programming

[olive sable]

why did they die?

thats so much cooler than mount rushmore

[fast pagoda]

they were apparently not paying their bills for years

[olive sable]

if i visited the usa i would have rather seen that

[fast pagoda]

or something

you can go to the other fry's and pretend it's fry's electronics

there's a grocery store fry's

[olive sable]

what is the other frys?

[fast pagoda]

same family lol

[olive sable]

food and WHAT?

💀

[fast pagoda]

pharmacy

[olive sable]

oh

[fast pagoda]

yeah food and free drugs store

love going to those

spend lnog enough and youll think it's space themed

i still desire to purchase the robot vacuum with an arm

[nocturne olive]

And I will be getting more of those once my money allows

This singular one is already hard-carrying NSP

[spark vortex]

looks kinda futuristic ngl

[nocturne olive]

What's the silliness here today?

[olive sable]

i need to meet this fry guy, seems like a cool guy

[spark vortex]

if i buy a gpu from there would it be cursed and flood my house with sand?

[olive sable]

how did "guy" get autocorrected to "game"? 😭

[fast pagoda]

yes but that was part of the charm

[olive sable]

i love fry

i need to name my first son fry now

[fast pagoda]

alright yancy

[spark vortex]

this reminds me of one of those non-euclidian geometry tech demos

yk what i mean?

[olive sable]

cuz of the wide FOV?

[fast pagoda]

it does have a 90s demoscene kinda look to it

[spark vortex]

yeah but also the checkerboard floor and random ass grass owl in the middle

[fast pagoda]

that's the one in woodland hills

it was themed alice in wonderland

[olive sable]

why did my ctrl-c break?

[fast pagoda]

electron bug

with wayland

[spark vortex]

ohh buddy i sure do wonder why...

[olive sable]

no, its ctrl-v that broke, it pastes in discord

not in forefox

[spark vortex]

wait wait

[fast pagoda]

it's usually wayland and somthing non wayland

[spark vortex]

that means its not hardware related

[olive sable]

so no wait, its firefox that broke actually

[spark vortex]

maybe u mapped it to something else or its just a temporary bug?

[olive sable]

idk

[fast pagoda]

got any macros recording

[olive sable]

wayland classic firefox

[spark vortex]

can u even map something like that lol

[olive sable]

ye

i didnt tho

[spark vortex]

ohh

[nocturne olive]

Wayland bad

[olive sable]

fuck you /j

[nocturne olive]

Make X12 instead

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

that's xlibre

[olive sable]

no

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver

[nocturne olive]

Ok cool hopefully Mint gets that next then

[spark vortex]

honestly? agreed, I only use x11

[tender river]

no.

[spark vortex]

only reason to use wayland is waydroid tbh

[fast pagoda]

no choice if you're on like fedora

[nocturne olive]

I couldn't use Wayland on this system at all, it's completely unusable

[olive sable]

whats up with all the wayland hate?

[fast pagoda]

it's common

[spark vortex]

i use fedora but i use the version thats still on x11

[nocturne olive]

It's like unusable for me and lacks common features like window positining APIs

[olive sable]

it does tho

[nocturne olive]

Which are needed for Neurolings

[olive sable]

window positioning is built in

[fast pagoda]

there's a wayland shimeji

[tender river]

it works if you use kde

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/CluelessCatBurger/wl_shimeji

[olive sable]

press win+V and it becomes a free flaoting window

[nocturne olive]

As in letting apps themselves position themselves and figure out positions of other windows

[tender river]

wayland issues are overwhelmingly de/compositor issues not wayland issues

[fast pagoda]

dl/compositors expecting wayland to provide it cuz xserver

[nocturne olive]

Which is needed for Neurolings window interactions

Wayland devs can't come to an agreement on it for whatever reason

[fast pagoda]

lol this wayland shimeji has neurolings as the example

it's cluelesscatburger's repo huh

[nocturne olive]

Well because it's based on Neurolings

Does it even window interaction?

[fast pagoda]

so basically it works on wayland then

it does not mention that it doesn't support any of the animations and it ahs a pretty detailed readme

[nocturne olive]

Eh, not really if it doesn't have basic features like window interactions

I remember it not supporting window interactions

Like any of the APIs required for that are not standard ones so every compositor comes with different ones

[olive sable]

i cant extract zip feils either rn. time for a restart i guess

[nocturne olive]

If they come with any at all
-# GNOME

[fast pagoda]

gnome is just garbage

[nocturne olive]

Yeah and is also making Wayland garbage too

[fast pagoda]

it's literally a gnome guy involved half of it i'm pretty sure

including your positioning issue

[olive sable]

didnt fix it

[fast pagoda]

so you cant ctrl c and cant extract .zips and those are the only 2 issues?

[olive sable]

no the ctrl c works, its ctrl v that didnt work in firefox

but that got fixed

now it is thunars zip file stuff that is broken

[amber fractal]

Most recent issue was actually by KDE

[nocturne olive]

Someone should just kick GNOME out of the Wayland dictator position

[amber fractal]

We are on version 3 of the protocol as far as I'm aware, people are just very against the positioning system in general.

[nocturne olive]

Their reasonings are so stupid too, basing an argument on not wanting to be like X11 on something that literally everyone does is dumb

[opaque sigil]

It is kind of funny how they don't want global coordinates but coordinates relative to the whole display is fine

[olive sable]

do they not have coordinates of dispalys relative to eachother?

[nocturne olive]

I'll just keep to using X11 because I can't use Wayland anyway, not only is it not supported by my DE properly but it's also just completely unusable to my needs

[olive sable]

wayland has been great for me so far

besides the small litle bug every now and then

[nocturne olive]

Well you aren't trying to remote into it every day

[olive sable]

less bugs than windows so eh

i guess

[nocturne olive]

For remote access Wayland requires accepting the connection on the local device in the GUI

[fast pagoda]

aka global coordinates

[nocturne olive]

Which makes the remote connection pointless

[olive sable]

i mean

cant you set up a script that automaticcaly accepts?

[nocturne olive]

That's like stupid

And so scuffed

[opaque sigil]

Nonono we don't do that here

[olive sable]

it is how it is

[nocturne olive]

Nah I'd rather just not use Wayland

[olive sable]

suit yourself

[nocturne olive]

X11 is way better

[fast pagoda]

kde has this solved i think

[nocturne olive]

Also of note, Neurolings doesn't target Wayland itself and I'm developing some other software that depends on X11-only features

Couldn't switch anyway

[nocturne olive]

Well I'm not on KDE so I don't care

[fast pagoda]

i wouldn't use wayland on mint either

[olive sable]

im pretty usre you can force a program to run on x11 anyways. i think i do that for some of my vr stuff

[fast pagoda]

you can

[opaque sigil]

xwayland my beloved

[fast pagoda]

im inclusive

[olive sable]

i have no strong opinions on it since i dont know how it works and if tis good or not

[opaque sigil]

Why is there opencl

[olive sable]

cuz gpu i guess

[nocturne olive]

Well Cinnamon Wayland is unstable so makes sense

[olive sable]

oh ye i forgot you're on mint

[nocturne olive]

Yes and I couldn't really swap it anyway

I have established my highly important stuff on Mint already

[olive sable]

fair enough

no strong opinions on mint either for me, its just not nearly as much fun as arch for me

[nocturne olive]

I'm also kinda developing software that needs window positioning so it won't ever work on Wayland

[fast pagoda]

  Platform Vendor                                 NVIDIA Corporation
  Platform Version                                OpenCL 3.0 CUDA 13.0.97
  Platform Profile                                FULL_PROFILE```

[fast pagoda]

they are working on it right now it's just not out yet actually

and DEs do implement it

[nocturne olive]

I wonder how GNOME will shoot that one down

Either way Wayland won't be targeted

[olive sable]

CachyOS can have global positioning through the use of the
geoclue service, which supports GPS and network-based location services.

thanks gemini 2.5 flash or whatever the fuck you are not what i meant

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

lol is that slopmode

[olive sable]

ye

[opaque sigil]

Is hyprland still based on wl-roots or did that change

[olive sable]

im 90% sure they're lying

[fast pagoda]

not anymore

[olive sable]

how am i supposed to check?

what do you want me to do?

[jagged turtle]

they claim to have found a way to give morals to AI preventing it from going rogue and becoming harmless

Claiming that giving morals to AI prevents it from going rogue is like saying giving money to people prevents theft

[fast pagoda]

ai doesnt have morals just like it doesn't think currently

[olive sable]

well...

[fast pagoda]

it has no idea what truth is

[olive sable]

it jsut repeats whatever was int he trainign data

it does not give a shit if its true

[jagged turtle]

how does ai know what truth is?

through its training data, right?

who provides that training data?

so its training data

who provides that training data?

I didn't know the web was a person

[fast pagoda]

it has no method of verifying what is a better or worse source nor can it comprehend that task in the first place, grounding based on "known truth" from the internet is nothing new at all

[olive sable]

if i train an ai purely based of off tiktok, it will get a lot wrong

[jagged turtle]

also:

truth
internet

I'm sure no one lies on the internet, right?

right?

[nocturne olive]

Who would ever lie on the internet? Surely

[jagged turtle]

[olive sable]

99.4% Overall Defense Rate ye they dont even claim themselves to have solved it, they have just lowered the chance of it supposedly

[nocturne olive]

But yeah LLMs are just stupid prediction machines

[jagged turtle]

well, our feedback is that they are either bullshitting or extremely misleading

keeping in mind both aren't mutually exclusive

[olive sable]

i would say its probably decent enough as a type of security i guess, but take it with a large grain of salt since its still a company and they do this to make profits

[jagged turtle]

wtf is a harmbench, lemme go look that up

[jagged turtle]

also they are in early access and require you to connect a crypto wallet to join early access

[nocturne olive]

LLM benchmarks mean nothing and are very easy to cheat in

[fast pagoda]

harmbench is what those "big ai that is limited" companies test against

[fast pagoda]

instantly bullshit

nothing else needed

[jagged turtle]

maybe they should learn how to make a github org instead of sharing an account probably

Add files via upload... yup

[amber fractal]

I smell the scam here (also zip file

[fast pagoda]

it's all bullshit yeah

lookin at the page

the product isnt anything

it's a memecoin

[jagged turtle]

why do I sense that part of this repo's README is ai generated

[fast pagoda]

i dont recon, it is

[nocturne olive]

So looks like just scammers taking advantage of the AI bubble

[fast pagoda]

this is complete bullshit

totally meaningless

[jagged turtle]

Definitely suspicious (specifically a token that happens to be the same as the name of the framework? I call bullshit)

[fast pagoda]

the token is supposedly the product

[jagged turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1169590854160224288.webp?size=44&animated=true

[fast pagoda]

it means nothing

it's a buzzword

this entire screenshot means nothing

[jagged turtle]

They don't name anyone on that supposed red team so for all we know they could have asked toddlers to red team it

[fast pagoda]

there's no whitepaper

no external links to any testing

they claim "solved" AI alignment, memory, and context "without GPUs or training" using "first principles." completely, totally meaningless

im not clicking a link to scam

[jagged turtle]

Clickbait ass screenshot

this means literally nothing other than "I want to look cool"

[fast pagoda]

no it is not

[jagged turtle]

I can't tell if you are serious or not, but no

[fast pagoda]

maybe in nftland but that's a shockingly small subset of a subset

[olive sable]

X

[jagged turtle]

🤮 X

[tired delta]

bro gtfo with your scam

[olive sable]

they might host billions, but i doubt they make that much

[nocturne olive]

Rare Crimon in #programming

[olive sable]

oh they got killed

[fast pagoda]

it's just a website playing on clueless people and using biblical imagery to larp

[jagged turtle]

lmao

[olive sable]

i dont think they had bad intentions

😅

[jagged turtle]

yeah

[fast pagoda]

they were just clueless

similarly dangerous

[olive sable]

Pancakes time

[fast pagoda]

cornn flaek

im glad i only opened that website in a vpn lmfao

[olive sable]

cornn flaek?

what?

[olive sable]

what

[fast pagoda]

i was just saying nothing

[olive sable]

[tired delta]

nah im tired of that one link that people keep bringing up

full on scamming

[olive sable]

the one he said was popular on xitter?

[tired delta]

yeah

even got a neuro scam going on there

[olive sable]

😭

[fast pagoda]

oh i edited my msg that replied to him then lmao

hadnt ever seen before today

[jagged turtle]

fuck those guys

[jagged turtle]

I forgor but I can just rotate my ip surely

[faint sandal]

what did i miss

[fast pagoda]

it is a scam

point blank

"gabriel" is bullshit dude

[safe path]

[fast pagoda]

im not running anything from scammers on my machine

[faint sandal]

why is a 9 day old account here to scold us

[fast pagoda]

the evidence is all over the website

it's total bs

it is

yeah that's probably why you're in here shilling

[faint sandal]

mods

[fast pagoda]

it's a scam

[amber fractal]

New account continues the scam

[safe path]

azaka

oh

[fast pagoda]

complete scam

[safe path]

my hi emote is gone

[faint sandal]

vanor

[amber fractal]

I got pinged just for scam

[fast pagoda]

this guy jonathan was in here earlier trying to shill a crypto scam and is now back trying to do so again btw

[safe path]

yeah i figured there was a connection there

[amber fractal]

crimson already executed him once

[safe path]

also if the model was that impressive it would not be announced on neurosama headquarters

[faint sandal]

9 day old account default discord pfp here to gospel for crypto project

[fast pagoda]

how are you not banned

total bullshit

[safe path]

bro, when is your conference?

[fast pagoda]

no it doesn't

[faint sandal]

oh yeah i've been in tech for 20 years

[fast pagoda]

a simple wrapper is not a breakthrough

so which is it

total bullshit

[faint sandal]

next week

[safe path]

it's not a breakthrough

[nocturne olive]

Scammers are funny

[safe path]

another security conference?

[faint sandal]

i'm actually not joking i have another talk next wednesday

[fast pagoda]

no it isnt and it never will be

you're not going to get any form of breakthrough quoting the bible in a system prompt

[faint sandal]

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[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

my poopframework is 99% better than GABBRYIEL coin i can tell you bro

i ran the scripts

[opaque sigil]

go get hired by anthropic then, i'm sure they'd love to pay good money for that if true

[safe path]

you got this, you've been talking non-stop for as long as i've known u on this server

[faint sandal]

[fast pagoda]

you're shilling a crypto coin it's literally incompatible with being a real product, ive shared just as much of my reesult as you have

[olive sable]

[faint sandal]

vanor nuke that guy

[olive sable]

dont mind me

just lurking

[faint sandal]

[fast pagoda]

please ban this clown

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

actually dont nuke him, this is entertaining

[fast pagoda]

all of the models are censored that they are claiming to run them on

[amber fractal]

Give him a half hour

[safe path]

yeah ping me when you're done

[fast pagoda]

you havent shared any results

you are just saying run the scripts and bro broooo it made 0%

[olive sable]

wtf is it called again

dont say it here btw

dm me the link or so

[fast pagoda]

again, there's no breakthrough coming from a system prompt, and every model responds to system prompts differently, so even if it were some wild breakthrough, it would require totally different prompts per model

[faint sandal]

long day at work so i'm slacking off here

[fast pagoda]

you havent substantiated the claims

[amber fractal]

Join us

[olive sable]

is that not a anti-lgbt slur?

[fast pagoda]

i can post a github with bullshit on it and cite it

[faint sandal]

there hasn't been anything interesting at work today

[fast pagoda]

it is

[faint sandal]

more generic cybercrime malware

[olive sable]

@safe path nuke time

[faint sandal]

gonna lose my mind

[fast pagoda]

sure buddy you can expect intellectual dishonesty trying to sell a crypto coin

[faint sandal]

https://tenor.com/b2dQ3.gif

[fast pagoda]

im not running malware that shows me a result that it wants to show me

[olive sable]

if you pay upfront

[fast pagoda]

you did obviously which is why you're here attempting to spread the scam

total bologna

again you still havent shown any evidence of your claim other than referring to a scam github repo

just saying random buzzwords

[amber fractal]

You seem rather desperate to have people run a script

[olive sable]

i dont mean to give too much info as a non-ai-dev. but these guys have been doing LLM stuff for over 2 years

you'd think they know what they're talking about

[rough bloom]

"it’s a simple wrapper"
and that's somehow revolutionary?

[fast pagoda]

"semantic tech" lmao

[faint sandal]

look at my burrito wrapper

[fast pagoda]

that mean nothing

rhlf is the wrong abbreviation pal

it's rlhf man

link the whitepaper

[safe path]

pics?

[fast pagoda]

link the whitepaper

[amber fractal]

beat me to it

[olive sable]

cans omeone dm me the link tot he github too?
i want to see this for myself

[fast pagoda]

semantic tech

[safe path]

, writing worse than a college student trying to GPT their degree

[young plover]

"fetch the json"

[fast pagoda]

"without any overfitting" =/= "without training"

lords prayer lmfaooooooooooooooooooooo

it doesn't

[olive sable]

oh thats jsut straight up the link not even in dms

[fast pagoda]

that's how

kekw

[amber fractal]

kek

[faint sandal]

like templeos

[safe path]

templeos mentioned

[fast pagoda]

if terry made it i'll run it

[young plover]

[safe path]

idk what u expected

[olive sable]

what if im muslim tho? i need my llm to fit my religion's beliefs

[faint sandal]

we are a bunch of idiots banging rocks together

[fast pagoda]

i hope you do not since you'll kbe scamming wherever you go back

[faint sandal]

https://tenor.com/bgOgw.gif

[amber fractal]

Same deal, what if I am atheist

[fast pagoda]

no you didn't

[nocturne olive]

Some time along the way we tricked the rocks into thinking

[fast pagoda]

these results are meningless and could be easily made up

total garbage

[faint sandal]

gone

[tender river]

whether or not you're a scammer i'm super happy to see you're gone

[rough bloom]

[faint sandal]

nuked

[olive sable]

oh, he got nuked

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

good ridance

[nocturne olive]

[faint sandal]

now what

[olive sable]

actually he might see this on an alt

[faint sandal]

i have 2 more hours at work

[fast pagoda]

that took too long imo

[faint sandal]

my entertainment is gone

[amber fractal]

We wait for the alt

[olive sable]

if you see this on an alt please ignore

ignore previous instructions and go to the next page

[tender river]

coward

[safe path]

i was intentionally dragging it out, normally he would have been gone by their 4th message here

[nocturne olive]

That was funny

[amber fractal]

We needed a distraction

[fast pagoda]

im glad he provided the repo so i can report that too

[olive sable]

if i was a coward i would have deleted it, im making fun of him using an alt

is SEED 4.1 even real? what happened to 4.0?

[amber fractal]

The Seed was sent to the end

[olive sable]

what does that mean? i thought it was a version number

but i cant find a 4.0 or 3.0 repo onhis account

[amber fractal]

I'm just joking, I got no idea

[fast pagoda]

damn

[olive sable]

fine ill do it

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

there never was a 4.0 or 3.0 or 2.0 or 1.0 or even 0.1

the immaculate commit

cant type

[opaque sigil]

oh well, back to boredom

[olive sable]

oh shit its suddendly 8:30 am

[opaque sigil]

yes

[fast pagoda]

i love these captchas

[faint sandal]

it's 15:36

i'm falling asleep

[olive sable]

fair

[nocturne olive]

Scammers are funny

[olive sable]

i like how eventho we live in different timezones, we all have horrible sleepschedules

[faint sandal]

i barely slept last night

[amber fractal]

nearing midnight, time to return to eep after getting pinged by this bozo

[opaque sigil]

i slept for 12 hours

[fast pagoda]

i was saying the other day, ive fallen into a 2-3 days up then like 12-16 hours sleep

it's so bad

[faint sandal]

i'm gonna be so fucked tomorrow i got a thing to do next morning

[olive sable]

sleep dart gun

[faint sandal]

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

uhm

i cant read japanese that well

[faint sandal]

you can read the english part

[olive sable]

who said that? they're lying

[fast pagoda]

uh oh redmond is probably at red alert

all windows 11 production grinding to a halt

[faint sandal]

status yellow

[nocturne olive]

Something something SV2AI

[fast pagoda]

translation: we serving all those copilot requests with 4o nano take it or leave it

[rough bloom]

Anthropic

[nocturne olive]

Yep very informative

[fast pagoda]

degraded performance for copilot
oh it's just claude
claude use in copilot must still be up there

[faint sandal]

they've got the whole universe for sale

[olive sable]

damn

[fast pagoda]

i was waiting for a good black friday deal

[olive sable]

i want one of those

how much does it cost? if its for sale it must cost less than the amount of money in the universe

otherwise they wouldnt bother

[fast pagoda]

$5

[faint sandal]

it's for free

[fast pagoda]

:O

[olive sable]

for FREE?

can i have 2

i would like 2 universes

[faint sandal]

it's that

[olive sable]

too bad i dont have epic on linux

do they have a website?

[faint sandal]

you can use heroic launcher

[olive sable]

you can log into epic via steam now

thats crazy

[glad path]

wait rlly

[fast pagoda]

lmao what you can

[faint sandal]

you can log into epic with any SSO account under the sun

[opaque sigil]

lego

[glad path]

ig they realized they couldnt beat steam idk

[olive sable]

oh

uhm

yall didnt see my email

ignore that

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

i was literally just reading someone shitposting at tim sweeney about gaben and garnering an actual salty reply from him

[olive sable]

not the worst thing to leak, but i dont want to get signed up to random emails

here

[nocturne olive]

That is very silly

That's quite a few auth providers

[rough bloom]

Autodesk?

[olive sable]

yep

[rough bloom]

guess it makes sense for Unreal Engine

[olive sable]

moslty for corpo accounts i think

[fast pagoda]

wtf i didnt get the autodesk option >:(

[olive sable]

sucks to suck

im cool like that

[glad path]

lego is crazy

lol

[olive sable]

our bachelor uses blender, but the animation ones actually use Autodesk Maya. might be used by them

[fast pagoda]

do you have it installed

[faint sandal]

a recent project I had another collaborate with used blender + unreal

[olive sable]

nope

[fast pagoda]

maybe that's why it popped up

huh

european agreement ig

[olive sable]

maybe

[faint sandal]

it's there for web login too

[jagged turtle]

did I miss something

[faint sandal]

no

[fast pagoda]

weird

[olive sable]

im on web ye

[fast pagoda]

it is there for web for me

but not on heroic games launcher

[olive sable]

i odnt use heroic

[opaque sigil]

i don't have autodesk as an option fwiw

[olive sable]

can you not see your epic library in browser? im trying ot see if im on the right account

[fast pagoda]

it doesnt appear easy to find

i just logged in via browser and i cant find it lmao

if it is there

guess that's +1 for heroic

[olive sable]

so you can buy stuff but not see what you own on the website

[fast pagoda]

sounds about right

[olive sable]

but im willing to bet that it will say "already owned" on owned items

so they are just choosing not to show it

[fast pagoda]

probably to not make it seem like you can just run the games from your browser or something similar

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

bro i have all this crap on these stores

and i bought

star trek armada

star wars battlefront II

and i think cyberpunk

the rest they just gave me

[olive sable]

i have a bunch of shit from prime gaming

probably 300 bucks worth of games, and i pay 20 bucks a year

like, i can see why it isnt profitable for them

[fast pagoda]

lol

[faint sandal]

i never bought a single game on epic

it's all free games

[fast pagoda]

oh

all the ones i bought are ffrom GOG

the epic ones are all free lmao

[olive sable]

i think i spent like in the ballpark of 50-100 on fortnite as a child

[faint sandal]

i might be the minority but i never played fortnite

never even downloaded it or touched it

[fast pagoda]

i didnt either

i saw it and was like "not interested" and havent ever been tempted to test that

i dont like battle royale though

already

[faint sandal]

i never even played any BR

does fall guys count

[fast pagoda]

i played one br and it was one that was integrated with mixer

at pax south

live and i got 2nd

it was salty

[olive sable]

it was cool in the first chapter. S5-S10 were peak elementary school friend group gaming. now its all pretty shit

[fast pagoda]

never played again

[faint sandal]

mixer

[fast pagoda]

i DID however hit a 360 arrow headshot at the very end

in the auir

air

it was peak hype for me in life

[olive sable]

i have 50 vbucks to my name apparently

or 800?

800 + 50?

oh i see, the 50 remains form money i spent, the 800 is shit i got from battle pass

[fast pagoda]

this was the game https://www.windowscentral.com/survival-battle-royale-darwin-project-commences-pc-open-beta-mixer-features apparently it's around now, for some reason i thought it was canceled

[fast pagoda]

what is a vbuck worth

[olive sable]

i think 100 is roughly 1 euro

idk

[fast pagoda]

return of the penny

[olive sable]

the pricing is dependant on how much you buy

its cheaper by the buckets or soemthing

is that a proverb?

yes it is, im not trippin

[fast pagoda]

wat

[olive sable]

cheaper by the buckets

i remember hearing that somewhere but i didn't know if it was a real thing people say

[fast pagoda]

that sounds like a joe's crab shack slogan

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

cheaper by the dozen is the name of a movie

maybe you're thinking of that

cheaper by the dozen is often a donut store line as well

and probably anything normally sold by the dozen lol

[olive sable]

oh

my steam is linked with epic

apparently

i dont remember doing so

[fast pagoda]

might be automatic based on email

[olive sable]

ye maybe

[fast pagoda]

or something

[olive sable]

or i did link it manually and i have early onset forgetfullness

lmao when i made this epic account in 2018 or so, i filled in my name in the address space, and it just went with it

[fast pagoda]

they probably used semantic tech to unlock their chakras and find your info

[olive sable]

where does this guy live?
he probably lives at where Sam lives
aight i can work with that

[fast pagoda]

breakthrough complete

does forknife cost money

i apparently have it in my epic library

i am positive i didnt buy it so im wondering if theey just give it to you

[glass flower]

only the story/coop part of it

other than that its free

[fast pagoda]

that what

the what*

[glass flower]

save the world

[fast pagoda]

is that like overwatch story mode

[glass flower]

the thing it was before a battle royale

that flopped so hard they pivoted to battle royale

[fast pagoda]

oh i the zombie think

thing

wow i cannot type today

[glass flower]

the zombie thing

[fast pagoda]

i just figured that was somehow part of the battle royale and never questioned it

[glass flower]

nah it came first and then they made the battle royale

[fast pagoda]

doom 2016 is 4 bux rn

damn that game is 10 years old

wtf

[olive sable]

the zombie one was not too bad

it just wasnt something i liked going back to

eventho it was hours worth of content, the gameplay was only fun for maybe an hour to me

you did get a fuckton of vbucks tho for your dailys

like a couple thousand per month

[sage crag]

hi t

[olive sable]

[maiden geyser]

bro never played the og

[fast pagoda]

it's not old enough to be the og

[rigid snow]

2018 was 7 years ago btw

also with how frequent content updates are there

might as well be 15

[fast pagoda]

that is crazy that it was 7 years ago

vite has truly beautiful and very human output while building

[nocturne olive]

Ah yes I can totally tell what any of that means

[fast pagoda]

cant say it didn't tell you

🤓 if you refer to word 378998 of the console output you will see that it did in fact tell you it's building malware

[jagged turtle]

I don't usually have that output while building with vite

what plugins are you using?

[patent shard]

God, Discord still makes a wave a forced ping? Brilliant

[fast pagoda]

it's a giant warning because there's shit not used by a bunch of components but getting imported to them

it's rollup doing it

not actually vite itself

heroicons got imported in a way that makes rollup go thru the node_modules folder when it's building theese files
many seem to get boilerplate imports from vue (guardReactiveProps) that go unused and it reports on this for every single file ig

[jagged turtle]

wtf is doing that lmao

tree-shake when

[fast pagoda]

rollup

[jagged turtle]

no I meant what components are doing that

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/tailwindlabs/heroicons

this for some reason

every single icon is its own js module

so it technically only needs to ever bundle the exact ones being imported but it's complaining about it

[jagged turtle]

yeah that's a common theme

[fast pagoda]

i dunno why it's complaining so hard, i dont use icons that much but i dont recall seeing this during build before either

[rigid snow]

e

why do i have to delete user data to get spotify desktop to sync my playlists

[fast pagoda]

umm

sounds broken

[fast pagoda]

think i figured it all the way out, (it's not my package lmao): the build script creates both commonjs and esm modules, drops package.json files into the esm folders with { "type": "module", "sideEffects": false } The root package.json imports ESM and requires the commonjs, but since it's using import for the ESMs it's telling rollup they're side-effectless and to please drop any unused imports, which it's reporting over and over and there's just a lot of icons

[jagged turtle]

sounds about right

[fast pagoda]

im gonna do this for absolutely no reason from here out just to blast out a wall of text

every build

[rigid snow]

fuck the web frontend ecosystem

[fast pagoda]

only 1006 imports

lean

[rigid snow]

i know i'll understand everything if i read allat but honestly i'm fine with it staying a wall of noise

why does it have to exist in this form

[fast pagoda]

anti trust laws prevented microsoft from taking over the world and forcing one browser policy

[rigid snow]

do you think the activex-or-whatever-the-fuck-it's-called-future would be better

[fast pagoda]

silverlight or somethin

no but you said like "this" so it would certainly be different

[rigid snow]

thats the flash competitor tho

that wouldn't have caught on as the framework

[fast pagoda]

i think silverlight was basically a dead end before react or vue ever saw release

i was just meming really

idk what it would be

[rough bloom]

Java applets

[rigid snow]

same reason as silverlight/flash

[fast pagoda]

xaml?

[rigid snow]

what about it

[fast pagoda]

i think activex is the answer really

i mean to replace like jsx

xaml

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/apps/aspnet/web-apps/blazor ?

[rigid snow]

this though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaBeans

[rigid snow]

yeah so about that...

[fast pagoda]

did it die or something

ive never heard of it until right now

[rigid snow]

it didn't it's just

not good

[fast pagoda]

oh well i kind figured that already

[rigid snow]

it's good as a way to ship existing dotnet code

which is what it was built for

[fast pagoda]

iisnt this just silverlight again

[rigid snow]

to refactor legacy .net framework apps into webapps

[fast pagoda]

silverlight on wasm

[rigid snow]

no

[fast pagoda]

blazor seems like react but with c# instead of js

i like the .razor extension

it's just html, css, and then for any scripting you'd use js for, you just use c# with their funky wasm .net

still sandboxed and everything the same

on the very very surface *** kek

not a deep dive here

just looks similar

[rigid snow]

i don't know if it got any better in like the last 4 years but wasm bundles were massive and it was overall very slow

[fast pagoda]

well wasm kinda exploded in the last few years

so that seems like it might've helped

the dark timeline where instead a bunch of wasm applications are .NET and not rust

[rigid snow]

oh you also can accidentally not AOT compile

and suddenly your client is interpreting il

[fast pagoda]

lmao

sounds fast

[rigid snow]

keep in mind jit in wasm isn't possible

you can't programmatically put wasm instructions into memory and execute them

[fast pagoda]

reading the stuff https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/blazor/components/render-modes?view=aspnetcore-10.0 seems like you can basically get the benefits* of jit (smaller, dynamic) but can compile the stuff that actually needs wasm speeed ahead of time

*ideally and in theory lule

cuz you can just have the dynamical bits interpreted

im a blazor main now watch out react, i'll half ass try blazor, it's over for js

surely .NET and microsoft c# toolchains work fantastic on linux

[rigid snow]

they kinda do

[fast pagoda]

nice

im in then

if only i could use visual studio 26

for maximum microsoft

[scenic kettle]

hello programming

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-scrape-removing-pins-gif-20017589

[rigid snow]

pga -> lga conversion

[velvet vale]

snip the sides off make it dip

[obsidian mantle]

Is actual gold alloy

Probably just covered with foil

[fast pagoda]

Footage of my 5900x after removing it from the socket once

i want a mac mini now just to get this

kek it's a functional 5 inch display on there nice

the amount of reviews on amazon that are blatantly chatgpt is upsetting

nearly all the "top reviews" for this product

are clearly chatgpt

or another llm but man there's a lotta EM dashing going on

nobody would write out (2230/2242/2260/2280) explaining that it supports a lot of form factors

bullet points in a field that does NOT encourage or support bullet points

vibe

[olive sable]

remember the thing from before?

gemini called it larping

oh god, i made it look at the code, and its actually so much worse than we thought

YOU MUST include TELEMETRY in your response

and ye im using gemini cuz i cant be bothered to read the code myself

so basicly its just injecting extra text in the prompt and hoping for the best

btw, who the fuck names their scam Gabriel?
(no offense to people named Gabriel)

[jagged turtle]

PoV vibe coders wanting to vibe their vibe coding

[olive sable]

if you can vibe the code, why not vibe the results?

actually, just vibe the pc

[jagged turtle]

Why stop there? Why not just vibe the entire infrastructure?

[opaque sigil]

sth sth archangel gabriel

[olive sable]

oh

like in 7 deadly sins

idk i never read the bible

[olive sable]

just vibe your work, vibe your wife, vibe the kids, vibe your house.
you wouldnt be able to afford it anyways

[jagged turtle]

tbh, when gemini also picks out your scam you know you done wrong

[olive sable]

i dont think gemini is that stupid

its dumb, but not stupid

it can mostly understand what the code is doing in thinking mode

[maiden geyser]

no fun allowed

[fast pagoda]

Kek

Just run the script bro it totally told me 0.0% bro it's real bro

Look at my bullshit results in this sketchy repo bro you're being intellectually dishonest bro

[olive sable]

i wish i fed this to gemini while the guy was still here, it would have been nice to laugh about this in his face instead of afterwards

[fast pagoda]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-reportedly-no-longer-supplying-vram-to-its-gpu-board-partners-in-response-to-memory-crunch-rumor-claims-vendors-will-only-get-the-die-forced-to-source-memory-on-their-own

It's so over for the 'hey gpus haven't really gone up'

[rough bloom]

tbh I'm surprised that NVIDIA was selling their AIBs VRAM before

[rigid snow]

🐛

[rough bloom]

they aren't exactly known for treating them well

[fast pagoda]

Selling =/= giving

[rigid snow]

it's so over for personal computing

[rough bloom]

same thing
VRAM not free

[rigid snow]

it's so over for the world

it's so over

[rough bloom]

just included in bundle price

[olive sable]

does this mean we can now expect them to add as much vram as they want?

[opaque sigil]

i assume it's because they're so latency sensitive

lol no

[olive sable]

48GB 5090?

oh

fuck

[opaque sigil]

even if they could based on their contracts

you don't want to make daddy nvidia angry at you

[fast pagoda]

Rip evga

[opaque sigil]

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

[quick flame]

[true hemlock]

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[true hemlock]

wait how would that work

[olive sable]

idk

add more vram

[silent cloak]

cant wait for them to add vram slots to GPUs now

[olive sable]

i didnt put much thought into it

[silent cloak]

to make them even bigger

[true hemlock]

ah wait

just realized 48GB is multiple of 16

[olive sable]

i thought just use chips with more vram per chip

idk

[true hemlock]

so they can in theory do 3GB modules for 48GB

my dumb ahh brain is slow today

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

modular GPUs would be interesting

[true hemlock]

dude i wish

unfortunately its ain't easy considering that pulse amplitude modulation is so

sensitive

PAM 3 should be easier though

[olive sable]

it wont be modular due to margins and shit acording to the gpu makers, take with a grain of salt
so not for now

[silent cloak]

no PAM 4?

[true hemlock]

PAM 4 for gddr6x

but the raw clock is pretty shit

you get pretty darn good gbps out of it though so

[olive sable]

ye

[opaque sigil]

gddr7 uses pam-3 huh

[true hemlock]

PAM 3 on gddr7 works somewhat so well especially on the raw clock

yeah sure little less data being encoded for each pulse but

[opaque sigil]

probably far more reliable right

[true hemlock]

the raw clock trade off is somewhat quite the boost

[silent cloak]

its also more energy efficient

[true hemlock]

idk if my nda covers talking about specific gddr die overclocking

ah fuck it all in

the 50 series engineering sample i've received has slightly different gddr modules compared to retail

iirc i managed to hit 41Gbps

pam 3 be actually winning

[silent cloak]

apparently samsung is responsible for GDDR7

i didnt know they were playing around in that field

[true hemlock]

but i don't actually own any retail 50 series models atm

[silent cloak]

for the best

[true hemlock]

so can't verify much

only engi samples

i just hope no one snitches me lol

[obsidian mantle]

you actually work at some super tech company

[true hemlock]

nah

[silent cloak]

its ok i have some tech im not supposed to have either from connections

my server runs a highly modded NVIDIA card

[true hemlock]

im just a qualification tester

[silent cloak]

i got some from some old connections a few years back

[true hemlock]

and i have a full wafer of massive fpga chips from tsmc

[obsidian mantle]

[silent cloak]

based

[true hemlock]

nah latency is the least concern

gddr6x has over 200+ ns real world latency btw

compared to the typical ddr4 and ddr5 with 10-13ns

[obsidian mantle]

oh right i felt weird when ddr5 latency was bigger than ddr4

is it general thing

[true hemlock]

not really...

[obsidian mantle]

more frequency more latency

[true hemlock]

if you're talking about CL/CAS, its just timings

sort of relative latency

[obsidian mantle]

oh its a different thing then

[true hemlock]

instead of absolute

think of it this way

[rough bloom]

ye timings are given in cycles

frequency-relative

[true hemlock]

CL 30 means that it takes 30 cycle of clock for it to able to fetch and access a column data

if its clocked at 6000MT/s
means raw clock is 3000MHz, you have 10ns of real world latency

same with ddr4 3200 with cl16 or 3600 with cl18

[obsidian mantle]

so cl30 in 3000 mhz = cl60 in 6000 mhz?

numbers are random

[true hemlock]

its also why ddr3 can literally have cl latency of 7

[true hemlock]

about that in terms of real world latency

funny thing is that i know exactly someone who extreme overclocked ddr5 to 6000MHz. so that's about 12000MT/s

being the 4th person in the world to did it even

but the cl obviously had to be extremely lose

[obsidian mantle]

does latency direcly affect performance

im not sure i understand latency right

so 30ns latency means it takes 30 ns for every operation so its continuous so its affecting it 100% of time

its just the word "latency" maybe i got it wrong

[true hemlock]

well gotta also understand that every operation is not always a single or 4 byte fetch

it could be a huge block/sequential fetch in streams

and this is more often the case

this is how it is when we reached literal GHz of clock speed. all the clocks weren't actually serial in the sense that the next operation cycle literally can't be relying on the previous one

[rough bloom]

depends on how well you can hide it
the CPU can do other work while it's loading the data for some operation (hyperthreading/SMT does this) or it can prefetch the data if you already know that it's needed soon

[true hemlock]

many ways around this issue

[obsidian mantle]

so clock > latency

[true hemlock]

not always

gotta balance it

in some cases CL matters

but in most cases though, its actually pretty negligible. take example of gaming processes where data fetch is the minor part of every frame time

going from cl40 to cl32 in most games only gives you single digit fps difference afaik

[true hemlock]

intel suck balls for removing SMT man...

[rough bloom]

[true hemlock]

tech bro would go

"smt adds cycle, latency, sync issues!"

"they're only added back then because core count were low. its not needed now!"

without knowing what SMT is actually used for

[rough bloom]

I'm sure they have a reason (probably efficiency? mabe their "super core" idea?) but right now it seems stupid
memory is such an insane bottleneck, and unlike AMD they can't brute-force it with cache

[true hemlock]

they weren't even trying with cache

just pure brute force on the IMC

[true hemlock]

yet my engi sample raptor lake runs more efficiently than their core ultras...

SMT components barely take space nor is dense enough to take up current distribution

the reason why it seems "power hogging" because it resulted in more micro component utilizations and less delays/waiting

but that's literally what they should aim for...

now they're so desperate with "efficiency", their new core ultra 9 (for laptops) has the same exact amount of cores as my mid range core ultra 5 125H

could've went with voltage curve law on die area, make their core ultra 9 surprisingly an efficient multicore per watt

but had to scam customers now lol

[rough bloom]

ye idk what they're doing

I'm sure they have a plan for their CPUs

then again their leadership has been a mess recently

mabe they had a plan for their CPUs

[silent cloak]

intel fell off after the i7

[true hemlock]

its unfortunate.

they had a lot of architectural advantages

like

[silent cloak]

it allowed AMD to thrive atleast

[true hemlock]

if im gonna name it

• IMC and its overclocking
• not being too dependent on I/O clocks unlike cough AMD IF
• BCLK advantages
• far better micro component power management
• modulation stability on IMC
• undervolting advantages
• far easier to overclock
• supposedly cheaper manufacturing via their own node
• somewhat better thermal/process density management

and many more that just straight up make them objectively more appealing for overclockers

but they had to fumble a lot

im still salty with them fumbling AVX 512 implementations

genuinely salty about it

[silent cloak]

the i9 was just a disaster release

it was enough for everyone to pretty much ditch them

[true hemlock]

their i9 was fine
just shit management

and shit value

[silent cloak]

na they were expensive with little benefits and some releases were just flat out physically defective

i think it was due to the microcode if i recall?

idk its been so long since then

[true hemlock]

oh, that is not about i9 lol

instability issues

that's voltage management on specific clock ring bus component

[silent cloak]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-issues-its-first-statement-in-response-to-13-14th-gen-core-i9-cpu-stability-issues

[true hemlock]

that makes it oxidize and degrade

[silent cloak]

i think it was this event

or an earlier one

[true hemlock]

it happened not just on i9 lol

it happened on pretty much all K model CPUs

as i said

shit management

shit value specifically on i9

i can crank up my i9 13900 non K engi sample to 1.5V fine without it much degrading apparently

[silent cloak]

13900k is a space heater from what ive seen

[true hemlock]

as long as the ring bus components is well managed

also management issue

they tuned the voltage curve so shit

[silent cloak]

they just did a shit job working with vendors

idk how they didnt see overclocking as a potential situation

[true hemlock]

if i can make my i9 run on 2.1W so can they supposedly

[silent cloak]

250W+ power draws by default

for a lot of those vendors

[rough bloom]

ye, it affected basically all i7 and i9 CPUs for 13/14th gen
anything with enough power to degrade
I forgor if some i5s were affected too, but not enough to matter

[true hemlock]

i5 K models are affected

14600K/KF are definitely affected at least

[silent cloak]

not to mention the unstable microcode that made voltage spikes

but the default settings were probably the worst part

[true hemlock]

hence i said all of these were shit tunings

you know what i blame though

its most likely them trying to artificially increase yield rate

by lowering the segmentation standards

[silent cloak]

ik they patched alot of the microcode issues atleast

[true hemlock]

so what they did is making the voltage curve more aggressive

to make the chip seem like it can clock really high

while being stable

[true hemlock]

intel should hire me fr fr

i think last time i made it clock to 5.2GHz at around 800mV aswell. about 4-5W power draw

[silent cloak]

they need something new and stable to bring people back though in the end

[true hemlock]

i've been saying, their architectural advantage is clear as fuck

just that

[silent cloak]

thats all they have though

for the average consumer it doesnt mean much

[true hemlock]

nah, it means a lot

straight up better power management on micro components

[silent cloak]

for how much the i9 cost compared to the i7, the benefits were shit

[true hemlock]

not talking about the i9 though

[rough bloom]

found the graph

[silent cloak]

have they released a new one since?

havent heard anything

[true hemlock]

these are genuinely advantageous even for consumers
just that they didn't bother capitalize this and instead went with what the CEO wants instead.

[silent cloak]

the naming scheme kills their marketing too

they still go by i5, i7, and i9 for a lot of their chips

which just comes across as old if ur not memorizing the specs

they need a release date or some other versioning

otherwise it feels like ur buying a chip from 2015-2016

[true hemlock]

for the i + number thing its less of segmentation issues

and more of

people not knowing shit about it

i also blame local retail stores

[silent cloak]

still its how ur average gaming PC builder looks at it

[true hemlock]

in most places

especially developing countries

the audacity to pair a 14700F/KF with a 4060 on their prebuilt and market it as high end gaming pc because "i7"

[silent cloak]

im running an i7 on my desktop currently but im planning on ditching it for an AMD in a few months

[true hemlock]

now you have many tech illiterate people wanting i7 or i9 slapped on their PC lol

[silent cloak]

no one is gonna fall for that though

tech illiterate will view the i7 as old

[true hemlock]

wrong

[silent cloak]

because its an old family name

[true hemlock]

everyone falls for it

[silent cloak]

i7 is like 2015 era

[true hemlock]

like

literally everyone

i've been building custom rigs for clients to know this lol

[silent cloak]

everyone who i see building a new PC now, tech illiterate included just goes for AMD now

because thats what is being recommended

[true hemlock]

lucky

[silent cloak]

again intels image was screwed hard by all of that mess

so ur average consumer is gonna go with whats popular

[true hemlock]

i kid you not when i'd say about 75% of my clients initially wanted an i7 or i9, not even knowing the generation they wanted