programming

[olive sable]

i saved it cuz ctrl+s is an automatisma in my body, i jsut never exported

[glad path]

i.py > d.py

[fast pagoda]

mod us all and have a discord mod bot contest

[amber fractal]

dead to konii monarachy

[fast pagoda]

most draconian bot contest

[stray dragon]

LOL

[olive sable]

maybe no full mod

micro-mod

[fast pagoda]

the day of the culling

[olive sable]

only mod perms in #programming

[amber fractal]

I'm getting wipped out

[open copper]

you could never replace neurobot
she is precious and powerful

[stiff mica]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 48 cookies! | I've received 256073 cookies total!

[fast pagoda]

winner has to defeat neurobot as a final test in a duel

[rigid snow]

neurobot is a she

[stiff mica]

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)

[fast pagoda]

fastest to process ban on the other wins the high noon

[open copper]

what else what she be

watch this

[rigid snow]

whatever she wants to be

[stiff mica]

• Heir (Queen of Ermcon) announced she needed to ban a bot and paused the conversation to do so. [Link](#programming message)
• Participants (afunyun.pt, mlntcandy, Heir) noted the bot was a “Mr Beast” style bot and commented it was annoying to automod. [Link](#programming message)
• A new user “l am” joined and several members (mlntcandy, afunyun.pt, t, Sam🔺) suspected or joked about them being a bot. [Link](#programming message)
• Heir and others discussed the ban timing feeling like ban evasion and joked that everyone pushed the ban button. [Link](#programming message)
• Heir and others (afunyun.pt, Sam🔺, mlntcandy) proposed making people mods for a council/contest to determine who has moderation power. [Link](#programming message)
• NeuroBot was praised by members, and afunyun.pt suggested a duel/contest where the winner must defeat NeuroBot. [Link](#programming message)
• Side conversations included Sam🔺 talking about accidentally closing Blender and autosave/export tips from mlntcandy, plus various emotes and Among Us jokes. [Link](#programming message)

[olive sable]

imagine thinking

[olive sable]

couldnt be me

[open copper]

she can think

[fast pagoda]

my god

that gives me flashbacks

[stray dragon]

think faster idiot

[rigid snow]

i can’t

[olive sable]

oh i have to rename the file

[stray dragon]

damn that worked

[olive sable]

time to open blender again

[fast pagoda]

because i put a thinking thing in to echo's client

caused me so fcking much grief

REEEE

[rigid snow]

amogus jokes

[rigid snow]

programming

[fast pagoda]

she sees me

i'm scared

[stray dragon]

i contribute so much to this channel

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-eye-tower-lord-of-the-rings-i-see-you-gif-25761843

[open copper]

she has flagged many of your messages in the past

[ivory plinth]

...rise and shine, fedora media writer. rise and shine.

[fast pagoda]

w-what how so

...

[uneven pulsar]

Useful information, thanks Demi

[fast pagoda]

listen my advice is to take your enthusiasm for ww2 history elsewhere to avoid discussion going to topics that are maybe not great

[rigid snow]

break 10 rules for neurobot to notice you (100% method)

[olive sable]

it would be cool if we could filter tatsu ranking for #programming members

[olive sable]

i want to see who is the king

or queen

[open copper]

she sees you

[olive sable]

or like

[fast pagoda]

OH NO

[olive sable]

monarch?

[ivory plinth]

SHOCKED

[olive sable]

[young plover]

server.ban(random.choice(server.users()))

[olive sable]

nah

[stray dragon]

run this once a day

for funsies

[olive sable]

gotta keep them on their toes mhm

[uneven pulsar]

I have a feeling that my message was deleted, but I can't prove it.

[rigid snow]

this would probably take a day to run ye

[young plover]

would be tempted if I still modded a discord with several thousand users

[open copper]

the delete button is new(ish)
I like it a lot. it lets us flag something, discuss it, and then delete it from the bot channel without needing to fetch it again

(tho if we need to quickly delete something we just push this funny button)

[young plover]

do not miss those days
maybe a little

[ivory plinth]

what

[stray dragon]

banning randoms for no reason is peak comedy

[fast pagoda]

mods sitting in their ivory channels

[rigid snow]

a list of members as a single value in a 100k+ discord, great idea

[fast pagoda]

just banning from the tower

never come down to the surface to see us normals

[open copper]

i havent deleted any message

[fast pagoda]

how's life in elysium

[olive sable]

the idea of a council is funny but i doubt it would be practical.
so where do i apply?

[open copper]

noisy
we have a lot of flagged terms that arent explicitly banned just to make sure we know if they are being talked about

[uneven pulsar]

Well, I wrote you a thank you, but I see the messages have disappeared somewhere.

[fast pagoda]

"this sounds like dogshit, i'm in"

[uneven pulsar]

maybe I lost it

[glad path]

interesting

lol

[olive sable]

[glad path]

anyhow

[ivory plinth]

well its still there

[glad path]

the server is proficiently modded, generally

[fast pagoda]

it's there

[uneven pulsar]

oh l'm so dumb

[rigid snow]

ping vedal

[olive sable]

[ivory plinth]

l'm

[open copper]

you dont need to do that im already here

(thats in the flags)

(those two words i mean)

[ivory plinth]

unping vedal

[young plover]

p1ng veedol

[hollow matrix]

ping vedal

[rigid snow]

that is a thing you want to know is being talked about

[open copper]

[hollow matrix]

[olive sable]

i remember me typing those 2 words in a sentence once and immediatly 5 moderators came in the convo like a fucking swat team

this was during the subathon iirc

[ivory plinth]

vedal is alcoholic; ping

[hollow matrix]

Chat Vani should open-source neurobot

[fast pagoda]

did y'all ever figure out why my server tag being one glyph of hiragana (the one for 'mi') caused me to be unable to post messages in this server lmfao

[open copper]

we have a block in place to stop specific characters from being used in names and tags because they will appear invisible which is explicilly against one of our rules

[hollow matrix]

Would you intervene if #swarm started spamming that phrase to repeatedly ping you?

[ivory plinth]

ISee~1

[olive sable]

banned, all of them

hundreds will perish

[open copper]

like technically that tag is at least 3 characters long (which is required for tags) but it appears as 2

which is why it gets blocked

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

み is one character though i thought, what else is it counting?

(im not complaining, i just am curious lol)

[open copper]

ive actually never seen what quarantine looks like

[young plover]

utf-8 byte count? unicode handling failure

[fast pagoda]

it has to be because it's not like it's rendered as 3 characters anywhere that i know of

[rigid snow]

updated rule 6: do not unnecessarily ping vedal or the mods, or say “ping vedal” or “ping the mods”

[open copper]

it might be an invisible space?

idk

[open copper]

[ivory plinth]

vedal ping

[fast pagoda]

yeah shiro and i already kinda were counting like wut so i just never heard if anything else came of that

[young plover]

Yeah it's E3 81 BF

[fast pagoda]

even if it's that though are those then invisible characters

individual byte wise

[rigid snow]

discord mention the creator of neuro-sama

[fast pagoda]

idk maybe if it fails it outputs null

which is then invisible

[ivory plinth]

ping and vedal

:c

[rigid snow]

maybe it only counts latin letters

[young plover]

[rigid snow]

like “anything that isn’t one may be invisible”

[hollow matrix]

So would this be an allowed name

[open copper]

like i can kinda sorta show you the block

one sec

[fast pagoda]

my guess is the implementation of it counts bytes (3) and then somehow tries to parse teh E3 81 BF rather than み because something mishandled it and turned it into just the unicode written out and then assumes well 3>1 there must be 2 invisible

but why would it count bytes lol

[open copper]

im safe sharing this because theres literally no discernable information to tell me why its happening

[fast pagoda]

kek

[rigid snow]

keyword: *

[fast pagoda]

matches: fucking everything

[young plover]

Most programming environments have terrible utilities for counting visible characters. Counting code-points is doable but still not accurate.

[fast pagoda]

so it's flagging み because that character appears in the unrelated username tag ban list huh

can you look at the list itself

i think shiro did and couldn't find it in there anywhere

could be misremembering

[open copper]

only admins and server techs can check it

shiro and i dont have access

[fast pagoda]

congratulations on admin @real sierra

[olive sable]

caching
im trying to upload a new version of a file but since it has the same name it uses the old one on the website

[fast pagoda]

[open copper]

you just woke shiro up

he was offline

[fast pagoda]

yeah i just realized that

[real sierra]

[ivory plinth]

oh

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

was waiting for a

oh tere it is

[young plover]

[ivory plinth]

hi shiiir

[fast pagoda]

sorry shiro lol

[hoary lion]

[open copper]

hi shir

[olive sable]

hi shiro

[open copper]

im here today apararantly

[fast pagoda]

we were talking about the weird tag filtering

[real sierra]

hello

[fast pagoda]

and heir is learning programming

from neurocord university

[real sierra]

oh right is this that one problem you had

ages ago

[olive sable]

we were also talking about making a council

[open copper]

well i want to

but like
i dont think i would do well in a course

id need to be taught by a tutor

[real sierra]

I learned programming because I didn't want to do my homework

[ivory plinth]

lmao

[fast pagoda]

the ban used to look more scary

found this from that

[amber fractal]

your fate will be decided by the council

[fast pagoda]

you can't do a per server guild tag now it seems

[olive sable]

having a council is probably a bd idea, but that just makes me love the idea

[real sierra]

ah yes councils

[fast pagoda]

the debates in there would be like 16 hours long and not resolve at all

[real sierra]

I love bureaucracy and hierarchy

[stray dragon]

you should have me on the council, i'd vote in favor no matter what

[hollow matrix]

Shiro HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[olive sable]

the #programming council ™ shall review your code

[fast pagoda]

"listen it was just 3 or 4 felonies, give him a break"

[real sierra]

a council would finally let me test my two person dictator plan

[young plover]

we could all wear hooded cloaks and sit in a dark room

[amber fractal]

why is your message a code output actually HOLD UP

[stray dragon]

you could turn me for against an issue by phrasing it "should we ban this person" or "should we let this person stay"

[open copper]

We were talking about how programming self moderates so it would be funny to just give them all moderator

[olive sable]

what? code ouptut?

[fast pagoda]

think of the poor baby spammerboy

he was just a boy

[amber fractal]

LLM

[olive sable]

oh

man i wish i was an llm

[amber fractal]

or mr.beast

[ivory plinth]

give programmer role mod perms in programming channel mhm

[olive sable]

llm's don't get their foot looking like a balloon

[fast pagoda]

just stupid fucking mistakes man

[hollow matrix]

Chat, do you think I'd get quarantined if I made my name this

[fast pagoda]

no thats all g

[amber fractal]

I love not having rights

[open copper]

but that means neuro and evil would get moderator perms too

[rigid snow]

or an online crypto casino, i really wish i was that

[open copper]

(they already do)

[stray dragon]

i think you should be quarantined, having that as your name would have nothing to do with it

[hollow matrix]

[real sierra]

how to win a majority vote with two people:

1. get at least (N/2)+1 participants to agree to a pre-vote, in which those participants will hold a majority vote amongst themselves and all participants agree to vote the majority choice of the pre-vote when the real vote arrives
2. continue scheduling pre-votes for your pre-votes in a similar fashion until you have a vote with only 2 people
3. ensure the other person in that vote is someone who agrees with you on everything
4. profit

[hollow matrix]

[fast pagoda]

if this gets through without escaped/sanitize, you deserve to stay and thrive

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

[amber fractal]

I see this happening

[olive sable]

if yall ever want to persue the council idea, hit me up. you know where to find me

[hollow matrix]

neuroNotNoted

[real sierra]

irl we call those pre-vote groups "political parties"

[young plover]

Throw a U+FFFF in there for good measure
the "not a character" character

[fast pagoda]

it's a gyatt damn criminal conspiracy

[hollow matrix]

[real sierra]

you laugh but I'm being serious

[amber fractal]

I know where I live

[fast pagoda]

i think i got automodded for gyatt before so i'm glad brainrot is uncommon enough to get it off the shitlist

[hollow matrix]

MODS I THINK SHIRO IS TALKING ABOUT POLITICS

[real sierra]

show up to your door one day

[hollow matrix]

[fast pagoda]

reporters when i bring up submarines in gen chat

[ivory plinth]

quick do the mod summoning ritual

ping vedal

[hollow matrix]

[fast pagoda]

fling vedal

[open copper]

[amber fractal]

mod sumoning sucessful

[olive sable]

ding pedal

[rigid snow]

i’m sorry heir i started it

[real sierra]

steam gift

[ivory plinth]

ving pedal

[real sierra]

image1 image2 image3 image4

[hollow matrix]

[safe path]

[amber fractal]

That's the mr.beast scam

[real sierra]

[ivory plinth]

lmao hi vanor

[olive sable]

oh hi vanor

[hollow matrix]

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

i withdrew $100.0000.0.00 after depositing $400

[safe path]

.ban birthday_shiro compromised account, politics andy, smh my head

[real sierra]

what is that username

[open copper]

[amber fractal]

The canon username

[real sierra]

[ivory plinth]

shiro_sand

[olive sable]

[hollow matrix]

I had to be saved from almost being timed out for a week one time because I put too many discord emote links in one message

[ivory plinth]

shiroCrownLoss

[olive sable]

[hollow matrix]

shiroStare

[fast pagoda]

[real sierra]

what in the shirogramming is happening here

[rigid snow]

[fast pagoda]

ok ban shiro

[amber fractal]

insert shiro emote here

[real sierra]

banned again

[stray dragon]

i vote in favor

[real sierra]

5th time today

[safe path]

if i rename the channel to shirogramming, will i lose my job by tomorrow

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wink-ok-everything-will-be-good-gif-2114822165065172568

[hollow matrix]

shiroBwaaPat

[real sierra]

pb renamed me to vedal987 earlier and I'm somehow still kicking

[fast pagoda]

lmao

[olive sable]

the council shall vote

[safe path]

but shiro, pb is the council

[hollow matrix]

But wouldn't it be fun while it lasted?

[fast pagoda]

pb is the puppet sun god behind the whole charade

[real sierra]

better stay at 0 votes

[safe path]

canonical poll

[real sierra]

that definitely says 4 votes

[fast pagoda]

[amber fractal]

we do that once the chess contest is doing matches (it'll never happen)

[olive sable]

i can vote on my own poll too lmao

[hollow matrix]

[olive sable]

this is exactly what we need a council for

[ivory plinth]

caught

[safe path]

shiro democracy dictates u get banned, what is your defence

[fast pagoda]

you cant ban me, i spend $0 on a boost and that's the only thing keeping this server relevant

[real sierra]

society

[olive sable]

objection! social construct

[hollow matrix]

Thoughts Heir?

-# ping vedal

[ivory plinth]

Rise and shine, Fedora Media Writer, Rise and shine.

[amber fractal]

[young plover]

[fast pagoda]

society is a construct of society

[ivory plinth]

society is society

[stray dragon]

shiro wants a vacation

[real sierra]

if you can't beat em join em or something like that

[hollow matrix]

smh does it not ping heir if the text is small

[fast pagoda]

putting this on my tombstone

[safe path]

-# ping vedal

doesnt work for me

[real sierra]

if you say so

[olive sable]

we did it guys

[safe path]

no

no

shiro no

[amber fractal]

shiro no

[real sierra]

you changed your mind quick

I wasn't actually going to

[fast pagoda]

you're supposed to use /pain vedal and yell it irl as you say it to complete the incantation

[real sierra]

what's with this lack of faith

I would never ping vedal

[safe path]

insert spongebob pointing at stuff meme

[ivory plinth]

cough cough

[olive sable]

we watched you ping vedal not even 2 months ago

[safe path]

can we get a shiro pinged vedal compilation

[fast pagoda]

vedal wont comment here because he told me he thinks we;re stinky

[real sierra]

say what you will, I've never been banned from the server

I am an upstanding citizen

[olive sable]

isnt that the bare minimum?

[hollow matrix]

Nah, it's because you do free modding for vedal

[fast pagoda]

ooh that's a good event for the modbot 9001 competition you are surely already putting to paper

[amber fractal]

when /mod-summon command for the regulars here (it'll not be abused but instead never used)

[fast pagoda]

haev oen of the categories be ddosing vedal with pings

[real sierra]

what's my message count

[fast pagoda]

who is fastest

[real sierra]

have I hit 300k yet

[olive sable]

thats just a synonym for wing tedal

[safe path]

259k including the staff channels

[real sierra]

slowly but surely

[fast pagoda]

that's all in shiro rp

[hollow matrix]

Smh mods hiding channels from us

[fast pagoda]

it's just shiro in there

rping

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[fast pagoda]

to himself

[safe path]

shiro-schizo-birthday-corner

[open copper]

i need to do better

[real sierra]

don't give them ideas

[safe path]

im cooking, what if shiro needs to type "happy birthday" in that channel once everyday to chat here

[amber fractal]

ideas form from reality shiro

[olive sable]

in 56th server wide, not bad

[hollow matrix]

Heir, new channel idea: #shiro-schizo-birthday-corner

[open copper]

ill think about it

[fast pagoda]

at how many messages does ones neckbeard really fill in i need to stay just under that

[real sierra]

let poor heir sleep guys

[open copper]

what if the april fools day theme next year is a serverwide birthday party for shiro

[real sierra]

actually let poor shiro sleep wtf you woke me up with pings and I totally forgot

[hollow matrix]

Yes

[ivory plinth]

time to set /summon mods to ping vedal

[fast pagoda]

every day is april fools

[hollow matrix]

[olive sable]

they're already the same thing

[fast pagoda]

[real sierra]

I'm gonna end up in the automod again

[safe path]

all shiro automods sends a DM to shiro

[ivory plinth]

but the former doesnt work

[fast pagoda]

vedal is the only human at the reigns at vedal.ai and all the mods are just failed neuro checkpoints

[real sierra]

did you know, this is already a feature! you can do it like this: @real sierra

[amber fractal]

Is this all it takes to be in the top 100

[olive sable]

we should test that feature

[safe path]

does this ping you @real sierra

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

and of course, vedal being Charles the Third, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of his other Realms and Territories, King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

[hollow matrix]

@real sierra

[real sierra]

[amber fractal]

lorge ping

[rigid snow]

extra loud

[olive sable]

ping

[fast pagoda]

plonk

[fast pagoda]

that font reminds me of a nintendo DS game

[hollow matrix]

Imagine if the heading size determined the ping volume

[fast pagoda]

i like it

[safe path]

that screenshot...

something smells fishy...

[real sierra]

my poor discord what have you done

[ivory plinth]

whar

[ivory plinth]

Scared

[real sierra]

vanor is mining Bitcoin on my phone

[olive sable]

nice

[amber fractal]

avarage programming behavior

[fast pagoda]

reminded me of nintendo ds system font

[real sierra]

🟪

[fast pagoda]

kek

[amber fractal]

I got several bitcoin miners on my phone

[olive sable]

huh

[fast pagoda]

discord is a quality piece of software

[hollow matrix]

***VANOR ADDRESS THE ALLIGATIONS neuroDinkDonk ***

[ivory plinth]

i c
its the font from the cod website

[rigid snow]

ye heir said because partnered server you’ll mod discord tos here. client mod ban

[ivory plinth]

dies_irl

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

rip Demi

[fast pagoda]

lmao

[ivory plinth]

[open copper]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-ego-ratatouille-gif-6125867

[fast pagoda]

right

[amber fractal]

Imagine just half the chatters dissapear if it was actually enforced

[hollow matrix]

smh client modding, who would do such a thing

[fast pagoda]

is it TOS to run discord in your browser and fart with the css//use browser addons

[rigid snow]

130k -> 30k

[olive sable]

im safe, im pretty sure. my linux client is from an AUR but it should be stock

[open copper]

not any of you hopefully :)

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-louisoix-final-fantasy-gif-15070709

[fast pagoda]

electron is cross platform

the aur discord is regular discord though yeah

[hollow matrix]

By that logic, you aren't modding the discord app, you're modding chromium

[amber fractal]

*firefox

[ivory plinth]

clueBed

[olive sable]

oh, you didnt mean that litteraly. that took a while to read and register lmao

[fast pagoda]

discord app is chromium

as well

[rigid snow]

what could the context for this emote existing possibly fucking be

[safe path]

stop dancing on top of fences, i'll shake u off

[ivory plinth]

react native start menu anyone

[hollow matrix]

That's what I just said

[ivory plinth]

[amber fractal]

Just hit it with a hammer and that'll do it

[fast pagoda]

this one is correct and normal client

[olive sable]

the clueless bed?

[fast pagoda]

yeah i was kinda agreeing but then didnt know how to phrase the rest lol

[hollow matrix]

Fun fact, there are Discord developers who use and have contributed to discord client mods

[ivory plinth]

behold

[fast pagoda]

was more saying like the tos rule for the client makes me think that somehow they consider browser addons bad too under the language there but i cant see how that would possibly fly

is your task manager perma open

[amber fractal]

How many of them are linux users tho

[fast pagoda]

i saw some thing about that

discord

[ivory plinth]

Whar

[amber fractal]

memory leak mhm

[hollow matrix]

Classic windows

[fast pagoda]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-windows-task-manager-wont-quit-after-kb5067036-update/

[ivory plinth]

no

[olive sable]

[young plover]

discord's gonna ban me for my one-line firefox extension that enabled OLED dark mode

[ivory plinth]

cpu eating start menu™

[fast pagoda]

huge extension

random stuff in wandows being so hungry was so annoying

[ivory plinth]

discord's gonna ban me for editing with inspect element

[safe path]

your one line is going to cost you a a life sentence in discord jail

[fast pagoda]

[ivory plinth]

dies_irl

[hollow matrix]

[young plover]

[olive sable]

does ublock adblock work inside of discord when its in web?

[hollow matrix]

I like how discord advertises jobs in devtools

[fast pagoda]

that is admittedly funny

[safe path]

ad blockers techincally does modify the page...........

[ivory plinth]

fun fact: i have been using windows 11
with a microsoft account
with edge
and not debloating

[rigid snow]

discord does not give a shit about client mods unless you’re problematic. like back when statuses were added i remember seeing a couple of people doing animated statuses while obviously hammering the api (like 1-2 fps !!) they all got banned and i never saw that again
the “client mods are forbidden” is probably to cover situations like that

[olive sable]

huh

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/sussy-encampedhalo62-gigachad-gif-10743321585748917777

[safe path]

mods ban all ad block users

[olive sable]

good thins i'm not using discord in browser then

im still subjected to ads

bwaa

[ivory plinth]

send help it took me 1h30 to get to the desktop

[hollow matrix]

Not if you just block the request that gets the ads, then you aren't touching the page

[safe path]

[amber fractal]

[safe path]

therefore we have learnt that everyone should just get a pihole

[olive sable]

what if i just block the discord and keep the ads?

[fast pagoda]

tracking data: logged
referral link: clicked
email: provided
vpn: off
windows: 11
chatgpt: pro sub
information: may be contained in a darkweb leak
norton: out of date but running
mcafee: scanning
office 365: trial accepted

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-no-cash-gif-25565154

[hollow matrix]

Classic windows

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[young plover]

found it

[ivory plinth]

anyways

rise and shine fedora

[fast pagoda]

oh yeah my fedora server went into boomer mode and idk why

[ivory plinth]

lmao

[fast pagoda]

tty is zoomed in like 300%

[amber fractal]

This was uploading to an S3 server btw, and that is a 8gb file

[rigid snow]

does anyone know is nitro res and framerate screen sharing without nitro fixed yet

[fast pagoda]

use rclone

[rigid snow]

haven’t seen that one in a while too

[ivory plinth]

yay- wait WHAT

[amber fractal]

not my s3 instance

[ivory plinth]

3 hours

[fast pagoda]

5 mb/s

[ivory plinth]

does s3 stand for "send for 3 hours"

[fast pagoda]

8 gigs over3 hours 30 mins

[amber fractal]

Correct ✅

[fast pagoda]

is 5mb/s

[hollow matrix]

mhm nice warnings discord

[fast pagoda]

i fucking hate this warning

[olive sable]

ive never seen that warning before in my life

[rigid snow]

the warning is good

[amber fractal]

the spam is not

[fast pagoda]

it does it in chrome or firefox but not both, cant remember which one

[rigid snow]

don’t preload shit you’re not going to use

[hollow matrix]

Well the app runs on chromium, so what do you think? Also

[fast pagoda]

it's annoying if you're still writing it and you are going to use it

that's a smol case ofc but i also had it once where it did the warning and certainly was using the resource

[rigid snow]

you add preloading after you add the usage

[ivory plinth]

googbye programmings i will see you in fedora live boot

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

it’s a last minute optimization step

[hollow matrix]

ass-ist

[fast pagoda]

sometimes i alreayd have a list of things i know i will use so ill just do it

[olive sable]

im gonna finish uploading this blender file, cuz yall distaracted me for 2 hours.

[fast pagoda]

me

[rigid snow]

i slep

[fast pagoda]

i need to finish this os install ive been ignoring

[hollow matrix]

NOPE slep

[olive sable]

where's the clip of vedal saying "ME" when you need it?

[fast pagoda]

me sitting down to keep chatting when i know i need to be in the other room to even remember to do what i was doing

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HTsseNG-No

close enough

[hollow matrix]

The first letter of my discord token is "d" if anyone wanted it

[olive sable]

🇩

[amber fractal]

I need to finish my cloud box now that I have an ISO file to boot from

[olive sable]

i need to finish so many things ngl

[fast pagoda]

sheesh

[olive sable]

i bought that domain but i still havent set the cloudflare tunnel up properly

[fast pagoda]

custom image? no upload from the source already up probably on s3 ? idk if it's possible to do that in this case but ive done this

not w/ s3 but like gcloud

[young plover]

cracking your account now

[amber fractal]

It gave me an upload link to curl into or file upload

the file upload had no precentage so I opted for curl

[fast pagoda]

thanks for the token nerd now i've got your ip address see it's 192.168.1.1

[hollow matrix]

[fast pagoda]

and you're... in my house?!?!?

[olive sable]

me when my ip adres isnt even 192, it starts with 127

[young plover]

only 2^16 IP addresses on his network?
real winners use 10.0.0.0/8

[hollow matrix]

I'm pinging you

[olive sable]

hey stop pinging me

[amber fractal]

why am I getting pings

[young plover]

ping 255.255.255.255
time to ping everyone

[olive sable]

no

pinging the cold fish is banned

[hollow matrix]

smh

[olive sable]

first we need him to give us his ip adress so we can avoid pinging him

[fast pagoda]

holy shit he's using hacking to conceal his servversz

[hollow matrix]

ping vedal

Hey heir, do you know what vedal's ip is?

[olive sable]

[open copper]

no

[hollow matrix]

[young plover]

imagine having a firewall and blocking broadcasts
pings from suspicious alibaba servers build character

[amber fractal]

Chat, I have very bad news...

[olive sable]

this is moderator abuse at this point

poor heir

[hollow matrix]

[amber fractal]

gnome is not loading

[fast pagoda]

(192.* and 10.* and others are private namespace and are not unique)

aka not doxxing

before i get particle beamed

[olive sable]

isnt 192 for local lan?

idk

[fast pagoda]

192.168.0.0/16 172.16.0.0/12 10.0.0.0/8 spaces are not routable

they are only internal

[young plover]

So you can set your private network to have 16777216 IPs for the lols

[fast pagoda]

like lans

[amber fractal]

yeah it is, thunderbolt uses that range

[fast pagoda]

so yeah

[olive sable]

my router be like: 192.168.0.1
actually i think its on 192.168.129.1 rn for some reason

idk why

[fast pagoda]

dhcp be like

[olive sable]

i think it has to do with the xbox one not being able to connect to the wifi extender

[amber fractal]

I'm going to have to throw another iso up there

[fast pagoda]

costcut wireless

[olive sable]

i rememebr settign that wifi extender to 129, i guess the entire network decided to use it

[amber fractal]

I can't get to the CLI option before autoboot starts

[olive sable]

we're doing wired in the floor as soon as the renovations start, which means im out of luck and by the time it will be wired i will have moved out

[young plover]

lol, yeah you're not supposed to set up DHCP on an extender

[olive sable]

i turned dhcp off on that extender

but the xbox still coundt connect to it

[amber fractal]

Also I have a very important typo to fix. It was 4gb

[olive sable]

so then i set the ip for that extender to 129 so that it didnt have problem with connecting

idk

its a shitty extender

[amber fractal]

@fast pagoda 2.5mb per second

[olive sable]

tp link archer c6 iirc

[fast pagoda]

noice

they nust've had the same ideas and shared them with micro$oft earlier

since they gave me like 56k download speed for updates on my mini pc

when it's on ethernet and the connection is fine

this number is smaller than i remember but this has been downloading for literally 3 weeks

thunderbird

and no i will not prevent thunderbird from downloading every message

[amber fractal]

let me not dox that

[fast pagoda]

it was cut off

[amber fractal]

Better

[fast pagoda]

but yeah i got spooked

i dont think it fully went out though

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

i sent you a dm

to help your sanity

[olive sable]

oh i see why my blender file is large. im not using a png, this is a psd file

and im on linux so i cant fix it

wait i have a picture of it here

fixed

200MB to 800KB

[hollow matrix]

Chat, you get the second character 👍

[amber fractal]

echo mention

[olive sable]

chat

[ivory plinth]

Wokege~1

[olive sable]

i uploaded the file before reducing the size 250 times

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[olive sable]

anyways i uploaded it

its time to watch some anime and to get drageed to the hospital in a bit probably

im fine, dont worry about it

they want to take me cuz the meds i got prescribed didn't have an effect yet, eventho its only been 2 days

[young plover]

tide prompt
bash

[hollow matrix]

As of the latest update, the windows terminal now has a built-in text editor. Took them fucking long enough https://github.com/microsoft/edit

[worldly plank]

Better late than never.

[amber fractal]

I edit you into a sightly garbled version of yourself (the power went out while I was saving the file)

[fast pagoda]

edit has been around since the 90s

EDIT.COM

[olive sable]

jsut use paint

[fast pagoda]

is that different

[olive sable]

or notepad. i meant notepad but i typed paint idk

[fast pagoda]

oh it is

[hollow matrix]

You can also get it for linux and macos if you prefer to use an editor with no syntax highlighing over nano or neovim

[fast pagoda]

it pay homage to the old one tho

[amber fractal]

paint for text editing

[fast pagoda]

the old one didnt really go away i think ive used it in liek windows 10

i could be totally hallucinatiing

but im pretty sure i pulled it up at least once just to see if it was still around

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/text-drawing-doodle-words-phrase-gif-20746002

[hollow matrix]

They removed it at some point along the line and only brought it back very recently

[fast pagoda]

wtf microsoft

[olive sable]

anyways, bye

[fast pagoda]

awa

i need to go like i said as well kek

[olive sable]

awa

[amber fractal]

15%

awa

[fast pagoda]

instead of | cat try it with > file and see if that improves

[amber fractal]

I'd have to reset the entire thing

[fast pagoda]

it has vscode controls which means it's superior to vi-family

[fast pagoda]

if it's going that slow

there's no bottleneck

you could proabbly do in another terminal

and it would still be faster

[hollow matrix]

Ok, but it has no syntax highlighting

[fast pagoda]

if it's gonna be faster

[fast pagoda]

[hollow matrix]

Are you an emacs person?

[young plover]

It really shouldn't unless your shell is totally borked

[amber fractal]

nyope, still balls slow

[fast pagoda]

rip

[hollow matrix]

I've always found this so funny

[fast pagoda]

a great one

google easter eggs blow normies minds btw if you ever show them

like cause google to flip and they shit their pants

[hollow matrix]

The google easter eggs can be very fun

[patent shard]

could be seen as a "see also", I guess

[hollow matrix]

Like the minecraft one

[fast pagoda]

sublime text (vscode copied for a lot of the defaults)

vim i have a hard time with because i am too stupid to handle modal editors well (aka not used to it)

[hollow matrix]

Ok, but sublime text has really a small amount shitty text suggestions that make it far slower then vscode

[fast pagoda]

well, i didnt mean to imply sublime is better than vscode

more just acknowledging that saying vscode keybinds is not really tru since it took them from somwhere

[hollow matrix]

[fast pagoda]

i think maybe ctrl + arrow keys to move around by entire words is an emacs original?

[hollow matrix]

maybe

What do I select?

[fast pagoda]

it's a wizard

so if no plans

then pick no

[hollow matrix]

[faint sandal]

it's a wizard harry

[fast pagoda]

i hope they never change debconf ui

efrom that ncurses pink eye searer

well

pink isnt guaranteed idk whhy it's pink this time

ncurses though

very spooky looking

[hollow matrix]

Emacs does let you navigate words with ctrl+arrows so maybe

[fast pagoda]

emacs is cool but i would probably like it more if i were were a lisp overlord

[worldly plank]

Does anyone have any idea how the level files for Quest Through the Harrison Temple works?

[olive sable]

i lied

they want to scan my bloodflow or something

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure they're just Unity scenes

[tender helm]

I'm sorry, I don't know either

😩

[mighty thorn]

Neuro-Sama

[maiden geyser]

WHAT

[jagged turtle]

?

[obsidian mantle]

how do you know this name

[hearty notch]

nurosama

[faint sandal]

have they not heard of target="_blank"

[opaque sigil]

[mighty thorn]

I’m gonna make RVC3 myself

Tired of waiting

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

Im back

[mighty thorn]

Is the RVC title, like, trademarked

Can I call it RVC3-mini

Biggest improvements I can think of off the top of my head are whisper v3 encoding, top-4 gated retrieval, 48khz native with a secondary mode for 16khz binaural, and iSTFTNet decoding

[nocturne olive]

It's cancelled
We get spin embedders for RVC2 instead

I*ve deprecated RVC anyway, it's useless

Vocal synthesis for everyone

[mighty thorn]

So does that mean I won’t get sued

[nocturne olive]

It means there's no point

Just go do vocal synthesis instead

[mighty thorn]

I’ll prove them all wrong

[nocturne olive]

Seems a bit silly
Why do you even need better RVC?

[mighty thorn]

RVC voice merging is good

But RVC is not

If RVC was good

And RVC voice merging was good

It would be double good

[nocturne olive]

RVC is useless now anyway, I've deprecated it fully in favor of vocal synthesis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjEkksmofgo
This is how cool vocal synthesis is

[mighty thorn]

I got to be honest with you

That’s way way way better for singing

I agree

But for speech?

It would sound like a soundboard

[nocturne olive]

We have a tool for that, it's called TTS

But you can also make a vocal synthesizer speak just fine

This is not UTAU, it can do really powerful stuff

[mighty thorn]

I’m curious now, Is this the same tech vocoflex uses?

[nocturne olive]

Vocoflex?

[mighty thorn]

Cause that shit has insane voice merging

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth's tech stack is not revealed yet
We will reveal it on release

[mighty thorn]

I mean you don’t have to divulge specifics to me

Hell vocoflex doesn’t release specifics either

I’m just finishing for a general yes/no answer of is it closer to that than it is to rvc

[nocturne olive]

Anything about NeuroSynth's inner workings is currently NeuroSynthProject confidential information

But it is a real vocal synthesizer

Uses machine learning

[mighty thorn]

Good enough for me

[nocturne olive]

That is as much as I can say for now

[mighty thorn]

I should become a real life computer

Learn how to decode QR codes and mine bitcoin

[mighty thorn]

I wish your project luck

[nocturne olive]

It's progressing well, we recently added Japanese support

So now it does stuff like this

[maiden geyser]

how do they even do that

[obsidian mantle]

i dont get why 1 turns into 2

fucking lisp

it got lambda with no argument, what is it supposed to do?

also fucking ((((((

who invented this shit

[tender river]

its not called its just a lambda

if you add one more pair of parentheses around you're calling the lambda with 0 args

but as is you arent calling the outer lambda

[tender river]

john mccarthy

[obsidian mantle]

so this turns into this

[flint dome]

they done shot my boy enderman

he got terminated

[obsidian mantle]

kind of makes sense when i wrote it like this

[tender river]

theres so much boilerplate because of scheme's strictness

[obsidian mantle]

or does it

so lambdas get unwrapped in the opposite order?
first outside then inside

[flint dome]

guy who made the noescape.exe and stuffed windows 10 into floppy disks

[obsidian mantle]

no it makes no sense

lambda takes f but returns x

((lambda (f) (lambda (x) x)) f)

turns into f

why

[tender river]

it does not

[obsidian mantle]

i take f, throw it in the garbage because (lambda (x) x) has no f

[tender river]

i think you made a mistake during substitution

[obsidian mantle]

probably

i get extra parentheses

comparing to example and solution

[tender river]

its easier when you use the original notation
||zero = λfx. x
succ = λnfx. f (n f x)
succ zero = (λnfx. f (n f x)) (λfx. x)
succ zero = λfx. f ((λfx. x) f x)
succ zero = λfx. f x||

[obsidian mantle]

original as in

george orwell's book 1984? or whoever invented lambda

[tender river]

the notation alonzo church invented

[obsidian mantle]

tbh doesnt look easier at all

[tender river]

less letters

easier

[obsidian mantle]

it probably needs a paragraph of definition what is f, what is x, what is zero, what is succ, what is n

but itself its short yes

[tender river]

well, zero is already there

λfx. x

[obsidian mantle]

where

[tender river]

λfx. x is zero

[obsidian mantle]

spacebar?

[tender river]

the term itself

[obsidian mantle]

i dont see it

[tender river]

its a function that takes 2 arguments and returns the second one

thats zero

[obsidian mantle]

what are arguments there

[tender river]

doesnt matter

it just returns the second argument

[obsidian mantle]

and if i give it 2 as second argument

it returns 2

[tender river]

mhm

[obsidian mantle]

but we are going to give it

zero somewhere else?

[tender river]

no it is zero by itself

[obsidian mantle]

so zero will return 2

and its zero

[tender river]

yes

because the function is zero, not its return value is zero

the point here is you dont really care about how numbers work, what you want is being able to perform some operations on them

and representing numbers as successive compositions of a function f (0 = identity, 1 = f, 2 = f . f, 3 = f . f . f) gives you all you need to encode the rest of maths

[obsidian mantle]

i mean i get why lambda (x) x returns x
i dont get what happens here (lambda (f) (lambda (x) x))

[tender river]

its just a function that returns another function that returns its argument as is

are you familiar with induction?

proofs by induction

[obsidian mantle]

im bad at it

[sage crag]

def outer(f):
  def inner(x):
    return x
  return inner

[obsidian mantle]

if i call it like this
(lambda (f) (lambda (x) x)) 5

[sage crag]

ohh that notation for composition

[obsidian mantle]

it unrwaps to (lambda (x) x)) 5

[sage crag]

my bad

[obsidian mantle]

does it? or no

[tender river]

not exactly
((lambda (f) (lambda (x) x)) 5)
is (lambda (x) x)

(((lambda (f) (lambda (x) x)) 5) 6)
is 6

[obsidian mantle]

[tender river]

this definition of natural numbers allows you to perform any operation you would do with natural numbers but i guess i can understand why it would be hard to think about

[sage crag]

outer(5)(6) work same

[obsidian mantle]

so to print 0 i will still have to give it 0

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

as number

[sage crag]

[tender river]

if you want to read it back to a form that can be pretty printed, yes

its not necessary for computing

only necessary if you want to convert it to your language's integer representation

[obsidian mantle]

why do i need that construction then

[tender river]

you dont, its not for you to use

its for you to understand

[sage crag]

yee definition of natural numbers is the same as the definition of a successor function

which in turn allows the definition of any higher order natural number operation

[obsidian mantle]

oooh its from that category of things like

define blue color

or define nothingness

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

or define define

[tender river]

its useful for programming if you care about proofs by induction and stuff like that

[obsidian mantle]

without having define

[tender river]

or if you care about fundamental structures we can use for representing knowledge

but its not something you just use in your average web server

[obsidian mantle]

why when i have a problem it always comes to induction

[sage crag]

because induction is useful

and one of the most primitive forms of proof

[obsidian mantle]

i dont even see how whole this "define zero" situation connected to induction

[tender river]

data Nat =
  | Zero
  | Succ n

add n Zero = n
add n (Succ m) = add (Succ n) m

heres example of how you'd implement addition if you only have "zero" and "successor of another number"

[obsidian mantle]

what is succ?

[sage crag]

successor

[tender river]

successor

next number

[sage crag]

N + 1

[tender river]

so Succ Zero is 1, Succ (Succ Zero) is 2

[sage crag]

where 1 is defined as the unit quantity

[tender river]

[obsidian mantle]

kind of depressing

[sage crag]

peano arithmetic not depressing

just accepted definition of natural numbers

gets more interesting when you move to uncountable sets

[obsidian mantle]

nah i will probably die of old age when i get there

[sage crag]

technically nothing to do with numbers though 🤔

peano arithmetic holds true for any countable set

[opaque sigil]

*ordered

[sage crag]

true

if unordered there is no successor function

wrr

[tender river]

totally ordered set

[sage crag]

well, it has to be both ordered and countable

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

spiteful pedantism

comparability is for nerds

[tender river]

[sage crag]

linear orrderrrringgg

turns out for natural numbers to be defined you need a set with the properties of the natural numbers

[tender river]

i like semirings

big fan

[sage crag]

why wear semiring

[tender river]

[sage crag]

seems like it would fall off

[tender river]

na glue

[sage crag]

you are leaf

glue where

[tender river]

glue to leaf

[sage crag]

we havent defined "outside of leaf"

[tender river]

outside of leaf end of observable universe

[sage crag]

information regarding leaf is entirely within the domain of leaf

no evidence of existence outside

need to get eyes first

[tender river]

leaf thing in itself

[sage crag]

does a thing existing necessarily implicate it exists within another thing

or does it simply implicate that it exists

[tender river]

is the world an infinite tree or is it not

hm tree not right word maybe need something more general for spatial structures

[obsidian mantle]

i still dont get what is happening there with that zero definition
and solution code i found doesnt work in my lisp interpreter
i will just pretend its not important

[sage crag]

there's no reason that a thing cannot contain itself

therefore a tree is too specialised

[tender river]

🐸

cyclic structures

rust cant do

[sage crag]

cyclic structure weird

from internal examination it is of infinite size

from external examination it is finite

me not know proper term for describing this

it almost like uuh

a sphere

infinite traversible surface but finite volume

[tender river]

[sage crag]

ye know

if you are inside a self-similar structure, there's no way of determining if its cyclic or just self-similar

[tender river]

isorecursive vs equirecursive types

bisimulation

[sage crag]

wrr

i think uuh

any examination of the type of set the universe is, is frivolous and non-meaningful

because we are not external to it

[tender river]

apply yoneda lemma to the category of universe

reduce to small sets

ye easy

[sage crag]

[tender river]

🐸

[sage crag]

Let F be a functor from a locally small category C to Set. Then for each object A of C, the natural transformations Nat(h_a, F) === Hom(Hom(A, -), F) from h_a to F are in one-to-one correspondence with the elements of F(A); rather intuitively, there exists a bijection between Hom(Hom(A, -), F) and F(A). That is,

Nat(h_a, F) ~= F(A) Moreover, this isomorphism is natural in AandFwhen both sides are regarded as functors fromCxSet^CtoSet`.
:NeuroBlabbering:

[tender river]

[sage crag]

so uuh

[tender river]

theres this paper that explains it https://math.mit.edu/~rud/TeXthings/yoneda lemma rapport(1).pdf
not sure what i'd use it for but it's cool

[obsidian mantle]

did you guys understand everything you've been taught right away or there were situations when you just dont get something

[sage crag]

me not see how this apply to universe since we dont even know how many elements of the set of universes there are

[sage crag]

no one is a super-genius to understand everything first time

[tender river]

i dont understand anything just from reading i just practice until i understand

[sage crag]

if there were such people, then all problems would be solve

[obsidian mantle]

but what practice can i do to understand that definition of zero

[tender river]

try writing some programs using it

[sage crag]

its not really a skill you can practice

[obsidian mantle]

it seems like its some atomic knowledge that is supposed to be understanded right away

[sage crag]

more like something you can get a feel for

[sage crag]

ne its quite unintuitive for most people

[tender river]

its basically encoding numbers in formal logic

which is a bit weird

[sage crag]

i mean, zero wasnt even invented until 300 BCE, and it wasnt even considered a value until 500 CE

but now its common knowledge that zero is a value that exists

doubting that the definition of the set of natural numbers will ever be common knowledge

maybe that's how we should teach children about counting

[tender river]

ye just give them the peano axioms

[sage crag]

ye

[obsidian mantle]

natural is 1,2,3?

[sage crag]

doable with technology

[obsidian mantle]

or natural is every fraction including pi

[sage crag]

no it also inclues zero

[obsidian mantle]

i always mix them up

[sage crag]

no those are reals

[tender river]

natural is 0,1,2,3,4,....

[sage crag]

though some people will wrongly kill you for that first element

[tender river]

fractions are rational numbers (from the word ratio)

[sage crag]

fractions are also countable

[tender river]

ye 0 not a natural number in russia

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

you only become uncountable when you include real numbers

there is a proof by contradiction that between any two rational numbers there will always be a number that isnt representable with a ratio

i.e. pi, or e

hence the existence of the uncountable "irrational" or "real" numbers

[obsidian mantle]

is it because you can add some multiplier to pi and fit it anywhere like that

[tender river]

counting rational numbers konii do every day when bored

[sage crag]

axiom of choice (konii ver.)