programming

[sage crag]

no

[obsidian mantle]

why not

[tender river]

you can turn pi (or any other number) into any number rational or irrational by multiplying

[sage crag]

multiply pi by 1/pi

what do you get and is it irrational

[obsidian mantle]

noo i mean specifically here

[sage crag]

no, for the same reason

[obsidian mantle]

you get two numbers and just slam pi between them

why not

[sage crag]

because its extraneous to the proof

also that's not how proof by contradiction works

[obsidian mantle]

contradiction is when you "assume its true then .. blabla... 1 = 0 => then its false"

no?

ok then it really is extraneous

i dont understand my brain at all

its dumb but sometimes its smart

[sage crag]

the simplest proof uses cantor's diagonal argument

[obsidian mantle]

ooh i watched some video about it actually

successfully forgot it entirely

[opaque sigil]

You can add one or something at every decimal point to get a different number right

[sage crag]

non-formally yes

[opaque sigil]

Good enough

[sage crag]

well, this is actually just required as a proof that irrational numbers exist

and that they are uncountable

the proof that they are dense amongst the rationals is the simple proof by contradiction

but it requires that you have at least one example of an irrational number first

or have axioms governing of operations between rational and irrational numbers

[opaque sigil]

I'm glad I don't have to do theoretical math in uni anymore

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

so it unwraps like this

((lambda (f) (lambda (x) x)) 5)
(lambda (x) x)

((zero 5) 6)
(((lambda (f) (lambda (x) x)) 5) 6)
((lambda (x) x) 6)
6```

[opaque sigil]

I officially signed up for my thesis today btw
the implementation is basically done

[tender river]

i dont know any maths or programming

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

i dont know any maths or programming either

i know how to make clay pots

and how to filtrate water

[tender river]

i dont i can filtrate water with a filter thoughh

[opaque sigil]

How do you do that as a tv

[sage crag]

god forbid a girl (tv) has hobbies

[opaque sigil]

Be careful, don't want you to short circuit

[sage crag]

im already a short circuit

[tender river]

true

[opaque sigil]

True

[sage crag]

where is my complementary GOODONE

[tender river]

no nitro

[sage crag]

@opaque sigil

[obsidian mantle]

i think this clarified it.
i managed to unwrap (add-1 zero) using that

[tender river]

you can have this leaf instead 🍃

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

WRONG

[obsidian mantle]

oh and solution from another website features example where we add functions what print "hello"
and if we add 1 to this function it prints it 2 times

now i get it when you said its not about numbers

now im confused again

so if i want these church guys to work on actual normal integers

it looks like i need to define "one"?

whatever

didnt need this to make a chess bot

do you guys think the universe is deterministic in the absolute, even though its impossible to determine it

did this text im typing have 100% chance of appearing right now since the big bang

[clear sedge]

this dracula theme is pretty

[tender river]

its deterministic in the sense that its largely governed by laws that we can understand and use to our advantage, i don't think "universal non-determinism" even makes sense to think about outside of multiverse theory

even something as "simple" as weather patterns is incredibly hard to predict, statistics is very useful even for 100% deterministic phenomena

[clear sedge]

god how i wish i could do {[index] = value, ...} in c++

[obsidian mantle]

yet this stupid rain i had for 2 weeks was determined to appear since the beginning of the universe

[clear sedge]

HEY that's not nice

[obsidian mantle]

or wasnt it

[clear sedge]

[obsidian mantle]

sorry i mean weather

[clear sedge]

i'm gonna cry now

[obsidian mantle]

i actually didnt see your nickname when i typed that

[tender river]

deterministic laws do not mean we cant change anything, they mean we can study these laws and predict what will happen based on our actions and plan our actions accordingly
so determinism = good imo
doesnt mean everything is deterministic but either way we cant use laws we dont know about so they may as well be non-deterministic for us until we discover them

[obsidian mantle]

yeah subjectively to humans it doesnt seem to be deterministic, at least for now

[tender river]

human agency doesnt in any way conflict with determinism, in fact its supported by determinism

[obsidian mantle]

it is a part of it

[tender river]

"freedom is the recognition of necessity" and all that

to clarify, what im saying is - its not guaranteed that universe is 100% deterministic, but we should try to make sense of the apparent chaos and hopefully find some order in it the more of it we find the better for us

[obsidian mantle]

its very interesting but useless topic

because to see it deterministic you probably need all the information existing in the universe

to predict everything

which is basically entire universe within itself

or model which is 1:1

and that model has to contain this model too

probably dont need that much within any useful scope
it doesnt matter what happens 50 godzilion light years away from us

or does it

[mighty thorn]

RVC3-mini is actually going surprisingly well as far as my attempts as AI projects go

Nowhere near complete, hell training loop hasn’t even started

But

Neither of the datasets have given me the middle fingers yet

and they were my first picks for their respective types

[nocturne olive]

You gonna make your own pretraineds?

[obsidian mantle]

that word looks so odd

[nocturne olive]

"pretraineds"?

[obsidian mantle]

its supposed to be read "pre-trainds" but you want to spell it pretrainets

[nocturne olive]

How silly

[stark needle]

Rvc actually isn't even that bad to pretrain

[nocturne olive]

I guess
Still definitely more intensive than just doing the usual training

[stark needle]

Yeah

[mighty thorn]

Yup

[nocturne olive]

Hope you have some GPU power

My 3090 is property of NeuroSynthProject
-# Though technically I would lend it for cheap

[mighty thorn]

this mini one is just a scaled down test capable of being run on my gpu. if it shows promise i will rent the compute to train the full scale model

[stark needle]

kaine u can always use my 3090s for free

[mighty thorn]

damn

superbox just got out lowballed

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

If just I could afford to have more than just one 3090

Or even better, a 48GB GPU like a modded 4090D

[stark needle]

Modded 4090d would be so goated to have

[mighty thorn]

i want one so badly

its like not even that bad of a price for the mod

[stark needle]

At that point just get a dgx spark

For 128gb

[nocturne olive]

Ew

[stark needle]

It will be slow but still

[nocturne olive]

No compute and no bandwidth

And can't be put in my PC

[stark needle]

It has same compute as a 3090

[mighty thorn]

i saw sources saying they were like $3500 (in china where people arent scalping like they are here)

[nocturne olive]

Way too little for that memory

[opaque sigil]

Why not, put it in the case

[mighty thorn]

in my humble opinion as long as its moderately faster than straight cpu training its more than worth it

[stark needle]

True but it depends on what you are training

[nocturne olive]

Well I'm using GPUs already
So I would just like bigger and beter GPUs

[mighty thorn]

do you think pewdiepie will let me rent his 10x 4090 rig

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth vocal synthesizer

[stark needle]

Like the bandwidth for training a transformer is actually not bad

Since it's a single step at big batch size

It doesn't need to autoregressively generate

Like if ur gonna run a transformer yeah dgx spark is trash

[nocturne olive]

I think NeuroSynth is already compute limited on the 3090

[stark needle]

Have you tried checking how bandwidth bottlenecked you are

[nocturne olive]

Well as I increase batch size the time it takes to train goes up, so I would kinda assume it's a compute limitation

[mighty thorn]

3060 12gb 😎

[nocturne olive]

SMOL

Couldn't even train NeuroSynth

[stark needle]

kaine u got the power of friendship

[mighty thorn]

the issue is i dont have multiple gpus in my server so i couldnt test distributed training until it was already on your machine, and remote debugging sucks

[stark needle]

Huggingface accelerate my beloved

Build for 1 gpu

Run on many

I love huggingface ecosystem sm

[mighty thorn]

real?

[nocturne olive]

Either way, right now I'm mainly money limited more than anything
If I had the money I would just go and get a 4090D with a 48GB mod

But I'm still broke from getting this 3090

[stark needle]

Dude we all would get one😭😭🥀

[mighty thorn]

bruh i am gonna be halfway through today's college class by the time this finishes loading data

and thats only dataset 1 of 2

[stark needle]

libritts

Is that single or multi speaker

[nocturne olive]

Very samples

[mighty thorn]

single

[stark needle]

Damn goated

[mighty thorn]

i have another one for multi and binaural

[stark needle]

Binaural is crazy

Me when binaural is just 2 monos

[mighty thorn]

CHiME-6, which has 3d coords for every speaker and recording device in each sample

if the main RVC3 works im gonna be able to do asmr

like moving around and speaking into specific ears type stuff

[nocturne olive]

Eh RVC kinda sucks at whispering

It just doesn't capture the information needed

[stark needle]

Kaine isn't rvc diffusion?

[mighty thorn]

*RVC1 and RVC2 do

this is new ground

[nocturne olive]

Are you gonna add a breathiness embed?

[mighty thorn]

plus asmr is an area of interest for me so the final model will likely be specifically tuned to enable it

[mighty thorn]

idk how ill do it yet tbh

since most asmr has sfx

[mighty thorn]

the final audio generation part is

[nocturne olive]

Sound effects are the bane of RVC's existence

[mighty thorn]

[stark needle]

Asmr

[nocturne olive]

Not even vocal removal models catch them

[stark needle]

Imagine knowing how to edit the mel spectograms yourself to clean up audio

[nocturne olive]

Have you seen NeuroSynth yet by the way? It's kinda cool

[mighty thorn]

also i need a better name than RVC3. as much as this is a direct spiritual/architectural successor and they don't plan on making it themselves, i dont wanna directly steal their name

[nocturne olive]

Invent something new so it isn't purely retrieval based any more

[mighty thorn]

i mean im stealing vibevoice's method for zero shot voice cloning

they finetuned qwen3 1.5b to extract speaker embedding stuff for sample clips

im gonna use gemma3-270m

i dont expect it to be as good, but the point of rvc is finetuning so it doesnt really matter

[obsidian mantle]

how hard is it to get a grasp on ai to become capable of doing some projects on it

like you do

[nocturne olive]

Depends how deep you want to go and your programming experience

[obsidian mantle]

lets say i want to make my own neurosynth

(i dont but just for example)

and i have entry level programming experience

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth doesn't need much of any deep programming experience, all the hard parts are essentially done already by others

I just need to patch it so it works

[obsidian mantle]

[nocturne olive]

For many kinds of architectures it's mostly already done by others, you at most just need to put the pieces together

The most low level putting pieces together you'll ever need is PyTorch

Unless you truly need a purely compiled engine

[obsidian mantle]

thats encouraging

[nocturne olive]

They've really made machine learning easy these days

The hardest part is getting enough GPUs

[obsidian mantle]

they are not selling modded 4090ds in my city but i could afford it if they did

thats why im asking

i can probably order a delivery anyway

[nocturne olive]

Woa
That's some crazy money you got there

If just NeuroSynthProject had that kinda budget

[obsidian mantle]

thats what office job for 3 years gives you

[nocturne olive]

That's actually crazy

[obsidian mantle]

i hate my job i want to work from home

[nocturne olive]

How cool would it be if I could figure out money from programming or vocal synthesis
Truly would be insane

[tender river]

if only programming was like a thing you could do for money or something

[nocturne olive]

Wouldn't that be crazy
But I have no clue how to turn programming into money, nobody wants programming

[obsidian mantle]

i assume you need a bunch of projects to convince someone that you can work

or have connections

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, I have no clue how any of this works

[obsidian mantle]

actually i randomly got this job when someone invited me so i have no idea how to get a job

if i had to do it myself

[nocturne olive]

As far as I can tell getting jobs is just impossible these days

[hearty notch]

fluffy rabbit

[obsidian mantle]

its okay if you are still a student i think

[mighty thorn]

Getting a grasp on the concepts? Fairly easy for CS literate people
Getting a grasp on the models? Impossible

[nocturne olive]

Kinda true
Machine learning models have become black boxes

Magic stuff goes in, magically magic stuff comes out

[obsidian mantle]

how does it work?
you choose a model, then train it on your data?

[mighty thorn]

I normally visualize LLMs as something close to a pinball machine but I lack the skill to make an animation demonstrating how I imagine it

[nocturne olive]

Well you choose a base architecture, adapt it to work on your inputs and outputs, then train

[obsidian mantle]

what did you mean by "model" here

[mighty thorn]

Well that’s finetuning of a preexisting model.
You can also make a small one from scratch on your pc or a reasonable one if you rent cloud compute or are rich

[obsidian mantle]

and you do it from scratch @mighty thorn @nocturne olive

or

[mighty thorn]

Sort of

[nocturne olive]

Depends on the arch you're working with if you can do it like that

[mighty thorn]

My RVC successor project is a bunch of finetuning of existing models and some translation layers to link them together as one system

[obsidian mantle]

and you do it all without understanding how models themselves work

sounds like induction

it scares me

[opaque sigil]

always remember

[nocturne olive]

Eeexaaaactllyyyy

[mighty thorn]

I mean it’s like an opaque bottle

You filled it with your custom little smoothie

Then later when you go to drink it

You bank that the thing going down your throat is the thing made out of your ingredients and not a veil of poison

[mighty thorn]

Full RVC3 model is likely gonna just barely fit into an RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell 96GB

[nocturne olive]

Wuh

[mighty thorn]

Just saying

Full one is gonna be much bigger

[nocturne olive]

So inefficient

[mighty thorn]

Inference should only be 2-5gb tho

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth at training time fits into around 22GB
NeuroSynth at inference time needs 300MB

[obsidian mantle]

what is the maximum memory customer available gpu right now

[mighty thorn]

Rookie numbers

[nocturne olive]

*Efficient numbers

[opaque sigil]

what do you mean with "customer available"

[obsidian mantle]

uhhh

[nocturne olive]

If you count only gaming GPUs, either the 5090 at 32GB or modded 4090D at 48GB
If you count enterprise probably like 192GB

[opaque sigil]

amd sells a 288GB gpus

same with nvidia or something around that

[open copper]

[nocturne olive]

Rare Heir spotted

[obsidian mantle]

yeah i meant non-enterprise

something like

[mighty thorn]

gulp

[obsidian mantle]

below $10k

[opaque sigil]

does the rtx pro 6000 blackwell count

it's about there price wise

[mighty thorn]

Yes

[opaque sigil]

[mighty thorn]

Is best

[opaque sigil]

though

[mighty thorn]

I love RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell

[obsidian mantle]

its just 96

[opaque sigil]

there's the dgx spark too

[stray dragon]

for Nvidia gpus the biggest vram card they have is 141gb from the H200

[opaque sigil]

[stray dragon]

AMD has some 192gb and 288gb ones

[opaque sigil]

the b300 ultra is 288gb

[mighty thorn]

You could distill your new 12b model into 3b and 1b variants for Paige mobile app

[obsidian mantle]

they sell it for $36k

actually more wait

[opaque sigil]

but yeah, gpu cost goes crazy for the high end enterprise ones

even a100s are still a lot

[obsidian mantle]

so wait if 6000 blackwell is 10k

and 4090d modded is 3k something

is the math right

[stray dragon]

yeah

[obsidian mantle]

you get the same for 6k

it sounds like vacuum cleaner though

[stray dragon]

consumer gpus are wayyyyy better value, despite the state of the market

[opaque sigil]

keep in mind the modded 4090d has half the vram and is one gen older

[stray dragon]

that too

[opaque sigil]

two gpus does not equal 1 beefier one

[mighty thorn]

And is also unofficial hardware

[opaque sigil]

sadly

as much as i would like it to

[mighty thorn]

Made by scamming people with fake 3090s

[obsidian mantle]

i meant get two 4090d's

[mighty thorn]

But you know

[obsidian mantle]

for 96gb

[opaque sigil]

yes

same point stands

[mighty thorn]

A 48 4090 is a 48 4090

[obsidian mantle]

and blackwell is 96 = 48x2

while costing 10k

i mean its more cheap to get 2x4090

[opaque sigil]

no it's 96 = 96 * 1

[mighty thorn]

Well the thing is

[stray dragon]

separate cards run slower than 1 big card i'm pretty sure, the high-end AI cards also have nvidia's special link stuff

[mighty thorn]

Multi GPU stuff is less easy and stable than single GPU stuff

[obsidian mantle]

[mighty thorn]

For running models, not training them, a single high vram GPU is almost always a better

[stray dragon]

nvlink does not exist in consumer gpus past the 3090

[mighty thorn]

Cause overhead

[opaque sigil]

you can't break everything up onto multiple gpus

ML stuff sure, you mostly can

[obsidian mantle]

oh wtf

didnt know that

[stray dragon]

yeah they're cunts

lol

[obsidian mantle]

wait but

[nocturne olive]

Not a real GPU

[obsidian mantle]

i could fit 2 cards in my motherboard

will it not work with pcie 5

[mighty thorn]

Not if it’s hxm5

[stray dragon]

pretty sure nvlink works differently, i don't know much about it though

[mighty thorn]

Also nvlink is just not fast enough for distributed training

I mean

Technically it is

Since you can do it without

But it’s not that much better

[stray dragon]

surely they have some other tech for the big cluster gpus

[mighty thorn]

Given the throughput of modern GPUs compared to the ones it was built for

[opaque sigil]

it works yes but you have to go through the pcie bus which is slower

[nocturne olive]

Training too because each separate GPU needs to load the model weights

[opaque sigil]

granted for most things it legitimately does not matter

[mighty thorn]

Well no you can split it if you do it right

[nocturne olive]

It'll not be as fast though since it'll not be parallel processing then

[obsidian mantle]

when we talking "not fast enough", how much time we talking about exactly?

is it like 1 vs 2 hours or 1 vs 2 days? or 1 day vs 1 month

[mighty thorn]

Well yeah but if you aren’t a company it don’t really matter if it isn’t 10 it/s training, all that matters is that you eventually get the model

[nocturne olive]

Kinda
Either way for me 4090D 48GB would be more than good enough
Like it would probably give me 8192+ batch size on NeuroSynth no problem

Just the price is too insane

[mighty thorn]

See now

How about instead

You just make Neuro synth 8192 times larger

[nocturne olive]

No that'd be stupid

More batch size at the current model size scales way better than making a bigger model with lower batch size that overfits more

[mighty thorn]

-# wouldn’t it underfit since you don’t have 819200% more data lying around?

[nocturne olive]

-# No overfitting means fitting the data too well, underfitting would mean not fitting the data sufficiently well

Basically, if the model is way larger, it has way more parameters so it can just memorize all the data

That's overfitting

Underfitting would mean the model has too few parameters to accurately represent the data

[opaque sigil]

function too stoopid to do its thing

[tender river]

just like me

[mighty thorn]

I kinda want to mansplain the backpack contraption cause like talking about it but I’m on school bus so I won’t

[lilac badge]

common sense

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[lilac badge]

🤓

[mighty thorn]

I fixed the bad apple glitch so I’ll post some evidence of its existence before I save the patch

[lilac badge]

[mighty thorn]

RIP
Bad Apple Glitch
11/2/25-11/4/25
you will be missed

[lilac badge]

RIP

[clear sedge]

holy fuckballs my implementation is almost 4x as fast in release mode

i'm actually gonna crash out

[olive sable]

i am here

In "I am here," "here" modifies the verb "am," specifying the location of the subject ("I").

[stray dragon]

hi here

[olive sable]

no

[olive sable]

read this

[stray dragon]

i think this is wrong and it is actually specifiying the name of the subject ("I")

[olive sable]

i think you're wrong

[stray dragon]

i'm always right though

[olive sable]

you're only a letter, not even a whole ass word

[stray dragon]

so that couldn't be the case

[stark needle]

The training is not cheap and it's less stable

[mighty thorn]

You can’t fit in 3090s?

[stark needle]

Kaine

It's over half a million of training examples

That shit is NOT fitting on 2 3090s

[nocturne olive]

Technically NeuroSynth is a distillation
With the data source being Neuro's singing voice

Of course there's a lot of augmentation data that makes things better

But it's basically a distillation

[lament owl]

which channel do I go to for lava lamp tech support lol

[stray dragon]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1432287162753351802

[mighty thorn]

No I meant distillation

Not repeating the entire training pipeline for 3b

I’m not picky

I can’t even use the damn app

No android phone

[obsidian mantle]

emulate it

[mighty thorn]

Well yeah but

For every day usage

[stark needle]

Get an old phone

[mighty thorn]

Google pixel 6

Could get for $120

I mean I don’t have $120

But I could

[olive sable]

everyone in #programming is either fully broke, or has enough money to but 100 gpus

[mighty thorn]

I should get a pixel watch too so I can put Paige’s stupid face on my wrist and talk to her like Jarvis

[olive sable]

i have a galxy watch 4

so in theory it should also work

1.4 inch 450x450 display

[mighty thorn]

Beautiful

[olive sable]

gpu: Mali-G68```
not much compute but it should work if you cut down on the animations

[mighty thorn]

How-

How much ram

Does the watch have

[olive sable]

1.5GB

[mighty thorn]

That’s

That’s actually more than I was expecting

[olive sable]

so more than enough to be running the model

not the llm

but for the llm just use the phone sync stuff

[mighty thorn]

That was the plan

But

It would be really funny to try and run the LLM on the watch

[olive sable]

rememebr that the 1.5GB of ram is also used for system tasks

The system consumes about 0.9GB (900MB) to 1GB of the total 1.5GB. damn thats actually a lot

[mighty thorn]

Nah it’s fine we don’t need the system

[olive sable]

on my way to root the watch and install paigeOs

[obsidian mantle]

Build your own os which takes almost no ram

[olive sable]

[obsidian mantle]

Actually what does the os need to have to run it

Like drivers and shit

[olive sable]

idk, galaxy watch drivers

[obsidian mantle]

We are working with hardware that runs on 64kb ram

[olive sable]

are we?

[obsidian mantle]

I mean at my job

[olive sable]

oh

[obsidian mantle]

There are linux controllers on raspberry pi too but its something new

[olive sable]

the galaxy watch core system probably only needs a couple megabytes, but it has so much shit running in the background like heart-rate monitors and sleep tracking and blood pressure and gps and fitness tracking and shit

it even has an oxygen sensor iirc

[obsidian mantle]

is that core enough to run the llm

[mighty thorn]

Don’t need it

[obsidian mantle]

And can you actually make such os

I mean is there something that wont let you

Like you need source of actual os for it

[olive sable]

Tizen OS is open-source for parts supposedly

wear-os isnt tho

and the watch 4 is the first to use wear os

[obsidian mantle]

Can you attach more ram to the watch somehow

[olive sable]

its still based on android in some ways i think, so its based on an open-source foundation

[obsidian mantle]

idk duct tape ddr5 stick to it

[olive sable]

new ship on it i guess?

[mighty thorn]

1tb ram watch when

Gonna run DeepseekV3 on this watch

[olive sable]

the newest galaxy watch 8 only has 2GB, they havent even tried to improve ram capacity

[mighty thorn]

Tbh you don’t really need more

[olive sable]

it is Penta-Core tho instead of dual

[obsidian mantle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/967306892953153558/1389290987368742992/flex.mp4?ex=690b840f&is=690a328f&hm=49ce361ce2d702a0bdafaa5714ad8affaa7e3d9e0a2fb00607de1a5a794bb2d3&

[olive sable]

wear os lets programs stay open when you go to the home screen, and so every 3 weeks i remember to go to the hidden "open apps" screen to close them all

[obsidian mantle]

1tb watch

[olive sable]

watch with a 9950x3d and a 5090

all to run the fluid simulations to track your health

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAX2_mPr9W8

babe wake up, we have youtuber approved dishwasher powder now

[mighty thorn]

Every day I wake up and wonder how Samsung thought they would get away with the moon thing

[olive sable]

they just thought we wouldnt notice

"omg the s22 ultra takes such good pictures of the moon"

[mighty thorn]

Have they never seen a desktop background before

They seriously never anticipated someone looking at a blurry picture of the moon

[olive sable]

guys

the redmagic 11 pro is only 700 bucks

and its watercooled

[sage crag]

[

[olive sable]

]

[olive sable]

it even has a headphone jack

ye im sold, ill be putting this thing under the christmass tree

[mighty thorn]

[olive sable]

piezoelectric motor

its just so cool

[opaque sigil]

man, i really wish more companies would use under display cameras
it's kind of just zte and the couple foldables, yes i understand why they don't but still

[olive sable]

this one does

[opaque sigil]

yes it's a sub-brand of zte

[olive sable]

it loos so good

[opaque sigil]

i can't lie i'm very tempted to get one myself

now that you get 5 years of updates in the eu

a bit annoyed they took the china version of the phone and lowered the battery capacity and charging speed for the global version though

[olive sable]

my old phone is still hanging on, but after nearly 5 years its not happy

crazy how 5 years is old for a phone

[olive sable]

the chinese version has more than 7500mah and 80W charging?

ill buy one from aliexpress then maybe

[opaque sigil]

there's two, either 8000 with 80W or 7500 with 120W

[olive sable]

oh

the one i can buy online rn is 7500 with 80W

[opaque sigil]

from china? that's the 11 pro+

the other is the 11 pro

isn't this great naming

[olive sable]

what

wait

[olive sable]

this is the one on the local retailer website

[opaque sigil]

they took the worst of both worlds for the global version

[olive sable]

ooohhhh

[opaque sigil]

that's the global one yeah

mb i confused myself there

[olive sable]

the red 11 pro doesnt seem to be on aliexpress yet

i don't care about fastcharging, i just want the bigger battery

are they even being sold yet?

[opaque sigil]

idk

[olive sable]

We'll notify you as soon as it's available!

Plus, get updates on the REDMAGIC 11 Pro Early Bird Perks starting Nov 13.

[opaque sigil]

the global one comes out next week or so i think?

yeah the 13th that was the date

[olive sable]

welp, i have signed up for the early bird perks

[quiet marlin]

https://keepandroidopen.org/
pls spread awareness

[mighty thorn]

Oh is this Google trying to destroying sideloading

The only part of android making it worth using

[olive sable]

if they remove sideloading i might go to linux on phone

[mighty thorn]

I don’t think they’ll be able to stop people from sideloading tbh

[olive sable]

honestly i doubt it aswell

put the apk hidden in a powerpoint file or something idk

surely there are arbitrary code execution things still available

[young plover]

uh, that's not something I would hope for
you'll be able to use adb still

[olive sable]

i mean intentional arbritary code execution

like how you can have a different os on the xbox 360

[young plover]

Yeah I have CFW on my 3DS and Switch 1. I'm okay with that because

• they're not attractive targets for black-hats and companies like celebrite
• they're only exploitable through bootrom defects and need physical access
  An exploit that breaks security in Android is 1000x more dangerous.

[sage crag]

pinkponk

[young plover]

Not that I agree with google's stance on sideloading, I think that's stupid. I just don't want gaping holes in my phone's security.

[olive sable]

ye but thats not what i mean. i mean

you install something that the phone doesn't want you to install

with intent

not a hole in the security

what i mean by "arbitrary code execution" in this context is just all the code i want my phone to execute as a verified owner and user of the device

[young plover]

Yeah ADB will still work afaik

[opaque sigil]

it's called gaining root access (also a massive security risk in itself)

[olive sable]

ye

well that

its only a security risk if you make it a security risk

user error

i dislike the need for adb for this cuz i dont want to have to connect my phone to my pc to install angry birds without ads

[young plover]

Eventually more and more apps will be unusable on rooted phones because they'll require play protect with fully-secure boot chains.

[olive sable]

perhaps its possible to trick play protect itself?

[quiet marlin]

yes

but tbf mostly only money related apps check this(like bank apps, wallets)

not really worth it

[olive sable]

i have the dev options enabled but i don't think my phone is rooted cuz i need my bank stuff

[young plover]

Only if they leave holes in it forever.
It is possible to have a full cryptographic chain of trust for every piece of software that runs on the device.
Switch 2 is probably impenetrable since they fixed the blatant cryptography fuckup in the Switch 1.

[olive sable]

so its a hardware thing too?

[quiet marlin]

I have my phone rooted(and running a lxc container in background 24/7)
barely notice the difference, even most of bank apps I use works with some tweaks
the only thing not working is google wallet

[young plover]

Yeah, basically each part of the boot process checks that the next stage of the process was signed or trusted by the manufacturer. The public keys are fused into the chip.

[faint sandal]

actually a few of the 3ds titles were susceptible to RCE through online multiplayer

you could literally trigger a9lh on someone else's 3ds if you wanted at the time

[young plover]

Ah yeah the 3DS was exploitable from userland. Not sure if it still is.

I used soundhax to put A9LH on mine

[faint sandal]

it still is, but since Nintendo network for 3ds has shut down it's not an issue anymore

most if not all of them are patched through pretendo if you go online these days

[young plover]

The boot9strap paper is a fun read.

leave bootrom backdoor in and hope no one notices
screw up the signature checking code so the signature only needs to be mostly correct
protect sensitive memory during bootup but accidentally expose DMA registers which have unrestricted access to all memory

[mighty thorn]

God I hate Nintendo

The only electronics company more anti-consumer than Apple

[young plover]

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.00359

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1434774088999632989/1434774089536639006/Fatass_fumo_anim.gif

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

[mighty thorn]

Mfw I realize each of pewdiepie’s 4090s have 48gb

[ivory plinth]

@real sierra oh no

[real sierra]

nice knowing you

[signal trout]

wasn't rigged at all

goodbye, shiro

[ivory plinth]

[real sierra]

conveniently i became a moderator for the abandoned archive discord today

so its more of a relocation

[ivory plinth]

lmao

[worldly plank]

Congratulations!

[olive sable]

damn

[young plover]

congratulations for modding a discord?
💀

[olive sable]

imagine being in the abandoned archive discord

couldnt be me

[young plover]

The days of getting pinged every hour because another 10-year-old tried asking how to pirate pokemon are behind me

I'm sure someday Shiro will be free and happy

[nocturne olive]

I wonder if anyone here knows what could possibly be so wrong about my network that the lava lamp outright refuses it
Nobody can figure out why it doesn't work
All that's been found out that either the lamp or the WiFi is cursed

[young plover]

how is it failing?
not connecting to WiFi at all?

[nocturne olive]

Yeah it just entirely refuses to connect to the main WiFi

[olive sable]

dns server?

[young plover]

nah, WiFi doesn't need DNS to work

[olive sable]

i see

[nocturne olive]

It connects fine if using the same WiFi trough a laptop hotspot too
Like it only fails connecting directly to the main WiFi

If I can't figure out what going on I'm gonna have to get some cursed Linux machine just for being a WiFi relay

[young plover]

You mentioned yesterday that you set your extender's IP address and now all of your devices are under 192.168.129.0/24?
That does sound really suspicious, and if the DHCP settings are your router are borked that could be a problem?

[nocturne olive]

Wa?

I've never said anything like that

[young plover]

ah woops

confused blue usernames that start with the letter S and have grey profile pictures

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

If anyone wants to research, you can try to figure out if the Inteno EG400 has any specifics that would break the lamp compatibility

[obsidian mantle]

How does it even connect

It needs a password does it not

[nocturne olive]

Yes

The Swarm sync app is what gives it the SSID and password

[obsidian mantle]

How do you give it the password

Oh so you first connect to it with phone through bluetooth

Do you have some weird wifi name

Non english letters

[nocturne olive]

It even connects to a laptop hotspot that has the same password and SSID as the main WiFi
But then doesn't connect to the main WiFi

[obsidian mantle]

Nor numbers

[obsidian mantle]

Oh

[olive sable]

[obsidian mantle]

It just doesnt connect at all or it has no internet after connecting?

[young plover]

had a moment

[nocturne olive]

Doesn't even show up in the connected devices graph

So definitely doesn't connect

[young plover]

I wonder what chip the lava lamp uses

[obsidian mantle]

Hmmm

[nocturne olive]

Tuya chip

[young plover]

The router is broadcasting on 2.4 GHz right?

[obsidian mantle]

Want to say its DHCP but it probably should connect even if dhcp fails

Or shouldnt it

[nocturne olive]

That SSID I'm giving it is 2.4GHz-only yes

[nocturne olive]

I don't even know if you can configure DHCP stuff on the router
And other devices can DHCP just fine too

[obsidian mantle]

Is lavalamp the only device connected to wifi with this subnet

[nocturne olive]

No it's the 2.4GHz SSID of the router that everyone else also uses

[obsidian mantle]

Can you try disconnecting everyone but lavalamp temporarily

[nocturne olive]

I don't think that would help

I see no reason it would

[young plover]

WiFi just acts as the physical layer so it doesn't technically need an IP to stay connected, but the lavalamp firmware could detect that something is wrong and reject the WiFi if it can't obtain an IP

[obsidian mantle]

Maybe your dhcp giving out some weird ip

And lavalamp has some shit hardcoded check for it to be in 192.168 for example

[nocturne olive]

The WiFi should be just normal 192.168...

Even if my desktop has a weird IP since it's bridged

[obsidian mantle]

Are all clients of wifi under 192.168

[nocturne olive]

Yes I believe so

[obsidian mantle]

Doesnt router show it explicitly

[nocturne olive]

I don't know
But the devices show in their IP configurations as being such so I believe them to be

[obsidian mantle]

Ok ok then it is

[nocturne olive]

I'm not home at the moment so I can't directly check

[obsidian mantle]

When i connect my laptop to some linux based controllers they get dhcp'd into some weird shit like 169.147 idk

Maybe lavalamp wants that instead

Shouldnt be the case though

[young plover]

well that means DHCP didn't work and it's just the IP for the direct link

[obsidian mantle]

Oh

What ip does lavalamp have when you connect it to laptop hotspot?

Also can you connect to lavalamp somehow

Does it have some linux inside with vnc enabled

[nocturne olive]

The lava lamp has a Tuya chip inside as I said

An IoT chip of some sort

[young plover]

yeah I doubt it's running linux

[obsidian mantle]

You should check router logs

[nocturne olive]

I don't think it gives logs

[obsidian mantle]

What is it

[nocturne olive]

An Inteno EG400 or whatever

Seems to be kinda obscure

[young plover]

I feel like this page would still be unhelpful even if I could read Swedish
https://www.telia.no/internett/wifi/rutere/inteno-eg400

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[obsidian mantle]

yeah all manuals i found are in swedish

[nocturne olive]

All I found are in Finnish

Probably a device specific to the Nordic region

[obsidian mantle]

Anyway it probably has logs its just hidden

(not guaranteed )

[nocturne olive]

Well would be good to know how to access them if so

[patent shard]

why is the compressor turned to 11 on neuro-sama vids
it makes me not want to watch it, tbh

[obsidian mantle]

Hard to tell without seing available settings

I would just try different settings to see what happens

[young plover]

it does have a serial port
can poke at the router OS but I have no clue where the logs would actually go
https://openwrt.org/toh/inteno/eg400

[nocturne olive]

I don't have hardware to poke at serial ports

And the router is also stuck in a corner where I can't get to it

[obsidian mantle]

Thats some extraordinary setup...

[nocturne olive]

Doesn't seem that unusual, the router has to be in one corner of the house and it just so happens we've kinda built a wall of stuff around it

[flint dome]

went to local shop to buy wd blue sn580 1tb
guy had the audacity to price it at 100$ when even amazon is selling it for 70$

[obsidian mantle]

You need logs and just toggle some settings..
Logs could clarify which settings you need exactly

[flint dome]

also I have a question
I need to use an old router as network switch for four raspberry pis should I put openwrt on it or will default firmware be fine

last firmware update was 2019

[nocturne olive]

Would be kinda great to know where the logs are

[obsidian mantle]

You will have to log in and search there

[flint dome]

I may have to port it to openwrt though ngl

[nocturne olive]

Guess I'lll try once I'm home again

[obsidian mantle]

how is this old

Its modern

[flint dome]

is it

then I might keep it

[obsidian mantle]

i think

[flint dome]

just for simple network switch it should be fine right

[obsidian mantle]

Should be yes

[young plover]

$70 is still robbery for one of the lowest-end 1 tb drives

[flint dome]

bet I could get it for 40 or 50 at the pc market

or even lower if I haggled like a lowlife

[rough bloom]

default should be fine unless you need VLANs and such (assuming that this is a potato consumer router)
there's a very high chance that there's an internal switch anyway

[flint dome]

nah I just have to plug them into the router with ethernet and occasionally ssh into them remotely when im not home

[obsidian mantle]

Dont you need port forwarding for that

It wont be "just a switch" then

[young plover]

To SSH into stuff on your own network it's better to VPN into your network

You don't want that directly port forwarded

[flint dome]

I know, that would be genuinely stupid

[young plover]

and yeah if it's just acting as a switch that wouldn't matter anyway.
the main router would handle it

[true hemlock]

that shit only worth $30 at best

i could get a second hand 1tb for even $19 and it'll be even more reliable

(i actually did last time, still running well. it only got 20-30TB written into it when i got it but should last for few more hundreds)

[noble zodiac]

SSH isn't inheritly less secure. It's a matter of whether you need to have easy access to the internet network routing and how much you need to expose

[dull egret]

Dafuq???? WD Blue 4 and 6 TB, NEW are less than $150. How can a 1 TB of that, especially SMR models they use now, run $70??

[young plover]

sn580 SSD, not the hard drives

okay that's actually not as bad as I expected
https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/western-digital-sn580-1-tb.d1541
still wouldn't buy one for $70 after being spoiled by SSD pricing from 2 years ago though

[dull egret]

Oh, sorry, my bad.

Still not good, though.

WD Red NVMe is like $115 for 1 TB... So...

And that's like... WAY better writes

[olive sable]

arent they supposed to be 60 bucks per terabyte?

isnt 115 for 2TB?

its the sn580 nvme ssd right? 123 for 2tb

when i try ot seartch for the 580 on belgian amzon it changes my search to 850 so idk what prices are here

idk wtf this weird changing of search words is, but its kinda creepy in a way

oh erm

i think that doxxed me slightly

eh, just imagine the video of me typing sn580 and it changing to sn850

[obsidian mantle]

So stupid who does that

[olive sable]

i forgot they had your location next to the search bar

[obsidian mantle]

Nobody saw it

[olive sable]

i mean, if you delete the video attached to the message, people cant see it anymore right?

cuz i know there are things to see edited message history

[obsidian mantle]

I actually tried to find 1tb version of this ssd in my local store and they were redirecting me to 250gb variant

But its because 1gb is out of stock

[olive sable]

1gb

[obsidian mantle]

Quantum ssd

[olive sable]

must be a very fast gigabyte

[obsidian mantle]

If it was a link, mods see it in their mod-log channel

[olive sable]

just an mp4

[obsidian mantle]

But maybe discord uploads everything on their server

And its still a link

Depends on if discord deletes it from server if you deleted it

[olive sable]

discord has way more than my location already so

its mostly about people seeing it

[obsidian mantle]

No but mods will see it too

I mean we can surely trust mods

But still

I'll check in some other server where im a mod hold up

[olive sable]

surely shiro wouldnt blackmail me

[obsidian mantle]

Yeah it stays

At least for images

[olive sable]

erm

it didn't fully dox me, just my city

i guess its fine

[obsidian mantle]

If you suddenly disappear we know what happened

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

[obsidian mantle]

Idk if @Twins role has access to mod log

They dont have access to any channels i think

Did i misspell it

[olive sable]

imagine getting doxxed on stream cuz of a video you posted in the discord for 5 seconds

[obsidian mantle]

Why is it not converted to fancy @

However im pretty sure there is some extention for discord

[jagged turtle]

unpingable role

[obsidian mantle]

Allowing anyone to see deleted messages

now thats scary

<@&1061758877609234622> i meant this

Looks like desktop client converts text properly to that but android client doesn't

If its unpingable of course

For pingable doesnt matter

[sage crag]

wrr

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

muel muel muel

[olive sable]

iiiii

[sage crag]

[short ingot]

typical projects page. I have to scroll down to find new projects post

[olive sable]

it doesnt really work for your name

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

sort by new not an option?

it is

[short ingot]

theres date posted

but that sorts ny dates and the most active on the current date

not by newly posted

[olive sable]

isnt date posted exactly what newly posted means?

[sage crag]

pinkponk

[sage crag]

kurururururu

kururururu

kurururu

[short ingot]

^

discord has a different meaning for it, from using that sorting

[olive sable]

sorthing by dates is what you want tho?

[short ingot]

i wanted newly posted. And not sorted by whars most active on the current date

[amber fractal]

Sorting by date posted

[short ingot]

i.e. what post has the most recent messages bt ranking

[short ingot]

wait-

i just realized i was stupid for not checking the time it was posted

i just already saw most of them

[olive sable]

[short ingot]

so i thought-

[amber fractal]

Windows 11 you piece of crap, I'm trying not to install a MS account here so I can make correct install media so I don't need to enter accounts

[olive sable]

rurururururururururu

[short ingot]

have you tried making it from scratch?

Windows 11 tends to work more cooperatively if you just.., borrow the source code (TM)

[sage crag]

nomboard

[jagged turtle]

also it's very funny that 3 of those are non-game integrations and then neurobot1k

[amber fractal]

Of course, I should just remake windows

alright, the vm is installed and time to give back your network permissions

[short ingot]

and open source it! :D

[amber fractal]

If microsoft is vibecoding the os, so can I

[short ingot]

vibecoding can do unimaginable things to your repo

i can speak from experience

[jagged turtle]

[amber fractal]

These usb drives are so slow I think they took the usb 2.0 speed limit as something they could reach in perfect conditions.

[olive sable]

this code is so bad

[nocturne olive]

Still working on that game?

[olive sable]

yep

[clear sedge]

you'd literally die if you saw my gltf handling code

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[olive sable]

i doubt it

you see

i program in vulkan

[olive sable]

this code is meant to read a midi file and turn the drum track into animation

[clear sedge]

i program in opengl 4

[olive sable]

opengl 4 is nothing

[clear sedge]

i'm not masochistic enough to do vulkan

[olive sable]

😭

[nocturne olive]

Very silly

[olive sable]

numbers

these are indices for each limb

2 for the feet, 2 for the hands

so since its jsut a pedal for each foot, those jsut go from 0 to 1 if active, and the hands go from 0 to 7 if active

with fractional part encoding the velocity

from 0.0 to 0.1 cuz i quite literally just did * 0.1 to put it in the fractional part

now i need to make the actual animation keyframes these will be indexing

actually lemme eat first

[maiden geyser]

hmmm, not yet

[olive sable]

the problrm isnt the looks

its the functionality

when you have a midi file that jsut says what note is being played, how do you decide which arm is used to play which note?

[faint sandal]

i program in

[midnight sigil]

[ruby siren]

Do the lava lamps have an open API for changing the color / toggling the power or do I need to spin up wireshark?

[dapper kernel]

#1298035351432200256

[ruby siren]

Ah thank you!

[olive sable]

New parts for the printer

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[olive sable]

Filament runout sensor, new mainboard, and dual z-axis

Why does this need to be warned

"Oh no, we made the product too waterproof We better warn them"

[stray dragon]

clearly this means that if it gets dirty you have to dry clean it

[olive sable]

Really?

Like fr, thats what they meant?

[stray dragon]

no i'm joking

[sage crag]

t

[stray dragon]

hi konii

[sage crag]

hi t

how are you

[stray dragon]

i am doing well

i think

[sage crag]

no you dont think

you are t

letter t does not think

[stray dragon]

oh you're right

my bad

[sage crag]

not its not

youre the letter t

cant be blamed for your actions

as you are the letter t

[stray dragon]

buh

[sage crag]

[stray dragon]

i see

[sage crag]

how

[stray dragon]

uhhh

idk

[sage crag]

same

[nocturne olive]

Oh isn't that the same kind of AIO I ordered like 3 months ago and still hasn't been sent?

[stray dragon]

probably, it's a popular one

[nocturne olive]

Looks like the same one

Maybe they're having supply issues, not sure

[stray dragon]

arctic liquid freezer III pro 360

[nocturne olive]

Yep sounds pretty similar

I have no clue why it's taking so insanely long to be sent
I got mine on discount ages ago and it's still stuck in limbo

[olive sable]

i have to dissasemble the printer now to install these things

let the fun begin

[rustic crest]

3 days of coding and i still havent fixed a tts help

i hate this 😭

[olive sable]

They gave me a metal toothbrush

Wtf am i supposed to do with this???

[rustic crest]

why are you dissasembling a printer

[nocturne olive]

What are you having issues with on it?

[rustic crest]

it just doesnt speak

[nocturne olive]

And does it give errors?

[rustic crest]

nope

it just

it goes into a queue, and then it says "not today" and clogs it

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/punkdoe-flygohr-gif-22891450

[rustic crest]

ahh

are you installing steamOS on your printer or something 😭 \

[nocturne olive]

Have you tried stripping down everything around it so all you have is a terminal and anything you type to it will be immediately fed into the TTS?

[stray dragon]

it's a 3d printer

[rustic crest]

hold on let me try that

alright the test is working
but why not in my original code rah

[nocturne olive]

Then you just need to find what it does differently in the test case and real case

[rigid snow]

[obsidian mantle]

i mean i get it man, you have some experimental new update out there. why do i need to see this icon all the time

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

woah

an

[amber fractal]

-#

[olive sable]

[obsidian mantle]

is anything being researched on combining neural networks

like a bunch of NNs that do different things

and then you make additional NNs to combine results of those first NNs

and do something with that

because it feels like every NN is just doing one task and thats it, we use that

[sage crag]

uhh duh

first thing you do after making two bad things is shoving them together to make them better

[obsidian mantle]

what if we take two good things

[sage crag]

same thing

[obsidian mantle]

what about those decision making AIs

how do they work

idk what if we wanted a NN that can play any videogame

so we give it visual NN to read the screen

it forms some kind of output

then another NN distributes the result to other NNs, each with some specialty

which all do something according to their specialty

then these results get shoved into some decision maker NN which outputs to the keyboard control NN

the modular NN

is it a thing?

[amber fractal]

Why does this link need to exist now

[obsidian mantle]

not like there can be any problematic windows updates or anything

they test each update thoroughly after all, and do not use llms to build critical software

[obsidian mantle]

then you give it a real life simulation

then you give it robot body and tell it to play life

so google says modular ai is a thing

[nocturne olive]

How does one configure 2 routers in a master-slave configuration? Anyone here know something more than the lava lamp thread people? (yes this is for the lava lamp)

[obsidian mantle]

what protocol

[opaque sigil]

look up mixture of experts

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue, I have the second router's WAN port connected to the main one's LAN port

[obsidian mantle]

why

conect it lan-lan

[nocturne olive]

And why is that?

[obsidian mantle]

then you can configure "master" router to do something with that port

[amber fractal]

Off of the top of my head, bridge mode or AP mode depending on what your trying to do

[obsidian mantle]

for example forward it to the wan

[nocturne olive]

The WAN port is also the LAN4 port anyway so it's technically both WAN and LAN

[obsidian mantle]

the wan port usually has special set of settings

actually yeah you probably can do that thing

[nocturne olive]

So how should I configure each of the routers?

[obsidian mantle]

so you need slaves' wan configured as some kind of no-password-nonothing

depends on the routers i guess

[nocturne olive]

One is an Inteno EG400 and the other is a ZyXEL VMG1312-B10D

[obsidian mantle]

so this is what my router gives me for example

lets say i wanted this wan to be slave's wan that is connected to other routers lan

actually now i look at it idk what to do if i had to do it, it would be trial and error

i would leave it as is, dynamic ip. this way - master router dhcps slave router to some ip

then if i had to access something connected to slave router through master router i would uuhh

i can only think of port forwarding

i access slave router ip from master router lan

slave router port forwards it to the corresponding lan

or ip

[rustic crest]

bro what are you talking about master and slave lans bro

help

😭

[obsidian mantle]

it can also be done with vlans but im not sure if consumer routers usually have it

[nocturne olive]

Well at least the slave supports something called VLAN groups

[obsidian mantle]

yeah mine has it too

what are you trying to do actually

you found some router that works with lavalamp?

[nocturne olive]

Yes

[obsidian mantle]

you probably already have two vlan groups like wan and lan

[clear sedge]

modern java is actually based

[nocturne olive]

I want the lava lamp to connect to its WiFi, which gets its internet from the main router getting its internet from the fiber

[clear sedge]

jep 454 is nuts

[obsidian mantle]

wait have you tried to just run it

connect lavalamp to wifi

connect slave router to master router (100% lan on master side, try both wan and lan on slave side)