programming

[olive sable]

so i will

i just did

[sage crag]

chay have meow

not empty

[rigid snow]

"an empty" implying he is speaking in 3d software

[olive sable]

ye

[sage crag]

na

cannot

[tender river]

konii dictatorship not have free speech

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

#notmydictator

[sage crag]

people who speech freely get turned into pasta

[rigid snow]

are states of a 0d space point exists/point doesn't exist

[sage crag]

there is exactly one state of a 0d space

[rigid snow]

hmm

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

0d point is just raw location without mass or volume

[sage crag]

0d space does not have those properties

[rigid snow]

my intuition say it possible to place a point in 0d space

[sage crag]

you would be wrong

it just idempotent

[olive sable]

2d points still have a location in a 3d world. so 0d points also still have a location in a 3d world

[sage crag]

me not say 2d point

or 0d point

me say

0d space

[olive sable]

thats just nonexistance

[tender river]

wrrr

[sage crag]

nop

[tender river]

reminds me need to

read hott book

[sage crag]

0d space exist in exactly one space

[tender river]

but have better things to do

[sage crag]

phrasing

[tender river]

hott book unambiguous

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

"book of high temperature"

[sage crag]

homotopy type theory

[olive sable]

read hot book?
wdym by that?

[tender river]

https://github.com/HoTT/book

[sage crag]

ye me genius

[olive sable]

oh

[sage crag]

never doubt me

[olive sable]

nevermind

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

"book of high popularity" too

what phrasing

[tender river]

book with 2k github stars

[sage crag]

book with 0 bestseller

2k github star

therefore we can conclude

2k github star == 0 bestseller

[rigid snow]

that it is of high temperature

[olive sable]

if its on github its for nerds and not something i could read

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

your game engine

on github

[rigid snow]

bro said he's not a nerd

[olive sable]

my game enigne is not a book

[sage crag]

i disagree

[olive sable]

im a weeb, not a nerd

[rigid snow]

same

[olive sable]

no

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

this is a venn diagram

[tender river]

its a book about proposed new foundations for mathematics replacing set theory me know some people not like univalence axiom and some people like it a lot so its still quite controversial but its a fun topic

[sage crag]

me

[rigid snow]

i think you fit right in the middle

[sage crag]

Social Ineptitude

[olive sable]

ye see, im too stupid to understand that

[rigid snow]

intelligence not knowledge

[olive sable]

hmmm

[sick owl]

💀 five times GPT 5.2 extended thinking got this wrong

[sick owl]

GPT OSS 20B got it right every time

Either their deployments borked, its overfit, they're allocating a pathetic amount of compute budget to customers or the model really is shit

[sage crag]

[sick owl]

Instant actually gets it right

Its 5.2 thinking that gets it wrong 100% of the time

Ironically

Although its inconsistent with instant, it got it right 4/5 times for me

[rigid snow]

thinking = bad

[tender river]

book covers everything from scratch since its a book on foundational mathematics anyway more importantly book not useful for you

[rigid snow]

you heard it here

[sick owl]

Nah cause GPT-OSS 20B gets it right

More like ChatGPT is bad

[olive sable]

im only slightly socially innept. and im not too obsesed. id place myself more in geek i guess

[sage crag]

have you got a question gpt struggles with

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

wait wait did ytou ask it the seahorse thing

[sage crag]

i just did

[sick owl]

I mean like I said letter Rs in garlic

Also the classic seahorse thing, idk if that still applies but it was funny

[olive sable]

you need to compile the book yourself

[sage crag]

it does

[tender river]

wrong https://hott.github.io/book/hott-online-78-g0bb33d2.pdf

[sick owl]

Another one GPT OSS 20B gets right that ChatGPT fails

Wtf

Five attempts, no looping or weirdness

They've gotta be aggressively quantising their models or borking something inference wise on the backend right?

That straight up doesn't add up

[sage crag]

stupid

[olive sable]

i cant help but see the cover off the book is filled with sigma

[fading olive]

Why does it start and end the sentence with lol

[olive sable]

lol

[sage crag]

lol ${sentence} lol

[sick owl]

Okay nvm lul

[olive sable]

im not even 10 pages in and i already dont understand what this is about 😭
you say this is from scratch? why are there so many symbols?

[sick owl]

Seahorse still catches 20b out sometimes

[sick owl]

Majority voting would fix it

[dusky jackal]

Kind of uncanny how it uses internet slang in such an inhuman way. I can’t see any human typing like that in that context. It’s kind of cute but it’s eerie af.

[dusky jackal]

What LLM is this?

[sage crag]

chatgpt

[sage crag]

to be honest

lobotomy

[dusky jackal]

Oh wait that is ChatGPT wtf

[sage crag]

ye

[dusky jackal]

Bro just said “hot” 💀

[rigid snow]

"flesh drone vibes" so creative literally agi

[olive sable]

kinda hot

[sage crag]

i added "dont be weird" to the prompt and it didnt really work

[dusky jackal]

Whateverrr sounds like something a sterotypical valley girl from a 1990s high school movie would say LMAO

[dusky jackal]

[rigid snow]

it's chatgpt its whole thing is flirting

[dusky jackal]

I thought that’s Grok.

[rigid snow]

cant remove with prompt

[olive sable]

chatgpts thing is flirting? ive been usign it for entirely different purposes

[sage crag]

if i dont tell it that it is chatgpt then it forgets

[dusky jackal]

Oh yeah 4o

[dusky jackal]

Dude thinks they’re not ChatGPT

[sage crag]

braindead

i dont know why it uses the elipsis character instead of ...

[dusky jackal]

This seems a bit better but it’s still pretty eerie. The “like…” is really over-performative. Sounds someone playing a character rather than anything genuine.

[clear sedge]

like, zoinks scoob!

[rigid snow]

because that's the correct one to use in typography, similar to how it uses em dashes instead of regular ones

[tender river]

ye nerd

[rigid snow]

nuh uh me cool kid

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

i webdev = normie = cool kid

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

wrrr

need buy

piping bag

[rigid snow]

chay need to buy bagpipe

[tender river]

me need to

make food

or maybe sleep leave problem future me hmmm

ye sound better good night

[clear sedge]

food is cringe

night night

[tender river]

me pray defeat ball tomorrow eeee

[silent cloak]

https://youtu.be/3T-_zmQwT1o

Interesting video about AI

[nocturne olive]

Overfitted to benchmarks be like

[sick owl]

It does give me overfit vibes now yeah

[nocturne olive]

At this point they're just trying to keep the shareholders thinking it's gonna keep improving so they focus on the benchmarks only

LLMs are at a dead end

[silent cloak]

Truth nuke

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[olive sable]

i wonder how small you can make an llm to have it still be coherent

like you just give it a character to play and an input. no memory of what was said previously or anything

just a self-contained input to output

[clear sedge]

def llm(prompt):
  if prompt == "hi":
    return "hello"
  else:
    return "sorry i no speak english very good"```

[olive sable]

no not really what i meant

more like,you can ask it any question, and it will be able to answer it as if it was that character

but it doesnt have a memory or anything

no proprogrammed inputs

[opaque sigil]

this might sound crazy but

SLMs are a thing

[olive sable]

i need it to be able to run on a phone for example

[rigid snow]

you would not believe this, you can run pretty big llms on a phone

[olive sable]

it would preferably run while rendering

inbetween renders wouldnt be too bad, but it owuld have to be fast in that case

[rigid snow]

you need it for a game

[olive sable]

i odnt think id use it soon, but im planning ahead

[rigid snow]

my immediate thought is using a tiny llm with a finetune of the character

not prompt

small llms don't really follow those

[olive sable]

ye thats fine

[rigid snow]

and for how tiny they go i don't actually remember how good N params are but i remember seeing as little as like 400m while still being useful for something

[olive sable]

the goal is to have either 1 llm to play all characters and do context switching, or we have 1 per character and find some way to make it efficiently switch between those

[rigid snow]

finetunes as loras maybe

i mean store them

though with these models probably not very low rank

[olive sable]

if we're gonna have 1 per character, ill probably need it to be very compact so it doenst eat a lo of vram

and so the storage size of the entire game isnt 100gb

[amber fractal]

I'm leaning on memories in a LoRA and tuning a base in general conversation and world knowledge.

[sick owl]

Not looking good brev

[rigid snow]

https://huggingface.co/HuggingFaceTB/SmolLM2-135M-Instruct
user: I am a cat and stuck in a tree. What do i do?
assistant:

Ah, a cat stuck in a tree! It's quite common in nature. Let's take a look out the window to see what's going on. If you're looking out the window, you might see a squirrel up high, which would be the main culprit. They're not very active in this situation, but they might be looking for a quick snack. If you see a squirrel, try to keep a safe distance. The squirrel might be looking for something tasty, or they might be hungry and want to get out of the tree.

If you're not quite sure what to do, don't worry, I'll guide you through it. If you're stumped, you can turn around and look at your surroundings, which might give you a better idea of what's happening. If you're still stuck, try to start a fire with a fire starter. It's not that difficult, but it might help you get out of this tree.

Remember, if you see any signs of trouble, like smoke or twigs on your paws, don't hesitate to let someone help you out.

After that, you're safe, but I hope you have a good day!

this shit is so ass

[whole wasp]

💀

i mean like

nvm

[rigid snow]

oops i used the instruct tune with chat template but linked the base model

forgive me

If you're still stuck, try to start a fire with a fire starter. It's not that difficult, but it might help you get out of this tree.
wtf

[sick owl]

Mr Squirrel?!

[opaque sigil]

just burn down the tree

[rigid snow]

another generation

Wrong place. You are placed in a tree. It's not like you can't move around or climb on your own. You're not injured, and you've had no reason to feel threatened, so you should be okay.

honestly yeah good answer

i am a cat. i SHOULD be able to climb on my own

[olive sable]

what if i like the tree?

[whole wasp]

then stay in the tree

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-falling-animal-tree-gif-6111566003609015713

[amber fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-gif-18865199

[tight bison]

Cat distributed

[olive sable]

nuh-uh

i have dogs

[bold oak]

\×/\×/\×/

bro

it doesn't work

[olive sable]

what are you trying to do?

[bold oak]

bucket

with x as a logo

[olive sable]

🪣

[bold oak]

but slash doesn't show

[olive sable]

i odnt get it

oh

[bold oak]

yes

[olive sable]

ye backslashes are a cancel. you have to cancel the cancel

\×/\×/\×/

[bold oak]

\VEDAL/\VEDAL/\VEDAL/

jk

[olive sable]

[bold oak]

then make them different colours then you get what I do in a separate community

[olive sable]

---

-x-

your turn

[bold oak]

--○
-×-

[olive sable]

--○
-×-
--x

[bold oak]

○-○
-×-
--x

[olive sable]

ye its onna be a tie

[bold oak]

it is lmao

or is it?

[olive sable]

○x○
-×-
--x

[bold oak]

○x○
-×-
-○x

[olive sable]

○x○
x×-
-○x

you already cant win anymore

and with the next move me neither

[bold oak]

nuh uh
○x○
○○○
-○x

jk

[olive sable]

bro is palying with chatgpt rules

[bold oak]

exactly

jk

○x○
x×○
-○x

[olive sable]

well, you may have won, but i move my queen to b2
○x○
-♛-
-○x

[bold oak]

where would you suggest I could upload my music?

[opaque sigil]

wtf is going on here

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

sam is cheating at tic tac toe because he's bad at it

[bold oak]

○x○
-♛-
-○🏰

[olive sable]

it was a tie, we woudlnt have won eitherway

[jagged turtle]

[bold oak]

uea

yea*

[olive sable]

○x○
-♛
-○🏰

[stray dragon]

cheater cheater pumpkin eater

[bold oak]

○○○
-♛
-○🏰

I win

[olive sable]

○○○
-♛
○🏰

[bold oak]

○○○
👉♛
:welpsagiri: ○🏰

I don't have that emoji lmao

[olive sable]

emote doesnt work

that counts as an embed failure so i win

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-evil-neuro-embed-failure-gif-15456327638408323033

[jagged turtle]

man docker sockets are so awesome /j

[bold oak]

oh hey js realised I wasn't in NN

[bold oak]

hi

[rigid snow]

i’m trying to sleep but end up planning how i’m going to architect a solution to a problem and then it turns into just me imagining how im programming it and

no sleep

i’m so tired

[olive sable]

have you considered focussing on sleeping instead of your work?

[rigid snow]

it not work

maybe would be useful if it was work

[olive sable]

if it requires work to do, its work

[rigid snow]

no benefit

therefore not work

[olive sable]

you're working on a personal project, but still work

[rigid snow]

sure but to address that

can’t focus on sleep

i don’t control where my mind takes me if that makes sense

especially if i’m trying to sleep

what does focusing on sleep even mean

[olive sable]

it mainly means to stop focussing on anything i guess

[rigid snow]

it’s not focusing

idk

can’t

[olive sable]

to focus on sleep is to not focus at all

i gues

[rigid snow]

like i can clear my mind by actually focusing on something that doesn’t require brain activity like breathing

but then i’m focusing and im just going to meditate for hours and not sleep

my issue is basically that my mind takes me to things that are too exciting for me to fall asleep

[olive sable]

i usually only sleep when im exhausted enough to collapse

so idk

even when trying to sleep at a reasonable time i dont have much issue with it

[rigid snow]

yeah that wouldn’t work

i’ll fall asleep at like 2pm then

[olive sable]

3D modelling a face is absolute nightmare fuel.
it feels like im making one of those rubber masks

[amber fractal]

I feel this in my soul, when a project really grabs my attention it is hard to shake

I feel like I've put in so much time in an anime shader that it's hard not to continue on it.

[olive sable]

i work in like "checkpoints"

i need to finish off at a satisfactory point or i cant stop it

if i need to stop while i was in the middle of something im in a bad mood

this often causes me to be late

in terms of sleep, i just wait to sleep till im happy with my progress, and then i can sleep just fine

[rigid snow]

oh youtube videos often help

very easy to fall asleep to because no thoughts of my own

issue with that is then ads play and wake me up

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

oh ye. my brother watches yt while going to sleep.
when we were on vacation it was a weird experience sleeping in the same room as him

[amber fractal]

I only scroll if I'm restless, even then it is muted

or headphones

[olive sable]

to me it has the opposite effect when im actually interested in the video. so i spent 2 hours awake listening to a dragoon cookie clicker video

[rigid snow]

wait i can just watch youtube from the browser when im going to sleep and then i have extensions and

[amber fractal]

I know exactly this

[rigid snow]

that’s why you leave those for later and watch something absolutely stupid

like idk

[amber fractal]

then you start losing braincells and just until sleep (which is delayed by 2 hours)

[olive sable]

i wasnt choosing the videos, it was my brothers's phone

i spent 2 hours listening to this fucker cuz autoplay was on

[amber fractal]

subscribed

[rigid snow]

for some reason youtube recommends me retro computing related stuff at night specifically so i end up watching that. the videos are usually long chill and pretty useless

[olive sable]

i did say i was interested in the videos

[rigid snow]

so i won’t be paying too much attention

also something i wish existed is

a crazy audio compressor

then i could even bear the ads

[rigid snow]

like built into the os or the player or something

[amber fractal]

deepfried audio

[rigid snow]

nonono not saturation

[olive sable]

at waht point does having an RVC or whatever read out text become more effective for storage size than audio files?

[amber fractal]

storing the RVC

so never

[olive sable]

y ebut text is a lot cheaper to store than audio

[rigid snow]

rvc models are pretty small compared to audio i think

rvc is not tts though so you have to ship the tts model too

[olive sable]

i guess it depends on the quality of the audio i guess

i typed i guess twice

wow

[rigid snow]

you guess you guess

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

1hr of mp3 voice recording is like 50mb though

[sick owl]

Its getting grim out there jesus

Vedals gonna have to sell one of those yachts

[rigid snow]

wtf

[amber fractal]

it isn't even at 6000MHz

[rigid snow]

yeah ggs

we’re cooked

burnt even

to a crisp

100% carbon straight coal

[olive sable]

ltt had their new ryzen threadripper pro video with the 9995X pro or whatever. and that thing costed 13K as the new fastest cpu, while the ram they put in the system was 17K and not even good ram. it was last gen pretty low speed ram

[amber fractal]

More fuel for the fire

[rigid snow]

yeah but they put in like 512gb or some shit

idr but a lot maybe even more

1tb?

[olive sable]

1 terabyte ye

"when i wrote the script it was 6K, when we started shooting it was 10K, and now its 17K"

8x128 ddr5 5600 cl46

from micron

[sick owl]

My mid range ram kit is worth a third of my 4090

[rigid snow]

uh oh i should look up mine

[stray dragon]

yeah my 192gb would be worth $1270 if i bought it today lol

[sick owl]

As always cex lags behind the market lol

This is why they're my go to

[stray dragon]

out of stock

smh

[patent shard]

vengeance line is a little overpriced.. still, that is.. crazy

[sick owl]

Gee I wonder why

[olive sable]

ye my ddr4 4x16 3600 is sitting at 630$ rn
not even a year ago i bought my 5950x, x570 mobo, and the ram toghether for 300

[amber fractal]

I'm checking that 32gb laptop ddr4, it is not going to be plesent

[sick owl]

My ram kit is worth my mobo, CPU and AIO combined

Insanity

[olive sable]

i would sell high and later buy low if i didn't need my ram rn, but i kinda do

[sick owl]

If there's a silver lining hopefully this forces devs to start actually utilising hardware rather than brute forcing performance again

[olive sable]

as a dev i can tell you thats not gonan happen

[sick owl]

Who am I kidding they'll brute force it anyway and tell us to buy a 6090

[amber fractal]

just more AI

[stray dragon]

i might consider selling if 96gb ddr5 somehow reaches $800 tbh

[rigid snow]

$290 and i got it for $110
basically worth more than cpu+gpu lmao

[olive sable]

if the guys behind borderlands 4 expect you to get a 5090 for 3K to get 60fps, they wont give a shit about your ram

[stray dragon]

it's not far off lmao

[sick owl]

If I'd just hoarded all my old ram kits instead of selling them on upgrade I'd be rich

This is a new what if I bought bitcoin back in the day moment for me

[olive sable]

i wonder if i could buy 2ndhand ram here and sell it to others fro double what i paid for. cuz the 2ndhand market here has barely been hit yet

[sick owl]

You could, you would be part of the problem though

Also apparently people aren't buying so there's that

[olive sable]

if it makes me rich who cares?

[sick owl]

They're reporting hardware sales are down 75% for some manufacturers

[rigid snow]

buying 2nd hand ram

[amber fractal]

me buying a 3090

[olive sable]

im still willing to deal those too you know

gpus are easier to test cuz i have a 2nd pcie slot

ram is a bit more annoying cuz the clips are pretty innacesivble

[sick owl]

GPU prices are actually in a lul rn funnily enough

...

In anticipation of an insane spike next year

[olive sable]

ye probably

buy now while its not too late

[sick owl]

They're selling off the last affordable supplies

[amber fractal]

it is not real

[sick owl]

All downhill from here

The RAMpocalypse is upon us

[olive sable]

3090's went down to 400 bucks here, but im geussing they'l go back to 500 or even 600 next year

[sick owl]

Apparently mid range phones are expected to drop back down to 6 gigs of ram in 2026

And flagships back down to 12

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

I'm trying to crack open the gaming laptop to see what the ram is

[rigid snow]

they never really needed anything more than 8

[sick owl]

Glad I got my pixel 10 pro when I did

[rigid snow]

like for fucking what

[sick owl]

Future proofing with 16gigs is gonna become near impossible now

[olive sable]

my laptop's ram upgrade, single 8gb soddim stick ddr4 3200. 30 bucks when i bought it

[amber fractal]

on mobile 100%

[olive sable]

its 60 now

[sick owl]

True

But headroom is always welcome

Means they last a lot longer as os versions climb

[olive sable]

at this rate buying an old phone will be an upgrade

[amber fractal]

finally plate off

[rigid snow]

“future proofing” ok yea funny words to describe an android phone that will hopefully get 4 years of software updates

[sick owl]

They come with a guarantee for 7 years of OS and feature updates

After that just switch to a community ROM

[rigid snow]

glad google sorted that out what about others

[olive sable]

some are selling ddr4 16gb ram 3200 for 30 bucks, others for 130

[rigid snow]

no the problem is it’s high likelihood ram is faulty

[olive sable]

its 2ndhand but you can test it you know

[amber fractal]

Samsung SODIUM 32gb-2Rx8-3200AA-SE1-11
mismatched with a 16gb from another vendor

[sick owl]

True but I'm a pixel guy anyway

Don't think I would want to ditch the lovely software for Samsung bloat etc.

[rigid snow]

memtest will take you ages

[rigid snow]

not viable to run at someone’s house

[olive sable]

we have buyers protecion, so if it takes me 2 hours to test and its faulty, i can return it

[sick owl]

Memtest does take ages for a proper run but usually if something is catastrophically wrong I find it becomes apparent quickly

[olive sable]

true

[rigid snow]

if something is catastrophically wrong it’s very bold to try and sell it

as working

because as soon as you come home and plug it in you get a bsod in 2 minutes max

if it even boots

[amber fractal]

exact match for $90

[patent shard]

I use prime 95 large fft in-place for mem testing 😅
but that's for testing if timings are stable, not if ram is bad

[amber fractal]

https://www.newegg.com/p/2RC-0034-009P1

is this how I learn that this 3200MHz stick has been running at 3000MHz due to the other stick

on an intel system of all things

[olive sable]

i dont know if my ram sticks are well matched actually

[rigid snow]

that’s why you buy a kit

[olive sable]

there was 1 already int he laptop, i bought a 2nd one for the 2nd slot

[rigid snow]

oh laptop

[olive sable]

both are micron ddr4 and 8gb
the system has been running at 3200 iirc according to task manager. but one of the sticks might be higher. or one might have different timings

[amber fractal]

the laptop this was meant for had one attached and one slot, so I didn't think about getting a pair

40gb max on that system

[olive sable]

for a laptop still not too bad i think

[sick owl]

Micron huh

[olive sable]

ye

[amber fractal]

yeah, the two I mainly use now actually have two slots so I can do 64gb max. One is running at 50gb and the other at 32gb

[olive sable]

from my point of view 32-48gb is the high end on a laptop. on desktop 64-96 is high end with 128 and up for the people with too much money

if you're running a program that needs 64gb of ram, it would probably benefit a lot from being on desktop

[amber fractal]

@olive sable is the 4090 market still balls over there?

[olive sable]

i dont know how good laptop cpus are these days, but with the thermal limits i doubt the cpu will ever be able to keep up with the ram usage

[olive sable]

lemme check

the first ones i can find are for 1.9K

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

lowest one is 1850

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

#AD

sponsored or whatever

[amber fractal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/136841686130 it is not real surely

the price isn't even the one they are expecting to sell at

[olive sable]

read the description

its written by chatgpt

[amber fractal]

that is chatgpt alright

[olive sable]

4090's are 1.9k

but i can get an entire gaming pc with 5070, 32gb of ram, and a 5950x for 1.3K

apparently the 2ndhand market realizes "4090 performance with dlss" doesn't mean anything

[amber fractal]

second time because doxx, have fun EU people

[olive sable]

i will

btw, 3090s are not 400 buckas anymore 2ndhand. now they're 500-650

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

the 400 era lasted maybe 3 weeks

[amber fractal]

superbox was lucky

[olive sable]

nah he paid 500

530 or so cuz shipping

[amber fractal]

800-900 locally sourced

[olive sable]

your 3090s are a lot closer to the 4090s

[amber fractal]

lovely

true

looking at the worst card for AI (K80) glad to see it is only $50

On the other hand, it is cheap vRAM

[olive sable]

i found 5 p600 for 150 buck or so iirc

200 apparently

was it p6000 the one one thats used for ai?

cuz these look ass

[amber fractal]

p40s are still down on price from the first AI boom, which is nice

they were 200 per at the time, now 180

[olive sable]

the only p40s i can find are huawei phones

[amber fractal]

which is insane to think the price has gone down at all

[amber fractal]

tesla p40

[olive sable]

ye but they're not for sale anywhere 2bdhand

[amber fractal]

makes sense, rare american market W

I'm suprised it has any at all

[olive sable]

oh thats crazy

i can find a server

with 12x16gb of ram

and its 1.2K

with current ram prices...

[amber fractal]

I should also check

[olive sable]

with current ram prices thats 1.8k in ram alone

[amber fractal]

my butt just searching AI server and seeing 2tb ram for 10k

[olive sable]

i odnt think the server specs itself are that good tho

2x Intel Xeon Gold 5120

[amber fractal]

32x 64GB DDR4 for $10k

[olive sable]

thats 2 terabyte

as long as thats ddr4 or 5 its a profit

if you manage to sell the ram at least

[amber fractal]

real

storage server only, no free GPU

I spot a spark for 4k

Eplipsy warning on that tab change

[true hemlock]

not bad wtf

[amber fractal]

hi Quack, we are searching hardware

just for the lols

[true hemlock]

wait is that ddr4 ecc or non ecc?

[amber fractal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/127397393775 here you go

[true hemlock]

oh multi noded rack

[amber fractal]

searching it up again did not bring that result again so history diving for that

[olive sable]

the problem with 2ndhand servers is that they're either old as fuck, or they're overpriced compared to consumer

[amber fractal]

execept for 2tb ddr4 ram

[olive sable]

ye

[true hemlock]

oh possibly ecc

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

thats purely due to the current ram crasht ho

[amber fractal]

ecc makes it worth it regardless

[true hemlock]

i might be tempted

[olive sable]

4090s are 1.9k used, but 5080s are 1.1K

[amber fractal]

check the buyer, they got other skews

similar priced

[true hemlock]

yeah 5080 is shit compared to 4090

[olive sable]

i thought they were at least somewhat close

[true hemlock]

nah

also vram

and bandwidth

[true hemlock]

btw you're spot on

the only thing worth in that listing is just the ddr4

[olive sable]

when im googling how fast a server is compared to what i know. it always pops up witht he ai overview of "its ass compared to your cpu, but if you need a shitton of ram maybe not that ass"

[true hemlock]

the cpu, you can get it on aliexpress for less than $20 each

[amber fractal]

@true hemlock since the last time I looked up the funny suboptimal interference gpus (Tesla P40, M40, and K80) all three are down at price. 180 110 50

Still not worth but insane that they are lower than the first AI boom

[true hemlock]

yeah the frog hit me with a K80 as a gift some time ago

its a really nice collection because it has 2 GPU dies

[amber fractal]

yeah, it isn't something we do anymore

maybe with PCI gen 6

[true hemlock]

M40 is not worth it

[amber fractal]

M40 has never been worth it

[true hemlock]

P40 for 180 seems decent

[amber fractal]

It was 200 when I first asked you

[true hemlock]

ig the lane count matters more

but that's where the scuff comes

K80 usually won't work well on consumer boards

[olive sable]

16/32 vs 16/32

[true hemlock]

for reasons that most consumer boards can't encode the amount of memory address it needed

[amber fractal]

at least of it's price point

[true hemlock]

all chatbot suck at hardware analysis because they relied on feeling biased data

[amber fractal]

it is still 2x 12gb

[olive sable]

guy here is selling 3 servers with each 2 of those xeon gold 6134s, each 2x16 2666, and each 2 750W psu for 900 bucks

[true hemlock]

also the pcie lane distribution

you tend to need a board that naturally does x8/x8 bifurcation

because each chip just takes x8 from either side depending on which side of chip it is

[amber fractal]

not to mention the 300W tdp compared to the M40 and P40

both at 200W

[true hemlock]

man i wish we can have alternating pcie lanes but the pcie traces itself are thick so you need a relatively thick pcb

[true hemlock]

2 gpu dies be like that

[amber fractal]

it do be

let me continue my hunt

[true hemlock]

take R9 295x2 as example

500TDP

but my friend has a modded version

that does 1000W at stock

[amber fractal]

Oh ye @true hemlock saw a spark for 4k as well. Doubt it is worth much

though that is just avarage here ig

[true hemlock]

spark is shit

shadowlilac can testify

e waste lol

[amber fractal]

That's what I recall that discussion being

[true hemlock]

1.14W/mm² thermal density, still pretty low

friend did a run of 378W on a 14900K

that's 1.47W/mm²

im impressed he could cool that below 80W

[amber fractal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/127317715563 Not a 2tb though I did find another one of those

[true hemlock]

6x V100 16GB is pretty good

well at least in my eyes

[amber fractal]

That hit the high ram high gpu marker for me

[true hemlock]

for y'all might not even worth

but V100 is basically

lowest you would go for HPC

[amber fractal]

At least in this listings it is all V100 so I'm just going by count

server CPU with 128gb ram systems my beloved

[true hemlock]

so small

man

i regret something

i should've gotten another 12x64GB ddr5 ecc dimms

before ramaggedon

[amber fractal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/127332350672 gpus not included

pretend this is replying to the 128gb ram

I'm keeping several tabs open, I'll send those later

one of them being a 9k 2tb system

@true hemlock

https://www.ebay.com/itm/157297119616

https://www.ebay.com/itm/197612327854 I also didn't expect to see one of these in the wild

[patent shard]

I'm having voltage issues with PSU.. been an issue for well over a year now
Replugging in the Motherboard power connector usually improves it.. but weeks to months later, it has issues again
Usually the SSD seems to die, but this time all the USB devices just stopped working? Lol?

[true hemlock]

that cpu is so ass

[patent shard]

Wtf
Holding down the power button doesn't shut off the computer

[true hemlock]

what are the things you plugged on the usb

[patent shard]

Guess gotta kill the power

[true hemlock]

voltage transients or overcurrent usually just immediately shuts the whole thing off

or uh disabled usb ports depends on the board

but all stopped working seems not right... hmm

actually, what PSU model @patent shard

[patent shard]

WTF
Why is the gpu hot

Well, seems to be fine..

I mean, I was running something.. that's prob why

But it's weird because the fans blasted when I turned the power back on

Also weird holding power button didn't do anything.. I thought that always cut the power, apparently not

[stray dragon]

something similar happened to me just a few days ago with the gpu

monitor wouldn't display anything, and after trying to get it to work for a bit gpu fans started screaming out of nowhere

shut it down and it's been working fine since then but i think i need to swap out some parts sooner rather than later

[olive sable]

iirc my old pc would randomly bluescreen, or jsut completely turn off balck screen at times

i dont remember what the issue was, but it was def hp's fault since it was a hp prebuilt

[stray dragon]

i'd imagine a psu issue

prebuilts absolutely love to cheap out on those

[olive sable]

it was 550W psu on a 3060ti and 5700g

maybe high enough wattage but bad quality?

[stray dragon]

30-series gpus have a power spike problem

can spike to double the expected wattage, i recall

550w psu would struggle to handle the spikes, especially if it's a low quality one

wouldn't be the first time i've seen a prebuilt have psu issue

s

or the second

or the third

[olive sable]

im on 3090 now and only added 200w extra to a 750w corsair one. im guessing the corsair psu is just a lot better quality

[stray dragon]

ye it's A or B tier i remember

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

depends which one but the RM750e seems most likely

[olive sable]

750x

[stray dragon]

A tier then

solid A

[olive sable]

yay

[stray dragon]

good psu

[olive sable]

old pc had this or soemthing similair

[amber fractal]

brick

[olive sable]

im not sure about exact model, but this def looks the sam

same

[amber fractal]

your a cube???

[olive sable]

no im a triangle

i set that to my discord pronoun and profile thought thing even

🔺

[amber fractal]

I thought I was being lied to :SAVED:

I should swap out due to not doing much AI work anymore, can't think of a good joke atm

[olive sable]

i was going to goolge soemthing but i got ditracted by this so i forgot

[stray dragon]

i don't even think this thing is on the tierlist

lmfao

unbranded

[olive sable]

its hp dogshit so probably D or F

[stray dragon]

probably E-tier chinese dogshit

[olive sable]

i forgot E was in between there lmao

[stray dragon]

maybe F

[olive sable]

i forgot my abc's for a sec there

[stray dragon]

i think i found it?

E tier

[olive sable]

oh i remember what i was going to gooogel

[true hemlock]

much lower voltage transient. PSU quality matters

[stray dragon]

all i have to go off of is the HPE (?) there

and the 550w

[patent shard]

I don't think it's exclusively 30 series, it's just it had a new frontier of higher power draws
but 40 series def reduced the transient spikes

[true hemlock]

always use the ztt PSU tier list. i know personally the people that made those

[stray dragon]

yeah 30 and 40 series both have the issue, i know

unsure if it extends outside of them though

[patent shard]

40 series should be a bit less of an issue

[true hemlock]

no its exclusively 30 series

[stray dragon]

thought some 40 series had it too

[true hemlock]

40 series has better voltage regulation.

[stray dragon]

i see

[true hemlock]

30 series has shit voltage transient also because its using samsung 8nm

[patent shard]

is it? I remember it mostly being the 3080+ that people complained about
but that had higher power draw than anything before... well, I guess that makes it exclusively 30 series, yeah

but 3060 ti isn't a high power draw card...

[true hemlock]

high power draw isn't the only factor...

[stray dragon]

that's just high power draw, not high power spike

[patent shard]

ah

[true hemlock]

voltage transient means that the supposed supplied voltage can go out of spec

[true hemlock]

that results in power spikes

[patent shard]

maybe it was worse, mmm
I just know 40 series was quite improved

[stray dragon]

power spiking to double the expected for a generation of cards is what i was referring to

[olive sable]

this fucker

[true hemlock]

i fucking despises some of those small "pc content creators" for a reason

they don't know technical shit yet talk big

[stray dragon]

youtube is full of dogshit content

so hard to find anything good now

[true hemlock]

https://youtube.com/shorts/YFg6VvMfvQI?si=N8qCnTEoZ9Be1xCm
this as an example

bro recommended that F tier 450W PSU for 5060

lmao

[stray dragon]

when has youtube shorts ever provided something useful

[true hemlock]

the PSU he recommended literally lack protection on ALL rails

one unlucky transient and your whole system gets fried

idk man

im not being unsupportive to "smaller content creator", but i don't really think anyone can or should be a tech oriented content creator especially for those who never puts an effort into researching about it

[olive sable]

my apparently A tier psu was only 50 bucks 2ndhand. i dont see why you would buy no-name psus

[true hemlock]

second hand A tier is almost always better than even new B tier.

most of my PSUs are second hand A to A+, never had any issues because those are actually genuinely reliable

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/edit?usp=sharing

ALWAYS consult this

[patent shard]

B tiers could be knocked down from A for something that doesn't apply to you, though

[olive sable]

when you're already spending 4 digits, you might aswell make sure it doesnt die and such

[true hemlock]

no, the tiering is not entirely based on power draw

they measured voltage transients of each rails, take a note on topology on both side

and checked if rails contain few types of protections

[stray dragon]

tiering is more for how well it handles the transient power spikes, yeah
good psus can handle up to 30% above their rated capacity for a short time i remember

[true hemlock]

rails with no such protections immediately gets E or F tier regardless of how good the voltage regulation is. one very very lucky transient still can fry your system given that it has no protection

[stray dragon]

low rated ones may only handle up to the rated capacity during spikes

[patent shard]

guess A tier isn't that much more expensive, so might as well go for it

[stray dragon]

ye there's a few cheap A tiers

Montech Century II

[olive sable]

B tier 800W psu? nah thats an A tier 750W psu

[stray dragon]

this logic actually does work tbh

[true hemlock]

no lol

[olive sable]

i mean, for spikes it does

but if it doesnt have the necesary protections its meaningless

[true hemlock]

not even for spikes

people tend to forget that overall wattage isn't the only aspect

voltage matters. high voltage degrades the transistor

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

regardless of temperature.

[stray dragon]

so i don't have to worry about that with my american 120v mains?

[true hemlock]

wasn't talking about AC

i was talking about the DC regulation

[stray dragon]

i see

[true hemlock]

i may be very critical but if us electrical peoples aren't, you're bound to have the general public experience more electrical incidents

i've had a lot of people coming to me for troubleshooting their PC

majority of them are due to PSU below D tier

GPUs often fried, having to RMA

dram gets degraded

[stray dragon]

yeah i've noticed that too, lot of people having blackscreens due to shitty prebuilt psu

i've gotten confirmation in 2 of 3 cases that swapping psu fixed issues

don't underestimate that thing

[true hemlock]

im not messing around when it comes to electrical

[stray dragon]

i did live with an E tier 500w for a while though lmao

no issues somehow

[true hemlock]

which is why i sometimes despises these idiot recommending people shit PSU to thousands of people

i wouldn't be this pissed if not due to that same youtuber trying to argue it off by implying that his "works fine for some time"

[stray dragon]

"sometimes experience beats education" lmao

[patent shard]

EVGA N1 💣

(don't get it)

[stray dragon]

"it worked for me so it'll work for everyone"

[true hemlock]

all my psus are at least A- or B+ tier

gave my T2 1600W to the frog, that ones an A+, i'd personally even make an S tier just for it because the transient is so unnoticeable

[olive sable]

"its so good we make a new category for it"

[sage crag]

wrr

[amber fractal]

the addons are growing

[stray dragon]

how are there 1e4 addons for NOT konii

wtf

the konii ecosystem is so big

[stray dragon]

(the konii in this message is short for NOT konii)

[true hemlock]

still less than window's bloat

[sage crag]

ill be writing an os for riscv at some point

and it will be beautiful

i have no reason to target anything but riscv in my opinion

[glad path]

i got beamng running through wine

pog

[sage crag]

i may start with trying to write a riscv virtual machine

for old times sake

[olive sable]

my honest reaction

ye i need to figure out how to make this face less cursed

[sage crag]

just purged over 700 videos from watch later

wrote script

[obsidian mantle]

i'll need to automatically record streams too

in case i will still miss it for some reason

[olive sable]

you were supposed to watch them later

[sage crag]

wrong

[olive sable]

my watch later has some weird shit

i think this one has been in there for 3 years

its 9 hours so i never have the time to watch it

[sage crag]

wrr

[maiden geyser]

psychopomp nugget

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

systemctl suspend

[brisk shore]

linux

[sage crag]

[brisk shore]

yeah i use it lol

[sage crag]

[whole wasp]

💀

[whole wasp]

[sage crag]

True!

now try

systemctl poweroff

[tender river]

why

[sage crag]

🔪

[tender river]

mods

check this british woman's knife license

[sage crag]

🔪

[tender river]

it might be pirated

against tos

[sage crag]

🗡️

[tender river]

any other reasons?

[sage crag]

ye

poweroff

funny

[tender river]

hmm

you win

me do on my server

[sage crag]

send disconnect: Broken pipe

who broke pipe

[ivory plinth]

nwro broke elv pipe

[tender river]

mug

[ivory plinth]

[tender river]

]

[ivory plinth]

]

[maiden geyser]

chyatt, do you reassign drive letters to any specific ones

[sage crag]

no

drive letters are a scam invented by people who want you to label your drives

[nocturne olive]

I don't have such silliness as drive letters

[jagged turtle]

why are my pipes broken

[sage crag]

leaf fault

[sage crag]

leaf broke pipes then smug

no remorse

cold heart killer 🔪

[tender river]

remorse not needed

[tender river]

you

just looking for excuse to shank me

me come prepared

look

[sage crag]

run from me knife

[tender river]

yee wont get me that easily

[sage crag]

🪤

[mighty bane]

>= 0; vs > -1;
Are they the exact same cpu cycles, or is >=0 one more comparison?

[sage crag]

depends on isa and cpu

id recommend for questions like this, use godbolt's compiler explorer

[mighty bane]

I don't know what that is 🙁

[sage crag]

google it

best way to learn what that is

[sage crag]

either way, a good compiler will optimise to the shorter one of these two regardless

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

you may fascinate a woman by giving her a piece of cheese

[mighty bane]

That's what I was imagining also. But then it would need to know exactly what CPU it's to be run on, yes?
Also I already forgot where I was going with this :NotLikeThis:

[sage crag]

no.

only the instruction set

[mighty bane]

So whether it's x84 or... them-other-ones etc?

[tender river]

its the same (though may or may not compile to different code), use one that makes more sense to think about

[rigid snow]

x84

[mighty bane]

Did I use wrong number?

[sage crag]

x86, x86-64, aarch64, riscv

[mighty bane]

86 yes

[tender river]

most isas will have both gt and ge comparisons, either way i wouldnt worry about details like that because its exactly the kind of optimization compilers are good at and you are bad at

[sage crag]

to reiterate: compiler better at isa specific micro-opts than human

[mighty bane]

But someone once made the compiler.. maybe they missed something.

[sage crag]

dont even bother

[mighty bane]

(That's my dream. To find an optimisation some day)

[tender river]

most compilers are decades old

[mighty bane]

Exactly!

[tender river]

thats what makes them good

[sage crag]

you wont find any trivial optimisations missing in llvm or gcc

they have them all already

[rigid snow]

hydrogen bom b

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

elivjam

jam made of eliv

[ivory plinth]

[sage crag]

crushed and boiled

[ivory plinth]

[sage crag]

[ivory plinth]

[sage crag]

[tender river]

nwero bread jam

why is my server offline

[rigid snow]

i sure wonder why

[sage crag]

nothing to do with

systemctl poweroff

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

:CulturalInstrument:

[sage crag]

🗡️

🎤 🎶🎵

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

[ivory plinth]

awa

[sage crag]

awa

i had no clue l was a command

i typo'd ls

[tender river]

its a fish builtin alias i think

probably

[sage crag]

makes sense

[tender river]

l/ll/la

[sage crag]

alias l ls -alh

apparently

ll is ls -l

and la doesnt look like an alias

but a fish builtin

since it has a description

[tender river]

[sage crag]

however the output of la appears identical to l, with exception of the omission of "." and ".."

[tender river]

ls -lA

[sage crag]

user@nixos ~> functions la
# Defined in embedded:functions/la.fish @ line 5
function la --wraps=ls --description 'List contents of directory, including hidden files in directory using long format'
    ls -lAh $argv
end

function l --wraps='ls -alh' --description 'alias l ls -alh'
    ls -alh $argv
end

they are all functions

[sage crag]

ye that why it say 1.2M and not uuh

[tender river]

almost-all

[sage crag]

whatever that is in bytes

[ivory plinth]

[sage crag]

posix is so stupid

when you only have 26 possible arguments using only lowercase letters

[tender river]

probably gnu extension 🐸

[tender river]

short good

[sage crag]

short bad

expressive better

argument passing is bad

[tender river]

short good for shell

[sage crag]

all programs that take arguments should be functions

[tender river]

me not want to type ls --all

[sage crag]

[tender river]

in unix every shell program is a function on string

[rigid snow]

belong to user user usergroup users

[sage crag]

ye

[sage crag]

ye my user

is user

[tender river]

same

[sage crag]

defined in /etc/nixos/user.nix

users = {
defaultUserShell = pkgs.fish;
users.user = { ... }
}

wrr

[sage crag]

uid=1000(user) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),1(wheel),989(gamemode)

[rigid snow]

gamemode

[sage crag]

gnu philosophy

[tender river]

me defined in

[sage crag]

1 program do 1 thing

[tender river]

not know

[sage crag]

and do it well

but