programming

[jagged turtle]

yep, and so in their eyes the less they need to maintain the more they benefit

[severe path]

And that will lead to their downfall.

[jagged turtle]

yeah... right

I mean you aren't wrong that using JSON is bloaty but it's also not "no excuses" either

[severe path]

There really isn't an excuse. Modern tech companies cannot sustain themselves, and it shows.

Have you seen how buggy Windows 11 is??!?

[tender river]

no using json instead of binary formats has virtually 0 impact on the world

"json is slow" what are you even talking about

[young plover]

Every time I hit "run" on a PR build I probably consume more electricity than the average person does in a week. JSON parsing is so low on priority for efficiency.

[tender river]

if anything json is the fastest because any language nowadays has builtin hyperoptimized decoders/encoders for it

[jagged turtle]

yes. I was using it since beta.
Trust me when I say it is worse.
Also, I'm literally using it right now and have been for school reasons. I have not seen a single bug that can't be attributed to something else (e.x. my gpu)

[severe path]

But like... It adds up if you are a cloud company.

[tender river]

it "adds up" to really small numbers compared to everything else

interchange formats are really the rest of the industry's worries

the least*

[severe path]

Even if it was small (which I don't think it is), it still says something about a company when they skip out on making a better format.

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[tender river]

no it doesnt

[severe path]

Like.... What else are they skipping out on?

Are they actually fixing bugs?

Do they know what they are doing?

[tender river]

this is a really weird "slippery slope" argument because "reinventing json" isn't high on anyone's priority list

standards are good actually

json is a standard

[jagged turtle]

☝️

[severe path]

It begs several questions.

[tender river]

no it doesnt pick better things to complain about

[jagged turtle]

such as? how much money are they willing to throw down the drain to reinvent something that has already been reinvented several times over?

[severe path]

I don't have a problem with JSON. I think it is fine.

I have a problem with the way it is used.

[severe path]

I don't want a square wheel.

It is insane how everyone just copies each other, without any regard for what they are doing.

That is my opinion.

[tender river]

copying works when you dont need innovation

innovation takes time and effort

nobody going to invent a new os and programming language stack just to start a business

thats up to hobbyists or r&d groups

[severe path]

I can make the argument that that is effort very well spent.

[tender river]

its effort not spent on things that immediately earn you money

which is businesses' top priority

[severe path]

Most modern companies don't have brain for brawn...

They are dumb.

[tender river]

sure

i disagree

companies are smart about making money and not letting programmers waste time on good tech when "just barely working" is enough

[severe path]

What I'm saying... Is that just barely working is an awful long-term strategy, and that almost all of these companies will be defunct within the next 10 years.

[tender river]

striving for perfection will get you out of business much quicker than 10 years

[severe path]

Customers want their stuff to work well, all the time... They don't want their stuff to work, with 100 bugs.

I'll prove it to you in time

[tender river]

you'll find that delivery speed matters way more

look at steam front page and count how many of those games use custom engines made just for that game

answer is probably 0 or like a couple

[jagged turtle]

They also wouldn't be able to work without said stuff so, I don't know, which is better, buggy but better experience, or inability to work

[tender river]

if a game has bugs gamers can still play it

if a game hasnt released after 10 years of development gamers cant play it

to be clear, i dont think you cant greatly improve software as a hobbyist if you are super dedicated, i'm just saying your options as a company are very limited

[severe path]

Yeah... Would making an engine from scratch be the problem here?

[jagged turtle]

yes?

more maintenance burden for something that is easily rectified elsewhere

and probably works better

and also probably has more maintenance capacity

[severe path]

I'll stop talking

...

I might come back later

[tender river]

software is bad, yes, we agree

no, its not because companies are "dumb"

that is all

[severe path]

That is a bit of an exaggeration I've made on my part. I'm primarily saying that their strategy is dumb.

[jagged turtle]

in some ways yes but "making our own config problem just to be 1% \"faster\" when we have bigger fish to fry" is the real dumb part

[severe path]

Its reminiscent of a much larger problem at play... The small indicates the large.

I'm sure it would be a far more than 1% improvement.

[tender river]

[jagged turtle]

how would that be "far" more than a 1% improvement

and also, chances are, they aren't gonna make anything faster than each language's json parsers

they are pretty damn fast already

[severe path]

If you chain together 20 1% improvements of every webserver in the organization... That adds up.

It isn't as simple as a 1% improvement.

[jagged turtle]

so unless you're, idfk, the js v8 engine maintenance team (whatever they're called), you're probably not making anything faster

[tender river]

i'll assure you qualitative improvements are much better than quantitative ones

software architecture is much more worthy of a focus than json parsers

[jagged turtle]

or any kind of parser

[tender river]

no parsers can be an exciting topic

[jagged turtle]

it can but software architecture is more worthy of a focus than parsers in general

[severe path]

You can use an ArrayBuffer, if you are so inclined to go down the V8 route.

V8 already has all the features required to not use JSON.

It is in the JS specification, as well, I'm pretty sure.

[tender river]

too bad json is still going to be faster than whatever you write in js

[severe path]

How can you be so sure?

I'm not just talking about CPU cycles here... I'm also talking about network traffic.

[tender river]

network traffic is compressed

which means any regular structure in json is compressed down to roughly how much its actual entropy allows

bringing its size close to what a binary format would be with the same compression

[severe path]

Compression comes with its own set of potential slowdowns.

Are you sure this is faster?

[tender river]

compression is fast because cdns handle it

without cdns, its still fast enough for there to be far more practical issues (again, remember, anything that isnt json will have decoding/encoding overhead because of not having native support)

many companies like google use protobuf though

its a nice format but when json is replaced with binary blobs you lose so much introspection capabilities

[jagged turtle]

also wouldn't it be less costly to compress it? considering most services charge by egress and/or storage

[severe path]

Protobuf isn't bad

[tender river]

thats one thing, and another thing is correctness != good architecture != good performance != reliability

the four often go directly against each other actually

[severe path]

Things aren't that simple. What if what most people think of when they say "good architecture ", is actually not good architecture?

[tender river]

when people say architecture is good they mean it serves some particular purpose well, usually meaning flexibility and openness for future changes

[severe path]

What if they are just an arbitrary set of rules, made for an unknown purpose that can no longer be known?

[tender river]

what if you have to present actual arguments instead of hypotheticals

[jagged turtle]

i think im losing braincells watching this argument instead of doing my work

[severe path]

Perhaps.

But I see this all the time. I see code, I ask someone to explain it, and they can't explain it.

[jagged turtle]

what if they didn't write the code

[severe path]

What if absolutely nobody can explain it?

[tender river]

hey at chat gee pee tee what is a monad

[jagged turtle]

[faint sandal]

pee

[severe path]

What I'm saying is that there are far larger problems at play here

People write code that they cannot explain, for no reason whatsoever, for no explainable purpose whatsoever, to accomplish nothing.

[tender river]

a monad is a monoidal burrito

thank you thank you

[faint sandal]

a monodo

[tender river]

chuunibyou

[jagged turtle]

start the production line:

[severe path]

Anyways, I hope you at least found my ramblings funny, if not thought provoking (or braincell destroying).

[jagged turtle]

They weren't funny, but they did destroy my braincells so you get that I guess

[tender river]

they were funny

[jagged turtle]

it did also provoke a thought in me as well

[tender river]

i have some ideas for better software but none of them involve compounding 1% performance improvements thankfully

[jagged turtle]

namely, "this is probably the mindset behind stupid-sounding decisions"

anyways I should get back to writing some scripts

[tender river]

work

[jagged turtle]

I mean, if you count "making stuff for neuropilot" as a job then yeah I have to go do w*rk now alongside tertiary study

[severe path]

I'll say this one last time... The two points I made are: Small things can signal large things, and, big tech companies do absolutely nothing of value.

[jagged turtle]

Discord is also a big tech company and you're using it right now so I don't think your point stands

[severe path]

I predict Discord will be defunct in the next 10 years.

Just because I just so happen to be using Discord today, doesn't mean that I value it so much, that I would continue to use it well into the next decade.

[jagged turtle]

Well considering Discord's model is unique right now and not many competitors have risen up to it (last I heard was guilded which went right into the bin)

they aren't going to be defunct unless a competitor seriously takes off now

now granted there is some easy way right now considering discord is being targeted with regulatory actions across the world right now so it's easier

but then that just makes them the next target

it's a cycle out here

[severe path]

I'm saying that what Discord does isn't particularly valuable.

The same thing can be accomplished by having 10 people group together, and talk to each other.

[jagged turtle]

that works until you deal with a massive fanbase (example: the swarm)

[severe path]

If you want a more central internet communications platform for the swarm, it would be better to use something like XMPP.

You don't have to deal with a possibly untrustworthy company in the future.

[tender river]

discord is a social network

much like github

xmpp is not

which makes it inconvenient for the vast majority of users

[final tinsel]

for anyone who is/was in First Robotics- the FTC discord owner got hacked and the server is full dead. it was established like 2017 and has years of history and resources available. It's gone.

[tender river]

just because you can use xmpp for the things you use discord for doesnt mean tis convenient

[severe path]

A little bit of inconvenience does give you a lot of power.

Now, one less company is able to disrupt your communications.

Isn't that nice? ;)

[tender river]

which is useless if you dont need it

i dont care about my neurocord posts being disrupted by discord inc

its just neurocord

its all public

[severe path]

I don't really care either. But we both will care when it becomes a problem.

[tender river]

i care about it which is why using discord is a conscious choice

i also have self hosted matrix and a bunch of other stuff

i still use discord because it is better at being a social network

[amber fractal]

There are things I'd consider moving out to alt platforms once I can be sure they can still function, but I make the choice of what to place on discord

Most of those things I'd just use something like messaging for

[jagged turtle]

Nothing says "a little inconvenient" like ddos protection, spam abuse, continuous server maintenance, attempting to instruct clueless users on how to connect, countering bots, paying for the hosting of it all, data safety against attackers, on top of moderation, content creation, events, and in the case of vedal, drinking while coding

I feel like I've only scratched the surface there

[amber fractal]

I hopped in here because backreading reminded me when I was debating someone about turning this channel into a fourm and explaining all of the reasons that was a bad idea and that feels like the same argument just in a diffrent form here.

[severe path]

Discord may seem convenient today, but what will it be tomorrow?

Will it be the same?

[tender river]

doesnt matter

[severe path]

makes sense

They are going to do the bait and switch, like all the other companies have done before.

Its just a matter of when.

[amber fractal]

We don't have a choice, that is the long and short of it. We can't convince everyone so it'll always be a fractional amount. The reason I don't main matrix is because I don't like the sub-section of people that would 100% be on switching. That is the same for every alt platform.

[tender river]

no it just literally doesnt matter if you care about something happening to discord you have invested too much of yourself into discord in the first place

[jagged turtle]

You could also make that argument about literally anything in the world. Cloudflare, GitHub, ChatGPT, Google, AWS are all convenient today, but what will it be tomorrow?

And yes, I'm naming closed-source companies here, but the same goes for open-source libraries you may depend on as well. <insert library you use here> may seem convenient today, but what will it be tomorrow?

Yes, someone can fork it. Then you are running effectively (yet) another person's code on your computer.

[jagged turtle]

I agree

[amber fractal]

seconded

[jagged turtle]

As long as something more convenient exists it is pretty high up in terms of priority

[severe path]

Yes...

That is literally what I'm describing.

This is the tactic they use.

[jagged turtle]

I think I read a blog post by cloudflare ceo which was made a while ago and they introduced, I think they called it "Matthew's Hierachy of Developer Needs" and convenience was one of them

[severe path]

They will continue to use this tactic, until you have absolutely no control, and you will die alone, with no one to help you.

[amber fractal]

In terms of tech, all you can do is at best watch out for yourself. It is a personal choice what others use, insert editor, lanuage, distro wars here

[jagged turtle]

even if you aren't a dev you will like convenience

[severe path]

But convenience is the trap.

That's how they get you.

They won't stop here.

[jagged turtle]

...ok? you are, at the end of the day, still relying on a protocol that is in agreement with other people. what happens if it deviates from what is best?

[tender river]

you must
go live
in a cave
access internet
with emacs
by mail only
like stallman

[amber fractal]

That's the argument being made yep

[hearty notch]

[severe path]

Are you all willing to go down this path?

Or will you deviate, and perhaps live better lives? That is the question I ask you.

[tender river]

good thing about using whats convenient is you're not committing to anything, using something inconvenient and hard to setup is the actual commitment

[severe path]

But it is worth it in the end. Every... Time...

[hearty notch]

I tattooed my discord account onto my ass is it over for me

[amber fractal]

There is only so much you can worry until you are just worrying because either you distrust life itself or want to just hope it fails to be validated

[tender river]

im even more convinced you're a chuuni now

[hearty notch]

yea he has chuuni melodrama

[severe path]

There is life outside of these big tech strategies. You equate what these companies give to you, with life.

That is what you are unable to see.

[jagged turtle]

Are you all willing to go down this path?

Uhm actually kinda, yeah. Otherwise I would've written my own programming language, operating system, game engine, dev tools and/or platform by now

[hearty notch]

classic case tbh

[severe path]

That isn't at all what I'm saying...

Its something much larger.

[amber fractal]

frick i forgot shift enter

[hearty notch]

sushi gryphon have you heard of this it's what we're calling u https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chūnibyō

[jagged turtle]

please explain what that much larger thing is, that isn't trying to be condescending to people and saying that "that is what you are unable to see" and trying to act all high and mighty

because as far as I can tell the only thing of value that I have read from you is that some things are just not worth worrying about

and even that is really reflective of how you wrote instead of what you wrote

[amber fractal]

That is what you are unable to see.

I think you have it reversed, for as many things as big tech does. There are certiantly other industries that have similar placements. I'm aware that they may or may not exist, but I can't spend all of my life fighting one battle instead of doing something useful with my time here.

[severe path]

I'm not being condescending. It just happens to come off that way, and that's fine.

If you want to life life, you may as well make it the most beautiful life you can possibly live.

I'll fight the big, "useless" battles, because it is worth itself in beauty.

Laugh at me all you want...

[jagged turtle]

isn't beauty a subjective thing

[severe path]

Yes. That's what makes it beautiful.

[amber fractal]

yes it is

[hearty notch]

i-im objectively beautiful...

christina aguilera wrote a song about it

[jagged turtle]

what

[hearty notch]

showing my age with references tbqh

[jagged turtle]

im so confused

[jagged turtle]

you know what? I'm not a fan of laughing at someone just because they have a different PoV than me.

But for just this one time: 🤣 🤣 🤣

[severe path]

I do think this battle is worth fighting.

It will at least be a fun adventure for me.

[jagged turtle]

for you

look, if you want to fight the battles you want to fight, sure, go ahead

[severe path]

And for anyone else who decides to fight it.

[hearty notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAZDZgvsmxY

[jagged turtle]

anyone else here that wants to fight?

[hearty notch]

SO GO ON.... IF ITLL MAKE YOU HAPPIER....

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

also if you want to make a point of something, overdramatizing it is probably the worst way about it, but it's not like that's uncommon across the world either so

[amber fractal]

I'm not going to laugh at you, instead I'm going to feel sorry that you feel like you need to reject everything and convenience out of fear that it will turn it's fangs on you. It must suck being able to trust nothing at all and spend all of the little time you have on this world rejecting how far we have come just on the the moral grounds of superiority. I'm sorry that you've not learned the life skill of learning proper task management and instead trying to carry the world on your back when there is no one besides your own ego powering such.

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

I'm surprised that hasn't reached essaying react levels yet

[severe path]

I'm saying there are things outside of what convenience offers. All I'm asking is that you stop being so nihilistic.

We have come far. I'm not rejecting life, just because a few companies are a little untrustworthy...

[amber fractal]

Maybe 2 sentiences off

[jagged turtle]

probably

[severe path]

And just because I don't trust these companies, doesn't mean I trust nothing at all.

[jagged turtle]

I'd argue they are doing the opposite of being nihilistic; they realise that they have so much better things to do in life than to do something pointless and will likely cause them to reject life in the end

[stone loom]

Battleground? I thought this was programming

[severe path]

Sorry... Maybe I should stop talking.

I don't mean to change this to #philosophy

[jagged turtle]

man I wish I could edit polls but ig I can't

then again that would open the door to more abuse so uhh

maybe best it's like that

[amber fractal]

Interesting word you got there, unfortunately the only thing I feel for you is pity; I don't want to see someone waste away going after an infinitely long goal and burn yourself out and lose all motivation to keep going because you are locked behind your ego.

[stone loom]

Dude 😭

[jagged turtle]

"You may not rest now, there are hostile monsters nearby"

[stone loom]

Why are they fighting

[jagged turtle]

I forgot what the mc quote was

[olive sable]

Purely from a profit making standpoint i agree. But besides that
You gotta balance how tolerant people are to your unfinished mess to maximise profit i guess

[severe path]

I wonder where you get the burn yourself out from ego extrapolation from?

I don't intend to do this.

[amber fractal]

bother the zombie is buried under the bed where he can't hit me just let me sleep

[hearty notch]

https://tenor.com/cQlDtJGIZM1.gif

[olive sable]

[severe path]

dont reply

I want to stop talking

[dusky jackal]

Chat certainly reflects it's streamer.. I don't understand a word you said. 🎥

[severe path]

before I get banned or something

[jagged turtle]

"That is what you are unable to see." - you like a couple messages ago

[jagged turtle]

you have the ability to Just Shut Up™ at any time and leave

Also, what makes you think you would be banned???

[amber fractal]

Any further and this would become the joke title, just be damn careful because you are only one invidual aganist the world. This is a warning to be smart with your time and not have a "rewrite the world" mindset, you will fail.

[jagged turtle]

And to be clear, I don't mean shut up in a derogatory way, just emphasized with ™ for maximum funni effect

[severe path]

Because I'm literally talking about philosophy in #programming

And I might be offending some people. I inferred that there is a change I might get banned.

[jagged turtle]

I know we are all autistic around here so I had to make that clear

[severe path]

Ok... I'll keep talking.
I'm obviously very entertaining, so I may as well

[severe path]

I'm not quite sure how that equates to burn out.

[jagged turtle]

I mean you're entertaining the braincell damaging device in my brain far more than I could ever imagine so I'm just going to tab out before I become dumber than my family friend's daughter's mum

[jagged turtle]

^ is a reply to this

[amber fractal]

That was my best approach to the viewpoint of trusting nothing that could be taken over

I'm stepping out of the debate as there is no debate to be had here, this is just a twitter argument with no chance of changing the other's viewpoint.

[severe path]

I do not think putting your trust in nothing is a good idea.

I don't think putting your trust in modern day conveniences is a good idea.

Most of them seem to be Trojan horses.

[olive sable]

Wait so what is happening? Convenience is bad???

[opaque sigil]

sth sth convenience is a double edged sword

[severe path]

Not all convenience is bad.

Just don't trust it blindly.

[amber fractal]

Any big tech can and will rugpull so you shouldn't trust them to stick around

[jagged turtle]

man I wish I could go and buy stuff from the supermarket instead of having to travel all the way up north to our farms just to be able to get fruit and veggies

[amber fractal]

my last points were just that you have to have some self control to not pick every battle

[dusky jackal]

You may pity me, look down upon me, perhaps even view me with contempt - yet you will never tarnish the memories that I have made, the burdens that I carried, the dreams that I have forged - because I am me and I am myself, and knowing that gives me joy.. glee that I may one day become me, for I am me. You will never take me from me, and that is because my identity is important... to me. That is what you fail to understand, you fail because you will never understand me, and because of that I envy you - your accomplishments, your being, your very existence. So thank you for giving me clarity, thank you for allowing me to see my faults, because after all of what I have been through and all of the journeys that I have made - I am only me.

[severe path]

That's a convenience that has been around since the beginning of civilization. I'm not talking about that.

[olive sable]

I van see the argument i guess. But there is a reason convience has inherent value.
Im not gonna mine my own silicon to make my own phone. Do they spy on me by making it for me? Yep, who cares? I have nothing to hide

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

Holy typos

[amber fractal]

Sam van see

[severe path]

How on earth do you extrapolate that from what I've said?

Its like making out a T-Rex to be a rhinoceros.

[jagged turtle]

damn I didn't know we had supermarkets since the beginning of civilizations

[severe path]

They weren't quite super markets, but they were markets alright.

[jagged turtle]

so supermarkets are modern conveniences then? I'm talking specifically about supermarkets, not just markets

[olive sable]

Also, what is this Hououin Kyouma levels of Shakespearian english? Its not that deep.

[jagged turtle]

markets are themselves a convenience but supermarkets are even more of a convenience

[jagged turtle]

I don't know where the Shakespearian comes from tbh

[severe path]

Well, supermarkets aern't that super compared with markets.

It isn't like all the sudden, shopping became twice as convenient when they came around.

[pliant dome]

There used to not be markets a long time ago they hadn't invented money or even bartering and basically in most such ancient societies people tended to live in small communities where all things were held in common

[olive sable]

Guys i think we lost the plot here. Why are we talking about medieval europe now?

[jagged turtle]

It isn't, but it's not like you need to go to a merchant, get what you need, pay them, go to another merchant, pay them, go to another merchant, pay them too, do that 10 times until you realise you forgot something and now have to go all the way back to the first merchant

[severe path]

Yeah. Before the middle ages. Before the Romans.

Markets have been around for a while.

[jagged turtle]

I would also mention banking but given what you said here I suspect you're more of a cryptocurrency person so I won't bother

[severe path]

Merchants were in one spot for that exact reason.

[olive sable]

Damn

[pliant dome]

There were markets in medieval Europe, to get to a time with no markets you have to go to prehistoric times

[jagged turtle]

and you still have to move everything you have around different merchants while you are shopping.

[olive sable]

Ye i know, i was in fact joking

[pliant dome]

They didn't have programming so it's very off topic for this channel

[jagged turtle]

anyways I should really go home now

[severe path]

We really should move this argument someplace else...

[olive sable]

Nah

[severe path]

Ok

[amber fractal]

NN seems correct but then you'd actually get muted

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

Next stop, GN (but you'd also get muted)

actually no you wouldn't

you'd just piss off literally everyone there

[amber fractal]

only if heir is chatting

[jagged turtle]

heir voluntarily gave up her (or their?) mod role

I can't remember which pronoun to use, sorry heir if you are reading

[amber fractal]

is fluid so it changes

[jagged turtle]

damn

I guess I'm a sometimes-correct then

ok actually going home now bye

[olive sable]

???

[severe path]

Anyways, for some reason I actually like yapping about this stuff.

Thanks for the conversation

[amber fractal]

Seems like it, good to know

[amber fractal]

It's good to see other opinions, even if they are wildly different from your own.

[severe path]

Yes indeed

[olive sable]

It took 20 min to fond, but apparently heir stepped down due to health reasons

Which means we wont be able to make a council in #programming anymore

Bwaa bwaa bwaa

[true hemlock]

heir was and has been the best

[olive sable]

The only other mods thzt go into programming are hbd shiro and vanor

Occasionally cloud

[dusty jungle]

[olive sable]

[tender river]

[patent shard]

[glad path]

what the fuck is this

lmfao

why is it in the application support folder for minecraft

im sorry but what

why is it just

• a poem
• a list of random male names
• a list of random female names
• a loong list of random english words
• a list of random generic easily guessed insecure weak passwords that ive never used
• a list of random surnames

what

does anyone know what this means

also i might be stupid because I cant reset the cache for some app to make it give me the free trial again 😭

[tender river]

probably for checking password strength

by detecting common words and known bad passwords

[glad path]

but why is it in a random cache folder of the minecraft app

[tender river]

[glad path]

probably the answer

[tender river]

maybe its downloaded off the internet when needed

[glad path]

maybe

[hearty notch]

guys i love neuro

chayleaf im ur biggest fan now because pijul is rly cool and now im using it all over the place

darcs i guess

is the root idea

[tender river]

stay tuned for more cool ideas once a decade

[hearty notch]

it literally made my epoch rotation free because i can delay hmac token generation to query time after removing the snapshot based system

[amber fractal]

[nocturne olive]

Wa is this silliness?

[amber fractal]

Do not scroll up too much

[nocturne olive]

Wa

I don't get it

[rigid snow]

hdhdhsjsjsdjjss

[opaque sigil]

Same

[true hemlock]

this comes next week

yes another one

noticed its 100-000000514-20

means... its a QS (Qualified Sample)

higher stepping than ES stepping 2

basically retail engineering sample, except its also a cherry picked silicon

gonna be fun overclocking this

[obsidian mantle]

do you work at amd

[opaque sigil]

another 7950X?

[true hemlock]

yeah

supposedly the one i got last time is apparently a really early stepping that only works on engi sample boards. so pretty early silicon

the dealer that sold me that decided that they want to send me another one to make up for it

and apparently this time its a qualified sample

so basically retail with cherry picked silicon

the one rn

apparently stepping 1 or 0

[opaque sigil]

[true hemlock]

this is how you get repeat customers

[trim valve]

is 3 levels of subdomain too many

[tender river]

too few

[trim valve]

I feel like service.group.int.domain.com would annoy people if it appeared in a browser URL bar

[nocturne olive]

Gotta add a.b.c.d.e.f... to the start

[trim valve]

I should make everything look like ipv6 rdns

[nocturne olive]

Sil

[trim valve]

b.a.9.8.7.6.5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.8.b.d.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa

to lookup 2001:db8::567:89ab

[nocturne olive]

Sillllllyyyyyy

Should totally do that

[trim valve]

actually maybe I could just use rewriting

[dry charm]

[opaque sigil]

just switch to 25.11

damn, guess the old cli is officially dead now

[jagged turtle]

damn

[trim valve]

400: internal server error

[warm zealot]

time to ignore this chat for another 7 months.....

oh wait no i have to send a message in january

until then.....

[opaque axle]

RAM prices are absolutely nuts right now <-- (100% the culprit)
I bought this 64GB kit October 1st, for 2400kr. It's now over 3x the price

[nocturne olive]

OpenAI moment

[maiden geyser]

imagine the drop once a silly thing happens

actual giveaway on the spawn

[true hemlock]

just finishes benchmarking chatGPT in terms of matching pc parts.
result is.... horrible. 3.4/10 is already generous enough of a score i would personally give

[silent cloak]

Corsair Vengeance my beloved

[tender river]

clangd please be normal

[rigid snow]

[opaque sigil]

did you accidentally use clangd instead of clang-tools

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

there's no clangd package huh, i could've sworn there was one not too long ago

[tender river]

worst part is it worked before

erm ok concerning

[opaque sigil]

i remember fighting with clangd for days until i just said fuck it let's use llvm as stdenv and then it stopped complaining (it shouldn't matter since it'll still use libstdc++)

okay yeah that's bad

maybe some embedded clangd taking priority all of a sudden?

[tender river]

me found issue maybe

added clang-tools to home packages

that broke it probably

no

[open copper]

I’m not dead you silly duck

[true hemlock]

oh no

she haunts me

[opaque axle]

[olive sable]

Hi heir

[open copper]

Hi

[rigid snow]

that not duck

[olive sable]

Also goodmorning

I overslept again

I need to fix my sleepchedule

[opaque axle]

True. Goose innit. 🪿

[olive sable]

🪿

[patent shard]

I installed an extension that converts the YT shorts layout to the normal video layout and it's so much better

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/want-cat-want-it-rage-gif-24209074

[left solstice]

Enchancer for youtube also has a feature that does that, plus some other quite useful ones

[ivory plinth]

[tender river]

me think clang issue or nix issue

will probably work with compile_commands but it should also work out of the box normally

does not in my case with llvmPackages_latest.llvm-tools

will try llvmPackages_20

oo

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/463367

[opaque sigil]

interesting

i guess the clangd i've been working with this month must be too old

ohhhhh

this is why clangd randomly broke the other day when i updated the flake

i completely forgot about that already

[warm river]

i fucking love nixos

[opaque sigil]

name checks out

[warm river]

totally

also guys

should i use duckdns for my homelab?

i'm annoyed of manually changing ip in my config

[tender river]

no static ip

[maiden geyser]

"95% of the internet"

[young plover]

I just leased a couple domains from cloudflare. $100 for 10 years or something. Makes it easy to try stuff like proxying and email.

[tender river]

fixed in nvim not in helix

[tender river]

literally never had a non static ip in my life

but 95% of the internet is mobile so makes sense

[young plover]

So far haven't found a good enough reason to use a static IP.

[rigid snow]

cronned bash script that fetches current public ip and updates one A record through cloudflare api

[tender river]

ideally see if your router supports ddns

that would make it update on new lease

[rigid snow]

this is more fun

[young plover]

Would need that with duckdns as well. Might as well just buy a domain if you have any money.

[rigid snow]

oh shit i just can put that sript ON THE ROUTER

[trim valve]

make your service check every ip address until it finds your server

[rigid snow]

and make it trigger on lease

thank you chay

[young plover]

I mean yeah, I do that on my opnsense box.

[maiden geyser]

were all those isps so small 1 ip was enough to fit all users?

[tender river]

ip allocation and static vs dynamic is not really tied to each other

[warm river]

it has tp-link ddns but i dont really trust it

[tender river]

even if ip is dynamic most isps will allocate a single ipv4 per customer unless they are like really ip starved (see: mobile isps)

[young plover]

One Netgear router I had could use noip. That was a pain to keep renewed.

[young plover]

CGNAT

[rough bloom]

ye this works
don't need dedicated ddns service

[rigid snow]

if need multiple domains cname to that one record

[rough bloom]

I have a dynamic IP but I don't like ddns
route everything though VPS instead

[rigid snow]

psychotic

[rough bloom]

(CF tunnels would also work but boring + vendor lock-in)

[warm river]

i dont have money for a uhh vps

fuck

uh

also idk if routing wireguard via vps is good idea

[rough bloom]

ye it's fine

[warm river]

because i only need wireguard tbh

whole ass vps is overkill

[rough bloom]

if no money then just use CF tunnels probably

unless you dislike CF

then ddns

[warm river]

i dont trust cloudflare with my nextcloud

i use cloudflared for public services

like git

[rough bloom]

for internal services

I currently use Tailscale for that but I want to get rid of it

DDNS + WireGuard might be the way to go then, yeah

[patent shard]

so, apparently, if you save a text file with no-break space, you can open if you have "show file name extensions" checked... but can't if you don't have it checked...?
huh

[nocturne olive]

Sounds like a Windows moment

[obsidian mantle]

using space in filenames
using no-break space in filenames

[silent cloak]

real legends just use - or _

[nocturne olive]

Me when TypeLikeThis

[trim valve]

i like tailscale, but i do find myself wishing I was just using raw wireguard sometimes

[tender river]

[trim valve]

I had some shenanegans where I wanted to act as a gateway for forwarding traffic or something

[tender river]

me never use tailscale is it annoying

[trim valve]

or more accurately in the other direction

its very good for the price of free

[tender river]

plain wireguard free too

[trim valve]

plain wireguard doesn't have relay servers if you don't have a public address

[tender river]

ye useful

[trim valve]

I do wish there was some level of midground

like not relaying would be nice but I get it's not always possible

I still wish I could go "never relay this"

[tender river]

networking

never want to touch it in my life again

[trim valve]

my packets go to London and back 😔

[rough bloom]

am switching to raw WireGuard + OSPF

traditional network

mesh overlay

[trim valve]

tbf tailscale is sometimes pretty good at finding routes to other nodes

[rough bloom]

yeah, I think I'll keep it as a fallback because of that

it'll try really hard to work no matter what happens
as long as it can reach the internet, even just intermittently, you can probably get a connection

[trim valve]

I've also had it find routes over link local connections

iirc

unless I just got lucky with local dns

I don't remember it was a while ago

[rough bloom]

surely that still needs the coordinator though

[trim valve]

hm

good question

[hearty notch]

thwarted ...

[trim valve]

what's the go-to ocr these days that's relatively lightweight?

[tender river]

tesseract

[trim valve]

calling openai is lightweight right

[young plover]

why ?
ocrmypdf uses it, and that always worked well on textbooks for me

[tender river]

old shame no newer alternatives exist

maybe as random github repos

[trim valve]

i am kinda tempted to try out one of the newer ocr thingys that are like llms

just worried they're gonna abuse my gpu

[tender river]

they are

[trim valve]

like

realisitically im only gonna be reading 3 digits

@ grok what numbers

[tender river]

the numbers are 3, 5, 7

[trim valve]

i sure hope not

[tender river]

feel free to ask any other questions

[trim valve]

numbers are 572943

[young plover]

If you have 10000+ USD to burn I can probably hook you up with an industrial OCR solution.

[trim valve]

good idea

how else would I make sure I have webscale number reading

[tender river]

if you have 100000+ USD to burn i can hook you up with a better one

but i take a 100% fee on top hope that works

ye me know certain leaf who can optically recognize your documents

[trim valve]

chayleaf ocr

[tender river]

anonymous third party ocr

[hearty notch]

[trim valve]

i wonder how well #general-network ocr would work

[tender river]

nee send to arg thread

[trim valve]

just send a quote and see how long it takes to get a text representation

[tender river]

they will optically recognize white noise

[trim valve]

i should go back to filtered

[hearty notch]

[glad path]

what the fu-

im not a giraffe

i never brought up giraffes

huh

did i set custom instructions a while ago

[tender river]

google disagree

[hearty notch]

lmfao

[trim valve]

gaming giraffe

[hearty notch]

[tender river]

why is there actual research into this

the study highlighted the significance of considering user-specific needs in computer systems' development

ye make sense

regular keyboard hard to use

for giraffe

[obsidian mantle]

what keyboard to they need then

extra tall buttons or smth

[tender river]

refer google ai

need ergonomic keyboard

adjust for

user specific needs

[minor crag]

I can buy a rtx 5060 8GB or Radeon Pro Duo 32GB for basically the same price :3

[obsidian mantle]

how useful is amd ram

[minor crag]

Idk

I find it funny a professional GPU from 2016 is the same price as a "high end" GPU from 2025 but has like 4x more vram

[nocturne olive]

You mean low-end? That thing's still worse than a 3080

[minor crag]

Wha

The 5060 is worse than a 3080??

Is that why it is like £300

[nocturne olive]

Yes why wouldn't it be?

[minor crag]

That feels like a scam

[nocturne olive]

The 4060Ti is worse than a 3070

[nocturne olive]

That is precisely what that is

[rigid snow]

[minor crag]

I hate gpu shopping

[nocturne olive]

Just do the research (or ping ) and you'll be fine

[minor crag]

I knew the 5060 was a bag of rocks but I didn't exspect it to be that bad

[nocturne olive]

xx60 on 40 and 50 is really bad

[minor crag]

I think I'll just get something AMD since anything nvidia is high price, low performance, and has no ram

[nocturne olive]

If you're just gaming AMD is the right choice, especially on Linux

[minor crag]

I'm not using it for gaming since my laptop has a 2060

[nocturne olive]

If you do ML you will most likely need CUDA though

[minor crag]

Either way I gotta write the magical gpu code myself so it doesn't matter

[fast pagoda]

god dammit bingus, it's only been 2 seconds since the last time cloudflare destroyed half the internet, you have to wait a little longer man

[minor crag]

Owo RX 9070 XT looks kinda hot

[fast pagoda]

9070xt is p good in that segment, i'd take it over a 5070ti which it's usually priced against

[minor crag]

I need to ask my mother for a job real quick

Give me like 5 minutes

[fast pagoda]

i still think a 7900xtx if you can get it for 9070xt price is best deal

unless you really care about fsr frame gen poop

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile me, a CUDA user

[spark vortex]

Hallooo

[minor crag]

OK

My mother has given me job

[spark vortex]

I've been coding for 12 hours

someone please save me

[minor crag]

🍪

[fast pagoda]

i wish i were this productive rn

[spark vortex]

when i close my eyes all i see is lines of code

[minor crag]

Is it good code?

[fast pagoda]

i installed rocm on my mini only to find out what i installed was meant for like radeon instinct parts and that is certainly not what it has

[spark vortex]

I mean, it works

and its clean

[fast pagoda]

surely zluda will be good at some point right

ssurely

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[spark vortex]

(for the most part)

[fast pagoda]

nvidia is targeting linux for real suddenly i think i saw

[nocturne olive]

Sil

[fast pagoda]

oh yeah

nvidia started contributing to NOVA

aka the rust nvidia driver

on linux

https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-Nova-Next-Gen-Boot42

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[olive sable]

Not ceiling mounted yet, but already pretty good image

[obsidian mantle]

it feels like it can be too bright

[olive sable]

I mean, its HDR

[fast pagoda]

projectors look blown out on camera

that's normal

[patent shard]

so it's not that grey irl?

[olive sable]

Not really

[clear sedge]

guys my one test passes

i'm so good at this

[amber fractal]

def not the blue tinted it shows in photo

[olive sable]

The "black bars" do have some light leakage cuz this netflix movie is not 16:9

You can change the white balance and everything, im just too colourblind to do so

[amber fractal]

[clear sedge]

i have my black boost set to max on my main monitor

[rigid snow]

why does my pc crackle when i minimize a game

[clear sedge]

skill issue

[rigid snow]

this is consistent and always happened

[olive sable]

Coil whine?

[rigid snow]

not coil whine

too loud

i think it's something cooling down

and shrinking

[olive sable]

Gpu

[rigid snow]

ye maybe

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

Looks less blown out, but irl the room brightness is more like the previous picture

This is with focus on the screen

[rigid snow]

get a screen pls

[olive sable]

We will

[obsidian mantle]

tile texture

[olive sable]

This is temporary

[rigid snow]

brick flavored movies

[olive sable]

This will get ceiling mounted too, just dont have a mount rn

I keep editing messages instead of reacting

How do i turn off swipe to edit??

[fast pagoda]

how are your speakers plugged in

[rigid snow]

it's not coming from the speakers

but

xlr to trs cables

[fast pagoda]

o_O it's coming from the PC itself?

[olive sable]

My previous gpu, 3060ti, had major coilwhine

[gritty dust]

this looks pretty cool, nicee

[nocturne olive]

Sil

My 4070Ti coil whines if it's let free without a framerate cap

Such as, and this is silly: the Portal 2 loading screens

[olive sable]

And the soundcard was dogshit so when it went to sleep to save power, and when it turned back on, i had a bass boom

[nocturne olive]

For some reason those have uncapped framerate

[fast pagoda]

What is swipe to edit, swiping toward left on a message replies for me

[olive sable]

You have directions?

If i swipe right i just go to the channel screen

[fast pagoda]

The what

[olive sable]

Oh. If you swipe too far left it goes to edit

[olive sable]

Channel screen
#programming
#artist-alley
....

[fast pagoda]

Oh

I mean I can swipe right on a message to get edit

[olive sable]

What

[fast pagoda]

But how do you do that trying to react

Swipe left*

From the right

[olive sable]

On my own message

Wait

[obsidian mantle]

there was some setting but i think it changes it to something different but still wrong

[amber fractal]

Meanwhile I overrode swipe with seeing channel members

[olive sable]

Oh

[fast pagoda]

Takes real effort to get edit from swiping to work for me lol

[obsidian mantle]

on phone?

[amber fractal]

I think it is switching depending on when you do it

[sage crag]

p

[olive sable]

Why is your discord not fullscreen?

[fast pagoda]

i cropped it

[amber fractal]

Ye, never liked swipe to reply

[olive sable]

Oh

[fast pagoda]

so not show channel list

[amber fractal]

mhm

[amber fractal]

Swipe moment

[fast pagoda]

There's a feature in developer options called launchpad

If you enable the global version it will disable swipe to reply

But also I tried it and it didn't disable shit even after a restart and just didn't work at all

[obsidian mantle]

wait... i just checked..

[fast pagoda]

Looks like this (I turned on pull tab to show it)

[obsidian mantle]

the setting is there

but its not getting applied

nor its getting saved

[fast pagoda]

Lmfao

discord moment

i turned on this pink and purple keyboard to see how garish it was, chuckled at it being obnoxious, and then have left it on for weeks

my keyboard is an ally

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Almost as bad as me when I was cycling through keyboards for the lols

[sage crag]

;

[rigid snow]

audio interface

oh you mean the cracklinhg

ye

[fast pagoda]

w-what part

didnt mean to reply to audio interface directly

[olive sable]

What is the @ of the semicolon guy again?

[fast pagoda]

although speaking of audio interfaces schiit has the magni heretic on sale for $59 if anyone like a good deal on a headphone amplifier

i found this out upon killing my magni 3 by accident so it was nice for me at least

they are clearing out stock for whatever the new magni is gonna be soon ig

[nocturne olive]

Thoughts on this tuning?

[fast pagoda]

if my cat rubs his ass on my computer a certain way which he does often if he wants me to pet him, it causes my speakers to crackle and one of my monitors to temporarily turn off lmao

[fast pagoda]

the higher bits are shakier than the previous

[amber fractal]

Production environment standards right here

[fast pagoda]

at least the one on youtube i watched 10000 times for the site

[sage crag]

t

[nocturne olive]

It's supposed to have more dynamic tuning

Makes current NS slightly unstable maybe

[fast pagoda]

i THINK it literally travels along the case outside and jumps to the closest port on the rear of the pc which is that hdmi port because there's no shorts or anything in the case that i can find

[amber fractal]

the cat is important to keep uptime

[nocturne olive]

This version of NS tuning is designed around whatever I was doing before on 2.0 which was based on UTAU and now with 3.0 featuring Vocaloid and SynthV style stuff on top

[fast pagoda]

im just glad it doesnt seem to do anything worse than spook the HDMI connection for a second

[nocturne olive]

It might be a lot more bendy than what you're used to with the Neuros, but it's much more like what you'd find in the average Vocaloid song

[fast pagoda]

tp me it sounds very similar except the high notes are unstable

it does sound more like some shit i'd hear out of an old gumi song or something

[nocturne olive]

I'm trying to figure out what magic Vocaloid producers do and I think I'm kinda getting there

[fast pagoda]

you have to move to and live in japan

[nocturne olive]

Nah Finland better

[fast pagoda]

not for becoming one with crypton media

[nocturne olive]

Eh NeuroSynthProject is its own entity

Either way I'm trying to experiment with a lot more dynamic tuning

[fast pagoda]

i found out the other day crusher-P is american that was crazy

the neuro voices have gotten much better with lower notes and stuff recently, evil singing ladylike was crazy yesterday

[rigid snow]

also it's not just crackling

it's like
clank-clank-click

rapidly

probably gpu cooler cooling downa nd shrinking

that also happens on 0%->100% load

not just the opposite

[olive sable]

its probably jsut the cooler ye

[rare bramble]

the illusion of choice in Teams

[faint sandal]

@ vani

[amber fractal]

yeah that is a vani moment

[olive sable]

vani

[glad path]

what is going on there

is it like

deselecting itself

[amber fractal]

reselecting but same diffrence

[clear sedge]

microsoftism

[amber fractal]

I need this word more in my life

[hearty notch]

optimistic loading and broken wiring

probably

[stray dragon]

hi konii

[faint sandal]

[fast pagoda]

i think this is it

i had an old gtx 770 that did that

[olive sable]

[hearty notch]

til about the raspberry pi 400

[tender river]

is this what they call test driven development

[clear sedge]

[mighty thorn]

@nocturne olive NeuroSynth

[haughty basin]

I just realized people that built 256-1024GB RAM homelabs can easily sell all that RAM for a house downpayment 🤣
64GB ram (2x32gb kit) costs $1400 here in Poland.
20x of that would be $28k
and you can get a decent house under $250k

[olive sable]

depends on the ddr version

i think a lot of the large ram amounts are in ddr4

[haughty basin]

DDR5 has 2x64GB kits (and 4x64), does DDR4 has it?

[olive sable]

ye, just a lot cheaper

its ram, you can mix and match them however you want

[haughty basin]

yeah actually 2x32gb DDR4 you can still get for decent price of just $400 https://www.x-kom.pl/p/667492-pamiec-ram-ddr4-kingston-fury-64gb-2x32gb-3200mhz-cl16-beast-black.html

[olive sable]

nah thats expensive for ddr4 still imo

[haughty basin]

it's VAT-deducible, if you're programmer on your own business entity (b2b) deduct 23%
I do this all the time 🤣

[olive sable]

sure, but i had 2x32gb 3200 before for 100 bucks

euro

and the thing you showed is more then 3x as expenive

[haughty basin]

yeah this checks out

still 3x over just 6 months is a crazy investment

and I guess it would only go higher until 2026 Q3/Q4?

[olive sable]

i thought only ddr5 had the price issue

holy shit

i own this ram

i got it together with my mobo and cpu for 300 euro

the ram alone is now worth 500

do i sell?

[haughty basin]

hodl 🤣

put it into auction around feb-march 2026 on ebay, see how it goes

[olive sable]

they seem to be going from 250-500 on ebay

the problem with selling is that i need new ram to replace it

some dude in italy is asking 750 apparently

at that point they are costing more than the gpus

i only paid 1.2K fpr my whole pc

[patent shard]

who knows, could be high for 3+ years
I hope it doesn't go higher by 2027 when I get Zen 6.. I was wanting 128gb, but I'm not paying more than the cpu for that KEKW

might have to settle with 64gb

[olive sable]

just by directly from the factory

[haughty basin]

Just compress sand

[patent shard]

I wonder how much X3D will matter with Zen 6

obviously it's still significantly faster

[olive sable]

its apparently not ai companies buying all the ram, its manufacturers switching focus away from ddr4/5 to HBM ram instead

[patent shard]

isn't that them buying all the ram?

[olive sable]

kinda

its framed differently

[patent shard]

essentially the same thing

[olive sable]

i thought they were buying all the consumer ram

they're just lowering supply by buying all the production for a different type

[faint sandal]

is my ram suddenly the most expensive part of the system

[olive sable]

probably

[patent shard]

I saw a 5060 ti 16gb for $370 a couple of days ago
wonder how long that'll last

hasn't seemed to affect gpu prices... yet...

[olive sable]

especially for 2ndhand parts like my pc is made of. 3090s are 500 bucks, the ram is getting to more than that

[patent shard]

it's mainly only affected dram and hard drives
although, some decent hard drive deals still pop up here and there
and to some extent, ssds... but ssds aren't too bad

[faint sandal]

I think all storage devices are affected

[patent shard]

to an extent, yeah
not nearly as much as the dang dram

[amber fractal]

@fast pagoda's find not mine

[olive sable]

thats cl30

azaka has cl36, which i can find for 950

typo lmao, imagine if it was 650

[amber fractal]

300 priced typo

[olive sable]

the 9 is right above the 6

[amber fractal]

I was looking for another image but may as well

[patent shard]

oh boy! 90 days of FREE Amazon Music with purchase!?!??!!?

[olive sable]

ecc ram is now almost as expensive as consumer lmao

[fast pagoda]

my kits was discontinued but it was $205 when i got it, the new one has slightly better timings (mine had CL30-40-40-96) but it's a little less affordable. second one i got it was $310 in october and i was mad at the price increase for the 2nd set

crazy stuff

[amber fractal]

I like how everyone is looking into 64gb when we'll have to double due to this being a 128gb rig

[olive sable]

no i was looking at 128gb

you just found very expensive 64gb and i didn't notice lmao

[fast pagoda]

i just posted my own price at the size i bought soz lol

[faint sandal]

[olive sable]

i like how i noticed the cache latency but not the 64gb

[amber fractal]

I wonder why

[olive sable]

wdym?

what are you implying?

[amber fractal]

Just memeing on you going for max speed for all hardware

[olive sable]

oh

ye

[young plover]

Holy f-ing shit

[olive sable]

Rainbow gold

[amber fractal]

[young plover]

The memory in my current desktop

[fast pagoda]

yeah given that i have apparently $1500 of ram in my pc

i should sell it

lule

it appreciated like i bought gold bars

[amber fractal]

I want to check something, are we more expensive than gold by weight yet?

[olive sable]

i wonder how much this is worth now. its in my old pc which i sold to a friend

[amber fractal]

insane considering it has good timings surely

[fast pagoda]

this i got for $345 and was mad i had waited that long

[fast pagoda]

ddr4 is a bit cheaper still

[olive sable]

i am completely unable to find it

2x32 corsair vengeance is nowhere to be found on amazon be

the 4x16 is 460 euro tho

[amber fractal]

Ram is 1.1 ounces sooooo

[olive sable]

ye we're nearing gold prices

[amber fractal]

I'm checking silver

nvm $53

not clickbait worthy

[fast pagoda]

64gb in 2x32 with cl16 this is as close as i could get with ddr4

for that ram @olive sable

[olive sable]

damn

ye it fuckin triples

[amber fractal]

every day I am glad I have a stable amount of systems

[olive sable]

"never available again" pretty much sums it up

[fast pagoda]

kekw

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

i think they jsut discontinued it tbf

to make more room for HBM ram

[amber fractal]

I hope for it to succeed in laptops, but holy is it destroying the entire market

[patent shard]

not my purchase but someone posted this in another Discord
I forgot it got that low, haha

[olive sable]

HBM ram is cool in some ways, but the fact you cant replace it without the mobo kinda sucks ass

[fast pagoda]

holy shit the price of the 32gb of ddr4 i put in my laptop back in 2023

[patent shard]

I mean it's like garbage tier ddr5
but that's still crazy

[fast pagoda]

57.99 in 2023

higher frequency

[tender river]

im pretty sure you can buy some used laptops and sell their ram and end up profiting

[olive sable]

the ram i put in my laptops 2nd slot is

Crucial
RAM Memory Crucial CT8G4SFRA32A 8 GB DDR4 DDR4 8 GB DDR4-SDRAM CL22
€ 27,38

to make for a total of 2x8 16GB

that very same ram soddim is now 55.99 euro

[patent shard]

I saw 3200mhz CL16 (I think.. or CL18) for like $85 for 64gb not long ago

[fast pagoda]

oops lule screenshot was too uncensored

[patent shard]

I was wondering, lo

[olive sable]

what exaclty did i miss lmao?

the location?

[fast pagoda]

my username is connected to my name anyways

accidentally left my name in there

[olive sable]

but we already know your name tho

u mean last name?

[fast pagoda]

i know you know but i still could get in le trubble for self doxxing anyways i think

dont want no smoke

[olive sable]

[faint sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/get-doxxed-idiot-earth-gif-25842102

[patent shard]

doesn't that not wrap all the way around

[fast pagoda]

i had a picture i took where they thought my car license plate was visible in the reflection of a window so they deleted it

it wasnt my car lol

[patent shard]

oh, nvm, it probably does

[fast pagoda]

it was out of caution but that's now my standard

[patent shard]

they don't know who's license plate it is, tbf
even if they know it isn't yours

[fast pagoda]

knowing some random license plate doesnt do much but tell you vaguely what 600 square miles i was most likely in when i took the photo if i was even the photographer

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[mighty thorn]

Thoughts on NeuroSynth?

[nocturne olive]

It be peak

[fast pagoda]

im surprised nvme drives havent gone up more

[patent shard]

yeah, it's really not that much

and gpus haven't gone up at all

sure that will change

[mighty thorn]

Idrk why people don’t just fallback to ddr4

[olive sable]

above their pre-inflated price

[patent shard]

it's affecting ddr4, too

[olive sable]

its also fucked

my ram is now 500 bucks new

[patent shard]

and you need ddr5 for AM5
I guess 12th gen Intel isn't bad, though

[fast pagoda]

i bought this in 2023 for the same exact amount lol

[olive sable]

i got the x570 mobo, 595ox, and 4x16gb ram for 300 euro all together

now the ram alone is worth more than double that

[mighty thorn]

Hey can I borrow your economy?

[olive sable]

ye

[fast pagoda]

anyone can it's open seasons

[olive sable]

jsut like, you still have import tax

[mighty thorn]

No thanks

[olive sable]

but i do in fact still buy and sell 3090s for 500 bucks for people if they want

[patent shard]

bundles can still be super cheap
like the Newegg ones are insanely cheap
but they only last a few minutes and they subsidize a LOT of the cost
Microcenter is goated, though, and they last longer

[mighty thorn]

The nearest microcenter is 75 miles from me

In another state

[fast pagoda]

there''s one here

i love it

it's where i got my 9900x3d/mobo/the 2nd 310 dollerz ram kit

[olive sable]

the nearest microcenter to me is in north america while im not

[mighty thorn]

That could change in ~7 months

Omg

We could both have our first microcenter visit at the same time

[fast pagoda]

if it were 10 years ago y'all couldve gone to fry's

rip fry's

[mighty thorn]

No clue what that is

Perks of being 19

No nostalgia for good times

[fast pagoda]

goated electronics retailer

[olive sable]

idk what fry, main character of futurama, has to do with this. but sure

[mighty thorn]

There weren’t any

[fast pagoda]

they were all themed to their locations

[amber fractal]

I forget if our nearby location is still open

[fast pagoda]

probably not i think they all got got with the final wave

in covid

ours was near nasa so it was space themed

they had a space shuttle inside

[olive sable]

holy shit

thats fucking cool

my burbank

[fast pagoda]

lol om i am the other space themed frys

not that one

themed like space station and had a staion inside

idk why i remembered it as a space shuttle

it's been like 5 years only

im going senile

[olive sable]

nah