programming

[tender river]

better than not having regex though

[jagged turtle]

I hate regex so much it is one of the things that makes me go "hope AI can write one for me" without a second thought

[tender river]

regex not that hard to write you just need to remember the escaping rules

[jagged turtle]

my brain too smol for regex

I tried actually learning it a while ago

[tender river]

escaping rules different for different regex engines

[jagged turtle]

I managed to get I think good progress towards learning it but there was something that made me so mad I just quit

[nocturne olive]

RegEx confusing

[hearty notch]

bm

[rigid snow]

you learn regex by using it

not unlike anything else

[hard raptor]

This has become a genchat for technical people fr fr (i love it)

[dry charm]

Also remember that regex is write-only

[hard raptor]

Yeah, you can't read it.. but whether that's a permission issue or just a skill issue.. is always unclear

[dry charm]

It just that sometimes it is so complex you are better off rewriting it

[jagged turtle]

it is tech-general bro

[dry charm]

or use something regexr

[tender river]

what is this photo

[dull egret]

Truly the VODs transfer of all time

Server ASMR for Meditation, Relaxation, Sleep [Fan Jet Sounds] [Microphone Blowing] [Turbulent Polymer Blades Rapidly Tapping Airstreams] [No Talking (Unless You Speak In Electrical Signals)] 🎧🎶

[patent shard]

Why does the b300 have such low shading units, l2 cache and memory bus
What a scam

Hmm.. I guess if everything is doubled..

Still seems like a ton of horsepower for not a ton of memory bandwidth

I mean, if you look at the h200... eh, idk

The reality is probably that the h200 was overkill, and this is just more balanced

[nocturne olive]

Eh

If you mean for inference, no, the bandwidth is way too low on everything to satisfy the compute

[dull egret]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nDr8nukMqyQ?

[true hemlock]

huh?

oh shit

B300 has cut down on both int8 and fp64

god fucking damn

its basically just "AI only" card now with them going all in on fp16 and the useless nvfp4

need to put it as a note on my organization to NOT ever get the B300 due to the fp64 cutdown lol

[silent cloak]

Sad

[true hemlock]

because of how much our research relied on fp64

[jagged turtle]

Anyone tried Nitro v3 with Vite yet? toying around with it rn and it's kinda... eh?

[nocturne olive]

Wa is ta?

[jagged turtle]

ya

[nocturne olive]

I've never even heard of whatever that is supposed to be

[velvet vale]

I choose to believe these are exactly the results I was looking for

[tender river]

https://windowsreport.com/google-revisits-jpeg-xl-in-chromium-after-earlier-removal/

[sage crag]

zub

zub

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

jxl isnt real

webp isnt real

stop making image formats

all you need is png

all you need is bmp

png also bad

bmp and gif

only two media formats

[olive sable]

gif???

[opaque sigil]

ppm

[patent shard]

gif bad, only bmp

[olive sable]

Gifs have a max of 256 colours

So you get colour banding

Among other artefacts

[maiden geyser]

have you seen mp4->gif sizes?

[sage crag]

that's not true

[sage crag]

dont care gif is simpler :smogfrog:

[ivory plinth]

frogsmog

[sage crag]

a pallette can have a max of 256 colours but you can use local pallettes in gifs

[patent shard]

Wat
That's different, we were talking about image formats

[sage crag]

i said media format

[patent shard]

Then VP9
it supports transparency
gif is bad

[olive sable]

Ok, you're still limited to 256 colours per frame tho

[sage crag]

you didnt read what i said correctly

you can easily get >1000 colours per frame with local pallettes

[maiden geyser]

that's NOT different when i download a "gif" from telegram but it's actually mp4 and i have to convert it to gif to use it in discord

[olive sable]

You mean by grouping pixels?

[patent shard]

But you don't? Just upload to imgur and then post in
Although, I don't know what sites support VP9.. that is H.264, bleh

[sage crag]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF

[tender river]

wrong

one local palette per frame

you can have more colors if remaining from old frames

not in new colors introduced in that frame

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

still more than 256 colours per frame i rest my case

[olive sable]

Only more if previously you used less

[sage crag]

no. you can have 256 new colours per frame, and any existing colours remain on the frame

wikipedia has an example

[tender river]

oo gif still allow multiple blocks so konii right

[olive sable]

[patent shard]

Wow, sounds so simple

[olive sable]

So it keeps old colours and adds a new pallete to eventually reach more colours?

[sage crag]

i dont think so, i think you were right the first time

the block thing is just to have 1-to-1 correspondence between colours and pixels

16x16 -> 256 pixels for 256 colours

you can do frames with zero delay though maybe?

[sage crag]

gifs can advance frames without restoring to the background colour

such that the frames get overlaid on top of eachother

[olive sable]

[tender river]

me lazy but

sub-block chain

[sage crag]

[tender river]

dont wanna read more

[obsidian mantle]

lisp assignment is absolute trash

[sage crag]

familiarity issue

[obsidian mantle]

i want to change value of a pointer, but cant access pointer i only have names

set! (car x) impossible

[sage crag]

[tender river]

sicp deliberately introduces concepts piecewise

you can do everything you need to with only what it gives

and using more may detract from the exercises

you can in fact set car using something like set-car!

[obsidian mantle]

yes but i actually need set-cddr!

[tender river]

then set-cdr! (cdr x)

[obsidian mantle]

cant

[sage crag]

<-

[obsidian mantle]

or is it my scheme implementation

[sage crag]

<-

[tender river]

racket doesnt support set-cdr!

i recommend using guile

[olive sable]

I still think apng might be better but the file size would probably be a lot larger

[tender river]

apng is not real

[obsidian mantle]

i dont use racket it supports nothing from sicp

want to use racket -> have to know 99% of lisp already

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

apng file size larger than gif

[obsidian mantle]

to implement core mechanics

[tender river]

file format made in 21st century

[olive sable]

I have space

[tender river]

not real ye

[sage crag]

file format newer than atomic bomb

cant be used due to the fact we all exploded in nuclear hellfire

already

[obsidian mantle]

they just hid pointers behind some stupid barriers in lisp making it super stupid

[olive sable]

But what if i do?

[silent cloak]

i finished absorbing a ton of vulkan knowledge over the past week

and wow is it verbose af

[sage crag]

vulkan

it

vulkan

verbose <=> vulkan

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

yeah but coming from OpenGL it was surprising

i started learning without VMA though

[tender river]

bidirectional implication

[silent cloak]

so I could get a better understanding

[sage crag]

✅

the existence of verbose implies the existence of vulkan and vice versa

[silent cloak]

i mean its cool its just really hard

and there is ALOT of typing for simple things

[sage crag]

i curse you with cloudflare outage on vulkan learning resource

[silent cloak]

didnt really get in the way too often thankfully

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

Vulkan Memory Allocator

its a helpful library that automates a lot of vulkan memory management

[olive sable]

Oh

[sage crag]

v v vv vvv vulkannn memory allocatorrrrrr

📣

[obsidian mantle]

how do i know if it changes alias or actual value of a pointer

[sage crag]

debugger

[olive sable]

You can just make your own functions to do that. Allocating memory then only becomes 3 function calls

[obsidian mantle]

but why should this information be so hidden

and not visible right away

[olive sable]

Print

[silent cloak]

alot of it has to do with the buffers too

[tender river]

wdym visible right away

[silent cloak]

optimizing memory type based on the traits of the data

AMD supports it too and its on vulkans official page

[sage crag]

zub
zub

[obsidian mantle]

i mean separate operations for assigning a pointer itself or the value of where it points

[olive sable]

Everything vertex related goes in vram. All the uniforms go in system ram

[sage crag]

x -=- 1

x +=+ 1

same operation

[silent cloak]

https://github.com/GPUOpen-LibrariesAndSDKs/VulkanMemoryAllocator

u can see the features

[sage crag]

rr

[obsidian mantle]

i have a list (pointer value pointer)
so 2 pointers one value

[tender river]

not every value is a pointer

[sage crag]

but when you x *=* 1

[tender river]

integer is not a pointer (potentially) or maybe pointer (potentially)

flexibility allows stuff like bigints

[obsidian mantle]

i want to assign 3rd element to different pointer so it points do different thing

it changes alias because set! does whatever it wants

[tender river]

yes you need indirection if you want indirection

[olive sable]

Nah. This looks suspiciously like overhead

[silent cloak]

alot of vulkan users either write their own allocators or use VMA

[tender river]

i love scheme even if i'd never use it for anything just a beatiful minimal design with macros being perhaps the only opinionated part

[silent cloak]

especially for large systems

[sage crag]

surely the type of memory your allocator gives you isnt important for performance

what is an alignment

[silent cloak]

no it just shrinks the code a ton

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

which is helpful for larger systems

[opaque sigil]

the bane of my existence

[silent cloak]

ive been learning without an allocator though

[sage crag]

if youre allocating in a hot loop you are doing something wrong anyway

[olive sable]

I will just keep deciding myself what i put in vram and what i dont

[silent cloak]

so i can have a better understanding

[sage crag]

its not meaningful overhead

[obsidian mantle]

sometimes its fine but sometimes they introduce something very weird and it all goes to shit

[silent cloak]

i mean it just shrinks buffers and shit down a lot

[tender river]

call/cc

[silent cloak]

code wise

[olive sable]

[obsidian mantle]

like, at some point they just start using word "pointer" without explaining what is a pointer in their language

[sage crag]

what are you HUHing me for

IO is always the slow part

[obsidian mantle]

and how you change pointer itself or its destination

[sage crag]

computation -> fast
IO -> slow

dont do IO in hot loop

[opaque sigil]

this is why you shouldn't memoize basic arithmetic either

[sage crag]

rrr

[tender river]

pointer something that points

[sage crag]

cache 1 + 2

[tender river]

[olive sable]

Well you see, a lot of variables in vulkan are most of the time just a pointer to the struct you made that vulkan is storing on its side

[sage crag]

from functools import cache

@cache
def add_cached(a, b):
  return a + b

def add(a, b):
  return a + b

i wonder if python is slow enough for these to be equal in performance

[silent cloak]

pCommandBuffers

[obsidian mantle]

i think my actual problem is that set-cdr!/set-car! work super differently from set! and it all destroys any logic in my head

[olive sable]

VkDevice? Thats a pointer. VkPhysicalDevice? You grussed it, pointer. Vk....

Most of the time, its a pointer

[sage crag]

what you expect

[silent cloak]

pVulkan would be a better name

tells u what ur getting into

[olive sable]

No

[silent cloak]

OpenGL++

[tender river]

ye need get used to it it makes perfect sense if you realize you're changing the contents of a particular place

[opaque sigil]

Cached hit:  0.068099 seconds
Cached miss: 0.066005 seconds
No cache:    0.031047 seconds

no but too close

[obsidian mantle]

wait but they explained how set-cdr is made it just uses set

the hell is that

[silent cloak]

me when the l1 cache misses

[sage crag]

2x performance margin

[silent cloak]

branchless my beloved

[sage crag]

rrr

cmov

[obsidian mantle]

no im confused they didnt

[tender river]

pretty good considering you replaced addition with hashtable lookup and insertion

[sage crag]

or, pretty bad because addition is only 2x faster than a hashtable lookup and insertion

[tender river]

🧀

[silent cloak]

deep profiling for a python program

[sage crag]

not worth the time or effort

[silent cloak]

truth nuke

[sage crag]

if you try pypy how does that change

[opaque sigil]

making me download pypy smh

Cached hit:  0.083735 seconds
Cached miss: 0.087449 seconds
No cache:    0.001094 seconds

[obsidian mantle]

the most frustrating part is that i probably will forget everything i did about lisp in a month after i stop doing it

[sage crag]

cached slower

but uncached 30x faster

[obsidian mantle]

and i dont feel like it changes my perception of programming at all, they mostly show how lisp works and thats it

[opaque sigil]

eh that's within margin of error

[tender river]

doesnt matter because they are teaching you principles of programming not lisp either way do more exercises if you're afraid of not getting something

[sage crag]

is the functools hashtable written in c

if it is, that explains why the pypy version isnt faster

[opaque sigil]

it is faster most of the time

[tender river]

remember that its aimed at people with potentially 0 programming experience

[sage crag]

the infinity cache

[opaque sigil]

it was just that one run it seems

[tender river]

it has to start at 0 and ramp up very very quickly

[sage crag]

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Lib/functools.py

[sage crag]

still, for python to be within the margin of error of pypy here means something fishy is going on

is it pypy's jit or is it cpython's stdlib

[opaque sigil]

i mean

you're io bound anyway for the cached version

[sage crag]

if it uses python objects then its doing a dictionary lookup or something

MyHonestReaction

no wonder pypy is barely faster, its just using a python dict

cant JIT this

[tender river]

i mean what else would it use

[sage crag]

i assumed they would use a c implementation

[tender river]

dont even think it would help much

[sage crag]

python io :mug:

[opaque sigil]

io + context switching

[sage crag]

this interesting

[opaque sigil]

thread safety

[olive sable]

that is exactly what i expected, but cipher apparently didnt

[sage crag]

because linkedlist updates aren't threadsafe

linkedlist updates arent threadsafe

rrr

[opaque sigil]

yeah?

[clear sedge]

just make it threadsafe

[sage crag]

python threadsafe status is randomiser

[clear sedge]

[sage crag]

bad

[tender river]

wdym

[sage crag]

is it threadsafe is it not, have guess

act as dice

[tender river]

its thread safe if you wrote thread safe code

[sage crag]

not talking about code you wrote

[olive sable]

[tender river]

its not thread safe if not you didnt write thread safe code

[clear sedge]

just wrap everything in a synchronized block

[tender river]

[sage crag]

me not talk about that

stdlib

[opaque sigil]

they need to support both the normal and free-threaded versions in the same code so makes sense the lock is optional where needed

[tender river]

stdlib shouldnt provide data race protection but should probably use atomic pointers to avoid segfaults

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-gif-gif-25597112

<-

[tender river]

like c#

not sure if java does it

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

java has their weird sync blocks don't they

[tender river]

so does c#

[clear sedge]

java has sync blocks yes

[tender river]

c# has lock

i prefer f# in which its a function rather than language builtin

[clear sedge]

i prefer java cuz i think it's a based language

[sage crag]

ignore

[severe path]

C has POSIX mutexes

[tender river]

f# is a miracle because i get to write code like this

[sage crag]

name eff sharp

i will also accept eph schahp

[clear sedge]

posix >>>> win32 api

[hollow matrix]

holding the shift key is preventing me from typing currently, does anyone know a way to fix this

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

let go

[sage crag]

n-key rollover issue maybe

did it start just now?

[hollow matrix]

yes

[clear sedge]

just use caps lock

duh

[sage crag]

maybe your keyboard has some weird shift lock

[sage crag]

i never want to type () again

[hollow matrix]

idk

[sage crag]

rr

[clear sedge]

just use an external keyboard with special characters

duh

[sage crag]

buy new keyboard problem solve

[hollow matrix]

yeah, this makes any of the shift plus number keys inaccessible

[hollow matrix]

uhh, this is a laptop

[sage crag]

god forbid you want to type +

or {}

[hollow matrix]

yup

[sage crag]

or "

[opaque sigil]

• = --

[sage crag]

or <

or >

[tender river]

me google

[sage crag]

or ?

[tender river]

c# reference assignment atomic

java too

make sense

[sage crag]

or ~

[tender river]

segfault otherwise

[clear sedge]

java would never segfault

java's the goat

[sage crag]

<-

[rough bloom]

then why AtomicReference exist

[tender river]

for swap probably

[sage crag]

when you touch invalid memory expected response is segfault

[tender river]

or cas

[clear sedge]

just don't touch invalid memory

it's simple

[sage crag]

segfault? just dont segfault

[rough bloom]

need to check implementation

[obsidian mantle]

okay actually set-cdr! works for things like (cdr a) and i just had some syntax/skill issue that cost me 1.5h

[olive sable]

if you get issues by doing something, have you considered not doing that thing?

[obsidian mantle]

[rare bramble]

oopsie, wrong channel

[clear sedge]

exactly

you get it

[hollow matrix]

how the fuck

[clear sedge]

windows issue

[maiden geyser]

yeah accessibility sucks

[sage crag]

homeless buy house

insomniac go to sleep

[olive sable]

ye

[clear sedge]

depressed? have you tried being happy?

[tender river]

chayleaf chay leaf

[sage crag]

not pokeball go

[olive sable]

i mean, jsut not touching stuff that breaks your code is a bit easier to do then those other examples.

[hollow matrix]

Yeah, it works now why the fuck was sticky keys on

[olive sable]

wondiws

[sage crag]

pressed shift too many times in a time interval

[sage crag]

you can disable sticky keys permanently if you want

[hollow matrix]

[sage crag]

i believe its in accessibility settings

[clear sedge]

windows making it impossible to friendly sneak in games:

[hollow matrix]

Which option is it

[maiden geyser]

already disabled it

[rough bloom]

ye, just for CAS it seems
is just a volatile variable internally

[hollow matrix]

oh acctually it's prob the third one

[tender river]

might also improve inter thread synchronization on arm

on modern x86 cpus i think they gave up on weaker synchronization guarantees

[hollow matrix]

My fault for pressing shift twice to open the search menu in Rider smh

[sage crag]

just turn em all off

[hollow matrix]

Okay

[sage crag]

i dont think windows provides accessibility settings in first time install

pretty stupid

all accessibility on by default -> good

by not having option to easily disable in the installer you are left with sitting in a middleground

eee

[tender river]

i remember it being there but might be wrong

[fast pagoda]

You probably can hit a button in a corner somewhere

[sage crag]

for the OS with the largest marketshare it should be mandatory

i hope it exists

[fast pagoda]

I have definitely activated the shit out of screen reader and magnifier thru letting my cat sneak behind me and lay on the keyboard

During install

[sage crag]

ye if you press shift a bunch of times in the installer it gives you extra accessibility options you can turn on iirc

[fast pagoda]

But I haven't seen an installer for windows since like 2023

[sage crag]

i dont know if they are on by default though

same

[fast pagoda]

And I've heard that it's only worse so

[sage crag]

it really annoys me sometimes when widely used software provides the bare minimum support for people with disabilities

[fast pagoda]

Oh wait I saw a set up on the mini

But I don't remember

Already wiped that drive too lel

[sage crag]

it feels negligent if not malicious to have defaults be anything but "all accessibility options on"

[hollow matrix]

Windows now gets worse with every update, and I imagine this is because Microsoft did announce much of windows is now written by AI which probably means they aren't checking things work and just assuming the AI knows what it's doing

[obsidian mantle]

its not so bad

what was the last incident?

and when

[sage crag]

forego high contrast mode for "mica" "acrylic" design because it look more pleasing to the average person

now you disregarding all the people who need high contrast mode to be able to use their computer

[hollow matrix]

I think windows was losing access to the drive it's installed on causing it to bluescreen

[sage crag]

i think "clean" and "elegant" ui design is also inherently bad for certain visual disabilities

[maiden geyser]

sub-0.1%

[sage crag]

makes using screen readers much harder

[tender river]

rrr probably on a hotkey

[sage crag]

dont care, mild "oh it's slightly annoying" vs "i literally cannot use this i need someone else to do it for me"

[hollow matrix]

Also, the windows 11 installer gives you less freedom too

[sage crag]

software accessibility sucks because no software or software frameworks are designed with accessibility in mind

[warped narwhal]

to be fair, the actual share of people who need accessability is probably so low that even if they were hostile towards it they wouldn't lose enough money to care

[sage crag]

the disabled are only considered when someone starts complaining, and in the case of big tech companies, only if that is a large enough margin of the market

[maiden geyser]

"i literally can't use it" for 1 person who probably wouldn't care enough vs "it's slightly annoying" tens of millions

[sage crag]

i would prioritise the first every time

you live with mild annoyance your whole life, get used to it

[fast pagoda]

Task manager was unkillable recently

[warped narwhal]

man the revenue from that one person is really going to be worth the hundreds of dev hours to refactor the UI

[hollow matrix]

One of the worst things about windows is Microsoft is trying to do everything they can to prevent you from creating a local account, in order to force you to make a microsoft account

[sage crag]

not my problem, societal issue

should have designed it better in the first place

[maiden geyser]

may this self centered belief lead you to peace

[sage crag]

much the same to you

[hollow matrix]

Most inconsistent UI in an OS

[tender river]

want people with disabilities have better life -> self centered

[fast pagoda]

And I think the last week or two caused updates to continually install over and over

And also people with the security updates still available in win10 suddenly got all the doomsday messages that they're out of support when it wasn't like last month

I am exposed to these as single videos or headlines I chuckle at though so idk the extent

[hollow matrix]

For I think it was a few weeks before windows 10 eol, the windows 11 installer you could download to upgrade, broke, amazing work Microsoft

[fast pagoda]

Ooh a good one recently

Broke USB working in recovery

So RIP

[sage crag]

windows is unusable for fully able people

[hollow matrix]

WAIT, so if windows fucks up and can't boot you can't install a new os?

[fast pagoda]

If you had that issue yeah you'd have had to boot something not from USB ig

Bust out dem dvd-rs

[sage crag]

floppy disk

[opaque sigil]

that's only for windows recovery environments

[olive sable]

i dont have a dvd player or floppy drive 😭

[tender river]

the fact emacs has enough configurability to enable community made accessibility features makes me happy emacspeak seems to be pretty good from what i've read from its users

[opaque sigil]

just boot from usb normally

[sage crag]

network boot

[olive sable]

oh ye that exists

i never bothered to learn what network boot even does

[sage crag]

only if you have wired connection

[sage crag]

you'll never guess

[tender river]

me think
accessibility features need to be very very easy to improve or contribute to for users who need it
because nobody else knows what's best for them

[hollow matrix]

This is fine

[fast pagoda]

Is wireless PXE still an unsolved problem

[olive sable]

i do have a wired connection. but like, what does it do?
how does having wired internet connection unbreak my C drive?

[fast pagoda]

Oops wrong reply

[sage crag]

the issue with designing with accessibility in mind is it requires complete flexibility

[fast pagoda]

Server manages the boot remotely and serves up a fresh system image

[olive sable]

oh

so in reality it doesnt fix anything

[tender river]

yee requires fully programmable interaction and inspection of program state

[sage crag]

which counterintuitively makes it easier to make less accessible software

[opaque sigil]

the idea of bios/uefi having to establish a wifi connection

[fast pagoda]

It's mainly so that you can set up 500+ boxes

[sage crag]

a good example of this is the web

[fast pagoda]

And then just boot them without individually imaging them

And/or fix issues remote

[sage crag]

big unsolved problem in computer science

accessibility rrr

[hollow matrix]

Fun fact, the windows 11 installer forces you to connect to the internet, or you can't continue through it

[sage crag]

unsolved only because there arent enough people working on it

and this why my os is just for me :smogfrog:

selfish os

[opaque sigil]

that's a different layer

[obsidian mantle]

did they patch that terminal bypass

[sage crag]

i say that but i will be looking into accessibility

[hollow matrix]

They seem to be trying

[obsidian mantle]

whyy

[tender river]

me not plan to look too much into runtime flexibility because it's been studied to death but you best believe i'll make the most flexible compile time the world has ever seen

[sage crag]

[hollow matrix]

Becuase fuck you it's microsoft

[fast pagoda]

Yeah pxe stands for Pre-boot eXecution Environment aka it's running before anything but uefi/bios is active

So it can take over

Windows installer is still just a tiny windows

Well, I dunno about tiny

[sage crag]

9gb is relatively small for a windows 11 install

[fast pagoda]

Cyring

This baby can fit so much bloatware

[hollow matrix]

Built-in ads and political articles

[fast pagoda]

[rare bramble]

honestly it's disturbing how microsoft tries to go to great lengths to make it's products miserable to use for the end customer

[hollow matrix]

They are the most popular, they have no reason to become better

[sage crag]

windows is actually a social experiment

[hollow matrix]

amazing

[rare bramble]

like when microsoft sees that people are actively avoiding using some features, instead of asking why people arent using their features and what they would want instead, they do their best to force people to use their garbage and do absolutely nothing to improve them

instead they just make it worse over time

[fast pagoda]

see: intel 2013-2018 when they realized ryzen was a real problem and they couldnt just say muh higher ipc for gaems tho for long

but those years were the worst goddamn years

i mean

id take them over how it is now actually

[sage crag]

microsoft is like a really bad chef who is also a narcissist

[fast pagoda]

at least stuff wasnt giga expensive

it was just shit and not a big improvement

[sage crag]

they keep telling you to try the soup but the soup is really bad

[hollow matrix]

The snipping tool not opening is something I continuously have problems with

[fast pagoda]

u know how to make ice cream souP?

[sage crag]

yee first take some soup

and then add some ice cream

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[hollow matrix]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

mushy peas and gammon soup

add ice cream

[rigid snow]

HELL YEAH

[hollow matrix]

Is afunyun typing a paragraph

[fast pagoda]

nah i just keep writing like a word and then saying nothing

i am buying my brother's new cat some toys to send to him and i have found a perfect representation of me

[tender river]

predicting next token

[sage crag]

on decision paralysis and the paradox of free will

[fast pagoda]

yeah i mean i am an autoregressor i cannot have a CoT without the chain, internal 2 hard

reeeeeeeeeeeeee i dont want to clean data anymore that's why im sitting here saying nothing but trying to

[sinful wave]

Just buy a new ssd

[fast pagoda]

why did i go with powershell for 80% of batchgrader

im an idiot brah

fukccccccccccccccccc my roomba started and the floor is not ready for this

technological hellscape

[olive sable]

why do walls get dusty when they're vertical?

[tender river]

dust small enough

[stray dragon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adsorption

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

look at a wall zoomed enough and it's not smooth or vertical uniformly anyways

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

wall veritcal

90 degfree

[fast pagoda]

90 degrees, and for free you say?!

[hearty notch]

gm

[olive sable]

"in 2077 what makes someone a criminal? not paying for angles"

[hearty notch]

[pliant crypt]

does anyone know of a good local TTS i could download?? I dont really know if this is the correct place to ask, so I apologize in advance T_T

[fast pagoda]

chatterbox

there's a lot of models out there that would qualify as 'good' now depending on what you want to do

https://huggingface.co/spaces/TTS-AGI/TTS-Arena @pliant crypt

https://huggingface.co/spaces/TTS-AGI/TTS-Arena-V2

[pliant crypt]

thank you very much !! :>> ill check these out

[fast pagoda]

these ones are basically comparators so you can just give an example of some text you'd want to tts

and then compare and see how you like it

from a bunch of different models

[pliant crypt]

alrr will do ^^

[fast pagoda]

https://huggingface.co/hexgrad/Kokoro-82M kokoro has been around a while but it is still the highest rated non-proprietary model on the v2 board, if you care about it being an open model

kokoro being an 82 millionparam model is also tiny thus fast and easy to run

[pliant crypt]

i've heard about kokoro a lot, but personally I don't really think it sounds good O_o

[fast pagoda]

well, it's a base model

[pliant crypt]

I am pretty ignorant on this stuff, I've just started really "getting into it"

[fast pagoda]

these models are neural meaning they're trained to fit a dataset (of text & speech in this case so it can generate the corresponding speech to a text input), nobody recorded kokoro's voice it just kinda is the result of adjusting 82 million dials while trying to make those dials output the average of the data basically

anyways that means you can fine tune them on your own data and basically give new capabilitiies or totally change how it outputs

https://huggingface.co/hexgrad/Kokoro-82M-v1.1-zh this one for example decided to sacrifice some of the available voices it learned to make the others (chinese and some of the english) better

[pliant crypt]

isn't it like, REALLY lightweight for 82 million dials??

[fast pagoda]

not particularly, 80m vectors

but they are basically a form of compression

in a lot of ways

[pliant crypt]

oh, and once downloading it, can I simply import it into python? Or are there extra steps to follow before doing that- sorry for asking much :>

[fast pagoda]

at a basic level you just can run python in like a colab notebook to run it yep

anything more complex than that is generally gonna just be plumbing to make it more user friendly

they have some examples that work in google colab: https://github.com/hexgrad/kokoro#advanced-usage

(working off the basic single cell version of running it https://huggingface.co/hexgrad/Kokoro-82M#usage)

there are also more general inference engines or libraries or whatever they want to call themselves that make it easier to use a bunch of them, or stuff to train/finetune that takes some of the pain out of it (unsloth has finetuning notebooks for voice enabled models)

mozilla has one out there that's just called TTS

it might be too old now tho

[patent shard]

does it? it has over 8tb/s of bandwidth

[pliant crypt]

do i need an older version of python for these? Ive tried some, and they frequently give me errors because of the version

[fast pagoda]

best practice is to use a venv for them

[pliant crypt]

yep i am ^^

[nocturne olive]

Inference requires so little compute compared to bandwidth that it's definitely way too little still to satisfy the compute under inference

[fast pagoda]

anything ml related is gonna have strange dependency issues relying on specific versions of stuff without them but usually if you can keep it in its own venv as long as the versions are still out there, you're good

[pliant crypt]

alrr, thanks for the insight man, I'll try working something out :))

[fast pagoda]

have fun, and there's people here who know a lot more on voice stuff than i do, like @nocturne olive for example lol

[nocturne olive]

Oh what's going on?

[pliant crypt]

I'm pretty new to this server I'd say O_o

[patent shard]

it is kind of strange they cut the memory bus so much
the h200 was 6144 bit, b300 is only 4096?

[fast pagoda]

@patent shard it's because autoregressive = you must read the whole entire model from VRAM

every token

short of what it can do tricks to hold with it in cache and stuff

so for even like a 70b model you're reading 140GB out of vram every token which has to go back and forth

[patent shard]

and, yeah, that FP64 is diabolical
they went ALL IN for the lower amounts

[opaque sigil]

fp64 on that card is wasted silicon

[nocturne olive]

Any context?

[fast pagoda]

training at least you can batch the sequences and only load from vram once per batch

[patent shard]

mmmm, I do notice the FB usage is 80-100% with inference for the stuff I run

[fast pagoda]

@pliant crypt was asking about TTS #programming message

[pliant crypt]

just talking about local tts, was asking what to download

[nocturne olive]

Interesting

[pliant crypt]

pretty new to python in general

[nocturne olive]

I mainly focus on vocal synthesis and such

Oh Python is pain
I don't recommend it

[pliant crypt]

O_o

[fast pagoda]

says every python user

including me

still use it

[pliant crypt]

isnt python easier compared to other languages?

[patent shard]

they cut the ROPs, too 😔
bad card for gaming

[pliant crypt]

forgive my ignorance :>

[nocturne olive]

Eh, it sucks compared to anything with a proper type system
Kotlin way better

Kotlin's about as easy too I would say

[fast pagoda]

i should've known you'd start talking about kotlin

[nocturne olive]

Heh

[opaque sigil]

python is the standard, do yourself a favour and just use it

[fast pagoda]

^

[patent shard]

The 6000 Pro doesn't have cut ROPs and stuff, AFAIK

[fast pagoda]

i was going to say a lot of bullshit to basically say what toast just said

python has problems of various kinds but its greatest strength is that everywhere you go involving any sort of ML you're going to be running into python and that'll be what you're expected to be using

[pliant crypt]

Im thinking of doing the Harvard cs50 introduction to python course, people online say it's worth it

[nocturne olive]

But anyway if you go into singing voices that's my specialty, such as this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjEkksmofgo

[fast pagoda]

just let jesus take the wheel and set all types to Any and have an adventure

[opaque sigil]

it does, it's not quite a full gb202

(granted a full chip is unrealistic but still)

[fast pagoda]

i cant wait for the days when they have to make these things waferscale as a function of the limit of how small we can go

$1000000000000000 RTX 90,900

[opaque sigil]

1 gpu per wafer

[fast pagoda]

cerebras does it

it

sucks

and is good at the same time

[opaque sigil]

is that the stupid fast inference chip

[fast pagoda]

yeah wafer chip

4 trilly transistor on one

problem is if the model doesnt fit in memory on the chip it completely loses its speed

[opaque sigil]

is it all sram too like the groq ones

[fast pagoda]

yes

thts the weakness

it's only got like 40gb on the wafer

[opaque sigil]

just make the model smaller

[fast pagoda]

so if it doesnt fit in that size

welp

however i think they are kinda geting around it recently

they keep saying that

but then they dont

so

[opaque sigil]

just beat physics duh

[fast pagoda]

but it's pretty zamn within that box

125 petaflops on one

21 Pb/s bandwidth

memory

[opaque sigil]

checks out i guess

[sage crag]

tosto

[opaque sigil]

someone should just figure out how to make light go faster

[fast pagoda]

but then the result is you get slopomatic qwq32b at 53298472938479283174298479 tk/s and nothing eelse

[sage crag]

feed it more

[patent shard]

not anymore cut than the gaming ones, I think

[olive sable]

feed it less, less mass means faster

[fast pagoda]

imagine being limited to 3 dimensions

could literally never be me

[opaque sigil]

tbf calilng the rtx pro 6000 cut down is probably unfair, since they're kind of forced to

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/bedman-guilty-gear-instant-kill-oppenheimer-me-watching-oppenheimer-4d-gif-10579717707105208046

[opaque sigil]

you only lose 4 out of the 192 SMs

[fast pagoda]

that's just yield anyways innit

[opaque sigil]

yeah

5090 at 170 on the other hand

[fast pagoda]

actually

[opaque sigil]

literally unusable

[fast pagoda]

5080 is the real puke

112 rops KEKW

and then some people got super shafted and got 104

[olive sable]

3090 has 112 rops iirc

and thats 5 years ago

[fast pagoda]

4080 and 5080 have 112

by design

nvidia is literally wiping their butt with the money i spend on anything from them so i kinda get it but damn

[patent shard]

5080 is a scam 😔
imagine paying 33%+ more for 20% more performance and still only getting 16gb of vram
if it was 24gb of vram, that'd be one thing.. but 16? that probably won't even be ideal for 4k in just a few years... even now, you can run into issues if you have more than just the game open
heck, it was 60% more at one point.. and people still bought it! I just don't understand

[fast pagoda]

if you bought a 5080 anywhere above $1200 i just dont even have words to ask how

especially people shelling out 5090 MSRP for asus' endlessly insulting pricing

[opaque sigil]

i saw a couple on sale earlier for like 900€, was a pleasant surprise

though they didn't go down as much as the amd cards

[fast pagoda]

i saw 5090s back chilling at $3400 earlier

was a not pleasant surprise

did see one dude with a palitt one listed at $2100 this morning

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah we don't talk about 4090 and 5090 prices

[patent shard]

5060 ti has been available for $370 and 5070 for less than $500
nature is healing... for now...
prob gonna go to crap soon with all the shortages..

[fast pagoda]

i am so fucking mad that i can see $2000-$2500 for one(1) consumer GPU of any variety and think "yeah damn that's a p good price"

[opaque sigil]

i'm still a bit sad about that 4090 i cancelled shortly after they announced blackwell

went up in price again and never went down

[fast pagoda]

[nocturne olive]

The 5060Ti isn't that useful though

[fast pagoda]

it's happening to me with DRAM now too

i see 64gb at liek $300 and go oooh

wtf is that

[opaque sigil]

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure my 4070Ti is more powerful

[patent shard]

yeah? it has 16gb of vram and still decent compute
I'm not talking about the 8gb vram model, fuck that

[nocturne olive]

Well maybe

But also there's 3090 for 500€ or something with 24GB

[fast pagoda]

i'd be sad if a 4070ti wasn't still a bit > a 5060ti

the whole thing already being blown into scaling hell, that part at least makes sense to me

[patent shard]

4070 ti is more powerful, but the launch price for that was $800... this launched at almost half the price...

and the 5060 ti 16gb you could actually reasonably buy near launch for MSRP

[nocturne olive]

Sil

[fast pagoda]

i have very seriously and angrily considered both 2x b50s with their 16gb at like $350-400 and the radeon ai pro 9700 w/ 32gb (at ~1200)

the result is i have bought nothing and am seething

[patent shard]

okay, it is a pretty big difference

[fast pagoda]

and my training still slow as shit

7900 XTX is still a good deal if you can grab in the 700range

imo

24gb vram

[patent shard]

it's... still not the worst
three years later $800>$370 (if you buy on sale)
with the $800 one being 50% faster

[fast pagoda]

perf is about 9070XT level on most stuff

which is to say about 4080 level

unless you're talking cuda then it's all up in the air and depends on what rocm has decided to point the effort cannon at recently

and vulkan

i didn't think this was gonna be the case and i'm so stupid for not realizing it when i just yolo'd and got this 3080 in pandemic shortage era cuz i was huge mad unable to find a 3090 without insane effort

talk about aging like total shit

10gb vram is a complete joke

and honestly the gaming performance was never that impressive

you dont even see 3080 included in comparisons anymore because it's just a turd

[opaque sigil]

rt perf

[nocturne olive]

If just all that cheap VRAM stuff supported CUDA

[fast pagoda]

i have never cared about RT in literally any way

i barely care enough about RT to know how it works

it's such a non selling point that i forgot it existed

[opaque sigil]

i think the only noteworthy upgrade the 9070 xt offers is actual usable gemm hardware

for fsr4

[patent shard]

it has a big hit to performance if you use FSR 4 and probably will have big hit to performance for Ray Regeneration.. also not as good RT performance (which is forced for a lot of games, guess a lot of games use software, though)

[opaque sigil]

and maybe whatever else they plan on using it for

[fast pagoda]

yeah i mean i guess if you want the frame gen

but like

[opaque sigil]

not even frame gen

[fast pagoda]

ive never seen a game completely force rt unless you're talking whatever they build in to the anti aliasing

[opaque sigil]

there was that indiana jones games that forces rt

[fast pagoda]

and havent used FSR4 or DLSS4 for that matter, probably wont or wont care when i get a card that supports it

[opaque sigil]

and i wanna say the doom one but i could be wrong on that

[fast pagoda]

doom's ran fine on 3080

so

it cant possibly be a differentiator for cards far better than 3080

at least for me in terms of caring

[patent shard]

if you want it basically looking broken, sure

[fast pagoda]

i would probably benefit from frame gen

given that i'm on a 4k 244hz screen

with this shitty ass 3080

but the thing is

i just dont play games and problem solved

[patent shard]

they are baking less and less lighting

[fast pagoda]

good, less bloom

[patent shard]

this means disabling rt looks like shit

[fast pagoda]

i dont play AAA or AAAA games or whatever since they look completely uninteresting every single time i look

and those seem to be the ones that this even matters for

[patent shard]

silent hill f is a recent one that comes to mind where it lets you disable in the options.. but.. you really don't want to

[fast pagoda]

im gonna download that rn and disable it

FUCK it's 70 dollars the other reason everything is uninteresting

i barely wanted to pay $60 for the 2 hours of slop i was gonna get out of it anyways

unreal engine 5

there's your problem right there

[patent shard]

so many games use UE5 now 😔

[fast pagoda]

yeah so they can gush over the RT slop that literally nobody cares about until it becomes mandatory to make the game look the same as a 2019 AAA game that didnt need it

the trailers for this, i do not see how RT possibly adds that much to the lighting that it was required to make this look the way it does

game is surprisingly tiny

35gigs is tiny apparently

[pulsar tree]

RT is more like promise, i guess. Like from developer perspective, no need to think about anything, just turn on an option and volia you get ultra "good" visuals. And, atleast from developer aspect, many are fanboys glazing Unreal thinking "Its NoT ThE ToOl iT's thE dEvelOpeR wHo CanT opTiMize"

same goes for whole UnrealEngine, like there shitty lod system, Lumen and stuff. They are going for the simplification of the engine. And only way you can simplify all of those complex stuff is by making everything avarage

like for whats Unreal is offering performance aint that bad (yeah from gaming perspective its bad, but in what world there exist a simple checkbox that enables dynamic LOD, raytracing and much more)

its more like avarage

[fast pagoda]

all this just says enshittification to me

[pulsar tree]

Performance is average, look is average

[fast pagoda]

instead of some people without the specs to run it complaining
everyone will complain because it runs like shit and doesnt even look all that great for it

good job everyone

[pulsar tree]

youre not wrong, but that happens when you need to hit quarter goals

imo its the whole problem of selling universal game engine

Game engines cant be universal

[fast pagoda]

try to make windows and you end up with windows

it sucks

[pulsar tree]

i guess yeah

part of the todays life

i guess im going to donate a bit to godot

atleast that thing is open source

insted of buying those shitty 70$ garbage games

lets just donate to godot, mby after few years it will be able to be main engine with many variantions for any type of the game you want to build

[fast pagoda]

i dont even care all that much because i don't generally play games myself, it's my only saving grace for still havbing this card

i donated to kde and a few other projects this year tho since im not paying for windows or anything associated anymore

[pulsar tree]

same

what Linux you're using?

i'm hyprland + arch

[fast pagoda]

arch w/ kde (distro is garuda because when i switched it was arch + gaming and i was like i'm in and i have had 0 problems or reason to overwrite it)

[pulsar tree]

nice

[fast pagoda]

my mini is on debian

which i still don't like all that much despite trying to, spoiled by pacman

and my laptop pretty much just boots tails rn

which is also debian

but that's because i use that for distrohopping

oh and my other old pc is on proxmox atm again

[mint shuttle]

Just reverse engineered some Unity game from itch just to give my self some coins, but i didn't expect this debug info
https://imgur.com/a/i65tGf1

[pulsar tree]

ey joo

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabber-ip-grabber-thanos-gif-21846609

i aint clicking that

[pulsar tree]

thats what he posted

[mint shuttle]

Why tf do I need y'all IP addresses?

[pulsar tree]

if you want to know

[pulsar tree]

better safe then sorry

aint that much you could do but still you know

some prefer being safer

[fast pagoda]

ip grabber being used as more of a blanket term for any random driveby nonsense that could be behind a spooky link

[warped narwhal]

jokes on you imgur is blocked in the UK so I can't get it in the first place

[olive sable]

?

it is blocked???/

[pulsar tree]

XD

[fast pagoda]

they didnt pay the telly loicense

[warped narwhal]

yeah cause of their absolutely dogshit online "Safety" act, 18+ content needs your passport, so instead of implementing it, imgur just completely cut off access to the site

[fast pagoda]

me irl in texass

[warped narwhal]

oh and to no-ones surprise, everyone who gave discord their passports had them stolen in a data breach within 2 weeks of this starting

[fast pagoda]

think of the children or somethin they are uhh... in danger!!!

[olive sable]

fair enough

i would do the same

[warped narwhal]

https://discord.com/press-releases/update-on-security-incident-involving-third-party-customer-service

[fast pagoda]

impressive,

very nice

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-gif-7212093

[warped narwhal]

twitch is about to require it as well, so if a streamer does anything that needs the "mature content" warning will now be blocked off

[fast pagoda]

gonna make vedal leak his identity to watch his own stream

[olive sable]

i sure am glad those laws dont apply to me

[opaque sigil]

yet

[fast pagoda]

dont worry citizen, you'll be safe and enshittified soon

[warped narwhal]

Everyone give a round of applause to discord

[fast pagoda]

if it's juuuust the ID photo it's not that horrendous

i mean

it's not great

[olive sable]

if it comes to that i will just utulize every single loophole i can find

[fast pagoda]

but vs the entire thing

[warped narwhal]

passports are a bit worse than your social security being leaked

[opaque sigil]

if only there was a way to securely and anonymously share the fact that you're over the age of 18

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

if only someone were to maintain some sort of

[warped narwhal]

[fast pagoda]

database

of people's ages

[olive sable]

if only some place existed that knows when i was born

[fast pagoda]

way it's going the first and winning all-situation ID solution will be some group doing all these ransoms realizing theyve collectively stolen everyone in several countries ID info to the point that they can now offer ID services

[fast pagoda]

i kinda disagree with this

solely for the reason that you can cancel a passport

you cannot really get a new social unless your life is actively and severely being ruined for years by people having it

[warped narwhal]

it still has your full legal name, age, gender, place of birth a photo of you and your signature.

and the passport number itself which can be used for proof of ID in some online banks

[fast pagoda]

and also a social on its own pretty much means you can open a bank account and get loans

because all that other stuff is already out there no matter what anyways if you ever gave it to any company

[warped narwhal]

oh also it was linked to your discord accounts so get ready to be mega doxxed

[fast pagoda]

ssn + name you can open credit cards, you can file tax returns, you can get any benefits from govt agencies of pretty much any kind, you can even go to a hospital and bill it all to that person without trouble most likely

dont even need the other stuff

and it's permanent and also at least partially guessable if someone knows your rough birth day & the area

and not unique!!!

delta dental leaked by social a few years ago

"whoopsies!"

credit is permafrozen nice

for the rest of my entire life

they paid for one(1) year of dogshit tier ID theft protection

called it good

all the other info that's on a passport well

ive been on the internet a while now

all of that is out there thanks to the 50+ websites ive given various bits of those that have all gotten wiped out in some giant leak

sometimes i go look at the "darkweb" report and laugh at the gazillions of hits

[rigid snow]

holy

[fast pagoda]

im so mad about this topic i could yap about it more than usual

which is crazy

because i dont shut the fuck up

[rigid snow]

how are name styles still not in the mobile app

[fast pagoda]

they got stolen in the data breach

[olive sable]

in belgium, your social security number is on your ID

[fast pagoda]

yeah but the social is not the ID in itself

the social itself both identifies you and is treated as a verification of that identity which is NOT what it's supposed to be for

and we have no national ID because that's too scary

other than that

or passport

[rigid snow]

just don’t have an id

just don’t be a citizen of any country

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/dis-belief-surprised-oh-gif-10085527

im travelling, p barnes

[olive sable]

im not sure about passport, but if someone gets my Id, they automatically also have my social because its right there on the card. so getting the Id is worse than only the social

[fast pagoda]

you are not understanding that while it is called a social security number it's not the same level of ID

ssn is pretty much the single thing you need to verify as a person in the US for most functions you could ever want to, and it doesnt even have a photo of you on it

it's just a piece of paper with your signature on it (whenever you signed it which btw you can only replace the ((paper)) card like twice before it costs a dumb fee to do)

[olive sable]

i dont think they work the same way here as they do there

here your social security number is quite literally just a number. we dont have it on a piece of paper

its on your ID card

[fast pagoda]

you get it at birth, it's a little piece of paper and the number is determined by the time and location of your birth (NOT RANDOM, SUPER EASILY GUESSABLE FOR MORE THAN 50% OF IT BTW)

it is NOT supposed to be an ID

it's just supposed to be the number you pay into the social security system with, that's it

but

we are a bunch of silly billys over here

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/yume-nikki-madotsuki-gobou-poniko-monoe-gif-14969244138185379825

[fast pagoda]

so we CANNOT have a national ID

or some folks will revolt

so they just use the ssn

gg

[clear sedge]

we have what's called a "personal number" here

[opaque sigil]

the closest we have to that here is a tax id you're assigned at birth but that's only for taxes

[clear sedge]

we use that to id people

[olive sable]

thats also just snn im pretty sure

just a different name

[fast pagoda]

yeah i mean there's ID numbers and stuff and that's not great to leak like i wouldn't want my driver's license number out there

but it cant be used like an SSN

to go open a credit card rn i need my name dob and ssn that's it

[clear sedge]

if someone had my id i'd lowkey be done for

[obsidian mantle]

i have passport and thats it

[fast pagoda]

i never use my passport for ID lmao

i didnt even use it in japan

i used my texas dl

[olive sable]

well, here it sure can, because "nationaal rijksregister nummer" is also the only requirement for certain things over here. and it is also pretty much completely determined by your date of birth

[obsidian mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/worldwide-gif-14458341303477518812

[fast pagoda]

probably the majority of ameriburgers dont even have a passport

[obsidian mantle]

using texas dl in japan

wtf is dl

dll?

[fast pagoda]

driver's license

[clear sedge]

i reserve my id for special occasions

like dealing with banks

[obsidian mantle]

i thought americans use passport as foreign passport

[fast pagoda]

i have a passport yes

[clear sedge]

i don't use it for verifying my age on sites because that's dumb :3

[obsidian mantle]

because its basically foreign by default since they are ruling the world

[fast pagoda]

i just havent really used it as an ID abroad

but many americans never leave their home state brah why would they pay like what 50 whole dollars for a passport

[clear sedge]

i don't remember if i had to pay for my passport

[fast pagoda]

actually, when i was in michigan, i think texas has this too w/ mexico at least

but my michigan DL was enough to get into and back out of canadia

and also mexico

no passport needed

[obsidian mantle]

wtf

[fast pagoda]

ig it's kinda like schengen area

but like just 2 other countries lol

and only some states over it

[obsidian mantle]

american driver license more powerful than passports of half of the world countries

[clear sedge]

i traveled to germany once

never again

[fast pagoda]

this strapping young lad isn't me but pov: you are IDing the pastiest man you've ever seen in your life in familymart at your part time job

[olive sable]

honestly reading you rant about social security numbers feels like your trying to boast about having a worse system when we do basically the exact same thing.

[clear sedge]

eyes: bro

[rigid snow]

sex: f

[clear sedge]

he could be trans

[rigid snow]

not saying he can't

[clear sedge]

i do wonder what the expiry date on my id is

[obsidian mantle]

in papers please you can jail people for having f like that

[rigid snow]

context very differernt

[clear sedge]

yeah can't have people who failed sex coming into the country

[fast pagoda]

i certainly dont find it to be a positive, just complaining it's leaked and that's it you can never unfreeze your credit ever again at best (idk if you guys have credit reporting stuff, im sure you do but idk how it works)

im more just malding that it's that shrimple to massively inconvenience someone basically permanently

and folks in other countries sometimes think it's like having your driver's license number leaked or something when it's not (yours sounds the same lol)

lolol

[olive sable]

idk what credit reporting is lol

[rigid snow]

ye credit reporting exists

[clear sedge]

i assume it's reporting credit

[rigid snow]

no idea whatthey use to look you up tho

[clear sedge]

[fast pagoda]

banks keep a score on you for how "dependably" you'll pay back loans

it's very orwellian

[olive sable]

oh

well i dont take loans

[fast pagoda]

im sure there's an equiv

well