programming

[olive sable]

ok

so why not use that over the snapdragon 8?

[faint sandal]

that's the steam frame

the box is the steam machine

[rigid snow]

power efficiency i imagine

[faint sandal]

the steam machine can stream to the steam frame

[olive sable]

since the headset is wireless, it has a baterry

i imagine that using the snapdragon 8 would lower battery life

[rigid snow]

snapdragon over what

[olive sable]

streaming

[faint sandal]

???

[rigid snow]

ehat

[faint sandal]

you can either run the games locally on the frame with the snapdragon OR stream from another machine

what's so confusing about that

[olive sable]

if you're doing stremaing the only thing using battery on the headset woudl be input and video decode

[faint sandal]

yeah???

[rigid snow]

tracking?

[olive sable]

i see trackign as part of input

[faint sandal]

like obviously streaming from another machine would eat less power on the headset

[rigid snow]

its inside out tracking though

100% local to the headset

[olive sable]

ye

so?

so then what makes the snapdragon more power efficient in your eyes?

[rigid snow]

that requires… processing power

[rigid snow]

over x86 like the steam deck

[faint sandal]

what are you talking about

[olive sable]

that doesnt make a difference

[rigid snow]

since it’s a standalone device

like the steam deck

[olive sable]

when you're streaming or being local, both of those have the strackign in the headset

so there is no power usage difference in that aspect

[faint sandal]

yeah

[olive sable]

thats not my point

[rigid snow]

i REALLY don’t understand what the fuck you’re talking about

[faint sandal]

I don't understand what's your confusion

[rigid snow]

it’s in the same product category as meta quest

there isn’t a wireless streaming only headset

[olive sable]

you say here power efficiency, asif using the snapdragon 8 would mean it uses less power, when it would use more power

[rigid snow]

suggest a more efficient soc then

[faint sandal]

as opposed to... what, x86 chipset on the headset?

[rigid snow]

ye thank you

[faint sandal]

snapdragon arm processors are already incredibly power efficient

[rigid snow]

now you get why i’m confused

[olive sable]

thats not what im trying to say. im asking why even use an soc if the streaming machine is right there with a lot more performance budget?

[faint sandal]

you don't HAVE to use a streaming machine if you don't have one

[olive sable]

isnt it provided with the headset?

[dry charm]

It is a s5andalone unit

[rigid snow]

they’re separate products sam

[rigid snow]

very separate

[faint sandal]

steam machine and steam frame are sold separately as different products

[rigid snow]

just happen at the same time

[faint sandal]

you do not need one another

[dry charm]

Headset is a Standalone ARM SteamOS machine
And thr Steam Machine is an x86 desktop box

[faint sandal]

you can use the steam frame standalone without any PC or steam machine box

and vice versa

[olive sable]

how much is the machine thing?

[rigid snow]

not announced officially yet i think

[faint sandal]

no pricing yet

[olive sable]

do you need the steam machine to connect an actual pc to it?

[faint sandal]

no

you might want to rewatch the announcement trailer

I think it'll clear up many of the confusions

[rigid snow]

sam you’re not 10 years old how do you not know ehat a steam machine is

[olive sable]

i know what a steam machine is

[rigid snow]

that’s it

[faint sandal]

the steam frame comes with a wireless dongle that your steam machine or PC can stream from to the device - connecting from such device is optional

[rigid snow]

literally

but by 2025 valve

[olive sable]

i thought it was part of the headset hardware

[faint sandal]

no...

we've been saying this for the last 5 minutes

[rigid snow]

not my fault i said what it was in order

[faint sandal]

they are separate products

[olive sable]

well yes, that's why i said it in past tense

[faint sandal]

we good now then?

[rigid snow]

what’s confusing is you can stream from the steam machine

because it is a pc with steam

[olive sable]

i firstt hought it was exclusive streaming

but its just a shitty pc

[rough bloom]

stream steam from the steam streaming machine

[rigid snow]

why didn’t they name it steam engine

[faint sandal]

the steam machine is basically for those that don't wanna deal with setting up a whole PC

[rigid snow]

for 10x more confusion and 10x cool points

[faint sandal]

the whole premise now and back then was always about "here's a box that just works"

[olive sable]

i guess

[faint sandal]

if you already have a PC then the steam machine is not for you

however you may still find the steam frame enticing

[olive sable]

the controllers are fine cuz its just the standard layout, but i feel like the frame and machine are a bit last-gen?

[rigid snow]

what are the specs i don’t know

[faint sandal]

the steam machine concept is not new - just now they have a better hardware team and a good OS

[rigid snow]

he alr said he knows what that is

[olive sable]

like, im not sure if the steam frame is even considered an upgrade form the rift cv1 i have now, ignoring foveated streaming and whatever

[rigid snow]

bro are you fr

[olive sable]

zen 4 cpu, with igpu

[rigid snow]

anything from 2025 is an upgrade over the rift cv1 💔

[olive sable]

nuh-uhg

[faint sandal]

As for steam frame, the concept is also not new just now we have a decent competitor against meta's solution with better controller and better wireless streaming experience, and steamos

[olive sable]

ye

[faint sandal]

and that's a good thing

[olive sable]

i feel like the software side is the major pluspoint

[viral oasis]

I also like how it has eyetracking and a expansion for what it seems face tracking.

[olive sable]

the hardware is eh

[faint sandal]

just because it's not entirely new concept-wise doesn't mean it's necessarily archaic or unnecessary as what you're implying up there

[rigid snow]

wait face tracking??

[olive sable]

the eyetracking is nice i guess, thats the only thing it has over the cv1

[viral oasis]

I dont think it has it by default, but it has a expansion slot that could fit it, as for eyes, it has eye tracking

[rigid snow]

oh

expansion slot

[viral oasis]

its also apparently doing this

so thats neat

[olive sable]

Semi-custom AMD Zen 4 6C/12T, up to 4.8GHz, 30W TDP
Semi-custom AMD RDNA 3 28CUs, 2.45GHz sustained clock, 110W TDP, 8GB GDDR6
16GB DDR5 SODIMM (upgradeable)
512GB or 2TB;

ye not too great

[rigid snow]

why wouldn’t they be doing that

[viral oasis]

i love that they are

[olive sable]

bitrate

[viral oasis]

😄

[olive sable]

extra bitrate for the stuff in focus is nice

[viral oasis]

the magnetic controllers are nice too.. shame index controllers dont have that.

[olive sable]

index controllers are ancient by now lol

[viral oasis]

im ancient 😭

[rigid snow]

cpu is good
idk about gpu, looks fine but i dont have much context

you do not need >6c for gaming

everyone who says otherwise is scamming you

and it’s a gaming box

[obsidian mantle]

is it really not visible

sounds very cool

[viral oasis]

[opaque sigil]

4 CUs less than the 7600 (XT), could be worse i guess

Depends on the price

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/tomwarren/status/1988671431211905535

Tom Warren (@tomwarren)

the inside of the Steam Machine is just as compact as the Xbox Series X in an even smaller cube. The gabecube, if you like

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FxTwitter · Nov 12, 2025, 6:13 PM

they made GameCube 2

[sage crag]

beetles

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/HalfLife3Out/status/1988669741075239161

Is Half-Life 3 out? (@HalfLife3Out)

no

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FxTwitter · Nov 12, 2025, 6:06 PM

[dry charm]

They are going to announce that with the prices

or will be released with it

Maybe it is HL3 and did not want to break the internet

[fast pagoda]

They're giving these things away apparently

[dry charm]

wtf?

[fast pagoda]

I just got it for -$400

[obsidian mantle]

oh

[stark needle]

Ai slop phone

[fast pagoda]

Goes well with my ai slop life

[obsidian mantle]

[stark needle]

Still no gemini nano 🥀

[fast pagoda]

Where 3.0

[obsidian mantle]

are we all just a slop of some higher dimentional ai

[fast pagoda]

I had a pixel 8 pro so I'm curious to see how much more AI slop it is than this thing already is

Maybe my home hub will finally answer to Gemini

[stark needle]

I like how google advertises it as the gemini phone

When gemini is available everywhere

[fast pagoda]

Well but this one he is not only available but he's harvesting every piece of data imaginable to customize your ads

Even more than usual

[olive sable]

for games like vrc you will need a dgpu if you want anything above 30fps in a public lobby

unless you have a lot of lod and stuff

[rigid snow]

you’re actually so unserious

vrc isn’t a point of reference

[olive sable]

i mean

it is one of the most popular vr games

[rigid snow]

it performs like shit on the best hardware

[olive sable]

yep

[fast pagoda]

But can it run vrchat

Where's the crysis vrchat setting

[olive sable]

jsut because its badly optemized doesn't mean i cant be like "hey i mainly use vr for playing vrc, so this is not worth it for me"

[rigid snow]

i would imagine you’d have something like the meta quest edition on the headset itself

[olive sable]

eh

[stark needle]

Vrc on the quest is ass and still runs bad 🥀

[olive sable]

since its steam-os, maybe a specific settings profile or soemthing?

i doubt they wwould release a 2nd version on steam specifically for the frame

[rigid snow]

it’s arm

[fast pagoda]

Vr chat runs not too well on my quest 3

If it's in independent mode

[olive sable]

ye but its coming with some translation layer thing

[fast pagoda]

But yeah

[rigid snow]

that would suck even more

[fast pagoda]

I mean that's expected

[olive sable]

Fex translation layer for traditional x86 games.

[rigid snow]

i really hope valve is giving an option to publish native arm builds

of games

[fast pagoda]

That would)d be beeg

[rigid snow]

performance is the one important thing on vr

[olive sable]

i guess you're right, cv1 is 1080x1200 per eye while the frame is 2160x2160, 144hz instead of 90hz. altho the frame is lcd and the cv1 is oled

idk how good the blacks are in the frame, but if its noticeably gray i don't consider it an improvement

[fast pagoda]

I haven't really noticed anything on my quest That runs so badly in detached mode that it is unplayable but that's because VR game selection

[olive sable]

yep

half life alyx is incredably optemized too

its jsut games liek vrchat

i fuckign hate vrchat

but its pretty much the only game i play in vr

im rooting for its downfall so it gets replaced by a different platform that does the same things but better

[faint sandal]

I barely use vr because of the fuckass first gen vive that I have

[olive sable]

i use vr maybe once every 2 moinths

cv1 is still holding up fine

the frame has "Monochrome passthrough via outward facing cameras" apparently, kinda like the apple thingy

thats cool i think

[hard raptor]

Hewwo

[olive sable]

Hewwo

[sage crag]

hrrr

[hard raptor]

@fast pagoda i am actually gonna need your opinion on this

[rigid snow]

“kinda like the apple thingy” except quest 2 had the exact same monochrome passthrough in 2021

didn’t the index have that too

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1433049661270261871/ShouldICelebrate.gif

[rigid snow]

connie

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

also they do allow that

[olive sable]

nice

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-plink-cat-gif-1794292671885121408

[olive sable]

connie /ˈkɒni/ noun, informal•Australian English, plural noun: connies, a conductor on a bus or tram.

[sage crag]

buhflipexplode

[olive sable]

ngl

if someone served me that as a cake, idk if id want to eat it

[sage crag]

wrong

[olive sable]

its a caterpillar

[hard raptor]

I think i did actually cook with this one tho

[hard raptor]

Almost a year old lmao

I believe funyun remembers that one actually

[sage crag]

it chocolate

wrr

[hard raptor]

He def will remember this one

[olive sable]

fair enough

[tender river]

do not

trust her

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

[tender river]

it real caterpillar

[sage crag]

why you tell

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421123912720187512/1425566113755959386/neuroCatModeOff.webp

[tender river]

[olive sable]

oh no

[sage crag]

ye too late

caterpillar

dropship 10 tonne

[hard raptor]

Wait since when can we not trust konii?

[olive sable]

i am now infested with caterpilla

i will now die in 5 weeks

[sage crag]

i thought i misread it

[hard raptor]

Did something happen?

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

ye me dropship 10 tonne of caterpillar on sam

[olive sable]

since the day televisions were invented

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

do caterpillars eat flesh when given the chance?

[sage crag]

only if you are 🍃

[hard raptor]

I think i will disagree with the person comming from a country that doesn't even know how to lay roads properly

[tender river]

i have

urgent matters to attend to

[olive sable]

some adult moths, which are the next life stage after a caterpillar, can pierce human skin to suck blood or tears for supplemental nutrients, a behavior known as vampire moths.

vampire moths

[molten ore]

The lion does not concern himself with bugs

[olive sable]

im not a lion tho

im a triangle

[olive sable]

damn

you know we actually have to drive over those roads right? they hurt us more than they hurt you

[sage crag]

all roads lead to roads

[olive sable]

all roads are roads

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

if all roads lead to rome, and my house is connected to a road, do all roads also lead to my house?

[hard raptor]

Yeah.. that's probably why your country never learns, because of the brain trauma

[cosmic sphinx]

@sick owl uuh so openai silently dropped gpt-5.1

[olive sable]

hayleigh, you're so mean

[sick owl]

dafuq

[hard raptor]

[sick owl]

Oh its just 4oified 5

[sick owl]

I actually liked that 5 was less parasocial ngl

[sage crag]

no roads lead to rome

rome isnt a thing anymore

[olive sable]

its not?

[sage crag]

not for long

[olive sable]

what happened to italy?

oh

oh no

[hard raptor]

Ahh now i see why we don't trust konii anymore!

[sage crag]

you will know soon

[olive sable]

konii dont bomb italy please

[cosmic sphinx]

no benchmarks

[molten ore]

What programming languages does this community predominantly use?

[olive sable]

rust i guess

hblang

[sick owl]

That's cause its also tuned to use less tokens when thinking a bunch of the time

Wonder how that reflects on benchmark scores eh

[olive sable]

c++, python occasionally

[nocturne olive]

All of them

[sick owl]

Added sycophancy and shorter reasoning traces

[nocturne olive]

But me mainly Kotlin

[hard raptor]

I for real forgor how to properly use C pointers after using rust for a while lmao

[cosmic sphinx]

ugh, all these ppl complaining about 4o

[molten ore]

Great, I am a C, C#, and ASM programmer transitioning to Rust

[cosmic sphinx]

or rather advocating for it over 5

[olive sable]

i get the difference between pointers and references on a cognitive level, but when programming i pretty much always default to pointers

[hard raptor]

Imagine rust being such goated, that it's main selling point isn't even OOP, and it still does OOP better than GoLang which does sell itself as OOP

[olive sable]

sstop glazing rust, we know its good

that doesnt mean i will switch to it

[sick owl]

Same people that called GPT OSS shit because it wouldn't let them pretend to be in a relationship btw

[olive sable]

i like the suffering of c++

[hard raptor]

I have to stop already? This is like literally the first time i even do it lmao

[olive sable]

1 time is more than enough

[molten ore]

depending on how strictly you define OOP, Rust rarely fits the definition

[cosmic sphinx]

but can you debug virtual microcontrollers in a SPICE model with Rust?

[olive sable]

idfk

i dont use rust

[sage crag]

[cosmic sphinx]

[sage crag]

subliminal propaganda

[sage crag]

how

[sick owl]

You didn't know about that?

[olive sable]

not really subliminal, its mainly your existance that made me mention it

[cosmic sphinx]

i knew and its cringe

[sage crag]

personally me think the best thing about rust is its tooling

[opaque sigil]

Go has never sold itself as an oop language

[sage crag]

everything else is done better by other languages

[sage crag]

quite the opposite

[molten ore]

Rust is multi-paradigum—it blends functional, procedural, and object-oriented techniques together, but doesn't exactly fit OOP definitions

[opaque sigil]

It's the self declared "c for the 21st century"

[sick owl]

Same crowd, they make the entire space a pain in the ass to navigate and drag down cloud providers with their antics as we're seeing now with 5.1

[sage crag]

so is zig, c3, jai, odin

[sick owl]

Because so much word of mouth reputation is staked on how hard a model can roleplay and validate users rather than its actual intelligence

[molten ore]

C is still a great language to write in. It just requires more boilerplate

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

All 4 of which arguably do a better job at it

[sage crag]

the worst thing about c is writing it

the best thing about c is how old it is

[molten ore]

at least it isnt Cpp, though

[sage crag]

True!

writing rust is also significantly worse than writing c

[molten ore]

if i want objects, ill write them myself

[cosmic sphinx]

google deepmind watching this release: yh we can delay the 3.0 release another month, safe

[opaque sigil]

I love templates!!!!

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/python-programming-c-programming-gif-24295559

[sage crag]

you have malloc

[opaque sigil]

I love spending a minute watching a single file compile!!!!

[hard raptor]

I really disagree on that.. now of course it isn't java where your ONLY option is OOP... but rust is also pretty good at it

[sick owl]

[sage crag]

you get this without templates in rust

[olive sable]

i dont like using malloc

[sage crag]

now if you include rust teplates

[sage crag]

calloc

[opaque sigil]

At least rust has incremental compilation

as a crutch

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

true

[molten ore]

as I mentioned, it is all about how you define OOP

[sage crag]

oop is when the the inheritence

[olive sable]

inheritence is overrated ngl

[hard raptor]

Rust can do that... but why would you even wanna.. lmao

[sage crag]

rust doesnt support inheritence

[hard raptor]

It does

[sage crag]

you can simulate inheritence but it doesnt exist

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

I should've written my thesis in zig but fuck dealing with the cuda driver api

[molten ore]

if you define it as having encapsulation, polymorphism, and composition, then yes; if you define it as classes and inheritance, then no.

[olive sable]

imagine writinfg cuda, couldnt be me

[sage crag]

rust doesnt have inheritence because its not a language feature

[opaque sigil]

[opaque sigil]

Don't supertraits kind of count

[sage crag]

no

the closest thing is trait objects of supertraits

which is "inheritence" but really you arent inheriting anything because you still have to write every method

[olive sable]

but have you considered that c++ comes with extra brain damage and pain for free?

[opaque sigil]

So does rust

[olive sable]

eh

[opaque sigil]

Try writing generic async rust

[sage crag]

it in fact does

[opaque sigil]

you'll see

[hard raptor]

Rust has classes tho? It just is not called a class, but its the exact same concept

[sage crag]

...

rust does not have classes

it has structs

structs are not the same concept

[olive sable]

uhm

what is the difference actually?

[sage crag]

a class is a higher level concept

[olive sable]

in c++ they basicly do the same thing

[hard raptor]

I was more aiming for impl but okay

[sage crag]

a struct represents a data layout

[olive sable]

oh

[sage crag]

struct methods are not the same thing as class methods

[olive sable]

so then why do they put functions methods in structs?

[hard raptor]

Well, it sure feels the same way

[opaque sigil]

Convenience

[sage crag]

because its a useful abstraction

[opaque sigil]

Struct and classes behave pretty much identically who cares what they're called

[sage crag]

me

[hard raptor]

THIS

[opaque sigil]

smh

[sage crag]

classes are always reference types

[hard raptor]

I literally said that from the beginning of my classes claim

[olive sable]

have you considered, no

[molten ore]

A class typically supports inheritance and reference semantics (objects live on the heap and are accessed by reference), while a struct is a value type that uses composition instead of inheritance and is usually stored directly on the stack.

[sage crag]

mhm

in c# even, class values are stored on the heap

[olive sable]

a class is like a struct but with somoe extra shit i guess

[sage crag]

like i said, a class is a higher level concept

[hard raptor]

Who the fuck even uses inheritance?

It's a shit concept

[sage crag]

[hard raptor]

It always has been

[olive sable]

i dont reall think in concpets

[sage crag]

oop has its place

[olive sable]

i need like visuals

in my head

[sage crag]

too bad me opposite

[olive sable]

i know

thats why you're able to do whatever that jit thing was and i didnt understand shit

[sage crag]

no that's because i have more experience writing virtual machines and abusing c semantics

[olive sable]

thats part of it

[hard raptor]

But hey .. what do i know.. i'm just a haskell, rust, c/c++, asm, go, and js programmer.. right?

[olive sable]

idk

[sage crag]

people who say how many languages they know...

[hard raptor]

Honestly thinking of adding zig to that list as well

[olive sable]

im not gonna argue semantics cuz the one thing i know is that i dont know

[molten ore]

inheritance is great for enterpirse environments that havent evolved into more advanced concepts yet

[sage crag]

it almost always demonstrate the opposite of what they try to convey by saying it

[olive sable]

damn

[hard raptor]

So basically, what you're saying, is.. inheritance is great but only if you are forced to use it?

[molten ore]

yes

[sage crag]

inheritence is great for things that need to work now and dont need to be robust

which is partly why its used in enterprise settings

though a lot of the reason is legacy ye

[molten ore]

agreed. it is better to master concepts and all aspects of the language before swapping to another one without reason. Otherwise, you end up being mediocre at a ton of languages. Though, it might be better for multi-language environments if you are unfortunate enough to be in one

[fast pagoda]

I do

[hard raptor]

I knew you would

I really need to go back to my house era

[fast pagoda]

I'm listening to the one you mentioned RN

[hard raptor]

I cooked up some real good things back then

[molten ore]

I'm a cloud native developer, so I had to use a few languages. One thing I will never work on, though, is weak-typed interpreted languages

[fast pagoda]

Absolutely partying with the ridiculous RGB of the laptop cooling thing I got yesterday while I wait for this phone to activate and re-pull everything

[molten ore]

besdes maybe bash

[hard raptor]

Now i wanna make a statically typed bash

Why you put this idea in my head

[sage crag]

every reasonable language have tools to accomplish the same things, which is why i hold the belief that the largest barrier to changing languages is simply the paradigm, when you are unfamiliar with it

[rigid snow]

what the fuck is a statically typed bash

[sage crag]

i.e. changing from a c-style language to a functional style language

[sage crag]

it doesnt exist because bash only has one type

string

[molten ore]

C# is introducing script files

[rigid snow]

yes

[hard raptor]

That's why i have to make it

[olive sable]

w

[sage crag]

static typing in scripting languages is a waste of time

[olive sable]

u

[sage crag]

the entire point of scripting languages is prototyping

[rigid snow]

w u

[sage crag]

you care more about how data is used than what form it takes

[molten ore]

It is like French, I learned how to write in other languages so I can refuse to use them as opposed to simply being unable to

[hard raptor]

It saves me a lot of headaches in js and lua tho

[olive sable]

what is ahppening here rn? im so confused

[molten ore]

but I agree. it is all the same concept just how do they represent it

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

if you are writing a program that requires static types to work your head around then it is too complex to be called a script

[olive sable]

do people actually program stuff in bash?

[sage crag]

yes

[rigid snow]

15mb js bundle

[olive sable]

thats crazy

[sage crag]

not really, its one of the most portable languages to exist

[tender river]

yee because scripting languages used when dynamic code loading is required not just for scripting

[molten ore]

no, i just use it for scheduling and running things, not doing work

[hard raptor]

There are entire web servers and image processors written in bash...

[olive sable]

i guess, but i always thought of bash as more of a human input

idk

[rigid snow]

that’s so wrong

[sage crag]

read steam.sh

[molten ore]

but are there any good ones is the question

[olive sable]

wait

lemme google soemthing

[hard raptor]

https://youtu.be/L967hYylZuc

Just a little preview

[olive sable]

oh i see

[sage crag]

"pure bash" but doing io

pure and io

[hard raptor]

He only uses bash built-ins tho..

[sage crag]

ne me made joke

you miss

[olive sable]

bash is used as the language in popular terminals, not inherently the terminal

[hard raptor]

Sorry i acoustic

[tender river]

true

[sage crag]

bash is a scripting language and a shell

not a terminal

[hard raptor]

Oh i actually have to agree with them

[olive sable]

shell != terminal?

[sage crag]

a terminal is a piece of hardware

[olive sable]

these terms are all so confusing

[sage crag]

ye

[tender river]

its both thats why its good after do stuff can tell computer do same stuff

[olive sable]

thats a good point

[fast pagoda]

I'm gaming

[olive sable]

video wont load

gimme a sec

[hard raptor]

Terminals or terminal emulators are just pieces of hardware or software that takes text input and gives text output, shells are the things that handle commands

[sage crag]

pty

[olive sable]

hmm

[hard raptor]

With my music.. nice

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

what is it copying?

the track?

[sage crag]

new phone maybe

[sick owl]

[fast pagoda]

All my apps and the way I have the entire phone set up

Yeah it's the new one

[olive sable]

oh

oh ye

i forgor

[hard raptor]

You remember "bright stars"?

And the rhodes instrument that fucked your ears up?

[olive sable]

oh no its 9pm

uhm

[hard raptor]

I'm curious if my sister still remembers making "flickering lights" with me

[final tinsel]

[sage crag]

[tender river]

inheritance very useful form of code reuse

can be achieved in haskell too

[hard raptor]

"Flickering lights" for reference

[tender river]

only problem is oop devs thrive on mediocrity

[hard raptor]

Really? Never really used it tho

[sage crag]

all programmer mediocre because we strive for perfection in a system where it doesnt exist

[tender river]

inheritance just
open fixpoint

[tender river]

ne not me i never settle for mediocrity and thus avoid programming altogether

[sage crag]

if not programming are you programmer

[tender river]

me just leaf

[sage crag]

🍃 <-

[olive sable]

konii gatekeeping smh

[sage crag]

[hard raptor]

I think i am starting to get it?

[sage crag]

[tender river]

nee this wouldnt work as inheritance

[hard raptor]

Oh?

Okay i am so confused rn

[tender river]

this is just plain old ad hoc polymorphism (fancy function overloading)

[sage crag]

that just haskell trait

[fast pagoda]

I remember them all

[hard raptor]

Ehh am new(-ish) to haskell anyways

I will probably learn it in the future

[sage crag]

[molten ore]

What are you confused about?

[fast pagoda]

,cable vs no cable

Lmfao

Laso why the fuck do my photos say afunyun

[molten ore]

are we still on object vs struct or is this inheritence

[fast pagoda]

Am I quack now

[hard raptor]

People saying haskell inheritance, and me looking it up, website giving me an example and me thinking "oh yeah makes sense" and then people being like "nah bro, that isn't it"

[sage crag]

it just not inheritence

type class

trait wrr

[tender river]

inheritance would be like

data Thingy = Thingy
  { doA :: Int -> String
  , doB :: Int -> String
  , doAandB :: Int -> Int -> (String, String) }

thing0 self = Thingy
  { doA = const "a"
    doB = const "b"
    doAandB = \a b -> (doA self a, doB self b) }
thing = thing0 thing

thing'0 self = thing0 self
  { doA = const "not actually a mwahahaha" }
thing' = thing'0 thing'

[sage crag]

like function as value

[fast pagoda]

Haskell hours are scary ones

[sage crag]

resolve at compile time though

wrr

[molten ore]

Inheritance is when one type derives from another, reusing or extending the code structure. Polymophism is when different types can be treated uniformly through a shared interface or behavior, even if their implementations differ

[sage crag]

dink dink

[hard raptor]

Yeah no shit, i was that far already

[fast pagoda]

And all of them are why oop are bad

[hard raptor]

Haskell is just confusing

[tender river]

pure so compile time same as runtime compiler free to use or ignore that

[sage crag]

haskell just ML language

expressive

not c style

[fast pagoda]

Bold

Inspiring

[sage crag]

ye

ye

no IO

[fast pagoda]

Imaginative

[tender river]

Afunyun.pt

[fast pagoda]

That me

[hard raptor]

Yeah like i said.. am still learning the language

[sage crag]

.ptx

[hard raptor]

.nl

[tender river]

nobody here to fight
except when they are

[sage crag]

me here to point fingers, laugh, and throw sandwiches

[fast pagoda]

afunyun.pth

afunyun.pwf

[sage crag]

one pasta

[fast pagoda]

I wonder how fast this transfer is going

[olive sable]

hungy

[tender river]

sandwich

[fast pagoda]

120gbps cable

[tender river]

sand witch

thinking sand

[fast pagoda]

Don't think pixel 8 can get near that

[sage crag]

only sand

no wich

[hard raptor]

sudo mv /world/north-america/us/people/funyun /world/europe/nl/people/funyun

[fast pagoda]

Maybe 10 can use full speed tho

[fast pagoda]

Approved

[olive sable]

what about the wich? you marketed sand with wich

[hard raptor]

(If only)

[olive sable]

this is false advertising

[sage crag]

you dont get wich

wich is for me

[olive sable]

oh

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

My favourite bandwidth monitor is bandwhich

[olive sable]

😭

[tender river]

throw lossy process dont get to complain

[molten ore]

What is probably confusing is how languages express these ideas. Haskell people saying “inheritance” are usually talking about typeclass constraints — which look like inheritance but really aren’t. They’re more like polymorphic contracts resolved at compile time. No class trees, no shared memory layouts — just “if this type implements that behavior, we can use it here.”

So when you see something like:

class Eq a where
  (==) :: a -> a -> Bool

…it’s not an inheritance hierarchy. It’s a constraint system. Ord can extend Eq, but that’s conceptual inheritance, not data or method inheritance like in OOP. It’s closer to Rust traits than to classes in C++ or C#.

In short: in functional languages like Haskell (and in Rust), “inheritance” isn’t really inheritance — it’s polymorphism through interfaces, not code reuse through hierarchy.

- ChatGPT

[hard raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-aotc-stare-gif-2966073031808205562

[fast pagoda]

[tender river]

chatgpt

[olive sable]

???
could you dumb it down?

[molten ore]

wonder what triggers that

[fast pagoda]

Italics

[hard raptor]

Ohhh

[sage crag]

it’s not an inheritance hierarchy. It’s a constraint system.
its not a its b

[fast pagoda]

And the entire emphasis pattern of that

[molten ore]

Needed them to stand out

[tender river]

also em dash

[sage crag]

literary construct

[olive sable]

abba

[molten ore]

Regardless, i fact-checked it

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

axis bligned bounding aox

[hard raptor]

Alright time to listen to K3

[fast pagoda]

I swear they trained that bish to use em dash on purpose

As a joke

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

ne it because formal language use emdash

[tender river]

haskell people saying inheritance arent talking about typeclass constraints

they're talking about inheritance

gpt dumb

[molten ore]

Em-dash is great—it lets me structure my sentences how I want.

[sage crag]

haskell people are freak who use haskell

[olive sable]

no

[fast pagoda]

Well yeah but it can be ironed out through style preference and it's clear that's oai's preference kek

[olive sable]

absolutley not

[molten ore]

i even got the ctrl+alt+u 2015 combo memorized since I use it so much

[sage crag]

that not em-dash that just running hyphenated sentence

[fast pagoda]

It'll be the last sign

[sage crag]

wait

[fast pagoda]

Thing won't be able to shake it

[sage crag]

i have monospace font

nevermind

[olive sable]

dont replace spaces with -

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

The last defence against the terminators

Speaking of terminators that iron bot people thought was a person with. 1 leg in a suit is just a terminator

[hard raptor]

Why-do-we-need-to-not-do-that?

[olive sable]

i will remove the ay from hayleigh at this rate

[fast pagoda]

https://futurism.com/robots-and-machines/robot-xpeng-terminator

[sage crag]

hayleigh - hayih

[fast pagoda]

Doom speedrun

hlegs

New name

[hard raptor]

cries in tienduizend lucht ballonnen

[olive sable]

kleuren do horizon

K3 banger

[fast pagoda]

Pretty much 99 luftballons

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-im-no-ears-im-all-ears-horse-gif-4308252428337868305

[olive sable]

no, this is better

[hard raptor]

Oh the non dutch speaking people have no idea how peak it is

[fast pagoda]

I'm being intentionally obtuse

But also I do not know of the peak nice Dutch secrets

Except ein klap

[hard raptor]

I mean.. that is also a banger

[opaque sigil]

I can read your drunk german don't worry

[sage crag]

tost

tost german?

[olive sable]

K3 is basicly like the belgian national girl music group

[sage crag]

tost nesusland?

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

tost

go to m&s

[opaque sigil]

You didn't know?

[sage crag]

ne

[sage crag]

cheesus wont

he never will buy colin the caterpillar or percy pig

[opaque sigil]

wtf is that

[sage crag]

marks and spencer

shop

go

[fast pagoda]

Charles entertainment cheese

[sage crag]

ne cheesus is @native surge

[hard raptor]

And we had the Vengaboys

[olive sable]

we like to party?

[hard raptor]

Mhm

[olive sable]

absolute banger

[sage crag]

frog nog

[fast pagoda]

Is vitas part of the eurosphere

Or is he russian

[hard raptor]

They're apparently back lmao

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

russian

[fast pagoda]

Damn,

I still like vitas kek

[sage crag]

chip7

[hard raptor]

But belgium also has some good electronic artists... for example Dimitri Vegas.. and Charlotte de Witte

[obsidian mantle]

lets see if its actually fixed

[fast pagoda]

They vibe coded a fix don't worry

[hard raptor]

Funyun knows some lore about the last one there btw

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

I know too much lore about too many things

And too little lore about anything important

[hard raptor]

I don't really know if i should drop that lore in a public discord tho

[fast pagoda]

If ya have to ask

[olive sable]

my parents know the parents of a currently really big belgian singer

not gonna say who tho

[fast pagoda]

Me

[hard raptor]

How bout i just don't drop any names

[olive sable]

lmao

[hard raptor]

I might have a few ones in mind

Nah imma drop it

[olive sable]

[hard raptor]

I have dated Charlotte's niece

[olive sable]

huh

thats one way to dox yourself

[hard raptor]

Not really lmao

The fact that she is so big and almost nothing is publicly known about her family says a lot

[fast pagoda]

I'm the famous Belgian singer of a little thing called technotronic

[olive sable]

are you pumping up the jam?

wait

you're a woman?

[fast pagoda]

Contractually yes

To both

[hard raptor]

Wait so funyun is secretly a viable love interest?

For me?

[olive sable]

wow

this escelated quickly

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-gif-18932176

[real sierra]

[hard raptor]

Oh hey, my favorite belgian-american cat girl

[real sierra]

banter is fine but I'm sure I don't have to mention actual flirting is a no go

[fast pagoda]

If it were actual flirting I'd have vanished

I'm pretty good about that

[olive sable]

motherfuckers im suppoosed to be writing an email to the insurance rn, yall have distracted me for 30 minutes

[fast pagoda]

Some sort of natural defence mechanism

[hard raptor]

Nah if it was actual flirting it would've been in dms, trust

[obsidian mantle]

well... either it only applies after this update is done, or its not fixed

[fast pagoda]

This vitas video auto chained into a 2000s nightcore comp

[hard raptor]

Besides.. the hairy arms and legs.. kinda not my thing

[olive sable]

wha

[fast pagoda]

Truly high fidelity blasting this from my ancient phone

[olive sable]

excuse me?

[fast pagoda]

I have what's known as sasquatchism

[hard raptor]

Oh did i accidentally dox funyun again?

[fast pagoda]

Nah I do that myself

[olive sable]

wait

[hard raptor]

Nah, looked to me like just standard manly body hair

[olive sable]

you know him irl?

[fast pagoda]

Everyone has the capability to know me irl

[hard raptor]

Not really, but we chat a lot

[olive sable]

i see

[fast pagoda]

Come on down to my dungeonomicile

[hard raptor]

I know what he looks like, i know what he sounds like, i know his real name, i know everything

[fast pagoda]

That's how she knows I'm vedal

[hard raptor]

The dungeon? That's... an interesting place

[hard raptor]

Can confirm

[fast pagoda]

Sam probably knows my name

[olive sable]

i do

i think

[hard raptor]

I mean.. you leak it all the time

[olive sable]

you're the dog from that one cartoon network show

[fast pagoda]

Yeah from state farm

[hard raptor]

You are on the right track

[olive sable]

idk what staste farm is lol

[fast pagoda]

Oh right

Insurance

That thing you're ignoring

There's a character in a commercial

[olive sable]

the insuranc eim filling out is ethias i think

[fast pagoda]

Given that I also work in insurance it's a joke very often heard by me

[molten ore]

Jake from State Farm? The one in kakis?

[hard raptor]

Sam, how bout you go do your insurance, and just get some fries while you're at it

[olive sable]

its 1030pm, idk where id get fries form

[fast pagoda]

I keep forgetting to be him for Halloween

[molten ore]

you don't have 24/7 fast food nearby?

[hard raptor]

I mean.. belgian fries probably no where at this time.. but mc donalds is supposed to be open 24/7

[olive sable]

eh

mcdonalds kinda sucks ngl

[fast pagoda]

Surprisingly uncommon out of burgerland

[molten ore]

burgerland?

[hard raptor]

Compared to belgian fries.. i would have to agree yes

[fast pagoda]

My home country

Murica

[hard raptor]

I had mc donalds yesterday actually

[molten ore]

Ah, that is wild

[fast pagoda]

I want to speak to the person responsible for the mcdonal app

[olive sable]

i had mcdonalds maybe 2 months ago, but only the ice cream. we went after dinner lol

[fast pagoda]

Just have a chat

I need them to repair some issues with it

[molten ore]

I haven't had McDonalds in a long time—they just gone down hill from what I thought was the bottom

[fast pagoda]

They're the only thing resembling cheap if you can use the app

[olive sable]

ngl, didnt know there was an app

[fast pagoda]

Hire me mcdonal

I will break the app more

[molten ore]

cheap?

[hard raptor]

I mean, in the netherlands i only have came across one singular individual mc donalds that wasn't 24/7

[fast pagoda]

I meant 24/7 in general is less common out of US

[hard raptor]

I was so sadge when the peach milkshake was gone

[olive sable]

closest mcdonalds to me is actually still open till 11pm

[molten ore]

Last time I went, I ordered a cheeseburger and they gave me a piece of bread with the thinnest patty ive ever seen and charged me way too much for it

[fast pagoda]

Lmao

[molten ore]

one pickle

[fast pagoda]

They actually added an orwellian scanner functionality and if you don't go regularly they programmatically reduce the quality of the food you're getting

It's responsible for half the AI data center load in this country

[olive sable]

what

huh

[uneven pulsar]

what the hell are banks programmed in

[hard raptor]

Where are you from? If you're comfortable sharing

[molten ore]

Oklahoma

[uneven pulsar]

spooki

[fast pagoda]

Prayers

[uneven pulsar]

no but like, fr

what did the ancestors of the ceo's code in

to make the bank

work

[fast pagoda]

Cobol

[uneven pulsar]

what the cobblestone is that

[olive sable]

the frontend to get your money probably js, cuz it breaks all the fucking time

[hard raptor]

Oh, yeah i have heard that mcdonalds in US is getting worse and worse... here in the netherlands i don't really notice that tho

[fast pagoda]

Lot of shit is still Cobol for banks and such

[native surge]

ping in nerd channel smh

[olive sable]

hi

[tender river]

you

nerd

ping appropriate

[native surge]

wrong

[tender river]

[sage crag]

cheesus to broke to order from m&s

[fast pagoda]

I work for an insurer and the entire underwriting framework and interface for it is running in an ibm 3270 emulator

[tender river]

true!

[sage crag]

[uneven pulsar]

this reminds me a lot of database code

[fast pagoda]

there was a lot of drive to make those languages kinda English legible

[hard raptor]

Who remembers this?

[molten ore]

I just realized how small UK is. I checked Oklahoma vs UK, and there was only a 67km^2 difference

[uneven pulsar]

[fast pagoda]

Idk how it has evolved but Cobol is probably still behind most banking backend shit, airline flight reserving, insurer underwriting, business batch stuff

[safe path]

i love it when i do uv sync on a new repo and it says

Preparing packages... (0/507)

[fast pagoda]

My smallest UV venv

[hard raptor]

We should rewrite all banking systems in erlang

[fast pagoda]

Can't be missing dependencies if you mirror the entire repo

[safe path]

u are right

uv add *

[fast pagoda]

Based

I like to have a full feature set python env and then go ahead and monorepo with the entire npm repo in there

[safe path]

holy crap yeah, some of the pip dependencies have nodejs as a dependency

[molten ore]

you should see how ACH works

[safe path]

i think pyright is one of them

[fast pagoda]

Mandatory

Parasitic relationship

[sick owl]

You folks seen the new Steam consoles btw?

[fast pagoda]

Ach is truly epic

[molten ore]

lets write all these updates to an FTP server as a file and let a script that runs four times a day process them

[sick owl]

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachine

[uneven pulsar]

when they said "steam machine" I thought it was literally one of those thingies that produces steam

for like parties n stuff

[sick owl]

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamframe

[sick owl]

The dry ice thingies yeah

[fast pagoda]

Trying to explain to someone why that check did get "cashed" 8 days ago yes but no I cannot consider it received because it could still just vanish

Is not easy

[molten ore]

"Automated" Clearing House—what a joke.

[sick owl]

Valve can we get a version that stores dry ice

[hard raptor]

Companion cube skin when?

[sick owl]

You just know they're gonna do a limited edition like this or something if it sells

[hard raptor]

And otherwise we can always rely on third parties (hopefully dbrand since they awesome as frick)

[fast pagoda]

Nightcore every time we touch is getting me pumped to go pretend in gonna be productive and then get distracted

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/cloudy-with-a-chance-of-meatballs-enough-to-make-a-grown-man-cry-police-officer-make-a-man-cry-gif-15227532

[hard raptor]

Speaking of

[fast pagoda]

I cannot believe I have 257 apps installed like this things claimed it transferred

Hold on I'm listening to doktorspiele

[hard raptor]

Hardwell @ AMF 2025

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

Picked up my pixel 8 instead of the 10 and couldn't tell difference until I looked at the back

Upgrade worth kek

[olive sable]

[hard raptor]

Still one of the best nights of the year

Even though it wasn't that long ago

Had the VIP wristband and everything

Anywayz imma go eep

[fast pagoda]

Gn gn

I painstakingly pulled the ram out of my laptop thinking I'd add it to my mini

[olive sable]

gn

[fast pagoda]

And I forgor it's ddr4 until I was holding it

And I need ddr5

[tender river]

worst part is that this is close to optimal performance (more optimal would be to create a static array of strings and index into it)

[olive sable]

welp

i sent the email

surely they wont mind it being sent at 11pm

[opaque sigil]

any client worth using will let you schedule too if you're worried about that

[olive sable]

nah

[fast pagoda]

Year for free too man I'm slopped out of my gourd

[olive sable]

so basically they're hoping you forget after a year?

[fast pagoda]

Pretty much

I renew basically anything subscription yearly usually anyways so that's unlikely

[opaque sigil]

just cancel immediately and take the free year

[fast pagoda]

That part

[olive sable]

my only subscriptions are prime cuzits cheap and yt music cuz its kinda cheap and i use it a lot

[fast pagoda]

I be gathering free trials and just cancelling the auto renew

[olive sable]

i free trialed the yt music and i was like, for 6 bucks a month this might actually be worth it

[fast pagoda]

I did accidentally slip w/ Walmart+ which was super salty but I've actually gotten more out of it than it cost already so whatever

Because they gave it to me for $1 for several months and I forgot

Verizon gave me a 12 month long, $20 per line per month discount on my phone service literally only because I went over to the page to generate a transfer code (as if I were transferring my number to another carrier)

[olive sable]

i think i could get yt music and normal yt premium for 9 bucks a month, which i was debating, but normal yt i can just adblock since i only watch yt on pc
the 6 a month for just the music is mostly for the downloading

in terms of ads i can also block those on my phone if i wanted to

[fast pagoda]

YouTube music and premium aren't together by default?

[olive sable]

you can get music seperatly

[fast pagoda]

I have had music since the stone ages because of my yt sub

Oh

I refuse to use my music

my

Youtube

Because they killed Google play music for it

[olive sable]

its better than spotify cuz it syncs to what i like on normal yt

[fast pagoda]

And with that they killed the ability to just upload your entire local music library to Google music and stream it through Google music anywhere

So I don't use yt music out of protest

One day I'm sure they'll fold to my demands surely

[olive sable]

???

you can just select use local files no?

[opaque sigil]

i have too much music in my spotify library for youtube and i'm too lazy to purge so spotify it is

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

On one device and you have to have it stored local

[olive sable]

But then you can still stream it no?

[fast pagoda]

With old Google music you could manually upload it and store it on Google music itself as if it were part of the music library

Globally

Or have a sync uploader on your PC that auto added any local files that way

[opaque sigil]

rclone time

[fast pagoda]

And on top of that you could also redownload the original file from their servers

[olive sable]

Huh

[fast pagoda]

Yeah

[olive sable]

that sucks

[fast pagoda]

It was so much better

[olive sable]

im pretty sure if i just use the samsung media player i could cast it tho

weird

[amber fractal]

I still don't have the best solution to this, I just use Grayjay and download my music. I only really use my phone for it so I don't have sync issues.

[opaque sigil]

casting is different though

[fast pagoda]

Google doesn't want to be potentially responsible if you stream/store anything you didn't purchase so

[olive sable]

bwaa

[opaque sigil]

i'm surprised it took them so long to remove that feature

[olive sable]

Nope

[fast pagoda]

Homelab or some cheap server hosting the stuff via Plex (plexamp) accessible via cloudflare or tail scale or whatever

[olive sable]

if all else fails chrome-cast your phone i guess, use your phones' bluetoothif its an option

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

I was on distrowatch earlier and there's at least one distro solely focused on existing to play/store/stream music

[opaque sigil]

all roads lead to rclone

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This is some sort of skill issue but I haven't actually gotten around to setting this up myself so idk yet

I love rclone

Except when it gets my Google account screeched at by sundae pickle

[opaque sigil]

i mainly use rclone to work around google drive not offering anything

[amber fractal]

I know there is a jellyfin plugin for this app, I only use one device so

[fast pagoda]

I'm hard at work with my many .... Servers.... Roaring and ready 2 instantly fail due to misconfiguration

They don't even have OS set up again

[olive sable]

Does the samsung media player not support mp3??? I know it does mp4. This is bullshit.
Also wtf is creality cloud doing there? Im not gonna 3d print my music

[opaque sigil]

alma linux seems interesting

[fast pagoda]

Average android share interface

[amber fractal]

3rd party of course, but they have a few first party stuff now.

[tender river]

just what old centos was

[opaque sigil]

oh is that what it was

renamed centos

[tender river]

no no

ok its a bit confusing so

theres fedora -> upstream

centos stream -> more stable than fedora slightly lagging behind

[fast pagoda]

The box with the random GPU as a decoration has that rn

I've barely done anything wit- it

Because I just put it on there like yesterday

[tender river]

rhel -> most stable, based on centos stream with redhat patches and long term support

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neuroOS