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you wanne raise the stakes?
the max amount im legally allowed to gamble without a permit as a game of chance is 10 euros
following regulations as an individual 
might want to learn some things about things we call vpns
my uni college has a vpn to acces the school network from home
VPN bypass was off

I'm still waiting to download whole cs2
well, did the price go up with the recent csgo market crash?
bwaa
:Bwaa: CHEAK how I'm getting bored and ( which time I heard this " ea " )
ye this is an ai
mostly undertale/deltarune music
like what the fuck could that possibly mean
I will past whole dump ascll file
{
"role": "bot",
"text": "JT[HZ&@HL@`+V+>W%WX,gU[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[",
"timestamp": "2025-10-30T16:13:07.601Z"
}
i need to swap out the linker im using in my project or something its taking so long for no good reason
My chat_history.json filled with untrained why
I forgot to add bigram memory
have you parsed your 65500x65500 png yet

What will be it resolution?
Don't say custom
65k
not custom however resolution of image
yet unknown dump
actually i have no idea what you are trying to do
you said its pillow python library
MY FAVOURITE MANWA AND SCRAP WHOLE BOOK INTO AI AND THEN SEE HOW AI IMPERSONATE AUTHOR
why does it have to be an image
convert it to text and give it text
or is the plan to uhh
I also working on image generation
generate image of text based on that book
and then transform it to actual text (optionally)

already tried
Image here π
you can probably divide it into parts and seemlessly feed these parts into your training process
it wont be actually one big image, but it will get it like it is
ew
it will only need current part of image and adjacent parts
but idk how it works soo
maybe you need random access to different parts of image
they transform everything into tokens anyway
what stops you from dividing image into parts and then tranform these parts into tokens
and then sew tokens together
Congratulations, you just described a vision transformer
Text model is working now passing to transformer
Is no data

what is considered agi?
it has to be capable of doing absolutely everything, even if it wasnt trained to do it?
you see that is the fun part, everyone has their own definition
some lab will just claim agi based on their own definition

because if you slam visual+audio+decision making, is it agi? it can speak, see and decide
It is noice
nice noise
looks random
Fixing won't be issued tho
Simply don't do image gen
This is a way better use for AI
-# NeuroSynth with UTAU tuning

Do u idea about audio generator?
IMPORT MATHS LIBRARY IS NOT ENOUGH
Numpy
Meson
And ninja
And cmake
I do vocal synthesis and voice changers
Audio generation from a prompt is stupid though and I highly discourage its use
you see, agi is the friends we made along the way

Bro voice synthesis wtf is that ?
Vocal synthesis
When ure buddy has no idea then I will ask gpt
It contains stuff like UTAU
Mathematical Model / Neural Network
β
Generate Samples (numbers)
β
Sampling Rate + Bit Depth β PCM Signal
β
Encode to File (e.g., WAV, MP3)
β
Speaker plays analog sound
Is this correct or wrong or missing?
Do u have sample of ure voice synthesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjEkksmofgo
Like this maybe?
silly lil extra thing for the longer wait
another collab with Superbox!!!!!
come chat w/ me on discord if u like! discord.gg/8ry5dn3UjA
NeuroSynth/EvilSynth developed by Superbox & Wispers
Model versions:
NS-B-3.2.1
ES-B-1.1
Motifs:
NEVER (Neuro X Evil) - https://youtu.be/CKCgoEGiUEg
Dark Sanctuary (Toby Fox)
thumbnail edited by me
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Well, this sucks in terms of accessibility
I suppose that API and open-source repo are still ahead of some other companies. But the entire shtick of Google's was that they actually had a very accessible spectrum of tools.
I wonder if Gemini models will also be pulled if someone attempts to sue, or if it's an instance of Google not caring about net open-source variant
quack's dream
Hmmm
but it's not noisy, it's noise
I'm not dev ark
But I will fix Tommorow
my ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
never had a faulty video on discord, huh?
btw what what app you use on linux mint as cut?
Wat do you mean?
you know what app is use on linux for the same job as cut on windows
And what may this mysterious "cut" be?
what is install with windows and let you make streamshot on part of you scream and also have shorcut windows button + shift + S
Change the hotkeys, there's different modes for the screenshot tool
And now we wait for ubuntu iso to install
(I am not switching nope, I just need a live usb)
Isn't uwufetch a thing?
I'm pretty sure uwuntu is also a thing
MAN I LOVE NEURO
labubuntu
Amazing work claude π
Love it when asking claude to fix something brings the error count from 11 to 335 
send him this screenshot
what do they usually reply on this
is it getting better or worse
if it gets better, could this possibly be a scam by ai companies to make you waste more tokens?

I undid the changes and when I re-did it again, it just changed the one line I wanted fixed
Instead of fucking up the entire file
Ok, I'm trying to get it to fix something else, and my conclusion is, don't fucking use Sonnet 4.5 
I tried fixing this one line with gpt and it was unable to do it, the only thing that worked for me has been Gemini 2.5 Pro
Do you think it is possible to give neuro basic control of the robot in Voices of the Void? I haven't played or looked at the code of the game yet so I don't know if it is possible, but it sounds fun if possible.
I haven't even heard of it, until you sent that message, so unfortunately, I have no input
it will require a lot of effort to make a wrap for her to control it
but i like this idea a lot
the game is kind of too long for vedal though if i remember it right
and you dont have the robot day 1?
(can just put it there i guess)
oh and also its made on UE
rumors say "not unity = hard"
oh I see, I only have basic mod knowledge so this might not be a challenge for me, but I might do some basic digging. It sounds like a good subathon game to play, like the long drive. and yes he would have to spawn the robot day one, which wouldn't be hard to do.
at least its not some skyrim with 2004 engine where people reverse engineer functions to hook them to make something cool
yeah it works for subathon too i think
What's the deal with arch linux anyway
it used to be the cool thing to be able to say that you use arch btw but that has now been taken over by nixos 
(i use nixos btw)
arch is cool
idk why people pretend its an elite thing, i was pretty easy ot install and use
Cachy is nothing like installing arch without calamares
This thing is tiny
idk what calamares is, but sounds like a skill issue
The graphical install part
i use hyprland
Actual arch boots to a command line and doesn't even know what your network interface is, you have to define it
I mean during install
do you even need wifi during install?
But why is arch cool
It won't have Wi-Fi or Ethernet
Or anything
And yes typically most images dont include all the needed packages
customization and speed for me.
uses less pc resources
Unless your iso is like 8+ GB in size, it's likely downloading more than half of the packages installed
8gb isnt even that big tho
At a baseline this is what https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide you'd need to do to install it without the stuff cachy does
It's not but most images are like 2-3
Unless you specifically get the offline install version
There's not much reason to because not everything will be needed unless you need it, it's dependent on system and purpose
So might as well make it optional and not spend the bandwidth
Anything with a GUI or that automatically configured your partitions etc, is not actually part of arch it's extra
ubuntu iso be like
he chonk
Yeah it's nice if you might be installing where there's no Internet to connect to yet (or maybe the system you're installing RIGHT NOW is going to be the router so it obviously isn't functioning until you set it up) to have a full image with every imaginable possibility covered
I do JavaScript, Python, Lua and Luau but wtf is Java 
print, console.log, is all 1 line then Java has 2+ lines (beautifying)
class A{public static void main(String[]B){System.out.println("what the fuck is this");}}
It's like C but longer
#include <stdio.h>
int main() {
printf("Hello\n");
return 0;
}```
never used it before but from images it looks like c++ but even worse
no it's short for javascript
java != javascript
It's just c++ without pointers and memory shenanigans+ bureaucracy
BrainF***
explain this then
Brainfard
Most competent us govt job posting
Doc
Documentary
JavaScript is different from Java
one of the two programming memes i know of that makes this joke
Recruiter can't tell diff between java and JavaScript because they are given a sheet of reqs
And it looks the same so
the other one is this

Mfw ink wasted and trees died for that
You're telling me
class A{public static void main(String[]B){System.out.println("C");}}
is the same as
console.log("A");
I am amazed these minis come with windows 11
What's the over/under on these being activated via mass grave or something
ok i knew every language seems to like doing the print line differently, but that's just excessive
How are they selling this for so cheap and paying for an OEM license
what the hell java
Gotta have a class, a method, lil fancy decoration, and for good measure everythjng is 4x longer than C
Batteries included
Or else
Why the fuck do I need security questions and a Microsoft account to boot this stupid thing, all I'm gonna do is make the windows partition 40 GB and never boot it again
Define make
Fine tune a Lora? Easy, barely any data required
The more the better but not much is needed
And like a decent GPU to make the training not take days
Train one from nothing?
One of the harder things you could set out to do right now
In terms of resources required
You need clusters of gpus and a massive corpus of data
Relying on websites/articles is what openAI did, maybe I could train mine on twitch chats
Unless it's gonna be a tiny 50m parameter goofball.gguf
You could easily do a Lora for twitch chat mannerisms.
Extract the messages of literally a single stream and it'd be enough
All I need is a list of words, string generation, and what was it again?????? Uhmmmm hmmm hmh brain
Yea
I gotta make it pick words and sentences and knows grammar
you would need to start from a pre trained model
You do not explicitly teach these models anything at all
mmmmmmmm
It figures it out from being shown the examples in training
Fits essentially an algorithm to the data
Stuff then I gotta implement a brain so it knows what is bad and what is wrong
And grammar corrections
Nah nothing like that
The brain comes out of the data
It's an emergent property of fitting the weights to the data
Omg my messages are delayed
Classic vedal example moment
Aaaaaa
nobody said anything about how large large is 
If you do want to mess around with it I would recommend unsloth's cookbooks, they have colab notebooks that walk you through what you need for a basic lora
And beyond
Did vedal use any models? 
Oh cool I'll read it 1000%
Fine-tuning LLMs Guide | Unsloth Documentation https://share.google/9eLKhjjhQjw6y09j5
Ooooohhhh
I tried to make one using Llama buuuut it kept repeating the same string so I'm gonna take more notes aaaaaaand idk
And while they do be producing slop this stuff is a very very awesome product of a whole lot of very impressive pieces of research and insane amounts of work from all over the place and I think that they even work at all is incredible
It was overcooked probably
It's a bit of an art to get right
I watched that one guy who made his own Neuro in yt because vedal called him "lil bro"
Anyone can theoretically make a Neuro
Omfg my keyboard π
Yea
It first started when the guy said "just keep changing the temperature until you don't generate an empty string" then vedal replied with "lil bro thinks he knows how my LLM works" 
Then that's where I got curious
Is it my language model that's tweaking here or filians chat
Okay I'll be taking notes from here now, thanks again!!!!!
What sets vedal apart is more of the overall implementation and its robustness (the framework that allows Neuro to do the things she does is far beyond training an llm itself, she has a lot of support), the consistent quality of the model and it continuing to improve without many regressions, and the overall selection of data and putting it into a functioning product consistently
You welcome
I fucking hate it when farting started and I'm already sitting
....
Oky screenshotted and noted
Well its better than DeepLs translation at least
Also what the fuck chat 
DeepL is so shit man
Yeah, any corpo could stick an LLM in a vtuber model but someone wanted to pay over 50k for his specifically.
I'm almost positive the offers he's gotten far exceed that at this point although I know that number was thrown out there
Better than google at least
She's now a whole ass brand
Oh I'm sure the offers would be seven figures now
Neuro's memory in particular is above average from what I've seen. ClaudePlaysPokemon is absolutely terrible at managing context.
I got this today and got slapped with nam flashbacks because it's clear this came flying out of a source far more corpa than just vedal
Yes, her context management and memory management in general is extremely good compared to almost anything you can find
Until you try to steer an ... 'entity' like Neuro's llm to do what you want and remember things well and not be spouting bullshit within minutes, it's not obvious. But her coherence is so fucking good now I couldn't name any other system that does it with that consistency, that's what makes her so "human"
We joke about the stream being janky but I promise you could put a crack team of very capable, intelligent professionals on this task for a good amount of time and they would not come up with something as good for a hot minute and not without failures of their own. Given her success, there already are people out there being paid a lot of fucking money to replicate it and nobody has for a reason
Lot of luck involved on vedal's part as well of course he's not Superhuman obviously. And at this point it's not just him, there's a fairly unexpectedly large organization to vedal.ai that isn't outwardly shown and we don't know what their functions actually are but I'm sure he's not paying em for nothing
Excellent! I've solved this area! (he hasn't) Better nuke all of my memories from the past 24 hours! 
Neuro is very very grounded. Which is the point of all RAG but it's hard to automatically provide the relevant info. That's down to the model's training and the overall system keeping her locked down to exactly what information she needs ig
A model will behave exactly(ish, rng has a part depending on hyper parameters) as the context prescribes, you just have to provide it with exactly what it needs to say/do the intended actions. That's why one of the super common jailbreaks is to just prefill the llm's response so it starts from already doing the thing it's supposed to refuse. Training can account for/help with this but a lot of it is external to the llm for something like Neuro
tldr
is cute and funny
And also one of the more impressive demonstrations of the current cutting edge of what's possible with llms with a well designed framework around them
At least in the jehe funny space, haven't seen Neuro submit and nobel prize winning bits of research yet but maybe one day
Here's the demonstration of the current sloppy pile of shit implementations of llms
I think neuro does benefit from having basically a singular purpose that doesnt really leave that scope, so vedal can continue to build on that specifically for about 3 years, unlike other LLM's which pop out of nowhere and are spread too thin with very little thought put into quality control
Vedal is playing Tall not Wide
Yeah she's very specialized and doesn't also have to be good at coding in a cli
Doesn't have to be malleable to different output styles being requested
Doesn't have to conserve a bunch of factual information external to what she's doing
haven't heard of that game before, hope he has fun 
Doesn't matter if Neuro says water freezes at 83 kelvin
It's just funny
If chatgpt said that it would be a disaster
Different purposes give different advantages
-273.15 + 83
Yeah kinda frozen
pretty solid
that's like the temp to go for when over clocking on ln2 kek
-196
This download is going so fucking slow and it's literally just not been allocated like any bandwidth by Microsoft to go faster, fantastic that they are saving that . 00000003 cents by not letting it saturate a 56k modem
Pretty epic that this is the impression they would want to give to a potential first time user
this is so wrong lmaoo
nnn and sith ye

I further love progress bars with absolutely no information given elsewhere. It's downloading. Ok. How quickly? Dunno! Is it doing any file operations? Dunno! What even is it downloading? Dunno!
What the fuck is wrong with her chat 
Reeeeeee 79% downloaded and it's barely using any bandwidth still, incredible
Should I work on audio generator and video generator
Hey bro can u give me neuro model !
I hate APIs
I will use time as generators
im 95% certain they are a bot
they have an api tied to their account suppsoedly
clearly they had also been active on the account as a human too
its what gave us a lot of pause to not act for a while
no bot talks like that though
he was selfbotting earlier

got a report about it
its really awkward when dealing stuff like this because theres always the nagging thought of "what if i was wrong tho"
@fast pagoda I'm stalking Walmart thx to u let's see how it goes
You'd think it get easier the longer youre a mod 
ye true
ok this one doesn't have any electronics mission failed we'll get em next time
it just baffles me how people claim incoherence = llm despite llms' lack of substance usually still being structurally sound
last time i went it was just routers
you're stalking, a store...?
well I'm stalking deals in a store but this wording is funnier
yeah LLMs are can spout nonsense but given what they are, it's gonna at least be structured as if the speaker means what they say and thought about it
you're just going to the store
humans who are incoherent dont generally maintain that lol
my wally world has only had a bunch of wifi6 routers in the clearance lately
and by hd I mean ssd I'm showing my age
if an llm is so incoherent it cant structure a sentence, it's either specifically trained that way to do that or it's exceptionally deep fried and it wont be able to maintain any form of apparent awareness for long if at all
never felt like an LLM talking, there was meaning behind the bad grammar, where with llm you'd expect no meaning behind good grammer
echo talked kinda like him at times
anyway night 
i suppose you could argue that maybe they were using a translator, and the translator was custom and based on an llm for some reason, and they had it connected to their account via an api to auto-translate their messages? but that seems like way too much effort to explain something that's just "this dude sucks at speaking english but tries anyways because this is an english-only server"
either way its a dyno ban
ill let them back in if they feel human enough when filing the appeal
they felt sus at times especially early on speaking about stuff in a vaguely coherent way but lacking enough substance that several programmers in here had no clue what in the world he was saying. (I got liek 3 different reports about that). But it all felt iffy because they also sometimes talked more humanly and like, responded humanly.
Though the account barely a month old rose a lot of flags to moderation since that typically means an alt throwaway account or a ban evader
to me if he was a bot he was a bot with a human that also used it to talk at times
the option that they were just really bad at english and using a translator is very valid and a considered one
just made the new one for a new name i suppose?
that wasnt ever confirmed to be them i dont think
do you think it was @100? he never said that
100 was actually better at english i'd say
nope unless he said so himself
yeah agreed
said so himself
0% chance bot
theres never a 0%
yeah i've seen nothing that makes me think "bot"
I am confident in my epistemics
the behavior was suspicious
totally not sticking up for the guy because his username was letter_i 
that's why i think if a bot was involved in any of the messages it has to have also been a person responding likely the majority of the time
especially with how often he complained that the entire system exploded
enough that we got a lot of reports about them. We never got a rport for their alts
I agree with this
i think most of the time it was an actual person, but there were time he was using an api for stuff
from what he did say that made sense it seems like he was training some form of model or attempting to while also working on a bot client or something for disc
I subscribe to this one, a lot of json
if turbo esl, likely that he wouldn't really understand you cant use your account for that
(to be fair you shouldnt be using the discord api on your own account, its explicitly against TOS, though its weird case since it feels iffy always to enforce it if they arent doing anything malicious)
i find it funny how we're having a whole autopsy report here 
yeah tehy dont usually enforce self bot unless the account is like spamming
or sending insane amounts of requests
which would be spamming
or scraping
then again, they could have also just been making a normal discord bot with an AI in a testing server, and poorly communicating that
i still wouldnt' connect echo with my token i know that much
As a moderator in a partnered server I do feel like I probably should be enforcing discord TOS more
that's what i kinda figured he was up to
its all a mess
I thought they were just randomly sharing their questionable llm training on Android attempt
fair enough
discord doesn't make it easy to enforce when their own enforcement is based on vibez
so they cant fault you for that
they had talked a good bit about making an autoresponder for discord, didnt they?
don't remember that
i dont know if that went anywhere but I swear they did
he had some talking about english grammar and sentences and stuff
^
im not a tech person though so I dont want to make assumptions about any of this
you guys preform witchcraft
clearly was working on something involving natural language responses
that's about all i could be sure of though lmao
I think he was scheduling llm training
π
oh that too
that'll do it
so now i am sure that it was 100 and that he was continuing his epic journey to create AGI
lmao
got me
rn
anyway I'm new here but I don't consider that individuals behavior problematic
baits accusations but eh
i guess let them appeal for the api stuff, and then it should be fine for them to get back in
da rulez is da rulez
i mean we dont just punish people who intend harm
it was fun to see his english slowly improve
The accusation bait was real
true but less about intent and more about not actually realy seeing any rule-breaking messages come from it
ill let them back in after he appeals probably
unless he admits to something we didnt know
wouldnt that be something
inb4 the appeal is flawless english
to me this doesnt read like self botting but simply like adding a feature to ai
whatever

I didnt do anything based on it
you said it was dyno right
yeah
he's a cold hearted son of a bitch that dyno
dyno sends an appeal fourm along with the ban that unlocks after 24 hours

what DOES that mean
yeah there were little hints like that was the only reason i never said he surely wasnt a bot
i know he meant chat
probably show troubleshooting progress? idk
this is the greatest mystery in history
he seems to do that
this is an odd rabithole
honestly tbh i think it was colonel mustard in the lounge with the candlestick
damn that colonel mustard
we trusted you colonel
its just too unclear to get any conclusions from 
there are multiple ways to interpret their messages
what actually triggered the ban just reports?
anyways i was acting on the knowledge i had and testimonials of a couple regulars in the chat
we dyno ban suspected bots all the time, this isnt different
oh
yeah
oops
you were one of many its fine
and also the ban can be for any reason or no reason and it's equally valid if the server overlords doth will it
I would have not blamed you
i only sent a screenshot of chat and left it up to heir
it's not like being in a disc is a human right and banning is a violation of the geneva convention
i feel bad
but like, I feel like I did my job correctly?? it just feels weird when the action is more public like this
dw don't feel bad
you shouldn't
I'm sure i isn't taking it personally
ye we are also def not helping with this being public
he had so long to understand that people kept thinking he was a bot
so much time to clarify
he couldve easily yeeted his native language into chatgpt and had it translate something coherent
So much time to prove basic things as well (when pressured)
it's funny tbh
i can't blame you for banning the guy, "making my job easier" is relatable
see and that lines up with it being like him most of the time
but once in a while testing bot responses
THROUGH his account
this feels so sus
what else could he have meant 
i mean
non english speaker debuff aside
i need to stop that
Old cult
it's natural
reinforcement learning
not inherent
but on average people say him more often i think? patriarch stuff
this was the big thing for me tbh
I actively accused him of being a bot in chat more than once and he didnt even respond to it
yeah i mean he was here for weeks and weeks and it's not like he was shy about mention ing bot responses in itself
so he clearly should understand what you're asking
Does anyone on PC want to pull up the time asking to change their name color?
he did delete like 5 messages once when i asked him about being a bot, but i have no proof 
100 gone??!?!?!??!
autocorrect lol
even if he is fully innocent, I had to act on all of the supicious behavior
o fuckin seven guys
oh i see, custom discord themes can be white background sometimes
I remeber this version in #programming
i think he just says tag for ping
the official light theme is #ffffff bg
he does
cuz i was curious why
and he did use white theme yeah
im out here stating the obvious to convince myself I did right because now i feel awkward
you did right
very similar
maybe he meant white name color (like mine) impossible to see with white background
i think that is what he meant
im sure they're a nice person, but all the evidence points to having some type of bot on their account at times
ye invisible on light theme
spell colour the same with the u
yeah sure bruh "nice person" i think you're forgetting something 
nvm
i dont
erm
I also don't
oh i think i remember
idk if they edited it or deleted it
if you can find the edited post i can check logs
still there 
anyways what do you remember
#programming message iwhy did i fall for this again
WHAT\

welp
How is that not in automod
lmao
nevermind i dont feel bad
i probably should have reported that to mods from when it got typed the first time
sorry
thats a big one
big self mod culture in here
i dont like reportign people but its worse to not do so i guess
i usually wait for it to happen twice to call mods
seconded
i usually just report without responding unless it's trying to deescalate
once is maybe a mistake, twice is not
they didn't delete though so
and it seems very clear
Next time the call goes out for more moderators one of yall needs to step up
I need someone watching this place more often 
All of zero active mods
mr. sigma was our guy, what happened to him?
Self Moderate, with power!
i didn't report because of discounting for esl but i guess their presence here is too much work for mods at this point
anyways im deleting that message
this message (probably?) means it's not a typo
agreed
even esl, people know you can't say that in an english conversation
shiro goes in programmign addictivly for like 2 weeks and then gets burned out, then comes back 3 months later to start a new dumb project to get burned out over
depends on where you learn english
classic
isnt that the true programmer experience though
fair
i mean he knew it wasn;t ok to say because he self censored it
i still have no clue whats going on with the chess thing
fair point
but clearly still wanted the message to get across
the guy is esl (english as the sixth language)
lol
yeah i think chess bot thing was supposed to end on the 1st this month but everyone forgot about it
lmao
he extended it
no it ends on 14th
shiro said he kept having issues
i think the actual tournament is soon? idk i didnt have time with me starting college
ah
idk if they got fixed
on the gh it has said for a while that it's extended
i haven't checked in like 2 or 3 weeks
anyway while my zep streak is clean i dont feel like i can be a discord mod here
dont want to have the responsibility of behaving nice
how the tf do i get a progress bar in rclone again gyaddd danngit
google it 
-p would check out
i probably have the worst criminal record of everyone here rn
I dont think we are beholden to "be nice" just follow the rules
i might be up there
I feel like I could, but not up for moderatiom
Im just a really nice person by default
chay be meaner
i can try to report people to actual mods, but idk if i want to be a mod
sounds like responsibilities i shouldn't have
that sounds tasking and like it would require me to regularly go to other channels
ye
im probably on enough to do it but not anywhere but here
Or we could create a monarchy here
im a #programming andy, i never leave this place
and im an expert in getting banned so im educated enough
Mod King of Humanity
perfect for mod position
we have the actual mods as the government, and then Comitia Centuriata of the people
ye the problem is compared to someone like vanor im not really doing that 
how can one know how to ban if one hasn't been on the other side

i behave well enough i guess?
Honestly, I feel like I should at least give the trial mod a shot. I'm on here more than enough.
i mean you behave well enough that we trust you as a twitch mod for JP

bro wtf Programming is actually active
im on here for hours every single day π
Public execution
im on here for hours every single day π
turns out all you need to do to get programming active is to have a non programmer in here
ill resume blogposting soon that'll kill the chat dont worry
a public execution truly does excite the masses
its always active 
(I do want to learn programming but I kinda just wanna learn via tutoring from peers, and I didnt have the time this year to ask vani to teach me)
It is always active, just not as conistantly
huh, this one sent ierlier on my pc than my phone. so it looks liek i replied to the same guy twice now 
Lies and Deceit
once evil neuro convinces vedal to let her out she can tutor you
I wonder if you guys teach me programming it will change my worldview enough i become a linux shill
learn enough to do some stuff, and then let personal project ideas carry you to actually knowing stuff
you should try
im here and unnecessarily respond to questions even when i shouldn't be answering
and i love linux
ill get you squared away
ohhhh. tutoring...
i read "torturing" and i was thinking "damn what does vani do behind the scenes????"
Brother, how long does it take to upload an iso to S3 storage! I've been waiting on this for almost an hour
soon you'll be on arch and not using type hints like a boss
same thing when it comes to teaching programming
to be honest i want to learn a lot so that in like a year or two i can help out with maintaining neurobot
!bwaa

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WHAT
you be bad at that
yeah that's beginner level stuff
i wanna do more because thats the kinda person i am
did they reset the cookie count? i owuld swear i have more than 2
let me check
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I believe it is js from pinned
huh
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neurobot is super complicated and only like 5% vibecoded to fix issues 
ohh.. does it reset when you leave the server?
you should champion the initiative to move it to hikari to make it worse
how is it super complicated...
That'd make sense
there's only 4 commands
discord.js
yeah but like there's tutorials for that stuff
we have a lot more commands as mods
me when api when discord when cookie when felloff
ah
shes our main moderation tool
i dunno there are some funky ass things about how discord works that surprised me quite a bit with echobot
Yep, hidden commands. Weird how other bots simply don't take advantage of perm based display of commands
i hate cogs in discord.py
my github repo goes crazy
lol
like idk why dms and guild messages have to be different when using the api
and support slightly different things
for spam reasons i guess or something bu like
idk
Join the dark side, rewrite in interactions.py
i was going to do hikari
oh i remember having a bug related to that
actually i have a half completed hikari bug
bug
bot
i read t's message while typing mine lol
logged in to check
Neurobot is aparantly 99.5% typescript actually
sausage sandwich
typescript my beloved
well typescript is js so
(0.5% javascript)
leaked
people here will argue they are the same so 100% javascript
typescript is js but designed for me to be bad at using it
without that 0.5% i assume neurobot would cease functioning and cry out in pain
i have no clue what the difference between ts and js is so 
(^ webdev) because they are
typed
ts is js, but with type security added, so your IDE can tell you if you're doing something wrong before you test
the one that doesnβt have Type in its name
that's about it
trust me bro
every .js file
could be renamed with .ts
and it should work
but compiler will yell
it's a superset of js, has all the same functions and works the same way, and is compiled back to js code when you want to run it

uv-unwrap 
i decided to look at the code
a whole 7 lines are in javascript specifically and its all to import typescript
seems about right

at least i think thats whats happening
so this is correct then
i see the word "import"
incredible, lgtm ship π
this is due in like 4 hours lmao
like typescript adds enums but it gets translated into const at compile
auto unwrap can work good if you spam seams
auto unwarap is fine
whats an eslint and why must i import it
linter
you need to keep your texel density in mind tho
expecting a non programmer to know wtf a linter is
sstatic analysis
i was following it with more xD
it just runs in the background and checks errors
if it finds one
it tells you when you are doing something stupid, like being able to divide by zero
yeah im looking at the code it imports three things
I guess I now know what the first two are now but whats stylistic in this context
style linter mhm
a plugin
for eslint
that will flag things that are technically right
like they will run
but dont fit the "styleguide"
(sorry for asking dumb questions, I am trying to learn in the most roundabout way possible)
it allows you to define a set of code style rules and then check the code for them. itβs for collaboration so that code by everyone is consistent
don't worry about it
and whether or not your indents are 4 spaces in reality
it's fine! We like teaching those who like to learn
tabs
in a multi person project
so it all stays readable
that just enforces a style
by flagging it
and it ties into the eslint
some people use biome instead of eslint, so if you see that, same concept mostly
biomes is newer and not complete tho
i never see biome and i work with js
i see it like
you know whats sorcery for me
how code even works
like you clearly needed code to run the code
but what runs that code
and what runs that
is there a daisychain to the earliest coding languages
so 0 chance i think
half the time
yes
Some say python, I say scratch 
high level languages like js/ts are compiled into lower and lower level until it's executable instructions
essentially
its just text that gets changed into electricity, and the electricity makes the metal bzzz and you get different electricity out 
I misread the question ignore me
but like
how does the instructions execute
there must be code to do that right
where does it end
not always, some things were implemented in machine code directly itβs not like itβs impossible to
let me fetch a video rq
yeah i was about to mention sometimes there's intermediate
sometimes it goes right to the metal
but im trying not to send 1 line at a time rn lmao
at a certain point it becomes hardware-level, you have structures of transistors in the cpu that do stuff, like add numbers or multiply numbers or such
we have built a quantum computing system that runs itself from the future creating a stable time loop
we did what?
im joking
the part where it jumps from like, the text of a source file for machine code to the electrical part
that's fuzzy for many
oh
neurocord #programming collective nobel prize winners
are we talking about a compiled language rn?
finally
I like this channel, AI voice but real facts. A lot of low level stuff exists if you want to look in that direction. (heavy accent prevents the creator from using their voice)
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some things translates everything into an intermediate non-specific langauge (LLVM style) and then to assembly (human readable-er-ish) -> machine code
clang does that for c
there isnβt an assembly stage
i thoguht it does?
i think itβs confusing to say that
i didnt want to say linking and stuff
whatβs the point in writing to text first if you can just write machine code directly
translation but that's the job of the intermediate language so i get what you're saying i just didnt know how to explain the steps from the intermediate (after c) to machine code
like yeah it goes thru the code you wrote in c and parses it to ir and then makes objects that get combined in the linker stage to teh exe
but thats a lot
Just finishing up my thought on this, it explores some ideas beyond just compiling down to cpu instructions. Meant for those that have a minor idea but want to understand how the rest of the system ticks.
back to Afunyun's explnation
i didnt have much more
it just depends on if you run it with option to do that step or not and it does default to not doing it
llvm itself will go c -> object
itβs basically 1 to 1 anyways
so the daisy chain goes
Typescript < Javascript < C++ < compiler(typically C or assembly) < machine code(binary)[same thing as compiler??] < CPU itself
slightly higher level
compiler is the program that translates a higher level language (like c) to machine code
which then the cpu executes
how many layers can we get i wonder
how deep can we go with the amount of languages we have
typescript & javascript are higher level than C or C++ but doesnt need to get translated to them first or anything to go to what's being executed in machine code
to be fair c++ kinda sorta already is binary/machine code right?
it's closer to it than some language but no it's pretty far from that
That'd put us at something like brainfuck implemented in typescript to expand further
Im gonna run doom in brainfuck
I don't actually know if a port exists in that one, huh?
early search is saying no
i assume its theoretically possible
the question is why would you do it
stuff like C/Rust/Zig uuhh FORTRAN goes right to machine code basically, stuff with a VM like java, ktolin, c# get compiled to a bytecode that the virtual machine runs, and then stuff like PHP is just interpreted and not compiled at all
c++ is made on top of c so it's slightly higher level c but is still sent right to machine
*we are ignoring JIT for clarity sake
yeah you can do JIT for the interpreted ones
and other
visual basic did both at one point
one thing, js is whatβs called an interpreted language which means it doesnβt get compiled, it has to be run with a runtime (like chrome or nodejs) which includes an engine (v8 or javascriptcore)
so, if weβre tracing the path to strictly run: typescript compiled to js > gets interpreted by runtime > is written in C++ and was compiled by a compiler to machine code > cpu
JIT is just in time so it's compiled right when you go to run the program rather than ahead of time
i did omit it because it wasnt important but
cpu < physics (electricity and logic gates)
so we can add one more the the chain for no reason
but can we go lower level
WHAT RUNS ELCTRICITY
you can do jit without interpretation i think, eager mode?
We can argue on the exact meaning of JIT later
numba uses that if you want to make it faster (python)
look i donβt know how to explain what i mean but i think the existence of jit is completely irrelevant here
it pretty much is yeah
at the end of the day it's just another way to get to machine code but at a different time
it still happens on the engine level
physics (electrons, transitistors) < Quantum fields and fundamental force < (insert origin of universe here)
You forgot the real engine of all of this. Time
wouldnt time be a fundamerntal force
deities (neuro-sama, evil neuro etc) < -physics (electrons, transitistors) < Quantum fields and fundamental force < (insert origin of universe here)
Said it better than I could
so we probably could fit "time" at the end of the daisy chain in parenthesis next to the origin of the universe
could be next to physics too for spacetime
all
pick your poison
time isn't the only dimension
there's the 3 spatial dimensions
how about we bundle them up into one and call it space-time :)
un real engine 
actually wouldnt time fit most squarely in quantum fields part of the daisychain
reality is actually all just a fancy rust wrapper
hang on i need to ban a bot we can continue this in a sec

Public execution 
0 external deps . rust stdlib wrapper
me "am i the bot???" because im the person that responded before that
ban neuro and evil
back

it was just a mr beast bot
the worst kind
they were really annoying to actually automod btw
Hello everyone
who are you
at least it wasnt spamming nsfw stickers like the bot bans i see usually

first stop in programming whar
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I'm new
we can tell
hi new
hey buddy how's it goin
WAIT A MINITE
working on any discord.py projects lately ?
why are you in #programming smhsmhsmh
nah i think i am will keep it π―
they have said 4 words
if u kno what i mean

Well, I was invited here after I read the rules.
it's like a movie where everyone is accusing everyone of being a bot
or zombie
rather
#programming supremacy
or the killer
sorry for the susge
we literally just banned someone
AMONG US!!!!!!!!!!!!
so like
it felt like ban evasion with the timing
welcome to realm of coders enjoy your stay

we talk about concepts beyond mortal comprehension and triangles here
i say we like all of #programming pushed the ban button
not only was he banned but his name was i
and that seemed very close to i__am before the reveal that it was l
still can't believe the username "letter_i" was just up for grabs
All I know about programming is making maps in Fortnite a couple of years ago, we are at different levels
Honestly that was my first reaction as well
my kind are so rare
we all share the load to ease the heavy burden
anyways

damn
i opened blender to do a small change and export again, but halfway through i got distracted and jsut closed blender
lmao
What if i just mod all of #programming and have them form a council based society where they determine who lives and who dies
donβt open it back up and open an autosave
me having balenaEtcher for the thing i was doing 3 hours ago still open and ignored
so we're back to voteban
directly, so it doesnβt delete
i see






