programming

[tender river]

that probably only reason

[sage crag]

make a pure ISA

graph

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-pipes-evil-neuro-neuro-sama-gif-17176048630281604301

[sage crag]

lambda calculus cpu made from self replicating robots

[tender river]

nuro swarm

[sage crag]

"nuro swarm what is 52!"

(entire universe is consumed)

[tender river]

me first time make buttercream try soon

[sage crag]

how first time

second easiest icing to make

also best tasting one

you can make it with meringue as well

makes it airy-kinda

lackluster for effort though

[tender river]

main reason functional languages hard to implement is
any variable used arbitrary number of times
function use many time -> function environment used many time too
and
variable used many time -> variable can be used in its own definition

linear lambda calculus maybe better for isa architecture

[sage crag]

buttercream good for most things

you can mix with chocolate, you can mix with lemon, you can mix with

vanilla

it all taste good

people tend to put too much on their cakes though

buttercream can be very sickly sweet in large volume

need to add lots of icing sugar so it doesnt melt into butter

small amount of milk can improve consistency

@tender river search "swiss meringue buttercream"

or "chocolate ganache buttercream"

infinite possibility

personally me just like lemon

chocolate ganache not really need butter and icing sugar to be icing though

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1439744591837266041/autismu.gif

special interest baking

[tender river]

[sage crag]

i should buy

apron

for christmas

[tender river]

russian wikipedia article on buttercream

just this

[sage crag]

disappointing

[sage crag]

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/buttercream-icing
this website usually have good recipes

me not need recipe to mix butter and icing sugar together

measuring is wrong you can taste when its right

taste like butter <- add more sugar
taste like buttery icing <- done
taste like sugar <- add more butter

add more icing if you need it to be stiffer so it melts less

also buttercream should be stored in the fridge

[sage crag]

why make 🔍

buttercream usually with sponge cage

[mighty thorn]

Oh weird the text got all jarbelled

[tender river]

me just make for cupcake

[sage crag]

ye most cupcakes are sponge cake

[tender river]

[sage crag]

measure equal mass of egg, sugar, butter, and flour, then cream the sugar and butter together, add as much egg as possible before it starts to separate

always add flour last

dont need self-raising usually, that more for muffin

[sage crag]

oh and if it starts to separate add some flour, then keep adding egg

forgot flour

that important dont forget flour

[tender river]

konii know lots about baking me clueless

[sage crag]

caster sugar prefer over granulated sugar but doesnt matter in end

can also use golden sugar makes it taste warmer

some people like to whisk eggs before adding but me think it pointless if you just mix properly

since you dont add flour till later to prevent the gluten from doing gluten things and turning your cupcakes into bread

[fast pagoda]

Sugar ❌

[sage crag]

me find that eggs with larger whites instead of yolks tend to make fluffier cakes

but yolks make them more rich

[fast pagoda]

I can only eat whipped icing with like some powdered sugar maybe

[sage crag]

for purpose of baking cake me often like duck eggs instead of chicken eggs

because higher protein content makes the cakes firmer

[fast pagoda]

Duck egg cake how

That's not possible

[sage crag]

same way as normal cake

[fast pagoda]

I never considered this

[sage crag]

i have ducks they lay eggs

[fast pagoda]

What about emu egg cake

[sage crag]

you can make cake with any bird egg me think

provided mass of egg = mass of sugar = mass of butter = mass of flour

[fast pagoda]

T-rex egg

[sage crag]

sure

[fast pagoda]

Platypus egg

[sage crag]

me note that that larger eggs tend to have more egg whites than egg yolk

[clear sedge]

bringing the filth of dessert into the haven of programming chat

preposterous

[sage crag]

why you programming in #baking stupid

[fast pagoda]

I am testing robo vacuums so it's less boring than what I was doing

[clear sedge]

my bad i mixed up my lighting terms

[sage crag]

wrr

[sage crag]

me grandparents were bakers, me used to help

"help"

[clear sedge]

i bake pizza sometimes

way better than that overly sweet filth

[fast pagoda]

The most excited I've been in ages

[sage crag]

my family have one of those

[fast pagoda]

I got the dreame one for $90 on temu so I was like ok sure it's free

Cuz I thought Roomba was bork

But I fixed it

So now I have both

[tender river]

also me look up online cant find exact data but look like baking way more popular in uk than russia

[fast pagoda]

I'm surprised I feel like Russians would bake like bread and stuff more

Idk why

[sage crag]

aging population

i want to buy

dutch oven

expensive

but good for break making

get good crust rather than flat crust

[fast pagoda]

Do you need ceramic

[sage crag]

key to good crust is to bake at higher temperature for less time

[sage crag]

usually, sometimes cast iron

[sage crag]

which is why conversely you like to bake cupcake at lower temperature for longer

[fast pagoda]

Scamazon has a $40 cast iron one

[sage crag]

i prefer 150c fan over 180c fan for cupcakes, but most recipes dont suggest

since it only takes about 15 minutes for typically sized cupcake tray to bake

for a larger cake it can become important to use a special kind of tin to allow for even heating

otherwise it wont cook through and it will have a crust

[fast pagoda]

I'm

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1439744591837266041/autismu.gif

[sage crag]

expensive para mi

me already have too many things i want to buy myself for christmas

[fast pagoda]

I'd buy it for the local #programming tv

[sage crag]

i forbid it

[tender river]

fancy oven

[sage crag]

it go in your oven

can be used for lots of thin

g

typically to make bread rounds

[fast pagoda]

I never saw a use cuz I don't bake I just cook but even then I've barely been doing that
And usually cooking it's basically just used like a large pot which I already have

[sage crag]

me have

saucepan and lid

would try baking bread in that but i might explode the lid

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

EGGS

i vouch for duck eggs in cakes

better than chicken eggs

[fast pagoda]

Best cutaway

Stardew valley taught me that duck eggs are strictly better eggs

Because I always grind hella mayo

[sage crag]

i disagree for the purposes of eating them as just eggs

they get more rubbery than chicken eggs, because their whites are not only larger in volume compared to the yolk, but also more "gloopy" than chicken eggs

[fast pagoda]

Well, as an ingredient ig, I don't think I've ever seen them as regular scrambled, over easy etc

Ewww

[sage crag]

nenver tried duck egg mayo probably good

[fast pagoda]

I don't like the white much

But that makes sense why it's be good for mayo

[sage crag]

duck egg meringue not really improvement over chicken egg meringue

not recommend since paying premium for duck eggs

unless you have ducks of course

[fast pagoda]

I always forget meringue is egg based

[sage crag]

there are three main kinds of meringue iirc

swiss, italian, and french

swiss meringue is what most people think of when they think meringue

its made by separating the egg whites from the yolks, and mixing the whites with sugar until they turn into "raw" meringue

can either eat like that or bake it

[tender river]

meringue = безе me only eaten in solid form

[sage crag]

sorry, french meringue

[sage crag]

french meringue the kind of meringue you eat with icecream and raspberries

swiss meringue the kind of meringue that you spread on toast or make buttercream with

italian meringue is liquid

[tender river]

states of meringue

[sage crag]

main difference is the temperature its whisked at i think

[tender river]

plasma meringue

[sage crag]

with the swiss meringue its warmer, and with the italian meringue it hot sugar syrup

if you live in country with unsafe raw eggs, then dont eat raw meringue for obvious reason

also why i tend not to make meringue with duck eggs, i dont trust them very much to be free of all disease

since my ducks laid them

[tender river]

dubious duck

[sage crag]

me remember something long time ago

[scarlet agate]

i wonder why we call it a basier (french for kiss) in russian

[sage crag]

made swiss meringue using two bowls

bowl of warm water

and bowl of meringue

immersion heating sorta

[scarlet agate]

You’d still want raw eggs. For the health benefits. It’s the health triplet, raw milk, raw meat and raw eggs.

[sage crag]

this is a different kind of lunatic than usual

what an idiot

[fast pagoda]

Hmmm

[sage crag]

if you seriously think eating raw meat and milk is more healthy, you may have a brain parasite

[scarlet agate]

raw mince is the best spread for a toast

[sage crag]

the most healthy thing for you is eating a varied diet with nutrition sources coming from various foods

rather than caring about

raw milk

raw meat

raw eggs

[fast pagoda]

Update on the robots since it's very pressing

Dreame has become stuck instantly it seems

I have to check on it lmfao

[scarlet agate]

wait this is #programming not #food

[sage crag]

this is #baking

[fast pagoda]

He made it pretty far

[sage crag]

why leaf make cupcake

what did me suggest yesterday forgot

[fast pagoda]

Bruh

There's cat hair to pick up from hair cat RIGHT THERE

[sage crag]

what an idiot

[fast pagoda]

Roomba is proving smort this round

[sage crag]

wtf

genius

[fast pagoda]

I was waiting for this MF to go flying down the steps

So was Andy (cat)

[sage crag]

i thought the cat is at the top of the stairs?

[tender river]

me make cupcake because want cupcake

scottish tablet later

[sage crag]

i did recommend that

dont burn yourself hot sugar is very dangerous

[tender river]

me do my best

[fast pagoda]

They are both cat

[sage crag]

well serious dont get burnt by hot sugar

your skin will fall off

and you will get blisters

[fast pagoda]

Roomba successful map and found home so proud of him

Dreame is still at home base

[sage crag]

it incredibly painful

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

Is it worse than oil

I feel like it might be

Cuz if stocks

It sticks

[tender river]

looks like it can also stick even more after cooling

[sage crag]

sorta

at low temperatures yes

oh you meant like when cooking

i thought you meant like

in a medieval siege

[tender river]

[sage crag]

and they poor hot oil down the wall

[tender river]

hot sugar in siege

[tender river]

me reasonably careful only ever get burn from like
tea spill
thanks for the tip though

[sage crag]

hot sugar

like to jump

[silent cloak]

Programming tip 101

[fast pagoda]

Not the Shrek milk and cookies attack

[sage crag]

[scarlet agate]

when programming, you may want to eat cupcakes. when baking them, be careful with the hot stuff

that's a programming tip

[sage crag]

me note another tip with hot sugar, sometimes it good to preheat your thermometer so it doesnt crystallise the sugar and cause your sweets to come out crunchy

ohh also induction stove better imo but should work either way

you want to stir bottom of pan gently with a wooden spoon or something

otherwise little crystals will form and it will go crunchy ee

[fast pagoda]

'pleaz clear obstacles'

[sage crag]

traffic incident

[fast pagoda]

Wants me to sledge the wall

[tender river]

do it then

its waiting

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/swag-viralhog-cat-pet-cute-gif-22814831

[sage crag]

YOU CAREFUL

maybe even try something before tablet actually since tablet is really high temperature compared to other types of sweet

something like caramel is a much lower temperature

a caramel only needs to be around 120c

actually i may be misremembering this, is tablet soft-ball

may only be 120c too

[tender river]

this random scottish tablet recipe also say 120c

[sage crag]

ye me misremember

oops

still hot sugar

careful

[rigid snow]

carpet, the archnemesis of all robot vacuums

[tender river]

got it

i will

[fast pagoda]

I'm thinking because it has the mop attached it might be having a hard time on the carpet up here so that's what I'm gonna try next

[sage crag]

speaking of carpet

you will never get hot sugar out of it

or your hair

so

[rigid snow]

no

[tender river]

how would it get on a carpet

carpet in kitchen bad idea carpet outside kitchen not issue if not bring hot sugar there

[fast pagoda]

Carpeted kirchen

[silent cloak]

Neuro roomba

[tender river]

ye bad idea kitchen should be easy to clean

carpet

opposite

[sage crag]

carpeted kitchen

[fast pagoda]

Omg it was the mop

[sage crag]

me stress this enough by now but treat hot sugar like a bomb

[fast pagoda]

It said you can do both in one go but clearly that is not the case

[rigid snow]

#baking-and-robot-vaccums

[sage crag]

seem like programm(e)ing to me

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_candy

[rigid snow]

baking and robot vacuum channel (tv)

[sage crag]

[gritty dust]

Hater towards innovation

[fast pagoda]

Robot vacuum is at least tech related lmfaoo

Baking has hella tech too

I LOVE monotasker kitchen bullshit

[rigid snow]

sugar rocket science related

[sage crag]

yes

[silent cloak]

Chemistry channel

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

do you know how they make poprocks

[tender river]

make what

oo that

me know

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_Rocks

[rigid snow]

carbonated candy

[tender river]

its fun

[sage crag]

pressurised

[sage crag]

hot sugar

danger

danger

[fast pagoda]

Poprocks are good for removing the taste of things from your mouth

And replacing it with the disgusting taste of sugar

[sage crag]

sugar hater

[silent cloak]

Watching the roomba like a caveman seeing technology for the first time

[fast pagoda]

Well tbf

[sage crag]

i should post cooking vlog in this channel

[fast pagoda]

This MF needed supervision

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

Until I took that mop off

[silent cloak]

did u get the discount roomba

[fast pagoda]

This one is unironically yes

I had this one and I thought I broke it while moving

[silent cloak]

damn

[fast pagoda]

Saw this one on fucking temu

And it was $90

[silent cloak]

lmaooo

[fast pagoda]

And I was like yep

[silent cloak]

that will do it

[fast pagoda]

I mean it's a real brand of robot and they have ones that are significantly less shit

[silent cloak]

if it explodes let us know

[fast pagoda]

It's about in the same place in their product list that the i3+ Roomba I already have was in roomba's

[tender river]

roomba made of hot sugar

[fast pagoda]

Oh no

[silent cloak]

likely something cheaper given its temu

[rigid snow]

sugar expensive

[fast pagoda]

You can get the same one on scamazon it's just a temu special 'refurbished' one for 1/3rd the price lmfao

[sage crag]

i think this would be a marvellous achievement

me remember fun thing

take hot sugar syrup on spoon

[fast pagoda]

Had to go to the psych ward and get lobotomized and then they sold it to some sucker

[silent cloak]

id just get one from a brand with some reputation

[sage crag]

drizzle on iced cake

[fast pagoda]

Me

[sage crag]

two tier

[silent cloak]

temu likely took out a bunch of parts and replaced them with cheaper ones

[fast pagoda]

Dreame is a known robot brand

[sage crag]

it harden into a shell in a drizzle pattern

[fast pagoda]

It was sold by dreame themselves

[sage crag]

very aesthetically pleasing

[fast pagoda]

Shipped from them too

[silent cloak]

i would not sell on temu if i was them lmao

not good rep

[fast pagoda]

They do and so do at least one other

Lefant I think but they're less known

[sage crag]

oo oo if you have

silicone mould

[silent cloak]

side project idea

[fast pagoda]

Xiaomi also sells refurbs on temu lmfao

[sage crag]

you can create a caramel drizzle object and remove the mould

[silent cloak]

make ur own roomba to compete

[sage crag]

its very difficult

but looks cool as a topping

[fast pagoda]

That just sounds like the Pathfinder bot I made in school except turn off the Pathfinding and add memory

[silent cloak]

i made a little one like that when i was younger

when i was 7 i took apart a bunch of wowee robots and an old vaccum cleaner

i used their sensors to make a shitty little roomba

[fast pagoda]

Bounce

Bounce

Bounce

Bounce

[rigid snow]

[silent cloak]

basket ball subtitles

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-dvd-bocchi-the-rock-hitori-dvd-bounce-bouncing-gif-9852509130228086263

No mop it successfully ran out into the main area, was cleaning, then ran out of battery because I have been forcing it to clean over and over with no charging and it was at like 30% when I opened it lmfao

And the. Found its way back to the closet to the base

[sage crag]

blobcchi

[silent cloak]

looks like a toilet

[fast pagoda]

I'm so proud

It does have toilet like design cues now that you mentioned that lmao

[silent cloak]

the floor toilet

[fast pagoda]

It's just lucky the closet is the size of a Hong Kong apartment so it doesn't have to navigate very hard to get back in there

Well now I don't know what to do

I have two vacuum robots

I guess this one has mopping so I'll slap him downstairs and see if the mop actually functions if it stays on hard floor the whole time

And dingus can stay up here and just be Mr vacuum

's emotional state is unstable seeing them actually working uh oh

[silent cloak]

dark and evil thoughts

[fast pagoda]

She slumbers

[silent cloak]

dreams evily

[fast pagoda]

I got this highly reliable, brand name valuable ice maker on temu as well

I'm definitely not flushing it a few times and then gonna test the ice for like, everything you can text for before ever consuming it or anything

Test for*

It was like $9 or something so you know it's high quality

[sage crag]

@tender river

how go baking

[fast pagoda]

I cannot stop purchasing complete obvious garbage on there and just seeing what I get

Sugar explode

[tender river]

just eating cupcake me not do anything with sugar in near future

[sage crag]

ye i mean

did they turn out good

[fast pagoda]

Sugar related ptsd

[tender river]

hmmm i think i prefer without frosting dont think i messed up buttercream (how do that) so probably just personal preference

[fast pagoda]

Butt cream is too sweet

[sage crag]

phrasing

[tight whale]

Me when I'm socially anxious: "I need to make a robot which would shoot airsoft gun on a girl I like"

[sage crag]

buttercream is highly polarising

[fast pagoda]

Omg

[tender river]

me also not like souffle that much or whipped cream

so make sense maybe

[fast pagoda]

My keyboard is doing this thing where I can't see the text
Hence butt cream

Need to restart

[tender river]

whipped cream like more than souffle but prefer ice cream

[fast pagoda]

Whipped cream is good

No sugar

Or less sugar anyways

There's still a lot of sugar

[sage crag]

no sugar

[tender river]

try meringue next i guess

[sage crag]

o also try make eclair

it a pastry

usually with whipped cream filling but can skip it

usually coated on top with chocolate ganache

best served cold

[tender river]

me only eaten without ganache

[sage crag]

maybe UK custom

[tight whale]

Eclair but it's made with thermopaste

[sage crag]

[mental path]

yummy

[rigid snow]

as icing or as the filling

[sage crag]

whole

[dull hedge]

Cool skin

[tender river]

long

[sage crag]

ddg image not mine

[dull hedge]

My skin is looks like this

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

and filled with whipped cream usually

sometimes custard 🔍

messy though

[rigid snow]

🔍

[sage crag]

whipped cream less messy

could fill with meringue

[tight whale]

Ough I miss Roshen eclairs 😫😫😫😫

[sage crag]

you can just do what every you want there are no rules

[rigid snow]

🔎 why are there two

[tight whale]

Both

[sage crag]

mag and mag_right but no agem (mega_left)

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

ones me ate look more like this

[sage crag]

not like UK eclair at all

[rigid snow]

these suck

[sage crag]

more accurately, french eclair

[tight whale]

What the hell

Where chocolate

[rigid snow]

no chocolate

[sage crag]

brits partial to eclairs but refuse to believe that all of our tasty pastries are actually french

[tight whale]

WAIT THE TV IS A FUCOIJG AVATAR DECORATION???

[rigid snow]

no

she is tv

[sage crag]

no its part of my skull

[sage crag]

and by skull i mean all of me

[tight whale]

Skin I didn't toilet cameraman

[sage crag]

because i dont have any other

[tight whale]

WGAT

THAT'S BANNED?

[sage crag]

yes

yes it is.

[tight whale]

Dawg

[sage crag]

brainrot banned

[rigid snow]

specifically that brainrot

[tight whale]

Ts is just like jorje oruel

[rigid snow]

jorje oruel

[tender river]

o here best example me found

[sage crag]

leave #baking forever

[clear sedge]

twinshipping still not banned though, L move

[tight whale]

He wrote a book about this server

Neuro is the big brother

[sage crag]

this look like travesty

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

where real eclair

[tight whale]

Wait

[sage crag]

not relevant to #baking

[tight whale]

Who would be big brother , evil or neuro

And who is uh

That other guy

[clear sedge]

vedal

[tight whale]

Goldstein

[tender river]

ye this image of eclair in my head completely different

[rigid snow]

[tight whale]

Was it like that overused

[rigid snow]

they're still eclairs they're just without the chocolate and small

[tight whale]

Cuz this is genuinely like

Funny but also crazy

[clear sedge]

the powers that be are just weird with banning stuff here

that's it

[tight whale]

Mod abuse

Jorjor vel

[clear sedge]

[sage crag]

french eclair better

maybe esl debuff

🔍

[tender river]

ne unambiguous eclair

call same in russian

[sage crag]

bad

[tight whale]

What

[tender river]

most image me find look like proper eclair so probably random store just made them smol

[sage crag]

me cant actually cook many meals

[rigid snow]

no both are a thing chay

[tender river]

[sage crag]

minmaxed for confectionaries

[rigid snow]

ones you showed i definitely see

often

[sage crag]

i can usually make if sweet

[tight whale]

Ih

Oh

[clear sedge]

#baking

[tight whale]

#renamethechannel

[sage crag]

it #baking

[tender river]

why mustard and custard so similar

look like coincidence

[rigid snow]

All cooking talk should go here. This includes baking, grilling, frying, boiling, canning and so on.

[sage crag]

coincidence

dont think you temper eggs with mustard

you do with custard

[tender river]

custard = alteration of croustade
so people just made it up to make it easier to pronounce

[rigid snow]

ye 99% of (modern) english

is that

[tender river]

and mustard comes from some actual word

[rigid snow]

interesting that the r moved all the way to the end of the word

[clear sedge]

mustard comes from mustard seeds

[tight whale]

#programmingandbaking

[tight whale]

Mustard?

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard_(condiment)

[sick owl]

https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3-flash/

Pog

[rigid snow]

:brc:

[sick owl]

My phones voice assistant is gonna be less of a dumbass

[tight whale]

I hate my stupid chungus life

[clear sedge]

you mean i get to pay for unethically trained hallucination prone slop??

[rigid snow]

ok google now show non reasoning

[sick owl]

Okay but why tf does 3 flash beat 3 Pro in SWE Bench Veriifed

[sick owl]

Why would you be interested in the non reasoning performance of reasoning models?

[rigid snow]

also $3/m out is kinda expensive for a flash

[rigid snow]

because it's both??

[clear sedge]

"guys it can totally think and reason" predatory ass marketing

[sick owl]

Officially yeah but realistically if you want precision you'd go for the reasoning mode

[rigid snow]

i don't trust reasoning after grok 4

[sick owl]

I'm sure non thinking gets a nice bump but its not really as interesting imo

[sick owl]

I don't think it was reasoning with Grok 4, I think they just benchmaxxed

[rigid snow]

nonono

you don't get it

[sick owl]

This is a valid complaint

Though imo its still pretty fair relative to the performance on offer

[clear sedge]

do you think the average llm isn't benchmaxxed?

[rigid snow]

grok 4 reasons for 20x the tokens any other model reasons so it ends up expensive

[sick owl]

I'm interested in the exceptional LLMs, not the average ones

LLama-4-Ultra-Giga or the latest Amazon slop model aren't of concern to me

[clear sedge]

good luck finding them with the lies ai companies spew

[sick owl]

I find em through my own testing

Gemini 3 Pro at least stood up to its claims for my money, as did Claude Opus 4.5

GPT 5.2 fell short

[sick owl]

Oh right now that I believe

But I also wasn't interested in Grok to begin with, Elon ahh reddit slop model

[rigid snow]

it's an example this can happen

[jovial remnant]

There are like 3, maybe 4 frontier labs worth following

[sage crag]

mustard is a plant

[rigid snow]

a precedent

[sick owl]

Imo Deepmind, Anthropic, Deepseek, Z-AI, Moonshot and Alibaba Qwen are the frontier ones worth following

[clear sedge]

i'm gonna go plant some ketchup seeds :D

[sick owl]

Mistral for the open weight releases but don't trust their benchmarks

AllenAI is also pretty cool for their fully open source releases

[tender river]

still come from somewhere

word

[rigid snow]

dirt

water

[clear sedge]

[rigid snow]

seed

[clear sedge]

does allenai respect open source licenses and creative copyright?

[jovial remnant]

Deepseek and qwen are good, but haven't they been playing just catch up most of the year?

[rigid snow]

ye

[sage crag]

words dont need to come from somewhere they can just spawn

[sick owl]

Yes, their entire training dataset, architecture, inference and training code are released with every model

They're a non profit

[sage crag]

like potato

what a weird word

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/shiro-spawner-minecraft-spawner-spawner-neuro-sama-gif-27700230

[sage crag]

@real sierra shiro spawner

[sick owl]

Their models are full pipeline honest to god open source

[rigid snow]

models are not that good tho, they're fine

[cosmic sphinx]

@sick owl how is the new 3.0 flash so far
i js came home

[rigid snow]

js 💔 🥀

[real sierra]

[tender river]

it work

[sick owl]

Yeah they exist more as open research tools than to push the boundaries of performance

[real sierra]

b

b

bweee 📣

[clear sedge]

hold on, they might actually be based

[sick owl]

Not tested it yet but the bench numbers are promising if they've been as honest as they were with 3 Pro

[real sierra]

i lob u programming channel

[cosmic sphinx]

im most excited about the multimodality upgrade

[real sierra]

[cosmic sphinx]

gotta test it on a few problems pro couldnt solve

[clear sedge]

we lob you too shanta

[olive sable]

6

[real sierra]

what I don't love is whatever is happening to hardware prices

[tender river]

oh let me know if i can help with remaining chess organizing in any way

[real sierra]

consumers being crowded out of the market

it's actually gg

[tender river]

ye looks like cloud computing is about to become a thing

[rigid snow]

here we go again

[clear sedge]

second-hand ram shopping is the only viable way

[sage crag]

o

hi shanta

[clear sedge]

even the second-hand market is gonna get fucked soon

rest in peace

[sick owl]

The thing I'm excited for is having the voice assistant on pixels be less of a dumbass

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

ram-as-a-service

[sage crag]

programming channel

[clear sedge]

rent-a-ram

[tender river]

google drive swap

[sage crag]

baking channel

[jovial remnant]

New flash probably won't have that big model feel, but still should be good

[nocturne olive]

Rare Shiro spotted

[real sierra]

download more ram ❌
stream more ram on a subscription basis ✅

[sage crag]

shanta need red and white name for christmas

[real sierra]

life has been very mean to me lately

sorry for my continued absence

[clear sedge]

the thing i'm excited for personally is allenai supposedly being ethical and open will look into it

[sick owl]

Well its smarter than GPT 5.2 at least lule

[nocturne olive]

Well not too great on my side either, NSP is completely stalled for external reasons

[sage crag]

if shanta show up too often we might get topic warning

[sick owl]

They're a non profit founded by Paul Allen so they're generally pretty chill

[sage crag]

when you turn on thinking the style prompt doesnt get applied

[sick owl]

Rerun it a few times with thinking on and it'll slip up

Unless they patched it cause of bad PR

[rigid snow]

ik you blocked me but uh oh! this is their data

all synth i mentioned this in the initial argument

[fast pagoda]

Kekw

[sick owl]

Seems its pretty token efficient

[rigid snow]

why is it goated at svg what

[fast pagoda]

Lotta data

[sick owl]

3 Pro is even better at it

They're very good generalists (relatively speaking)

[cosmic sphinx]

3.0 flash also got 17.5/20
i think it screwed up on the same tasks requiring precise vision

[sick owl]

I fed 3 Pro an image of Neuro, asked for an animation of a voxel model of her walking down a road with segments behind it disappearing as new ones load in and got this (with an agentic harness to give it a dev environment)

[rigid snow]

thats pretty cool

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[fast pagoda]

3 Pro is crazy for visual demo stuff like this

It'll basically give you whatever you ask for, there's a reason the default prompts are shit like RENDER THE UNIVERSE INTERACTIVE!!!

[fast pagoda]

Howdy sam

[sick owl]

Pretty good ngl

It seems surprisingly close to Pro

Must've used some crazy advanced distillation techniques or something

[fast pagoda]

Flash is always barely faster than pro and the quality just sux, I hate that on my phone if I summon the machine Oracle through holding pwr (pixel, I'm sure they do but not actually sure if that's a shortcut on all android or not) it's flash every time

Well

[rigid snow]

are you benching on fucking егэ
genius ngl

[fast pagoda]

It doesn't suck

It's just not as good as pro

[cosmic sphinx]

it got a little bit more precise, but still not quite there for analog stuff

[sick owl]

I agree, that's why I'm excited for a flash model that isn't 2.5 flash

It did kinda suck

[fast pagoda]

2.5 flash did yeah

[sick owl]

And I use the "hey google" on my phone a fair bit for example when I'm gaming and want to look up a keybind quickly without tabbing out

[cosmic sphinx]

honestly, its pretty much all benchmaxxed except for the vision tasks

good for testing multimodality on the physics exam

[fast pagoda]

Real world 3d manipulation benchmarks soon

Didn't I see 3 Pro farting around controlling humanoids recently actually

[sick owl]

I'm giving 3 Pro control the SO-Arm 101 I'm building over christmas

Should be fun

[fast pagoda]

That'll l be interesting

[clear sedge]

kde's built-in alt+f11 keybind letting me play in windowed fullscreen on any game just eliminates this being an issue for me personally speaking

[sick owl]

I just don't like ruining my immersion by faffing around in my browser looking for an answer

[fast pagoda]

I have 3 flash in app rn

[sick owl]

Same

[fast pagoda]

Idk if you had been not seeing it or not yet

[sick owl]

Rolled out a lot faster than Pro

[fast pagoda]

Ahh

I just wasn't sure if you'd checked or not so figured I'd mention lolol

[sick owl]

I wonder if flash is being used by live already

That was the one area that google actually are behind OpenAI a little

[fast pagoda]

I think you can get pro live if you just start from a pro chat and go live

Right?

[sick owl]

↓ don't really use live

[fast pagoda]

I'm pretty sure

It just defaults to flash with the shortcut

[sick owl]

They really need to give it web search for grounding in live mode already tbh

[clear sedge]

fair

[tender river]

didnt know kde supports that

use it all the time on sway tho

mod+f

[clear sedge]

kde is based i'll tell you that much

[tender river]

i can use anything that isnt alt tab based

[sage crag]

wrr

[fast pagoda]

I asked lmfaoooooooooo it was like oh yeah sure for sure and then

[cosmic sphinx]

nails the first version of decoding easily per usual..
wait did flash ever get it right? idk

[fast pagoda]

I'm annoyed because I have a Google home hub at my desk so I can ask Google ASSISTANT which it is somehow still enforcing, and it will find search results, but Gemini can't in my phone if I say hey Google and that's what decides to answer

So instead I added more computers to my desk to avoid alt tabbing

[rigid snow]

we know apple bought gemini 3 weights for siri but that's for cloud, when they roll that out i'm interested how good the local weights will be

[fast pagoda]

Gemini Bank

Nano

But also bank

[rigid snow]

gonna be funny if they take a 12b gemma

[fast pagoda]

Kinda crazy where Gemini is now when Bard is where it started ngl

[cosmic sphinx]

yeah

[fast pagoda]

I remember trying that MF and bard hallucinated more than literally any other model I've ever used for anything including local

[cosmic sphinx]

bard felt like a fan project by some random team in google
gemini is what happens when deepmind locked tf in and got onto the task

[rigid snow]

before llama 4 i really believed meta was going to win the ai race long term, now it's for sure google

[sick owl]

TPU investments paying dividends

That and actually applying Deepminds full resources to it

[cosmic sphinx]

holy shit, 3.0 flash just solved the v2 decoding test
3.0 pro gave up on it

[fast pagoda]

Good I can use this again, I knew it was worth $20 in api credits to get right

Although googol ended up winning in the end (so far)

[cosmic sphinx]

5 minutes of time in total

[fast pagoda]

POOr demis

[fast pagoda]

I just want one baby pod for myself

Just one

[sick owl]

Tried out microsofts new image to 3D 4B model btw

Not too shabby

[cosmic sphinx]

damn

[fast pagoda]

I used one of those like 2 years ago on a Neuro and it was such a cursed result

[cosmic sphinx]

imagine the amount of time it can save

[fast pagoda]

Good to see they figured out how to un-2d

[rigid snow]

i've heard a rumor google is running llm inference on cpu

but training on tpus ye

[cosmic sphinx]

no way it runs on cpu

[fast pagoda]

A whole shipment of Core 2 Quad Q6600s Got diverted and they're using those

And a cluster of ps3s

I have sudden desire to cluster PS3 inference

[dark turret]

how could that possibly be true

when cpu inference is like 100x slower

[fast pagoda]

If you have 100x more of them

[rigid snow]

supposedly tpus are not good enough for inference

in some way

[fast pagoda]

Surely theyee good enough just not good enough to waste them on that when they could be training

[rigid snow]

makes sense actually

[silent cloak]

combining all the computing power on the planet to make more jake paul sora 2 videos

[fast pagoda]

I dunno why they'd do that when it's not like they don't have any gpus either

Maybe a combo

[rigid snow]

oh they HATE nvidia

[fast pagoda]

Google hates anything that isn't google

[dark turret]

isnt it just mostly matrix multiplications either way, training or inference

and some activation functions

[fast pagoda]

Way different benefits w/ how memory scales in inference vs training I believe

[rigid snow]

keep in mind inference is the end product so they wanna make it as fast as possible

[fast pagoda]

Well it's fast as shit atm

[silent cloak]

the suffering goes in training so the inference is easier

[fast pagoda]

2 months ago Google AI was generating like 1.5 quadrillion tokens a month or something like that, as a group

[sick owl]

Seems like texture generation still needs some work

[sage crag]

where baking?

[fast pagoda]

It's just a bit melty

[sage crag]

not seeing any cakes, icing, bread, pastries

[dark turret]

wdym... unless youre talking about like more complex inference deployments like MOE models split between GPUs and complex routing and stuff

[sick owl]

But still, its at a point where models it generates can actually serve as a good starting point for modellers and compare favourably to photogrammetry despite working off just one image

[silent cloak]

just a little melted

[sage crag]

arent we a bit off topic?

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

mlntcandy

that make me remember

i made peppermint paste before

but

i didnt use it for anything

i just ate it

[rigid snow]

based??

[sage crag]

my stomach did not like

but my tastebuds did

it mostly just royal/water icing and peppermint flavouring, terrible for stomach

[rigid snow]

[fast pagoda]

Training requires higher batches and more memory accessible at once and tpu advantage is scaling the whole unit to make tons of high bandwidth mem available (among other things)

As far as I understand, that's way beyond the scale I've ever seen or worried about myself

[dark turret]

so are you saying using TPUs for inference wastes memory relative to total FLOPs available

[tender river]

mix peppermint paste with caramel syrup

[fast pagoda]

It just doesnt make good use of it yeah it's better to use it for something where you need the mem capacity

[rigid snow]

NOT eat me

[fast pagoda]

Small batches are just short bursts of calculations and then offload, you spend more time loading and waiting for the bandwidth available to load the whole thing over and over for tiny jobs comparatively

[sage crag]

i think

that is crime

caramel syrup just get eaten by peppermint paste

better to

add peppermint flavour to hard-crack stage sugar after it cooled out of the pan

i think

or do you add it when still hot

[fast pagoda]

Meanwhile in training the more you can hold in memory all at once and just keep there and crunch through the training steps while keeping it loaded, the higher batch size you can run, and the efficiency goes up a ton

[tender river]

mint + caramel

[olive sable]

Honestly not too shabby.
It figured out to increase topology density in the knees for better deformation, now it just needs to do the same for the arm

[dark turret]

and a larger batch size helps with the model generalizing better right, or at least reduce overfitting, since it computes the average gradient? the efficiency youre talking about here, is that pure computational efficiency or efficiency related to model performance?

[cosmic sphinx]

i just noticed how MUCH it generated (with thinking, code and code outputs from executions) to solve this, hoooly

[fast pagoda]

I believe the way tpu works with the framework it runs it requires a constant token length for input regardless of actual input as well

[sage crag]

mint candy, candy in UK typical term for a sweet that is hard and made of boiled sugar

so uuh

just a regular mint

old fashioned style

[fast pagoda]

Large batch is actually better for just overall speed but the gradients are smoother and more general, smaller batches are noisier which helps avoid local minima plateauing the training

[sage crag]

large batches are better for making sugar candies yes

because

you dont have to replicate the temperature and timing as frequently

and its more economical to heat up the sugar all at once

[fast pagoda]

Lol topical and on the fly thanks

[olive sable]

I saw how to make candy in school 4 years ago or so. Pretty cool

Need sugar

[fast pagoda]

For the tpu thing, when I said it's more efficient, I mean more cost effective

Not necessarily related to the actual performance of the training run or model quality etc

[sage crag]

need sugar

to make

[fast pagoda]

Sugar

[sage crag]

molten solidified sugar

[fast pagoda]

But hard

[sage crag]

sugar is already hard its a crystal

[fast pagoda]

Ur a crystal

[sage crag]

true

[fast pagoda]

U shine konii

[sage crag]

i know

[olive sable]

Not liquid crystal

[sage crag]

tv screen work like that

crt

me crt

diamond dust is still hard even if it dust

[fast pagoda]

Konii OLED (ai because LG)

[dark turret]

im so confused... are you talking about inference here? if so what batches are you talking about? like running multiple user queries in parallel?

[fast pagoda]

Training

And inference

[dark turret]

ok so youre saying that this is what happens in training if you dont have enough vram

[fast pagoda]

Inference is just batch 1 lol

Single queries

Basically

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

For training you can run giant batches in parallel which is what tpu is best for economically cuz it's geared towards having a giant pool of available memory to hold a giant pool of weights and such to be able to access it quickly without getting bottlenecked by memory bandwidth since with inference the model has to get loaded, run the inference step, then do that over and over again one at a time

[rough bloom]

nah, inference is usually batched too
would be insanely inefficient otherwise

[fast pagoda]

I think at big scale y

[rough bloom]

batch size 1 is only for small local deployments with a single concurrent user

[fast pagoda]

I was about to say that looo

Llll

[rough bloom]

[fast pagoda]

I just don't know enough about how they do it to explain it well

[fast pagoda]

But they do like continuous batches shit

[true hemlock]

hot take

tpu is e waste

all it do is fmac

i want my general matrix/vector simd :(

[fast pagoda]

Tpu is running the matrix mult in parallels

GPU is parallel vector mult

Never quack

You will never be able to handle the waves the way you want to

Because demis hasn't willed it so

[true hemlock]

[fast pagoda]

It's over

Who really cares about llms when we already have AGI

He'll get out of the closet at some point, it's only been going in circles for a few minutes

I will say the dreame refurb dealer lot lease special wingus unit is about 1000x quieter than ol dingus here

[tender river]

grrr so done with this

me play factorio

[fast pagoda]

You're welcome

All I really wanted was to ensure you had fun

[tender river]

not you

[fast pagoda]

My robot court jester did not please me lady

[sage crag]

how many cupcakes you eat

[tender river]

half

[warped narwhal]

0 < n < 100000000000

[sage crag]

what was full amount

[fast pagoda]

1

[tender river]

sweet eat slowly

[tender river]

11

[sage crag]

NOT SLOWLY

[fast pagoda]

5.5

[sage crag]

[tender river]

no

[fast pagoda]

Yes

[tender river]

full amount = total baked

[sage crag]

what recipe leaf use 🔍

[sage crag]

ye ye

so you ate 5

[tender river]

ate = half

[sage crag]

[tender river]

half of one

[rigid snow]

just business

[sage crag]

if it were me

i would have eaten 5

[fast pagoda]

And best buy did us a solid of not making us wait for the price increase on the stock they definitely didn't pay that price to buy

Thanks best buy

[sage crag]

and then go on a run so i dont gain weight from eating 5 cupcakes in one sitting

[fast pagoda]

Do you become like a larger tv

[sage crag]

no

just denser

[fast pagoda]

Too many cupcakes = oh fuck I'm rear projection screen now

[sage crag]

just mass increase same volume

[tender river]

ye drink tea/coffee without sugar eat sweets slowly only drink tonics and not other carbonated drink (too sweet) etc not health reason just preference

[fast pagoda]

Ah so that's what happened every time I had to move a crt

[sage crag]

personally

[rigid snow]

if you eat 1000 cupcake do you become densest material on earth
if you eat 100000000 cupcake do you become black hole

[sage crag]

i can eat most things rapidly

but i regret it soon after

[olive sable]

Crt have best latency. Virtually 0

[fast pagoda]

Just a 40 inch Sony trinitron

[sage crag]

but with sweets, sugar is drug you see

[sage crag]

1hz

[fast pagoda]

Yes crt is best for fighters for that reason or used to be

[sage crag]

hm

[olive sable]

1hz, but each line is up to date

[sage crag]

i would test

but i dont want to die

[gritty dust]

I mean it's true

[fast pagoda]

Avoid ghost minimal lag

Smash melee tournament so the best place to go buy a CRT

[gritty dust]

Six is more than 5 thus 50 50 shot lol

[olive sable]

I played smash melee for the first time last weekend. It was pretty good

Afterwards we played smash ultimate on switch for the first time, it was even better

[sage crag]

ye me 52kg crt, very heavy for crt you see

too many cucpcakes

[fast pagoda]

I was never good at it but I had a friend who was so we went to tournaments a lot, that's how I met mew2kinga couple times

And also was super drunk and annoyed dabuz

[olive sable]

Peak gaming

[sage crag]

ghosting

i can see it

[tender river]

some sweet addictive but most feel too sweet to eat a lot of not sure how my brain decide

[gritty dust]

looks good

[fast pagoda]

Looks comfy

[sage crag]

try use a different kind of sugar next time you bake

or a different sweetener

[fast pagoda]

I prefert big projection for Mario kart double dash

[sage crag]

not remember how to make honey cupcakes but

it tasty

[olive sable]

Bad picture, exposure over 2 frames

[sage crag]

oo honey bread oo

[tender river]

honey

[sage crag]

maybe hard to get in russia since cold

[tender river]

no easy

[sage crag]

cold bees

[tender river]

me great grandparents had bee farm in kazakhstan

[sage crag]

me parents have 1 beehive

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/bees-deltora-quest-bee-meme-deltora-quest-gif-21153737

[sage crag]

not produce honey or anything

wild bees not honey bees

[tender river]

also saw a bee in city center this summer not sure how it got there

[sage crag]

bee

[fast pagoda]

Rode in a bus

[sage crag]

beebus

[fast pagoda]

Scared at least 40 moms

Bees love bus

Big door

Lotta people to spook

[tender river]

honeycomb tasty

[sage crag]

[asmr] aichou me no ruumumeito ga kyousei teki ni meiku shite kureru

[sage crag]

me not partial

[tender river]

me not eaten in years

[sage crag]

that bad you need to eat

how you alive

[tender river]

photosynthesis

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

bees not scary