programming

[olive sable]

dvd means digital versatile disc, not video disc apparently

the hd in hd dvd does not mean high definition, but high density apparently

i never questioned it so i have believed in falsehoods for my entire life

[tender river]

wrong

june 13th (14th) 2026

world end

not heat death just end

need chayleaf license

no retail version sorry limited availability

[amber fractal]

I'll bite, how much is the license

Well for non retail

[tender river]

available for select partners

they can request a quote via email

[amber fractal]

[tender river]

[olive sable]

life-time or yearly subscription?

[tender river]

very flexible actually trial, commercial license, educational license, terms can be negotiated

[olive sable]

are there price tiers?

i just need the "we have copilot at home" pack, no need for nixos config manager

[tender river]

uneligible

[olive sable]

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

[olive sable]

understandable, have a nice day

[tender river]

yeye please wait for the expansion of our options with some

less amenable terms

sentient leaves are rare to come by you know

[olive sable]

you're using a lot of big words today, i might consider downloadig the google translate app

[tender river]

wait let met ranslate

meow meow mew mrrrp

[olive sable]

amenable is "open to suggestion" so less amenable means more concrete terms?

[olive sable]

i wonder if thee made from sentient leaves would taste different

thee? tea?

word

[tender river]

it does and its great

me drink every day

konii call me cannibal im not

[olive sable]

that depends entirely on if its different tea leaves

[tender river]

[olive sable]

wait, does eating yourself count as cannibalism?

[tender river]

maybe

Cannibalism is the act of consuming another individual of the same species as food.
so no

[olive sable]

The act is self-consumption or autocannibalism

so while its not cannibalism, it is autocannibalism

now that we have that tangent out of the way, have you been drinking tea made from other tea leaves or yourself?

thats actually one wild sentence, ill stop here actually

there is no need for this to continue

[tender river]

it doesnt count because

not food

drink

[olive sable]

sure

[tender river]

ye sam agree

[olive sable]

why do you even care about my opinion?

[tender river]

ye me know right answer myself

public opinion more convincing

[olive sable]

1 disocrd user -> public

[tender river]

rr i hate programming computer exploed

expl.ode

explode

[olive sable]

my blender exploded so im taking a break rn

[tender river]

sam do you have any explosives

[olive sable]

ram usage when i press a 0 too much in subdevision

[tender river]

i ened it for a

science experiment

[olive sable]

so uhm.
legally we dont

[tender river]

[olive sable]

dont read too much into that

[tender river]

chayleave

[olive sable]

bye

[old totem]

so uhh help

this just a piece of the code

this what it looks like but

why arent the boxes on the grid clickable

[obsidian mantle]

Maybe they are clickable but there is no animation/action

[old totem]

start is clickable tho

and its the same object

[obsidian mantle]

Show how start is made

[old totem]

i realized i could juyst type it out

im sorry

self.start_button = QPushButton("START", self)

self.box1 = QPushButton(self.box1_slot, self) 
self.box2 = QPushButton(self.box2_slot, self) 
self.box3 = QPushButton(self.box3_slot, self)    
self.box4 = QPushButton(self.box4_slot, self)
self.box5 = QPushButton(self.box5_slot, self)
self.box6 = QPushButton(self.box6_slot, self) 
self.box7 = QPushButton(self.box7_slot, self) 
self.box8 = QPushButton(self.box8_slot, self)
self.box9 = QPushButton(self.box9_slot, self)

[obsidian mantle]

Maybe something blocks it

[old totem]

boxes = [self.box1, self.box2, self.box3, self.box4, self.box5, self.box6, self.box7, self.box8, self.box9]
self.box_list = boxes
            
self.info_label = QLabel(self.info, self)

for box in boxes:
  box.setStyleSheet("background-color: #fffefa")

self.grid = QGridLayout()
i = 0
for x in range(0, 3):
  for y in range(0, 3):
     self.grid.addWidget(boxes[i], x, y)
         i += 1

self.grid_box.setLayout(self.grid)

i put them all in a grid

idk if that makes it unclickable

[obsidian mantle]

Or setStyleSheet kills ita button functionality

[old totem]

it doent

cuz start button has a stylesheet

[obsidian mantle]

Try comparing objects for buttons

See what is different

[old totem]

how

[obsidian mantle]

Do you run it from vscode

[old totem]

yes

[obsidian mantle]

Right click add to watch (start button and any grid button)
Set breakpoint somewhere in the end.
Compare them in watchlist

Im not sure i got the names right

[old totem]

uhh

[obsidian mantle]

Maybe dont need the breakpoint

I have a feeling that the problem is somewhere else in the code

[old totem]

i got something

the buttons still dont work before they get added to the grid

does putting them in a list ruin it

[obsidian mantle]

Do you process events somewhere

[old totem]

not an issue either

i made another button object ouside a list

it doesnt work still

[old totem]

yeah

def initUI(self):
            # for box in self.box_list:
            #     box.setAlignment(Qt.AlignCenter)
            for box in self.box_list:
                box.setFont(QFont("Segoe UI", 70))
            for box in self.box_list:
                box.setText("O")
            for box in self.box_list:
                box.setStyleSheet("background-color: #fffefa")
            self.start_button.setGeometry(0, 500, 250, 100)
            self.start_button.setStyleSheet("""
                                                margin-left: 8px;
                                                margin-bottom: 8px;
                                                font-size: 45px;
                                                font-family: Segoe UI;
                                            """)
            self.info_label.setGeometry(250, 500, 250, 100)
            self.info_label.setStyleSheet("""
                                            margin-right: 10px;
                                            margin-bottom: 10px;
                                            margin-left: 10px;
                                            background-color: #fffefa;
                                            font-size: 20px;
                                            text-align: center;
                                          """)
            self.info_label.setText("Current Turn: YOU")
            self.info_label.setAlignment(Qt.AlignCenter)

the indentation is being stupid

but i think u can still see it

[amber fractal]

tabs

[old totem]

I GOT IT

so like

i put the start button

in the grid as well

and it stopped working

but how do i get buttons to work in a grid

[obsidian mantle]

Maybe addwidget is not adding button actually

[old totem]

maybe

[obsidian mantle]

Hmm everywhere it says addwidget is fine

[old totem]

the button not clickable tho fsr

found something

when i hover above

it doesnt turn blue

but below the grid

it turns blue

[obsidian mantle]

Grid absorbs the events and doest pass it deeper to buttons maybe

Idk how qt works at all

[old totem]

I FOUND THE PROBLEM

def addImage(self, img_path="", size="500x500",          pos="center", set_to_original_size=True):
  self.img_map = QLabel(self)
  self.img_map.setGeometry(0, 0, 500, 500)
  match pos:
    case "center":
      posx = int((self.width() - self.img_map.width()) // 2)
      posy = int((self.height() - self.img_map.height()) // 2)
    case default:
      posx = (self.width() - self.img_map.width()) // 2
      posy = (self.height() - self.img_map.height()) // 2
  imgwidth = int(size[0:size.find("x")])
  imgheight = int(size[size.find("x")+1:])
  self.img_map.setPixmap(QPixmap(img_path))
  self.img_map.setGeometry(0, 0, imgwidth , imgheight)                                                   self.img_map.setScaledContents(set_to_original_size)
  

so i have this stupid addimage method

and it was super deep at the end of the class

[olive sable]

[old totem]

are you real

i'll do it if you write me a fibonacci sequence for loop in python

also cant use lists

also no appends

damn

guess bro cant write a sequence

[tender river]

me decide

lts bad

have trick

[ivory plinth]

downgraded

[tender river]

no support

no warranty of fitness for a particular purpose

[olive sable]

oh, we went to version 4

[tender river]

@safe path do you use mode

[safe path]

im using doom now, one of the first things i did was to disable evil

[tender river]

i configured barely working eglot on stock emacs but autocompletion is scary

like what is this

[olive sable]

i had some fun with the scammer from before, asked for the phrase of my solana wallet, and i gave it cuz it was literally empty

nothing of value was lost, i was entertained tho

[safe path]

i moved away from a from-scratch config years ago because i needed to actually do work

[tender river]

yee i wanted to learn how emacs works but may just give up and go with an emacs distro instead

fwiw i dont dislike stock emacs autocompletion its just that theres none in eglot for some reason

[gritty dust]

lol insaneee

[tender river]

i probably need one of these scary plugins for it to work properly

corfu maybe

[rigid snow]

sam cryptobro confirmed

[olive sable]

tbh idk what solana even is

i just know i have none

[rigid snow]

wait how much do i have

[gritty dust]

I know i got zero money in every account

[rigid snow]

rich, millionaire

[olive sable]

where do you see that?

[tender river]

sam didnt you know

[rigid snow]

in my wallet

[olive sable]

i dont know a lot

[tender river]

blockchain will revolutionize the web

web 3.0

decentralized

smart contract

blockchain

blockchain

[olive sable]

will web 3.0 have vulkan?

[rigid snow]

✅

[amber fractal]

no, you'll still have to compile into some jank web graphics

[olive sable]

then i dont care.

fuck web 3.0

[gritty dust]

I dont even know what that is 👍

[olive sable]

me neither

[tender river]

web 3.0 such a funny field because its decentralized tech being used for nothing practical other than money laundering

and its impressive tech

[amber fractal]

chayleaf is EOL

[rigid snow]

wait chay eol

[tender river]

me downgraded not like lts

[rigid snow]

try nightly

[tender river]

cant no access

[tender river]

like, its not crud webapps its actual impressive engineering its just that whats being engineered is clouds of vapor for extracting investor money

[gritty dust]

Sam, for recalibration of zeros on a robotic arm for when belt slippage and crap happens, could I just rotate each axis until it reaches a limit switch and use that as my zeros?

[rigid snow]

(it is crud webapps with wallet auth slapped on 99% of the time)

[tender river]

true!

[olive sable]

yes. thats how 3d printers do it at least

[gritty dust]

then i just need to add limit switches on axis 6 and 1 lol

[olive sable]

also maybe tighten your belts if its an issue

[gritty dust]

HEY when it moves fast it just... kinda happens sometimes

[olive sable]

bad belts

[gritty dust]

so meannn Im literally going broke building this lol, I need a job

and new belts

[tender river]

web3 devs inventing new ways to depend on centralized services

[olive sable]

lmao

[gritty dust]

I got 67.42 dollars in my bank rn

[olive sable]

damn

cant relate

[gritty dust]

rich ppl smh

[tender river]

oh i once found a crypto webapp using a discord webhook on the frontend for some event reporting

you can just delete a discord webhook using the discord api if you have its url

[olive sable]

im using these belts to sync my z-axis dual axis motors. they work well enough

[gritty dust]

what're u making with those?

[olive sable]

im using these belts to sync my z-axis dual axis motors.

[rigid snow]

i share some of that, i always liked nfts for example and nfts for game skins especially, sucks everyone was so butthurt about any attempt to bring that into any actual serious and non “crypto game”
to be clear nfts as they were (attaching a link to media) i always fucking hated

[gritty dust]

for 3d printer or?

[olive sable]

Ye

[gritty dust]

HOLY They only cost like 6$, (I paid like 13$ for my crappy belts)

[olive sable]

idk if these are even that good, but they're upto spec

[rigid snow]

yes i possess a non fungible token that proves i am the sole (1) (unique) owner of {“url”: “ipfs.tld/hdhd7udjsbs3irhxkdo.jpg”} and i paid $200k (it lost 99% of its value in 1 day)

[tender river]

i dont think nfts are practical for that because at the end if its an ingame item you're dependent on game provider to exist so theres 0 reason in decoupling it from the game provider, if its not an ingame item theres even less reasons for it to exist because its a digital proof of ownership and digital proofs of ownership arent actually very useful

[olive sable]

Just this

[gritty dust]

aaaaaa

[rigid snow]

right but i see it as literally the most practical they could ever be. what could you prove your ownership of that’s non fungible not dependent on anything and is worth it to prove

[tender river]

mhm fair i guess, decentralized is too much effort when a centralized service suffices though

[olive sable]

the real question is, where is the center?

and in which direction are the decenterring?

[rigid snow]

earths core

[olive sable]

ooh

so they're going to space?

[tender river]

something something ipfs

[gritty dust]

how to centre a div

[olive sable]

trick question, you cant

nothing is perfectly centered

[rigid snow]

display flex justify content center align items center

[olive sable]

Thats not a sentence, thats a collection of words

[rigid snow]

div is an html element

therefore one would assume that centering a div involves css

in conclusion that message is probably css

[olive sable]

What

[old totem]

chat is this efficient

i cant use sqrt()

[opaque sigil]

If you want to do it iteratively try newton's method

[young plover]

If this is a homework assignment then I assume they'd want you to do something a little more intelligent like binary search?

[young plover]

Or implement your own sqrt if that's allowed yeah

[old totem]

its a personal assignment

[opaque sigil]

There's probably some bit magic one can do but I cba to look that up

[opal ice]

Trying the make a sand bag tossing game for homework with arduino
will this script work?

[old totem]

trying to do it without any prior knowledge

[old totem]

W c++ i love u bro

[young plover]

Eh not cleanly for the general case afaik.
2^floor(floor(log_2(x))/2) is like 3 instructions for a really crappy square root approximation, and you can narrow it down from there.
The O(1) 32-bit integer sqrt I came up with starts with that.
https://math.stackexchange.com/a/4674078

[opaque sigil]

Funky

[tender river]

ye id do binary search

[obsidian mantle]

Is it where you go average every iteration

[opaque sigil]

You cut the search space in half every iteration

[tender river]

you probably already know but what is this https://github.com/vadimdemedes/ink

[rigid snow]

oh i don’t just know i’m using it

[tender river]

it doesnt look bad honestly

just

cursed

[rigid snow]

it is

[opaque sigil]

Isn't this what all the LLM clients use or was that another library

Okay yeah it is

[old totem]

does anyone willingly do this

idk im crazy

but doing this lets me learn to read my own code

this covers the entire class

[opaque sigil]

At least log the exception

[old totem]

thats easy mode

i like torturing myself

[opaque sigil]

Fair enough

[safe path]

just wrap that python script around a bash wrapper that runs the script in a loop if the interpreter crashes

[tender river]

erlang (python version)

[safe path]

highly available buggy code

[tender river]

scalable too

(can add & after python call and it runs in multiple processes now)

[nocturne olive]

It's a crypto currency that has relatively low fees and can be used to donate to NSP

[nocturne olive]

"We couldn't figure out why it was crashing so we forced it not to"

[old totem]

oh damn

i hsoulda accepted his freq then!

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[fast pagoda]

actually why lmao

get yaself a 16gb optane for less than a subway footlong ig

idk how these are still even around

and what are the chances you actually get some optane related anything and not just a generic ngff crapper drive

[inner pike]

I feel like the funnier part is how its 0.04$ less for black friday

[fast pagoda]

lmfao

mega steal

[covert bane]

What is chrome doing?

[fast pagoda]

normal chrome things

in fact that looks downright lean for chrome

[covert bane]

THAT IS LEAN?!

[nocturne olive]

Being Chrome on Windows

[covert bane]

Normally I only see chrome spike up to 10 or 20

not 30+

chrome smh has 0 frames per second

[tender river]

no this is lean https://lean-lang.org/

[young plover]

Check chrome's task manager

[uncut panther]

its fine

[covert bane]

chrome has a task manager-?

[covert bane]

that actually looks really nice. Might use it

[noble karma]

It does?

[covert bane]

that's what I said

[opaque sigil]

all browsers do

[young plover]

shift+esc

[covert bane]

I never knew

[fast pagoda]

i opened vivaldi and have 2 tabs open

chrome based

lol

[uncut panther]

[covert bane]

I just realized my website was loading over 17,000+ elements dynamically-

[uncut panther]

it's just hungry

[young plover]

Well that's either a problem with the sites you're using, or the way it's tracking memory
Vivaldi is using like 3 GB across 25 processes for me

[covert bane]

that's why it was very slow

[fast pagoda]

it's the tabs for sure

one of them is regularly extremely heavy

but also chrome just kinda eats ram if it's available in general

worse on wandows tho

[covert bane]

wandows-

[fast pagoda]

i used to regularly be chewing through 20-30 gb of my ram

with just chrome

[uncut panther]

chrome are fighting with OC for free memory

[fast pagoda]

i do that now sometimes but that's like 100+ tabs

[covert bane]

plus the elements are static and they reload-

[fast pagoda]

that's fine

you want to make sure they're all in their spot

veeery carefuly

[covert bane]

nono, they reload with new values.

and they might've crambled all into one tiny spot

it's like minecraft's entity system

[vast jewel]

I wonder if browsers just release memory once you start running out of memory

There is no way that half of the memory a browser takes is not just cached components that can be dropped whenever

[young plover]

Yes, they receive memory pressure events and drop cache.

[fast pagoda]

they do

they do not hold on to it if your system actually needs it

they just want to be smooth so they hold it for performance

and also because hongry

[vast jewel]

That is why I dislike looking at memory usage when total ram usage is below 95%

Most unallocated ram is useless ram

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

why is making pretty plots so annoying

[dry charm]

I don't think so, Os just kills the most usage

[tender river]

me notice js has good visualization libs

like https://p5js.org/

i like the js visualization tools more than whatever python has

[opaque sigil]

wth is that website

[fast pagoda]

you can make chrome pause tabs that arent in use for less ram usage

[fast pagoda]

sanest js user

i like the abstract patterns that i assume are things that they have made with this library

honestly js tui stuff is better than python by a lot

[opaque sigil]

at this point you're just writing shaders in js

[fast pagoda]

python kinda fucking sucks at anything display related in userspace

at least in terms of making it look even remotely good

[opaque sigil]

i'm a simple man, i only use python to create graphs

and even then i let claude do most of the work

[olive sable]

I didnt know ATM's secretly used facial recognition verification. Thats kinda creepy.
It kept declining untill i took my hoodie off

[tender river]

python is just a more (sometimes less) convenient bash for me

[jagged turtle]

how is it more convenient than bash

[tender river]

have you ever wrote >100 line bash scripts

[fast pagoda]

i used to do like most of everything i could in powershell if that counts

[opaque sigil]

the moment arrays get involved in bash i'm out

[jagged turtle]

true

[tender river]

realized i forgot how bash arrays work

getting rusty

[fast pagoda]

does anyone need to remember that

[tender river]

last time i touched bash for anything serious was creating gradle integration for nix

[opaque sigil]

i should probably factor out some of the bash scripts i have in my nix config into separate files

[tender river]

there are many large bash codebases

[opaque sigil]

there's a 400 line one just chilling in a string, though shellcheck my beloved

[tender river]

bash arrays are very useful

[fast pagoda]

i am being facetious like i said i like using powershell unecessarily which is somewhere in the realm of even shittier i think

[tender river]

for anything where spaces may be involved

[tender river]

powershell (java bash)

[rough bloom]

I recently learned that bash has maps
associative arrays

[fast pagoda]

bash.NET

[tender river]

when will bash get a builtin scheme interpreter

[fast pagoda]

rust is just a fancy bash wrapper

[opaque sigil]

[young plover]

time to whip out the

#!/bin/env python

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

#!/usr/bin/env -S uv run --script

[fast pagoda]

mmmm uv

[opaque sigil]

uv my beloved

[fast pagoda]

refuse to voluntarily run python3 or py anything since i installed that the first time

[olive sable]

This message is sponsored by the sun?

[fast pagoda]

mmmm gamma rays

[olive sable]

Uhm

[opaque sigil]

cancer

[young plover]

powershell is better than posix-like shells in some ways with its proper objects, it's just too different from everything else

[fast pagoda]

average sun emission; gamma rays

[olive sable]

Astrology

[young plover]

which makes it not worth learning unless you're a Windows sysadmin

[fast pagoda]

i learned powershell before basically anything else

or was at least partially familiar with it

because i was always like i must use ze cool powershell

since forever

[opaque sigil]

one of these days i'll give nushell a legitimate try, surely

(i won't, i'll go back to zsh again in a day)

[tender river]

what about oil

[young plover]

I'm using fish currently
so far don't see much of a benefit, just extra workarounds

I just like my fancy prompt

[opaque sigil]

whoever decided to name their shell oil really must hate SEO

[fast pagoda]

i swap fish and zsh

for no reason

at random

[tender river]

i use fish purely for its incredible autocompletion

[fast pagoda]

pranking myself

i also randomize my zsh and fish prompt themes so i never kjnow what the fuck im actually in

[tender river]

my zsh and fish themes are almost equivalent

[fast pagoda]

mine too

except there's 6039423 of them

[opaque sigil]

mine are identical except one says zsh and the other fish

[rigid snow]

[fast pagoda]

zish

fsh

[opaque sigil]

i'd use fish but eh, the non posix compliance comes up often enough to be a bit annoying

(not blaming them)

[tender river]

it doesnt come up for me because i dont copy random commands off the internet

and i dont use fish as a scripting language

[young plover]

yocto generates environment files for each machine I'm building a distro for
try to use in CLion
blows up
need to create a separate fish file which uses bass to source the original environment file

[fast pagoda]

i know what shell im in by the error message i get when globs are different

[young plover]

I'm sure there's some technical reason why var=value isn't supported but I hate it

[fast pagoda]

and/or things fail horribly some other way

opinionated

https://tenor.com/view/meninblack-men-in-black-erase-gif-13992462

Notice: Be aware that removing the lock file is not a solution and may break yo-

ok mr rocm doc writer, no need to boast

install rocm, proceed to pytorch

"yeah so it hard, we recommend using a docker container for pytorch. so redownload rocm again for that container, it's going on disk 34 times"

they explicitely said if running on consumer to not use the installation i used cuz that's for like instinct cards

but see there was no debian option on the the consumer side

this is basically an instinct mi350x

[rough bloom]

ROCm on iGPU

[fast pagoda]

im about to unlock a world of possibilities never seen on this earth

[jagged turtle]

[fast pagoda]

gave it the maximum 16 gigs of vram and then i was ooming with large models because they didnt fit in the 78~~ remaining gigs and i was all confused

nothing was running on the gpu at all

cuz no rocm

🤡

not only no rocm but no any other runtime

[opaque sigil]

not even vulkan?

[fast pagoda]

not according to vllm

i dont think it actually looked for vulkan

i should have vulkan, i was using this thing for VR

with my quest

[rough bloom]

vLLM only does CUDA and ROCm I think

[opaque sigil]

oh they don't even support vulkan

[fast pagoda]

that'll do it

[opaque sigil]

that's kinda shit

[rough bloom]

didn't even really do ROCm until a while ago

[fast pagoda]

the greatest init

not even CPU LMAO

[opaque sigil]

i guess if you start off with cuda only support you basically need a whole rewrite to support other backends

[fast pagoda]

i would like to see vulkan vllm speedz

vulkan is weirdly fast for some stuff inference

[opaque sigil]

it should be slower than rocm i'd imagine

but much more widely supported

[fast pagoda]

there was at least one situation recently where vulkan was beating rocm like 20%

i think ti was just one platform tho

[nocturne olive]

It depends on the software

[fast pagoda]

https://www.phoronix.com/review/rocm-71-llama-cpp-vulkan/2

[opaque sigil]

i guess they're both still somewhat scuffed

[rough bloom]

faster during decoding

there shouldn't be such a large difference though

ROCm impl likely buggy/bad

[fast pagoda]

that's with latest 7.1 rocm so it's best they got atm on a ai 9700 pro

[opaque sigil]

now i'm curious how they check cpu support

[fast pagoda]

idunno cuz even though it said it had no runtime like

it ran

it just didnt know what it was running on

lmao

jesus take the wheel inference

[opaque sigil]

if i had to guess it fell over because igpu name parsing or something stupid like that

[jagged turtle]

npm being on fire has pulled me back to reality

[fast pagoda]

i could see that

[opaque sigil]

nvm

your vllm is not built with cpu support it seems

[fast pagoda]

that seems stupid

[opaque sigil]

there are so many vector extensions it kind of makes sense i guess

not like most people will use the cpu

so make it opt-in

[fast pagoda]

im probably about to be given waht i just read cuz imma have to reinstall debian to get this shit's fingaz out of my system

guess ill roll back if it no worko so i can do cry about ubuntu repos installing the civvy version

[opaque sigil]

why are you doing this on debian anyway

[fast pagoda]

because my minipc has debian installed on it

you're right, i should install artix on there and see what happens

vllm falls over if it can't load triton properly

which it obviously cannot do

on an amd platform

nice

[opaque sigil]

me when i just hardcode a check for libcuda.so.1 after having checked for cuda support beforehand

[fast pagoda]

they basically are doing their best to

[opaque sigil]

how do you look at that font without your eyes hurting after 5 minutes

[fast pagoda]

GPU-XX

[fast pagoda]

with enthusiasm

i only have one terminal set up with it so i can just use wezterm or some shit if it's annoying

hasnt been yet tho

[opaque sigil]

oh wait, is this one of those weird hybrid chips

strix halo or whatever it was called

[fast pagoda]

it's basically half of the 8060s in the strix halo

little less

that thing is pretty wild t

but it's also like $1500 for a system with one

[opaque sigil]

cause iirc the strix halo required its own software to work with things, at least when it launched
idk if it's gotten better

[fast pagoda]

and this was $280

any of the AI max blah blahs are just like the generation after this thing

[rigid snow]

[fast pagoda]

standard way to get amdsmi working here

i see no issues

couldn't use uv because it didnt liek sudo and i apparently forgor what i put su password behind

heheh

[opaque sigil]

the moment you have to run sudo pip you've lost

[fast pagoda]

DEBUG 11-26 03:19:32 [platforms/__init__.py:126] ROCm platform is not available because: No module named 'amdsmi'

(vllm) [] ~/vllm <master> ✗ cd /usr/bin && namei amd-smi
f: amd-smi
l amd-smi -> /etc/alternatives/amd-smi
d /
d etc
d alternatives
l amd-smi -> /opt/rocm-7.1.0/bin/amd-smi
d /
d opt
d rocm-7.1.0
d bin
l amd-smi -> ../libexec/amdsmi_cli/amdsmi_cli.py
d ..
d libexec
d amdsmi_cli
- amdsmi_cli.py
(vllm) [] /usr/bin

bruhhhh

i just want this to break even more for no reason

[fast pagoda]

i dont think ive ever run sudo pip without also having to run it with --break-system-packages

for whatever cursed shit i was doing

[opaque sigil]

no amd gpu

wait

is it supposed to detect my ryzen cpu

[nocturne olive]

Wow AMD GPUs seem like a pain

[opaque sigil]

yeah i can't believe it doesn't find the non-existent amd gpu

[stark needle]

CHAT

2 hour unskippable ad 😭

[fast pagoda]

youtube without premium or adblock

they found the one guy that will watch an ad

[nocturne olive]

#general-network ?

[fast pagoda]

so you get 2 hours

i cant believe it still no find the instinct accelerator it's looking for that totally exists on this system

after all that

this is lisa su's fault

[opaque sigil]

i love how fragile this all is

[fast pagoda]

it is actually a house of cards

part of why im rewriting echo's entire client

but then i am now remembering

it's just like this

that's (part of) why his client feels like it's on eggshells

the other 98% are my own skill issues

but still

welp, ollama also does not use rocm with this installed which isnt surprising but

^gpu

welp

fucked up that system

what should i install next instead of rolling back

perhaps haiku

heard their ml stack is robust

[rough bloom]

honestly if you want it to just work™ then use the Docker container

[fast pagoda]

i know

guess

[opaque sigil]

That's admitting defeat

[fast pagoda]

what i am waiting on download

this poor thing on a 1Gb ethernet port is wearing ankle weights

[rough bloom]

this one won't work I think
but mabe

[fast pagoda]

well the system is 2.5 but it's into a 1gig port rn

so sad

i have no ambition this time im just tryna get gemma 2 2b to run

[rough bloom]

need https://hub.docker.com/r/rocm/vllm

[fast pagoda]

yeah you know that was a thought

i know they have a special one

but fuck em

imma run sam altman's version

and it's gonna break

and im gonna be mad

F

[rough bloom]

it's not going to break
it's just not going to be built with ROCm support

[fast pagoda]

that qualifies as broke 2 me

[rough bloom]

didn't set up the GPU runtime thing

[fast pagoda]

i am used to nvidia just breaking ™

not this kinda "oh right you exist" tier support

i expected it of course it's just funny to be sitting here

desperately pulling containers and shit to get one crumb of inference

[rough bloom]

looks like AMD doesn't have that yet?
vLLM docs say to use this command
similar should work for the pre-built ROCm container

docker run -it \
   --network=host \
   --group-add=video \
   --ipc=host \
   --cap-add=SYS_PTRACE \
   --security-opt seccomp=unconfined \
   --device /dev/kfd \
   --device /dev/dri \
   -v <path/to/model>:/app/model \
   vllm-rocm \
   bash

[opaque sigil]

Oh, there's a release-25.11 branch in nixpkgs now

Stable release soooon

[rough bloom]

yeye
branch-off happened two days ago

stable already, in theory

[fast pagoda]

well if the world's most epic "docker run rocm/vllm" with nothing else SOMEHOW doesnt work

ill try your bespoke command over there

[rough bloom]

it looks more complicated than it is
it just disables some of the isolation Docker provides by default (most notably it exposes the GPU device files to the container)

[fast pagoda]

i haet docker

[rough bloom]

everything makes sense except SYS_PTRACE
dunno why they need that

[fast pagoda]

i am also being intentionally obtuse

but i appreciate

i see i have quite a stack rolling rn LMAO

forgor to ever stop any of them

also p sure this account aint in the docker group cuz this do be a sudo every run type thing rn which isn't ideal

just throw the whole thing away

[opaque sigil]

nvm not switching yet, looks like both zed and librewolf have build failures in hydra and i cba to build them from source

[fast pagoda]

i like build from soure it makes my updates take forever

i paid for the magic sand im gonna use the magic sand

hmmm

[opaque sigil]

tbf librewolf/firefox doesn't even take that long

[fast pagoda]

maybe ill put nix on the mini

[opaque sigil]

i think it was like half an hour or so

[fast pagoda]

surely this time it won't fucking explode when i try to load the live env

should put mabox back on it

that distro is severely cursed

[opaque sigil]

all roads lead to nixos

there is something fun about seeing it go brr

[rough bloom]

live dependency graph?

[fast pagoda]

I need to know what the hell to put on my super dogshit laptop with the monitor hanging off

Comic sans terminal

[opaque sigil]

nix-output-monitor via nh yeah

[fast pagoda]

Open sans prob

[opaque sigil]

nom my beloved

[nocturne olive]

Sounds tasty

[rough bloom]

I somehow never heard of this
will probably install, looks useful

[fast pagoda]

You're actually not allowed to mention my cursed terminal font when yours is that (which I admittedly could see myself using for the lulz)

[rigid snow]

comic code is a good font

[opaque sigil]

it's nice being able to see the actual commands that run too instead of them just being forced into a single line

[rigid snow]

unironically

[opaque sigil]

comic code best monospace font

[fast pagoda]

I have it installed cuz I like comic sans

I need to get something like

Samsung phone user 2013

Tier font

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue what my terminal font is

[fast pagoda]

oh i guess what i have is ComicShanns lol

[opaque sigil]

that one is basically comic sans forced into monospace via software

[nocturne olive]

Whatever Mint came with I guess

[fast pagoda]

i like the ones with the ultra generic name

monospace

k thanks

[fast pagoda]

i figure it's some sort of ubuntu flavour or somethin

font

[nocturne olive]

Well I wouldn't know

Either way I don't really do much system customization

[ivory plinth]

ubuntu mono?
theres that

[fast pagoda]

might be roboto

[rigid snow]

it's not ubuntu mono

[ivory plinth]

ic

[fast pagoda]

ubuntu is more stylized

there's about 90000 mono fonts that have that look with slight variations really

would not be surprised to see roboto/noto/monaco/ubuntu floating around a mint install

as the default anyways they clog up every damn distro

why are there so many Notos man

why is Noto Mono Mongolian Throat Singer Script install by default

[tender river]

i think mint might use this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monospace_(typeface)

[fast pagoda]

cant be this tho

[tender river]

horrible font name

[fast pagoda]

yeah monospace is the most creative

[tender river]

looks like noto to me

[fast pagoda]

me too

[rigid snow]

Monospace [Monospace] (typeface)

[fast pagoda]

Monospace (not monospaced ver)

maybe it's finally time to ascend and use BigBlueTermPlus

[rigid snow]

oh my god i hate ai generated thumbnails so much

they always look so stupid like no matter the model

[fast pagoda]

what does this one look like lmao

[rigid snow]

they are different enough you can recognize the model

[fast pagoda]

ye

[rigid snow]

but they are all shit

[fast pagoda]

it's like birdwatching

one of my coworkers has a new profile picture at work which is just like a headshot

but

it's

DEFINITELY not him

it's supposed to look like him i think

but he tossed that shit into like zuckerberg AI

for a 3 chain look

[cosmic sphinx]

the most recognizable one is always the GPT image gen

[fast pagoda]

gpt image is so fugly

[rigid snow]

helo nanabanana make profesional shot of me for corporet profikle pictire

[cosmic sphinx]

with the piss filter

[nocturne olive]

Did you figure out what that font is?

[fast pagoda]

we thought noto of some variety

i think

chay said that, i agree, dunno bout anyone else

[rigid snow]

and gemini ones make visually loud clickbait slop

[tender river]

wait no its not noto because of the 0

[fast pagoda]

FiraCode?

[nocturne olive]

It's probably one of these

[fast pagoda]

oh

lmfao

"probably one of these" posts the answer

[nocturne olive]

Sil

I looked at font settings

[fast pagoda]

perfect for writing in brainfuck

[nocturne olive]

Is that wingdings?

[fast pagoda]

not wingdings but a symbol font yea

looks like a symbol font for mainly star shapes

[nocturne olive]

Sil

[fast pagoda]

this reminds me of super mario 64 somehow

[nocturne olive]

I wonder if anyone's made a usable SM64 font

[fast pagoda]

im sure by the zillions

at this point

https://fontmeme.com/fonts/mario-64-font/

https://www.fontspace.com/typeface-mario-64-font-f60208

https://fontstruct.com/fontstructions/show/1794183/super-mario-64-4-1-3-1-1

https://www.spriters-resource.com/nintendo_64/supermario64/asset/52991/

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[rigid snow]

embed wall

[fast pagoda]

too lazy to <>

even thouhg i could do it all at once

nevar

[rigid snow]

i just realized the same thing happens in some communities with actual thumbnail artists

that work for half the youtubers from that community

omg nano banana real thumbnail artist!??!? agi confirtmed

[fast pagoda]

i am sure they do care about it and recognize them but like is there a reason to care about who is the thumbnail layermaster

i know thumbnails are a whole thing

designed to manipulate people into watching videos or whatever

i didnt know autoEQ was a 10gb ordeal

stores all results in .wav in here

[opaque sigil]

couple measurements in that repo

[nocturne olive]

Wa i ta

[fast pagoda]

database of measurements of the frequency response of many (many) consumer headphones

which are in either like equalizer values

[nocturne olive]

Wuh

[fast pagoda]

or in the form of a .wav that is applied as a convolution

so you ggrab the right file for your headphones

and use your equalizer

and it SHOULD bring the thing to as close to "ideal" as possible

it doesnt tho

[opaque sigil]

there's only so much you can do in software

[fast pagoda]

i have a bunch of chi-fi sitting here and even they were in here

[opaque sigil]

i eq'd my hd 6xx towards the he-1 and it helped a lot more than i expected

much nicer than targeting the normal targets

[rigid snow]

i got monitor speakers 3 years ago and now i'm allergic to any tuning that isn't flat

i'm like

eww why is it so bassy

idk why or how that happened

[fast pagoda]

these were all in there

i was kinda impressed that anyone bothered

for like the CCZ DC 03

[opaque sigil]

if it exists oratory1990 has probably measured it

[rigid snow]

one reason not to use this i would imagine it fucks the phase up

[fast pagoda]

the convolvers are better than the graphical

[rigid snow]

even the convolvers

[fast pagoda]

he measured my fiio

[fast pagoda]

note that i said better not good

i dont like it after using it a while

i have disabled it now which is why 10g was even seen cuz i was tryna go yeet it lmao

it's a bandaid over pretty much nothing

i used to care a bit about flat response but now im out here like idk bro turn on da crystallizer and maybe a lil bass boost, really hit clipping directly next to my eardrum please

not really

but i have tried it

these fiio fh5 i found in a box in my closet when i am moving stuff

at some point i thought the left one was dying so i just

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

randomly decided to try them again just this afternoon

perfectly fine

and they were like $200 at one point so i guess i win instead of lose horribly

dont make these ones anymore tho

also just cant believe how much better iems have gotten in the last couple years

at least in the "let's not spend $500+ per pair" segment

oh btw if anyone likes $10/TB seagate is selling these in 22/24/26/28 which are around $230, $240, ???, $280 rn (havent seen 26 actual price in stock)

and if shucked are apparently exos x24 and shit

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[fast pagoda]

ill know in a few hours when the 28tb one shows up

at my door hehe

[nocturne olive]

Can I has so I can back up my entire system?

[fast pagoda]

i need it to put more autoEQs ill never use on

[nocturne olive]

Wuh

[fast pagoda]

oh i got the 24tb one not 28

[nocturne olive]

How am I ever supposed to back up all this

That's not all actually

Now it's all

[fast pagoda]

see yeah i was trying to escape a similar hell

since i also have 4tb in the mini out in the other room and another 4 in the other pc that is going to also hold this 24 and my 8tb soon

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

Guess I just won't have backups outside the system

[fast pagoda]

pay google 30000 billion dollars a year for 200tb

[nocturne olive]

Not worth it

[fast pagoda]

this was $240 but then $10 off for vouchers + 5% cash back (12.50) from my CC, and another 5% cash back from only having to click a quickk spyware link so another $12.50 off

so more like $220

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

and im about to rip it out of its cage and block power pin 3 and be a happy camper

and the reviews had people getting ones with the same model number as this

so seems worth to me

that's why i got 24 tho cuz i couldnt figure out what the 28 tb was inside

[nocturne olive]

Sil

I could definitely use one of those things

Seems fun

[fast pagoda]

if they do this every year im just gonna have 5 of them in 5 years

[nocturne olive]

Can I have?

[fast pagoda]

if i have 5 ill be open to a colo

lol

[nocturne olive]

Sil

[fast pagoda]

but also im kinda like google chrome so if there's available space i will fill it

[nocturne olive]

That's actually crazy

Hopefully I can find money from somewhere some time sooner rather than later because I'm gonna need a lot more storage soon enough at this rate

[fast pagoda]

ask quakc for a loan

in the form of 100 old xeons

[nocturne olive]

I don't think that's possible

[fast pagoda]

oh damn flux put out flux 2 finally

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

[gritty dust]

Morning sam

I'ma head off to class now, cya at lunch

[surreal flint]

So gemini in the browser has something called widgets but not in the gemini app...

[fast pagoda]

looks like a mini version of canvas

[sick owl]

I don't understand why people make a big deal about blooming on Mini-LED displays

Surely your eyes create the equivalent effect anyway when sitting in the dark with a high contrast scene on an oled

[rigid snow]

go to a doctor maybe

mine don't

[velvet vale]

Is that in ai.studio

Or just the gem app

[sick owl]

Okay specsavers says its normal

Apparently different people just see it to different degrees

R*ddit also says that its a normal quirk of vision

Maybe you should see a doctor

[young plover]

A tiny amount
I have an AW3425DW QD-OLED and a Q27G3XMN mini-LED next to each-other and the bloom is very noticeable on the Q27G3XMN. But to be fair it only has 336 dimming zones.

[olive sable]

Hi

Phone 3%

Bye

[mint shuttle]

Some developer console
https://imgur.com/a/mMUQQMV

[olive sable]

I have bought a projector

[hearty notch]

reminds me of being in a classroom

[olive sable]

Fair enough

[rigid snow]

specs?

[olive sable]

Thanks epson

Nice website

Just epson eh-tw7000

Youll find it

Basicly just 4k with pixel shift, and 3000 lumen

Hdcp 2.2

All the stuff i need

[rigid snow]

nice

twitch now has a “gift 1000 subs” button

lmao

[maiden geyser]

so over for filian

[amber fractal]

mobile moment

[novel atlas]

just got my first esp32

[olive sable]

There was a mouse at the train station

[amber fractal]

I saw a few birbs flying in

[rigid snow]

🐛

[hard raptor]

meow

[alpine zenith]

either

[hard raptor]

i installed the windows again

now downloading all my VSTs and CLAPs and what not

[tender river]

window <- where me throw pc

[olive sable]

Train delayed an hour

[hard raptor]

how muh curves lookin?

[olive sable]

The curve looks like it broke its back

[hard raptor]

yeah it wouldn't allow me to flatten it any further

[nocturne olive]

Well it has like twice as many points as mine

[glad path]

youtube caption

lol

oh it changed

very good job whoever wrote these

[glad path]

su does that to me as well

[nocturne olive]

What is an su?

[rigid snow]

Sorry

[glad path]

macos btw

[rigid snow]

that's so funny

fym "Sorry"

[unreal coral]

Random thought
Does neuro have a sort of pose/movement filter for 3d?

Or is she 100% free to move however she wants?

[vapid pulsar]

Probably

She does have?

I'd rather not deal with 3D models but will have to at some point

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth tuning 3.0 just dropped

[ember pumice]

Did u guys learn htlm and css?

How hard is java

[unreal coral]

Well i'm jut curious cuz i just saw a clip of neuro playing charades

And vedal asked her to do a salute
So i was wondering if she could have sent vedal into a forced vacation or not
( by doing the elon musk salute .-. )

[lost hill]

Perhaps I am cautious for no reason, but considering that you mentioned webdev frameworks, like mark-up and stylesheet languages, the message prior, are you sure that you want to know about Java and not JavaScript?

[vapid pulsar]

Html css seems like important basics

[jagged turtle]

naming conventions :classic:

[glad path]

why does it just say sorry

[jagged turtle]

?

[glad path]

like i actually cant use su lol

[jagged turtle]

@nocturne olive

[nocturne olive]

Waaa

[jagged turtle]

media streaming device

having intrusive software

[glad path]

aha

found it

so apparently the root user is just disabled by default on macos

[signal trout]

I can't believe superbox would do this, smh; true colors shown

[olive sable]

i have hooked up the new projector

i knew 3000 lumen would be bright, but i didnt expect it to be this bright

[patent shard]

it'd only be hitting 3000 on a small part of the screen, though

[olive sable]

wdym?

lumen is the full projector light source

[patent shard]

I don't think projectors can do 3000 nits with a lot of the screen filled

[olive sable]

nits is the one for parts of the screen

lumen != nits

[patent shard]

ah
I was probably thinking of nits versus cd² or whatever it is

but this is lumens

cd/m²
right

hmm

[olive sable]

you cant direclt yconvert

a 3000 luemn projector has a different amount of nots screenbrightness depending on the size it is projecting to

if the area is 4x as much, the amount of nits will be a 4th

[trim valve]

i hate infrastructure

[olive sable]

bread

[trim valve]

[amber fractal]

[amber fractal]

2022 server

looks inside
win 7

[patent shard]

it was clear on the site that lumens are the most accurate way to display a projector's brightness, yeah

[trim valve]

hate people too

why can't I just magically make these servers do what I want

how dare there be rules and processes

[amber fractal]

The entire screen contains the conversion of 3000 Lumens, just depends on how dense you make it.

[olive sable]

yep

im trying to make hdr work cuz i havent had it at full power yet, but my wayland skill issue is not makign it work

[amber fractal]

That's the one thing I need to remember about nits, it isn't a point unit like lumens but rather an area unit.

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

i specifically bought this cable as it said it did 4K 60 at 15m long, but let me test a different cable...

actually i dont have a different cable

[glad path]

just found this in old code I wrote LMFAO

[olive sable]

fuck it im trying this on windows

[amber fractal]

Always good to sanity check

[olive sable]

windows does instantly let hdr work, but its on 8 bit

ye its a bandwith issue

[sage crag]

r

[naive burrow]

@ vedal click bait title, but hear me out
https://youtu.be/fKf6Kl5TMc0

[sage crag]

[patent shard]

if it's full bandwidth hdmi 2.0, it can technically do 4k 120 with 4:2:0 subsampling
Windows subsampling is horrendous, though... its algorithm is.. atrocious
it like gives no color on one pixel and color on the next and etc.
makes no sense why you'd do it that way

[olive sable]

the projector itself should have hdmi 2.0, so its the cable that might be bad

not certain tho

the wood texture wall kinda ruins it, but this is just temporary for testing

[tender river]

bred go learn devops you will hate it even more

yaml files

webscale companies are too busy webscaling to make languages that serve their needs well and its unix with everything being stringly typed al over again

[severe path]

You should add a ContextConfiguratorInstantiationFactory into there, along with a ClientServerContextConfiguratorHttpDieHardFactory.

And also, add an EnterprisePriceConfiguratorConfiguratorFactory.

Otherwise, it isn't clean code.

Oh, and by the way... "Hello, wold" is spelled wrong. It should be "Greetings, enterprise user of user!"

[jagged turtle]

I mean to be fair, what else can we use? toml?

[young plover]

If I'm forced to write yaml, I just write JSON, which is a valid subset of yaml

[tender river]

no just dont use config languages for something that isnt config

[severe path]

Or just use raw binary

Its compact, and it works much faster in almost all use cases.

[tender river]

raw binary still has to be interpreted making it a language

[severe path]

Yes

[jagged turtle]

just write scripts in python :mhm:

[young plover]

TeamCity Kotlin DSL

[tender river]

no python is not a good fit for the kinds of things yaml is used for

[severe path]

Or if you are particularly diabolical, you can use vimscript.

[young plover]

Actually not bad, but it's kinda wacky the way they make an imperative language look declarative

[jagged turtle]

make a new language for devops scripts

[severe path]

I think it is a bad thing that companies use text formats like YAML & JSON, instead of binary formats, to store their large configs/data.

JSON is slow, and bloaty.

(only for large configs)

[jagged turtle]

Well it was either that or develop/pay for tools

[severe path]

I don't think it is that hard to develop your own binary format.

In fact, I think it might even be easier in the long run, because everything would run faster.

[jagged turtle]

You also have to think about interop

and not every company would want to develop and maintain their own format

[severe path]

If you have a company of a sufficient size (over 50 employees), there is no excuse.

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you think they'll be able to maintain their format with other integrations in other places?

Also, employees can come and go.

when they do you'd need to teach replacements how things are formatted

[severe path]

Internally. Inside the company, with their own tools.

[jagged turtle]

it's much easier, albeit less efficient, to use a well-known format

[severe path]

Documentation

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then you'd have a mix of JSON/YAML/whatever and other types of configs

[jagged turtle]

someone's gotta maintain that still

[severe path]

Yeah.

Any decent company has to maintain itself.

Otherwise they fall over and die.