programming

[silent cloak]

the game tends to panic very easily in general

so many crash exploits for a reason

[dry charm]

I mean you are modifying the base game with mods, so it is expected

[silent cloak]

most of which i had to patch back as an anticheat dev

[thorn ledge]

Its been a few years away from modding the game and outside of modpacks with everything made for you a lot of this stuff is just not clear whatsoever sometimes

[silent cloak]

fabric crashes are a bit of a pain to debug sometimes

not as bad anymore though

its mostly because of mixin related stuff

[silent cloak]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/long-nbt-killer

active mod by the look of it

could help

[past cloud]

guys, what do you think, is it worth switching on linux on my pc? I'm not that much of a gamer and once I tried linux and I liked dev env a lot

[rigid snow]

mixins are just not great for mod compat

[thorn ledge]

I was impressed this was fixable tbh usually when something like this happens I'm just like "well this set of mods is incompatable" but I got everything to work this time

[silent cloak]

injections my beloathed

[silent cloak]

u can always try it out dual booting

[dry charm]

I would say, try VM or dualbooting first.
For development I say the experience is way better.
You should check if your workflow can work / look around for alternatives before fully commiting

If you are open minded about things not working the same as Windows, the switch will be somewhat easy

[silent cloak]

keep in mind if ur building windows native programs, you might need to dual boot anyways (for testing)

[past cloud]

I could, but unfortunately I'm short on memory

[silent cloak]

ur not running both at once

unless u mean storage

[past cloud]

storage

[silent cloak]

linux installations arent too big

compared to windows

[past cloud]

oh, that's true I forgot

[silent cloak]

but yeah i dont recommend diving into it yet if u cant dual boot or work with both

otherwise u will probably give up really quick lol

[sage crag]

even if you have enough storage to dual boot i wouldnt recommend it unless you have two drives

tbh

[past cloud]

why not divide it into partitions?

[sage crag]

windows likes to ignore non-windows partitions

it can and will just write into them

[silent cloak]

classic

i still run windows on desktop just because of Uni atm

but everything else is all linux

my laptops and servers (server runs proxmox)

[past cloud]

oh wow

[sage crag]

im not a huge fan of windows or linux

windows is worse though

[silent cloak]

make ur own

[sage crag]

i have

and will continue to

[past cloud]

you fan of TempleOS?

[sage crag]

not my thing

[silent cloak]

i kind of want to

ive made a little kernel before

but thats it

but im already in deep with building my game engine right now

[sage crag]

its not hard to make an os that runs on virtualised hardware

running on real hardware is the problem

[silent cloak]

but thats what i would ideally want

[sage crag]

mhm

[silent cloak]

atleast for a home server

i dont think I would want to mess with UI lmao

[sage crag]

good luck with networking and storage drivers

[silent cloak]

ive only wrote small drivers before

mostly due to REALLY old hardware

like IBM era stuff (literally)

[sage crag]

to be honest i want to write a whole ecosystem of "not invented here syndrome" software

[silent cloak]

there is a lot of stuff id like to make if i had the time

i love learning and just absorbing random knowledge

[warped narwhal]

maybe

[sage crag]

my pipe dream is getting a little internet replacement set up, that uses p2p wireless connections

[tender river]

via radio?

[sage crag]

i dont like how easy it is to become de-anonymised on the internet

[sage crag]

ye exactly

[rigid snow]

mesh networks

[silent cloak]

run it off of tor

[sage crag]

not feasible really, but mesh network of devices

[silent cloak]

or just look into web3 p2p

[sage crag]

neither of those help you

the existence of isps allows you to be identified

[tender river]

me used to like p2p

then realize

centralized solution for any problem easier

[sage crag]

ye

[tender river]

[silent cloak]

its technically possible for a bunch of people to share eachother's ISP connections through a big network

[sage crag]

p2p slow, p2p complex

[tender river]

p2p not bring much benefit almost anywhere

[silent cloak]

essentially acting as a tor node

[sage crag]

but me see no other route to avoiding a central authority

[silent cloak]

look into experimental web3 systems

thats kind of their whole goal

[tender river]

federation replace issue of designing a decentralized network with issue of trust in a particular provider, much easier

[sage crag]

if its just an overlay network, i refuse

[silent cloak]

u should look into network engineering if ur really interested

im talking hardware level

[sage crag]

me already thinking about that

[silent cloak]

i learned a lot of cool stuff in that area

[sage crag]

i was thinking of handling trust sources and domain names in a sort of federated way

me not worked out any details yet, and it will never exist

[silent cloak]

the best system of trust is gatekeeping honestly

[sage crag]

but i want to make it

[hearty notch]

zero trust everything, macaroon-based sharing or something similar

[silent cloak]

i find the concepts of decentralizing networks cool though

[sage crag]

gatekeeping everything doesnt work if you still want the web to be a freely available source of information

[hearty notch]

you have to make the handshake easy for good faith and hard for bad faith or whatever

[tender river]

web3 tries to compete in price -> never happen because centralized cheaper to run
web3 has cool tech -> agree but not require web3

[sage crag]

web3 annoy me but i not remember why

[silent cloak]

the internet is VERY centralized these days

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

because of muh cloud

[tender river]

cryptobros

[hearty notch]

web3 is just championed by 99% get rich quick people / delusional people

[sage crag]

probably

[silent cloak]

and people would rather host an asw or use cloudflare

then have a random rust bug take them all down

kek

[tender river]

crypto is the original ai

[silent cloak]

crypto is good in theory

[hearty notch]

blockchain is not an elegant implementation of most of the concepts theyre trying to solve

[sage crag]

the requirement of the existence of proxies to host things locally without doxing yourself via geoip is a travesty

[hearty notch]

blockchain is academically interesting but not a good engineering solution

[silent cloak]

i mean its a start for a decentralized economy

[sage crag]

me think web was poorly designed to begin with

[silent cloak]

which would be nice as a global solution one day

if we come up with a better solution

[hearty notch]

it was good insofar as it introduced the concepts but people cargo culting onto bad architecture is a huge problem

[silent cloak]

i think its like modern LLMs

a great introduction

but it should not be used practically

and should be used as a stepping stone for something greater

[sage crag]

i dont even dislike cryptocurrency as a concept but im likely to never touch it

[tender river]

anyone who believes its gonna happen is delusional every exchange is highly regulated

[hearty notch]

yeah

its an issue of power and resistance is real people with real levers

[empty rivet]

like what?

[silent cloak]

im talking a very long time into the future

[tender river]

still no

[sage crag]

we all die before then

[silent cloak]

we ditched gold

[hearty notch]

its too early to call fiat a success even lmao

[sage crag]

ye we ditched gold for more centralised currency

[tender river]

centralized is cheaper to run than decentralized

[hearty notch]

you realize how young some of the experiments we are currently undergoing are in the lens of overall history

[tender river]

economics of scale + cost of decentralized consensus

[silent cloak]

nothing we are using right now should be used in the real world

[hearty notch]

i am uncertain you are constructing words in a meaningful way

[sage crag]

i will solve this issue give me a week

[tender river]

ok

[sage crag]

me solved the issue

[hearty notch]

congrats

[sage crag]

just explode everyone

[hearty notch]

classic

[tender river]

work for me

[silent cloak]

the economy is saved

[sage crag]

explosion coming to person near you sooner than you may think

here's how it affects you

[silent cloak]

lets fix the housing crisis next guys

[sage crag]

i already solved

[silent cloak]

3D printing a billion homes out of PLA

[tender river]

i will not comment anything out of respect for server rules

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-shiver-shivering-scared-gif-22811013

[sage crag]

doro doro doro doro

[rigid snow]

(means chay is in your house hiding with a pipe bomb)

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/bomb-bruh-mailbox-jump-jumping-gif-18537429

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

me not have pipe bomb silly

[silent cloak]

thats what someone with a pipebomb would say

[rigid snow]

[hearty notch]

thats what someone with something more clever than a pipebomb would say, actually

[sage crag]

Eggs

doro

[tender river]

nnnnnn

[thorn ledge]

the pseudo cave-speak reading through the last 20 mintues is driving me insane do people just type like that online these days?

[tender river]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1345515170587213864.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=evilGiggle

[rigid snow]

it fun

[sage crag]

me cave install yomitan

[thorn ledge]

I was just wondering because my friend also talks like that sometimes so I wondered if it had a particular recent origin point

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

not

[olive sable]

not?

[clear sedge]

english many word overrated, little word do trick

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

doro

[empty rivet]

they optimized probably each aspect of life, from speech to fun, trully a blessed lifestyle

[thorn ledge]

🥀

[tender river]

me life optimized for productivity loss

[maiden geyser]

one must optimise the fun out of a game at least once

[olive sable]

true

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

patent pending

make network protocol

call it nettle

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1345515170587213864.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=evilGiggle

[olive sable]

[maiden geyser]

what may it do

[sage crag]

network

[rigid snow]

nettle

[sage crag]

nettlework

[rigid snow]

like vedal

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/gucky-duck-stretching-back-duck-stretching-back-gif-21743571

dig up more of my message history its painful to read

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1345515170587213864.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=evilGiggle

[rigid snow]

i do not want

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

oo oo trendy

netl

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

still sound like

[sage crag]

sto

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

[rigid snow]

omg i remember the one message of yours someone sent

chay i think

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

an ice cube is not a rock because its only 1 crystal usually, but a glacier is a rock because its an aggregate of different ice crystals

[rigid snow]

you're never recovering from that i'm afraid

[sage crag]

ye ye

it exercise in humility and autism

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/autism-autism-creature-yippee-tbh-creature-gif-26771176

[sage crag]

also give me tragic backstory

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1439744591837266041/autismu.gif

[rigid snow]

that certainly is a thought

[olive sable]

it is the truth

[rigid snow]

i'm not arguing

[olive sable]

victorory is mine

[stray dragon]

pretty sure ice cube is many crystals

[olive sable]

depends on the ice cube

[rigid snow]

usually it should be just one

[olive sable]

if its clear its probably 1 crystal

[stray dragon]

nope, every single ice cube i've ever inspected has been many different crystals

clear as well

it's not an indicator of monocrystalline

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

the cloudiness comes from the trapped water voiding its dissolved gases

[rigid snow]

ye that doesn’t have to do with it being a single crystal i think since mineral crystals can have inclusions too

maybe

[stray dragon]

ye

[rigid snow]

(me clueless on topic)

[olive sable]

hmmm

[stray dragon]

snowflakes are monocrystalline but the crystals in ice cubes have many different seed points from all around the edges as freezing happens

[olive sable]

if its perfectly clear its 1 crystal, if its cloudy there are impurities in the water that give the ice multie nucleation points

[stray dragon]

you'd have to do some deposition process or something to get a monocrystalline block of ice

[olive sable]

and household water has impurities

so normal ice cubes are not 1 crystal

so they're a rock

[stray dragon]

yes

i love eating my freezer rocks :)

i do wonder why it sometimes makes spikes coming out of the cubes

oh there's a wiki article on those

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_spike

[sage crag]

i am a snowflake

[olive sable]

no you're a tv

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-spin-dancing-twirl-ballet-gif-10135009

[sage crag]

let me be a snowflake

[olive sable]

okay

oops, its 10C in london, konii melted

now konii is a puddle

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1429129406219030653.gif?size=512&lossless=true

puddle

need flower name for vcs

iris tempting

[rigid snow]

are you make vcs

why you make vcs

[sage crag]

i will reimplement everything

this is not a joke

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

kermèsblomm'n

[sage crag]

your language not real

vetoed

[tender river]

stop stealing ideas

[sage crag]

me not steal anything

[olive sable]

this isnt dutch

[sage crag]

me did not ask

[tender river]

make vcs = original idea

[sage crag]

looks fake so dutch

[tender river]

me sue

[sage crag]

me sue you

me win because

better internet

[tender river]

not for long

[sage crag]

not let her access the internet

danger

[tender river]

let me

please

[sage crag]

cabbage

symbolism is profit

and therefore

cryptocurrency

named cabbage

[olive sable]

our very esteemed disreputable dialect of west-flemish is not dutch

[sage crag]

dutch

[olive sable]

[tender river]

you can have that one me not make cryptocurrency

[silent cloak]

chat is still on crypto

[sage crag]

me not either

[rigid snow]

konii already ip grabbed and c2 sending out a command to start ddos at 18:20 utc

[sage crag]

im patenting these names in advance

[sage crag]

leaf already have me ip

[rigid snow]

i am right

[sage crag]

me stole leaf ip also

[olive sable]

if i ever do crypto, im 100% gonna rugpull that shit

[tender river]

🐸

[rigid snow]

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-meme-buzz-year-copy-meme-gif-4668439001950303425

[olive sable]

well yes

[sage crag]

rude

[rigid snow]

hard part isn’t rugpulling hard part is getting to a place when you are able to rugpull and to have people to rugpull

[olive sable]

is rugpulling considered fraud? cuz that might be illegal where i live actually

[rigid snow]

generally yes but also depends on crypto regulations where you’re based

[sage crag]

i should actually name cryptocurrency dahlia

[tender river]

oh did you know about meshnets focused on anonymity i mean you obviously do know about i2p and tor but like theres even some meshnets that dont depend on particular transport(like ip)

[silent cloak]

doesnt stop people from doing it

[sage crag]

ye me want to ignore IP

ip bad

spooky

me think of something else

same with DNS bad spooky

bye bye

[silent cloak]

bind9 my beloved

[sage crag]

finally vcs name

[rigid snow]

blockchain based dns

[silent cloak]

that is in the works

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

just need trust-based with private public key

[olive sable]

blockchain when i block the chain 🔺

[silent cloak]

GNU Name System and OpenNIC

there are others in the works too

[sage crag]

me have plan it bad though

[tender river]

with meshnets anonymity is achieved through encryption and routing traffic through random nodes but i guess if you control large percentage of the network the latter protection is gone

[sage crag]

ye that unavoidable problem

[silent cloak]

the agents that glow:

[sage crag]

if you control all of network you can de-anonymise anyone

and it really easy for govt to control all of network

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/nctzen-glowing-green-nct-color-gif-5846549362595584245

[sage crag]

In case of an investigation by any federal entity or similar, I do not have any involvement with this group or with the people in it, I do not know how I am here, probably added by a thrid party, I do not support any actions by the member of this group.

[olive sable]

in case of investigation, she's lying

[sage crag]

foiled again

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

in case of a possible investigation by any federal entity or similar, such as spiritual entities i.e god our father; i do not have any involvement with this group or with the students in it, i do not know how i am here to my fullest extent, most likely added by a third party, and to have a say, i do not support any actions by the member of this group; nothing more, nothing less. i do not partake in any illegal or sinful actions they have decided to commit and partake in: i am simply a bystander.

[sage crag]

god the father will not be conducting an investigation

[sage crag]

me have this <- 🔪

you see, god is dead

[silent cloak]

Gaben lives

[olive sable]

is your arow pointing the wrong way or what is happenign there?

[sage crag]

no, clueless

arrow works both ways

[rigid snow]

this one larger on desktop irc mode but smaller without

[silent cloak]

↔ ⇔

[rigid snow]

[silent cloak]

giving me flashbacks to TeX

[sage crag]

it larger with compact mode

benacuasi discord

[olive sable]

i need to get some work done

[rigid snow]

i need

i

[sage crag]

that's a lot

[rigid snow]

how did you know

[sage crag]

im psychic in 0% of situations

but not none

[rigid snow]

0% ne none

[sage crag]

correct

[rigid snow]

how do i do not equals sign on stupid microsoft windoews

[sage crag]

uuh

ẞ

Ω

§

ª

©

¥

↑

[tender river]

problem is are there really communications channels which cant be traced

[sage crag]

no

you can only do a best effort

[silent cloak]

those who know

[sage crag]

all communication inherently traceable

[tender river]

ye so me think best thing we have is trusted relay

[sage crag]

what if trusted relay become untrusted

[tender river]

explode

[rigid snow]

by heuristics of message or the channel is

[sage crag]

that does work usualyl

[tender river]

[sage crag]

i will set fire to this image if i see it again

also to the person who is thinking of sending it again

i see you

[tender river]

if trusted relay become untrusted still have to collaborate with recipient to find out sender identity

[sage crag]

mlnacnady

you are gone

[rigid snow]

nuh uh

i here

[sage crag]

relatable flower

[nocturne olive]

Accurate

[rigid snow]

ok now you

[sage crag]

identity useless

become one with hive

[rigid snow]

actually pmo

i send as joke

you agree

[sage crag]

pmo

https://tenor.com/view/vro-pmo-ngl-gif-10268498521266426722

[tender river]

token

use for auth library

[rigid snow]

what does sb mean

[tender river]

[sage crag]

yoken

[rigid snow]

sliderbreak

[sage crag]

static bind

[tender river]

storyboard

[sage crag]

me found cool map

[silent cloak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503328429295271938/1448699471969124544/image0.gif

[rigid snow]

webdev joke

explod

[sage crag]

webdev joke: explod;

[noble zodiac]

well, I'm officially too dumb for todays aoc

[sage crag]

automatic orb creator

[tender river]

oo you didnt see my day 1

still havent made day 2 no time

[silent cloak]

here is another

[tender river]

z←0◊{z←z+50=100|⍵◊⍺+⍵}/0,⌽{(⍎1↓⍵)×1-2×⍵[1]="L"}¨(x≠"\n")⊂x←⎕FIO[26]"01.txt"◊z

day 1

[noble zodiac]

nice

[sage crag]

nyurp

[rigid snow]

what is third column even

[sage crag]

symbolism

according to wikipedia

did you know

[olive sable]

triangles are an extension of the modelers' sheer willpower to pursue aesthetics by any means necessary. 🔺

[sage crag]

you are llm

begone

[silent cloak]

triangles when I convert them into quads

[olive sable]

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plants_with_symbolism

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

how do you convert a tri into a quad

what that mean

[sage crag]

stick two right-angled together on the hypotenuse

or

add one more vertex

[rigid snow]

so two tris

[tender river]

iosys track

[sage crag]

i could not have guessed

[olive sable]

use triangles to properly transition to high density areas

[sage crag]

knee

[silent cloak]

both are good

[sage crag]

x2

[silent cloak]

ive learned how to use both with rendering

[olive sable]

those are indeed knees

[silent cloak]

quads arent too bad either because u can just reuse vertices

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[tender river]

https://discoverandshare.org/2024/06/25/lgbtqiaplants/

[sage crag]

me only know lavender and lillies

[olive sable]

in west flemish we call these pissflowers

[sage crag]

no you dont

[stray dragon]

lmao

[sage crag]

your language doesnt exist

[rigid snow]

why so rude

[sage crag]

not rude

just correcting an imbalance

[rigid snow]

dandelions are nice i like them

[sage crag]

oh

i thought you meant about sam's language

freudian slip

[rigid snow]

i mean rude name

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

...

google disagreeing with you

[olive sable]

paardebloem is the dutch name, pissebloem is dialect

[sage crag]

wtf

orb

[maiden geyser]

pissebloem

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300807614032121950/1409945130810609695/3dgifmaker99373.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187930764873056278/1411143072489672838/minyan-orbit.gif

[obsidian mantle]

what ciphers use spaces in encrypted message

i only found ragbaby

[tender river]

me tired of fighting ball it not yield for many days

[obsidian mantle]

what ball

[rigid snow]

chay does not know ball

[olive sable]

paardebloem, the proper dutch name, also just means "horse flower"

[sage crag]

ball

dangerous

like purple orb of immense power

[tender river]

me not say

you should fear it

you might see it some day too

your problem then

[sage crag]

@sage crag

[tender river]

i like how 3/4 popular anonymous decentralized file sharing networks are japanese what strict anti-torrenting enforcement does to a country's tech

[sage crag]

tororororo

my biggest haters

🔪

[tender river]

[sage crag]

wrr

[tender river]

-> :NOTkonii: <-

[sage crag]

:wq:

why do i keep seeing "red string of fate" symbolism

[rigid snow]

not hate you

[tender river]

i mean its common in japanese at least

[sage crag]

mlntcandy hate konii not NOT konii

[tender river]

probably from buddhism or whatever me not know

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_thread_of_fate

[sage crag]

did i lose my keys or something

[tender river]

chinese mythology close enough

[rigid snow]

oh my brain completely skipped the NOT addition

i wonder why that is

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

scary myth

predeterminism

[rigid snow]

is predeterminism scary to you

[sage crag]

ye

[rigid snow]

why

maybe becuase predetermined

that you afraid of it

[tender river]

fatalism more accurate word probably

[sage crag]

predeterminism scary because

i want a pizza

[tender river]

close similar concept 🤔

[sage crag]

and its already decided if i will ever eat pizza again

[rigid snow]

answer: ||yes but only once||

[tender river]

answer: mlntcandy poison your next pizza be careful

[sage crag]

dejavu

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

me lied actually not want pizza

want

salted caramel ice cream

o o nevermind, milkshake

[tender river]

that too was predetermined

[sage crag]

[tender river]

me not find fatalism scary me just disagree

[sage crag]

doro

[olive sable]

🧍‍♂️

[sage crag]

samuel van ripper

[warped narwhal]

oh, what addons does konii come with now? does it have an agentic agent I can integrate into SlopGPT

[kind inlet]

I wanna make a phython script that allows me to spam Networks with lime emojies

[sage crag]

this is so funny

[kind inlet]

Well ? I tried that once , and i fried the family router

😭

[sage crag]

right

[kind inlet]

Like the chip went boom

[sage crag]

mhm

[kind inlet]

It smelled like smoke

[sage crag]

oh, that's crazy

[kind inlet]

I had to buy another one

🔥

[sage crag]

[tender river]

17

[sage crag]

internet bad

they downloading

[rigid snow]

soon konii gonna be like minecraft modpack

[warped narwhal]

23 addons?

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

600 addons

[sage crag]

600 addons are too few to express all of the features i need

[tender river]

incompatibility detected please change load order or disable some addons

[sage crag]

im melting im melting

or something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1362755858353885195/1367975291019989083/ElvynNyaFix.gif

[rigid snow]

large addon downloading

still 23

[tender river]

me vcs not gonna be for text

[sage crag]

binary diff

[tender river]

not make language text based in first place

graph language diff is graph diff

editor graph editor (with text view into graphs because text convenient to edit)

[sage crag]

editor graph editor (with edit)

[tender river]

current ideas for editor
display code as text
display code as ui elements (dropdown boxes, knobs, anything really)
have editor control some non-persistent state (like sound volume or font theme)

[sage crag]

procedural editor UI

sppoky

[tender river]

lisp machines and smalltalk me use neither not care 🐸

me goal is be useful for many different applications like livecoding music or creating visualizations

not all types of data are convenient to modify as text so a flexible editor should support more

[sage crag]

iu

/iu/.jpg

[noble zodiac]

orca is peak livecoding music

[sage crag]

orca screenreader

screenreaders good cool

[tender river]

orca whale

whales good

[tender river]

me only ever try tidalcycles feel like it could be so much better

[sage crag]

ie

[tender river]

langdevs have no ambition

[sage crag]

orca whale

but

orca dolphin

[tender river]

true

[sage crag]

phylogentetteticcs

[noble zodiac]

https://100r.co/site/orca.html

[sage crag]

100r.co

must be a cheap domain name

[rigid snow]

livecoding music too convoluted and probably limited

[tender river]

some may say me vm+editor+etc thing scope creep
couldnt be further from the truth
me not make
language for networking
language for osdev
language for gamedev
me only make
language for editing and generating output from what was edited

[rigid snow]

(scared to try new thing)

[tender river]

theres a lot of different livecoding frameworks https://github.com/toplap/awesome-livecoding

[sage crag]

live coding

of course i am

i not dead yet

[rigid snow]

no i talking about the concept itself

[sage crag]

2

[rigid snow]

HOLY 281

[tender river]

https://strudel.cc/

[sage crag]

repl

repl

repr

repr

identical

[tender river]

anyway i do agree its limited but not until i make it better

[rigid snow]

if you think it's limited then it is very very very limited

for me

[tender river]

no i just think its not for making tracks its only for livecoding you wont get polished result the point is trying things and throwing them away 5 seconds later

[sage crag]

user@linux ~> konii-repl
konii NG_0.0.1 repl
>
> e ee
eee
> exit
nrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr program interrupted (SIGINT)↲
user@linux ~>

[tender river]

like just watch demos on yt to see what you can do

[rigid snow]

i get the live part, what i mean is live performance stuff is usually way more capable

[sage crag]

road of resistance

resistance

[rigid snow]

for example ableton live called that for a reason

[rigid snow]

ye i saw

🪚

[sage crag]

god-ish

[rigid snow]

osu song spam again

MODS

[sage crag]

tu-turu-tu-tu-turu

(fuu)

[tender river]

well you wont get random vsts in there

[sage crag]

visual studio toad

[tender river]

i think it has roughly similar (but very different) appeal to retro trackers

[sage crag]

im sorry for giggling

[tender river]

you are not forgiven you will bear this sin for the rest of your life

[olive sable]

awawawawa

[sage crag]

wrong

i am forgiven because

i picked up an ant with a stick and

put it down again

[rigid snow]

i see it

[tender river]

you wont get off so easily next time enjoy your forgiveness

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

but no one is talking about trackers like the best thing ever compared to livecoding

[tender river]

i mean nobody says livecoding best thing ever either

[rigid snow]

people just excited because new thing

well "new"

newly popular

konii why deleted addon

were the other 300-something build deps

[tender river]

269

[rigid snow]

bad memory

[sage crag]

14gb ram

usage

too much

[rigid snow]

ram very cheap

buy more

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

🐏 very cheep

[sage crag]

i will buy

700

[rigid snow]

very sheep

[sage crag]

🔍

nyan tte ite

[rigid snow]

why did i type that last time i was here from a cellular device

[tender river]

iwanai

[warped narwhal]

🌩️

[stray dragon]

why is text bar so small....

[warped narwhal]

🔮

[sage crag]

ball of
lightning

reasonable

me think

[rigid snow]

not focused

[stray dragon]

who needs apps or nitro button there

[rigid snow]

does that

[tender river]

discord

[sage crag]

sou ka

[rigid snow]

oh also small display

iphone 13 mini

[tender river]

sou yo

[stray dragon]

i see

[sage crag]

🔪

[tender river]

wakatta kara wakatta kara

nyan

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

kid named rule 10:

[sage crag]

roman alphabet means english

[tender river]

this is english

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

me not know other language

how would i type it

[sage crag]

me monolingual

evidence: british

hot-reloadable language

compile fast

incremental

config is just source file

[tender river]

ye that me working on 🐸

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

gorm.io/driver/sqlite/sqlite.go:100:22: invalid operation: limit.Limit > 0 (mismatched types *int and untyped int)
ok

[sage crag]

gormio driver

obvious malware

remove gormio drivers at once

[rigid snow]

go project not compile -> riir

[tender river]

rr if want to explore that (probably not) theres two ways of making stuff hot reloadable
making state ephemeral (can throw away at any point and restart with fresh state with no issues)
or making state persistent (can store and load back at any time)
sound obvious but not

[sage crag]

state persistence requires memory format to be durable across compilations

state ephemeral requires program to be uuh

smart or something

[tender river]

kind of you can add migrations

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

what if resulting rust project not compile too

[sage crag]

migrations for hot reload mm

make sense ye

[tender river]

riihaskell

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

ri i haskell

who is ri

who is haskell

[tender river]

who is you

[sage crag]

"who is you"

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

judging esl speakers

[olive sable]

baba is you

[sage crag]

ye me evil

evil oo ee oo

[rigid snow]

konii you're done

[sage crag]

hiding in your wifi

[olive sable]

jokes on you, i use lan

[tender river]

wifi still lan

[sage crag]

you hav stupid

wifi still lan

wifi actually lan only

[olive sable]

wifi is wireless fireless

[sage crag]

isp connect your wifi to wan

[rigid snow]

what if wifi hotspot to wan

is possible i think

[tender river]

not hard ye

but isp say wtf who this mac

[sage crag]

wtf who this mac

damn it caught again

[rigid snow]

isp looking at mac

[tender river]

i mean only way of ensuring only one device per customer and most reasonable way of assigning static ip

[sage crag]

isp bad

isp explod

[rigid snow]

connect with only one device

[tender river]

yee should work then as long as said devices mac is registered by isp

[rigid snow]

i don't think every isp does

[tender river]

mm

ones without static ips might not

just dhcp allocate fresh address each time

customer connecting 256 devices from single home

[rigid snow]

maybe they actually do but as soon as one disconnects and other reconnects they reregister silently

[tender river]

how would that work

[rigid snow]

new mac -> reassign ip and throw old mac out

[sage crag]

ipv6

[tender river]

only work if every user connected via separate link

sound annoying

[sage crag]

me idea

[rigid snow]

i did not think of that

[sage crag]

every device is

set on fire

and put in a

pit

[rigid snow]

large pit

10km deep

[rough bloom]

my ISP not check MAC address
has PPP tunnel instead, can assign IP and other stuff based on credentials

dunno how it works for fiber

[rigid snow]

true ppp

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-Point_Protocol

PPP is used on former dial-up networking lines

oh PPPoE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-Point_Protocol_over_Ethernet

[rough bloom]

ye same thing

[tender river]

ye i see

me have fiber only used ppp as a child

[rough bloom]

me still on DSL

[rigid snow]

More recently, some GPON-based (instead of DSL-based) residential gateways also use PPPoE, although the status of PPPoE in the GPON standards is marginal though mentioned in ITU-T recommendation G.984.1 "Gigabit-capable passive optical networks (GPON): General characteristics".

[tender river]

dw me still only 100mbps

[rigid snow]

though i do not understand where it comes in

oh i get it nvm

fiber sometimes ppp too

[tender river]

[sage crag]

fibre

[sage crag]

vdsl

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

me on vdsl

also

[tender river]

VDSL offers speeds of up to 52 Mbit/s downstream and 16 Mbit/s upstream

[sage crag]

it stands for

very high-speed dsl

[tender river]

ye i mean

better than adsl

[rough bloom]

VDSL2 does 200 Mbit/s

[sage crag]

me internet

28 down 5 up usually

[tender river]

thats reasonably fast

[sage crag]

if isp low activity me go up to

35 down 8 up

[tender river]

up so low

[sage crag]

latency usually 80-90ms download

and infinite on upload

because it just keep increasing over time

[rough bloom]

ye kinda insane given that it's running over ancient phone line

[sage crag]

have seen 2000+ ms latency when uploading

me think me isp is throttling my connection

[rigid snow]

In GPON, the ISP knows "you are you" through a hardware-locked, whitelisted ONT identifier (SN/LOID) at the physical layer. Your traffic is then perfectly isolated in virtual containers (GEM Ports) on the shared fiber. Finally, DHCP Option 82 relays that hardware identity to the network system to assign the correct IP and service policy. It's a much more robust and provider-controlled system than simple MAC registration on an Ethernet line.

[tender river]

fjsioefms

mhm

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421123912720187512/1425566113755959386/neuroCatModeOff.webp

[tender river]

much more robust and provider-controlled
glad me not have that

[rough bloom]

option 82
very good name, good protocol

using ONT identifier sounds okay
basically same as MAC address

[rigid snow]

but it's hardware locked

[tender river]

tlv with integer keys always like that russian fiscal data format also tlv so options also sometimes referred by number not name

me know too much about fiscal data format because make rust library for parsing and serializing it https://github.com/chayleaf/coop-fd/blob/master/fiscal-data/

[rigid snow]

afaik yeah with fiber you swapping the box (? gateway?) is way way harder
if you're a residential customer basically impossible to get them to register your own

[rough bloom]

seems fine as long as you can still put it into stupid modem mode

[tender river]

peak programming

[rigid snow]

is that serialized each time what

[tender river]

no its just for type safe field access

.get<OfdUrl>() returns Option<String> or whatever

[rigid snow]

no like why is it in the data

[tender river]

not remember 🐸

[olive sable]

🐸

[tender river]

oh ye no idea

but its there

well fns website is but ofd website isnt

[rigid snow]

just hardcode it

[tender river]

me include all tags even deprecated have to search for early versions of the format and vendor implementations who saw early drafts

also tlv format not even something you can encounter even willingly only 1 ofd gave it out of the ones i saw (i think)

i wanted fiscal data parsing and decided to go all the way even if i knew it wasnt a good idea

[tender river]

it just say this in all fiscal data

[rigid snow]

that's why i said that

hardcode it

[tender river]

wait not all

some omit it

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1439744591837266041/autismu.gif

[rigid snow]

oh omit

[tender river]

ye me thinnk the kkt (the uuuh point of sale terminal) include it

but why include not know

[sage crag]

🔍

[tender river]

documents say must always include except in autonomous mode

[rigid snow]

maybe field for when they change it

[tender river]

what if they want to introduce second fns

[rigid snow]

what does that mean

[tender river]

multiple ofds exist why cant multiple fnses exist

translation
ofd = operator of fiscal data (collects fiscal data from points of sale and sends to russian irs)
fns = russian irs

[sage crag]

second functions

it when

two(one())

[tender river]

two $ one ()
one () |> two
(two . one) ()
(one >> two) ()

[sage crag]

boring

((two one) a) b)

[maiden geyser]

two'(one())*one'()

[sage crag]

aesthetically unappealing

reject

[tender river]

a b

who

[rigid snow]

difficult to explain because i lack the terminology in english but basically fns is a govt agency while an ofd is a type of company (non-governmental, operate on a license, basically same as banks and insurance companies) that store and send fiscal data to the fns

[sage crag]

abba

axis baligned bounding aox

[tender river]

me know

[rigid snow]

why would fns undergo mitosis

[tender river]

which axis not clear

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

that one

[tender river]

make life exciting 🐸

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-musume-uma-musume-pretty-derby-ウマ-gif-12050165057811679928

[tender river]

me rotate around that axis please pick another

[sage crag]

no

me axis not have accessibility

please find another axis

[sick owl]

Ouch

[tender river]

i refuse

make new axis

[sage crag]

ok pay for axis

[tender river]

no

[sage crag]

ok no axis

[rigid snow]

4170326076552764 04/29 260
what do i get

[sage crag]

me govt

revoke your axis permission

[tender river]

[sage crag]

you get your money stolen

[sage crag]

[empty rivet]

that's rough

[sage crag]

NOT revolt against govt on axis equity reasons

I WILL declare martial law

some people have many axis some people just have one

[tender river]

i have zero

[olive sable]

what is martial law?
what makes it differnt from regular law?

[sage crag]

if you want more axis contribute to society

[sage crag]

it law but basically

[sick owl]

Its martial

[sage crag]

me have the might of the military

[maiden geyser]

execution on the spot

[olive sable]

oh

[sage crag]

get job

buy new axis

[rigid snow]

chay is 0d

[tender river]

i can meow

[sage crag]

hm

hm

[olive sable]

chay is an empty?

[sage crag]

axis price go up you know

inflation

[rigid snow]

i guess you can say that

[sage crag]

no you cannot

[olive sable]

i can