programming

[slate bear]

Do ure own

[white bridge]

lol i bricked my app with some advanced foot-gunning

[slate bear]

I'm Here with family

[white bridge]

swarm sync crashes now and it appears to be because i set the color of the lavalamp to hsv(65535, 6551%, 100%) 😄

the color picker never saw me coming

it's all recoverable/fixable, i'm just amused

[slate bear]

Lol

[slate bear]

MAYBE I WILL HACK THIS LAVA LAMP

[white bridge]

Here's the 30 second tutorial to catch up to where i am right now

# https://github.com/IceBotYT/ha-neuro-lamp <- get your device_id and localkey. 
d = tinytuya.Device(DEVICE_ID, IP_ADDRESS, LOCALKEY, version=3.5)

# set data
d.set_value("24","%04x%04x%04x"%(300,1000,1000))  # Hue(0,360), Sat(0,1000), Brightnness (0,1000)

# get data
data = d.status()["dps"]
power = data["20"] # true / false
mode = data["21"] # colour = color specifically set,  music = stream sync
color = data["24"] # 12 character hex string for hsb color: HHHHSSSSBBBB
# no idea what "25" is.

i was considering making a tool for "paste your debug log here, and it'll regex out your device id and local key" since getting the key from the debug log is mildly obnoxious

[dry charm]

dip 25 is scene

[white bridge]

wa! what's that

[dry charm]

You can set pre-programmed color rotation

[white bridge]

oh? is that in the ui somewhere

[dry charm]

#1298035351432200256 message

[dry charm]

No

Well, I think the new RGB toggle uses that

but I just use the HA integration

[white bridge]

neat! lol, time to catch up with other people hooray

[dry charm]

basically the only thing left is reverse engineering the swarm sync, create a service that registers itself and act as a relay

[white bridge]

oh, you can edit that i guess. it's under the power/sync to stream bottom menu thing, "RGB Light Mode" configure pushes to that variable

[dry charm]

No not that

[white bridge]

re swarm sync reverse engineering, is that "figure out how to listen to the tuya data" like the lamp does, or is that something entirely disconnected from the lamp

[dry charm]

Creating a standalone service, that connects to the tuya cloud, where it receives the color data Neuro gives like if it were a real lava lamp

which then you can hook into apps / HomeAssistant and push the values to other RGB devices

[white bridge]

yee that was my original desire, hook up swarm data to the rgb in my home lab rack lol. but the lamp called to me

[rigid snow]

ws transport without faking anything, your certs your domain, fully ud for some reason

server side obviously

by "fully ud" i am referring to them detecting the way it works rn, not sure based on which heuristics but they mark the ip in some database and throttle your shit

oh also don't let any traffic come back home from the server that is very much going to get you detected

block ip ranges or route them through cf warp

[young plover]

HDR lava lamp
praise be to the lamp

[obsidian mantle]

but how do i know the ranges to block

[rigid snow]

all ru ips

[slate bear]

:(

[obsidian mantle]

only incoming connections?

[slate bear]

Yo

[rigid snow]

outgoing of course

[obsidian mantle]

i dont get it

what if i need some ru site

[rigid snow]

or route them through cf warp

[slate bear]

Lava lamp maybe chinese

[rigid snow]

in a nutshell make sure they don't come in from the same ip

same ip you’re connecting to

[obsidian mantle]

but

how does it explain phone being shit while pc being alright

if they both have same ip, routers ip

[rigid snow]

that is weird

[obsidian mantle]

this is done on the device im using? or you can do it on router

[rigid snow]

you can do it wherever but safer to do on the server itself

[slate bear]

Restart ure phone

[obsidian mantle]

i dont have access to vpn server i just bought some vpn which provides several servers from different countries

[rigid snow]

get yourself one

[obsidian mantle]

actually, when i switch the server, discord works perfect for several seconds

then starts lagging

on phone

[rigid snow]

#programming btw

wait

for legal reasons i do not operate any servers

[obsidian mantle]

is it illegal to operate them

[rigid snow]

with vpn software

since sept i think

[obsidian mantle]

bruh we need to leave

wtf

[opaque sigil]

[obsidian mantle]

some day

[rigid snow]

btw if you don’t have access it’s not your concern, other users would have tainted the ip long before

provider’s responsibility

[obsidian mantle]

right

[jolly laurel]

[jagged turtle]

I'm like 90% sure discord uses cloudflare as their cdn so (if true) you're calling cloudflare cdn crap

[slate bear]

Then how we gono know

Discord debugging connect to cloudflare

[mighty thorn]

So close

[signal trout]

"Neuro-sama wants to access your Discord account" is a warning I'd rather never see

[slate bear]

REAL DEAL

[jolly laurel]

[mighty thorn]

9

[slate bear]

Use / command

[mighty thorn]

Here?

[stiff mica]

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)

[slate bear]

In dm

[mighty thorn]

OOOH

[slate bear]

My bot just crash :(

God dam

[mighty thorn]

Nuh uh

[jagged turtle]

idk man I feel like this would be worse

[nocturne olive]

Yeah I think that one might be slightly worse

[mighty thorn]

I’d let her

[rigid snow]

man this ui looks ass

[jagged turtle]

I just wish they let us programmatically cancel it

it as in

the normal notifs

with proper buttons and allat

[rigid snow]

not the progress one right

yeah yeah

[jagged turtle]

yea

[rigid snow]

been a while

[jagged turtle]

can't blame you, I always refer to them as "notifications"

the progress one I just say "timed notifcations"

[rigid snow]

them not actually being called notifications is stupid

[slate bear]

I'm back

[jagged turtle]

what's more stupid is not being able to programmatically cancel normal notifications

[rigid snow]

it kind of makes sense but not really

[jagged turtle]

anyways, I'm teetering towards making it also a webview as well but like

that might also be kinda weird

[rigid snow]

that has to go somewhere

also is ehat i initially suggested

but like

where

[jagged turtle]

I was gonna say sidebar

since we've added a sidebar view system now

[rigid snow]

wait huh

for what

[jagged turtle]

mainly bottom view

[rigid snow]

settings?

yes

[jagged turtle]

permissions more specifically

[rigid snow]

right

what’s the image thing

[slate bear]

Do all allowed

[patent shard]

Well, something is up
I don't think cloudflare is amazing, though
It's on the budget side

[jagged turtle]

asset showcase, I decided to do that because I just thought so

[patent shard]

But that's why it's used a lot

[jagged turtle]

it is on the budget side but I don't think it's bad
it's good

them having servers everywhere is why they hold up

but that will only get you so far

[rigid snow]

yes figma add generative ai to design software we all needed this 🙏

[jagged turtle]

is that just gonna use html/react & css?

[rigid snow]

no

[patent shard]

Well, it's just weird things under a mb take 3 seconds to load sometimes
Imgur just loads instantly when I use it for gifs
The difference is insane.. maybe it's just something weird with my connection..?

[rigid snow]

it's figma it's design software

[jagged turtle]

its a you issue, it takes ~1 second for me assuming the weather is good

[patent shard]

Generally it does for me, too.. but then sometimes it just takes a long time

[jagged turtle]

oh, then it could be because your specific datacenter didn't have the image yet so it had to go fetch?

[rigid snow]

that should not take long unless the server is down

one thing you have to understand is that a "cdn" is just a caching proxy to a s3 bucket 99.999% of the time

[jagged turtle]

that is true

[rigid snow]

the network part is that the proxy is distributed

edge

[jagged turtle]

idek abt the terminology sometimes

[rigid snow]

something like this is way more readable

obviously the spacing is fucked up but i had to work with the screenshot

[slate bear]

U want simple:|

[jagged turtle]

idk if those icons are something pre-made (as in like available) or not

but either way forward that to our thread probably

[rigid snow]

i mean i just took material icons

[jagged turtle]

it would look less jarring as well

[slate bear]

And give permission to neuro like write code

[jagged turtle]

oh

[rigid snow]

can probably get them in as svg

[rigid snow]

like uhh

embedded

[jagged turtle]

Lemme go look

[rigid snow]

you know what i mean

[rigid snow]

tehy're not gonna be in vscode if that's what you're looking for, different corpo

[jagged turtle]

No, as in like

would it be available as an npm module, for example

[rigid snow]

bloat

[jagged turtle]

but like nah we can just download it

[rigid snow]

ye

[jagged turtle]

it's not like it will ever update

[jagged turtle]

bloat? in OUR neuropilot? it's more likely than you think

[rigid snow]

or even this

[jagged turtle]

I mean at least it looks better than white boxes on dark background

I'll forward the message then

[rigid snow]

see you there

[mighty thorn]

Has anyone wrote a compatibility layer yet to allow for function calling LLMs to use the neurosama game api?

Or should I?

[jagged turtle]

why?

because they won't be able to deal with action forces

[rigid snow]

i thiiiink that's in mcp

it's called sampling or some shit

[jagged turtle]

sigh

time to go digging in the MCP protocol again

[slate bear]

Why

[mighty thorn]

Because I want to

[jagged turtle]

I guess it does exist

[jagged turtle]

That being said I can't say anything either considering for neuro-mcp-relay-registry I was considering making the same exact thing

[mighty thorn]

I was just gonna use ollama and its tools api because I’m deathly scared of writing a similar system myself

To be honest with you

I mean it’d still be interesting on my end given that function LLMs as they are don’t really support tool calls TO them, just from them

I’d have to send incoming ones as user messages

And probably write a rather lengthy system prompt to make it not get confused

[jagged turtle]

really? does it not support sampling? the spec's been there since june so I would imagine there would be some support

[mighty thorn]

I mean in terms of how, to my understand, open weights tool LLMs are trained

[jagged turtle]

ah

yeah that might be a problem

[mighty thorn]

I’m sure I COULD do it all in one message, I’m just not sure the models would understand

[dry crest]

My ai isnt doing so well....

You: hi
Bot: Take bro?
You: take what?
Bot: Take bro?
You: huh
Bot: Take 😁❤️
You:

[nocturne olive]

Wa

LLM finetuning?

[mighty thorn]

It’s pretty obvious that Vedal has some novel method based on not only that but also that the vast majority of the adoption of function calling in LLMs happened a good year or two after Neuro started doing thing which I would assume require it

Tho I do wonder if I’m wrong given a lot of her early access to external stuff was done via keywords like “shock”

[jagged turtle]

Well I'd see why you think so considering neuro's "tool calling" stuff was implemented really early for stuff like, idk, pokemon showdown?

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure those early things were external models, not Neuro tool calling

[slate bear]

This is good btw what model are using tho

I want get neuro sama llm

[dry crest]

I'm using a GRU coded from scratch and the dataset is some small one i found on huggingface

[slate bear]

Hmmm

Basically from scrach

[dry crest]

yea

[slate bear]

How many days to build a ml

[magic chasm]

Any one understand java code

[slate bear]

Why ?

I know js

[magic chasm]

I learn java language

[magic chasm]

Ohh

[dry crest]

If you mean lm it don't really take much time to build it but I'm trying to understand the code more and more which takes weeks or a month because the math is really advanced.

[slate bear]

Matrix is easy

[magic chasm]

Logical

[jagged turtle]

Probably, but I can't remember when Neuro tool calling was implemented

[slate bear]

A = [1*2]

[magic chasm]

2

[rigid snow]

oh forever ago

[nocturne olive]

Model how big and on how many GPUs and batch size?

[mighty thorn]

Sometime between abiogenesis and last Tuesday

[jagged turtle]

what

[rough bloom]

proper tool calling was likely implemented around the time the soundboard happened
mabe had more primitive versions before that though

[slate bear]

And keep it up

[jagged turtle]

yeah but like when exactly did she start using tool calling

[magic chasm]

I know jdbc connection

[rigid snow]

as shuni said yeah soundboard

[jagged turtle]

also wonder if vedal saw the whole code mode thing with tool calling/mcp

[jagged turtle]

[rigid snow]

that would maybe only benefit some game integrations, other stuff is basic enough

[dry crest]

Fairly small, it's the smallest lm you can make so one GRU which is fine. The batch size is also very small but I will expand it today to make it better.

[rigid snow]

The integrity of 2025 files was checked. This might have caused installation to take longer.
Done in 4m 5s
``` not me thinking wtf <current year> files are

[dry crest]

ty

[jagged turtle]

neuropilot becomes redundant
Although that makes me think of how it would even work under Vedal's setup

[magic chasm]

monday project submit

[slate bear]

Ure cooked

[magic chasm]

Lol

[rigid snow]

they found each other

[jagged turtle]

like for example he would have to spin up a virtual machine for every integration

[magic chasm]

Website design module submit

Responsive website module

Any idea 💡

[jagged turtle]

also wtf

what is that

[slate bear]

Clickable link

[rigid snow]

pnpm

[jagged turtle]

pnpm does that?

[rigid snow]

i guess

[jagged turtle]

wtf is that used in

[rigid snow]

i don't pay attention to install logs

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

so maybe it does that ofteb

[magic chasm]

Uhhh Yeah only design module html css responsive design

[rigid snow]

what was that abbreviatiobn

RWD

responsive web design

[magic chasm]

Yeah

Any one Idea

Suggest language

[jagged turtle]

???

[slate bear]

jQuery

[magic chasm]

No only html css javascript using

4 template website design

[sage crag]

🐸

[magic chasm]

i am cooked in class

[rigid snow]

vedal proof ux

[slate bear]

Truly lol

[sage crag]

you have to remove both close buttons first

[rigid snow]

*hits x*

💀

[magic chasm]

No idea

[jagged turtle]

look, if he isn't gonna look at the changelog on his own, we just gotta yell at him

we even let him press a neat little content button (Send Neuro changelog)

[sage crag]

Send Neuro Changelog

im a mind reader

i have the gift of prophecy

🥔

[jagged turtle]

Also this pops up as a notification afterwards to not be annoying

[slate bear]

Bro my phone cache is build up like crazy

[rigid snow]

to not be annoying
pops up twice

[jagged turtle]

no like

it starts as a popup like that

then on subsequent starts it just shows as a big ass notification in the corner

[sage crag]

annoying is when it changes your desktop wallpaper

[rigid snow]

oh i understand this is first launch only

[jagged turtle]

yea

[jagged turtle]

[sage crag]

desktop wallpaper to changelog

[jagged turtle]

"ooohhh you want to read the changelog so bad"

[sage crag]

100

[magic chasm]

Hey

[jagged turtle]

@rigid snow cheak

[rigid snow]

[blissful geyser]

my site was down was because i accidentally removed the module that lets php interact with mysql

actually coding in production moment

[silent cloak]

Reminded me that I need to actually finish my site

Ive been locked in on several other projects

[obsidian mantle]

why so many people make their own websites

is a part of education or

[sage crag]

why so many people make anything

[olive sable]

[obsidian mantle]

idk why

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

it just feels like website is too arbitrary for being made so frequently

or is it just for fun

[olive sable]

i feel like on a place like the internet, a website would be the most popular thing to make

[sage crag]

a lunch is too arbitraru to be made so frequently

[obsidian mantle]

whoah thats a leap

[sage crag]

do people just make them for fun

[obsidian mantle]

[sage crag]

not really

[obsidian mantle]

so website is extremely important thing

this i dont get

why

https://tenor.com/view/madara-meteor-naruto-gif-14013281

konii typing

[sage crag]

website make for following reasons:

• to solve a problem that you have
• a fun activity
• a learning exercise
• you were paid to

[opaque sigil]

to figure out how to avoid JS

[olive sable]

people also have websites to have like a description of themselves and what they do an stuff

[obsidian mantle]

thats just fancy txt

[olive sable]

so?

[obsidian mantle]

why just dont make a txt

[olive sable]

you cant seriously expect everyone to download a .txt file

[blissful geyser]

1. its fun
2. it expands my portfolio
3. it gives me a general experience on how start and manage projects when i actually start doing projects for a client for real

[opaque sigil]

where would you even put the txt file

oh wait

a website

[olive sable]

github

[obsidian mantle]

by txt i meant just text

you type text to your job application

for example

[olive sable]

put the text, on le website

[obsidian mantle]

or pin it somewhere in your discord server

[blissful geyser]

also theres something feeling good about having your site go up and alive on the internet for everyone to see after its all working in harmony

[obsidian mantle]

website is a way to do it yes

[olive sable]

it is the best way to do it

[obsidian mantle]

also you need to host it somewhere

so you either have your pc running 24/7 or have some paid service

[blissful geyser]

i have a VPS so i have that covered

[olive sable]

cloudflare, whatever works

i have a laptop already running as a mc server through my domain

[blissful geyser]

https://nota-app.duckdns.org
like this one although its kinda basic

[jagged turtle]

yeah web sciences is a course in cs

[sage crag]

or just buy an actual domain

[obsidian mantle]

see

buy a DOMAIN

[sage crag]

not for everything of course

[sage crag]

are you dense

[obsidian mantle]

as a substitute to a string of text

[dry crest]

Wtf did my ai say?

Bot: hello my favorite subjects . 👋 ’ t drink . < eos > bot : totally ! < eos > bot : i don ' t drink anything , but i ' m doing answering i have a human . < eos > bot : yes , bring it on

[blissful geyser]

im buying a domain for actual official projects not practice websites

this is a practice/hobby site

[sage crag]

it doesnt really matter of course but you can reuse a domain for anything

[olive sable]

ye

[obsidian mantle]

maybe im just not a fan of buying anything if i dont need it

[sage crag]

subdomain.domain.tld/resource

[olive sable]

i own a domain, and for the mc server i use mc.[domain]

[blissful geyser]

also it doesn't really make sense to buy a domain if im not gonna use it for anything serious yet

[jagged turtle]

Ah yes, you should expect people to type 142.251.163.102 to use google instead of google.com

[sage crag]

you dont need a domain to host a website

[obsidian mantle]

i can understand why google has a domain

[sage crag]

additionally, you dont even need to buy a server to host a website

[obsidian mantle]

i dont understand why john from london buys a domain to host his txt portfolio

[sage crag]

strawman

[jagged turtle]

well if you run anything that should be exposed to the internet, you do need a domain

[sage crag]

only if you intend on having it exposed to the public internet

if you are the only consumer you dont need a domain

[jagged turtle]

Because, idk, they don't want to have to tell their employer to type a random ass string of numbers

[olive sable]

because its 5 bucks a year to get the domain, and its a lot more professional than having people find a text file on github or in a discord server or wherever

[sage crag]

"yo join my discord my portfolio is in the pinned messages"

either way

dense <-

[jagged turtle]

yeah that's fair

[obsidian mantle]

discord server is different

and you dont host it

[olive sable]

i think everyone here has at least some type of old laptop lying around. you could always use that as a local server

its basicly free

[blissful geyser]

yeah but he doesn't like it when my website here has duckdns on the name

or cloudflare

[olive sable]

waht?

i dont think you need to have cloudflare in the name

[blissful geyser]

also you gotta take care of the port forwarding part on your local server. most residential networks use CGNAT which makes that impossible

[rough bloom]

you don't even need that, self-hosting is nice but is very much optional (and an often unnecessary headache)
tons of services like Cloudflare that will host it for you for free

[jagged turtle]

I mean what else are you gonna do, post your server's direct IP right here for everyone to see?

I am sure that no one will do anything bad to it at all

[sage crag]

an ip is directly viewable with a domain

its not private or anything

[obsidian mantle]

yeah

[blissful geyser]

i mean they can technically view my site's IP by pinging it

[sage crag]

its just an alias

[jagged turtle]

I know, it just makes it easier if you post the direct IP here since there are more things tracking messages sent here than things actually following up by pinging

[olive sable]

what???? i think everyone in my country has the option to do portforwarding with their isp

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

portforwarding is litteraly built into the app

[sage crag]

a domain is functionally identical to an ip and any crawler that is crawling for ips will also crawl for domains

[jagged turtle]

Also most services like cloudflare require you to use a domain to use their reverse proxy services

[blissful geyser]

everyone in my country
yes thats the problem your country is not my country

[olive sable]

what the hell does your country use then?

[jagged turtle]

yea true I was just coming up with shit for no reason

[obsidian mantle]

i just wanted to ask

[blissful geyser]

CGNAT, its used to acommodate the lack of vacant IPv4 Addresses

[olive sable]

what

since when are we lacking those?

[blissful geyser]

idk man ask my ISP

thats what they said

[rough bloom]

holy

[sage crag]

thats one of the reasons for ipv6 existing

[obsidian mantle]

why do you need portforwarding on isp level

[sage crag]

??

that doesnt make any sense

[olive sable]

the router does it

[blissful geyser]

this fried 40% of my braincells

[olive sable]

the router is provided by my isp

[jagged turtle]

[olive sable]

idk, i never had issues with ipv4, and i was unaware of there being issues

[obsidian mantle]

i was refering to that

[olive sable]

ye

you use the app

[obsidian mantle]

its like isp guy comes to your house and configures your router?

[olive sable]

to set the portforwarding

on your router

[blissful geyser]

if we didn't, ipv6 wouldn't be invented

[sage crag]

there are two people for every ipv4 address

roughly

[olive sable]

no, le app

[obsidian mantle]

what app

[olive sable]

from my isp

[sage crag]

the router software

[blissful geyser]

when did a router need an app

what

[olive sable]

well, its kinda like the everything isp related software

[sage crag]

webui usually

[olive sable]

no, they stopped doing webui

[blissful geyser]

i just use the gateway web UI bro

[sage crag]

"they"

[olive sable]

its all in the app now

[obsidian mantle]

thats new app for router

[olive sable]

not for router

[sage crag]

it is in fact not new

[olive sable]

for everything

[obsidian mantle]

what else

router and ... what else

[olive sable]

phones

landline

[blissful geyser]

im too third world to understand this one

[olive sable]

wifi extender

literlayt everything isp related

[obsidian mantle]

oh wtf so you have all that under SINGLE isp?

[olive sable]

yes

[obsidian mantle]

i get extenders and router and landline

but mobile

[blissful geyser]

this is probably an enterprise network

[olive sable]

nope

[sage crag]

this channel hurts my head sometimes

[olive sable]

this is the most popular consumer isp in belgium

[blissful geyser]

whats the name

cause this is some weird shet

[sage crag]

shumi

[blissful geyser]

i never heard of everything ISP related being managed by one app

[olive sable]

proximus

[rough bloom]

cone

[blissful geyser]

thanks

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187930764873056278/1438843835315654757/neuroModeMode.gif

my gif

why did it un-embed

[obsidian mantle]

it didnt

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

restart discord

[blissful geyser]

it did in fact, embed.

[mighty thorn]

https://zenodo.org/records/3889168

[olive sable]

literally everything

is in the app

on my phone

[obsidian mantle]

so if your isp is down

[blissful geyser]

if your ISP is down everything is gone i guess

[obsidian mantle]

you have no backup

[olive sable]

you dont need to change the setting of your router every day i hope, cuz that would be weird

and yes then you're fucked

[blissful geyser]

that's a reliability problem

[olive sable]

not really

[obsidian mantle]

i had 2 landlines back in my old appartament because original isp kept dying every month

[blissful geyser]

it is, in an enterprise setting, even a 1 minute outage would be disastrous

[obsidian mantle]

at least its $5 here per landline

[olive sable]

if the isp is down, you cant change the router settings, but the router didnt magically break. we still have 4g and wifi

and this isn't enterprise, so that doesn't matter

[obsidian mantle]

so you dont even own the router?

or how does it work

[olive sable]

we dont own the router ye

[slate bear]

Website almost ready

[obsidian mantle]

aware

[olive sable]

thats the norm here

[blissful geyser]

you will own nothing and you will be happy moment

[rough bloom]

it's a consumer router, it doesn't do much except act as a gateway to the internet
if your ISP has a major outage then you don't have internet anyway, so this doesn't matter as much for consumers

[blissful geyser]

basically if proximus ever shuts down the router is landfill e-waste

thats what im assuming

[dry charm]

An app instead of web ui for router is weirdge

[rough bloom]

now this is why I have my own router
being tied to your ISP that much kinda sucks

[sage crag]

rr

[obsidian mantle]

гг

[olive sable]

they try to make you rent wifi boosters, as you can see in the screenshot we own 2, as the first one is free, and we kinda need the 2d one cuz we dont have lan to that part of the house yet.
for the rest, it says our wifi network is "poor" because it cant see that we have installed our own routers connected to lan

[obsidian mantle]

2 boosters

that sounds like some palace setup

[blissful geyser]

does bro live in the parliament or something

[obsidian mantle]

we dont have boosters in the office, you go to the toilet wifi is out of range

[olive sable]

you cant really own your "own" router here. even if we switcht oa different isp, they will also bring their own router.
this doenst actually bring any issues tho. we still have full acces to all the router settings like port forwarding, firewall, blacklisting and whitelisting a network, and everrything else

[blissful geyser]

mine is so strong that it still has coverage even in the toilet

[olive sable]

through the app

[blissful geyser]

and its just one router

[obsidian mantle]

depends on the toilet location i guess

[rough bloom]

I think that one might be intentional

[blissful geyser]

toilet is 5 meters away

[olive sable]

i just live in belgium bruh

[mighty thorn]

KSP reference!

[obsidian mantle]

oh

[blissful geyser]

evil genius design to keep you from playing genshin on the toilet

[olive sable]

if you play genshin on your phone, you have already failed

if you play genshin, you have already failed

[obsidian mantle]

these evil corporations

[slate bear]

I want test my website should I give link u link

[blissful geyser]

ip grabber incoming

[mighty thorn]

“Not all heroes wear capes or enter burning buildings, some save you from yourself”
-me right now

[olive sable]

so like, i dont see what the big deal is with having an app do the stuff that localhost does for yall?
its a lot more convenient

is that what you meant with having the dns in the link title?

[slate bear]

I'm testing

[blissful geyser]

no this one is not a dns thing, this is a local hosted one forwarded under a temporary domain

[olive sable]

ah i see

[slate bear]

Yep

[blissful geyser]

mine uses a DNS to redirect to my site

[olive sable]

i have recently bought a domain so i never had to do something like this

[blissful geyser]

the difference is that mine is permanent like a regular bought domain and doesn't change every launch

[olive sable]

for free?

[slate bear]

I should buy a server tho

[blissful geyser]

yes

[rigid snow]

why all website

you should just not website

[slate bear]

LOL I FORGOT TO MAKE DATABASE 🤣

It stored on ure side not mine side :)

[rough bloom]

offer service over telnet instead

[blissful geyser]

does your database automatically get created when you launch the site via something like config.js/config.php or you just manually created it?

[slate bear]

I didn't make config

[slate bear]

Or else

[blissful geyser]

cause to me, having it automatically create the database, tables and values would save you the hassle when you wanna deploy the site in different environments

[rigid snow]

ssh because we’re in 2025
||and thats how terminal.shop came to be||

[blissful geyser]

my VPS got compromised caused i often logged into ssh with a password

i already recovered and mitigated it though

now i just log in via SSH keys

[slate bear]

My terminal side

/api/reminders 304 Not Modified

[blissful geyser]

my professor also said strong SSH keys are good practice

[rigid snow]

i had a person that works at an it security company (!!!) screensharing some unrelated stuff to me and watched them log into a prod server by trying out random passwords from dms with his boss

[blissful geyser]

i also turned off password logins for SSH sessions so i can only log in with ssh keys

[slate bear]

I'm thinking to make login side

[olive sable]

im pretty sure my 3D printer does some ssh stuff, but i ussualy jsut use the localhsot website instead

[slate bear]

I'm. Closing my website for now

[rigid snow]

the following convo, roughly
me: bro ssh keys bro…
he: too complicated

[blissful geyser]

bruh

isn't ssh keys more convenient

you dont need a password to login

i legit just boot up an ssh session and bam im in

but for other people without the ssh key its hell

[obsidian mantle]

what the

[rigid snow]

it’s not hell and isn’t complicated

[slate bear]

Nice art

[rigid snow]

you copy the users pubkey into a directory on the server

that’s it

[olive sable]

thats nor art, thats edelweiss' pc

[blissful geyser]

thats what im saying

[obsidian mantle]

i wonder how big that thing is.
i feel like every photo was a close up of some part?

[blissful geyser]

the private key is locally stored on the user's computer and thats the thing they use to authenticate

[rough bloom]

you can make it complicated by messing with the SSH agent
but ye, generally it's that simple
very little reason not to use pubkey auth

[blissful geyser]

after its setup, you can get in your vps tty speedrun any%

[slate bear]

Let make a web game with note + reminder

[dull egret]

Yeah, I just kinda cut the same amount for all, so as not to run short.

But the extra hanging over, I just used twisty ties to hold together

[slate bear]

I don't have idea so i will call chrome dyno

[dull egret]

Well, network server, but yeah

[uneven pulsar]

chat is c begineer frendly if you're new to programming

[olive sable]

uhm

not really

[rigid snow]

is it

[olive sable]

i dont think so

[rigid snow]

i think so

[uneven pulsar]

some says its great for learning programming fundamentals

[olive sable]

smaller syntax, but manual memory management

[rough bloom]

not horrible, depends on what you're most interested in / what you want to make I think
most people start with a higher level language like Python or Java (or JavaScript ) though

[rigid snow]

you can go a long way with stack alloc

if you’re just starting

[slate bear]

I love mapping

[rigid snow]

idk even manual memory management seems very very straightforward to me

it’s just inconvenient you have to think about it

[olive sable]

idk

[rigid snow]

if you’re starting out you’re not doing anything close to actually complicated it’s not a lot of mental overhead

[dull egret]

Depends on how you think...

C is friendlier than C++

But Python or Ruby are friendlier, in general.

However, Python teaches linear thinking that can be hard to change, later on.

I'd recommend C, C++, or Ruby, because they're general purpose. Ruby is definitely the friendliest for beginners, though.

However, if you wanna learn like an oldschool CS major and also learn how to think differently (and learn to solve more obtuse problems), either Scheme Lisp (Chicken Scheme pretty common implementation choice for this) or Common Lisp (SBCL). That way you learn how programming works on a high level, and you don't lock yourself into the fallacy of one paradigm fits all use cases... But can be a somewhat higher learning curve

[rigid snow]

ruby NAHH

[olive sable]

lua

[dull egret]

Yeah, it's a perfect language for learning abstract programming from several viewpoints of paradigms, has GREAT C/C++ integration with C-Ruby API, and has saved my ass on many occasions.

It's FAR easier to integrate with the host system than something like Python. And it's hackable as fuck

[rigid snow]

dhh propaganda

[slate bear]

I will skip this one

[rough bloom]

Lua might be good as a starting language
the syntax is fairly minimal and it has a pretty good ecosystem around it, especially for games
only issue I have with it (as a first language) is the lack of arrays

[dull egret]

What is "dhh"?

[olive sable]

i said lua cuz of roblox, i have no clue how lua actually is

[patent walrus]

a guy

[slate bear]

happy birthday

[uneven pulsar]

thanks i'd start with c/c++

[olive sable]

hi vani

[rigid snow]

creator of rails

[patent walrus]

https://dhh.dk/

[olive sable]

bruh, who is this ghuy???

lemans winner

[slate bear]

Ip grabber

[olive sable]

?

[sick owl]

any update

[dull egret]

I never used Rails

I've used Hanami and straight WEBrick, though, but I rarely use Ruby for Web. Mostly administrative scripting and system API stuff

[rough bloom]

✅ he's remoting into your PC to install Omarchy as we speak

[rigid snow]

zero bloat (5gb)

[olive sable]

vani showed up the moment i typed roblox so i thought that was a banned term now

[patent walrus]

with the stuff going on with Roblox? would not be surprising

[maiden geyser]

linear thinking?

[olive sable]

ye, thats why i was sweating

[dry charm]

3d debut is just a roblox game neuro controls with wasd

[rigid snow]

vrchat m&k

[obsidian mantle]

isnt table an alright array

[rigid snow]

it works in ways

that are uhh

[obsidian mantle]

it goes off-rails when you need nested tables

[rigid snow]

not very array like

[obsidian mantle]

iirc

[patent walrus]

aren't PHP arrays and lua arrays kinda similar

[rigid snow]

in a sense, but they’re called arrays in php which is somehow more confusing

[rough bloom]

it is, I think it's generally a pretty good solution
my issues are that:

• most other languages still have normal arrays, which Lua won't expose you to
• the Lua stdlib chose to use tables with 1-based indexing

[obsidian mantle]

arrays are not that hard of concept to comprehend

i think

ooh right

[olive sable]

um. myeyboard sortcutss topped woring...
i cant open new apps now

[obsidian mantle]

1-based forgot about that

[olive sable]

i aso cant cose existing apps now

te arrow eys are aso dead

interesting

[obsidian mantle]

your keyboard might have a virus

[silent cloak]

there is a malfunction between the chair and the keyboard

[olive sable]

its not me o

[patent walrus]

PEBCAK

[silent cloak]

is that some sort of swear

[olive sable]

some eys are aso broen now mao

[patent walrus]

Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard

[olive sable]

emme restart

[silent cloak]

ill be honest i got the joke originally from ghost stories

[rigid snow]

in case you don’t understand what i mean

$an_array = array(
  "name" => "John",
  "age" => 67
);

[dry charm]

Dont get me started on php please

[silent cloak]

php is one of those languages i never got into learning

[dry charm]

Php has its own sbitty serialized object, which is a fucked up json

[obsidian mantle]

for some reason php associates with hp printers for me

i cant help it

[silent cloak]

they both suck

[dull egret]

Python promotes an idea that, there is a """right""" way to solve problems, when you should be thinking along the lines of, a solution should fit the problem at hand, and the """right""" way is the most efficient, elegant, and applicable for the particular use case

Python limits the way people structure their code, and while it provides many useful helpers (and, not denying it where due, excellent list and dict comps, from a mathematician's viewpoint), it both internally and in the community, promotes a one-mindedness approach to looking at a problem domain.

Ruby provides a comprehensive and mostly non-opinionated set of internal tools. It is highly expressive, elegant by default, and provides the ability to modify the interpreter on the fly (like a Lisp language).

Ruby is very much in line with, there's more than one way to skin a cat, and the language itself, as well as the community, promote a lateral problem-solving mindset (lateral being the opposite of linear, btw)

[dapper kernel]

the f strings are confusing

[olive sable]

im back

[rigid snow]

my favorite php feature:

$a = "b";
$b = "c";
echo $$a; // outputs "c"

[silent cloak]

is ruby used often these days?

[rigid snow]

ehhhhhhhh

[silent cloak]

besides for pentesting?

[rigid snow]

no

[silent cloak]

idk why most of the ruby ive seen in the wild is for pentesting related stuff

[rigid snow]

people unfamiliar with php how does this make you feel

[olive sable]

i have designed a part for the 3D printer. now i need to figure out how to print this while needing the part to print things

[maiden geyser]

sounds weird, maybe i'm too detached from python communities

[silent cloak]

js has some similar fuckery if i recall

[rigid snow]

globalThis?

[silent cloak]

yeah and the ability to reassign essentially anything

[rigid snow]

it very different i think

[dull egret]

Unfortunately, no.

It's mainly used for pentesting (because of how lateral and hackable it is), or Web (bc Rails)

Its biggest flaws, which drive ppl away, are association with Rails as the only thing they hear about... and that, yes, the community DOES have... very poor documentation habits, mostly...

[rigid snow]

and dhh

[silent cloak]

thats probably not the best rep then lmao

[dull egret]

It isn't, but that doesn't stop it from being a fantastic language for beginners and professionals alike

There are even compiled 2D graphics libraries for Ruby. Ruby2D, I once tested some Physics sims with some bounce and elasticity stuff with window edge reactions

[silent cloak]

how low level is it?

[rigid snow]

not at all

[dull egret]

It's not. Ruby is EXTREMELY high-level, but it provides a built-in API for writing C extensions, if you need to.

[silent cloak]

is it JIT or something?

[rigid snow]

if it is jit it’s awful jit

one of the slowest langs

[slate bear]

Blr bro

[silent cloak]

ouch

[rigid snow]

oh wait

[opaque sigil]

no incentive to improve raw perf much when you're io bound in rails

[rigid snow]

i might be confused

[slate bear]

U guys are trying to change my code 💀

In.xml 💀

Some one try to access root

[patent walrus]

[rigid snow]

no i’m not nvm

[dull egret]

It's a REPL interpreter, but can be run as scripts. It's inspired by and similar enough (internally) to Lisp, that it is often compared to Lisp languages.

It's like if C and Lisp had a kid, you could say.

@rigid snow @silent cloak

It isn't a JIT compiled language, but there are some things that allow you to compile it.

Python relies on Bytecode and C extensions for its speed

Ruby can rely on its C extensions, native OS multithreading through Ractors, and comprehensive concurrency libraries.

[opaque sigil]

oh hi vani

[rigid snow]

what’s the “default” runtime for ruby

100% it has jit

[silent cloak]

am i looking at lua levels of speed

[rigid snow]

what do you mean repl all interpreted langs have one

[rigid snow]

more like php levels of speed

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[slate bear]

Who usess ipv4 use 6 version

[opaque sigil]

discord does

[slate bear]

I open dashboard for debugging now and I see very funny type typo

[rigid snow]

i use ip 5 version

[dull egret]

Well yeah, but it's well designed for hacking the environment live.

Python offers it, but its functionality is designed to be run as scripts and called externally.

So that is where Python may sometimes run faster, BC it pushes the performance onto the Bytecode compiler

Ruby keeps both types of functionality in mind. And, in turn, promotes writing code that solves problems elegantly and efficiently, rather than relying on importing shit someone else wrote, to handle every little thing

[rigid snow]

my ipv5: 733.737.983.27.86.136

connect pls

[slate bear]

Most epic

[rigid snow]

“promotes solving problems elegantly and efficiently” sounds way too close to “the pythonic way”

which you just rightfully criticized

[slate bear]

I'm laughing bro

[rigid snow]

whatever i don’t have any opinions on ruby it’s probably a good lang many people swear by it

[dull egret]

Ok, it has JIT, NOW.

The first experimental release of a JIT built into Ruby seems to have been Christmas 2021.

My bad.

[rigid snow]

2021

are you fucking kidding

[dry charm]

Haha, I have no ipv6

[slate bear]

Who wrote api/reminder

[rare bramble]

@dull egret you are probably the most enthusiastic ruby promoter I have seen thus far

[opaque sigil]

you've seen multiple?

[rare bramble]

no..

[rigid snow]

if this was 2012 there would be 12 of us promoting ruby

[slate bear]

We have curl user :)

[stone loom]

Programmer socks

Edelweiss is typing...

[slate bear]

I'm reading all requests as possible

[mighty thorn]

She distilling on my multi-speaker long-form 1.5b vibevoice until I single-speaker short-form 0.5b vibevoice????

[slate bear]

Yo welcome back

[dull egret]

It was never known to be the fastest language out there, but it has always been one of the most elegant.

Last I checked, Python ran ~1.75x as fast.

But Ruby partially promotes better code through that fact.

It's a general purpose, abstract language, not a number cruncher language.

But it DOES have some interesting features that CAN speed it up.

The question, however, was What is the best programming language for a beginner?

I would argue the best language for a beginner is one that teaches how to use programming languages in general and how to write good code. Not a language that promotes linearity in thinking. Programming is meant to solve problems and express ideas through code.

Yes, sometimes it's gotta be fast, or fastest, but that's why I also said C or C++ are good starters (with a push to C -- because it minimises complexity of syntax, whereas C++ has syntax that can puke everywhere and become overwhelming for a beginner).

But back to Ruby, Ruby is a FANTASTIC language for beginners, because you CAN solve REAL problems, but it does NOT railroad your thinking process, and the language is VERY easy to follow.

You can take Ruby and springboard into anything else, pretty much.

But if you choose Python first, you're pretty much MOSTLY springboarded into linear domains, like data processing.

[silent cloak]

man i love when my path gets corrupted when i save and load my editor

C++ my beloathed

[mighty thorn]

[slate bear]

How is ure day going

[mighty thorn]

pretty good for the hour i wasn't here

[obsidian mantle]

actually why did they skip ipv5

is it like number 9 for brands

[dull egret]

Because it's just a generally good language, and it's also one of the best for beginners

[obsidian mantle]

or ip5 was a thing and it was so bad they just skipped it

[opaque sigil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Stream_Protocol

[slate bear]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Stream_Protocol

[opaque sigil]

that is the link i sent yes

[slate bear]

Why u removed embedded

[opaque sigil]

because i'm not a fan of having an embed that takes up 50% of the screen

[slate bear]

That valid reason

[obsidian mantle]

it says v4 was from 1980
and v5 was from 1979
and v5 is successor to v4

[silent cloak]

im debating on using boost in my project just to not have to deal with some stupid path issues

[obsidian mantle]

i guess these are dates of different things

like introduction and deployment

[opaque sigil]

no <filesystem>?

[silent cloak]

its being dog shit on windows

due to how im storing stuff in YAML i have to turn it to a string

[opaque sigil]

hmm

[silent cloak]

and if i do that and then reload the project it gets overwritten with random symbols

it really hates this on windows

im working for cross platform support so im thinking of chucking in boost to do it

the sort of lovely symbols i get:
Ő裲ʐ\x00皐褔ʐ\x0

[opaque sigil]

tf

[silent cloak]

i think something about it gets broken in memory too because it saves and loads once correctly but then the next time it saves its broken

and ive had this issue before in other projects

i might try the old fashion char[]

because it seems more efficient than trying to wrap string and wstring together or something

wait i think i may be a moron

[opaque sigil]

[mighty thorn]

yo

[silent cloak]

nvm its still fucky

[mighty thorn]

i got audio2face wall-time down by an entire 3 seconds

this is the most important moment of my career

[olive sable]

[mighty thorn]

I broke it

[obsidian mantle]

did anyone do sicp here

so i got one exercise and there is a bunch of solutions in the internet

and not only they differ from each other but even contradict within themselves

its regarding huffman algorithm

nvm i had some function inserted from different section

they keep making 50 duplicates of same function which does different things and call it the same

[olive sable]

nope

[sage crag]

embed where

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187930764873056278/1438843835315654757/neuroModeMode.gif

[tardy vortex]

Cute neuro

[olive sable]

im home

drank soju for the first time, it was alright

[violet nimbus]

a

is this good

[obsidian mantle]

with cooler

do CPUs get worse over time

[young plover]

outside of Intel 13th and 14th gen, not really

[olive sable]

i think generally no

unless you overclock them too much

or if the cooling is bad

[obsidian mantle]

so i finished this section about ordered and unordered lists in lisp
but i cant quite get when i use which

[molten ore]

epyc cpus are better imo

[olive sable]

well ye, but they're a higher price tier

[obsidian mantle]

does it depend on what i want to do with them

[molten ore]

Not really. I got one comparable to the latest 9 for similar price

[olive sable]

[molten ore]

but if you want all the cores, they it jumps up a lot

[olive sable]

its also usecase dependant

cuz for gaming the d vcache is more important

[obsidian mantle]

so for unique-key situation adding new element to the ordered list is twice as fast than for unordered
on average for random keys

searching is the same

[olive sable]

epyc is more server focused with efficiency and core counts as main focus afaik

[young plover]

unordered list?

[molten ore]

are there any games where the 3d v-cache will give you any noticeable benefits

[olive sable]

yes

let me find a source

[obsidian mantle]

is ordered just straightforward better than unordered in any situation for unique-key situation

[rare bramble]

factorio and stellaris are two massive ones, though generally the 3d vcache gives a noticeable benefit for most CPU limited games

[molten ore]

i do play a lot of factorio

[olive sable]

old chart form gn, but i cant find a recent one rn

[rare bramble]

though do consider that factorio is capped at 60 UPS, the 3d Vcache is only a factor if you have a mega factory that goes under the 60UPS, for example something found in later stages of the space exploration mod

[olive sable]

[rare bramble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcYixjMMHFk

[molten ore]

i prefer my compile speeds over slight gaming improvements

[olive sable]

ye

usecase dependant

[nocturne olive]

I'm trying to make a NeuroSynth cover exist
But I have encountered a lack of instrumental on the internet
Does anyone here know how to at least find instruments or even better make instrumentals? Finding instruments for this thingy is hard

[obsidian mantle]

im asking because someone gave me advice to use unordered map for storing transposition tables in chess, now i wonder if it wasnt a good idea
or is unordered/ordered map in cpp different from lisp ordered/unordered list concept

[olive sable]

for gaming, 3dvache is worth the extra money. for work machines it probably isnt

[rare bramble]

https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-linux/2

[molten ore]

I game on a server

[rare bramble]

phoronix has pretty good data on productivity stuff like code compilation

[olive sable]

even if you game on a server, stuff will still need to happen on the host pc

[molten ore]

had trouble finding server boards that used the ryzen chips

[nocturne olive]

Or does anyone know anyone that would know how to find instruments or something?

[olive sable]

it depends on usecase like i said

[obsidian mantle]

oh wtf thats my cpu

[nocturne olive]

Like I have 0 idea what these instruments are

[obsidian mantle]

i noticed that it looks similar

[obsidian mantle]

synth

[rare bramble]

synthesizer

[obsidian mantle]

like that piano

but with weird electric sounds

synthesizer yes

[nocturne olive]

Well that doesn't help much
I've been trying to just grab soundfonts and look inside for like an hour now

[olive sable]

9950x3d is 700 bucks, only 50 bucks more expensive than the 9950x at 650.
(very expensive )

[nocturne olive]

I've found nothing that sounds quite like it

[stray dragon]

i think you synthesize it

[nocturne olive]

That doesn't sound very helpful

[glad path]

find actual packs of them

idk

i use logic so i have enough insturments (can never find what i want tho)

[nocturne olive]

Like I have this whole entire badly separated instrumental that I want to reproduce for quality reasons

[olive sable]

its cuz they're highly customizable

you can tune what it sounds liek to the finest detail

[rare bramble]

ye, and nowadays you can make arbitrary synth sounds with software

[olive sable]

ye

[stray dragon]

the eurobeat synth yooo

[glad path]

eurobeat can get even crazier than that

[nocturne olive]

Would be useful either to get some help finding the instruments for that or just completely reproducing it

[stray dragon]

what is this song

[glad path]

also it doesnt have a mishmash of wires in that photo

[olive sable]

you cant really find the instrument on a synth. they can sound like whatever they want to sound like

[nocturne olive]

This is my Teto recreation vocal, song is Teto Teto In the Wonder Night

[olive sable]

idk how synth people do their synthing

i picked an image of google

[rare bramble]

synth people do be synthing

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Teto Teto In the Wonder Night

[stray dragon]

ty

[nocturne olive]

Already did the vocal transcript, that was at least really easy

Just looking for help on the instrumental because I really suck at it and have no idea what I'm doing

[obsidian mantle]

cant you like

substract vocal from original

(idk how music works )

[nocturne olive]

My transcript is not accurate enough

I'd need to replicate the tuning down to the pixel

Also YouTube compression says no

[obsidian mantle]

in what form do you need to find those sounds

like samples in some app

orrr idk

[nocturne olive]

Something I can use in Reaper

Or just give me an instrumental or something that isn't extracted and compressed to garbage

[obsidian mantle]

you need exact samples of separate instrumentals?

what if its continuous

[nocturne olive]

I mean for a cover instrumental it doesn't have to be 1:1 but still I want it similar

[obsidian mantle]

i listened again and it really isnt continuous

[rigid snow]

NOWAYING

chay actually convinced you

[nocturne olive]

Yes I use Reaper now
At least trying

[obsidian mantle]

probably possible to find similar eurobeat song

more popular

and get instrumentals for it

[nocturne olive]

I still did NEVER twinswap in LMMS though because Reaper hard

[obsidian mantle]

if it even has lyrics

[nocturne olive]

Any random song won't work, I need an instrumental for this song

[uneven pulsar]

You wanna make a neur song?

[nocturne olive]

Well I'm making this song Neuroified

NeuroSynth JP still needs a showcase after all

[uneven pulsar]

oh, cool

[nocturne olive]

And I really liked this song so I'm going with it

It just really lacks an instrumental

[obsidian mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-FBozmKPY this seems alright

or is it the same

[nocturne olive]

That's like, precisely the bad extraction compressed garbage instrumental I have now

I need some instrumental magician to help probably

[obsidian mantle]

do you usually find entire instrumental in good quality

[nocturne olive]

For songs where I don't have an actual magician make an instrumental yes

[young plover]

just talking out my ass, but could you

• Do what you're currently doing
• Subtract it from the original to isolate the voice
• Try to remove any leftover instrumental in the voice track
• Subtract the cleaned-up voice from the original

[nocturne olive]

Usually either a normal MP3 or even WAV

[nocturne olive]

No, that's nonsense + YouTube compression says no

[young plover]

fair-nuff

[obsidian mantle]

and this is the desired quality

yeah you probably need someone to recreate it

[nocturne olive]

That's the reference

But either way I'm gonna need to find a wizard

Anyone know where I can find instrumental wizards?

[sage crag]

kill.py

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[sage crag]

kill.py will decide who is the weakest among the osu team players so they can make space for new team players

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[sage crag]

there team member limit

[nocturne olive]

I'm gonna guess the osu team doesn't have instrumental magicians

[sage crag]

true

def predict_playcount(monthly_pc):
    if len(monthly_pc) == 0: return 0
    if len(monthly_pc) == 1: return monthly_pc[0]
    # todo: fiddle
    model = SimpleExpSmoothing(monthly_pc).fit(optimized=True)
    return model.forecast(1)[0]

def process_user(path):
    id = path[:-5]
    with open(f"users-{team_id}/{path}") as f: data = json.load(f)
    predict_pc = predict_playcount(data["monthly_playcounts"])
    # todo: fiddle
    ranking = (
        data["supporter"] * 1e8
        + math.log1p(predict_pc)
        + math.log1p(data["pp"])
    )
    return ((int(id), data["username"]), ranking)

im not a stats person so i havent settled on a reasonable model to determine a users value yet

these people are all osu supporters, which means they have a higher priority

osu supporters give you extra team slots for more members

ideally the whole team would be just supporters but there is a hard cap of 255 members

right now we are at 111 members so not even half way

[nocturne olive]

Maybe #artist-alley has some? Would that make sense?

[obsidian mantle]

no you need musician alley

we dont have that i think

[nocturne olive]

Well there is none around here

And I've seen music in #artist-alley so maybe there's some?

[obsidian mantle]

actually, how are neuro covers made?

normal covers for karaoke streams

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, probably PB rips the instrumental either with a model in UVR or by using an official source

[obsidian mantle]

does pb do it alone

[nocturne olive]

I don't even know at this point

[obsidian mantle]

its weird

[sage crag]

if anyone have ideas for good ways of determining the value of a user then im interseted

[obsidian mantle]

what criteria do you have

[sage crag]

read program

[nocturne olive]

Guess I may as well ask

[obsidian mantle]

just playtime per month?

what is playcount

if i restart map million times in one hour, do i get +million playcounts

or do i need to restart the game

playcount sounds like somehting not very optimal to use as criteria

[glad path]

that owuld mean you're restarting like 300 times per second

[obsidian mantle]

ok million a day

or thousand a day

whatever max restarts/hours are

[sage crag]

yes

pretty much

[obsidian mantle]

are there other things you can use

[sage crag]

yes, a few

like ranked score, accuracy

[obsidian mantle]

if i play 1 game a month with 100 accuracy do i get 100% accuracy during this month

so playcount alone is useless
accuracy alone is useless
ranked score can be useful if we can compare it to last month

[sage crag]

its user profile accuracy

not accuracy for the month

[obsidian mantle]

so all time

[sage crag]

heres two different types of userdata as an example

the first one is the simple userdata (fetched in bulk) and the second one is the extended userdata (fetched individually)

they are both required because they have some slightly different info in them

[obsidian mantle]

            "count_300": 210,
            "count_50": 0,
            "count_miss": 171,```

what are these

[sage crag]

https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/en/Gameplay/Judgement/osu!

[obsidian mantle]

how would it look overall

plays good > plays mid > plays bad > abuses ranking system > doesnt play at all

kind of want to put abusers in the bottom but its tricky

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

i wonder if you should kill them based on playtime past month

that makes the most sense to me

[obsidian mantle]

yeah but you can abuse playtime easily

it must be performance/playtime for example