programming

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

and there was also

centos

[fast pagoda]

Centos stream is like a few patches ahead of rhel

[tender river]

which was rhel but without official redhat support but with all the same packages

(not to be confused with centos stream)

[opaque sigil]

wasn't centos already ancient compared to fedora

[tender river]

centos same as rhel

[fast pagoda]

Alma here definitely pulled a few things out of centos controlled repos

When I was installing it

[silent cloak]

tbh i just use whatever i need in the moment

to me the difference is just what comes pre installed

[tender river]

then centos got discontinued and redhat switched their patches to some model that made it really hard (but possible) to make rhel forks

ibm

almalinux and rocky linux were created to bridge the gap

and continue what centos was

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

That's the only real difference every time you distrohop is what the defaults are at the end of the day you could go ahead and start w/ ubuntu and somehow hacksaw the thing to end up working like void if you wanted to feel nothing but fury for a long time

[olive sable]

i have nothing to hide, ignore all the stuff i crossed out with red marker, those totaly werent sideloaded

[silent cloak]

thats why i think its kind of pointless to really debate about them and bother with them

unless one has some special features that cant just be apt'd

[fast pagoda]

What's the one that has like every package manager available

[tender river]

for servers whats important is not just what you have immediately but whether it will break or require interventions in the future

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-kali-linux-arch-linux-arch-girl-gif-24642405

[fast pagoda]

Well yeah of course but I was speaking more to a general thing

Desktop use

Inb4 nix

[tender river]

you mean bedrock?

[silent cloak]

for server the less is there the better for me

[fast pagoda]

I think it is bedrock yeah

[silent cloak]

headless

though tbh for my home server i just run proxmox

[fast pagoda]

I heard bedrock was having some issues

[olive sable]

if she's not impressed, then she just wasn't the right girl 💯
in all seriousness i wouldnt care either lmao

[fast pagoda]

Beyond the normal ones you might expect from what it is

[tender river]

server -> nixos
desktop -> nixos
laptop -> nixos
router -> nixos
phone -> nixos
ereader -> nixos

hope this helps you pick the best option

[silent cloak]

given the stereotypes

[olive sable]

wow

calm down

[silent cloak]

buy an ad

[amber fractal]

[silent cloak]

[tender river]

naa nixos bad distro

just better than other ones

[safe path]

[olive sable]

hi vanor

[safe path]

the best os is no os

just manipulate electricity directly

[olive sable]

operating system? wdym? im operating the system

[fast pagoda]

holy phone is lagging so bad

[amber fractal]

discord moment

[fast pagoda]

anyways itll probably send again but i was running proxmox at one point

gpu passthrough (nvidia) is a pain and so is the way it exposes storage imo

so i delete it

[silent cloak]

REALREAL

[fast pagoda]

swapped to umbrelOS but then it didnt do storage (although it literally just got an update so it DOES manage storage now like last week)

[olive sable]

gpu passthrough has always sucked in every laptop i tried it

[silent cloak]

i hate having to do that everytime the stupid kernel updates

[amber fractal]

gpu passthrough on laptop is a special form of torture

[fast pagoda]

right now i am testing zimaOS (which is just CasaOS but they got rid of the distro between casa and hardware made it the entire system)

[silent cloak]

na with proxmox u need to deal with alot of shit everytime the kernel updates

[fast pagoda]

and also cosmos cloud

testing that too

[amber fractal]

who said I used proxmox in the past for it

[fast pagoda]

they all do about the same time

thing*

[silent cloak]

i need to work on my arrsuite more soon

[fast pagoda]

jjust make it eazier to run headless and install stuff on the fly/manage it without having to become a wizard

[silent cloak]

im thinking of dropping plex for jellyfin

or just running both

[fast pagoda]

i set up gitlab and then immediately accidentally nuked that drive

so im in a rut of motivation rn

[silent cloak]

i might do something like that in the future but rn im running on a budget for a little bit

[amber fractal]

my honest reaction when I took my rift and laptop running headless to play VR, only to need to SSH in over thunderbolt to start the windows VM. (we love NixOS host system and not bothering to set up autostart for that one)

I was on a trip at the time so no easy debugging for me

[silent cloak]

i need to use my index more often

[fast pagoda]

my quest 3 was purchased

i used it once

put it down for like a year

recently ive been trying to use it more

that coinciding with both my own movement to linux exclusively AND steam deciding now was the time to redo steamVR on linux has made it quite a journey

luckily it works well in independent mode

[amber fractal]

steamVR on linux

[glass flower]

how bad is it really? im scared to use my oculus

[fast pagoda]

they are or were basically rewriting a lot of it recently and it was bad

[amber fractal]

very important question, rift or not

[glass flower]

oculus rift CV1

[old grail]

hey what are the generations of pc's called again like their modules

so like the GPU

(i forgot)

[fast pagoda]

wym

[amber fractal]

[old grail]

so like

the average is the 4th generation

[glass flower]

don't say that

[old grail]

but the highest gen and newest is 5

but i forgot the word that goes with it

[fast pagoda]

PCIe?

the interface

[old grail]

basically generations of computer parts

no

it was (xx)4

smthin like that

[opaque sigil]

ddr4?

[old grail]

yeah

DDR4

[fast pagoda]

that's ram

dram

[old grail]

i used to have DDR3 pc

[fast pagoda]

the computer that's running almalinux rn in the living room is rocking 32gb of ddr3 right now

[old grail]

😭

like a year ago or less

MY INTERNET DIED AGAIN FFS-

ok internet's back

(downloading a 19 gb game sure does wonders huh)

[fast pagoda]

it's basically instant for me these days

[old grail]

my DDR3 pc used to take 5 minutes to even turn on

because it's disk was at 0% for years

[amber fractal]

You know oculus only supports windows natively and you need to pipe in SteamVR if you use that right

[fast pagoda]

i do not miss the days of using HDDs and HDDs only

[old grail]

HDDs are good for storage right

not computing and stuff

that's SSD's

[fast pagoda]

bulk storage yes that doesnt need to be constantly accessed

[glass flower]

obviously i know that... but also i only switched to linux like 1 month ago. and had my vr headset since like release of the oculus cv1

[fast pagoda]

theyll still work depending on what it is

[fast pagoda]

i'd wait till they finish this round of releases with the new headset and stuff, pretty sure that is why they were rewriting steamVR for linux

ideally once they finish with that it'll actually work reliably

[silent cloak]

love HDDs for bulk storage

for their price

[fast pagoda]

yep, price/gb still cant beat it

[glass flower]

well.. i'm gonna buy the steam frame... i doubt i'll have issues with that

[fast pagoda]

except during that one hard drive shortage a few years back when taiwan got earthquaked

[silent cloak]

i trust the steam frame but ill still wait for reviews first

[silent cloak]

i cant wait for the future when we can just replace everything with SSDs or NVMEs

[fast pagoda]

i wish the cost matrix of SATA3 SSDs and nvme wasnt like

the same

[amber fractal]

this is the windows side, on linux you get the fun time of using a very dated software that I swear does not have a decent guide anywhere including compiling a fork from source. (or they actually managed to port to something more modern)

[fast pagoda]

because the issue is the nand anyways

i would have so many cheap ngff drives

[glass flower]

thats what makes it fun

[silent cloak]

i never have enough storage

[fast pagoda]

same

[amber fractal]

I have not attempted to install the boi yet, just because of lack of any useful steps to take. So good luck

[glass flower]

i basically just want a working vr version so i can run my current headset and get back into VR until i buy the steamframe somewhere next year

[fast pagoda]

i spent several days trying to get my quest3 working in steamVR recently and it did NOT ever work out

but again i think that's the ongoing changes more than anything

https://github.com/alvr-org/ALVR and its forks can help depending

someone here mentioned having luck with i think it's called wyvrn - fork of this

[amber fractal]

wireless is there, afunyun switch to wivrn I swear to frick. Wired is there on steamvr,

CV1 is just

[olive sable]

terrible, but decent if you can tinker a bit

[glass flower]

i mean... i was able to run my headset on windows without the oculus app.. tho not sure what software i used for that. it was basically a mimick of the original oculus app. but without oculus and just a thin wrapper

[olive sable]

base station tracking with the rift on linux is a bit shakey

[fast pagoda]

alvr

does that on windows

[glass flower]

well.. i got a year to figure it out and make the best version..

[amber fractal]

hi sam, the only person who has tried this before

[olive sable]

[glass flower]

thats not what i used.

[olive sable]

the oculus app doesnt exist on linux

you have to use open source shit

[glass flower]

i know...

[fast pagoda]

maybe you were just using the meta quest rebrand of the app

meta quest link or whatever

[glass flower]

again... oculus cv1

[olive sable]

ye that

still doesnt exist

[amber fractal]

my bother, for the quest the steps are wivrn-dashboard copy args into steam apps and it just works

[glass flower]

it doesn't do wireless. its the first headset. it has no onboard stuff. i can't use alvr for it

[olive sable]

you need to use monado + steamvr-openhmd

[fast pagoda]

yeah at the time i had not heard of wivrn yet

[fast pagoda]

alvr does wired too (probably still busted)

[glass flower]

[fast pagoda]

wivrn apparently isn't an issue tho

and monado does exist

[olive sable]

ye we know, you still need the meta quest app on windows to run it

even if it is wired

[glass flower]

well. i used it without the meta quest app. due to the mentioned thin wrapper app i found

[olive sable]

its dogshit but it works, see the video above for the user experience

[glass flower]

it would just launch into steamvr instantly and no oculus dashboard

[fast pagoda]

alvr does it but apparently it wasnt what you used so you probably just used one of the oculus bypasses

[amber fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26367573

[olive sable]

i haven't used whatever wrapper you're talking about

[glass flower]

[amber fractal]

Windows

[fast pagoda]

windows is just a fancy rust wrapper

[olive sable]

weren't we talking about linux?

[amber fractal]

Past experience was on windows some oculus app drop in replacement to boot into steamvr

[glass flower]

https://gitlab.com/TacoCake/oculus-rift-openhmd-steamvr/-/blob/main/README.md i found this guide. i will follow it next time i want to play vr.. maybe tomorrow

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/BnuuySolutions/OculusKiller somewthing like this maybe

bnuuy

[glass flower]

that looks about right

something like that or even exactly that one

[amber fractal]

I'd recommend you not do it on a day you want to play because you ain't finishing

[fast pagoda]

actual fax no printer

[olive sable]

yep

that surer is the case

[glass flower]

telling me im bad...

smh

[olive sable]

it took me like 2 days to set it up

[fast pagoda]

on this blessed day

we are all bad

[olive sable]

huh

i used monado + openhmd, but it appears this is something else?

[fast pagoda]

because initiating the process of getting vr working in linux automatically starts you in the "rough" spot

[amber fractal]

gnome

[fast pagoda]

that guide agrees

(KDE ✅, Gnome is Untested ) and X11 ( KDE ✅, Gnome is Untested )

i want to like gnome due to its widespread use i feel like im missing something

but it's like unusable

without 30021490184091829038109 plugins

[amber fractal]

functional desktop and bar

[olive sable]

i need to use monado purely for the base stations outside in tracking

so i wonder what that uses

[fast pagoda]

just the fact that gnome tweaks exists and has existed for ages, continues to exist without most of that stuff being easily configurable from within the gui

[amber fractal]

I can't wait to try out cosmic tho

[fast pagoda]

just automatically means gnome is rough

[fast pagoda]

i was running the alpha and the beta for a while on my laptop

i like it

it's the first DE outside of kde that i don't really feel like it's missing a lot

[olive sable]

i chose arch hyprland and im probably never gonna switch now

[fast pagoda]

well you can use cosmic in cachy

in fact the first time i used cosmic was on cachy

[glass flower]

i'll see... tho since the guide i linked has been updated early this year. i would assume it still works. so i'll likely test that especially since you said you have weird tracking issues

[olive sable]

i got used to hyprlkand, and i odnt want to change for no reason

[olive sable]

ye

[fast pagoda]

yeah i mean it's your env i was just saying you do have the ability to swap on archibald

[olive sable]

its mainly calibration issues

cuz there are 2 trackign stations, and each one think you're in a slightly different position

so it makes you switch inbetween

[fast pagoda]

i like QTile a lot, wonder how wayland is going with them now, last i checked it was in a rough spot

[glass flower]

seems like OpenHMD will require me to downgrade my nvidia drivers... so i guess i'll try your method first

[olive sable]

uhm

[fast pagoda]

i also really like openbox

but x11

[olive sable]

im also using openhmd, but i didn't need to downgrade my drivers

[amber fractal]

I'd probably put cosmic on not my main two, probs on the laptop I use for forwarding touch inputs

[glass flower]

https://github.com/OpenHMD/OpenHMD/issues/340#issuecomment-1193042375

[fast pagoda]

that's from 22

theyre talking about 5.x kernels in there

[glass flower]

there are newer comments saying the same thing

from 2024

[fast pagoda]

that's just cv1 rift

[olive sable]

im pretty sure the new kernels shoudlnt have issues

[glass flower]

yeah... my headset

[olive sable]

it works fine for me

well

so uh

i do need a very specific way of starting it up

[fast pagoda]

the amount of comments isn't enormous so i cant imagine it affects EVERYONE

[glass flower]

how many do you think still use a CV1

[fast pagoda]

also the cv1 is so old brah

[glass flower]

having 2 comments is already a ton

i know... thats why im gonna buy the steam frame

[fast pagoda]

it's old enough that i'd start considering it to be sorta a form of like

[olive sable]

first i need to start monado manually, then i can start steamvr with openhmd.
if i dont start monado first im in the floor (cuz no tracking) or i get grey screen

[amber fractal]

The issue existing already is a ton

[fast pagoda]

old arcade hardware or something

[amber fractal]

bash script when

[fast pagoda]

like a hey guys why the tf can't i launch STEAMVR on my virtualboy???

slightly better than that

[glass flower]

wtf. just because its held together by ducttape and is falling apart?

[fast pagoda]

lol it's hyperbole

[olive sable]

your cv1 is falling apart?

[glass flower]

and one of the earphones doesn't work anymore

[fast pagoda]

it's just old enough to the point that stuff starts becoming straight up ignored when it comes to support

[glass flower]

because one of the cable is cut

[olive sable]

mine is in almost new condition lol

[glass flower]

its a walking mess...

the headstrap is held together by ducttape because the sides broke off at the headset end

[amber fractal]

I just removed my earphones, though I could use a new face shield as it is still stock

[fast pagoda]

nicest used cv1 on sale at a con be like

[olive sable]

big tech want you to think its too old to work. but if you can just program it to work, then it works.

[fast pagoda]

i mean at the end of the day it's a display

a funky one

and an input device

so it SHOULD be operable

im just saying it's old enough that like

especially for OSS

nobody is getting paid to care

so they arent gonna care

[olive sable]

my almost new condition cv1 was only 100 bucks, idk what conventions you go to

[amber fractal]

I'd be tempted to get a bigscreen, but yeah insane price

need to prove I could sleep in VRC to make it worth it first

[fast pagoda]

well you also can buy GPUs for semi reasonable prices much more frequently than i'm used to

[olive sable]

fair enough

[fast pagoda]

so you have to remember, over here we're living in some form of fever dream where economics are all out of wack

[amber fractal]

Father, what where the RAM prices like?

[glass flower]

[fast pagoda]

agony

i think this is more now

[fast pagoda]

furiosa's cv1

[glass flower]

it still works tho..

[fast pagoda]

hey if it works it works

[glass flower]

i need to be careful putting it on...

but other than that its fine

[fast pagoda]

put headset on

vaporizes around your head

dont breathe that

[olive sable]

ram is also that expensive here rn apaprently. specifically that set at least, i didnt google any others

[fast pagoda]

well

this is the same store

the listing on line now says

i could get it tomorrow for no fee how generous

[amber fractal]

ditto here

[olive sable]

ive been debating getting a better vr headset, but for the amount of money new headset go to, and the actual difference in specs, its really not worth it. especially with me playing vr once every 2 months at most

[fast pagoda]

the screen upgrades might be surprising

i know you will talk about oled rn

but

the resolution and stuff probably goes a bit further than it might seem

[amber fractal]

hear me out

[olive sable]

the screendoor effect on the cv1 is almost not noticable. a lot better than the vive

i know higher res is better

but it doesnt even bother me that much on the rift

[fast pagoda]

that and higher refresh and better FOV etc

[olive sable]

90hz is fine since vrc can barely do 60

[glass flower]

i just hope for a reasonable price for the steam frame...

[olive sable]

110 degrees fov is the same as the steam frame thing too

[fast pagoda]

vr chat doesnt exactly demand performance anyways in the activities performed

[amber fractal]

it is $100 cheaper as long as you can support quad channel

[amber fractal]

is that computer or physical?

[fast pagoda]

i was going to say i guess it uh

depends

[fast pagoda]

idk, i noticed it, although to be fair my time w/ the older headsets is very limited

[olive sable]

it was doing 45fps on public lobbies. having the display itslef higher hz would only help latency

[amber fractal]

non pro is 6400mhz at $665USD

[fast pagoda]

i mean i noticed the display in general

sorry it does look like i was talking about the refresh there

[olive sable]

hmm

[fast pagoda]

but yeah like the quest3 has 2x the resolution per eye as a cv1

[olive sable]

i think im jsut not that bothered about it compared to other people

ofcourse higher res, higher hz, lower weight will make it more immersive. but im fine with the rift cv1 specs

[amber fractal]

I could play vrc in

[fast pagoda]

i found the passthrough to be significantly more of a QOL feature than i expected

[amber fractal]

that is called not putting on my glasses

[olive sable]

you mean having the pc render it?

[fast pagoda]

the quest3 does it on its own

[glass flower]

you can see your room through the headset

[fast pagoda]

yep

toggleable

ofc

[amber fractal]

AR mode is surprisingly useful when I want to grab a drink from the fridge

[fast pagoda]

yeah i really thought it would be useless but there is a large amount of headset coming off and back on that doesnt happen because of it

and you can see when people approach/animals etc

[amber fractal]

I legit just don't take off the headset despite it not being in color

[fast pagoda]

mine is in colour

why is yours not lmao

[amber fractal]

quest 2 moment

[fast pagoda]

ah

[olive sable]

oh

i think i jsut dont care about seeing my own room

its cool if it has it

but not a feature i activly seek out

[fast pagoda]

wasnt for me but it was more of a boon than i thought it'd be

[amber fractal]

You'd also prefer wired

[glass flower]

i do catch myself looking at my room a fair bit especially since its dark and i can get a idea of where i am so i don't punch my monitor

[fast pagoda]

my cat has been saved more than once

sneaking up on me

[glass flower]

i don't have a cat...

[amber fractal]

https://www.crucial.com/memory/ddr5/ct2k64g64c52cu5

@fast pagoda

[fast pagoda]

i'm so sorry and hope you remedy this situation posthaste

[glass flower]

[fast pagoda]

vivaldi moment, i think whatever was on here got filtered

[amber fractal]

nope me too

[fast pagoda]

maybe they are trying to erase it from existence

[amber fractal]

DDR5 ram, 128gb

[fast pagoda]

time to put out all new model numbers so price tracking breaks

[amber fractal]

desktop page

[fast pagoda]

i saw some SUUUUUPPEERRR DEFINITELY LEGIT ebay listings for the crucial 64gb sodimm 6400 kit and for the 32gb module that the kit has 2 of, but alone

that had them at like

regular msrp

but no ebay reviews

i almost went ahead and bought one just to see

[amber fractal]

we love improving from 5600mhz to 6400mhz by removing the pro label (and probably ecc)

[fast pagoda]

craigslist rebuild

she's been redone but we lost the receipts

i would NOT want to be needing ECC right about now

have you seen those prices

my lord

[amber fractal]

you are not catching me with ECC in this economy

[opaque sigil]

[amber fractal]

@olive sable mandatory suffering ping

[olive sable]

hell nah

suffer on your own

actually dont

i need you alive

[amber fractal]

words

[fast pagoda]

im actually very peeved that right now if i see like 64gb of ram and it's less than $300 i go "wow great price"

[olive sable]

surely you specifically mean ddr5?

[fast pagoda]

yes

[olive sable]

does soddim count?

[amber fractal]

Yes (no)

somehow they are immune

[fast pagoda]

i am personally shopping for sodimms at this time because the ram i need is for my mini

they are not immunie

[olive sable]

64gb 4800 for 180 bucks

[fast pagoda]

4800

i mean i'd take it over no ram at this time dont get me wrong

[olive sable]

i see

[amber fractal]

ddr5 you divide by 2 for ddr4 speed

[olive sable]

well, 64gb 5600 for 254

thats 2x32

a single 64 is 270

[amber fractal]

LLMs for making this expensive

[fast pagoda]

love that some of these are unironically marked as being a price drop

[amber fractal]

drop for your wallet

[olive sable]

not expensive, but half of these are "tijdelijk niet op voorraad" (currently unavailable)

[fast pagoda]

not available will show like

last price

so it's old

but also even that is horrible if you consider like

a few months ago

[olive sable]

ok sure, but only half are unavailable

the other ones are acurate

[amber fractal]

aint no way the 139 still exists

[fast pagoda]

if that exists

buy it now

and flip it

[amber fractal]

to the chatters here

[olive sable]

its mislabeled bwaa

[fast pagoda]

classic

[amber fractal]

classic

[olive sable]

the cheaper 64gb one is white

others are black

[fast pagoda]

single sodimm crucial 5600 64gig has actually fallen from the max it hit a lil bit ago but in the US it was $131 in may this year

and it's now $372

[olive sable]

damn

[fast pagoda]

i keep having to reframe it myself

because i will see like 250 for 64gb

and im now used to thinking that's a good price

that's a terrible price

it's just the others are even worse

[fast pagoda]

and even that is a super rare listing now, for 64gb off ddr5 in the 5600+ speeds seems to be a minimum of about 300 on official listings and that's the cheapest dogwater ram

[amber fractal]

it is just funny to blame them

[fast pagoda]

i have an amogus to draw on this

[amber fractal]

I am simply not buying computers during this time frame, everything sucks

[fast pagoda]

it's like every time something starts getting reasoonably priced

it's like phew thank god gpus suck but i dont need one of those i just wanna build a nice nas or w/e

go to buy ram and storage

ope that quadrupled

get rekt

[amber fractal]

I should buy cpu now

[olive sable]

this is not even worth it then imo. i would jsut get ddr4 4000 or whatever instead

do new cpus still suppoort ddr4?

[fast pagoda]

no

so if you're on new platform, it's over

[olive sable]

there was a time they did both ddr4 and 5

[fast pagoda]

i dont think so

[opaque sigil]

12th gen intel did but that's it

[olive sable]

oh

bwaa

[fast pagoda]

it would not be physically possible for a normal ddr5 socket to accept ddr4, so they must've just had the option of configuring what type of slots or something? that's weird

[opaque sigil]

yeah idk what kinda voodoo magic they did

i think it was just that cpu itself supported different motherboards

[fast pagoda]

yeah that has to be it

like you could get a diff chipset that was still using ddr4 but the cpu could be used in either that or a chipset w/ ddr5

looking through some threads rn and

this was a couple years ago

they didn't know

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/me-watching-my-past-self-interstellar-meme-watching-past-gif-25439819

[opaque sigil]

surely by the time zen 6 rolls around it'll be back to normal

[fast pagoda]

i keep seeing like

2027

[olive sable]

surely the ai bubble will pop soon

[fast pagoda]

they dont have excess capacity and it seems like essentially all capacity in 2026 is already bought &

[olive sable]

ill have to prepare for ddr6 to be 1000$ for 64gb, and the 8090 will be 15K$

[fast pagoda]

and itll take a long time to get more production going cuz they didnt invest in it because it kept walking them into dram prices falling after they invested a bunch

[opaque sigil]

hbm4 i assume?

[amber fractal]

Not worth, has to be used in a dell system

[olive sable]

is dell that bad?

[fast pagoda]

hbm4 aka we doubled hbm3e width, which doubled performance,

[opaque sigil]

crazy how that works right

[fast pagoda]

i couldn't have predicted it in a million years

[opaque sigil]

i'm so sad, i wanted to add a nice abstraction to my multi-gpu cuckoo filter but after just adding a single function of indirection the lookup is twice as slow

zero cost abstraction my ass

[fast pagoda]

zero cost

mentally

for them to implement

[amber fractal]

the issue is that your locked in a MB with 1 PCIe x16 slot

[olive sable]

what

cuz of the mobo?

[fast pagoda]

the eternal problem of all those $50 aliexpress lga2011 boards

[amber fractal]

ye

[opaque sigil]

oh that's a 12 core threadripper

meh

[fast pagoda]

the threads

there''s some of em

[amber fractal]

yeah it is meh

[olive sable]

12 core?

[fast pagoda]

peep my threadripper epycc

[opaque sigil]

i'm pretty sure you can get a 5900x for that much at this point or less, same chip basically

[olive sable]

how is 12 core even cosidered ripping threads?

[fast pagoda]

i didnt mind my 5900x but i feel that it was slightly disappointing for what i expected

[opaque sigil]

i like how 61.7W makes it go bright red

[fast pagoda]

idk why, i think it was a lot to like one thread or something

it's not that red at over 70 rn

this air cooler puts in work though

[opaque sigil]

now that i think about it

[olive sable]

epic

[opaque sigil]

mine doesn't even show power usage

hmm

[fast pagoda]

it'll hold it around 70c when it's holding 5.3-5.5

ghz

[olive sable]

honestly i dont know at what point the power usage goes red

i set it to "use however much you want"

precision boost overdrive 4 or whatever

[fast pagoda]

me giving my shitty gpu 70watts more than it defaults its powerlimit to

[opaque sigil]

seems right to me

[fast pagoda]

yeah no i think you might want to evacuate

the planet

[olive sable]

i had issues wiuth my power usage readings for cpu beofre

[fast pagoda]

i havent seen hwinfo in a minute

[olive sable]

i ended up replacing the program responsible for reading cpu stats with another

[fast pagoda]

btop doesnt always have it available depending on the system

i thought it was an option but maybe it was in like bpytop but not in btop++

[fast pagoda]

because i didnt find a toggle for it

[opaque sigil]

found it

[fast pagoda]

oh

well ill be

i guess im just blind and couldnt find it lmao

[opaque sigil]

i had to sudo for it to show up

[fast pagoda]

weird

[opaque sigil]

guess they don't do the thingy in nixpkgs

[olive sable]

i have it in my waybar

[fast pagoda]

i wonder how it looks when i inevitably need to recompile llama.cpp-cuda for 10 mins again

as i always do because it updates every 3 seconds

[opaque sigil]

is this a client or server side warning

getting kind of annoying

[fast pagoda]

both?

[opaque sigil]

can i turn it off (client side)

[tender river]

seems to be client side

[fast pagoda]

time to uninstall it

and become a dropbear guy

[keen hatch]

I need to recompile ik_llama and see if they fixed the regression with the t/g speed.

[tender river]

open the link

it explains everything

[opaque sigil]

ngl

i didn't even notice there was a link

but yeah

guess nixpkgs recently updated to 10.1

most optimal multi-gpu program

[fast pagoda]

using any of the 2nd at all
already doing better than many

[opaque sigil]

yeah ignore that using two is like

5x slower than using 1

[young plover]

not pictured: PCIe bus slammed at 100%

[fast pagoda]

optimal

tinygrad are quaking

if i end up wiring anything up in home network wise it's gonna be fibre next time

im sure thatll be very easy and simply accessible to do

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

6pm traffic

[opaque sigil]

ngl i thought these gpus were connected via nvlink but guess not

[fast pagoda]

rip sli

[opaque sigil]

idk if the server edition of the rtx pro 6000 blackwell even has nvlink slots

the normal card probably doesn't right

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

got that low trim level missing button wifi nvlink

[opaque sigil]

oh wait i'm dumb, workstation cards do get nvlink

Inserted 510027366 / 510027366 items, found 510027366 items in 139 ms
close enough right

[fast pagoda]

where did you find that rtx pro 6000 blackwell has nvlink

im finding the opposite

NVIDIA has phased out NVLink for consumer and workstation GPUs and reserves it only for their enterprise GPUs. The last generation to support NVLink in the consumer and workstation class is Ampere.

[opaque sigil]

oh

the image baited me

i thought i saw what looked like a closed nvlink port

[olive sable]

is it not?

[opaque sigil]

not the one above

[olive sable]

then wtf is it??????

[fast pagoda]

oh nah it's just a hole that is plugged over

[olive sable]

bruh

[fast pagoda]

like an empty button spot in your car where a higher trim has like a seat warmer w/e

[olive sable]

i odnt have a car but i get what you mean

[opaque sigil]

probably just reusing pcb from the b200 or whatever they're at i guess

[fast pagoda]

yea/coolers

[olive sable]

like the empty 2nd ram slot in your laptop

cuz hp is a cheap fucker

[keen hatch]

it's slow ( ...

[young plover]

not 100% but enough to be worried about

[opaque sigil]

theoretical is 64GB/s so uhhh

[mighty thorn]

[opaque sigil]

See you in a bit then

[fast pagoda]

you have patience and it'll be done in a mere 3 years

[olive sable]

you must simply manifest the extra speed

[fast pagoda]

Wonder how this will crumble getting thousands of requests from an event or something

I hate phone discord

Somehow the 2nd half of another message is attached to that

That's impressive

[patent shard]

nice, fv7beta2 was just released
it's... a huge step down in fullness from fv7beta1 (this means a lot less noise, too)
still quite a fuller than big beta 6x
instead of ensembling fv4 or fv6/fv7beta1 and big beta 6x, maybe just fv7beta2 would work.. and better, too

[opaque sigil]

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/11/android-developer-verification-early.html

we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn't verified

Hmmm

[amber fractal]

advanced flow, hmm. Is it going to be even more of a pain than it currently is?

[opaque sigil]

I'm perfectly fine with them making it annoying so that people won't be coerced into doing it as long as it's a one-time thing

I think this is a pretty reasonable middle ground

[amber fractal]

if it isn't one-time I'm just using adb for all of my apps for now on

[magic chasm]

How to learn java

[tender river]

make stuff in it

[magic chasm]

What I didn't get

Explained clearly

[tender river]

please talk in proper sentences

anyway there are many tutorials online just google some and read until you feel like you understand it

for any feature you want

and then try to apply it in practice because you will instantly forget otherwise

[magic chasm]

it's great to hear from you idea@tender river

[rigid snow]

[jagged turtle]

coherence = null

[jagged turtle]

anyways

does the docker extension api allow javascript files to be ran as backend?

im probably not using correct terminology here but oh well

[mighty thorn]

i dont wanna wait 2 months

to train a 270m model

[keen hatch]

It's the same thing when I realized I needed to train an expert model instead of waiting 90 days using any other model (which was capable of completing the task) to process my data.

After I trained the model, I did everything in 3 days... but it took me several months to create the expert model

[patent shard]

is a bit muddy.. but the noise is also relatively low
it's still on the fuller side, it's just the instruments were extremely loud during the chorus.. so it's gonna be muddy

[mighty thorn]

@austere condor

[keen hatch]

... but it was the data that took me a lot of time, not the training. If I used the deepseek v3 api it would cost me about $600

[mighty thorn]

ah

well

as you can probably guess from the above

i've been scraping twitch vods for well over 6 months

actually approaching 9 months now

[amber fractal]

So apparently I got blindsided by the valve hardware release

[mighty thorn]

🪦

🔥

[keen hatch]

My dataset is only about 40 million tokens, not that much. But the reasoning alone requires about 10,000–15,000 tokens per example to complete the task.

and only large models can complete the task, small ones cannot, regardless of the quality of the prompt.

[molten ore]

It is a pain to collect good data.

Most sets I find or even pay for are 💩

[primal quail]

had a first assessment for an IT traineeship earlier today
some logic puzzles broke my brain

[obsidian mantle]

Do you remember any? Or are they very specific/large/complex

[primal quail]

nah these weren't very large or super complex, just kinda annoying
the actual technical assessment follows later

this was just puzzles like showing sides of a dice with symbols like triangles, squares, etc. and then needing to answer which are other valid rotations of the dice

also matrix puzzles, pattern grids, all kinds of logic puzzles

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[primal quail]

oh now that i have embed perms

this kinda stuff

[obsidian mantle]

i was trying to find logic in 4th picture

And its just a random set of answer variants

[primal quail]

yeah

1st and 3rd picture are the "keys" and the 2nd and 4th pictures are the answer variants

i'll be real i'm still not sure what the solution is to the 3rd picture

most of the logic puzzles were okay, that one i just didn't get

and there were several of that variety

[obsidian mantle]

I think its middle left

[primal quail]

i think i went with bottom middle for that one, i don't remember

i just couldn't figure them out

or bottom left rather*

[obsidian mantle]

White+horizontal gives horizontal
Black + vertical gives dots
Black + dots gives vertical

these puzzles are fun when you get it but super annoying when you dont

[primal quail]

i know programming is in part about logical thinking but i just don't really understand how these specific puzzles apply to that

[obsidian mantle]

Abstract logic or smth

[primal quail]

it's a very thorough assessment in any case, and i kinda like that because at least it feels like you're being taken seriously

[hollow matrix]

I do not give a fuck JetBrains

[amber fractal]

So this is why we never include spell check in IDEs

[hollow matrix]

[hollow matrix]

Their AI made the fucking comment too

The ai did s instead of 's

[amber fractal]

that is how we know it is built for code completion

otherwise it would have been correct

[hollow matrix]

@signal trout I saw you typing Susge

[amber fractal]

[hollow matrix]

[amber fractal]

I had a discord moment

[hollow matrix]

What was it?

[amber fractal]

there was a solid 4 emotes worth of void under the "emote"

[hollow matrix]

So, like, the message went way longer then it should have looked?

[amber fractal]

yep

[hollow matrix]

DIscord is fucked

Very very broken

[amber fractal]

I was assuming maybe it was trying to fullscreen fake emotes again but decided not to today

[hollow matrix]

I have the problem where if I have hdr enabled, the screenshots of discord will sometimes be extremely bright for some reason. This doesn't happen on browsers, so it's not a problem from Chromium, it's something Discord fucked up

[amber fractal]

classic discord issue

[hollow matrix]

yup

[amber fractal]

my issue is with the mobile app, no I won't say what

[signal trout]

[hollow matrix]

[hollow matrix]

why not

[amber fractal]

Grab a screenshot it leaves once you leave the chat

[rigid snow]

that happens to me all the time

[amber fractal]

I forgot to take a screenshot for it

[signal trout]

I was going to say that I'm surprised AI isn't better at grammar, but I haven't personally used it, so I'm not really qualified to judge it well just based on second-hand info

[hollow matrix]

Well, it's an AI based around coding, not writing

[nocturne olive]

What's the silliness here today?

[amber fractal]

The entire mobile app is a skill issue

I'd be here for an hour

[hollow matrix]

True

[rigid snow]

silliness

we sillying

[signal trout]

I've heard poor things about grammarly too though

[hollow matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-ice-breaking-neurosama-ice-neurofumo-neurospin-gif-27695960

[amber fractal]

not them switching to AI instead of decent

[nocturne olive]

I've started manually transcribing a song for NeuroSynth
It's too good for automatic transcriptions

It's also gonna end up being the first fully cooked Japanese song

[hollow matrix]

SwarmFM should have someone live transcribe the captions in real time instead of using ai

[nocturne olive]

I'm talking about transcribing note pitches more than lyrics

[hollow matrix]

Is that not what something like audacity does?

[nocturne olive]

No

[hollow matrix]

I don't know a fucking thing about audio-related shit

[nocturne olive]

That's something I'm doing in-engine in the NeuroSynth editor
Audacity is not a DAW either so it can't even do that

The vocals will be the easy part
The instrumental will be the hard part

[hollow matrix]

May I ask what NeuroSynth is btw? Is it some sort of vocaloid thing

[nocturne olive]

-# Totally not asking if there's anyone here that does instrumentals

[hollow matrix]

nope

[nocturne olive]

It's a vocal synthesizer with Neuro's voice I'm making to allow the community to make their own Neuro stuff

[hollow matrix]

Is it open source?

[nocturne olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjEkksmofgo
It goes something like this

[nocturne olive]

It's using open-source technology, but the voice bank is not public yet as it's incomplete

[hollow matrix]

I was looking at the channel, you managed to get a chess match with neuro?

[nocturne olive]

Oh those are ancient videos

I have not done anything with my channel in ages

Every cover ends up being a collab with someone

[hollow matrix]

Amazing comment section

[nocturne olive]

SMOL

I've very much shifted from whatever I was doing back then to focusing all on NeuroSynth

At least I'm getting decent with it by now

My main limiting factor is starting to be instrumentals, I really need to get good at doing those

I may have to do it with this song I'm doing next even becaue my usual instrumentalist is busy

And there's 0 good quality openly available instrumentals for it

[patent shard]

my only experience are running the songs through a model :/ I wish I had good music creating experience...

[nocturne olive]

Yea I'm not using an extracted instrumental those suck

I may just have to spend the ages it'll take to figure out how to transcribe it well by hand based on the few small things I've done before

[patent shard]

can be decent, it just depends... there's def loss/added noise involved

[nocturne olive]

Most cases it¨s pretty obvious

[patent shard]

hmm, have you tried inst v1e+

[nocturne olive]

No clue what that is

[patent shard]

vocal remover model

[nocturne olive]

Also no matter what I'm not using an extracted instrumental from a YouTube download

[patent shard]

if you truly want something high quality, though, making one is def best

[nocturne olive]

I'll just need to figure out how to inst

[patent shard]

this one here
can have some vocal bleed (especially during quiet sections) and piano is noisy (resurrection inst works better for piano)

[nocturne olive]

Oh isn't that just part of what UVR with Roformer patch offers?

[rigid snow]

what do you mean ancient

[patent shard]

yes, but it's not available in the download center (only older models are)

[young plover]

feels like it
been a wild few years

[nocturne olive]

Completely not up to my latest standards

[nocturne olive]

Sil
Either way I have no clue how adding custom models to UVR works

[young plover]

ChatGPT was November 2022 wtf

Feels like that was during covid

[rigid snow]

ye

[rigid snow]

so like yesterday

[nocturne olive]

Is that a Miku PSU?

[faint sandal]

yea

it's not mine i'm just buying it on behalf of my friend

[nocturne olive]

Very silly
On my PC it would be pretty pointless as the PSU is completely hidden away

Looks pretty good though

[faint sandal]

it's 515 dollars too

[nocturne olive]

Pricy

[young plover]

I remember seeing articles about neuro being banned but she wasn't coherent enough to watch back then. That felt like ages ago. Only remembered she exists recently.

[faint sandal]

that was 3 years ago

so yes that was ages ago

[opaque sigil]

How much of that is the miku tax though

[young plover]

Am I already a boomer?
3 years isn't that long
How long ago did I graduate coll- oh fuck

[faint sandal]

about 60 dollars

the original SKU is $450

[opaque sigil]

I wanna say I'm surprised but I guess it makes sense

[opaque sigil]

https://dbrand.com/shop/limited-edition/companion-cube

[rigid snow]

of fucking course

wait it’s an actual case

not a skin

[opaque sigil]

I wanna see them make a gabecube

[rigid snow]

just gabens face stretched

on all sides

[opaque sigil]

Yup

[covert bane]

I like how @short ingot named the folders, it does not make any sense at all what they do, without looking at its contents. Very like her.

[jagged turtle]

.needy/modules

[covert bane]

she had a crashout with copilot

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

[jagged turtle]

nakurPT (gpt)?

idk I tried fitting claude in but I can't figure out how

[covert bane]

wdym?

[jagged turtle]

just making a joke

srry

my humour is bad

[covert bane]

oooh-

[rigid snow]

no ktrain its a good pun most of us are just autistic

[covert bane]

try nakurity.ai, no?

[jagged turtle]

true...

[covert bane]

how-

I'm not autistic!

[jagged turtle]

uhm

[covert bane]

or... atleast... I don't think I am...

[jagged turtle]

try saying nakurity out loud

[covert bane]

na ku ri ty

[jagged turtle]

and then say nakur-P-T out loud

[covert bane]

is how she pronounces it

[jagged turtle]

no I mean out loud

[covert bane]

na kur P T

[jagged turtle]

verbally

both of them

[covert bane]

is what I pronounced it

[covert bane]

I did, duh. I can say stuff in my mind lol

[rigid snow]

puh tuh

[jagged turtle]

mhm

[covert bane]

mmhm

[jagged turtle]

you need to hear the similarity

[covert bane]

actually... na ku re te is more so accurate of what she pronounces her name as

[jagged turtle]

ah

[covert bane]

OOOH I DIDNT GET IT

cause...

I knew the similarity

but I did not understand what I was looking for lol

[jagged turtle]

am I just too autistic or smth

[rigid snow]

am confusioed

[covert bane]

am confused, on what are we confused about

[opaque sigil]

average day in #programming i see

[jagged turtle]

average day in #programming is <insert obsession here>?

[covert bane]

actually... how would I set an environment variable for ollama, without actually making a global variable in my system?

[opaque sigil]

run it from the shell and set it there

[covert bane]

so like, just in bash?

[opaque sigil]

yeah, you can do ENV=var command

[covert bane]

kay!

[opaque sigil]

though that won't make it inherit the env variable into subprocesses so you might want uhh

export ENV=var
command

[covert bane]

got it, tysm!

[opaque sigil]

very useful for not giving every process access to sensitive env variables for example

[covert bane]

yea

[maiden geyser]

very useful for sharing the api key with the world through a commit

[opaque sigil]

we do a little oopsie daisy

[covert bane]

its okay! I'm not using that for an api key

[sage crag]

env A=B command also work, more portable technically

[opaque sigil]

true

[sage crag]

tost

[opaque sigil]

[magic chasm]

Hii

Everyone

[dry crest]

Can someone explain GRU simply? I’ve spent 3 days on it and still only understand like 5%

[covert bane]

nakurity's tracer is kinda useful actually

[opaque sigil]

bunch of fancy math to be able to set how much of the previous state to forget and how much of a new candidate to influence the next state

[maiden geyser]

Gru is the guy who stole the moon or something

[dry crest]

😭😭😭

[dry crest]

Yea, I get that much but I don’t get the math behind it…

Sorry for ping

[covert bane]

So that's the person who took the moon. I was looking for it everywhere!

[opaque sigil]

the sigmoids are from 0 to 1 for the forgetting and tanh is -1 to 1 for updating it in one direction

the exact specifics of how exactly they compose together internally doesn't really matter that much, since you'll usually treat the whole thing as a single unit anyway

[dry crest]

Thx

[opaque sigil]

i'm kinda rusty with this stuff, been a while

[covert bane]

has anyone ever had needed to import "print" in a programming language.

[sage crag]

ye very common actually

[covert bane]

waaaa

[sage crag]

[covert bane]

its just importing print. and nothing else

its not a bundle...

I think, normally it would include a bunch of other stuff, no?

[sage crag]

just small issue

[sage crag]

ne not necessarily, print is actually quite large impl if you do it from scratch

[covert bane]

oooh

this was a prototype

and the impl nakurity asked me to do, was in asm. And to make it an executable that something like c can call

not a library / dll... for some... reason

[sage crag]

linker symbol not straightforward

call executable easier

[covert bane]

lol

[opaque sigil]

object

[covert bane]

I object to your objection!

anyways

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

that's the word you were looking for

[covert bane]

she said this was because so she could just slide in another dll without having to implement it in c to call it. it will just load on demand

by dll, I would assume she meant executable

[sage crag]

that doesnt make much sense

[covert bane]

like...

[sage crag]

but okipoki

[covert bane]

there's an import statement

which is loaded on demand

[sage crag]

[covert bane]

and then the import statement load the other plugins by requiring a symbol name for it

[sage crag]

sound like dynamic linker

[opaque sigil]

sounds like a dll being opened to me and then calling a predefined symbol

[sage crag]

usually wouldnt use executable, would use dll

[covert bane]

yea

but she said to call executables using a standard format that all modules would use as an executable to get their params

[sage crag]

[covert bane]

but rn its just opening dlls as py files. since its in python atm

prototyping

[sage crag]

[covert bane]

the parser isn't even loaded by default

[sage crag]

[covert bane]

smh

[opaque sigil]

nothing stopping you from parsing python on the fly i guess and using that like a dll

[sage crag]

python actively support it with inbuilt libraries infact

in fact, import x.py is pretty much that

[covert bane]

waaaa

I'm learning something new everyday

[opaque sigil]

python is first compiled to byte code before being interpreted

[sage crag]

but also imports happen at runtime

[opaque sigil]

did you see

lazy imports soon

[sage crag]

you can import arbitrary files and importing them runs the file

thats how definitions are done with imports

[sage crag]

[covert bane]

in the language we're building. everything happens at runtime

[sage crag]

youre interpreting it from the AST?

[covert bane]

yes... apparently

[sage crag]

[covert bane]

the final implementation would be like:
step 1, parse the file
step 2, read the parsed file
step 3, if import is found, resolve and save the ast kind
step 4, if that import is used, call upon that ast kind. (it is an executable)
step 5, if there's a free command for that import, delete it from the registry
step 6, end the program

I was thinking of making it segfault if the memory is not cleared correctly, actually

[opaque sigil]

trigger a kernel panic

can't catch those

[covert bane]

I like that these ast kinds support spaces

[covert bane]

how would we do that... 🤔

[sage crag]

it joke

[opaque sigil]

wasn't there a file you can write into to trigger a panic

or just ship a kernel module and load that

[sage crag]

this not ast

ast is the nodes

space in "kind" not mean anything

[sage crag]

tost <- kernel panic

[covert bane]

no, that is what the import stuff uses

import resolves that kind to the symbol name

[sage crag]

[covert bane]

with ✨ magic ✨

[sage crag]

this is meaningless

[covert bane]

cause I do not know how it works

[sage crag]

respectfully

[covert bane]

but will it work?

[sage crag]

whether it will work or not cant determine

not reading full codebase

[covert bane]

it did not work

sad

[sage crag]

r

[olive sable]

u

[jagged turtle]

to tell eslint to stfu about console.log, yeah

[covert bane]

waht

[hard raptor]

oh i knew it!

after seeing brodie's video on syntax highlighting i thought i would give tsoding theme a try, it actually works nicely for my head

[grave oracle]

can isee a string and array javacode example? (yes im studying computer science)

[jagged turtle]

?

what is javacode

is it java or js

and also strings and arrays are general programming concepts

[grave oracle]

java yeah

[olive sable]

[cosmic sphinx]

chat

do you think I will be able to run python 3.12 on an old ass laptop with windows 7

[maiden geyser]

are you forced to run it on a pc and on a win7 and a native system by the circumstances?

bc probably yes, but there are more ways to do that

[cosmic sphinx]

idk wdym by forced
its just that the laptop hasnt been touched in ages, and I figured out it got win 7 installed

its like from 2012

I might figure out how to load win 8 or win 10 on it, but idk if I want to bloat it that much

[obsidian mantle]

It might not have drivers existing on win10

[covert bane]

Actually, the ast kind is like the package namespace, that register and holds the execution logic for the namespaces
And the symbol contains the symbol to parse for.

So like the symbol figures out stuff like require, print, etc. While the ast kind can bundle the require, print, and other modules together, into one ast namespace

[sage crag]

[maiden geyser]

i mean, it's probably e-waste unless it has ~8 gigs and a good cpu and/or gpu

a 4gb one probably can go as a homelab with linux

[cosmic sphinx]

8 gigs with tablet mode
its a fujitsu lifebook

[velvet vale]

E7xx or U7xx?

Oh wait 2012

A series then

[grave oracle]

who is taking computer science course college here?

[cosmic sphinx]

T series

it might be older than that

[velvet vale]

Okay I'm not super familiar with those series but assuming the usual 8gb specs then it will be a i5 2nd gen I think