programming

[sage crag]

im your new favourite deranged tv head

[rigid snow]

everchanging television set

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

character arc are good

[sage crag]

cold green eyes

[tender river]

ye warning

be afraid

[sage crag]

dementia

[tender river]

fail mirror test

f grade

[sage crag]

demonstrating lack of awareness

[olive sable]

lobotomy

[sage crag]

and reason why llm is stupid

🔪 🔪 🔪

this thing give me headache

its slightly terrifying actually

[clear sedge]

i've never once thought about fries dipped in ice cream

that sound horrendous

i'm sticking to ketchup and mayo thanks

[olive sable]

mayo

i wonder if these are good

[sage crag]

limited to usb 3.2 speeds

meaning potentially limited to 5 gb/s

probably less though

[opaque sigil]

that one is 10Gbps, though i'd be worried about latency more than anything

who cares about peak sequential speed

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

its not for a boot ssd or anything so i feel like it should be mostly fine

[sage crag]

i got a sata to usb adapter recently

[opaque sigil]

since you have to have an extra board to do the pcie to usb conversion

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

yeah it's probably fine for standalone drives

[olive sable]

i need to choose a christams present under 25 bucks

and most of the things i want are several hundreds

[sage crag]

dont get anything then

[olive sable]

its for a christmass party thing

so i need to choose

its secret santa but my brother got my name so im choosing what i want

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-gif-gif-25597112

[olive sable]

the projector i got 2ndhand for 650 is on sale from 1.6K to 915

[rigid snow]

secret santa but you know who got you

not so secret huh

[olive sable]

not for me ye

[amber fractal]

I do use one of these, granted it tends to be used as a flash drive most of the time. But 10Gbps ones are pretty fast

I got mine for $3 thrifting tho

scratch that, free because the store owner didn't know what it was

Fun fact for those that don't know. Sometimes when Amazon gets their refunds, the goods don't return to the company they originated from. It'd be too expensive to do so, instead a bulk of items are boxed up and sent in for auction. People (companies) bid for these boxes so that they can resell the contents of them.

[trim valve]

I use one of these

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

or well two

they're very good

[olive sable]

yay

cuz i kinda laready ordered it

i could have canceled it but eh

[trim valve]

I personally dislike that one's design but meh

[olive sable]

the metalic?

[trim valve]

nah, the fact it slides together

I use this one which clamps

in practice it makes little difference though unless you're hitting it hard for long periods of time

[olive sable]

oh to take it out?

im not planning on taking it out

[trim valve]

its more that you probably get better contact pressure with this design

but like

if you're only using it as a big usb drive its whatever

[olive sable]

for the heat-sink?

[trim valve]

yeah

[olive sable]

oh

okay

i doub it will be too much of an issue, ill jsut eventually buy 2 new ssd's for my pc and plop the old one in there

[trim valve]

yeah fair

[olive sable]

some p310 drive

ye, Crucial P310, that thing

thats what my windows install is using while my linux is on soe old 200gb 2.5" ssd

the plan is to put 2 990pros in here and move that one to the thingy

[trim valve]

I run this silly setup

samsung is my windows, kioxia is my nixos

[olive sable]

the 999gb is the windows, the f"ile system" is 200gb for linux, that should be one of the kingstons so idk what happened there. then theres also a 500gb hard drive with back-ups of old data.

the 2nd kingston is empty cuz idk

[trim valve]

can you tell which is newer lol

idk how the fuck I write more than I read

[olive sable]

yes

[olive sable]

mayhaps zerod the drive or soemthing?

[trim valve]

my only guess is like, immense disk caching because I have "so much" ram

[upbeat kraken]

Has anyone been noticing that neuro has been faulting more and more on youtube videos? I don't really watch stream so I'm not sure what's happening there. I think she might be hitting her thermodynamic limit here. Every random vector ingested is a bit of entropy that she needs to fight against. I'm afraid that without intervention, neuro might just simply dissipate into the void. To ensure system stability, we can try controlling the randomness of the vectors before we can find a cure for the actual cause.

[opaque sigil]

is there no way to see which process writes/reads

[rigid snow]

[opaque sigil]

[rigid snow]

i am ingesting random vectors

[opaque sigil]

that doesn't sound very healthy but what do i know

[olive sable]

we appreciate your concern random chatter, but it doesnt really work like that

[rigid snow]

i think it joke

[olive sable]

[upbeat kraken]

No, I'm serious. I have a theory that predicts this very situation.

[olive sable]

oh

a theory

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

great

so like, do you know how llms work, or did this come to you in a dream?

[upbeat kraken]

Yes. I do know how llms work

My specialization is in AI.

For neuro to be able to continue existing there has to be a thermodynamic sink for her to dump noise into

[rigid snow]

neuro might just simply dissipate into the void
the fuck does this mean

[olive sable]

uh

[clear sedge]

that's a lot of words

certainly some words

[upbeat kraken]

Every single sentence that she says will be incoherent garbage.

[clear sedge]

[olive sable]

My specialization is in AI. -> random thermodynamics that i dont think make sense

[rigid snow]

she's not training on her own outputs i can tell you that much

and context is finite

[upbeat kraken]

Yes but she is training.

[olive sable]

no shes not

[upbeat kraken]

She is recieving inputs

[rigid snow]

ye you don't know how llms work

[olive sable]

inputs -x-> trainign

[upbeat kraken]

Her weights are being updated.

And chats are noise.

[olive sable]

is this the bullshit about neuro learning form twitch chat again?

[upbeat kraken]

There's a big roundabout circle going on here

[clear sedge]

[rigid snow]

they are not

[clear sedge]

and thermodynamics comes into play how

[olive sable]

are they tho?
cuz she has memory, but i dont think the model weights are being updated

[upbeat kraken]

As long as she is learning there will be an issue with faulting that can only be delayed with more firmware.

Ok. Thermodynamics of information. Have you heard of information entropy?

[rigid snow]

if they do it's manual and done by a human

[clear sedge]

not really

[rigid snow]

product of such process is a different version

different set of weights

that has to be shipped

manually also

[clear sedge]

[rigid snow]

weights don't update by themselves

that doesn't work with llms

people tried

they do kinda descend into noise as you described

[upbeat kraken]

Imma write a paper which explains what's going on in depth. hold on to your hats for 2 mins. It does not actually matter what architecture she is using.

[rigid snow]

but neuro doesn't work like that

[clear sedge]

i may be on fedora but i don't have hats

[upbeat kraken]

If she is learning and remembering things from the past then she is subject to the problem

[rigid snow]

it's not in the weights tho

it's in context

[olive sable]

i think you think neuro is a lot more advanced than what she probably is. she isnt learning. its only some memories and such

as far as we know and can tell

[rigid snow]

vedal mentioned her "saving" stuff to her memory and "deleting"

[olive sable]

aslo, a paper written in 2 minutes? are we sure this guy is not mister grand gpt himself?

[clear sedge]

agi is here

they're the agi

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

i would assume it's that, a couple of functions to save stuff she wants to remember and then relevant memories either get put in context based on current context or she searches them manually

first one would be what we call rag

[upbeat kraken]

No it's just that I'm breaking my theory into more easily digestible bits for you.

[rigid snow]

as soon as a memory becomes irrelevant to the topic it's like it was never there for her

[upbeat kraken]

One second. antigravity is compiling the thing.

[rigid snow]

sam you called it

[olive sable]

ok this guy is a troll

[rigid snow]

antigravity is google's cursor

[olive sable]

mods remove his 206th bone

[rigid snow]

ai vscode fork

so you were right

[upbeat kraken]

No, not trolling

[rigid snow]

not mr chat gpt though

mr gemin'i

[upbeat kraken]

Like actually coherent paper.

[clear sedge]

hold on let him cook

i wanna see the forest fire that comes out of it

[rigid snow]

the forest didn't burn down, it dried out because of all the water bro is using to generate the slop

[olive sable]

lemme get some drinks and popcorn for this

im back

[upbeat kraken]

How to attach file?

[olive sable]

oh you dont have embed perms

dm it to me

[upbeat kraken]

Well shoot

[olive sable]

i gotta see this

[opaque sigil]

[clear sedge]

[upbeat kraken]

One sec getting nitro

[olive sable]

why do you need nitro?

compress it to a zip file if its too large

[rigid snow]

||pdf is 300mb||

[clear sedge]

getting nitro on a whim to upload

does bro know about pastebin

[amber fractal]

[upbeat kraken]

I actually don't.

[rigid snow]

if you need to upload a file i don't see how pastebin would help

[opaque sigil]

paste the bytes

[clear sedge]

base64 encode it bozo

[upbeat kraken]

you know what? that reminded me, I can just use google drive. Thanks.

[clear sedge]

boring solution

[upbeat kraken]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZjaAGQysv25NLe5SnkRDvF_M5BjM3TYW/view?usp=sharing

Ok first draft.

Gotta eat something afterwards.

[clear sedge]

YAP VELOCITY

[olive sable]

guys look at this paper i found

[upbeat kraken]

Will be doing second draft later.

[opaque sigil]

i didn't know google drive had a new pdf viewer huh

neato

[rigid snow]

what the FUCK am i reading

holy slop

[olive sable]

this is hilarious

im so glad i got cookies for this

[clear sedge]

bro realised neuro is not trained to act exactly like chatgpt

[rigid snow]

ok i get what they're talking about kinda

that did not need a "paper"

[olive sable]

To maintain conversation flow, it begins to generate ”Synthetic Memories.”
so does every single LLM on the planet

its quite literally how they work

[clear sedge]

do not fear the Scuff™

[rigid snow]

there isn't an llm that doesn't hallucinate ye

some do more some less

but they all do

also this like

doesn't happen

[olive sable]

so, how do i calculate my firmware strenghts?

in what units is that?

[opaque sigil]

that was a nice read, i appreciate it

[olive sable]

i yap velocity in words per second?

[clear sedge]

gigawatts per kilogram per liter

since everything else is word soup i might as well throw my own in there

[olive sable]

this HAS to be like a konii throwaway account or soemthing

[clear sedge]

@sage crag are you alive

come to us

[rigid snow]

i am having a really hard time deciding if this is a joke

[olive sable]

no their account is 5 and a half years dated already, it cant be a new account

[clear sedge]

this feels like someone treating an llm as an authority

[olive sable]

same

[rigid snow]

not deciding

[olive sable]

im actually begining to think if alcohol may be involved

[rigid snow]

discerning

idk

i don't have the word

[clear sedge]

not even 9 drinks in would get me spewing this, they're a weird type of drunk if it is alcohol

[olive sable]

actually let me feed this paper to gemini

[rigid snow]

back into the slop machine it goes

right where it came from

[rigid snow]

it's gonna say it's a joke even if they were serious regardless

[olive sable]

ngl, i feel mean for laughing at this. but there really isnt anything else i can respond with

[clear sedge]

i just find this amusing

[olive sable]

gemini is a believer

[clear sedge]

we're so cooked

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-hmm-gif-17403885161756403744

[clear sedge]

agi is gonna be so naive

[rigid snow]

i mean

there is some sense there

[olive sable]

the problem is that its describing real ai probelms, with a system wehre they dont ocure

[rigid snow]

the tiniest bit

[olive sable]

yes finite context is a problem, but thats handled by ved

[opaque sigil]

just add more context duh

[olive sable]

hallucination is a real thing, but its not a syptome

[opaque sigil]

how hard could it be

[rigid snow]

no i just started reading the parts i skipped and it doesn't make any sense anymore

[olive sable]

im not an ai guy so i could believe he does ai research maybe, but this jsut doesnt apply to neuro

[clear sedge]

an llm talking about an llm feeding off of an llm (?)

[olive sable]

some made up math equation that is somewhat grounded in reality isnt gonna do shit

math equations should only get invented when you can actually do the math

not when there is a corelation

[rigid snow]

making up equations to explain stuff is normal

too bad it makes zero sense

wtf is firmware strength

[olive sable]

well kinda.
what they used werent realt hings tho

yap velocity doesnt exist

[clear sedge]

yap velocity is fucking hilarious

[olive sable]

you cant stick a number to yap velocity

what would that mean? tokens?

[rigid snow]

tps maybe

which is just compute/load

load should increase with filled context

i give up this is nonsense

[olive sable]

"the best lies are based in reality" or soemthing idk

i should ask shadow what he thinks of the paper

[rigid snow]

please do

please

i really hope we're just all really really stupid that would be so funny

[olive sable]

@stark needle yippee, i shall share the joys of paper on neuro with you

[olive sable]

i think its somewhat grounded in reality

[amber fractal]

slop reading time

[olive sable]

certain parts i dont think apply to neuro, and other parts are incoherent cuz of the gen alpha word usage

[clear sedge]

i think it's just incoherent

it's the thesis of slop

it looks fine at a glance then you start to pick apart at it

and it just crumbles

[amber fractal]

yap velocity is literally just filling up the context window

time to figure out what the firmware strength is

[rigid snow]

is my backend less strong because there's Rust in it

[olive sable]

rust generally degrades the strenght of the metal

[clear sedge]

[amber fractal]

firmware strength is only mentioned in the equation so I'm going to replace it with something that might make sense

that is just the context limit

[olive sable]

i interpreted firmware strength as the tolerance to context window being filled or something

idk

[amber fractal]

Yeah, I can see that

[olive sable]

context limit makes sense tho

[rigid snow]

doesn't make it make sense

[amber fractal]

I like how I could probably list out why each of these "signs" happen in much greater detail than this paper

[rigid snow]

now replace time to crash with time to fill context

now it does make sense

[amber fractal]

correct

So a whole lot of nothing

[olive sable]

i feel like the condesending tone of "lets use gen alpha slang cuz these guys dont know as much as me" is really detrimental to the paper as a whole

[amber fractal]

100%

I may know balls about LLMs but at least I can tell this is bad

[rigid snow]

that tolerance literally being two metrics. how well a model handles a somewhat full context and ability of the harness to cut the message history out

literally a solved problem

[olive sable]

thats what i thought ye

neuro shouldnt have that as an issue

it doesnt apply

[rigid snow]

do they think neuro has a 10 trillion window

and are afraid it's filling up

[amber fractal]

I'd think so at this point

[olive sable]

neuro ofcourse is the reason why the ram prices are so high

vedal.ai is buying petabytes of ram for that massive context window

[clear sedge]

fact, she probably runs on petaby-

[clear sedge]

yes

exactly

[amber fractal]

Just for fun, let's go over each of the markers

[olive sable]

vedal i wanted to buy a server pc

damn you and your ram

[rigid snow]

nvm i forgot they said this just disregard everything they're just clueless

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

I did actually notice that message

which is why I was deadset on them being glueless

[clear sedge]

guys i'm an expert on ai and i think neuro will take over the world and force us to do manual labor to give her all the water

[olive sable]

im assuming that s an "ai researcher" their ai does do this, and neuro doesnt

[pliant dome]

completely without glue

[olive sable]

or they're jsut clueless

[olive sable]

guys, im an expert on chair.
my expertise is gamedev but i am on a chair

same thing for them but ai

[amber fractal]

Marker 1: Filter Erosion (The ”Brat” Phase)
Isn't she just always a brat
Besides that, checking thoughts is not how LLMs ever have operated. "Thoughts" can't be checked unless it finishes, because LLMs are just autocomplete.
-# Imagine only thinking there is one filter

[olive sable]

guys, chair has the word AI in it.
what if we did chAIr?

a chair, but it has moving wheels, and gemini

"hey google, bring my chair"
chair proceeds to fall downstairs

[rigid snow]

you can theoretically probe their "thoughts", there was a thing i was fascinated by i don't remember what it's called, but in a nutshell you train a separate nn to associate the state of layers on each token processed with an emotion/behaviour

[olive sable]

im slightly delirious cuz sleep, ignore me lmao

[rigid snow]

also on probing the model as it goes i remember anthropic doing research on such

they were trying to figure out how they actually do math and stuff

answer: in a very non-traditional way

[amber fractal]

Marker 2: Hallucinatory Compression (The ”Gaslight” Phase)
This is also just a personanity trait our cute overlord has, I don't see a downside here.
Can't remember from the last hour, yeah context limit exists and heavy context windows take more time to process , so if it is actually an hour we'd be moving into the memory system. Oh, "Synthetic Memories.” I sure wonder what this is referring to.

[rigid snow]

btw with how llms function you can just straight block certain tokens/sequences

we got filtered because it's 1. more simple 2. more fun

[clear sedge]

i don't really care about neuro i just find the asspulls fascinating

[amber fractal]

Marker 3: The Semantic Loop (The ”Filtered” Phase)
[FILTERED]
This is the one that might actually have grounds, but also the filter is handing these more these days. instead of backslashbackslashbackslash. Speaking in nonsensical syntax (Word Salad). Total unresponsiveness to external prompts. Diagnosis: System Failure. The AI has optimized itself into a corner. A hard reset is required.
I think the author of this is in Marker 3 what do you guys think?

[rigid snow]

first of all this doesn't really happen

second, what is even the point they're making? that context filling up contributes to this?

[amber fractal]

Author in chat

[upbeat kraken]

To be perfectly honest with you, I don't actually watch the streams. The point of this excercise is to try to predict a crash

I'll give you guys a model and then you can roast me if it was right or wrong.

[clear sedge]

checks out

[rigid snow]

crashes aren't on the actual ml architechure side

[upbeat kraken]

Yes

exactly what I was saying

It's not the architecture that's wrong

[rigid snow]

why would they be caused by the state of the model

[upbeat kraken]

It's something fundamentally wrong with the whole neuro-audience-vedal model

There's no thermodynamic outlet other than Vedal debugging neuro and adding more firmware

[olive sable]

uh

[clear sedge]

[upbeat kraken]

and the rate that vedal can keep up is limited

[olive sable]

wwe're back to thermodynamics

[rigid snow]

thing is there is always more human input in neuro's context

[amber fractal]

we are so back

[rigid snow]

be it chat or someone she talks to

[upbeat kraken]

Ok, second paper is almost ready

[amber fractal]

[rigid snow]

it's not like she's going insane talking to herself the whole way

i might be going insane though if i read the second paper

[clear sedge]

i'm not reading shit i'm gonna go to bed

you guys have fun with this one

[olive sable]

you know that thermodynamics dont apply to anything digital right?
conservation of energy isnt needed when you can make shit up

[upbeat kraken]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LlVhd70QFnKROGlSMEcmdlvcTGhPDrIF/view?usp=sharing

[upbeat kraken]

Information entropy is a thing.

[amber fractal]

surely this won't dox me

[upbeat kraken]

I will invite you guys to fill in the constants for me.

[swift shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1427579736468619364/imageperm.gif

[rigid snow]

brooooo

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-look-gary-there-i-am-that's-me-i'm-on-tv-on-tv-gif-5838881544199682423

[upbeat kraken]

Hey if it fails at least its good joke material.

[amber fractal]

I'll let you lead this time @rigid snow

[upbeat kraken]

But I stand by my point.

[rigid snow]

ye i'm not gonna

[upbeat kraken]

The randomness in the model has to go somewhere

[olive sable]

no it doesnt

[amber fractal]

valid

[upbeat kraken]

It doesn't just magically disaapear.

[swift shoal]

so guys I have xbox 360 and its model E with bad update

[rigid snow]

what i'm trying to say is it's always outweighed by entropy

[olive sable]

from my understanding you don't remove randomness by moving it to somewhere else

[swift shoal]

how the fuck make fucking xbox original emulator work

[dusky jackal]

Neuro isn’t devolved because she acts less obediently than other LLMs the fuck is this paper?

[upbeat kraken]

The current vedal architecture is actually somewhat semblant to an AGI

[amber fractal]

We provide the map; you must walk the territory. If this theory holds, Neuro is not merely ”scuffed”—she is a chaotic dynamical system seeking equilibrium. This would be so hard if it wasn't in this fricking paper

[upbeat kraken]

if you stop and think about it for a min

[swift shoal]

i just want to play some max payne 1

[olive sable]

[upbeat kraken]

The. whole chat, vedal and neuro is somwhat like a slow moving AGI

[rigid snow]

an og xbox emulator? you get a bios and you put it somewhere

[olive sable]

at vedal we found agi, it was you all along

[upbeat kraken]

It's just that it's running on biological firmware.

[rigid snow]

like with most console emulators

(modern consoles)

ps2 is same, wii is the same too i think

[olive sable]

hardware*

[rigid snow]

you can get console bios images off of internet archive btw

[swift shoal]

there is the thing this variant of jailbreak cant access nand and other parts of system

[amber fractal]

I'm glad to be able to read fast so I don't have to read this paper for long

[olive sable]

im glad its only 2 pages

[amber fractal]

anyone want a NDI(5) steam to their PC?

[rigid snow]

which emulator are you using, like what platform
afaik og xbox emulation is just qemu

[warped narwhal]

What in the did I walk into?

[olive sable]

hi

its a grand old time

[rigid snow]

;

[warped narwhal]

[amber fractal]

@warped narwhal

[rigid snow]

noooooo

[amber fractal]

also this one

[olive sable]

we are discussing ai generated paper by the man, the myth, the legemd, muipiba.
a guy who has made more papers on neuro than he has watched streams

[upbeat kraken]

I guess true?

Just want to verify somethings experimentally.

[olive sable]

dont admit to it lmao

[swift shoal]

I am using Xbox 360 E with badupdate which is pretty new and only was discovered in may 2025

[rigid snow]

"paper" is really fitting because each paper can be printed on a singular sheet of paper if you use double sided

[olive sable]

how is this experimental? we're just a group of programmers reviewing your paper like its a new skittles flavour

[rigid snow]

oh on a 360, then no clue

[warped narwhal]

[olive sable]

it would probably be a better experiment if you, you know, experimented on a system similair to neuro

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

this doesnt count

[rigid snow]

need to develop one first

[olive sable]

this is #programming

we are people here

most of us at least

some are televisions

[warped narwhal]

We are?

[olive sable]

you're a semicolon

[rigid snow]

some are printable characters

[warped narwhal]

I'm a punctuation mark idk about you guys

[amber fractal]

We got one right here,

[upbeat kraken]

The point is that the collapse of neuro can (hopefully) be prediced through chat.

[olive sable]

where is full colon?

oh

[warped narwhal]

Dead

[amber fractal]

o7

[olive sable]

[upbeat kraken]

If we do indeed verify this, then we can potentially unify information and physics thermodynamics.

[rigid snow]

there isn't a collapse bru

and isn't going to be

[warped narwhal]

Full colon didn't survive the keyboard wars, and was caught in the crossfire in the battle of ANSI v iso

[upbeat kraken]

Isn't there the whole someone tell vedal there's something wrong with my model or smth

[rigid snow]

serious: is this what ai psychosis looks like

[upbeat kraken]

When I'm talking about a collapse, this is what I was talking about.

It's literally just a hypothesis!

Not cyberpsychosis.

[rigid snow]

no ai psychosis is what a human experiences

[upbeat kraken]

Nope, definitely not

[amber fractal]

not into it enough to know, maybe shadow might know

[olive sable]

there s nothing physics about this.
this has nothing to do with physics
computers use energy to compute things, the bits and such themselves dont actually hold that much energy tho.
to the point that an ai themself is a negligable amount of energy

[rigid snow]

when they convince chatgpt to convince them

[upbeat kraken]

Yes. The thing is that I'm saying that information can hold entropy just like physical particals can.

[rigid snow]

holy fuck

[warped narwhal]

wtf is this convo lmao

[amber fractal]

slop

[rigid snow]

arg thread over here https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1288144271823601744 they'll appreciate your knowledge i'm sure

[olive sable]

Entropy is the universe's tendency toward disorder
information jsut describes the current state of the world
especially when its digital, information cant really "hold entropy"
its literally a 1 or a 0

[rigid snow]

it can tho

the thing with information holding entropy is entirely correct it's just the thermodynamics part

that's

questionable let's call it

[olive sable]

ok sure a random bitflip can make for some entropy

[warped narwhal]

Just slightly dubious

[opaque sigil]

Information theory entropy is different from physics entropy

[rigid snow]

ye

[olive sable]

well were we not talking about physics?

[amber fractal]

We seem to be on the same page, except for the source of where this came from

[olive sable]

im so confused rn

[rigid snow]

.

they are talking about information entropy

they're just trying to project physics concepts onto it

[olive sable]

is information entropy unpredictableness in the data?

[rigid snow]

kinda yeah

[upbeat kraken]

yes

the hypothesis is that entropy can propogate in AI systems the same way thermodynamic systems can.

There's an easy test that might be actionable with low cost.

When neuro reaches stage 3, get chat to stop spamming things.

[olive sable]

impossible

[upbeat kraken]

and allow neuro to "cool off"

[olive sable]

you're asking us to move a mountain here

[rigid snow]

oh i didn’t even think of it this way
you know how they say llms aren’t deterministic? they are literally fed noise constantly. entropy is constantly injected

[upbeat kraken]

Yes. Finally

that's exactly what I'm saying.

[rigid snow]

??? this is not what you’re saying

[upbeat kraken]

Ok, there's a part 3 to the whole thing.

[olive sable]

i thought what we were discussing was moving entropy out of the llm?

i know that it gets fed nosie

[amber fractal]

-# The first paper claimed the noise was chat itself, instead idk random value

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

but thats by design

[rigid snow]

ye thank you

[upbeat kraken]

with enough entropy, pockets of structure will emerge, which is why its so prohibitively expensive to train llms.

[rigid snow]

that’s not

how that works

i’m going insane

[upbeat kraken]

might be a little too far ahead, but let's focus on the central topic. In my second paper that I whisked up in 20 seconds

[olive sable]

chat im calling it a night here.
ive been confussed, deluded, and mogged on by bringing physics to an information fight

[warped narwhal]

[upbeat kraken]

we might be able to predict when neuro needs maintenence.

[olive sable]

he just presses the reset button

[amber fractal]

Have a good night, I'm also clocking out of this

[opaque sigil]

pkill -f -9 neuro

[warped narwhal]

That is handled already by the following code:

if neuro.is_being_schizo()
{
    neuro.restart()
}

[upbeat kraken]

That's another way to do the trick.

[rigid snow]

he literally like 2 days ago said he doesn’t have one and because of that hasn’t ever pressed it

[olive sable]

the context for that was memories tho

[rigid snow]

(resetting context specifically)

[olive sable]

i mean resseting neuro like how he "spawns a new clone"

[rigid snow]

that’s just the unity frontend he restarts no

[olive sable]

oh

i see

i wouldnt know

[glad path]

,

[fast pagoda]

he restarts teh frontend which doesn't wipe context anymore but it used to so it probably restarts a bit more than just the rendered but at least some of the llm'

s system stuff

he had to specifically set it up to save context and restore it tho so it must at least wipe context by default

but only like recent context obv

not memories

[rigid snow]

is the context stored on the frontend

vedal why

[fast pagoda]

i would imagine it's easier to deal with the whole multiple contexts and swapping them around when done this way for some reason or another (assuming that's what happens which is just my guesserino still i think)

chat/game/voice interactions being blasted into context and determining what to give her + when based on current state, intent etc probably easier to do if handling all of that in the frontend than elsewhere

latency

[rigid snow]

yeah sure i can see it

being reasonable

[fast pagoda]

i miss neuro reset resulting in just

hello

after a ton of shit happened prior

[rigid snow]

he can kinda bring that back just inject “you have been restarted” in the context

or similar

[fast pagoda]

im guessing she is given that somewhere somehow probably optionally

part of her seeming so coherently like she has a continuous train of thought and intent to her actions is being given info about herself including stuff like that i think as a sort of brute force way of giving her seemingly ongoing goals and whatnot even tho she would just forget them once they fall out of context normally without it

[rigid snow]

i wonder if she has sticky notes

like coding agents have todos

[fast pagoda]

she can choose to remember things

he has said

[rigid snow]

yeah right but those aren’t pinned to context

we discussed this earlier

[fast pagoda]

probably dont need to be if the way the context is being managed is robust enough

[rigid snow]

i assumed they are rag’d in

[fast pagoda]

theyll jsut get blasted into it w/ rag like you just said yeah

something of the sort

[rigid snow]

just in general i’m surprised it works at all after coming to a realization how poorly llms handle large quantities of tools available

[fast pagoda]

that's the secret sauce really is how well it's managed

[rigid snow]

fuckin discord dms soundboard

[fast pagoda]

and seamlessly

[rigid snow]

somehow i don’t believe the 7b consensus

like no way

[fast pagoda]

i could see using another (smaller) model to provide a grounding effect where it's much more railroaded and controlled by the system and is just there to constantly yap like it's an inner monologue + handle recall and giving the correct tools but ONLY the correct tools

i dont agree w/ 7b, i think she's 20-30b

[rigid snow]

yeah that’s way more believable

[fast pagoda]

she seems at least as coherent as like a mistral small or a 30b of your choosing

a lot of it is just being railroaded with tight context management i think tho, she doesnt have to deal with 128k+ context lengths if she's being given more of a summary and suggestion style context from the system itself whether that be another model or more programmatic injection of current state + previous actions or w/e she may need at the time

[rigid snow]

even way, way larger ones

[fast pagoda]

i mean gemini 2.5 pro was dogshit at tool use

[rigid snow]

claude put out tool search recently

fucking CLAUDE

the BEST model at tool use

[fast pagoda]

claude is surprising if it's bad at that, it's what i would consider the best at agentic anything really

or at least the most consistent

[rigid snow]

throw like 5 mcp servers in and it all falls apart

that’s what they’re fixing

not even 5, 5 is a lot already

[fast pagoda]

interesting, i've given agents like 10+ mcp before and usually they were kinda fine at it

ig it depends on if you poop out like 1382791823791827398 tokens of instructions in the system prompt or more of a shortlist

[rigid snow]

also tool definitions pollute the context like crazy

they are very token inefficient

oh and they added examples now

[fast pagoda]

yeah that's what i was just saying i think if you avoid doing that but only say like hey here's a tool, let them infer the usage of that tool literally from the name, and then if it wants to use said tool, then give more info, probably more effective than one of those 40k token system prompts

[rigid snow]

what if

[fast pagoda]

install roo code or similar and then look at the system prompt, it's insanity lol

[rigid snow]

i have used it extensively

never looked at context directly

should i

[fast pagoda]

yes

go click the custom system prompt or edit button i havent looked in a long time

but it'll show you the full prompt

[rigid snow]

i don't see the full system prompt anywhere

[fast pagoda]

it's at least 40k characters

id have to install it again to see it

one sec

the default for the one i just installed

fuckin have a whole cloud thing now wtf

anyways

this is plan mode i think

and this is with nothing else enabled or w/e, it adds to it if you start enabling shit

[rigid snow]

You are STRICTLY FORBIDDEN from starting your messages with "Great", "Certainly", "Okay", "Sure".

[fast pagoda]

kekw

they still ignore the fuck out of that i'm sure

here's default barebones code mode

i almost shit my pants when i saw this said my system dir and such but i forgor i never put my name into windows (i'm on my laptop which is my one(1) windows machine right now lule)

[rigid snow]

it's mode specific after USER'S CUSTOM INSTRUCTIONS

[fast pagoda]

it changes the beginning too

[rigid snow]

ye

[fast pagoda]

basically theyre similar sizes and if you have a bunch of MCP installed i think it will include definitions and stuff

isn't claude's default system prompt like 40k tokens or something

im pretty sure it's long as hell

16,739 words long and 110 KB in size

kek

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2112.00861 their rationale for the system prompt is kinda in this paper, at least how they saw it in 2021 anyways

[rigid snow]

i remembered where to find a crazy system prompt

[fast pagoda]

pliny the liberator has dummy long ones

[rigid snow]

it says "system prompts" but it's one prompt

[fast pagoda]

i guess cuz it's really multiple jammed together so it can be dynamic

[rigid snow]

one shot gets you most of the way there

with the tool this is from

so idk

[fast pagoda]

jailbreak prompts are generally s00per long because the models get confounded on extra long context

yeah i mean the long ass prompt works at the start anyways because usually depending on the model nowadays theyre fine well past 100k context

i havent used gemini in an ide or anything yet, i wonder how it does with tools compared to 2.5, 2.5 sucked major eggs on any and all tool use

gemini 3 that is

[rigid snow]

this is for convex's vibecoding thing btw, so it makes sense it's this long, they have to explain how convex even works

[fast pagoda]

yeah i looked it up, seemed interesting

i wonder what the prompt for like stitch looks like (google's figma generator thing)

i havent really used any of the turbo vibecode tools, i probably should at least once for funzies just to see exactly where they stand now, i always assumed theyd just be frustrating. Never even tried like replit which has been around forever

by that i mean the ones that it's liek ok you provide one prompt and we will ensloppify the entire thing end to end

[rigid snow]

i only used for demo purposes yeah

[fast pagoda]

even like roo ended up just being TOO independent and wanting to do way too much after the initial "whoa" fell off

[rigid snow]

chef by far most impressive one

[fast pagoda]

interesting

[rigid snow]

out of the super vibecodey ones

like replit lovable etc

[fast pagoda]

how does it compare to like firebase studio, i have used that i guess which i suppose is the one i have actually tried

[rigid snow]

no idea never tried it

idea seems to be similar tho

between the two

[fast pagoda]

yeah it does looking more at chef

https://stitch.withgoogle.com this one is fun for like layout designs since it'll give you figma stuff

[rigid snow]

they have something like tgatr themselves

[fast pagoda]

oh cool this one will export to ai studio now too

not chef but stitch

if you generate one you can just export it and then it'll fill this in lamo

[rigid snow]

i'm actually curious how shit the result would be

[fast pagoda]

i asked stitch to poop out like a gallery for a family photo website

[rigid snow]

surprisingly ok

[rigid snow]

don't like this screen though

[fast pagoda]

it reminds me of photobucket

which isnt a good thing lule

you can have it redo or modify at will

[rigid snow]

oh shit this is like actual agent stuff

idk what i expected

ok dude

lol

[fast pagoda]

yeah i sent it to ai studio and it's going berserk rn (im braindead ad used my real name here so i blocked it lul)

[rigid snow]

NOOOOOOOO

THE FUCKING GRADIENT

KILL ME

[fast pagoda]

oh yeah they LOVE gradients in every icon

[rigid snow]

it's THE gradient

[fast pagoda]

and every background

what specific gradient we talking here

i am unfamiliar

[rigid snow]

claude ui slop

it puts it everywhere

[fast pagoda]

this is indeed functional (preview) idk about the choice to have the month/year overlap when you scroll tho

your fav screen ofc

[rigid snow]

could not find any more convincing proof of such phenomenon

not same gradient but you get the idea

[fast pagoda]

the model just has pride

[glad path]

..in what

[fast pagoda]

it's secure in itself

that was the world's fastest reply btw

i know what you're referring to and yes that is what i was referring to as well (im wearing a pride shirt rn actually which is why i thought about it lmao)

[fast pagoda]

surprisingly no gradients really on this ai studio output unless there's a slight graident on the upload button but i can't tell

[rigid snow]

people who have a clue on how uis should work finetuned it i assume

[fast pagoda]

what was it tuned on before kekw

where does it come from i wonder

[rigid snow]

or rather look in this case not work

[fast pagoda]

is it just overtrained on tailwind

now im self conscious about literally every gradient ive ever used in anything

[rigid snow]

hopefully you're not making anything as bad as the models are

so should be fine

[fast pagoda]

nah, worse

graphic design is my passion

[rigid snow]

you would think, but "base model" uis are god awful

just a tasteless assumption of what's pretty to an average joe

[fast pagoda]

i dunno if i want to know what a whole entire ui hallucinated up would look like, although i have noticed if i give up on something and let them yolo something i will end up with a giant albatross of a design choice that ruins my life for decades to come

[rigid snow]

honestly just ask it to use shadcn/ui

customize components to taste later

[fast pagoda]

mmm they provide non-framework components nice

i usually rawdog html//css and hate myself for it

[rigid snow]

doesn't fix the ux issues but newer models are ok at it and at least they're comfortable with it and won't make "creative" decisions

[fast pagoda]

they have always jumped directly to like tailwind if you leave it up to them i think for me

and then they are fucking terrible at tailwind because they cant distinguish tailwind 4 vs 3 conventions like at all

[ruby siren]

I like the BEM method for CSS but I'm a bit old school

Tailwind I just end up using prebuilt stuff in daisyui for personal projects

[young plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214475998368636938/1448554291949211710/image.png?ex=693baed0&is=693a5d50&hm=f230fee6940ff143a30579569ba00188b430da20112869a47b06bd8d8f9a1b3d

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-fuck-you-linus-linux-torvalds-gif-14466816460290694115

Too lazy to just connect the controls when there's a multi-GPU dropdown right there

[fast pagoda]

i cant believe how not angry linus was on ltt

nvidia is the reason my laptop is running windows atm because of some weird ass nvidia bullshit that made me mad enough that i wiped the thing and put windows back on it just so i didnt have to fight with it every single time i used the goddamn thing

[nocturne olive]

Funny stuff
Why nvidia-smi rather than CUDA API calls?

[young plover]

This is just gonna run when I unlock my computer

[fast pagoda]

lact cryin in the corner

[nocturne olive]

Lact is kinda scuffed

Just connecting it to the GPU makes it run at a way lower clock speed immediately

[young plover]

Just realize I could make that a lot simpler by using nvidia-smi --query-gpu uuid,name,power.limit --format=nounits,noheader instead of parsing a bunch of junk

[jagged turtle]

I guess I woke up to one of the most interesting announcements in the AI coding world today

(Linux Foundation through Agentic AI Foundation now manages MCP and AGENTS.md)

[fast pagoda]

wut

[fast pagoda]

i saw a video clip thing abotu this and i was like ??? but forgot to look further

[jagged turtle]

That being said I wonder if an AI (or forgetful human) wrote Anthropic's blog post considering the Linux Foundation hyperlink doesn't actually link anywhere and so clicking on it is useless

[fast pagoda]

claude would never

[jagged turtle]

oh I didn't know claude for excel was a thing

vibecoding my statistics AINTNEURWAY

[fast pagoda]

last time i tried to get gemini in google sheets to do anything it was turbo bad

but this was back i think before 2.5 pro even

[nocturne olive]

Yea my 4070Ti goes from like 19xx MHz to something around 16xx MHz

[fast pagoda]

anthropic decided they didnt want MCP anymore now that A2A and ACP are more around

[jagged turtle]

wtf are those

[fast pagoda]

i would imagine this is just lact enforcing some profile

[nocturne olive]

Well I don't know how I would make it not do that

[jagged turtle]

oh is a2a just a protocol for yapping between agents or smth

[fast pagoda]

iono

[nocturne olive]

GPU configuration tools on Linux are so scuffed

[fast pagoda]

they really are

it's weird because i always kinda figured with everything else being the way it is, before i switched, that linux surely should have better tools for that than windows

but not even close

[nocturne olive]

It's weird indeed

The one thing Linux somehow doesn't do as well

[fast pagoda]

just lack of community investment and need/want i guess

[jagged turtle]

so I just looked it up, mcp is just for agent-to-tool capabilities whereas the other two were more focused on agent-to-agent capabilities

[fast pagoda]

i was meming

but yeah that is right

you can kinda do the same shit with any of them but the other 2 are much more focused on agentic silliness

[jagged turtle]

I mean honestly if all of those were donated to the AAIF (and maybe merging A2A and ACP) it would be better

there should be a open standard to connect to multiple models cross-platform that stays as vendor-neutral as possible as well

[fast pagoda]

well

a2a is google

and acp is IBM i think

so good luck w/ that

[jagged turtle]

oh

[fast pagoda]

lol

well i stand corrected

so they all are under linux foundation now

that's crazy

new dark horse in the AI sphere appears: fucking linux foundation of all things

when linux IPO

[jagged turtle]

Yeah, albeit I think right now the Linux Foundation directly manages ACP/A2A as opposed to throwing it into AAIF

mainly because AAIF was literally just formed

[nocturne olive]

According to it was up to the vendors
Not sure who to trust

[fast pagoda]

how the tf is it up to the vendors

they dont even control their drivers fully

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, ask

[fast pagoda]

i will consult the duck

[jagged turtle]

I feel like ACP being used for one-way model delegation and A2A being two-way model communication aren't big distinguishing factors

so the fact they merged isn't surprising to me

[fast pagoda]

yeah ive never been able to truly figure out why they had to be separate things

that's why i said theyre kinda the same shit

[jagged turtle]

what's more surprising is the Linux Foundation actually taking an interesting in AI stuff

[fast pagoda]

makes sense with the prevalence of linux in training and just ML in general

wonder what linus' feelings on this are lol

[jagged turtle]

true

[jagged turtle]

I don't think linus cares if it's the foundation doing it

[fast pagoda]

i just wanna see someone ask him why he personally now controls MCP/ACP/A2A and see how he wishes death upon them

[jagged turtle]

in the recent github interview though he did say to the interviewer "are you going to say the AI word" which makes me think he's kinda tired of this bs

[fast pagoda]

he seems to keep off pretty much all socials

except email

according to the ltt video lol

[glad path]

when is asahi linux gonna become a thing for m3

wheen

[jagged turtle]

his social media contact is the LKML

[glad path]

im impatient

[nocturne olive]

Well have fun
And totally report the results back to here

[fast pagoda]

as soon as apple documents anything

[glad path]

so never

[fast pagoda]

yep

[glad path]

damn it

[jagged turtle]

quote from github's interview, first-party transcription

[glad path]

if its not a thing by sep. 2027 im screwed

they're gonna stop rollign security patches to sonoma next year

and sequoia goes next in 2027

and i fucking hate tahoe

[fast pagoda]

didnt asahi's main dev quit as fuck

[glad path]

yes

[fast pagoda]

welp

[glad path]

do you think two years is enough

[jagged turtle]

something else that I learned is that github does reaction videos to their own content

[fast pagoda]

back to the good ol XNU world for your mac in circa 2027

[glad path]

but like..

its sillicon

[fast pagoda]

lmao that sounds interesting actually

[glad path]

asahi is the only other os that can run on apple silicon other than macos

[fast pagoda]

yeah but it's apple's sillycon

apple involved = rip open anything working with any support from apple and often at all

the best part is that their shit is based on the obviously supported arm base and they still managed to document so little and fucked with the uncore so much it's impossible to get it working

[glad path]

i knwo someone whose father works at apple

time to spam them

[fast pagoda]

their head of silicon is like leaving apple asap isnt he

[glad path]

to convince them

[fast pagoda]

maybe he'll leak

[glad path]

to nag their father

to convince other employees

to convince most of the company

to

document

their

god

damn

fucking

platform

[fast pagoda]

aw Johny Srouji isn't leaving actually that was apparently just a rumour according to him

but also who knows

[glad path]

ANYTHING but macos 26

[fast pagoda]

just go ahead and email Johny Srouji

[glad path]

i dont want to loose the launchpad

[jagged turtle]

yeah surprised A2A/ACP aren't a founding project as well

[glad path]

and also liquid glass is terrible

[fast pagoda]

you could always get a different system

in the next 2 years

[glad path]

i cant spell

[fast pagoda]

disgust

[glad path]

i dont want to buy a new laptop

mine was like

3000

dollars

insanely pricey

[fast pagoda]

sell it to some apple dingus who will buy it for $3000 in 7 years anyways because they dont know better

[glad path]

sob

apple is scam

[fast pagoda]

people pay ridiculously inflated money for like 10 year old macbook pros and think they just got a huge deal

because average apple enjoyer awareness level

[glad path]

that said, even macos 26 is better than windows

i just hate windows a ton

the one thing you do actually get is pretty good peace of mind

macos is incredibly stable

[fast pagoda]

it has to be because have you ever seen a macos user troubleshoot anything

[glad path]

i get crashes like

once in five months

last crash was from opening obs

which randomly triggered a kernel panic

happened like

september i think?

[fast pagoda]

average nix + obs moment

[glad path]

in all seriousness macOS tahoe isn't that bad

i just use the launchpad quite a lot

so

it's really annoying to need a third party replacement for it

since they removed it in tahoe

[fast pagoda]

i have never seen a person who actually mains macos, and isn't a literal active mac dev already, successfully troubleshoot anything

[glad path]

I main macos

i literally like never need to troubleshoot tho

im not joking

the last time i had an issue was with a 7 year old intel mac which had some kinda issue with its keyboard

it spammed the z key

[fast pagoda]

i could believe that, the reason i was going to cite is a total lack of experience in it

[glad path]

and the a key types z's and a's

sometimes the a key failed

i tried reinstalling macos

didnt help

in the end i installed karabind elements

or whatever

unbound the z key

[fast pagoda]

was the keyboard fine lol

[glad path]

fixed it mostly

[fast pagoda]

like did you try the keyboard on another system

[glad path]

but by then I was already using a different laptop

[glad path]

idk

it was a laptop

so

[fast pagoda]

i see

[glad path]

yeah i lived

it wasnt terrible tbh

just really annoying

[fast pagoda]

sounds like about the average best case macOS fix to an issue tbh

[glad path]

it would go away for long periods of time

then reappear

then vanish again like 4 days later

thats

[fast pagoda]

reinstall entire system and then disable a letter of the keyboard and live with it anyways

[glad path]

literally

the only issue ive ever had

[fast pagoda]

most of the apple ecosystem issues i see people having are iOS related

did they hurry up and merge them more yet

[glad path]

one of the main reasons I like macs is because they just work, no questions asked

never need to bother with drivers and whatnot

updates aren't forced

most things are available on mac nowdays

and I can just use wine if something isnt

[fast pagoda]

it's easy to not have any drivers needed when your system is meant to run on a set of very specific configurations and those configurations only

[glad path]

yeah

theres an advantage to the closed ecosystem

[fast pagoda]

i cant remember the last time i manually installed a driver on linux or windows though, except nvidia drivers on linux

[glad path]

its just nice

i can't say other systems aren't nice

[fast pagoda]

my dad had a macbook pro for a while and every time i used it, it was fast, lasted a long time, stable etc

[glad path]

because I have never once touched linux, surprisingly

[fast pagoda]

it was just so boring tho

[glad path]

wym

[fast pagoda]

battery life was the most exciting part of it

there was no feature that wowed at all

[glad path]

ah yes the myth of amazing battery life

[fast pagoda]

it was just

computer

[glad path]

the battery life is like

good

but

not exemplary

[fast pagoda]

better than wandows is all it needs to be

[glad path]

like 4 hours at most

not 24h like they advertise

lol

when my laptop was new I watched it stay at like 99% for literally like 20 minutes straight

[fast pagoda]

honestly in college the folks that had macbooks had pretty goddamn good battery life, theyd last through all classes without a charge and stuff, but this was like 2015

[glad path]

then 98% for like 18

[fast pagoda]

but yes anything isn't going to live up to a claim like 24hr battery life generally because most of those claims are like

[glad path]

yep

[fast pagoda]

*mixed usage

**closed lid for 16 hours

[glad path]

considering that a lot of mac users are likely just normal people

like

[fast pagoda]

they are

and that's why they tended to last so long

[glad path]

it's genuinely not a bad choice for a laptop

[fast pagoda]

they werent on the damn thing but to take notes

[glad path]

it'll absolutely last a while

great battery life since you'll just be using chrome or whatever

[fast pagoda]

right

[glad path]

portable

[fast pagoda]

very low impact

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no crashes

no random updates

peace of mind

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yeah i mean i would not mind a mbp hardwarewise at all to roll around with

i would put linux on it though, but i also would be buying an x86 one probably

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the speakers might be an underrated part

no one talks about the fact that macs randomly have insanely nice speakers for like no reason

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because insanely nice speakers in the context of a laptop are still laptop speakers end of the day

polish a turd

it's still a turd

you now have it all over yourself tho

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i mean

for a laptop speaker it's really good

doesn't beat an actual stereo system

or a proper headset though

but you can get a headset for less than $999

so that's an important thing to look at

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rright but that's the issue is what im saying, nobody talks about a really good laptop speaker because it's still a laptop speaker so it's never gonna be good enoguh to be worth talking about unless it's so good it's eclipsing real setups which it never will by nature

how are iphone speakers these days

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when it comes down to it macbooks are very nice and you do get a premium feeling product
...for literal thousands...

i think they're decent

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phone speakers are interesting

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idk

i dont own a phone

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more interesting than laptops anyways

the sound some of them manage to produce is kinda crazy

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dont want a phone either

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yes

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aren't they busy trying to merge ios and macos

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no

i havent heard a thing abt that

they made ipad os a bit more like macos

thats all

ios didnt get that

just ipad os

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oh you are right

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nrrrr

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idk i barely pay attention to anything applesphere except what i catch as it flies by me

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i only know this because i own an ipad

and i installed the ipados 26 beta

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although i do greatly wish their sillycon was more documented and able to run other things

because i'd love to run an m5

in a laptop

but that'll be like

2067

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at least we got rosetta

would be worse if you couldn't run things with an x86 architecture

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yeah

is the steam arm shit coming to macos

i wonder

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apple should make a fork of wine ngl