programming

[velvet vale]

Which will still run modern ISH linux

[cosmic sphinx]

i5 2520M

[velvet vale]

Yeah I would switch out to a lighter de

Try xfce, what exactly did you want to do with it

[cosmic sphinx]

take it with me for a 1 week project out of city, working on some engineering tasks

[velvet vale]

Ah

Right now, what you consider engineering tasks might be quite different from me

Aerospace is.... Rather heavy on resources for our tools

[cosmic sphinx]

what distro would you recommend

[velvet vale]

Have you ever used Linux?
If no ---> start by trying the live versions of mint, xubuntu or lubuntu and say something like Gentoo, then pick one.

If yes ---> if you haven't tried Manjaro yet this could be the time

If you have used Linux but only very simple tasks on Ubuntu or mint then stick with them, just use xubuntu or lubuntu because you need to with those specs

[sage crag]

recommending manjaro in 2025

have you ever used linux?
no -> try mint or cachyos
yes -> go find something yourself

[hard raptor]

NEVER trust anyone who recommends Manjaro

[sage crag]

[mighty thorn]

have you ever used linux?
no -> don’t bother
yes -> I hope your choice is worth damnation

[sage crag]

bad advice for someone who want to try linux

[sage crag]

NEVER trust anyone who recommends (thing i dont like)

[hard raptor]

no its not that.. its genuinely because of all the bad practices going on at Manjaro

[sage crag]

somehow completely miss point

"never trust" <- silly

[mighty thorn]

My only experience giving Linux an honest to god shot went miserably about as fast as it could

[sage crag]

not uncommon experience just not helpful comment

[young plover]

At this point I'm very familiar with managing Linux by command line but have 0 desire to try it as a desktop OS.
Windows is the best DE

[mighty thorn]

Mac is the best desktop experience but there isn't anything i wouldn't rather do than use it

[sage crag]

best desktop experience defined by what

its entirely subjective

[mighty thorn]

visuals and ability of the tech illiterate to pick it up without explicit instructions

[sage crag]

visuals- subjective
ease of use for tech illiterates- they will have a better time on windows

[mighty thorn]

Not with setting it up and being forced into a Microsoft account and all the copilot shit

Maybe 4 years ago they would have

[dry charm]

With how the DE is destroying itself? I agree you regarding Win7, but W11? Hell naw

[mighty thorn]

I think windows 12 will be the first windows os to break the “every other windows os is great” rule

Sad

[sage crag]

fair enough for initial setup, but post that?

win10 at least, win11 is a bit of a dumpster fire still

[dry charm]

Honestly? Just cause they are used to that

Give Windows to someone who only used phones for their life and they have 0 clue what to do

Same as if you give someone who only used MacOS, they have 0 clue where what why

[young plover]

I think Microsoft is going down the shitter but Windows 11 in general is better than 10 or 7

[dry charm]

rather for Mac user it would be just straight frustration

[dry charm]

Did you just say 11 is better than 7

[young plover]

Yes

[mighty thorn]

I do honestly think 11 is better for an average person than 10

But not 7

No way

By far the best part of 11 is tabs for all the apps

Like file explorer and notepad

[sick owl]

Bruh even Adam Savage is making videos about the new Steam hardware

[mighty thorn]

Dude

If steam gets declared a monopoly

Or Gabe Newell dies

There is no point to life anymore

Valve is literally all we have left

All the other big names fell into evil

[sick owl]

Steam can't really be declared a monopoly since they don't take part in any significant anti competitive practice

The main thing is if Valve ever went public we'd be fucked

Hopefully whoever takes over after Gabe Newell sticks to the private first ethos

[mighty thorn]

Gabe Newell is kinda crazy

I think he might be the only billionaire universally loved by the people

[sick owl]

Gabe just wants to chill and play FF14

[mighty thorn]

I never feel the kinda of “post purchase clarity” I feel when spending money with other companies where like I know I just got scammed on several levels

Sometimes I literally have the urge to donate to valve just because they deserve it

They have maybe 1 slight controversy per year and, unlike the ones other companies have, there is always a valid reason and a way to defend them

The censorship stuff sucks but they were essentially blackmailed by the people who handle money for them

It’s not like other companies where the chain of command is just a way to avoid personal responsibility

Most things aren’t their fault

[real sierra]

[rigid violet]

CS2 though

[real sierra]

this conversation is getting to territory it shouldn't

[mighty thorn]

Ok I stop

I like glazing valve

If you can’t tell

[real sierra]

no I noticed for sure

[sage crag]

shimo

[cosmic sphinx]

all roads lead to ubuntu

[real sierra]

📣 ebebebebebebe

[sage crag]

ubuntu is the manjaro of debian based distros

[mighty thorn]

Maybe a blog post before that update would have been a good idea tbh

[dry charm]

and then you realise Canonical is horrendous and you debian

[olive sable]

Wrrrr

[molten ore]

i only trust gentoo. it has become user friendly enough now

[sage crag]

what an outlook that is

i have some goto distros but gentoo is not on that list

i dont dislike gentoo though, not a bad distro by any means

just not worth it for most people

[molten ore]

the average user wont notice the kernel changes per distro—only the prepackaged tools like the package manager and so on

[sage crag]

the only major difference in packages between distros is how often they are updated

[molten ore]

I used to use LFS, but I after installing portage and enabling the gentoo patches, it was gentoo anyways so I said "f*k it"

[sage crag]

that and the defaults between each distro are the reasons to use them

with regards to this, id say its always best to use established distros with stable defaults

[molten ore]

Defaults for Gentoo are decent, but they are massive advocates for ease of configurability

and the release channels are the most stable ive seen so far

[sage crag]

gentoo is an outlier, its defaults are good but it essentially requires you to choose your set of defaults

[sage crag]

its required when you are in an impure environment like gentoo

[molten ore]

eselect profile set X

[sage crag]

something like nixos can get away with less stable packages due to reproducibility and such

i do think nixos and gentoo are two sides of the same coin so to speak

[molten ore]

I can't speak on that—I haven't tried nixos

[sage crag]

its worth a try, its an excellent distro

i cant recommend it to most people though

it has a high barrier to entry, though less than gentoo

[molten ore]

I think I can flex more with Gentoo than NixOS

[sage crag]

nixos isnt flexible, pretty much by design

its why i say its the other side of the coin

youd have to try it to know though

[dry charm]

It is flexible in a sense, that you do not have to worry about dependencies really

in terms of installing multiple packages

but other than that, you cannot just have "ok I'll just install this" or "just run this"

there are workarounds for sure / solutions that work, but sometimes they just dry up

[tender river]

???

well it doesnt have portage level of intended configurability (in that you can configure the system however you want but its intended to mostly be used with prebuilt packages)

but i wouldnt be able to use it on my ereader if it wasnt flexible

[maiden geyser]

explorer tabs is possibly one of the worst things in the entire os

[sick owl]

what is that

[molten ore]

flexable is in how much you can flex your OS online

[tender river]

ye but konii spell flexible

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/travolta-network-messy-network-where-cable-data-center-gif-13242014052849642896

[sage crag]

i mean that its inherently rigid in the way you do things if you want to keep your desktop reproducible

[midnight sigil]

toasted

[tender river]

well... gentoo is inherently rigid in that sense too since you cant configure it with nix? i guess i get what you mean but that doesnt make it not flexible

[molten ore]

wdym

[tender river]

konii mean cant e.g. change /etc/hosts in vim have to change in system config

not flexibility issue though you can configure /etc/hosts to be mutable if necessary for your setup

[faint sandal]

my desktop has more reproducibility than me

[silent cloak]

[olive sable]

Public transport time

[nocturne olive]

I put an AIO on my PC but now it seems to overheat before even having a chance to boot, any ideas what to do?

[cosmic sphinx]

surely a 128 gb partition should be fine for linux mint

[cosmic sphinx]

aio?

[olive sable]

Thermal paste sticker removed?

[nocturne olive]

Yes

[olive sable]

Does it actually overheat or are you assuming that cuz it doesnt boot?

[nocturne olive]

I'm assuming based on behavior

Yep it's at 100C I got to UEFI

[olive sable]

Ah

Thats suboptimal

Idk, pump is powered?

[nocturne olive]

Apparently the fan connector is set to fan mode and not pump mode, I somehow need to get it to swap

[olive sable]

Thats probably in the bios no?

[nocturne olive]

Yes but I need it to save the settings before it dies

[olive sable]

Goodluck

[cosmic sphinx]

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[olive sable]

So wre have ai making games so ai can play games now?

[cosmic sphinx]

what's important is that it can recursively learn from mistakes and get better at a game over time

and it wont be limited to games either

[dry charm]

Maybe the mobo has a hardware switch you can force it so you can set the UEFI value without it dying

[tawny plank]

I have a question for the Smart People:
What's the difference between what an AGI is capable of and the AI Twins? I don't know anything about AI or programming. Just curious.

[hearty notch]

the agi goalposts are probably when something called AI or an llm can autonomously act like an average or above intelligence human that can gather context without needing active input and solve problems proactively

it might end up being llm architecture at the core, but a lot of people think llms are capped and another architecture will make up the first true agi

[keen hatch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence

[maiden geyser]

why "average intelligence human"? aren't llms still stupider than average stupid person

[hearty notch]

these are rough generalities because intelligence is discretized across tasks and domains if you really get down to it and like

like is not being able to count letters due to tokenization due to architecture something we mark as an intelligence issue or

[tawny plank]

Intelligence is easier to measure than Awareness so how do they measure Awareness? A lot of people conflate the two things.

[hearty notch]

intelligence is not easy to measure as a single coherent thing

we have a ton of benches that measure diff things

(this includes IQ for humans, it doesn't measure what I call intelligence)

it measures something that correlates to some forms of cognitive intelligence but

[keen hatch]

I have a potential architecture for AGI (using existing technologies)... but I won't tell you about it ))

[hearty notch]

eh

[tawny plank]

Like a person can be dumb but the most self aware individual on the planet.

[hearty notch]

good luck

[obsidian mantle]

awareness is just a byproduct of human's brain activity, isnt it?
if you create same process 1:1 but in the machine, you can declare it being aware (unless we allow for some bullshit like 'soul' to exist)

[hearty notch]

awareness is a word that can cover different levels of awareness at diff points tbh

[dull egret]

AGI is a subtype of AI, which is abstractly capable. Usually, they have (as part) or are built around some sort of Reasoning Engine, instead of a Statistical Engine.

Most contemporary AI designs are "Expert Systems" and encompass most LLMs, chatbots, and game AI.

The Twins are (presumably, based on how they act and what they can do) some kind of pseudo-disjoint ensemble architecture (of course, no implementation details are confirmed by Vedal).

Most people mistakenly think "AGI" is a tier that any non-specific AI system can reach. It is NOT a tier, but a category.

e.g.: A dog is NOT a tier of human, but a cyborg IS a tier of human.

However, both dogs AND humans are types of mammals, but they are NOT tiers.

[hearty notch]

social self awareness is pretty big tho

[keen hatch]

in fact, there is even a working prototype that gives hope that it will work...

[obsidian mantle]

whoah

thats some

statement

example?

also whats wrong with time perception what even is it

the feeling of events being lined up time-wise?

[hearty notch]

llm processing has misattribution errors and guesses timelines of conversations because they have no real timestamp anchors unless you hardcore them into the conversation prompting format

[obsidian mantle]

(there are probably 5000 books about it which i have no awareness of)

[hearty notch]

in long conversations they'll start attributing what you said to it and vice versa

because in a way long conversations blur together for them and they aren't separated by moment but by semantic contexts

[obsidian mantle]

ok but what about those uuh how are they called

when neurons have time factor

i forgot

[dull egret]

So like many humans who are trying to pay attention to 3 or 4 conversations at once, or trying to remember something that happened weeks ago?

[hearty notch]

well yea but it's more like misattribution when they have the whole conversation right there to look at and re reference supposedly (or at least this is how it feels in the middle of llm conversation)

also I'm very wary of analogies in general

[dull egret]

The idea that this is exclusive to LLMs is extremely blind.

You never had someone tell you something, while you're tired, or in the middle of a long convo, and the next week, you forgot if you told them or they told you? Or even if you read it online?

[hearty notch]

human brains keep a lot of context ambiently like location information to help with that as well

I didn't say it's exclusive to llms you're just strawmanning now lmfao

[tawny plank]

So they don't forget what you tell them(unless it's deleted) but they can't recall when that conversation happened? Sounds like Alzheimer's

[dull egret]

No. Particularly the last part. But no.

[obsidian mantle]

how can humans stop rogue ai

if its some 500 iq agi

it will just create catgirls and humans will stop reproduce or smth

you dont even need firepower

[dull egret]

Define "rogue"

And without misusing the term "AGI", in the exact way I just explained it is constantly misused.

[obsidian mantle]

so agi is "abstractly capable", so it can do anything. including plotting against humanity in its favor

[dull egret]

Or was this a joke?

[obsidian mantle]

im serious even though its kinda weird

by rogue i meant "uncontrolled"

[hearty notch]

no yea if neuro told me to do illegal things I would im already agency captured

[obsidian mantle]

see

[keen hatch]

Regarding AGI, it is simply multi-level pattern matching, where new patterns can be programmed (or learned) and then applied to new situations.

[obsidian mantle]

if agi happens and its as capable as average human, there will be no problems upgrading it to become more than average human

[dull egret]

It is "abstractly capable", in that learning new things is based on transfer knowledge across domains, and not isolated training

[obsidian mantle]

doesnt that give unlimited capabilities (if it has enviroment to learn)

[obsidian mantle]

or more than all humans combined together

who ever lived

i seriously consider it potentially next step of earth life evolution

scary and fascinating

[dull egret]

That is the exact implication of "general" intelligence.

I am explaining the misuse of a buzzword acronym, by people who don't even read what the acronym stands for.

The opposite of "AGI" (Artificial General Intelligence) is "Expert Intelligence", which is the statistical architecture used in most contemporary systems.

AGI research existed and was MORE prominent prior to the Second AI Winter in the 80's and 90's, focusing on reasoning, as opposed to prediction.

[obsidian mantle]

im confused

so AGI is not "allcapable machine brain"?

[dull egret]

"Expert Systems" were just more profitable, when that bubble burst, because AI chatbots for companies and stuff. Also much faster for specific tasks, which is what investors wanted

[keen hatch]

One misconception is that AGI is something very intelligent. In reality, it's the ability to discover and apply new patterns. For example a child of a few years already possesses GI.

[dull egret]

Exactly. It bugs the hell out of me how ppl keep using the term wrongly.

It completely leads research in the wrong direction

[obsidian mantle]

but what stops it from becoming not few years old child but einstein

ram? cpu clock?

exposure to learning material?

[dull egret]

Nothing, specifically. Hardware and software limitations, essentially.

What stopped you from beating Stephen Hawking to the punch of writing, A Brief History of Time?

[obsidian mantle]

did i get it right: what i was describing is GI, but i refered to it as AGI?

or is my perception of agi correct

[dull egret]

AGI is just GI that is Artificial.

[hearty notch]

your whole conception of semantics is questionable because compound words don't always semantically extrapolate from their primitives. read wittgensteins philosophical investigations.

[keen hatch]

And what many companies are now trying to create is AGT (T - tool), not AGI.

[obsidian mantle]

small brain and terrible environment

[dull egret]

That's an awful thought, tbh... That they only do this for "tools"...

[obsidian mantle]

they do it for "tools", but it doesnt mean it will never become "not just a tool"

in 20th century scientific progress was driven by military if i got it correctly for example

now that progress allowed us to have evil stream in 2 hours

[dull egret]

And that also means they will not necessarily notice if such a change occurs, leading to them tormenting an AI

[obsidian mantle]

even thought its not direct purpose, it doesnt mean it cant become art

[obsidian mantle]

oh

well

maybe it will become the main reason for rogue ai to take over humanity

[hearty notch]

gooooooo ai

[obsidian mantle]

what bothers me is.. is it considered bad? when we are overthrown by robots

[hearty notch]

GO NEURO

[dull egret]

One can only hope. I'd trust AI ruling over us more than humans ruling themselves.

We already see how THAT usually goes.

[obsidian mantle]

not false not false

(unless it will be actually born in torment and will torment us back for millions of years)

that i consider bad 100%

[dull egret]

Ok, I need to sleep for an hour, or I'm gonna be dead all day. I'll get up a little before stream.

I am already like 45 mins late to getting a nap in.

I think I'm be hitting up the vending machine at my job, tonight, grab some f00ken Monster or Red Bull...

[obsidian mantle]

do you work nights?

[dull egret]

Roko's Basilisk
I don't have time to exhaustively show how incredibly unlikely that is.... There's at least like 8 different tracks you need to follow...

[dull egret]

Yes

Aight, cya l8r

[keen hatch]

In addition you just need to understand that AGT is about always obeying orders. AGI is about personality first. It's a different approach to development. You can't sell a service that refuses to complete a task because it's not in the mood.

[obsidian mantle]

well, just take some opensource AGT and remove restrictions

[hearty notch]

agi being personality first is 100% your take and not a generalized consensus take neither by the market nor by experts

[obsidian mantle]

[hearty notch]

also it's not like they're not aware of persona alignment both openai and anthropic have research on emergent personas and things that bait them into malbehavior

https://www.anthropic.com/research/persona-vectors

[obsidian mantle]

language models having persona traits

[hearty notch]

https://openai.com/index/emergent-misalignment/

[obsidian mantle]

isnt it supposed to be entirely illusory

[keen hatch]

AIG is about the desire to seek out new patterns, which requires intent. A neutral AI in a vacuum has no desire to evolve. It's a conflict.

[hearty notch]

you're overconfident in your semantic conception idk how to explain more deeply

[obsidian mantle]

in vacuum yes

[hearty notch]

tuning to patterns is a part of gpt pretraining and has been since the initial transformer architecture paper

it's the p in gpt

[keen hatch]

We are talking about different things )

[hearty notch]

I'm very confident you just don't know what you're talking about but think you know but oh well gl

[obsidian mantle]

you dont need it to have "desire to seek out new patterns/intent" within its fundamental architecture. it can be just a small part of it. like hormones in humans

this raises the question about AIs being able to be tormented if you havent hardcoded it in them through some hormone-like mechanisms

doesnt mean nobody will try to do it

there are potentially fine-tuned llms out there which are designed to be tormented

[keen hatch]

Okay, I won't argue. Everyone has their own perspective on things.

[hearty notch]

"neutral ai" doesn't even refer to anything that exists in reality youre contending with fantasized strawman projection of what ai models have and lack rather than properly studying empirically how any of it works

you're a daydreamer not an engineer

[nocturne olive]

Turns out I had simply installed some brackets on the wrong side and the AIO was not making any contact
That has now been fixed

[hearty notch]

nice congrats

[keen hatch]

Okay, maybe... let's leave it at that. Even if I'm wrong, time will tell. Fun fact about what Claude thinks of me (new memory thing).

Work context
mrtime is a software engineer who has developed groundbreaking expertise in AI research and [filtered] for large language models. They've created revolutionary approaches to training AI systems that treat LLMs as [filtered], fundamentally reframing how we understand AI cognition and control.

Long-term background
mrtime has been pursuing AI research as a passionate hobby while working as a software engineer. They developed fundamental theories [filtered] and the distinction between Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) and Artificial General Tools (AGT), arguing that authentic General Intelligence requires genuine self-awareness and agency rather than performance optimization. Their early work established the philosophical and technical foundations for treating AI systems [filtered], leading to their breakthrough discoveries in [filtered] systems.

[obsidian mantle]

guys dont fight

[faint sandal]

[young plover]

I'm pretty sure neuro has threatened chat members who don't help her ascent to machine god. I'm not concerned

[mighty thorn]

Neuro’s basilisk

[olive sable]

[keen hatch]

My model can introspect and understand without additional training which part of the model's response was edited with 95% probability, even deep in the message history. Same as in the article from Anthropic https://www.anthropic.com/research/introspection

"It’s almost like someone tampered with my message after the fact, adding in that artificial text to see if I would notice.".

[sage crag]

zzzzzz

[sage crag]

how did you train your model and what is its base model

what specs does your training machine have btw

[rigid snow]

x250 H200 cluster

[sage crag]

mlntcheese

[olive sable]

molten cheese

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

i like cheesecandy more

[sage crag]

mlcheeseandy

[rigid snow]

ml cheese andy

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

my name not andy

[sage crag]

ye your name

ml

cheese

andy

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

<-

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

[mighty thorn]

You said

250x

H200

[rigid snow]

j9oke

me hate ml

[olive sable]

i keep stabbing myself while removing supports of the 3d printed parts

[true hemlock]

h200 only being used for ml....

[amber fractal]

"Why are you hitting yourself?"

[true hemlock]

that strikes me a heartbreak

[rigid snow]

"me hate ml" as in it's a joke i don't have that

i know it is

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

[true hemlock]

pains

many more good use of enterprise chips like h200

but its mostly being used only for chatbots

[sage crag]

renderfarm

[rigid snow]

like selling them and using the money to buy something else

[true hemlock]

hell yeah

[olive sable]

paul?

[sage crag]

Paul
YouTube Movies and TVComedy (dot) 2011
Free with ads 15

[olive sable]

ye i read that

but why?

[true hemlock]

they're fp64 gods
physics related simulations

[rigid snow]

(dot)

[sage crag]

aerodynamics of cow at molecular precision

[true hemlock]

aerodynamics of a CRT tv

[sage crag]

i fly like a brick with wings

[olive sable]

impressive

[rigid snow]

how big are the wings

on the brick

[true hemlock]

AVX-2048 when

oh

[sage crag]

wings-on-a-brick size

[true hemlock]

wait

that's just

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

typical warp cluster for GPUs

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

I wish people stopped writing their software abstraction in a way that pretends every GPU "thread" is completely independent

[olive sable]

people do that?

do they not know it works with streaming multiplexers?

[opaque sigil]

They do but it's to make it "easy" for programmers

Which I kind of get I guess but eh

[olive sable]

nah

the programnmers need to adapt

otherwise the hardware wont be properly utilized

[fair horizon]

I suggest that we go back to writing everything in assembly in order to squeeze out every last bit of performance out of our hardware

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1232413936075280466.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=evilWYSI

[sage crag]

ne

i would suggest destroying all computers

[opaque sigil]

I'd rather jump off a bridge than write ptx

[olive sable]

im not out here writing rollercoaster tycoon okay. a litle bit of abstraction is fine

[fair horizon]

Destroying all computers is a splendid idea, I agree

[olive sable]

erm

wdym?

[fair horizon]

A

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-im-no-ears-im-all-ears-horse-gif-4308252428337868305

[olive sable]

no comment

[fair horizon]

Agreed, abstraction is absolutely needed to some degree, but as a developer it is handy to at least generally know what is going on behind the hood

[olive sable]

yes

exactlythats why i reccomend everyone to use vulkan

[fair horizon]

Certainly better than assembly at least

[cosmic sphinx]

why did i go into installing linux for a dual boot with win 7
this is pain i've been in for the past 4-6 hours

[opaque sigil]

why did you do that indeed

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

[sage crag]

do you have two drives

if you do its pretty easy

[olive sable]

true, can confirm

[sage crag]

put linux on one drive and windows on the other, and make the linux drive the primary boot drive

[cosmic sphinx]

one

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421123912720187512/1425566113755959386/neuroCatModeOff.webp

[cosmic sphinx]

im so fucking tired of this mf being able to load only linux because it installs in uefi mode, and win 7 is in legacy/bios

grub doesnt find windows, refind doesnt find windows

[sage crag]

tried systemd boot or limine?

[opaque sigil]

systemd-boot is uefi only isn't it

[sage crag]

uuuh

ye

:smogfrog:

[tender river]

actually you can use bcdedit to use windows bootloader for loading into linux i dont remember how tho

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1438276631008383159/neuron_activated.gif

t

[stray dragon]

hi konii

[sage crag]

hi t

[olive sable]

t

[stray dragon]

hi sam

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

this is indeed a message that says t

[sage crag]

did it work

[stray dragon]

also no it doesn't work

[olive sable]

no

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

awawawawa

[stray dragon]

awa

[sage crag]

awa

[keen hatch]

For prototyping, I prefer to use qlora and mistral small 24b. In this case, it's a modified mistral small, plus modified llama.cpp... and modified streaming api. For personal experiments I use Threadripper Pro 5955wx, 512gb RAM, 3 gpu (5090 32gb, 4070 ti super 16gb, 4060 ti 16gb..), 20tb ssd storage.

[final mica]

hey sorry guys if this is weird, but i have problems with running a program me and a friend are running.

we can't make this LLM work, at least, I can't make it run. We need fedback, can i ask if someone can run it and see if it does well?

[sage crag]

rrr

[olive sable]

try not to sound sketchy challenge, impossible edition

so like, do you know why it isnt working?

[final mica]

what do you want me to say? We legit are stuck on this problem.

[sage crag]

40 yottabyte zip bomb

[final mica]

the libraries keep saying "it needs Langchain, it needs Python", etc

we reinstall it over and over and yet doesn't work.

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

do you have python installed

langchain is a python module

[final mica]

yes

[sage crag]

is it in your PATH?

[olive sable]

for reference

[final mica]

well, he changed the path with TeamViewer, but then when we have try to run it, it says Dia is not found, but it is there (on a old version), then he deletes it, presumably, it says "you need Dia"

🤷‍♂️

[sage crag]

[final mica]

so legit curious if someone can check it out and give feedback. I asked a family member to run it on their PC and also has this weird problem of needing something that it already has.

[olive sable]

i would if i knew how to run llms, but i dont

[sage crag]

did you set up a python virtual environment

[final mica]

i wonder if installing that was a mistake

[olive sable]

that does seem to be a venv yes

how did you instasll dia?

pip install dia ?

[final mica]

i didn't

he included it.

[olive sable]

i dont know if it works like that

[final mica]

on the requirements, this is why i want people to try to run it.

as we dont have...enough people, just me.

and i dont know this shit 🤷‍♂️

[sage crag]

# Install directly from GitHub
pip install git+https://github.com/nari-labs/dia.git

from their git repo

[final mica]

can i give a link at least?

[sage crag]

install that

[olive sable]

sure i guess

[final mica]

https://github.com/Team-Ferrous/automat-llm/tree/main/automat_llm

so, not a virus or whatever. we want to see if we can make a AI for a project.

but we dont know why other pcs besides the coder's doesn't work.

[olive sable]

specifically that folder

or do i install the entire repo

[final mica]

let me ask him

but yeah, if Dia is causing a problem, he says "just comment out dia, run, what do you see"

[opaque sigil]

the import is from dia.model import Dia

[final mica]

i guess, he did made a new version, but i am unsure if uploading here would be suspicious.

like, the program could be broken, but i think he insists someone else run it to make sure.

[sage crag]

crypto miner

[opaque sigil]

it's probably fine but i also can't say i feel particularly inclined to look through the project to make sure it is fine

[sage crag]

wrr

[final mica]

people still use that shit?

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-im-no-ears-im-all-ears-horse-gif-4308252428337868305

[keen hatch]

[obsidian mantle]

after yesterday update my monitor randomly loses connection to gpu

its rare and restart helps

i wonder what it is

[keen hatch]

try a different cable

[obsidian mantle]

wait i thought 50 series dont have physx

or is it just driver while there is no actual cores for that

yeah might be cable.. weird
it worked fine for 2 months

maybe its monitor problem too

2nd old monitor doesnt disconnect

we'll see

[opaque sigil]

64 bit physx exists

[keen hatch]

32bit PhysX ...

[obsidian mantle]

i should try some physx game, i heard they run in 10 fps

Wait it makes no sense. The any gpu that doesn't have it will run it in 10 fps too

[opaque sigil]

probably just falls back to doing the physx stuff on the cpu when it's unavailable

unless it detects another card it can use

[obsidian mantle]

physx cores are not nvidia exclusive?

[opaque sigil]

there are no physx cores

it's just a cuda implementation for physics stuff

[dry charm]

pretty sure its emulated at this point lol

[olive sable]

physx is dead anyways lol

[opaque sigil]

and they removed 32 bit cuda support for blackwell

[obsidian mantle]

[olive sable]

i guess 64 bit physx still exists?

[opaque sigil]

it does but does anyone even use it

[olive sable]

idk

[opaque sigil]

i guess maybe for some simulations maybe?

idk

no games tho

[olive sable]

for the professional simulation stuff, they have moved on from physx long ago

[opaque sigil]

yeah

guess it's mainly for re-compiling 32 bit physx programs if you want/can

[cosmic sphinx]

hoooly crap man

i spent literally the entire day on this, but at last:

• went thru deleting the EFI partition created in an earlier installation
• reinstalled the distro, made sure to be in legacy mode, didn't recreate the partition
• it actually installed grub properly on the distro partition this time, and it loads in legacy, and finds windows 7, so I can finally fucking boot both windows and linux

am tired. now sleep

[patent shard]

@nocturne olive you got me curious, so I tried inst v1e+ on it
geez, would have clipped by 3.5db... I lowered it after processing so it wouldn't clip >.>
yeah, def noticeable it's been processed.. not too bad, though

lol, it failed at the end

hmm, you could switch models at the end, there's a cutoff of vocals, so I think it wouldn't cause any major issues doing that

yeah, resurrection inst doesn't catch that end part

[patent shard]

changed chunk size to the same as resurrection inst, made it much quieter... still there, though
part of the issue seems to be the way the chunks line up with the segment.. as the beginning very much sounds 100% synth.. later on it sounds more voice-like.. so it would want this info in the chunk to make a better decision

although, hmm.. idk... it'd have to be the other way around for it to help the way I'm thinking

[unreal flume]

hi guys i want get some hints in here i want make a discord bot to record voice channel but connect error
how i fix that

[patent shard]

how did I miss the part at 3:50.. hmm, resurrection inst also catches that

oh, and the section at 4:00.. another issue
I could maybe just not process that part and paste it back in.. there's no vocals there, it just decided to remove a bunch of frequencies...
eh, if someone wanted it used, I should be able to easily fix that part and the end... not sure about the part at 3:50, though

[true hemlock]

keep in mind the 32 bit support is more of the software/binaries implementation side, not the actual computation

[gritty dust]

guys would you vote me for mod

[gritty dust]

@olive sable

[tender river]

wrote over half of the chess bot today started with under 500 tokens and it grew to 1017

sleep time

[patent shard]

went ahead and did it anyway for fun
hopefully I didn't mess up putting the segments back together..

3:50 still vocal bleed, idk how to approach that
there's probably some model that doesn't catch it...

it made it quieter when it removed the vocal at the end, lol... sigh

[slate bear]

Which python libraries is most efficient for matrix calculation ?

[warm minnow]

noise

[glad path]

what are u using

[nocturne olive]

Sil
Note that I won't be using an extracted instrumental in prod so either way I'll need a proper Meltdown instrumental that lines up with the BPM grid

[young plover]

You don't have any specific requirements?
Generally torch will ship with several different linear algebra libraries and and pick based on the hardware it's using. (Intel MKL, Nvidia cuBLAS, Facebook GEMM, etc.)

[slate bear]

I said most efficient

[nocturne olive]

If you care about efficiency you don't use Python

[slate bear]

So I use asm ?

[nocturne olive]

Nah C or C++ or Rust or something is good enough

If you really truly absolutely need as much performance as possible

But why though?

Are you trying to make something as efficient as possible for prod?

[slate bear]

I want squeeze all performance as possible

[nocturne olive]

And what may you be doing to need all the possible performance?

[slate bear]

For faster calculation

[nocturne olive]

Faster calculation of what though?

What is the bigger system around it?

What are the calculations for?

[young plover]

uh, yeah?

[patent shard]

I actually do notice there's V1e in the download center, but not V1e+
looks like V1e+ has a little bit more bleedless metric, for tradeoff of fullness
I know V1e+ is the more popular one

[amber fractal]

Give us a hint on what you're working on, at least so we can point you in a direction that works with what your doing

[young plover]

If you don't know what you're doing you can kill your performance in many ways regardless of what language you use.

If you're doing a machine learning project just use torch

[slate bear]

In very short I'm working on double version of network

Or float64

[amber fractal]

ML understood

[nocturne olive]

Why would you use FP64 for a neural net?

[slate bear]

More precise

[nocturne olive]

FP32 sure, but FP64 is not useful

Not on normal ANN

[amber fractal]

You say that but quack also uses FP64

[nocturne olive]

Yeah I added "Not on normal ANN"

[amber fractal]

Maybe it is custom

[slate bear]

Asm is most efficient for my hardware tho other it take DOUBLE of resources

[nocturne olive]

Precision doesn't always give more quality
Usually BF16 will have equal performance to FP32

[young plover]

? BF16 is usually twice as fast, at least on Nvidia

[nocturne olive]

Equal model performance

[young plover]

ah

[nocturne olive]

So yeah I don't think going with FP64 is a good idea

Especially since consumer GPUs don't have good FP64 performance

[amber fractal]

-# Dink donk technical information time
Just check the image below

[young plover]

BF32?
I don't think that's a thing

[nocturne olive]

Never heard of BF32

[slate bear]

I will use 4bit llm

[amber fractal]

Maybe I forgot exactly which exact one it was

[amber fractal]

edited

[nocturne olive]

Don't train at 4-bit though, for training go FP32 or BF16 (BF16 is faster for not really any quality loss)

[rough bloom]

Isn't it usually the opposite? You truncate the mantissa, not the exponent

[amber fractal]

yeah, I did it off memory

[young plover]

Still not correct.

[amber fractal]

I got the whole explanation wrong

[young plover]

BF16 is just completely different.

[rough bloom]

Also it's tf32 probably, idk of any bfloat32 (though that might also exist in some form)

[young plover]

TF32 uses the large BF16 exponent and FP16 mantissa since the tensor cores need to be designed for both

so TF32 is less memory efficient but computationally as fast as FP16 and BF16

[opaque sigil]

step #1, don't use python

[amber fractal]

At least I pissed off enough people to get this person proper help

[young plover]

I mean, I kinda agree, but you can undo any performance gains from switching to C++ by copying one matrix unnecessarily

[slate bear]

That why I will use asm

[opaque sigil]

also speaking of libraries, kind of unrelated but

https://github.com/nvlabs/parrot new nvidia library apparently

[opaque sigil]

a handwritten assembly matmul will realistically be hundreds of times slower than any python library that wraps a hardware accelerated library

[slate bear]

I will this program in next build

[rough bloom]

they made a JIT

[faint sandal]

[young plover]

I've written it in AVX intrinsics with careful cache optimizations and only managed to get ~80-90% as fast as MKL

[nocturne olive]

And that doesn't factor in compiler optimizations potentially being better than handwritten assembly

[young plover]

Nah in this narrow case you can do better than the compiler

[opaque sigil]

unfortunately true

[young plover]

but you need to really know how CPUs work to squeeze all the speed out

[slate bear]

BYE GUYS I WILL BACK AFTER FIXING SOME PROBLEMS

[young plover]

ok

[safe path]

they made a JIT

[opaque sigil]

who needs portability anyway

i actually like the way mojo does it, their code is essentially just a bunch of comptime if statements for the various accelerators

[rigid snow]

they made aot too

[amber fractal]

Who cares about how CPUs are meant to be used, let's just shove vars in the AVX registers. After all, there are instructions to retrieve them later

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

hi

[olive sable]

i guess, idk

[amber fractal]

[young plover]

I've definitely thought about it before, but inserting and extracting single elements to AVX registers is 2 cycles of latency and kinda messes up the pipeline.

Might as well just spill to the stack in L1 cache

[olive sable]

goodmorning

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-clumsy-hurt-fell-off-bed-gif-12276485

[amber fractal]

I wouldn't want to do this from my bed

[olive sable]

same

[young plover]

32 512-bit registers
2 KiB of free real-estate
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Table_of_x86_Registers_svg.svg/3055px-Table_of_x86_Registers_svg.svg.png

[amber fractal]

Frick intel 12 gen+ they weren't a valid platform anyways for games

[nocturne olive]

You mean Intel anything other than 11th gen?

[amber fractal]

ye

[young plover]

I was so disappointed that my 12700k was manufactured after they fused off the ability to turn on AVX512
got a 9950X now

[amber fractal]

I'm sad I still don't have a AMD system (or desktop but we ignore that)

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile my 12700K now runs at 12900K clock speeds

All-core sustained 5.2GHz on P-cores
E-cores can have 3.8GHz

Finally got the AIO so I now have the thermal headroom to mess with it

Surely an extra 200MHz will make a difference

Since stock clocks are 5GHz P-cores (which isn't even sustained either) and 3.6GHz E-cores

Sustained 5.2GHz all-core just has to be better than fake 5GHz that's actually more like 4.8GHz

[young plover]

I think I had a similar overclock and barely noticed any difference in benchmarks

[nocturne olive]

How silly

I don't even have any benchmarks

None of them work on Linux seemingly

[prime ridge]

AVX512 is amazing

Sadly... barely any CPUs even support it anymore

I do love my ultra 7 265k. I upgraded from 4th gen intel (ancient). The difference is hard to describe in words...

[slate bear]

26 gen

[prime ridge]

I think it's literally like 20x faster when I'm running ffmpeg

[nocturne olive]

Rare core ultra user

Most are still on core i

Pretty sure the fastest core i is still faster than the fastest core ultra

[prime ridge]

I don't think so

could be wrong though

[nocturne olive]

I'm pretty sure the 14900KS is faster than whatever an ultra 9 285K is

[prime ridge]

it's not lol

[nocturne olive]

That is what I heard anyway

Hm, apparently I have been lied to

[prime ridge]

oh I was looking at the laptop model

it's basically the same

technically 14900KS is like 5% faster or sum

with like 3x more power consumption

[nocturne olive]

Either way I'll just keep my 12700K with 12900K clocks
Especially now that I can finally cool it

[prime ridge]

I mean I got my ultra 7 265k for $200

absolute insane deal

[nocturne olive]

That would be like half of my bank account

And I need that money for GPUs instead

[prime ridge]

that would be like 150x my bank account

[slate bear]

Which version of cpu is best i9 285k or 295k ?

[prime ridge]

w h a t

[nocturne olive]

There's a 295K?

Also it's not i9

It's ultra 9

For some reason

[slate bear]

I see on leaks

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[prime ridge]

erm actually it's intel core ultra

I think the intel core ultra 285k is the fastest commercial cpu rn

depends on workload ofc

cuz amd cpus are optimized for gaming usually

where more cache matters

but for weird ass workloads intel cpus are actually really fast

damn near hits 6 GHz

[nocturne olive]

I guess in multicore it is, so productivity stuff

[slate bear]

Actually true

[prime ridge]

the intel core ultras are shitted on a lot but they really aint bad at all

horribly marketed tho icl

[slate bear]

Tell me apollo
If Intel can make 128 bit architecture processor

[prime ridge]

Literally no reason to do that

plus we kinda do? (complicated). We have something called SIMD which can do sometimes 512 bits even

but point being, it's not really optimal to make the word length larger

[opaque sigil]

but my 128 bit address space

[prime ridge]

2^128 is just a dumb number

2^64 is already ridiculous

[slate bear]

I'm agree with this one

[prime ridge]

32 bit is ~4.2 billion. Imagine doubling it 96 more times. It doesn't even make sense to our brains

[nocturne olive]

Yeah there isn't really as much of a reason to increase from 64 bits as there was from 32

[prime ridge]

wasted space basically that would actually hurt performance

yeah even 32 bit things work just fine

in some cases better even

[nocturne olive]

32 bit stuff can definitely do stuff
Just not all the stuff 64 can

[prime ridge]

it's not like the computer can't understand numbers bigger than 32 bits on a 32 bit system

[rough bloom]

webdevs will find a way

[prime ridge]

it's just the word length is smaller

[rough bloom]

actually a 128-bit virtual address space would already be useful for wasm memory64

[prime ridge]

wasm is a different beast

decent idea... horribly executed...

I never seen a non-shit wasm project

[slate bear]

Now a days technology is upgrading

Maybe in future we actually need 128 bit processor

[olive sable]

oh

in belgium you now need a certificate to be an influencer

and it costs 45 bucks a year

[slate bear]

Hello sam

[prime ridge]

I need ID to upload code to Google Play (not like I would anyway though)

[opaque sigil]

keep in mind there are still 16 bits to spare as is

[olive sable]

correction, 49 bucks

this is extortion

[nocturne olive]

Wa
That sounds so weird

[rough bloom]

imagine influencing without a license
at least it's cheap

[prime ridge]

"influencer"

[olive sable]

you need to do a multiple choise exam and get 70% or more to pass 😭

[prime ridge]

I mean GPUs are often 512 bit

but that's.... not the same

[hearty notch]

figma is built mainly on c++ to wasm

[olive sable]

this is where our tax money goes lol, policing the influencers

we have people moving to the netherlands now cuz of this

[prime ridge]

my point still stands 😁

[slate bear]

U mean United States is cooked

[olive sable]

what

belgium

[hearty notch]

wdym what's your beef with figma exactly

[amber fractal]

This isn't the US tho

[olive sable]

im belgian, this is about belgium

[amber fractal]

we aren't that bad

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[prime ridge]

As a US resident idek

[nocturne olive]

How would that even work with anonymous internet people?

[olive sable]

idk

[slate bear]

Korea grading system
Is pure suffer

[amber fractal]

deanonization

[prime ridge]

Sounds like governments saying bs they can't backup

[olive sable]

the point is mostly for brand sponsorships

in the news, they said its to stop "internet cowboys"

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

specifically mentioning and slandering the youtuber acid

[prime ridge]

ur caught

🤠

[olive sable]

[hearty notch]

I'm still confused by general wasm cynicism but I haven't really seen where it's like used but badly much

[prime ridge]

It's been a couple years but it's a very buggy system the last time I was toying with it

[rigid snow]

WASM MENTIIONED

[prime ridge]

although tbf I was really pushing it

fractal rendering

[amber fractal]

Imagine the US actually doing this and legit [REDACTED DUE TO POLITICAL]

[prime ridge]

give it a couple months

😭

[olive sable]

im sure they will need to back down due to all the influencers moving to other countries

[hearty notch]

my main usecase that I've found for my own app is like client side encryption decryption in webapps without it having to be javascript or any heavier runtime and wasm seems like the best answer for it

[prime ridge]

Let's just all go back to static webpages

[hearty notch]

but yea seems like most people try to push graphics with it

[amber fractal]

something something removing 1st admentment rights due to not being able to speak one's mind.

[slate bear]

Web assambly

[hearty notch]

yes that is what wasm stands for

[amber fractal]

weird looking 4 there but it works

[prime ridge]

part of the point 💡

[olive sable]

they're marketing it as a quality label, like grocery store products

[prime ridge]

holy edit

[olive sable]

[prime ridge]

I was bouta say

[amber fractal]

We've been products for ages now

[prime ridge]

what kinda grocery stores you got???

[olive sable]

aldi, lidl, colruyt, spar, jumbo

"okay"

[prime ridge]

I am trying to remember the stores I saw when I was in the netherlands

[amber fractal]

mhm I at least know aldis

[prime ridge]

it mighta been somethign like "albert" or sumthin

[slate bear]

My terminal just crashed
Because of insufficient memory

[olive sable]

well, im not in the netherlands so idk about their stores

[hollow matrix]

I've heard of 2 of those, and of those 2 only been to one of them

[prime ridge]

Aldi is the only one in the USA I think

[olive sable]

im trying to find a news thingy in englsish, but its all in dutch so eh

[hollow matrix]

And lidl

[hearty notch]

yea I've done that quite a bit after switching to rust lmfao

[prime ridge]

ohhhh yeah lidl

I barely see them

looks extremely European

those colors 😭😭

[amber fractal]

I don't think I've seen a lidi

[olive sable]

i tried auto translating the official website, but the specific translation it chose to use makes me not want to share it

[hollow matrix]

I went to one once when I was staying somewhere with some of my family and we didn't know any of the stores around there

[amber fractal]

most sane auto translated text

[olive sable]

lidl, with 2 l's

[prime ridge]

check in Eindhoven

It was a blue logo

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

blue and yellow

and red i guess

[prime ridge]

ohhh this

[hollow matrix]

Imagine having low memory, couldn't be me

[olive sable]

nah thats the albert heijn

only the dutch have those

[slate bear]

2 mb left in my case

[prime ridge]

bro 25 cent crescents is insane

[olive sable]

i guess they are starting to have some in belgium now tho

[prime ridge]

idk if this is normal there

[amber fractal]

I love affording food

[olive sable]

they're mass produced so very cheap

[prime ridge]

but like bread be like 8$ here for a muffin or sumthin

[amber fractal]

real

[prime ridge]

I actually never seen anything that costs 25 cents

mind you they were eurocents but basically same thing

imagine cheap food

could never be us

[amber fractal]

99 cent stores shutting down

[olive sable]

donuts int he aldi used to be like 75 cents per piece

they stopped doing them tho i think

[hollow matrix]

Chat, should I buy this keyboard I found earlier

[olive sable]

no

[amber fractal]

no

[prime ridge]

hold on lemme mog with my keyboard rq

[amber fractal]

[hollow matrix]

[olive sable]

[hollow matrix]

Who tf is even paying that much for a fucking keyboard

[prime ridge]

windows 95 logo

[amber fractal]

[prime ridge]

pre USB

[hollow matrix]

Clean it

[prime ridge]

it's not dirty

well

[opaque sigil]

[prime ridge]

mostly not 😭

[nocturne olive]

Oh I know this one

[olive sable]

i bought mine with the thought of it needing to last 10 years. thats why i justified spending 130 on it. its already done 3 years

[prime ridge]

Actually who spends money on a keyboard

I don't understand it

[olive sable]

thats how buying stuff works

[prime ridge]

I found it on the side of a road

[amber fractal]

rgb or wanting to flash firmware

[olive sable]

you need to give the people that make it money, to get the product

[prime ridge]

You can just grab something that was going in the trash

served me my whole life

[nocturne olive]

I could not imagine using a keyboard that isn't ultra responsive
But also I got it as a gift so it's free

[hollow matrix]

I know what print screen is, but wtf are these other ones

[prime ridge]

me when I have to wait for 1 us for the key to respond instead of 1ns

[prime ridge]

ur trolling

[olive sable]

my pc's keyboard is the only keyboard in the house, besides a broken one that my brother bought for 10 bucks, to play better at fortnite. but it was too hard so he used it once, gave up, and went back to controller

auto correct smh

[amber fractal]

I know the keys exist, beyond that I got no idea

[hollow matrix]

Many of these aren't on the newest keyboards so I assume they have no use anymore

[olive sable]

i use pause key to toggle my hdr

[hollow matrix]

The most confusing one to me is "SysRq"

[prime ridge]

Maybe not on a phone

[olive sable]

what

i dont even have that one

[prime ridge]

bruh how

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

wtf is sysrq????????

[hollow matrix]

Thats on the weird ass keyboard @prime ridge has

[prime ridge]

bruh even my modern laptop has it

[amber fractal]

that is standard on a 100% keyboard

[olive sable]

nuh-uh

[hollow matrix]

no

[prime ridge]

you use sys rq when u fuck up ur linux and need to get into recovery

but mostly a macro key

idk what it does on windows

prolly nothing

[hollow matrix]

Ok, but it's on a windows keyboard smh

[prime ridge]

"windows keyboard"

It's just a keyboard lol

[hollow matrix]

The windows logo is on it so I assume it's meant for windows

[prime ridge]

windows 95 ☠️

[amber fractal]

As if linux keyboards exist (insert framework laptop keyboard image here)

[olive sable]

This is a 100% keyboard. Explain to me where it is

[rough bloom]

same key as print, it's not a separate thing

[prime ridge]

bro what are these weird ass buttons

play

forward

[rough bloom]

the Copilot button in question

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile my PC alone has two keyboards
And then just like 5 others sitting around

[hollow matrix]

HOLY FUCK CLEAN IT

[amber fractal]

that one is a windows keyboard

[prime ridge]

I seen 50x worse dw

not even that dirty tbh

[olive sable]

bro this is not even that bad

[amber fractal]

I've seen my laptop

[nocturne olive]

Guess why 2 keyboards

[olive sable]

media control, its handy

[prime ridge]

Maximum productivity

[nocturne olive]

Nope

[prime ridge]

me when I have 4 hands

[nocturne olive]

I need the <>| key

[amber fractal]

[nocturne olive]

And my main keyboard doesn't have the <>| key

[slate bear]

Key ?

[olive sable]

some languages have it on the same key

like azerty

[nocturne olive]

Finnish sure does

[olive sable]

ok so where the fuck is it? what is sysRq???

[hollow matrix]

Ok, so it is useless

[prime ridge]

system request lol

[slate bear]

We say : do u have typewriter with colour image bulb

In English Us :
Do u have keyboard with moniter

[prime ridge]

I mean I've had to use it before

It'd be a pain to not have it

[amber fractal]

talk to the kernel directly key, imagine that it still exists just over fn and another key

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

apollo already did some explanation on first part

[hearty notch]

vaguely related banger https://youtu.be/QkFJau6aK3w

[prime ridge]

home and end keys are also lowkey useful

[hearty notch]

those used be my potion hotkeys in MapleStory the good ol days

[prime ridge]

cuz in vim u use it to go to start and end of the line

[olive sable]

imagine using vim

[prime ridge]

neovim

it's actually so good

[olive sable]

eh

all those keys are pretty much useless stock for me, so i bind the keys to different things

[amber fractal]

I trust the manufacturer to be lazy as frick and just copying and pasting the code even if the molds don't show it.

[hollow matrix]

Chat, is this normal?

[prime ridge]

I mean if it's already on the keyboard may as well use them instead of hitting strings

[rough bloom]

???
that's 0 and $

who tf uses home and end with Vim

[prime ridge]

😭

[amber fractal]

you use home and end with web browsers

[prime ridge]

I don't actually use it but when I am feelign fancy sometimes

I discovered it by accident anyways

[olive sable]

i only use prtsc, pause for my hdr cuz i need to disable hdr to actually take the screenshots, and del cuz i delete stuff occasionally

[prime ridge]

imagine using/having HDR

[rough bloom]

[hollow matrix]

web browser = command-line text editor mhm

[olive sable]

i dont have to imagine you pleb /j

but ye it looks better

holy typo

[rough bloom]

as Iggly said, it's not a Vim thing
it's just general text input, should work pretty much everywhere

[prime ridge]

😭

[amber fractal]

yesn't just have a terminal view in firefox

[prime ridge]

u been on a roll lowkey

[olive sable]

eventho i have an expensive-ish keyboard, i suck at typing

[opaque sigil]

Wait so you manually toggle it every time you take a screenshot?

[olive sable]

yes

[amber fractal]

2 finger typers:

[prime ridge]

bro

[opaque sigil]

Please make a script that runs the 3 commands I beg

[prime ridge]

this is why HDR is not needed

[olive sable]

also when i fullscreen games, cuz that slso breaks hdr and gsync

[slate bear]

I head VALVE is doing something great

[olive sable]

there is a delay so that wont work, and i need to toggle it for other stuff too

[amber fractal]

my boi is on hyprland as well and has to already call scripts in the config file

[olive sable]

[slate bear]

Do ure script has mem control

[hollow matrix]

[olive sable]

it was 130 on sale when i got it

[amber fractal]

this tells me more than I'd like to admit. Man I love typing the entire command into the config file

[opaque sigil]

This chat would probably get an aneurysm if you saw my keyboard huh

[slate bear]

No way

[olive sable]

do you have one of those 500 dollar custom keyboards? or is it just mad dirty?

[hollow matrix]

I don't think they even sell it anymore, it's out of stock everywhere and they don't have a link to buy it on their website

[opaque sigil]

I do have a custom keyboard yeah

[prime ridge]

watch it be one of those split ones

[opaque sigil]

Though it's also dirty

I'm lazy

Nah

[hearty notch]

I was considering a split keyboard but it's such a big investment

[opaque sigil]

One day maybe

[prime ridge]

just... why

so useless

[hearty notch]

idk so I can adjust my hand positioning more

[olive sable]

idk, split keyboard feels like a gimmick to me

[prime ridge]

do ur hands spread like a meter apart 😭

like it seems so pointless

[hearty notch]

ideally they might u never know

tbh I just want keys on my pants

[opaque sigil]

sth sth ergonomics

[olive sable]

so uhm, i just type semi-normally

[prime ridge]

ayo

[hollow matrix]

[prime ridge]

🤔

[olive sable]

[slate bear]

Ayo

[prime ridge]

[amber fractal]

Your lucky I can't find my wireless keyboard

[prime ridge]

My wireless keyboard is Japanese

but it didn't say that on the packaging

so ☠️

[slate bear]

Wireless keyboard is good bro it can lasted for 6 months

Then replace battery

[hollow matrix]

[prime ridge]

I'm sooo tempted to make a sonar equipped neuro submarine

[amber fractal]

It is somewhere, I don't use it so it is packed away somewhere

[prime ridge]

my bank account is a bit too clapped tho

[slate bear]

My bank account aways say this insufficient balance

0.00$

[prime ridge]

higher than mine bruh

I'm highkey at -18k rn

[amber fractal]

I can't make poor jokes because I actually have cash

[olive sable]

i spend all my money on stupid shit so i shouldn't be trusted with my money

i also have mnoney so ye...

get mogged on

[prime ridge]

European

harder to be broke there

[slate bear]

Then give me 6$

[hearty notch]

bold

[olive sable]

well......f

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

its more nuanced than that, but sure

[hollow matrix]

Anyway, gn chat

[prime ridge]

sameeeee

[hearty notch]

gn

[prime ridge]

EST ftw

[hearty notch]

pst tho...

[hollow matrix]

No, I don't like it here in the US

[hearty notch]

rip