programming

[glad path]

if only

i think

steam runs on my laptop anyways

i dont really know what the difference would be

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/FEX-Emu/FEX

[glad path]

is rosetta 2 closed source

[fast pagoda]

valve put this out because they are slapping steamos on their headset

which is arm

[glad path]

yo wtf

[fast pagoda]

kekw

[glad path]

hell fucking no

im never installing tahoe

[fast pagoda]

apple move

15 years will come soon enoguh and then apple will change architectures again so dont worry

[nocturne olive]

Did it work?

[glad path]

lmfao

anyhow

[fast pagoda]

soon enough youll be able to get your RISC-V based w/ apple secret spooky sauce computer

[glad path]

there's a reason I don't like installing updates

[fast pagoda]

when they swap because they cant help but swap the entire system architecture every 15 years

[glad path]

minor versions are fine, but I do not like bumping up a major version

[fast pagoda]

see on other systems generally it isn't a huge deal at least to me

the only one that is really rough has been win11 but it's windows

but theyre really just doing the same thing apple does which is cut the limb off rather than let it bleed

it's just horrible to anyone used to anything else because that's not usually how non-apple stuff works

[glad path]

rosetta 2 is just such a useful thing to have

[fast pagoda]

bit of an exaggeration to say that it never works like that but yeah ive not often experienced a total chopping off of support or total removal of things without the ability or option to return to the previous status quo

[glad path]

the issue is that you're losing support for quite a lot

x86 is still like

[fast pagoda]

yeah no that sounds like a dogshit change in every way except making it less effort for them

[glad path]

practically a standard

so

[fast pagoda]

practically

[glad path]

just fucking maintain it

don't make the community do it themselves

[fast pagoda]

tim apple decrees it

they probably asked apple intelligence for help with that decision

[glad path]

can we get new appl ceo

and boblox ceo

[sage crag]

neury

[glad path]

neurosama ahh decision

[fast pagoda]

i'd like palantir's ceo to be ceo of everything and do pushups on stage while announcing everything

im so tired of news articles that are obviously a fat turd laid by the most corporate of LLMs available

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

Why This Matters
Because it's annoying to read and stinky

[glad path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1442391241181499522/yum.gif

gn

[sage crag]

[patent shard]

https://model-architectures.github.io/GRAPE/
Always math involved

[tender river]

watch the linus/linus video

he mentioned ai in there

("he" being linus, obviously)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfv0V1SxbNA

[sage crag]

gnu/linux linus/linus

[nocturne olive]

There's definitely a difference, one is lai-nus and the other is li-nus

Since Finnish vs whatever the other one is

[lost hill]

Watch the video and the podcast episode about it. They have actually learnt that Linus pronounces it as Linus in English, and so does Linus. So they are spelt identically in English.

(They asked Linus)

[nocturne olive]

In English yes, but Finnish says it differently I'm pretty sure

[lost hill]

Yeah, they have cornered Linus Torvalds on it.

Both Linuses would be pronounced identically in English, and then also identically in Finnish. It's the difference in the phonologies of the languages, not the names.

So both Linuses pronounce Linus the same throughout the video. There's zero difference in pronunciation

‘Linus Torwards’, smh.

[nocturne olive]

Sil indeed

[rigid snow]

which one

[sage crag]

linus

idiot

[rigid snow]

eeee

[sick owl]

https://techcrunch.com/2025/12/09/openai-anthropic-and-block-join-new-linux-foundation-effort-to-standardize-the-ai-agent-era/

Interesting

Maybe this will help make them less of a security nightmare

[small anvil]

hello programming chat

[olive sable]

Hi

[warped narwhal]

What is everyone's opinion on long main files? Personally I like them over the main function just immediately handing control of to a app class, but I know some of you will probably hate this.

[clear sedge]

i'm impartial, it seems short enough that it's not much of an issue as is

i think it's fine for shorter apps

[tender river]

this is not even long

i just write everything in main unless its like over 2k loc or something or theres some boring helper code

[warped narwhal]

I've had professors in uni get annoyed because I didn't put my 20 line long main function into its own class before

[tender river]

https://github.com/chayleaf/coop-fd/blob/master/src/main.rs

[clear sedge]

almost 600 lines of code

magnificent

[tender river]

this is nothing

https://github.com/chayleaf/notlua/blob/master/default.nix

ok smol hm let me find better one

oo good one https://github.com/chayleaf/notnft/blob/master/default.nix

another one https://github.com/chayleaf/ts2py/blob/master/src/main.rs

[clear sedge]

HOLY

[warped narwhal]

4000 line file is crazy

[clear sedge]

least convoluted nix config

[tender river]

its not a config

its a language

[clear sedge]

[tender river]

that compiles to nftables

[clear sedge]

6.5k of rust

[warped narwhal]

chayleaf is weird and actually uses nix as a programming language

[clear sedge]

in one file

are you mad

[tender river]

[clear sedge]

i think you're mad

[tender river]

its all a bunch of the same so it doesnt warrant separation

essentially what would be a single overloaded function in something like c++

[tender river]

nix is a programming language

people dont realize how barebones nix is

almost everything nixos related is built as a library

not as builtin language features

its a great language imo, shows functional languages can be fun without any types

[clear sedge]

typeless?

i'd rather die

[tender river]

[clear sedge]

explicit static typing supremacy

[tender river]

i dislike the way systems programming languages do types

i also dislike the way oop languages do types

its stupid

they're more like modules or context than types

[clear sedge]

i like how systems programming languages and oop languages do types

minus rust's enums

[tender river]

i think types are good when they give you confidence to build something incredibly complicated that you would fear for your life using otherwise

[clear sedge]

i'd prefer if they were called tagged unions

[tender river]

which is not what c/oop types are

[sage crag]

c style types

restrictive but dont provide many guarantees

[tender river]

its because

language try to be many language

useful for many purpose

good at none

[young plover]

Untyped languages are an abomination. I refuse to write python that doesn't pass pylance's standard mode at least.

[sage crag]

lobotomy

[clear sedge]

i refuse to write python

[sage crag]

python isnt untyped

[clear sedge]

lua is acceptable for configs

python is hell imo

[young plover]

sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do in the corpa world

[tender river]

python good wouldnt use it for anything beyond a few kloc

[sage crag]

python very useful scripting language

due to its ecosystem and prevalence

[clear sedge]

i refuse

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

lua supremacy for anything python claims to be good at

[sage crag]

ML

[clear sedge]

i don't think lua nor python are good for ml

[young plover]

It is kinda neat for things like dynamic MPV configs but that's a wild take.

[sage crag]

python is good for ML because lots of ML frameworks and code examples, without being strict

if you try and write ML in rust, it big headache

[tender river]

python is good for ml because python is basically used as a metaprogramming language for writing gpu code

[clear sedge]

[tender river]

reason python is used is because its a fairly unobtrusive and unopinionated

boring easy to get into for virtually anyone

its not the best you could do, but its the best that exists

[sage crag]

say python unopinionated in 1980s

i remember a quote describing python as esoteric and unintuitive

[tender river]

python in 1980 not exist me neither

[sage crag]

[tender river]

js only 4 years younger than python

[sage crag]

History_of_Python wikipedia article

old logo better

[rigid snow]

"rust" "gets shit done" in one sentence

[sage crag]

it's actually quite good at getting things done

if you use crates.io

[tender river]

rust has huge ecosystem so its pretty easy to use for virtually anything

[sage crag]

me argue that writing things from scratch in rust is actually easier than in c

[rigid snow]

i use it i know it's just
not the language to get shit done in

idk how explain

[sage crag]

it just redistribute the developer hours from debugging runtime problem to debugging compile time problem

make it feel slower to iterate

[warped narwhal]

Supply chain attacks when crates.io and npm walk in

[sage crag]

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/smol-smolcat-smolcatcoin-smol-cat-coin-roswell-gif-5972314891354809109

[tender river]

redistribute developer hours to writing trait bounds

[sage crag]

trait TraitTrait

{}

[warped narwhal]

would you rather spend hours doing trait bounds, or hours doing sfinae metaprogramming in c++?

[tender river]

i would rather spend hours on langdev

[sage crag]

metaprogramming in general is a vile evil

you should not be allowed to

[opaque sigil]

python so bad it had to copy lua for ML

[sage crag]

ml stand for mlua

[tender river]

disagree writing compilers = metaprogramming

[warped narwhal]

The C++ template system is turing complete

[sage crag]

na

[sage crag]

so is rust typesystem

so is typescript typesystem

lots of type system flexible in weird places

[tender river]

c++ metaprogramming not that hard its just dynamically typed so people get confused when get error

[warped narwhal]

c++ errors in general are really bad.

[opaque sigil]

ninja -C build |& wl-copy -> throw at gemini

[warped narwhal]

and old message from me about c++

[rigid snow]

i mean

[warped narwhal]

and this was the solution

[sage crag]

subpixel font rendering

rgb

painful

[tender river]

that what happen when poor metaprogramming features

[sage crag]

look at it

random colour pixel

🔪

[tender river]

good metaprogramming lets you create custom types and inference rules and error messages

[sage crag]

fonts = {
  enableDefaultPackages = lib.mkForce false;
  packages = with pkgs; [ maple-mono.NF-CN noto-fonts-color-emoji noto-fonts-cjk-sans ];
  fontconfig = {
    antialias = true;
    includeUserConf = false;
    hinting = {
      enable = true;
      style = "full";
    };
    subpixel = {
      lcdfilter = "default";
      rgba = "none";
    };
    defaultFonts = let font = [ "Maple Mono NF CN" ];
      in { serif = font; sansSerif = font; monospace = font; };
  };
};

environment.sessionVariables = {
  FREETYPE_PROPERTIES = "autofitter:no-stem-darkening=0 autofitter:darkening-parameters=500,0,1000,500,2500,500,4000,0 cff:no-stem-darkening=0 type1:no-stem-darkening=0 t1cid:no-stem-darkening=0";
  QT_NO_SYNTHESIZED_BOLD = 1;
};

[warped narwhal]

I don't use nixos

[sage crag]

me neither i found this in a shed in the woods

wrr

[tender river]

after using f# and haskell for a while i decided i like significant whitespace

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

🔍

🔍

[opaque sigil]

mag means like in german, fun fact

[sage crag]

🔎

why they have mag_right but not agem

📣 :mega_left: :agem:

dhcpcd

bad

take 11 seconds to boot dhcpcd fault

[tender river]

its just nice when you can avoid {}; and sometimes () you can kind of do it without significant whitespace but i tried it in hblang and it was too prone to misinterpreting the code

[sage crag]

me switch to systemd-networkd

2 seconds

because me not configure wait-network-online :smogfrog:

[opaque sigil]

i remember when they did this with scala 3 and everyone lost their mind

[tender river]

now all code snippet use new syntax

[sage crag]

nyoki

i wonder if systemd-networkd is significantly faster than dhcpcd or if it just wait-network-online

[tender river]

why would it even wait for network

[sage crag]

i do nnot know

it does though, by default

me checked thingies

[tender river]

probably because systemd used on servers

sane default for servers wouldnt want to start a service before your network card boots up or whatever

[sage crag]

https://mynixos.com/nixpkgs/option/networking.dhcpcd.wait

dhdhdhhdhd

also this just in here for some reason

networking.useNetworkd

Whether we should use networkd as the network configuration backend or the legacy script based system. Note that this option is experimental, enable at your own risk.

[tender river]

experimental but everyone say switch

nixos have lots of people who want to push systemd everything understandable because scripted very janky but systemd inflexible me not like

[sage crag]

nixos inseperarabbable for now

ee

do i even need the systemd.network.networks

"you should stay away from that option"

[tender river]

right i remember that

[golden sluice]

Anyone know what is OLAP , DATA warehouse , BI please teach me tomorrows my Exam !

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[golden sluice]

HUH

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-cringe-huh-anime-confused-gif-11602591

[sage crag]

[golden sluice]

plz help me guys

[tender river]

you're better off asking chatgpt

[golden sluice]

i didnt even start yet

[sage crag]

[tender river]

or like... reading whatever reference your teachers/professors gave you

[golden sluice]

Bad at understanding Defination

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-embed-fail-embed-gif-9722294440617564781

[sage crag]

services eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[tender river]

another point in design space ocaml

= for {, ;; for }, ; for ;

in practice ;; is an easy typo to make so not good solution

oh thats what i read from someone looks like it wasnt quite right

https://people.csail.mit.edu/mikelin/ocaml+twt/

this shows how significant whitespace can look much cleaner

i'd maybe prefer lisp style of identation though?

instead of

List.map
  x
  y

do

List.map x
         y

okay but thats like a completely different grammar

List.map x y z
         w

= List.map (x (y z)) w

ye maybe not

lisp style only work with parentheses got it

[sage crag]

levenshtein distance of leaf and chay

probably small

🔍

[tender river]

its 3 is that small

[sage crag]

good question

[olive sable]

[clear sedge]

at least it's better than getting a random Cannot read properties of undefined somewhere

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

yay

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

why were there two instances of hash mismatch

someone playing with git history

[tender river]

finding a new sha1 collision to break file for nix users

[sage crag]

neury

[rigid snow]

who typing

[tender river]

me

[rigid snow]

no there was a person with like

[rigid snow]

zalgo text as their name typimng here

[obsidian mantle]

wtf is zalgo text

[obsidian mantle]

Г

[rigid snow]

gamma (capital) (greek)

oh it's not zalgo

unicode salad

[rotund burrow]

It's from a failed generated string

z5ÊÝV`:léàÜ:
ÌüIáƽÛIÛd¿ÁÀ®¹Ç
tÎþüõ{É=×õªÞ¬
s§½µºOHÑÈÓ {$¶
ªí¨§}³M,æÇþá2ãúï$
ºiµÕWüÑ"µøjü÷yª~Q³Ç
s ¸ðÞãë-Àwµå¬)t®Ý
¤ÞéR  oõè.óà£aÜ©:
R¸/÷]ÌýRGaQyQFZN
óÚðQÙâiÇþ¦Òüm
Þø6Û]EýÖ}9rÛ­
´Þ©3ûóºÇÇ65fI>
æ,3þo]úÿ]OGüÑoæ÷
n5~ £ûÃwÅ]b\H-,[
ä¼LÛd#pÞ =¨À
hkfýä[nê>'ÇÙ¹YÆFÛ
.ñ@sßóe×Èæ÷y¶ëaÂ
ìÙ­pèX'],5s¹p
°ãOü¦º^òÏ_º\ýRï^á

8ZKÿàÃÐY<ÅâÇ Ø

[empty rivet]

I'm pretty sure that if you throw that into a machine it could translate for you

[rotund burrow]

It outputs even more broken

Can't decode if it's broken

local m = 6 -- inches

if #s < m then
    print("shrimp")
end```

[rigid snow]

[rotund burrow]

This

e̶̸̴̷͊

[obsidian mantle]

when you have windows user folder in non-english characters and some program needs to access appdata

i forgot what i was doing when this happened

was it chess related

yes i think

oh no actually it was about skyrim

[rotund burrow]

You can program a zalgo text generator simply

import random

def zg(t, n=20):
    # t = base text like uhh a letter
    # n = intensity
    c = [
        "̇","̈","̄","̅","̑","̉","̊","̋","̌","̍",
        "̎","̏","̐","̓","̔","̕","̚","̛","̡","̢",
        "̧","̨","̤","̥","̦","̩","̪","̫","̬","̭",
        "̮","̯","̰","̱","̲","̳","̴","̵","̶","̷",
        "̸","̀","́","͂","̓","̈́","ͅ","͆","͇","͈",
        "͉","͊","͋","͌","͍","͎","͏","͐","͑","͒"
    ]

    r = ""
    for ch in t:
        x = ch
        for _ in range(n):
            x += random.choice(c)
        r += x
    return r

print(zg("e", 50))```

[rigid snow]

creator of elysiajs in chat

[sick owl]

Pretty sweet maths model just dropped

https://x.com/NousResearch/status/1998536543565127968

Nous Research (@NousResearch)

Today we open source Nomos 1. At just 30B parameters, it scores 87/120 on this year’s Putnam, one of the world’s most prestigious math competitions.

This score would rank #2/3988 in 2024 and marks our first step with @hillclimbai towards creating a SOTA AI mathematician.

X · Dec 9, 2025, 11:33 PM

https://x.com/NousResearch/status/1998536545868120405

Nous Research (@NousResearch)

Nomos 1 achieved an 87/120 with 8 perfect scores, while Qwen3-30ba3b-Thinking-2507 scored 24/120 when run in the same harness under the same conditions, indicating that the performance is largely due to post-training and data quality rather than the harness.

X · Dec 9, 2025, 11:33 PM

They used a three hour cap for each of the two parts, same time limit as competitors

[tender river]

https://youtu.be/DydIhwLrbMk

[rigid snow]

gpt 5.2

100% aime 2025

wtf

[sick owl]

No comparison to Gemini 3 Pro or Opus 4.5 on the model card though ↓

[rigid snow]

i mean

they posted this

[sick owl]

Ah that's more lke it

[rigid snow]

wait let me get the actual

[sick owl]

Okay now it looks good

[fast pagoda]

That's some big leaps on the benchies

[sage crag]

portals musnt bend gravity

owing to the fact that they do not exist

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374684508674330684/1374684509072658442/drumsevil.gif

[fast pagoda]

Can't wait for it to shit out the most garbage emoji filled comments explaining what a variable does

[sick owl]

Forced to endure GPTisms for SOTA performance again

Was a nice break while it lasted

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

did it forget what it is

[nocturne olive]

I'm gonna go with overfitted for benchmarks

[sick owl]

I'd have said the same but that Arc AGI 2 score...

[rigid snow]

wait what the actual fuck

53%

that's crazy

[nocturne olive]

Still some form of brute-force

[sage crag]

1 bet on it being a lobotomised overfit little creature thing

[fast pagoda]

La creatura

I give Claude and gpt the same custom instructions and got comes out a cringe overlord while Claude does what I expect

[sick owl]

I'll go do some testing with my free student inference and report back on it when it rolls out properly

Top critical comment on the announcement post is written by a chatgpt bot

Dead internet

[opaque sigil]

[rigid snow]

knowledge cutoff is aug 31

newly pretrained

[nocturne olive]

OpenAI should bankrupt already

[rigid snow]

dw that's their plan i'm pretty sure

bubble bursts -> us govt saves them -> everyone else dead, no competition

[sick owl]

Not Gemini 3 sneaking in a switch to Googles DNS servers at the end of the command list in a router troubleshooting query 💀

That's shady af

[tender river]

hashtag ad

[true hemlock]

wtf is this overfitted ahh bench

[rigid snow]

wtf since when does vscode have autofill in the terminal

[tender river]

good ui

[opaque sigil]

quite a while but they only recently made it opt-out

[tender river]

hello yes it me c++

can you tell im going insane

@clear sedge do you like my c++

[true hemlock]

to whoever prompted gemini to write "neuro.pdf" and "neuro2.pdf" papers, i thank u for curing my miserable morning with comedy.
-# side effects i may have gotten an aneurysm or two

[opaque sigil]

it was great, you should've been here for that

[amber fractal]

It really was a show

I enjoyed tearing into the papers

[true hemlock]

Programming late show

[trim valve]

I was gonna observe then fell asleep

[true hemlock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/911188046592999455/952797279067193374/birbsmolpanic.gif

[clear sedge]

thanks i hate it

[olive sable]

Awawawa

[obsidian mantle]

what does "let" really do

[rigid snow]

macro for auto

i assume

[obsidian mantle]

oh that would make sense

but it doesnt explain why

[clear sedge]

it lets things be

[obsidian mantle]

so its just auto

since we need datatype for declaration

and here we dont specify it

so auto

[clear sedge]

#define let size_t

:D

[obsidian mantle]

in lisp scheme it was a way to declare local var

not exactly i think but i didnt grasp it entirely

[olive sable]

im tired

[trim valve]

aren't we all

[olive sable]

iron lung is in theatres jan 30th

[tender river]

chayleaf is

not in theatres

for now

[olive sable]

we should change that

let me invest 50 bucks

[obsidian mantle]

water

[simple sky]

Is all of network science really just the equation (N * (N - 1)) / 2?

[opaque sigil]

isn't that the upper bound on the number of edges in a (directed?) graph

[olive sable]

something like that iirc ye

[opaque sigil]

or undirected i don't remember, one of those two

[tender river]

undirected

directed is just N^2

[simple sky]

undirected

[opaque sigil]

guess it has to be limited to one connection between each pair too, forgot what that's called

[olive sable]

unique combinations when choosing 2 items from a set of size N

[simple sky]

It pops up EVERYWHERE though

[opaque sigil]

well it's kind of the worst case for all graph algorithms on undirected graphs so makes sense

[simple sky]

Also, chat gpt taught me an extremely easy way to calculate the clustering coefficient, but it's chatgpt so I'm suspicious of it

(Actual number of links) / (N * (N - 1)) / 2)

[olive sable]

ye

[simple sky]

that's correct?

[olive sable]

idk

is that not density?

i think clustering coefficient is only between neighbors?

[opaque sigil]

these are solved problems, just check wikipedia or sth

[olive sable]

been a while since i had graph theory

[olive sable]

checking the solution is boring and not fun at all

[tender river]

clang-format uses lisp style identation for function calls

i honestly really like the clang-format style its reasonably compact

[simple sky]

I'm studying for an exam. solving these problems helps me study

[opaque sigil]

ah

[opaque sigil]

that's just because they use the llvm style by default

[clear sedge]

"solved problem"-ism is a boring way to view software development imo

[trim valve]

its a good way to avoid reinventing the wheel as a square though

[simple sky]

I don't even know if I want to go into software development. College has killed any passion I had in programming

[clear sedge]

reinvent the wheel and mess up, it's only natural
do it again and again
perfect it
fully understand the wheel

[trim valve]

eeeh

[simple sky]

well true, but Academia is different from IRL.

I'm being tested on how to make the wheel

[trim valve]

I am incined to agree in some cases

sure, that's a valid case for understanding the wheel

but its not always a good option, sometimes you just need a wheel

[clear sedge]

if you want to program for results, don't reinvent the wheel
if you want to program for fun, reinvent any part of the wheel or parts around it you find most fascinating

"make games, not game engines" only applies if you want to make games instead of game engines
sometimes you just wanna make a game engine for funsies

just because a ton of game engines exist doesn't mean you can't approach it in a unique way or learn something from it

or.. just plain have fun

[trim valve]

yeah

[clear sedge]

academia often has students leaving with a bitter taste in their mouths for some reasons

as an example, i'm inclined to believe most people who hate java are either uninformed or former college students that have had to learn a framework together with it
doesn't mean everyone is, but anti-java rhetoric only really applies to java 6 atp

[red remnant]

So , um idk if this would be possible but would there be a way to program a bot or somthing

That might be able to give my mute firend a voice?

[clear sedge]

there's mute vtubers who use tts or vocal synthesisers

i'm not sure how you'd go about it

but it is possible as long as they're fine typing on a phone or something

[simple sky]

It's so bad I don't even know if I want to become a programmer.

I've been looking at doing consulting over programming

[trim valve]

at uni there's a lot of people who seemingly hate the coursework because they view it as work instead of like, a fun exercise

[clear sedge]

correct

[red remnant]

Alright , thank you very much

[trim valve]

I hate it because the professor writes shitty specs

[simple sky]

I've never really coded for fun before though

[clear sedge]

bad teachers or schoolwork will have you feeling that way yeah

or just the wrong mindset

look into developing a mod for a game

[trim valve]

I want to get back into it, just had no time

[simple sky]

And like, whenever I open an IDE, I feel nothing but immense dread

[clear sedge]

fam it sounds like you need a break

that's called burnout and anxiety

[trim valve]

[simple sky]

Haha, wish I could take a break

[trim valve]

for me it was adhd I think

[simple sky]

Autism 🙋‍♂️

[clear sedge]

i definitely have a few flavors of anxiety but haven't gotten tested for adhd yet

[trim valve]

oh yeah that factors into mine too 😭

[clear sedge]

my ocd specifically contributes a lot into how i write code and which languages i like

[trim valve]

my main hint was that I can stay up until 4am if I'm doing something I enjoy

but I can't read if I try and do coursework that I'm not interested in

[simple sky]

IDK, I just want to not have to worry about algorithms anymore

or data structures

[clear sedge]

listen, just make minecraft mods or something
drink the koolaid with me
it's way more fun once you do something cool like that

[clear sedge]

my brain flip flops between "time to get everything possible done right now" and "okay i can't do jack shit i don't wanna move i wanna lay in bed" all the time

[tender river]

personally i hate java because the average java codebase is a proxy adapter hell full of 10 line files

im sure java can be fun if you just disregard best practices and stuff but its just not for me

[clear sedge]

java is very fun in the way i program it

the more you abstract it, the more enterprise it becomes, the less fun it becomes

[tender river]

theres plenty of missing features too but thats not particular to java

scala is java if it was good

[clear sedge]

i wish java had structs

[vapid pulsar]

Tis not a C after all

[opaque sigil]

records?

close enough

[clear sedge]

immutable structs

not good enough

[tender river]

i read code much more than write so for me a language is mostly defined by what i see written in it

[opaque sigil]

i guess there's also normal class + lombok but there's the 2nd half of it soooo

[clear sedge]

you could just make everything in a class public

i do that for basic java beans and treat them as structs

in certain scenarios

not always

technically they wouldn't be java beans but still, jakarta has no problems treating them as such

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[olive sable]

what the hell is a snecklang integer?

[trim valve]

lol is that another name for python

[olive sable]

i wouldnt know

its onscreen in the boot.dev sponsor segment for 0.2 seconds

[trim valve]

hm

[opaque sigil]

pretty sure it's just a made up language as part of their course

or well

you're making a language

[trim valve]

it sounds like a "reimplement Cpython integer"

[tender river]

python ints are interned

up to 256 but maybe all of them dont remember

[clear sedge]

i think it's literally just

struct sneklang_int {
  struct sneklang_metadata meta;
  int value;
};```
but allocated on the heap

[opaque sigil]

[-5, 256] yeah

rest is saved as a linked list in base 2^32

[olive sable]

[clear sedge]

hmmmm

[opaque sigil]

why are we looking at 999

[tender river]

big number

[trim valve]

assert int(1) + 2 is 3
assert int(100) + 200 is not 300

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

parens

[trim valve]

(int call needed because literal folding is funny)

[clear sedge]

nop

[rigid snow]

https://fxtwitter.com/reactjs/status/1999217365628903739 oh hell nah

React (@reactjs)

Researchers have found two new vulnerabilities in React Server Components while attempting to exploit the patches last week.
︀︀
︀︀These are new issues, separate from the critical CVE last week. The patch for React2Shell remains effective for the Remote Code Execution exploit.

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FxTwitter · Dec 11, 2025, 8:38 PM

this is the end of js

burn the whole thing down

[tender river]

[rough bloom]

again

not RCE at least

[opaque sigil]

only DoS

[rigid snow]

• Denial of Service (High): CVE-2025-55184
• Source Code Exposure (Medium): CVE-2025-55183

[jagged turtle]

[rigid snow]

like i just finished updating all of my stuff

[jagged turtle]

R/ACE + DoS + source code surfacing as well

[rigid snow]

at least not rce ye

[jagged turtle]

lovely week for react devs

*rsc devs

[rigid snow]

rcs is goated

rsc

[tender river]

rce

[clear sedge]

rice

[jagged turtle]

react server execution

my vscode extensions aren't updating

[rigid snow]

perfect ui

[jagged turtle]

https://github.com/SAWARATSUKI/KawaiiLogos surprised python hasn't been drawn

[sick owl]

Okay nerds, gimme some test questions

Lets see if this thing is benchmaxxed

[trim valve]

my usual go-to is something with the ffmpeg C library

I haven't had any good answers from LLMs when I've tried

[sick owl]

Two breads

[young plover]

oh god
no mortal or machine knows how to use that

It says a lot when nearly every ffmpeg binding just launches the executable.

[trim valve]

[trim valve]

iirc part of it is licencing stuff too

[young plover]

Ah GPL

[trim valve]

imo the library is cool, just very hard to learn to use

[sick owl]

I must admit I've never even touched it with a ten foot pole

If you have the questions that they usually struggle on shoot em over

[trim valve]

I mean by usual go-to llm benchmark is something nonsensical like "compare the pros and cons of yuv420 and rgb420"

because only one of those is real

besides that, idk. ffmpeg stuff is kinda funky

I remember having significant issues trying to do something like "offset every other line by 1/2 a frame, and double the framerate (but keep the same speed) using the ffmpeg cli"

[olive sable]

blender 5.0 has these things apparentl

repeat is 4.0, but closure is new i think

[umbral thorn]

[trim valve]

you should check the changelog videos, they're very well made

[umbral thorn]

should try blender sometime

[olive sable]

most of the ai 3d models are just not it

[umbral thorn]

wtf demoted to clanka

[olive sable]

you saw nothing

[umbral thorn]

[young plover]

The smart answer would be that rgb420 doesn't exist, but a grb420 planar format is theoretically reasonable

if better planar formats didn't already exist

[umbral thorn]

[olive sable]

this one went around the school discord. not only is the topology inefficient, the texture is even worse. it has eyes on its legs

ah yes, me when i texture a mouth

[umbral thorn]

ai slop

[rigid snow]

still have to retopo

i’d treat ai generated models like photogrammetry scans or something

[olive sable]

you could retopo some of them

others are just too far gone

[rigid snow]

obviously no point in retopoing a model that doesn't make sense

or throw dynamic lod on it

nanite

turn on every available ue feature actually

install some addons too

[olive sable]

oh god

[rigid snow]

Ultimate Slop: The Game

also surely there is a retopo model

[silent cloak]

nice looking node graph

[rigid snow]

seems like the first thing to replace with ai in gamedev

even above any code

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

there are apparently

they look good but i am no expert on topology

so maybe they actually suck

[silent cloak]

its results are comparable to a compression algorithm for video

more artifacts and merges the more u lower it

at least on models ive tested for retop

[olive sable]

i am

show please

i wouldn't call myself an expert actually but im experienced and educated on topology

[rigid snow]

idk if any of those i found are actually ml

doesn't seem so

[simple sky]

haha, my network science final assignment requires a minimum of 20k twitter entries.

The dataset I downloaded from their database has 700k entries

I think I need to narrow my scope, cause it took 12 minutes to parse all that information.

[jagged turtle]

vercel

yes vercel I get it I need to care about a framework I only have partial interest in

[silent cloak]

Write a faster parser

https://tenor.com/view/knut-typing-gif-19884429

[echo hemlock]

Any news of whether there's a game jam this time around?

[olive sable]

nope

but if there isnt we're doing one ourself

[amber fractal]

at least point them to the thread smh https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1336984748882399242

[stray dragon]

i love <generic> with a side of <generic>

and the <generic>

[glad path]

yum

i sure do love me a good 1x Outside Food Fee (w/ Food +$5) (w/ Ice Cream +$6) (side of French Fries) 1x Large Drink (w/ Extra Ice +$0.25) (w/ Food +$5) (w/ Ice Cream +$6) (side of Outside Food Fee)

[sage crag]

Eggs!

[tender river]

meow

[sage crag]

i found out what the issue with the osu-mime is

i was wondering why i got a different hash back every time i ran it

[tender river]

anubis

tho anubis should normally allow curl user agent i think

[sage crag]

:bwaadow:

wrr

[sage crag]

i cant find any mention of similar happening online

so maybe my ip range has been marked as a bot

maybe thats why i keep getting rate-limited on github and gitlab

[tender river]

or maybe you are a bot

[sage crag]

to be clear the link works in browser

[tender river]

probably arch using custom config

shuukura

[sage crag]

me pressed button by accident

cant read button you see

[sage crag]

https://github.com/fufexan/nix-gaming/blob/master/pkgs/osu-mime/default.nix
if they didnt depend on stupid aur

would be no problem

[tender river]

download file include as is

[sage crag]

[tender river]

or git clone aur works too

[sage crag]

whole aur

[tender river]

[sage crag]

me become aur mirror

[tender river]

na nixpkgss do shallow checkout by default
-# hopefully

[sage crag]

srcs = [
  (fetchurl {
    url = "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ppy/osu-web/${osu-web-rev}/public/images/layout/osu-logo-triangles.svg";
    sha256 = "4a6vm4H6iOmysy1/fDV6PyfIjfd1/BnB5LZa3Z2noa8=";
  })
  (fetchurl {
    url = "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ppy/osu-web/${osu-web-rev}/public/images/layout/osu-logo-white.svg";
    sha256 = "XvYBIGyvTTfMAozMP9gmr3uYEJaMcvMaIzwO7ZILrkY=";
  })
  (fetchurl {
    url = "https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/plain/osu-file-extensions.xml?h=osu-mime&id=${osu-mime-spec-rev}";
    sha256 = "vAg2ilU+ITaE3KSYKAAqbqq9+M2pTXFp/dSyzWgtNiY=";
  })
];

they did it in really annoying way

[tender river]

true!

lib.init srcs ++ [ (something something) ]

also

why use language cant read

download yomitan

now

me can send dictionary

[sage crag]

me can read just cant understand :smogfrog:

[tender river]

that what dictionary for

[sage crag]

dictionary

effort

me lazy, make me own dictionary

[tender river]

no effort just hover over word

[sage crag]

effort

[tender river]

[sage crag]

automod

ok

me avoiding cross-language word association

[tender river]

only bad single word dictionary work that way

if explain with full definition no issue

[sage crag]

dont want to translate in me head

seem annoying

[tender river]

just not do

dum

[sage crag]

automatic

dum

[tender river]

initial stage should focus on understanding at all

can switch monolingual dict later

[sage crag]

personally me dont want EN translation at all
bad:

月<-moon
good:
月<-🌕

[tender river]

basically imo you're trying to avoid a problem that only exists due to lack of experience and not any particular method of learning

[sage crag]

me not care about established methods of learning languages

me stubborn

[tender river]

theres no method you just understand language get better at understanding it

not understand not get better

[sage crag]

me think leaf not understand

oh me learn this word also

葉<-🍃

[tender river]

true!

[sage crag]

osmosis

me learn

[tender river]

dictionary also needed to know pronunciation though syllables and pitch accent

[sage crag]

me not care about speaking yet

that come later

no point try speak if i cant even read

[tender river]

baby:

[sage crag]

they dum

me not

[tender river]

[sage crag]

reading is more practical skill for me to have than listening or speaking

[tender river]

tying it all together still helps by letting your brains create more associations me brain read word know how to pronounce it

think concept i only know in one language - brain force language switch

[tender river]

or in english

write word can tpyo as similar pronounced word

[sage crag]

wrr

me learn in my way

maybe take 20 years

not care

smogfrog persist

[tender river]

[sage crag]

this how i learn everything anyway

[tender river]

you can just get a monolingual dictionary immediately still help

[sage crag]

me learned spanish traditional way and it took me years to still be bad at spanish

wrr

[tender river]

school not teach anything

worst way learn language

[obsidian mantle]

i think practice is the key

[sage crag]

me making kanji dictionary

whenever me pick up new kanji me put in dictionary

[tender river]

at some point they are very removed from literal meaning but good luck

[sage crag]

月month 月moon

also 月month (of the calendar year) 月month (unit of time)

tsuki tsuki getsu

weird

all weird

so much weird

[tender river]

exact method not matter much anyway can watch unsubbed anime for 1000 hours get reasonably good at japanese as long as you pay attention

[sage crag]

me not do that

most anime make me want to explod

[tender river]

some method just get faster results by piggy backing off existing knowledge

[tender river]

same me not watch anime anymore

[sage crag]

me watching & transcribing simple conversations

[sage crag]

me waiting for shuukura anime

[tender river]

me do think learning grammar mostly useless dont remember anything about english grammar can write just fine

language school spend too much time on it

[sage crag]

wrr

me youtube converted itself entirely after i watched a few conversation videos

all video titles i cannot understand

[tender river]

not sure if i should learn german or chinese next or nothing

[sage crag]

make own language

duh

[tender river]

[sage crag]

langdev

[tender river]

typed spoken language

[sage crag]

esolang

[obsidian mantle]

I like how monday and sunday are exactly sun-day and moon-day

Who stole from who

Is it a universal thing

[sage crag]

all of the names of the days of the week come from celestial bodies

[obsidian mantle]

Not in russian at least

Yeah but

[sage crag]

why would it be the case in russian

me not mention russian

[obsidian mantle]

Tuesday is fire-day
Wednesday is water-day

[sage crag]

to be clear, english doesnt follow this rule either

[obsidian mantle]

Tree day
Gold day
Earth day

[sage crag]

its simply in the majority of languages, stemming from babylonian system ee

[obsidian mantle]

Yeah but monday-sunday are the same in english and japanese

Which is weird

[obsidian mantle]

Babylonian

I have troubles studying grammar for some reason

[sage crag]

only monday and sunday

[obsidian mantle]

Needs good practice i think

[tender river]

fire = mars

[obsidian mantle]

Yes but why

[sage crag]

linguistics history

[obsidian mantle]

is it

[tender river]

it is

火星

[obsidian mantle]

Let me guess

Kasei

[tender river]

[obsidian mantle]

Wtf

Oh ye its kasei

What the hell is that os embedded translator

[sage crag]

according to wikipedia, china used the babylonian days of the week (or more accurately, the roman ones)

[tender river]

yomitan

oh right

[obsidian mantle]

China of course

[tender river]

you dont use browser discord

[sage crag]

those same words in japanese also

[tender river]

me use browser discord can freely use any extension

[obsidian mantle]

Right...

[sage crag]

in fact judging based on these translations its actually consistent across russian too

[obsidian mantle]

Nah they are not

Maybe in ancient times before baptism

[sage crag]

tuesday: mars - fire
wednesday: mercury - water
thursday: jupiter - wood
friday: venus - gold
saturday: saturn - earth

[sage crag]

you ask where thing come from me tell you

[obsidian mantle]

Because currently sunday is resurrection-day

Thursday and friday are straight 4th-day and 5th-day

Same with Tuesday

Wednesday is middle-day i think

No celestial bodies involved

[sage crag]

english days come from babylonian system and norse mythology

[tender river]

ponedelnik = day after sunday apparently? uh idk why wikipedia say that it probably have reason but it can be interpreted by me (qualified professional) as "every week" which makes so much more sense
vtornik = 2
sreda = middle
chetverg = 4
pyatnitsa = 5
subbota = sabbath
voskresenye = resurrection day

[sage crag]

me thought you said otherwise, oh well

[obsidian mantle]

I was talking about this

That its consistent across russian

[sage crag]

that what me said

[obsidian mantle]

But its not

[sage crag]

ye you already said

[obsidian mantle]

Ok

Konii can you solve arg for us please

[sage crag]

no

me not smart

[tender river]

rotate rotate

[obsidian mantle]

There is cool number cryptography puzzle

Involving programming

[sage crag]

puzzles are for smart people with patience

[tender river]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GoMVatJbYAAoBtf.gif

[sage crag]

me neither

pasokon

[tender river]

me work on vm for 5 minute want to quit working out theoretical concepts so boring

[sage crag]

neury

me have 3 step plan for replacing the word ecosystem of software

it secret i cant tell you that it exists

[tender river]

me have 1 step plan already on final step

[tender river]

[sage crag]

me on first step also

the future will be dark

[tender river]

true

oo me remember third function of types

discoverability

[sage crag]

ctrl f type

[tender river]

lsp help highlight valid operations autocomplete etc

programmers have 3 different thing all call type

stupid

[sage crag]

me thinking about practices i want to use in me os

[tender river]

kind of like dropdown box

[sage crag]

me think of going one of two ways:

1. there will be one programming language, one ui framework, one browser, etc, and you WILL use
2. there will be protocol designed for programming language, ui framework, browser, etc and you WILL use

[tender river]

oo me not say yet, want to detach abstract and concrete syntax, can make multiple presentations of abstract syntax mean can make frontends for something like music production

and can have good accessibility

[sage crag]

🔍

[tender river]

langdev usually prefer work with text files but me can make own editor and non-file database format not issue

[sage crag]

i also want to try for ui-embedibility, where each valid GUI application is also a valid GUI element that could be embedded in another GUI

[tender river]

me like monoculture too

monoculture not fit means your project bad at eee

[noble zodiac]

all of it is lisp

[sage crag]

me think it would benefit for things like composable application without losing accesibility

[tender river]

react

[sage crag]

i thought of going this way and to be honest the language i write will probably have to function in a similar manner

[sage crag]

na

me have to go now

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

microfrontends

that what that called

[tender river]

if all project live in same monorepo

make library authors deal with breakages themselves -> force them think about good interface design

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

well not really but idea similar enough

[tender river]

lisp machines and smalltalk probably pretty close

https://pharo.org/features

[sage crag]

enub

enubs

various nubs

[tender river]

mrr

tired c++

gonna write vm

in javascript

maybe ruby

or coffeescript or something

[sage crag]

[hearty notch]

[sage crag]

doro

[tender river]

make (close to) 0 progress want switch things up start with non incremental version, write visualizer, better than staring at screen thinking

[hearty notch]

chayleaf i met a dev on another server who did this what do you think https://dev.to/imgajeed76/i-got-obsessed-with-2-byte-deltas-and-built-a-delta-compressor-that-actually-hits-them-4332

[tender river]

i did write a new (non working) version of my vm though

current problem is stack

its always the stack

[sage crag]

write stackless

stack for people who cant allocate

[tender river]

its not real stack its more like
call function -> call it because call is needed
why was it needed? if not remember not know what to do after function call end

[sage crag]

slop detector

No HashMap overhead, just direct array access.

this entire article silly

[tender river]

boring

[hearty notch]

ty

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

thing they did

• store chars
• store insertion/deletion indices
• neutered diff algorithm by making it only work for 16000 unique words
• basic run length encoding
• fallback to actual diffing algorithm

[trim valve]

surely median is misleading here

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

like, a histogram or something would be more reasonable

[sage crag]

wrr

[hearty notch]

sry for ragebait if ragebait lmao

[sage crag]

not ragebait just not interesting

[sage crag]

also depends highly on your data

it also took 12x as long as the next best algorithm

probably because it does 6 or 7 diffs and checks which one is the best

doro

[tender river]

way it work is
"root node" try to see what value its connected too
on the way may see roadblock in form of unreduced function application
reduce it -> reduction connect root node to something else and connect other node to something other (reduction connects argument port and result port, like for example identity function just connects argument to result; root is connected to the result port in this case)
then try again from root node with new connection

original algorithm very very very simple but issue occur when want to make incremental algorithm then me skull break

[sage crag]

nuke

me read later

[tender river]

@rigid snow maybe a bit specific is there a good js graph editor ui library

like for editing connections between nodes

bonus points if support hypergraphs

sigma.js looks like what i need

not exactly

[sage crag]

[tender river]

https://maxgraph.github.io/

only decent option i found

still bad but

could be worse

[warped narwhal]

that website reads like a ChatGPT response.

Flexible with convenient defaults

maxGraph is highly configurable and offers numerous extension points. But it also provides numerous built-in elements, for example for shapes and styles.

[tender river]

me think writing too bad for chatgpt chatgpt is good at bad writing and bad at good writing, this is bad bad writing

[sage crag]

rr

[rigid snow]

you’re right it is too specific

not a problem i encounter ever

no idea

[obsidian mantle]

, for example

every for-example will sound like ai generated now

[silent cloak]

everything with a: —

em dash

[severe path]

I think AI makes writing sound dull

[thorn ledge]

I am having an excellent time debugging putting a backpack on the back slot in minecraft modding crashing my world infinitely
I have resorted to asking a clanker for help
I suppose I deserve this

[silent cloak]

sounds like an NBT issue

[thorn ledge]

Yeah I'm getting through it, Just wanted to post that line

such a way with words

[dry charm]

That is always lovely

what is the stacktrace

[thorn ledge]

ended up just using nbtexplorer to put the backpack back in my inventory,
gonna uninstall accessories because I dont even need it and thats what caused the problem
for some reason it was overloading the internal server becasue of "a network channel that has a size limit" (im on a singleplayer world minecraft pls)
all in all I understand none of this but my problem is fixed

[dry charm]

Ah, do you have anything that hold items in your backpack,

or book?

Minecraft has NBT size limitation, that affects items which hold items

Minecraft has been an Internal server <-> Client for Singleplayer as well for a loong time now

That is why you can just enable LAN mode effortlessly btw

[thorn ledge]

No like I think I'm aware of that at least

I think its something to do with the mod author messing up and me playing on a really new version

[silent cloak]

there are some mods to fix NBT issues depending on the specific limit ur hitting

[dry charm]

It depends on what error it is @silent cloak

[thorn ledge]

that would actually be pretty helpful I think

[silent cloak]

most crashes and issues with mods i find are NBT issues

[thorn ledge]

because I wonder if I remove accessories and use the backpack's built in equip slot if its just going to crash infinitely with the same error

in which case cool mod out the box like that

[silent cloak]

do u know the error?

[trim valve]

iirc there's also a thing for modded that can increase the max packet size?

[silent cloak]

yes

minecraft has a lot of limit issues

but that should be something modloaders should fix by default (but dont)

[dry charm]

Not really

Why would Forge or Fabric touch network

then it becomes non client compliant

[silent cloak]

i mean for NBT related

[dry charm]

yeah, I still think they should not by default

[thorn ledge]

yep that oughta do it