on

so they best be careful

[lime stag]

tbh is hypocritical cause usa really like japanese research on life subjects post ww2 and its not even animal

[midnight sigil]

I heard they consented, lgtm

[sage crag]

ethics important for science

wrr

[umbral thorn]

na just go aperture science way

[sage crag]

AtorinConfused

mix human and mantis dna

[midnight sigil]

black mesa my beloved

[ruby plank]

you need to test medicines and treatments on someone

its not like they simply spawn

[lime stag]

ethics both make science advancement slower but also important.

[ruby plank]

now tho, theres a lot of research being done with AI to improve the process as a whole tho

that being said: medicines are still tested in humans

[nocturne olive]

Peak

[ruby plank]

it's called the clinical phase of a medicine

[lime stag]

can we make ai robot then inject them instead curious

[sage crag]

im well aware of this whole dynamic

[umbral thorn]

medical ML model actual useful

[nocturne olive]

True that's actually a useful application of ML

And that's cool

[ruby plank]

then, if, say, only n% show bad results to the medicine, they allow it to the open public

[midnight sigil]

do we need consents for testing protists

[sage crag]

one of the most noble uses of computer

[ruby plank]

sometimes they WILL collect medicines from the market, as the population react badly to it (sample sizing issues lmao)

[lime stag]

that with ai applications on making the disabled life easier imagine what good robo with awareness could bring to the blind

[nocturne olive]

Truly cool stuff

[umbral thorn]

skill issue gene diversity issue

[sage crag]

wrrr

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[midnight sigil]

:neuroTrue:

[lime stag]

instead human use it to make shitpost on tiktok

[ruby plank]

Yup. It's hard to get a representative sample size for a country size population in a clinical context.

Now, imagine that you have (in a big, well develop, doctorate level) study in a good day 50 animals

Sometimes not even that - it depends a lot on many factors.

[umbral thorn]

[ruby plank]

If any of you are concerned tho, research is (in any decent university) conducted under rigorous ethics rules, which are displayed in any crediable journal (usually at the bottom of the paper). Also, there are several "rules" (they not rules, but rather some aspects) that are taken into consideration when designing an animal experiment.

For example, you use mice for many medicine development tests for depression, anxiety and so on

Some utilise pigs.

(For other stuff tho)

[tender river]

animal cruelty is the norm outside science people just not like to think about

meat industry dairy industry

terrifying

[thorny marsh]

ping

[lime stag]

they can be ethical prove : country in sea region but choose not to

[umbral thorn]

smol

[nocturne olive]

True that's a pretty SMOL FPS

[thorny marsh]

is it supposed to run with a single core or something

[umbral thorn]

it just simple triangle

[nocturne olive]

It is working as intended

[thorny marsh]

true but i expecting this crumulent thing to be hit harder

lol

[nocturne olive]

It's usually CPU or RAM limited

[thorny marsh]

how the hell did caibi get 10K on an intel iris

what kind of drug is that thing using to be that fast

[quick condor]

My usage sometimes

[nocturne olive]

iGPUs can actually get great scores on this one since less latency

[tender river]

also https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/15248380211030243

[umbral thorn]

becuz u no need gpu

[lime stag]

are there mac ver of these

[umbral thorn]

u can even do llvm pipe

render on avx/sse

[nocturne olive]

Yeah software render

[thorny marsh]

there is no way that my chip is faster than an rtx 3060 LMAO

[umbral thorn]

again

u dont need gpu

ur cpu single core matter more for triangle

[nocturne olive]

Yeah triangle is a CPU benchmark more than GPU

[umbral thorn]

& u need to figure out how optimize

[nocturne olive]

And I guess RAM probably

[umbral thorn]

customize compile flag

[lime stag]

ram? what ram? where?

[nocturne olive]

RAM speed and latency and stuff is important for triangle benchmark

[umbral thorn]

[nocturne olive]

I wonder if my triangle score was more limited by CPU clock or RAM

Since I've since increased my CPU clock to 5.2GHz

[umbral thorn]

quack score so unbeatable

[nocturne olive]

True nobody's ever breating that

[thorny marsh]

that assumes quack will forever have bleeding edge hardware

[bright scaffold]

Help me please

I got hyprland and i don't have any window for streaming in discord

How to fix it?

[tender river]

xdg something something

desktop portal

[bright scaffold]

I installed

Do i need to relog or reboot?

[tender river]

me not use hyprland

hyprland wiki should say

[rough bloom]

ye rebooting won't hurt

can also try using the web version of discord

the desktop client is weird sometimes because Electron

[olive sable]

smoll

its indeed mostly cpu dependant afaik

cuz every gpu in existance that is newer than 20 years can easily do a single rasrter per frame

in nanoseconds

since software rendering is on the cpu itself there is way less latency, same ting with igpu

the only way dgpu get decent fps in this is by making them run behind the cpu without making the cpu wait

so thats why you can see some good scores on actual gpus

new guy workin at local fry place.
ordered burger. receive burger, no sauce, no bread, no vegetables, no anything besides the meat.
i have received the jsut the meat

[rigid snow]

was it cloudburst who ran the triangle on apple silicon

what was the score

[olive sable]

uhh

Leaderboard (MacOS)

Name FPS OS CPU GPU RAM

1. Vanyilla     6034     MacOS     M4 Pro     -
   

[rigid snow]

oh vani

[olive sable]

vani apparently ye

i dont rememebr these things from the top of my head

[rigid snow]

6k only

[olive sable]

macos only supports vulkan through a translation layer

cuz metal

[rigid snow]

ye

[rough bloom]

ye needs to use MoltenVK

[rigid snow]

but still

[rough bloom]

would still expect over 10k at least for an M4 Pro, yeah

even with some extra overhead

[olive sable]

it might be some issues witht he manual core assignment and stuff

[rigid snow]

actually ye probably

[olive sable]

some platforms use 0-1, 2-3, 3-4, ... for threads on the smae core

others do 0-n, 1-n+1, 2-n+2

i cant math, dont look at how many edits this has

[rough bloom]

the M4 Pro doesn't even do SMT AFAIK

[olive sable]

if so then it should be fine

unless it has mixed core types

iir cit should be using core 0 and 1

which benchmarked best on my pc

[rough bloom]

it does

10 big cores, 4 small cores

[olive sable]

If you try to use standard thread affinity methods (common on Linux/Windows), you will find that macOS does not support pthread_setaffinity_np for pinning a thread to a specific hardware index. Instead, the "index" or "type" of core your code uses is determined by the priority you assign to your thread

that might have been an issue actually

wait, im an idiot

#ifdef _WIN32
  ...
#elif __linux__
  ...
#endif

it doesnt even try to set thread priority on macos

if i want to actually test my code on macos i might need to buy a 2ndhand mac mini or something

[rigid snow]

if you develop stuff that targets apple devices having an apple device is generally a good idea yes

[silent cloak]

Sadly yes

[olive sable]

im not targetting specifically, i jsut want it to work there too

[silent cloak]

Which is why for the game dev work i used to do we only supported Windows and Linux

[olive sable]

idk if im willing to implement metal tho

[quick condor]

Finally

[rigid snow]

not targeting ios

[silent cloak]

We supported Android

[olive sable]

stream strarts

[silent cloak]

Ios would never allow our games

[olive sable]

bye

[trim valve]

second laptop acquired

nixos time

[amber fractal]

I over eeped

[olive sable]

the start was a new song

then now its vrchat

[tender river]

and new subathon mashup

[olive sable]

im watching shutter island with my sister in a bit tho so ill have to dip

[tender river]

nuro scp

[olive sable]

how is bro running on 4090s and still lagging?

[trim valve]

^

that's how

[amber fractal]

you say this as if you haven't bashed VRC yourself

[olive sable]

ye but it shouldnt be 5fps on a 4090

maybe 40

not 5

[amber fractal]

looks at world

[olive sable]

neuro does look like she has 6 digit poly count tbf

[rigid snow]

no chance

ok maybe a little bit

but i really doubt it

[amber fractal]

Very Poor

[olive sable]

100K seems likely to me

[rigid snow]

that's what i meant

i still doubt it's even 100k

[olive sable]

especially with hair it adds up quickly

i think its 80k-100k

[amber fractal]

we love hair collision

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

i do not remember reacting to this

[umbral thorn]

[olive sable]

auto-react or dementia

[rough bloom]

did you happen to maybe double tap on mobile

it's really easy to trigger accidentally

[rigid snow]

i have a different emote set

for that

[olive sable]

ah

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

so its dementia

[rough bloom]

then idk

[olive sable]

got it

[amber fractal]

time to figure out how the world affects lag

[umbral thorn]

[quick condor]

Welp thats at least working... Honestly Id have to say that it is both encouraging and disheartening watching vedal still struggling with Neuro doing the same things Ive been running into

[umbral thorn]

that assume he stop get new hardware

[visual pawn]

well the 4090 is neuro's computer and not his right

[rigid snow]

4090 in his as well

[quick condor]

Depends on resource scheduling. It may be able to handle everything but process scheduling is bad when dealing with multiple compute types

I hit that wall already, I bet he's aware of this though

Most likely guess is his VTT plus vr plus nvec is thrashing the GPU IO, not overloading the core/memory

[amber fractal]

Colored lighting on

[visual pawn]

so what you're saying is that he needs more computers with more GPUs clearly

[quick condor]

Yes and no, problem is he can offload VTT but it's honestly best running locally and serving the text externally. It would explain why neuro is having trouble understanding him sometimes, when VTT is overloaded it drops info

It's not super resource heavy locally but it is sensitive to utilization spikes (like gaming)

[visual pawn]

so it might've been fine in testing because he wasn't streaming so no nvenc?

[amber fractal]

I need to stop piping hardware deals to Quack's dms then

[quick condor]

Exactly, something like that could 100% push the setup beyond its capacity. Each task running simultaneously has to compete and while usually pretty good at handling it, nvidia's scheduler kinda breaks down if it's handed a bunch of tasks that aren't at least partially resource aware

[vapid pulsar]

Need to somehow get into LLMs more deeply oh well

The usual then

[visual pawn]

could switch to x264 if that's the case then, although that would require restarting the stream

[quick condor]

Would explain why he mentioned he might have an idea but he would have to restart the stream

[cosmic sphinx]

@sick owl wtf I keep getting impressed by nano banana pro
i took it to add an extra 'sub goal' from the screenshot I gave it with 4K setting, it actually upscaled the screenshot and added the sub goal flawlessly

[sick owl]

Crazy isn't it

I'm continually impressed by its capabilities

[warped narwhal]

wtf thats nuts

[cosmic sphinx]

it even got the number coloring in correct order

[warped narwhal]

and it managed to shift them all so that it is still centered

[warped narwhal]

also post that in #livestream-chat as it's pretty funny ngl

[cosmic sphinx]

obviously I did LULE #livestream-chat message

|| it got ignored basically ||

[amber fractal]

ooh report button exists now, I can't wait to not use it

[rigid snow]

lawlessness in this chat

[trim valve]

@ nixos users

[amber fractal]

I am not here

[trim valve]

is there anything specific I need to think about if I want to move an old crappy convertable laptop to nixos

its a foldable touchscreen thing

[amber fractal]

Nothing besides pray you don't need to compile drivers (I'm looking at you nvidia)
Standard linux issues exist ovbs

That's a problem you need to run into imo, not likely to happen

[rough bloom]

ye just need to look at drivers for the various devices it has I think

can check https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-hardware for if someone already looked at it

[opaque sigil]

[trim valve]

drivers should be fine, I think I can always remote build

[trim valve]

sadly not

its an acer aspire 3

pre-usbc 😔

[opaque sigil]

check the arch wiki

and then map whatever additions might be necessary to nixos options

[trim valve]

but not very

it has a usb c port slot on the motherboard

but no port

[molten oar]

@cinder trellis if NDI is an issue, and causses lag; you might seek to use srt;
have your Neuro obs record to srt your pc as sender, and on your stream pc have an srt source. Important is that the sender side records to srt and not using streaming to. That will make the latency near 2 second or less.
so for sender (unde record to url) : srt://your-server-ip:port
on receiver side as vlc source : srt://your-ip:port?mode=listener
make sure the listener is active before you start recording.

[olive sable]

vedal ping

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

the advice seems genuine at least

[tender river]

https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/activation-oracles/

We train LLMs to accept LLM neural activations as inputs and answer arbitrary questions about them in natural language. These Activation Oracles generalize far beyond their training distribution, for example uncovering misalignment or secret knowledge introduced via fine-tuning. Activation Oracles can be improved simply by scaling training data quantity and diversity.

[amber fractal]

Chain of Thought in a diffrent flavor

[olive sable]

portofolio

[amber fractal]

bonus money

[olive sable]

where was that github repo?

[amber fractal]

@jagged turtle getting replaced

[olive sable]

damn

ved has his own website now

https://portfolio.neurosama.com/

[amber fractal]

.

[nocturne olive]

I hate whatever this scuff is
Since some time after the intro of the subathon my stream started lagging unbearably and nothing makes it stop doing that, not a reboot even

[amber fractal]

help

i can't scroll

[nocturne olive]

I have literally no idea if that has anything to do with my PC crashing

[amber fractal]

alrighty desktop site works, the mobile just doesn't

[nocturne olive]

I pray that Vedal restarting the stream fixes it because nothing I'm throwing at it works

[rigid snow]

vedal definitely not a web dev

that's like the first thing you learn

mobile-first and responsiveness

[nocturne olive]

Probably AI-generated

[rigid snow]

oh yeah but it's not like the ai would implicitly decide to make it work on mobile

[olive sable]

im not able to buy fractional stocks on my bank's app

[amber fractal]

ktrain's repo at least works on mobile

[olive sable]

i wanted to buy the same stuff she's buying for funs

[amber fractal]

as it should be

[nocturne olive]

I hate this lag AaAaAaAa

I hope it's not a hardware or driver fault

I hope I didn't corrupt my system when it crashed and I force reset it

[quick condor]

Got my embedding model running on the A2, it's now fast enough for it to be a viable option for me to be able to split memory into active, short term and long term and reduce session context down enough to rearrange resources on the main server. Should boost performance significantly along with the existing optimizations I did today

[amber fractal]

Why am I spending so much dev effort on fricking typehints?

AI devs don't even use typehints, what is the point in this?

[nocturne olive]

I don't think it did AaaAAAAaaaaAaAAaAAaaaa

[olive sable]

windows update

[kind nimbus]

NixOS mentioned

[nocturne olive]

Anything above 480p feels unbearably laggy still and I don't know whyyyyyyyygh

[olive sable]

i have no issues with it

seems to be on your side

[olive sable]

nixos is mentioned almost daily lmao

[amber fractal]

let the jank begin

[kind nimbus]

Oh I just tuned in

[nocturne olive]

But like what is the issue? It literally just appeared and like after my PC crashed or something

The subathon intro worked flawlessly

[olive sable]

coincidence? i dont think so

check if hardware acceleration works

[nocturne olive]

I don't even know how

But like there's never been any issues

ALSO the issue effects Streamlink

Which has no GUI

And no encoding or decoding

[amber fractal]

I dislike this currently but I don't know how I can do anything else atm

[olive sable]

honeslty idk if twitch hardware acceleration even works on my pc. its at 0%

[nocturne olive]

I don't even really care about hardware accel I have plenty of CPU I just want my 1080p stream back

And I want my Streamlink to not lose frames

[olive sable]

idk what could be wrong

did you try restarting your pc?

[nocturne olive]

Yes

This feels a ton like some sort of Twitch connection issue but I don't know why it appeared specifically after the subathon intro

[trim valve]

is your GPU still being used or have you switched over to igpu

something could've done a driver update and become unhappy

[rough bloom]

I was about to yap about the CUDA VA-API backend but apparently we already talked about this ages ago
should work #programming message

[nocturne olive]

My iGPU never worked as an offload on Linux so I bought a second dedicated one instead as an offload for the VRAM heavy tasks instead, so everything happens on one GPU

[olive sable]

dec

[nocturne olive]

Well doesn't look like that's being used then

I have plenty of CPU power though and it's never been an issue before

This feels so much like a degradation in Twitch connection quality and I don't know why it appeared specifically when it did

I did not want scuff like this on subathon day, this is so annoying

I'm having such a bad day
Maybe I just need to sleep and hope it fixes itself

Hopefully it's just some stupidly timed maintenance of some kind and it goes away tomorrow

[jagged turtle]

tableslam

[amber fractal]

on the other hand, free CSS

[jagged turtle]

is his stuff almost entirely css

[amber fractal]

nah, the entire app seems vibecoded from other chatters

[jagged turtle]

it does look somewhat vibecoded

[amber fractal]

Mobile just is non functionial via my (clueless) testing

[rigid snow]

it's probably not designed by an ai i'll tell you that much

[amber fractal]

the test u64x4 type works. That is good

[jagged turtle]

what the fuck

[idle dune]

Anyone have a recommendation for a stand that can hold the ighty GIRTH of a P73 Thinkpad?

Every laptop stnad I can find is 100% not for a 17 inch

[olive sable]

uh

you mean like one of these?

[idle dune]

Yeah something like that but

https://tenor.com/view/extra-thicc-extra-thicc-thick-extra-thick-gif-21812607

This laptop is like 20 pounds

I bought a brick I was planning to take to work and clas with me

[kind nimbus]

Lol wth. My laptop weighs 5.8 pounds and already has way too much power and huge heatsinks.

[frail mortar]

anyone into theoretical physics?

[silent cloak]

Depends

[frail mortar]

suspenseful

[frail mortar]

On?

[silent cloak]

On what areas ur referring to

Alot of different theories out there

[idle dune]

I have a theoretical degree in phsyics.

[frail mortar]

Julian Barbour, GR, Quantum, Jakobi?

[idle dune]

Yeah this thin is 7.5-10 lb

THICC

[kind nimbus]

thats wild

[silent cloak]

Yeah the building blocks of our universe are fascinating

[idle dune]

It makes my 15.4 MacBook Pro look like a netbook.

[frail mortar]

We've still yet to find the graviton. Or take GR into quantum.

[olive sable]

[frail mortar]

Schrodinger confunsed GR

confused.

[kind nimbus]

i really started disliking the ThinkPad plastic after having a machine made out of metal ngl

[silent cloak]

Im not sure how I feel on the graviton idea

[frail mortar]

would you like to philosophise with me elsewhere?

<not codeing>

[olive sable]

this is the general nerd channel

[frail mortar]

Sure

[olive sable]

you can keep doing physics here

[frail mortar]

I'll keep going

[jagged turtle]

This is the server's nerd-mall

[frail mortar]

Fun

^-^

Anyone into trig?

[olive sable]

im doing geometric algebra

[frail mortar]

wave functions yet?

[olive sable]

ye, but not in-depth

[frail mortar]

its fun

[silent cloak]

Im heading to bed soon but honestly ive mostly been following string theories concept of gravity for a while

[idle dune]

I love it. I love my Macbook too. But I might sell it. Unless I turn it into a LinuxBook Pro . No clue what OS to use though, it might be Ubuntu and I disable the AMD GPU for batteyr reasons.

[olive sable]

the wave functions are more used as a way to and end for the transformation matrices we're doing

[frail mortar]

string is poop imo

[kind nimbus]

Did you try NixOS? 😄

[silent cloak]

The graviton seems worse though because it screws alot of general and quantum mechanics

[idle dune]

Nope not yet. I've mostly just sticked to the top 10 on DistroWatch

[frail mortar]

I'd love to learn your opinions on that

sleep is more important

[kind nimbus]

Well if you're ever feeling adventorous and you want something super reliable and indestructable go check it out 😄

[olive sable]

from what i heard gravity is a property of the fabric of the universe bendign or something like that

i have no clue

[idle dune]

[frail mortar]

I have theories ^-^

i'm working on a framework-

[amber fractal]

-# you also need to configure a lot to actually get those benifits

[kind nimbus]

true but its not that hard to get a basic config working

once you have it you can reproduce it any time on any machine

and it literally cannot break

[amber fractal]

It can't save you from yourself, but it is pretty good otherwise

[kind nimbus]

make it a flake and store it in git. then you can install your entire machine from github

[silent cloak]

The thing with gravity is if its really tied with time as a dimension then I dont know if we should expect a single particle responsible for it

[kind nimbus]

i mean with my current setup i literally cannot destroy my system. its impossible.

[frail mortar]

well, you see. Jakobi and Barbour came up with a 'timeless' universe. The theory is pretty solid.

I'm framing my work off them

[silent cloak]

I mean it depends on what people are calling time

[frail mortar]

exactly.

[silent cloak]

I view time as just moving one directly 4th dimensionally

[frail mortar]

I view time as a memory of change within a Local Time Dilation zone i call LTDZ

4th D would be where gravity comes from

imo

But when you go QM, its hard to say

[silent cloak]

I mean gravity is usually associated with the curative of spacetime

[tender river]

system not just programs/configs but also state if your system state can be trivially replicated after nuking it you're indeed quite lucky

[frail mortar]

Schrodinger is too hard to tamper with and not break it.