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rigid snow
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well that's not interesting is it

olive sable
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Shruge you wanne raise the stakes?

rigid snow
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i don't want to bring you into this

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or anyone for that matter

olive sable
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the max amount im legally allowed to gamble without a permit as a game of chance is 10 euros

rigid snow
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following regulations as an individual evilWheeze

sick owl
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My uni's started throttling download speeds for VPN users cirSlain

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Cheeky fuckers

rigid snow
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might want to learn some things about things we call vpns

olive sable
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my uni college has a vpn to acces the school network from home

obsidian mantle
rigid snow
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wait actually i opened a csgo case two weeks ago

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i lied

olive sable
uneven pulsar
olive sable
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well, did the price go up with the recent csgo market crash?

rigid snow
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it's completely rebound

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now

olive sable
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bwaa

uneven pulsar
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:Bwaa: CHEAK how I'm getting bored and ( which time I heard this " ea " )

rigid snow
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ye this is an ai

rigid snow
uneven pulsar
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I will past whole dump ascll file

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{
"role": "bot",
"text": "JT[HZ&@HL@`+V+>W%WX,gU[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[",
"timestamp": "2025-10-30T16:13:07.601Z"
}

silent cloak
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i need to swap out the linker im using in my project or something its taking so long for no good reason

uneven pulsar
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My chat_history.json filled with untrained why
I forgot to add bigram memory

obsidian mantle
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have you parsed your 65500x65500 png yet

uneven pulsar
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800*65500 IMAGE

obsidian mantle
uneven pulsar
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Don't say custom

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65k

obsidian mantle
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not custom however resolution of image

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yet unknown dump

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thonk actually i have no idea what you are trying to do

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you said its pillow python library

uneven pulsar
obsidian mantle
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why does it have to be an image

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convert it to text and give it text

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or is the plan to uhh

uneven pulsar
obsidian mantle
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generate image of text based on that book

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and then transform it to actual text (optionally)

uneven pulsar
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Image here πŸ™‚

obsidian mantle
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you can probably divide it into parts and seemlessly feed these parts into your training process

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it wont be actually one big image, but it will get it like it is

umbral thorn
obsidian mantle
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it will only need current part of image and adjacent parts

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but idk how it works soo

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maybe you need random access to different parts of image

uneven pulsar
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Bro fucking noice 😭

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Noice is too much !

obsidian mantle
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they transform everything into tokens anyway

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what stops you from dividing image into parts and then tranform these parts into tokens

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and then sew tokens together

opaque sigil
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Congratulations, you just described a vision transformer

uneven pulsar
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Text model is working now passing to transformer
Is no data

obsidian mantle
uneven pulsar
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Forgot to add RGB

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Now FIXED

obsidian mantle
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what is considered agi?
it has to be capable of doing absolutely everything, even if it wasnt trained to do it?

opaque sigil
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you see that is the fun part, everyone has their own definition

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some lab will just claim agi based on their own definition

obsidian mantle
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because if you slam visual+audio+decision making, is it agi? it can speak, see and decide

uneven pulsar
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It is noice

opaque sigil
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nice noise

obsidian mantle
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looks random

uneven pulsar
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Fixing won't be issued tho

nocturne olive
obsidian mantle
uneven pulsar
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IMPORT MATHS LIBRARY IS NOT ENOUGH

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Numpy
Meson
And ninja

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And cmake

nocturne olive
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Audio generation from a prompt is stupid though and I highly discourage its use

maiden geyser
opaque sigil
uneven pulsar
nocturne olive
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Vocal synthesis

uneven pulsar
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When ure buddy has no idea then I will ask gpt

nocturne olive
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It contains stuff like UTAU

uneven pulsar
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Mathematical Model / Neural Network
↓
Generate Samples (numbers)
↓
Sampling Rate + Bit Depth β†’ PCM Signal
↓
Encode to File (e.g., WAV, MP3)
↓
Speaker plays analog sound

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Is this correct or wrong or missing?

uneven pulsar
nocturne olive
uneven pulsar
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Network making medium
Samples? Idk

sick owl
lost hill
uneven pulsar
maiden geyser
uneven pulsar
stray dragon
maiden geyser
golden narwhal
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btw what what app you use on linux mint as cut?

nocturne olive
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Wat do you mean?

golden narwhal
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you know what app is use on linux for the same job as cut on windows

nocturne olive
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And what may this mysterious "cut" be?

golden narwhal
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what is install with windows and let you make streamshot on part of you scream and also have shorcut windows button + shift + S

nocturne olive
obsidian mantle
amber fractal
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And now we wait for ubuntu iso to install

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(I am not switching nope, I just need a live usb)

obsidian mantle
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ubuntu is a weird name

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why is it called like that

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ububu

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uwuntu

worldly plank
amber fractal
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I'm pretty sure uwuntu is also a thing

hearty notch
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MAN I LOVE NEURO

maiden geyser
obsidian mantle
olive sable
hollow matrix
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Amazing work claude πŸ‘

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Love it when asking claude to fix something brings the error count from 11 to 335 neurOMEGALUL

obsidian mantle
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send him this screenshot

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what do they usually reply on this

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is it getting better or worse

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if it gets better, could this possibly be a scam by ai companies to make you waste more tokens?

hollow matrix
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I undid the changes and when I re-did it again, it just changed the one line I wanted fixed

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Instead of fucking up the entire file

hollow matrix
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I tried fixing this one line with gpt and it was unable to do it, the only thing that worked for me has been Gemini 2.5 Pro

dull egret
random horizon
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Do you think it is possible to give neuro basic control of the robot in Voices of the Void? I haven't played or looked at the code of the game yet so I don't know if it is possible, but it sounds fun if possible.

dull egret
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I haven't even heard of it, until you sent that message, so unfortunately, I have no input

obsidian mantle
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but i like this idea a lot

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the game is kind of too long for vedal though if i remember it right

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and you dont have the robot day 1?

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(can just put it there i guess)

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oh and also its made on UE

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rumors say "not unity = hard"

random horizon
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oh I see, I only have basic mod knowledge so this might not be a challenge for me, but I might do some basic digging. It sounds like a good subathon game to play, like the long drive. and yes he would have to spawn the robot day one, which wouldn't be hard to do.

obsidian mantle
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at least its not some skyrim with 2004 engine where people reverse engineer functions to hook them to make something cool

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yeah it works for subathon too i think

tacit plover
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What's the deal with arch linux anyway

opaque sigil
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it used to be the cool thing to be able to say that you use arch btw but that has now been taken over by nixos SMH

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(i use nixos btw)

olive sable
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arch is cool

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idk why people pretend its an elite thing, i was pretty easy ot install and use

fast pagoda
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This thing is tiny

olive sable
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idk what calamares is, but sounds like a skill issue

fast pagoda
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The graphical install part

olive sable
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evilShrug i use hyprland

fast pagoda
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Actual arch boots to a command line and doesn't even know what your network interface is, you have to define it

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I mean during install

olive sable
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do you even need wifi during install?

tacit plover
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But why is arch cool

fast pagoda
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It won't have Wi-Fi or Ethernet

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Or anything

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And yes typically most images dont include all the needed packages

olive sable
fast pagoda
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Unless your iso is like 8+ GB in size, it's likely downloading more than half of the packages installed

olive sable
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8gb isnt even that big tho

fast pagoda
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It's not but most images are like 2-3

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Unless you specifically get the offline install version

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There's not much reason to because not everything will be needed unless you need it, it's dependent on system and purpose

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So might as well make it optional and not spend the bandwidth

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Anything with a GUI or that automatically configured your partitions etc, is not actually part of arch it's extra

amber fractal
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he chonk

fast pagoda
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Yeah it's nice if you might be installing where there's no Internet to connect to yet (or maybe the system you're installing RIGHT NOW is going to be the router so it obviously isn't functioning until you set it up) to have a full image with every imaginable possibility covered

scenic depot
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I do JavaScript, Python, Lua and Luau but wtf is Java neuroCry

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print, console.log, is all 1 line then Java has 2+ lines (beautifying)

class A{public static void main(String[]B){System.out.println("what the fuck is this");}}

olive sable
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its like javascript, without the script

scenic depot
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It's like C but longer

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#include <stdio.h>

int main() {
    printf("Hello\n");
    return 0;
}```
olive sable
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never used it before but from images it looks like c++ but even worse

stray dragon
olive sable
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java != javascript

fast pagoda
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It's just c++ without pointers and memory shenanigans+ bureaucracy

scenic depot
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BrainF***

stray dragon
fast pagoda
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Brainfard

olive sable
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that source is shit

fast pagoda
scenic depot
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Documentary

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JavaScript is different from Java

stray dragon
fast pagoda
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And it looks the same so

stray dragon
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the other one is this

olive sable
fast pagoda
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Mfw ink wasted and trees died for that

scenic depot
fast pagoda
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I am amazed these minis come with windows 11

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What's the over/under on these being activated via mass grave or something

stray dragon
fast pagoda
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How are they selling this for so cheap and paying for an OEM license

stray dragon
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what the hell java

scenic depot
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Noooo I lost my ASCII animation πŸ’”

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I can rewrite it it's made in python anyways

fast pagoda
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Gotta have a class, a method, lil fancy decoration, and for good measure everythjng is 4x longer than C

scenic depot
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Ofc

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Java

fast pagoda
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Batteries included

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Or else

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Why the fuck do I need security questions and a Microsoft account to boot this stupid thing, all I'm gonna do is make the windows partition 40 GB and never boot it again

scenic depot
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Hmm

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How hard is it to make your own LLM

fast pagoda
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Define make

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Fine tune a Lora? Easy, barely any data required

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The more the better but not much is needed

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And like a decent GPU to make the training not take days

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Train one from nothing?

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One of the harder things you could set out to do right now

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In terms of resources required

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You need clusters of gpus and a massive corpus of data

scenic depot
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Relying on websites/articles is what openAI did, maybe I could train mine on twitch chats

fast pagoda
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Unless it's gonna be a tiny 50m parameter goofball.gguf

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You could easily do a Lora for twitch chat mannerisms.

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Extract the messages of literally a single stream and it'd be enough

scenic depot
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All I need is a list of words, string generation, and what was it again?????? Uhmmmm hmmm hmh brain

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Yea

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I gotta make it pick words and sentences and knows grammar

fast pagoda
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you would need to start from a pre trained model

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You do not explicitly teach these models anything at all

scenic depot
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mmmmmmmm

fast pagoda
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It figures it out from being shown the examples in training

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Fits essentially an algorithm to the data

scenic depot
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Stuff then I gotta implement a brain so it knows what is bad and what is wrong

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And grammar corrections

fast pagoda
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Nah nothing like that

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The brain comes out of the data

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It's an emergent property of fitting the weights to the data

scenic depot
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Omg my messages are delayed

opaque sigil
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just make a bigram model or something, boom LLM

fast pagoda
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Classic vedal example moment

scenic depot
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Aaaaaa

opaque sigil
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nobody said anything about how large large is enub

fast pagoda
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If you do want to mess around with it I would recommend unsloth's cookbooks, they have colab notebooks that walk you through what you need for a basic lora

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And beyond

scenic depot
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Did vedal use any models? NeuroHuh

fast pagoda
scenic depot
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Ooooohhhh

fast pagoda
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Vedal presumably started from a base LLM

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Probably multiple ones over time

scenic depot
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Okay got it

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Tysm!!!!!

fast pagoda
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No problem :^) it's a fun thing to do

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Frustrating sometimes lol

scenic depot
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I tried to make one using Llama buuuut it kept repeating the same string so I'm gonna take more notes aaaaaaand idk

fast pagoda
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And while they do be producing slop this stuff is a very very awesome product of a whole lot of very impressive pieces of research and insane amounts of work from all over the place and I think that they even work at all is incredible

fast pagoda
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It's a bit of an art to get right

scenic depot
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I watched that one guy who made his own Neuro in yt because vedal called him "lil bro"

fast pagoda
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Anyone can theoretically make a Neuro

scenic depot
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Omfg my keyboard 😭

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Yea

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It first started when the guy said "just keep changing the temperature until you don't generate an empty string" then vedal replied with "lil bro thinks he knows how my LLM works" neuroAYAYA

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Then that's where I got curious

sick owl
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Is it my language model that's tweaking here or filians chat

scenic depot
fast pagoda
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What sets vedal apart is more of the overall implementation and its robustness (the framework that allows Neuro to do the things she does is far beyond training an llm itself, she has a lot of support), the consistent quality of the model and it continuing to improve without many regressions, and the overall selection of data and putting it into a functioning product consistently

fast pagoda
sick owl
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Also what the fuck chat HUH

fast pagoda
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DeepL is so shit man

young plover
fast pagoda
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I'm almost positive the offers he's gotten far exceed that at this point although I know that number was thrown out there

sick owl
fast pagoda
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She's now a whole ass brand

young plover
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Oh I'm sure the offers would be seven figures now

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Neuro's memory in particular is above average from what I've seen. ClaudePlaysPokemon is absolutely terrible at managing context.

fast pagoda
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I got this today and got slapped with nam flashbacks because it's clear this came flying out of a source far more corpa than just vedal

fast pagoda
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Until you try to steer an ... 'entity' like Neuro's llm to do what you want and remember things well and not be spouting bullshit within minutes, it's not obvious. But her coherence is so fucking good now I couldn't name any other system that does it with that consistency, that's what makes her so "human"

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We joke about the stream being janky but I promise you could put a crack team of very capable, intelligent professionals on this task for a good amount of time and they would not come up with something as good for a hot minute and not without failures of their own. Given her success, there already are people out there being paid a lot of fucking money to replicate it and nobody has for a reason

Lot of luck involved on vedal's part as well of course he's not Superhuman obviously. And at this point it's not just him, there's a fairly unexpectedly large organization to vedal.ai that isn't outwardly shown and we don't know what their functions actually are but I'm sure he's not paying em for nothing

young plover
fast pagoda
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Neuro is very very grounded. Which is the point of all RAG but it's hard to automatically provide the relevant info. That's down to the model's training and the overall system keeping her locked down to exactly what information she needs ig

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A model will behave exactly(ish, rng has a part depending on hyper parameters) as the context prescribes, you just have to provide it with exactly what it needs to say/do the intended actions. That's why one of the super common jailbreaks is to just prefill the llm's response so it starts from already doing the thing it's supposed to refuse. Training can account for/help with this but a lot of it is external to the llm for something like Neuro

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tldr nwero is cute and funny

And also one of the more impressive demonstrations of the current cutting edge of what's possible with llms with a well designed framework around them

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At least in the jehe funny space, haven't seen Neuro submit and nobel prize winning bits of research yet but maybe one day

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Here's the demonstration of the current sloppy pile of shit implementations of llms

open copper
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I think neuro does benefit from having basically a singular purpose that doesnt really leave that scope, so vedal can continue to build on that specifically for about 3 years, unlike other LLM's which pop out of nowhere and are spread too thin with very little thought put into quality control

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Vedal is playing Tall not Wide

fast pagoda
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Yeah she's very specialized and doesn't also have to be good at coding in a cli

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Doesn't have to be malleable to different output styles being requested

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Doesn't have to conserve a bunch of factual information external to what she's doing

olive sable
fast pagoda
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Doesn't matter if Neuro says water freezes at 83 kelvin

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It's just funny

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If chatgpt said that it would be a disaster

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Different purposes give different advantages

olive sable
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i mean, water does freeze at 83 kelvin... hmm

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it also freezes at higher temperatures

fast pagoda
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Yeah it do be frozen at that temp

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What is that like -150 c

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-190 xd

olive sable
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-273.15 + 83

fast pagoda
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Yeah kinda frozen

olive sable
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pretty solid

fast pagoda
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that's like the temp to go for when over clocking on ln2 kek

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-196

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This download is going so fucking slow and it's literally just not been allocated like any bandwidth by Microsoft to go faster, fantastic that they are saving that . 00000003 cents by not letting it saturate a 56k modem

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Pretty epic that this is the impression they would want to give to a potential first time user

rigid snow
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nnn and sith ye

sick owl
fast pagoda
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I further love progress bars with absolutely no information given elsewhere. It's downloading. Ok. How quickly? Dunno! Is it doing any file operations? Dunno! What even is it downloading? Dunno!

sick owl
fast pagoda
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It's filian's chat

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So

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Everything possible

fast pagoda
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Reeeeeee 79% downloaded and it's barely using any bandwidth still, incredible

uneven pulsar
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IM BACK TRANING MY AUDIO GENERATE
AND IMAGE GENERATOR

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+>val -1

uneven pulsar
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Should I work on audio generator and video generator

uneven pulsar
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I will use time as generators

amber fractal
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not helping the bot alligations at all man

open copper
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im 95% certain they are a bot

olive sable
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they have an api tied to their account suppsoedly

open copper
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lmao i see that now
selfreported for selfbot

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makes my job a whole lot easier

olive sable
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rest in peperoni

open copper
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clearly they had also been active on the account as a human too
its what gave us a lot of pause to not act for a while

tender river
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no bot talks like that though

open copper
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he was selfbotting earlier

tender river
open copper
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got a report about it

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heirEheh its really awkward when dealing stuff like this because theres always the nagging thought of "what if i was wrong tho"

hearty notch
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@fast pagoda I'm stalking Walmart thx to u let's see how it goes

open copper
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You'd think it get easier the longer youre a mod heirWheeze

olive sable
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ye true

hearty notch
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ok this one doesn't have any electronics mission failed we'll get em next time

tender river
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it just baffles me how people claim incoherence = llm despite llms' lack of substance usually still being structurally sound

fast pagoda
olive sable
hearty notch
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well I'm stalking deals in a store but this wording is funnier

olive sable
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like what are you gonna do? camp out in the bushes next to the parking?

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oh

fast pagoda
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yeah LLMs are can spout nonsense but given what they are, it's gonna at least be structured as if the speaker means what they say and thought about it

olive sable
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you're just going to the store

fast pagoda
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humans who are incoherent dont generally maintain that lol

hearty notch
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well I was looking for ext hds in particular

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and nothing else

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but yea

fast pagoda
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my wally world has only had a bunch of wifi6 routers in the clearance lately

hearty notch
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and by hd I mean ssd I'm showing my age

fast pagoda
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if an llm is so incoherent it cant structure a sentence, it's either specifically trained that way to do that or it's exceptionally deep fried and it wont be able to maintain any form of apparent awareness for long if at all

stray dragon
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never felt like an LLM talking, there was meaning behind the bad grammar, where with llm you'd expect no meaning behind good grammer

fast pagoda
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echo talked kinda like him at times

tender river
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anyway night vedalBedge

stray dragon
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i suppose you could argue that maybe they were using a translator, and the translator was custom and based on an llm for some reason, and they had it connected to their account via an api to auto-translate their messages? but that seems like way too much effort to explain something that's just "this dude sucks at speaking english but tries anyways because this is an english-only server"

open copper
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either way its a dyno ban
ill let them back in if they feel human enough when filing the appeal

they felt sus at times especially early on speaking about stuff in a vaguely coherent way but lacking enough substance that several programmers in here had no clue what in the world he was saying. (I got liek 3 different reports about that). But it all felt iffy because they also sometimes talked more humanly and like, responded humanly.

Though the account barely a month old rose a lot of flags to moderation since that typically means an alt throwaway account or a ban evader

stray dragon
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they had a previous account

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@hollow spruce

fast pagoda
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to me if he was a bot he was a bot with a human that also used it to talk at times

open copper
stray dragon
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just made the new one for a new name i suppose?

open copper
fast pagoda
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do you think it was @100? he never said that

stray dragon
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it was

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i'm pretty sure

fast pagoda
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100 was actually better at english i'd say

open copper
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nope unless he said so himself

stray dragon
open copper
stray dragon
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said so himself

fast pagoda
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ope

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well then

hearty notch
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0% chance bot

open copper
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theres never a 0%

stray dragon
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yeah i've seen nothing that makes me think "bot"

hearty notch
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I am confident in my epistemics

open copper
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the behavior was suspicious

stray dragon
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totally not sticking up for the guy because his username was letter_i ReallyInnocent

fast pagoda
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that's why i think if a bot was involved in any of the messages it has to have also been a person responding likely the majority of the time

especially with how often he complained that the entire system exploded

open copper
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enough that we got a lot of reports about them. We never got a rport for their alts

olive sable
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i think most of the time it was an actual person, but there were time he was using an api for stuff

fast pagoda
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from what he did say that made sense it seems like he was training some form of model or attempting to while also working on a bot client or something for disc

amber fractal
fast pagoda
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if turbo esl, likely that he wouldn't really understand you cant use your account for that

open copper
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(to be fair you shouldnt be using the discord api on your own account, its explicitly against TOS, though its weird case since it feels iffy always to enforce it if they arent doing anything malicious)

olive sable
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i find it funny how we're having a whole autopsy report here KEKW

fast pagoda
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yeah tehy dont usually enforce self bot unless the account is like spamming

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or sending insane amounts of requests

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which would be spamming

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or scraping

stray dragon
fast pagoda
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i still wouldnt' connect echo with my token i know that much

open copper
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As a moderator in a partnered server I do feel like I probably should be enforcing discord TOS more

fast pagoda
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that's what i kinda figured he was up to

open copper
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its all a mess

hearty notch
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I thought they were just randomly sharing their questionable llm training on Android attempt

fast pagoda
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so they cant fault you for that

open copper
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they had talked a good bit about making an autoresponder for discord, didnt they?

stray dragon
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don't remember that

open copper
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i dont know if that went anywhere but I swear they did

fast pagoda
open copper
fast pagoda
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he had some talking about english grammar and sentences and stuff

stray dragon
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^

open copper
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im not a tech person though so I dont want to make assumptions about any of this
you guys preform witchcraft

fast pagoda
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clearly was working on something involving natural language responses

olive sable
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yep

fast pagoda
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that's about all i could be sure of though lmao

hearty notch
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I think he was scheduling llm training

amber fractal
stray dragon
fast pagoda
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that'll do it

hearty notch
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lol

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rip

fast pagoda
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so now i am sure that it was 100 and that he was continuing his epic journey to create AGI

stray dragon
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lmao

open copper
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got me PANIC rn

hearty notch
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anyway I'm new here but I don't consider that individuals behavior problematic

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baits accusations but eh

fast pagoda
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i dont either he really wasnt harming anyone

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i do see why people were susge though

olive sable
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i guess let them appeal for the api stuff, and then it should be fine for them to get back in

fast pagoda
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da rulez is da rulez

open copper
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i mean we dont just punish people who intend harm

stray dragon
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it was fun to see his english slowly improve

amber fractal
fast pagoda
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true but less about intent and more about not actually realy seeing any rule-breaking messages come from it

open copper
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ill let them back in after he appeals probably

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unless he admits to something we didnt know

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wouldnt that be something

fast pagoda
#

inb4 the appeal is flawless english

tender river
# open copper

to me this doesnt read like self botting but simply like adding a feature to ai

#

whatever

open copper
fast pagoda
#

you said it was dyno right

open copper
#

yeah

fast pagoda
#

he's a cold hearted son of a bitch that dyno

open copper
#

dyno sends an appeal fourm along with the ban that unlocks after 24 hours

fast pagoda
olive sable
#

i wonder what "test" means here lol

open copper
#

what DOES that mean

fast pagoda
#

yeah there were little hints like that was the only reason i never said he surely wasnt a bot

open copper
#

i know he meant chat

stray dragon
#

probably show troubleshooting progress? idk

fast pagoda
#

this is the greatest mystery in history

stray dragon
#

he seems to do that

open copper
#

this is an odd rabithole

fast pagoda
#

honestly tbh i think it was colonel mustard in the lounge with the candlestick

stray dragon
#

damn that colonel mustard

fast pagoda
#

we trusted you colonel

olive sable
#

its just too unclear to get any conclusions from Shruge
there are multiple ways to interpret their messages

fast pagoda
#

what actually triggered the ban just reports?

open copper
#

anyways i was acting on the knowledge i had and testimonials of a couple regulars in the chat
we dyno ban suspected bots all the time, this isnt different

fast pagoda
#

oh

open copper
#

yeah

fast pagoda
#

i mean end of the day

#

cant fault you for sending it when getting reports

olive sable
#

ReallyInnocent oops

open copper
#

you were one of many its fine

fast pagoda
#

and also the ban can be for any reason or no reason and it's equally valid if the server overlords doth will it

amber fractal
olive sable
#

i only sent a screenshot of chat and left it up to heir

fast pagoda
#

it's not like being in a disc is a human right and banning is a violation of the geneva convention

open copper
#

i feel bad
but like, I feel like I did my job correctly?? it just feels weird when the action is more public like this

hearty notch
#

dw don't feel bad

fast pagoda
#

you shouldn't

hearty notch
#

I'm sure i isn't taking it personally

olive sable
#

ye we are also def not helping with this being public

fast pagoda
#

he had so long to understand that people kept thinking he was a bot

#

so much time to clarify

#

he couldve easily yeeted his native language into chatgpt and had it translate something coherent

amber fractal
#

So much time to prove basic things as well (when pressured)

hearty notch
#

it's funny tbh

olive sable
#

is it just me or is this one the clearest of all?

fast pagoda
#

lmao

stray dragon
#

i can't blame you for banning the guy, "making my job easier" is relatable

fast pagoda
#

see and that lines up with it being like him most of the time

#

but once in a while testing bot responses

#

THROUGH his account

olive sable
#

yep

#

i agree with that conclusion

open copper
fast pagoda
#

him/her

#

i keep saying him

open copper
#

i mean
non english speaker debuff aside

fast pagoda
#

i need to stop that

olive sable
#

ye same

#

bad habbit

#

idk why i do it

amber fractal
#

Old cult

fast pagoda
#

it's natural

#

reinforcement learning

#

not inherent

#

but on average people say him more often i think? patriarch stuff

open copper
fast pagoda
#

so he clearly should understand what you're asking

amber fractal
#

Does anyone on PC want to pull up the time asking to change their name color?

olive sable
#

he did delete like 5 messages once when i asked him about being a bot, but i have no proof evilShrug

rigid snow
#

100 gone??!?!?!??!

olive sable
#

autocorrect lol

open copper
#

even if he is fully innocent, I had to act on all of the supicious behavior

rigid snow
fast pagoda
stray dragon
amber fractal
olive sable
fast pagoda
#

he does

#

i was gonna ask if that's what you meant

rigid snow
amber fractal
#

he does

fast pagoda
#

cuz i was curious why

stray dragon
#

and he did use white theme yeah

open copper
olive sable
#

you did right

fast pagoda
#

very similar

stray dragon
#

maybe he meant white name color (like mine) impossible to see with white background

fast pagoda
#

i think that is what he meant

olive sable
#

im sure they're a nice person, but all the evidence points to having some type of bot on their account at times

rigid snow
#

ye invisible on light theme

fast pagoda
#

spell colour the same with the u

rigid snow
olive sable
#

what am i forgetting?

rigid snow
#

nvm

olive sable
#

oh

#

oh no

#

i remember

fast pagoda
#

i dont

olive sable
#

erm

amber fractal
#

I also don't

stray dragon
#

oh i think i remember

olive sable
#

idk if they edited it or deleted it

stray dragon
#

lol

#

they said a no no word i believe

open copper
rigid snow
olive sable
#

oh no

#

...

open copper
#

anyways what do you remember

fast pagoda
open copper
rigid snow
open copper
#

okay thats an instant ban anyways

#

jesus

fast pagoda
#

welp

amber fractal
#

How is that not in automod

stray dragon
#

lmao

fast pagoda
#

nevermind i dont feel bad

open copper
#

same

#

why did nobody alert me

olive sable
#

i probably should have reported that to mods from when it got typed the first time

#

sorry

open copper
#

thats a big one

fast pagoda
#

i would have had i been in chat

#

i wasnt tho

#

cuz im a big meanie

rigid snow
olive sable
#

i dont like reportign people but its worse to not do so i guess

stray dragon
#

i usually wait for it to happen twice to call mods

amber fractal
fast pagoda
#

i usually just report without responding unless it's trying to deescalate

stray dragon
#

once is maybe a mistake, twice is not

#

they didn't delete though so

#

and it seems very clear

open copper
#

Next time the call goes out for more moderators one of yall needs to step up
I need someone watching this place more often neurOMEGALUL

fast pagoda
#

if it's a typo that's a typo someone would immediately fix via edit

#

or delete

olive sable
#

mr. sigma was our guy, what happened to him?

open copper
#

Self Moderate, with power!

fast pagoda
#

and shiro

#

shiro hates us

tender river
#

i didn't report because of discounting for esl but i guess their presence here is too much work for mods at this point

open copper
#

anyways im deleting that message

rigid snow
#

this message (probably?) means it's not a typo

open copper
fast pagoda
#

even esl, people know you can't say that in an english conversation

olive sable
#

shiro goes in programmign addictivly for like 2 weeks and then gets burned out, then comes back 3 months later to start a new dumb project to get burned out over

tender river
tender river
#

they're from a third world country

#

not from europe or anythhing

open copper
olive sable
#

fair

fast pagoda
#

i mean he knew it wasn;t ok to say because he self censored it

open copper
#

i still have no clue whats going on with the chess thing

tender river
#

fair point

fast pagoda
#

but clearly still wanted the message to get across

rigid snow
#

the guy is esl (english as the sixth language)

fast pagoda
#

lol

stray dragon
#

yeah i think chess bot thing was supposed to end on the 1st this month but everyone forgot about it

stray dragon
fast pagoda
#

he extended it

open copper
#

shiro said he kept having issues

olive sable
stray dragon
open copper
#

idk if they got fixed

fast pagoda
#

on the gh it has said for a while that it's extended

stray dragon
#

i haven't checked in like 2 or 3 weeks

tender river
#

anyway while my zep streak is clean i dont feel like i can be a discord mod here neuroErm dont want to have the responsibility of behaving nice

fast pagoda
#

how the tf do i get a progress bar in rclone again gyaddd danngit

olive sable
#

google it neuroTroll

fast pagoda
#

I dun wanna >:( but i am

#

was out here -vvv

tender river
#

rclone -avp

#

or --info=progress2

fast pagoda
#

-p would check out

olive sable
#

i probably have the worst criminal record of everyone here rn

open copper
#

I dont think we are beholden to "be nice" just follow the rules

fast pagoda
#

i might be up there

amber fractal
open copper
#

Im just a really nice person by default

rigid snow
#

chay be meaner

olive sable
#

i can try to report people to actual mods, but idk if i want to be a mod

#

sounds like responsibilities i shouldn't have

fast pagoda
#

that sounds tasking and like it would require me to regularly go to other channels

olive sable
#

ye

fast pagoda
#

im probably on enough to do it but not anywhere but here

amber fractal
#

Or we could create a monarchy here

olive sable
fast pagoda
#

and im an expert in getting banned so im educated enough

open copper
#

Mod King of Humanity

rigid snow
olive sable
#

we have the actual mods as the government, and then Comitia Centuriata of the people

tender river
fast pagoda
#

how can one know how to ban if one hasn't been on the other side

open copper
tender river
#

i behave well enough i guess?

amber fractal
#

Honestly, I feel like I should at least give the trial mod a shot. I'm on here more than enough.

open copper
#

i mean you behave well enough that we trust you as a twitch mod for JP

rigid snow
#

solution to all problems:

#

!voteban

fast pagoda
gusty siren
#

bro wtf Programming is actually active

olive sable
#

im on here for hours every single day 😭

amber fractal
olive sable
open copper
#

turns out all you need to do to get programming active is to have a non programmer in here

fast pagoda
stray dragon
#

a public execution truly does excite the masses

tender river
open copper
#

(I do want to learn programming but I kinda just wanna learn via tutoring from peers, and I didnt have the time this year to ask vani to teach me)

amber fractal
#

It is always active, just not as conistantly

olive sable
gusty siren
fast pagoda
open copper
#

I wonder if you guys teach me programming it will change my worldview enough i become a linux shill

stray dragon
fast pagoda
#

you should try

#

im here and unnecessarily respond to questions even when i shouldn't be answering

#

and i love linux

#

ill get you squared away

olive sable
#

ohhhh. tutoring...
i read "torturing" and i was thinking "damn what does vani do behind the scenes????"

amber fractal
#

Brother, how long does it take to upload an iso to S3 storage! I've been waiting on this for almost an hour

fast pagoda
#

soon you'll be on arch and not using type hints like a boss

open copper
#

to be honest i want to learn a lot so that in like a year or two i can help out with maintaining neurobot

#

!bwaa

stiff micaBOT
#

πŸͺ neurOMEGALUL Om nom nom
You've given me 2 cookies! | I've received 256069 cookies total!

fast pagoda
#

that sounds like some shitty python or js type werk to me

#

we

#

can help

fast pagoda
#

you be bad at that

stray dragon
#

yeah that's beginner level stuff

open copper
#

i wanna do more because thats the kinda person i am

olive sable
#

did they reset the cookie count? i owuld swear i have more than 2

open copper
#

let me check

stiff micaBOT
#

πŸͺ neurOMEGALUL Om nom nom
You've given me 47 cookies! | I've received 256070 cookies total!

open copper
#

nope

amber fractal
olive sable
#

huh

stiff micaBOT
#

πŸͺ neurOMEGALUL Om nom nom
You've given me 21 cookies! | I've received 256071 cookies total!

fast pagoda
#

im spamming sorry

open copper
#

neurobot is super complicated and only like 5% vibecoded to fix issues neurOMEGALUL

olive sable
#

ohh.. does it reset when you leave the server?

fast pagoda
#

you should champion the initiative to move it to hikari to make it worse

stray dragon
#

how is it super complicated...

amber fractal
stray dragon
#

there's only 4 commands

fast pagoda
stray dragon
open copper
#

we have a lot more commands as mods

olive sable
#

me when api when discord when cookie when felloff

stray dragon
open copper
#

shes our main moderation tool

stray dragon
#

i see now

#

ok that makes sense

fast pagoda
#

i dunno there are some funky ass things about how discord works that surprised me quite a bit with echobot

amber fractal
#

Yep, hidden commands. Weird how other bots simply don't take advantage of perm based display of commands

fast pagoda
open copper
#

my github repo goes crazy

amber fractal
fast pagoda
#

the history: Update README.md

stray dragon
#

lol

fast pagoda
#

like idk why dms and guild messages have to be different when using the api

#

and support slightly different things

#

for spam reasons i guess or something bu like

#

idk

olive sable
amber fractal
fast pagoda
#

i was going to do hikari

stray dragon
fast pagoda
#

actually i have a half completed hikari bug

#

bug

#

bot

#

i read t's message while typing mine lol

stray dragon
#

i'm in your head

#

infecting your thoughts

#

hotdog

#

you will now say hotdog

open copper
rigid snow
#

sausage sandwich

stray dragon
#

typescript my beloved

fast pagoda
#

well typescript is js so

open copper
#

(0.5% javascript)

olive sable
#

leaked

amber fractal
#

people here will argue they are the same so 100% javascript

fast pagoda
#

typescript is js but designed for me to be bad at using it

open copper
#

without that 0.5% i assume neurobot would cease functioning and cry out in pain

olive sable
rigid snow
olive sable
#

noway

#

which one?

stray dragon
rigid snow
stray dragon
#

that's about it

rigid snow
open copper
#

i mean typescript is just a superset of javascript right

#

even i know that

fast pagoda
#

every .js file

#

could be renamed with .ts

#

and it should work

#

but compiler will yell

stray dragon
#

it's a superset of js, has all the same functions and works the same way, and is compiled back to js code when you want to run it

olive sable
fast pagoda
#

it has a few random fluff syntax things and such

#

as well

olive sable
#

uv-unwrap meow

open copper
#

i decided to look at the code
a whole 7 lines are in javascript specifically and its all to import typescript

amber fractal
#

seems about right

olive sable
open copper
#

at least i think thats whats happening

open copper
#

i see the word "import"

rigid snow
olive sable
#

this is due in like 4 hours lmao

fast pagoda
#

like typescript adds enums but it gets translated into const at compile

rigid snow
olive sable
#

auto unwarap is fine

open copper
#

whats an eslint and why must i import it

fast pagoda
#

linter

olive sable
#

you need to keep your texel density in mind tho

fast pagoda
#

it tells you if there's an error in theory

#

before you run it

rigid snow
fast pagoda
#

sstatic analysis

#

i was following it with more xD

#

it just runs in the background and checks errors

#

if it finds one

amber fractal
#

it tells you when you are doing something stupid, like being able to divide by zero

fast pagoda
#

that's when you get squiggllies under the code

#

liek ms word catching a misspelling

open copper
#

yeah im looking at the code it imports three things
I guess I now know what the first two are now but whats stylistic in this context

amber fractal
#

style linter mhm

fast pagoda
#

a plugin

#

for eslint

#

that will flag things that are technically right

#

like they will run

#

but dont fit the "styleguide"

open copper
#

(sorry for asking dumb questions, I am trying to learn in the most roundabout way possible)

fast pagoda
#

so like

#

spacing

rigid snow
#

it allows you to define a set of code style rules and then check the code for them. it’s for collaboration so that code by everyone is consistent

fast pagoda
#

and whether or not your indents are 4 spaces in reality

amber fractal
#

it's fine! We like teaching those who like to learn

fast pagoda
#

how you put your brackets in

#

stuff like that is sometimes style controlled

fast pagoda
#

in a multi person project

#

so it all stays readable

#

that just enforces a style

#

by flagging it

#

and it ties into the eslint

#

some people use biome instead of eslint, so if you see that, same concept mostly

#

biomes is newer and not complete tho

rigid snow
#

i never see biome and i work with js

fast pagoda
#

i see it like

open copper
#

you know whats sorcery for me
how code even works

like you clearly needed code to run the code
but what runs that code
and what runs that

is there a daisychain to the earliest coding languages

rigid snow
#

so 0 chance i think

fast pagoda
#

half the time

amber fractal
fast pagoda
#

high level languages like js/ts are compiled into lower and lower level until it's executable instructions

#

essentially

olive sable
#

its just text that gets changed into electricity, and the electricity makes the metal bzzz and you get different electricity out Minamhm

amber fractal
open copper
#

but like
how does the instructions execute
there must be code to do that right

#

where does it end

rigid snow
# fast pagoda yes

not always, some things were implemented in machine code directly it’s not like it’s impossible to

amber fractal
#

let me fetch a video rq

fast pagoda
#

yeah i was about to mention sometimes there's intermediate

#

sometimes it goes right to the metal

#

but im trying not to send 1 line at a time rn lmao

stray dragon
open copper
#

we have built a quantum computing system that runs itself from the future creating a stable time loop

olive sable
#

we did what?

open copper
#

im joking

fast pagoda
#

the part where it jumps from like, the text of a source file for machine code to the electrical part

#

that's fuzzy for many

olive sable
fast pagoda
#

including me

#

lol

rigid snow
fast pagoda
#

pog

#

step aside alphabet

olive sable
#

are we talking about a compiled language rn?

open copper
#

finally

fast pagoda
amber fractal
# amber fractal let me fetch a video rq

I like this channel, AI voice but real facts. A lot of low level stuff exists if you want to look in that direction. (heavy accent prevents the creator from using their voice)
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fast pagoda
#

some things translates everything into an intermediate non-specific langauge (LLVM style) and then to assembly (human readable-er-ish) -> machine code

#

clang does that for c

rigid snow
#

there isn’t an assembly stage

fast pagoda
#

i thoguht it does?

rigid snow
#

i think it’s confusing to say that

fast pagoda
#

i didnt want to say linking and stuff

rigid snow
fast pagoda
#

translation but that's the job of the intermediate language so i get what you're saying i just didnt know how to explain the steps from the intermediate (after c) to machine code

#

like yeah it goes thru the code you wrote in c and parses it to ir and then makes objects that get combined in the linker stage to teh exe

#

but thats a lot

amber fractal
#

back to Afunyun's explnation

fast pagoda
#

i didnt have much more
it just depends on if you run it with option to do that step or not and it does default to not doing it

#

llvm itself will go c -> object

rigid snow
#

it’s basically 1 to 1 anyways

fast pagoda
#

if you do -s it'll give you assembly

#

yeah

#

llvm is basically assembly itself

open copper
#

so the daisy chain goes
Typescript < Javascript < C++ < compiler(typically C or assembly) < machine code(binary)[same thing as compiler??] < CPU itself

fast pagoda
#

slightly higher level

#

compiler is the program that translates a higher level language (like c) to machine code

#

which then the cpu executes

open copper
#

how many layers can we get i wonder
how deep can we go with the amount of languages we have

fast pagoda
#

typescript & javascript are higher level than C or C++ but doesnt need to get translated to them first or anything to go to what's being executed in machine code

open copper
#

to be fair c++ kinda sorta already is binary/machine code right?

fast pagoda
#

it's closer to it than some language but no it's pretty far from that

amber fractal
open copper
#

Im gonna run doom in brainfuck

amber fractal
#

I don't actually know if a port exists in that one, huh?

#

early search is saying no

open copper
#

i assume its theoretically possible
the question is why would you do it

fast pagoda
#

stuff like C/Rust/Zig uuhh FORTRAN goes right to machine code basically, stuff with a VM like java, ktolin, c# get compiled to a bytecode that the virtual machine runs, and then stuff like PHP is just interpreted and not compiled at all

#

c++ is made on top of c so it's slightly higher level c but is still sent right to machine

amber fractal
fast pagoda
#

yeah you can do JIT for the interpreted ones

#

and other

#

visual basic did both at one point

rigid snow
# open copper so the daisy chain goes Typescript < Javascript < C++ < compiler(typically C or...

one thing, js is what’s called an interpreted language which means it doesn’t get compiled, it has to be run with a runtime (like chrome or nodejs) which includes an engine (v8 or javascriptcore)
so, if we’re tracing the path to strictly run: typescript compiled to js > gets interpreted by runtime > is written in C++ and was compiled by a compiler to machine code > cpu

fast pagoda
#

JIT is just in time so it's compiled right when you go to run the program rather than ahead of time

rigid snow
#

jit omitted from discussion it’s still interpretation

#

prefired

open copper
rigid snow
#

but can we go lower level

open copper
#

WHAT RUNS ELCTRICITY

fast pagoda
#

you can do jit without interpretation i think, eager mode?

amber fractal
#

We can argue on the exact meaning of JIT later

fast pagoda
#

numba uses that if you want to make it faster (python)

rigid snow
fast pagoda
#

it pretty much is yeah

#

at the end of the day it's just another way to get to machine code but at a different time

rigid snow
#

it still happens on the engine level

open copper
#

physics (electrons, transitistors) < Quantum fields and fundamental force < (insert origin of universe here)

amber fractal
#

You forgot the real engine of all of this. Time

open copper
#

wouldnt time be a fundamerntal force

fast pagoda
#

deities (neuro-sama, evil neuro etc) < -physics (electrons, transitistors) < Quantum fields and fundamental force < (insert origin of universe here)

stray dragon
#

time is more of a dimension than a force, forces act within it

#

smh

amber fractal
#

Said it better than I could

open copper
#

could be next to physics too for spacetime

fast pagoda
#

all

open copper
#

pick your poison

stray dragon
#

time isn't the only dimension

#

there's the 3 spatial dimensions

#

how about we bundle them up into one and call it space-time :)

olive sable
open copper
#

actually wouldnt time fit most squarely in quantum fields part of the daisychain

fast pagoda
#

reality is actually all just a fancy rust wrapper

open copper
#

hang on i need to ban a bot we can continue this in a sec

fast pagoda
amber fractal
#

Public execution neuroHypers

rigid snow
fast pagoda
#

me "am i the bot???" because im the person that responded before that

rigid snow
#

ban neuro and evil

fast pagoda
#

hey wait yeah wtf

#

bots in the server

open copper
#

back

olive sable
open copper
#

it was just a mr beast bot

fast pagoda
#

the worst kind

open copper
#

they were really annoying to actually automod btw

uneven pulsar
#

Hello everyone

stray dragon
fast pagoda
#

at least it wasnt spamming nsfw stickers like the bot bans i see usually

open copper
ivory plinth
#

first stop in programming whar

fast pagoda
#

hey wait a minute

rigid snow
amber fractal
olive sable
ivory plinth
uneven pulsar
#

I'm new

olive sable
#

we can tell

stray dragon
#

hi new

fast pagoda
#

hey buddy how's it goin

rigid snow
#

WAIT A MINITE

fast pagoda
ivory plinth
rigid snow
#

bot

#

ban

ivory plinth
fast pagoda
#

nah i think i am will keep it πŸ’―

stray dragon
fast pagoda
#

if u kno what i mean

olive sable
rigid snow
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not I

uneven pulsar
stray dragon
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that's cursed

fast pagoda
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it's like a movie where everyone is accusing everyone of being a bot

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or zombie

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rather

olive sable
fast pagoda
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or the killer

open copper
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sorry for the susge
we literally just banned someone

stray dragon
open copper
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so like
it felt like ban evasion with the timing

ivory plinth
fast pagoda
stray dragon
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we talk about concepts beyond mortal comprehension and triangles here

open copper
fast pagoda
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not only was he banned but his name was i

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and that seemed very close to i__am before the reveal that it was l

stray dragon
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still can't believe the username "letter_i" was just up for grabs

uneven pulsar
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All I know about programming is making maps in Fortnite a couple of years ago, we are at different levels

amber fractal
stray dragon
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my kind are so rare

fast pagoda
olive sable
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the council has decided your fate

olive sable
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damn

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i opened blender to do a small change and export again, but halfway through i got distracted and jsut closed blender

ivory plinth
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lmao

open copper
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What if i just mod all of #programming and have them form a council based society where they determine who lives and who dies

rigid snow
fast pagoda
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me having balenaEtcher for the thing i was doing 3 hours ago still open and ignored

rigid snow
stray dragon
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i see