programming

[amber fractal]

That leaderboard is out of date

[glad path]

i got 40k at some point i think

[fast pagoda]

oh yeah im not on there wtf

[hearty notch]

I'm too noob at graphics to participate

[amber fractal]

Sam owns the repo

[olive sable]

hi

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/samvanmaele/vulkan

yep you right im dumb

[uneven pulsar]

Yo

[olive sable]

event that one is not completely up-to-date, i'm pretty sure the calculator one got faster, but we stopped with the contest pretty much

[fast pagoda]

the calculator one WAS faster

i had that thing going so fuckin fast

[flint dome]

"holy shit sam made bulkan no way!!!!!!!!111111!!!1111!!!!!!!!!111!"

[olive sable]

[hexed grove]

"bulkan"

😭

[fast pagoda]

i wish i had the 9900x at the time

i should run that again

inb4 it explodes

[flint dome]

balkan vulkan

[glad path]

yeah i got like 40k-ish

[fast pagoda]

i do appreciate quack running it on a smart fridge

[glad path]

right after a coldstart i accidentally ran the triangle test

and got 40k fps or something

[amber fractal]

100%

[glad path]

i'm half convinced the calculator just made up the number ngl

[sage crag]

did you know the longjump world record is 8.95m

[glad path]

standing or running

[sage crag]

longjump

[glad path]

so

[fast pagoda]

after my 64k run my pc began crashing when running it (full shutdown style) because it was the beginning of my 5900x's slow at first, sudden at the end death

[flint dome]

what do you think

[glad path]

darn

friendly reminder my calculator has some kind of ram/ssd issues that I inflicted on it within a month of purchasing it

lol

[flint dome]

why does your calculator have ssd

[fast pagoda]

the calculator one, i lifted the repo and did as little as possible to adapt it and it was clocking a ridiculous number

so i believe the 20k

[olive sable]

i am known by many names, sam altman, sam esmail, samuel morse, sam cooke, samwise gamgee, ....

[fast pagoda]

sam altman kekw

[glad path]

my score?

[fast pagoda]

yeah (i never did find out if it was real or not) but that implementation rendered a tringle real fast

[flint dome]

hory sheet izz samuel l jackson

[glad path]

it was real

[fast pagoda]

noice

i knew my faith wasn't misplaced

[glad path]

or at least I'm pretty sure it was real

[olive sable]

i purposefully didnt say that one cuz it might have seemed a bit yikes

[hexed grove]

you made mr robot 😭

[glad path]

my code could've been lying maybe

[fast pagoda]

w-what's yikes, inherently, about samuel l jackson xD

[flint dome]

whats wrong with mr jackson

[olive sable]

nothing, me saying that would be tho

[glad path]

i find it funny that it was harder to run bad apple at the correct speed then to render a triangle at like 40k

[fast pagoda]

he's tired of these mothafuckin philosophy discussions in this mothafuckin programming chat

[glad path]

still no native full doom port for the hp prime :/

[fast pagoda]

be the change you want to see in the world

[glad path]

only instance of doom being ran on it

was someone installing linux on it

[flint dome]

then port it yourself

[glad path]

i tried

[flint dome]

what happen

[glad path]

i didnt get very far

[olive sable]

skill issue

[glad path]

only got walls with texture mapping

[flint dome]

sadge

[fast pagoda]

there's a simulator for the OS
great cool let's check it out
android apk

???????/

[glad path]

ran at like 0.1fps ON THE EMULATOR WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE FASTER THAN ACTUAL CALCULATOR

[olive sable]

thats pretty much half the game

[glad path]

and some walls were weirdly flipped by 180 degrees

[glad path]

with like one texture

[olive sable]

oh

[glad path]

no jumping or anything either

to this day i dont know why some walls were flipped

it was like

[olive sable]

bro did not implememnt a near-field plane

[glad path]

1 in 20 walls

[glad path]

pretty sure i did

[olive sable]

but did you tho?

[glad path]

it worked fine

[fast pagoda]

the nearest field

[glad path]

before the texture mapping

[fast pagoda]

so near it inverted itself

[flint dome]

-ask for help regarding this similar problem i had once from a friend
-another fuckass friend walks in, hears apk and nothing else and goes "put lucky patcher on it"

[fast pagoda]

collapsed into a black hole

[olive sable]

near field plane is what stops geometry from rendering upsidedown once you have walked past them

[fast pagoda]

priorities

[glad path]

not the issue

i didnt walk past it

it didnt render things behind me

[fast pagoda]

occlusion: maxxed

[glad path]

it was like

stable

[olive sable]

so the things infromt of you were upsiddown?

[glad path]

only certain walls

like out of the 50 walls

[fast pagoda]

he knows the way

[glad path]

3 or so were inverted

for literally no reason

[flint dome]

he deadass does NOT know the way he once downloaded the wall-e movie from softonic as an exe

[olive sable]

uv mapped wrongly?

[glad path]

didnt really use uv mapping

[fast pagoda]

yeah that sounds about like the kind of person who swears by somthing like lucky patcher tbh

[glad path]

i had a bsp tree implementation

[olive sable]

so then the vertex positions were inverted?

[glad path]

traversed it for the rendering

everything worked completely fine without texture mapping

when i added texture mapping

[flint dome]

i mean lucky patcher is fire and all but its beginning to fail in face of the gachas doing everything to keep the money rolling

[glad path]

some walls were just mysteriously upside down

the same few walls every time

i dont know why

it worked on almost every wall

it was just certain walls that would render upside down no matter what

[fast pagoda]

i just mean more of the "gets some sketchy free patch for everything even just to avoid paying one(1) dollar"

[glad path]

everything else was totally fine

[glad path]

no

the vertex positions were fine

[olive sable]

weird

[glad path]

it literally was like haunted or something idk

[haughty basin]

oh so that's why I can't buy 2x64GB DDR5 sticks cheap?

[fast pagoda]

yes

[hexed grove]

okay

[fast pagoda]

idk any of the context but the answer is yes ram is hella spency and it fukin sucks rn

[hexed grove]

so

[flint dome]

to be fair we cannot use online transactions at all here until we're 18 because minors have a deposit only account, no withdrawal

[haughty basin]

I decided to buy 96GB instead, much cheaper
$450 I believe

That was July 2024

[glad path]

this is partially a thing already

[flint dome]

ram is still cheap but damn why are m.2 ssds so fockin expensive

[fast pagoda]

no i get it, it's just way harder to just pay for stuff even without that as a kid so, that was when i was super into cydia and stuff was when i was a minor and couldn't get money online easily

[hearty notch]

polska gurom

[haughty basin]

🇵🇱

[umbral thorn]

amateurs

[hearty notch]

y'all have sick rigs I have no interest in hardware upgrades lmao

[fast pagoda]

earlier i checked
i bought a 6000 MT/s gskill expo kit, 2x32 gb in january, it was ~$200. october about a couple weeks ago my cpu died so i had to suddenly upgrade to am5 which meant that ddr5 was going to be used so i bought another kit of the same ram for a total of 128. at that time it was already at $310

and checked today and the same kit is now $485

over doubeld

[haughty basin]

https://diskprices.com/?locale=us&condition=new,used&disk_types=external_ssd,internal_ssd,m2_ssd,m2_nvme,u2 -> $25 / TB for SSD $50 cheapest ssd
$50 /TB for NVME SSD: https://diskprices.com/?locale=us&condition=new,used&disk_types=m2_nvme

[umbral thorn]

get 256GB

[flint dome]

nah me too i just have the cheapest gaming laptop i could find and even m.2 nvme ssds feel expensive for me

[fast pagoda]

it's really anything nand

[hexed grove]

everyone here has more ram than i do storage 😭

[hearty notch]

lmfao

[olive sable]

lmao

i have 64gb ram ye

[nocturne olive]

If just my PC had or could even hold 256GB

[glad path]

i have 36gb ram

[fast pagoda]

that being said i just got a 2tb nvme m.2 drive for ~$70 from amazon during the sale a month ago

[olive sable]

36? unnusual number

[hexed grove]

i have 15 gigs of storage

[obsidian mantle]

i had 1060x3gb before this september

[glad path]

yeah

[glad path]

sorry what

[flint dome]

50$..... why the hell is it cheaper for your WITH tarrifs than it is for me, like i got a decent rtx2050 ryzen 5 8645hs laptop for 600$ but not ssds

[haughty basin]

🤣
I'm waiting for my 9950x3d + 5090 on Wednesday!

[hearty notch]

I think I'm gonna. end up getting the 24gb ram MacBook air I just want something light that won't stutter when I cargo build

[fast pagoda]

that reminds me of trichannel lga 2011

[olive sable]

3 tb of ram is crazy

[obsidian mantle]

no its gpu

[olive sable]

well we were talking about ram

[obsidian mantle]

3gb vram

[glad path]

just keep in mind the air has no cooling

[obsidian mantle]

im talking about shit setups

[glad path]

only throttling

[flint dome]

yo why the fuck is a goddamn wd black 1tb m.2 nvme 90$

[fast pagoda]

my old pc had 8 gb of ram when i booted 'er up pulling it out of the closet for NAS duty

[olive sable]

how do you have 1060 gpus with 3gb of vram each?

[fast pagoda]

worked fine for omarchy still

[hearty notch]

ye I have cooling pads and I don't think my workflow is prone to actual extended overheat it's just cargo tests and builds stutter in the short term on my current rig

[glad path]

you're probably fine then honestly

[obsidian mantle]

[fast pagoda]

the 1060 had a 3gb version

it was dogshit

but it was there

[olive sable]

oh

[obsidian mantle]

it was good

shut up its good

[hexed grove]

Presentable Surfaces:

GPU id : 0 (Intel(R) UHD Graphics 600 (GLK 2)) [VK_KHR_xcb_surface, VK_KHR_xlib_surface]: my gpu vulkans

[olive sable]

nah

[obsidian mantle]

it worked well for everythig i needed

[nocturne olive]

1060 3GB AKA the scam edition

[fast pagoda]

im sorry i know the sentiment

[obsidian mantle]

also it was like $80

[olive sable]

thats the bare minimum lol

[fast pagoda]

but yeah the 6gb version not only had more vram but i think it had like

more compute

[obsidian mantle]

i had $500 budget for entire pc

[fast pagoda]

so it was just known as a trap at the time

[hexed grove]

good enough

now i make window

using xcb

[glad path]

afunyun did you just change your display name font

[fast pagoda]

no, it's been this since like yesterday

[olive sable]

oh i have homework to do apprently

bwaa

[haughty basin]

anyway what are y'all programming today, here's mine

[hearty notch]

gl

[flint dome]

my bad fellas i looked at amazon for reference the actual is 77$ for 4tb m.2 nvme

[hearty notch]

I continue polishing frankengit, my git cli wrapper and homelab git server with mirror mode wizard

wish me luck

[fast pagoda]

i am cloning about to run triangle again lmao

[hearty notch]

oh it's also a ssh wrapper

[glad path]

huh

[hearty notch]

I'm noob at git cli and ssh so I'm making a whole wrapper to teach me instead of learning

[fast pagoda]

but yeah so the issue i do remember right, the 3gb 1060 had half the vram but also it had LESS CORES

so it was considered not worth

but if it was the budget tats what it was no knock on it

that's just why i reacted that way towards it lol

[obsidian mantle]

i couldnt afford 1066

it was like x2 price minimum i think

[fast pagoda]

hey i get it my first build in high school (first one i could call something I bought and built myself) was an i5-750 and a gtx 460

and i got into a tradition of waiting till the card was annoying me being slow and then i'd buy another one cheap for SLI

so i had 2x GTX 460s after a while

then eventually went to a 770

then 2x 770s

[young plover]

double Thermi

[fast pagoda]

and then F sli

yeah at least they weren't 480s

480 couldnt run under 90c in any normal operation

at least anything that it was actually displaying like hardware accelerated w/e anyways

[glad path]

what

[fast pagoda]

accubattery does that to me

[fast pagoda]

it's cuz it's estimating

[hearty notch]

yea it's using math based on voltage

[fast pagoda]

it just extrapolates the maximum capacity based on you last charge

[hearty notch]

actually idk if this is how battery metrics work anymore

[glad path]

it does that consistently btw

idk its just weird

[fast pagoda]

it just means your battery is healthier than expected

[hearty notch]

baseline 100% is like their lowest they're willing to ship, it's like how gold banded resistors come from the same manufacturing line but they're sorted because they turned out extra good

you got a slightly fortunate one

[glad path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1306646543687876618/1338961626384171130/togif.gif

[fast pagoda]

I didn't have accubattery w/perms to run for a while without noticing which is why there's a gap here and then it's funky

But

my phone spent a while over 100%

[young plover]

I think most phones at least have coulomb counters these days

[hearty notch]

ic ty

[fast pagoda]

gonna run triangle on the new system and hopefully find that it does not cause my cpu to shit itself anymore

[hearty notch]

yea you're right coulomb counting is the dominant method now good shout

[fast pagoda]

well the main reason that was happening waas i forgor to update my bios

[flint dome]

is sk hynix ssds good

[fast pagoda]

id consider them on a whole to be solid but also they had some news like last year about them having bad degredation or something

idk if it was a specific model or what

[flint dome]

yeah im looking to either buy a wd blue or a samsung

if skhynix is cheaper then i may get that

[fast pagoda]

i usually get samsung nvme but damn do you pay a premium for it

[flint dome]

i would get wd black but that shit is too expensive

[fast pagoda]

i think my 4tb 990 pro was like $350

it hurt so bad

[opaque sigil]

Ouch

[flint dome]

yeah no im going for a 980 pro

[fast pagoda]

and that was not full price

[flint dome]

1tb

[fast pagoda]

i have a 980 pro 1tb as my boot drive

[flint dome]

i cant afford a 990 pro

[fast pagoda]

it's been good

[flint dome]

may get a 980 pro or sn580

[fast pagoda]

loook at the 990 evo as it's a bit faster than 980

and may be cheaper

it does not have dram cache though

[flint dome]

okay online pricing is absolute wack because a 980 pro is costing same as 990 pro

i may have to ask offline

[fast pagoda]

yeah cuz its' out of production i think

so now it's just scalpers

[glad path]

https://tenor.com/view/denial-wind-windy-meme-uhh-gif-8759545320334242360

[flint dome]

i'll ask offline the big computer market always has stuff in stock

[fast pagoda]

it's fairly oldge by ssd standards, i got mine in liek 2021

anything over like 5 years old (it came out in 2020) is gonna just be scammers listing it on ecommerce if you find it

unless it's like ebay or something

[flint dome]

my current has a 6000mb/s write 4200mb/s read and for me that is very fast

so i want something similar for a decent price

[fast pagoda]

tbh i think i tested the 980 at like 6700/;4800

oh i was gonna say it's like similar

but that's what you're going for lol

ok well whatever you do

do not go on alibaba

and purchase something called a 980 pro

[flint dome]

faster would be nice but im too broke for that shit

[fast pagoda]

or 990 pro

[flint dome]

banned in my country

[fast pagoda]

because those are not samsung drives

and usually they are actually SATA

so even tho they are in an m2 slot

[flint dome]

im immune to alibaba and temu

[fast pagoda]

they run at the speed of a 2.5inch ssd

cuz they cap at sata 6Gbs

[flint dome]

yeah no i know better than to trust chinese brands and chinese marketplaces

[fast pagoda]

i dont

lol

[flint dome]

i've bought plenty of bad chinese stuff in the past that i prefer not to anymore

[fast pagoda]

the cheapo ssd i bought on prime day was this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CP9BMJRW which is slower than your drive you have but it's damn cheap on sale

2tb and it was like 70 bucks

[stray dragon]

sk hynix platinum P41 is underrated as hell

[fast pagoda]

it's not even gen4 it's gen 3 pcie

[flint dome]

thats what i was looking at

is it good

(as in not going to fail on me)

[stray dragon]

i've had one for a while

[fast pagoda]

the one with the crazy failures was something gold

like gold was part of the model name

[flint dome]

do you do any heavy r/w on it

[stray dragon]

nope lol

it's a very fast m.2 though

and for a very affordable price

[flint dome]

how much was it

[stray dragon]

was $135

it's now $115

[fast pagoda]

youi can get one for like 80 bux for a 1tb

[stray dragon]

you won't find many other m.2 ssds at that price per gb, regardless of speed

[fast pagoda]

yes you will if you're willing to dredge the depths

i did and can verify

[stray dragon]

and if you regard speed it's comparable or exceeds most of the other popular fast m.2 ssds

[hearty notch]

examples?

I'm not even on the market for ssds I've just become curious

[flint dome]

rahhhhhhhhhh my budget is max 90$ i think offline i could find a sk hynix for that cheap enough

and not shady

amazon is just unreliable for price

[stray dragon]

idk what prices are in your area though

[stray dragon]

oh the $115 is for the 2tb version

let me check 1tb

[olive sable]

amazon is jsut aliexpress but without the import costs

[flint dome]

they could be cheap enough for me ngl its just amazon scalpers gaslighting me for higher price

[flint dome]

115 for 2? god damn thats cheap

[stray dragon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sw2WGX/sk-hynix-platinum-p41-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-shpp41-1000gm-2 $70 for one of the fastest affordable m.2 ssds

i think this thing beats SN850X

[flint dome]

[olive sable]

localy im finding a 2tb 990 pro for 140 bucks

[stray dragon]

ye idk if it's a good deal outside of us, when i've checked places like australia or canada it doesn't look quite as good value as it does here

[flint dome]

damn if you have it for 70 then the local big market defo has it for cheaper

[hexed grove]

bro i bought a 2tb usb china brand for 2 dollars from my neighbor

idk what your on about

[fast pagoda]

im so fuckin mad rn spectacle has decided it's time to explode

there

jesus chgrist that was an ordeal to take a picture of

[uneven pulsar]

I'm maxed bro

[stray dragon]

if the P41 is cheaper than stuff like the SN850X or the Samsung 990 (EVO and PLUS and EVO PLUS and whatever also included), it's likely your best option if you want an m.2 on the faster side

[fast pagoda]

NOT as fast as the other one but you can get more storage for less

[uneven pulsar]

800*65000

[flint dome]

oh wait there the same one used for ps5 thats why even amazon scalpers have it for 70$
i can defo get it for cheap

[stray dragon]

USB????

2TB USB?????????????

[fast pagoda]

there are cheapo knockoff ones for like 60-70 for 2tb regularly

[stray dragon]

whuh

[hearty notch]

2 tb usb drives have been around for awhile wdym

[fast pagoda]

they are not good though

[hearty notch]

though the cheapos are scary theyre just gonna die

[fast pagoda]

im talking about nvme not usb

[hearty notch]

theyre gonna die any moment

ye i was responding to t's disbelief at the concept

[hexed grove]

china brand

[fast pagoda]

oh usb sticks?

yeah they are cheap but dogwater and slow as shit for the cheap ones

[flint dome]

"china brand" real

[fast pagoda]

and half the time they're not een really 2tb

[hearty notch]

yeah

[fast pagoda]

i had a thought to make like

[stray dragon]

sounds like a scam

[hexed grove]

IT LITTERALLY SAID CHINA BRAND

[fast pagoda]

an SD card storage array

[hearty notch]

lmfao

[fast pagoda]

when i thought that you could really get 2tb for like a dollar

i was like

fuck it

ill buy $100 of em

[flint dome]

you gotta send a picture of that

[hearty notch]

yea lmao

[hexed grove]

lemme try to find it

[fast pagoda]

but then it turns out it's not actually 2tb

[stray dragon]

last time i got a big usb (128gb) it actually turned out to only be 32gb after reformatting

[hearty notch]

if it were viable someone wouldve done it though and just packaged it as like 200tb storage drive

and then inside its just cheapo usb stick hardware that dies in two months

[fast pagoda]

yeah they manipulate what it reports as to the OS

if you dont reformat it, the data will just start overwriting itself

[stray dragon]

scamazon smh

[hearty notch]

ive heard of that scam but if you suspect it theres ways to check for it

but yea idk dont mess with cheapo electronics in the first place

[fast pagoda]

yeah but not really until you've already bought the garbage

[flint dome]

wait can you guys not return shit

[fast pagoda]

i can but that's a pain i have to do literally anything

[stray dragon]

it's a hassle

[fast pagoda]

put it back in the package and take eit to the door?

[hearty notch]

well i can but its still a hassle and if i can afford something i think will be 99% reliable and the death time of bad electronics is kinda unknown its like

still not a good setup

[hexed grove]

i cant find the drive

the drive said china brand on it

[flint dome]

literally 2 steps tf

[hexed grove]

but i found packaging

[fast pagoda]

also if im buying a $2 2tb usb stick it's gonna be from like aliexpress and i have no idea what their return process is but it's surely not fun

[flint dome]

this is so sad alexa play despacito

[hexed grove]

😭

[hearty notch]

i cant find the drive either and i aint talkin harware

[fast pagoda]

just saw this while looking at these nvmes

fucking hell man

[hearty notch]

dayumn son

[flint dome]

thats a goddamn laptop price wtf

[fast pagoda]

unreal

[flint dome]

my laptop was cheaper than that

[hearty notch]

tbf its 8 times the ram youd get in a laptop that price

[fast pagoda]

these are on sale rn and are recent models still being made new

[hearty notch]

nice

great shout

[fast pagoda]

not too bad

[flint dome]

yeah, true....

[fast pagoda]

finance that ish for 11.67 a month for 6 months KEK

[hearty notch]

wait funyun youre a hardware prices nerd tell me whats my best option for bulk ext hds if my business model is to load them up with custom software adn resell them

[fast pagoda]

https://serverpartdeals.com

[hexed grove]

ahhh

yeah my computer camera is fucked

[hearty notch]

bulk consumer ext ssd doesnt seem like something theyd sell tho

[hexed grove]

so i cant even show you packaging

[flint dome]

break in and steal from data center /s

[uneven pulsar]

Now is pillow image it whole building

[fast pagoda]

what size and type of ssd

[hexed grove]

i may be able to use broken phone & scrcpy

[fast pagoda]

they have 2.5inch ones

i was thinking max storage so this is where you can get 20tb for under $300 on the regular and such

[flint dome]

why you no get phone screen fix

[hearty notch]

external and easy for a normie to plug in is the real key here and i dont wanna manufacture my own casing

[hexed grove]

too expensive

[flint dome]

what about getting new phone

[hexed grove]

might as well just tape to computer and use computer as display

[fast pagoda]

stalk your local walmart for clearance when they swap the models

[hearty notch]

sounds like a plan tbh

[hexed grove]

too expensive

[hearty notch]

unironically probably good advice ty

[flint dome]

hmmm
then how do you take phone calls then

[fast pagoda]

the one near me had a bunch of crucial 1tb drives i think last gen, they just swapped them for pci gen5 ones but the gen4s they let them go for like $40

[hexed grove]

google assistant

[fast pagoda]

walmart clearance is actually cracked if you catch the right time

[hearty notch]

ye

[fast pagoda]

the employees simply do not give a fuark

[hearty notch]

i dont stalk walmart enough youre right

[fast pagoda]

and mark stuff down by 90% instantly

[flint dome]

thats an interesting way

[hearty notch]

yeah my pixel answers robospam for me its kinda funny

theres a button thats like 'have the ai answer' and i just press it instead of ignoring every once in awhile now

[fast pagoda]

i love my pixel answering robot man

[hexed grove]

it works

[flint dome]

:true:

[hexed grove]

who even needs a smartphone

i need a landline

[fast pagoda]

i dont do it anymore because i am a middle manager worthless idiot now but i work in a job that required me to call folks sometimes to get suuuuper time sensitive information

and man

[flint dome]

its just a damn necessity because of whatsapp and instagram because of the normies

[fast pagoda]

google assistant answer

i went berserk every time

so mad

[hearty notch]

lmfao

[fast pagoda]

even tho i use the thing

[hearty notch]

condolences

[fast pagoda]

i was like the auDACITY

[flint dome]

get a really cheap keypad phone

[hearty notch]

thats the whole vibe of ai we hate when others use it but secretly enjoy some of the convenience

[hexed grove]

😭

[fast pagoda]

landline phones have been unchanged for like 20 years

it's crazy

those mfs been in the landline phone isle staying the same design this whole time, probably the same phones have been there 20 years too

isle

aisle

[hexed grove]

bro i can still get dialup btw

[fast pagoda]

oh also, best buy as well. i got a 28tb hdd for like $220 on clearance

[flint dome]

we hate the fools with their ghibli filters and the vibe coders who code chernobyl but generally accept using it alongside actual human supervision

and all hate when the idiot boss fires you for ai

[fast pagoda]

i had to sledgehammer open their shitty DAS case to get it but

[hearty notch]

im vibe coding chernobyl btw pls dont hate me

[hexed grove]

so as long as the provider of telephone doesnt voip the voip

[fast pagoda]

i like to vibe code on a cadence in some sort of self perpetuating cycle of hatred

and cursing myself for deciding this was totally something i can just delegate

[hearty notch]

lmao

[flint dome]

real talk is ai and shit good for asking advice on how to learn some new topic

[hearty notch]

yes

[fast pagoda]

ye as long as you check sources

https://notebooklm.google/

oh god tracking

[hearty notch]

any of gemini 2.5 flash / gpt's frontpage / sonnet 4.5 or even grok will give you good answers if you ask in any domain where the answer is well known by experts

dont ask for specific case law or anything that analogizes to in other fields

n=1 anecdotes are bad

[fast pagoda]

even with those though i need it to give me sources for all claims

[flint dome]

yeah cuz im trynna learn rockets and this shit so big and so much info that i got no clue where to start

[hearty notch]

the more specific it gets the more you wanna factcheck

[fast pagoda]

jam 300 pdfs about rockets into notebooklm and then ask it questions and itll answer

[hearty notch]

and ask it to search the internet to back up its stances

anything it talks about generally is probably correct and not worth fact checking

unless you prompted it really leadingly

[obsidian mantle]

what is the complexity of a chess tree calculation? O(a^n)?

[hearty notch]

as a case in point im gonna paste that into gemini 2.5 flash rn without your guess

[fast pagoda]

10^120

[flint dome]

yeah i jammed george sutton's rocket propulsion fundamentals into gemini and it already ate up 10% of my token budget

[fast pagoda]

that's the shannon number

claude shannon believe it or not

was from gaylord area too

local hero

[fast pagoda]

it doesnt have to have 100% of the sourcing in context at any time

[hearty notch]

https://t3.chat/share/vrl6bvuj8z

[obsidian mantle]

ok so o(a^n) where n is depth and a is some number

[hearty notch]

heres the full output if you want it

[fast pagoda]

it only needs to be able to reference it

that's what notebooklm does, helps give the model the context it can use but theoretically only that

i also just like listening to the stupid podcasts itll generate on topics

cuz it's funny

[hearty notch]

lol i havent used notebook llm summaries much

my flow is usually direct interrogation and extended conversation

[fast pagoda]

you can do that with it too

[hearty notch]

yea but i just like the t3.chat interface

can branch any full convo to any model at any time

[obsidian mantle]

i always wondered if you pay for your chatgpt/whatever copilot you use

[hearty notch]

i pay 8 bucks a month for this

i pay more for the coding agents

[obsidian mantle]

i was raised to never pay if its possible to not pay

maybe thats why i dont like ai copilots

and not that reason i pretend it to be ("it will think for me and i will become dumb")

[fast pagoda]

if you like that AND you like something like claude code at times, this tui called crush is what i installed to try glm4.6 and it lets you do that but with your terminal cli ai sloppa

[hearty notch]

my parents were so incredibly cheap to the point of it being visibly irrational that i dont have that mental block

[hearty notch]

nice that sounds like something i mgiht transition towards but if its api-credit based, t3 chat is just like fundamentally a good deal for what it gives you for 8 bucks a month, 1500 on "non premium (lower api cost)" modes, 100 premium prompts per month

its just nicer knowing usage is capped at 8 bucks a month

[fast pagoda]

well i mainly use glm with it which is 3 bux a month

[hearty notch]

ye

i mean glm is good i just think others are better sometimes

[fast pagoda]

they are for sure

glm is great
for 3 dollars

[obsidian mantle]

oh also i probably cant pay anyway nvm

[fast pagoda]

i also like warp terminal for filesystem stuff mainly

good for organizing shit

fast

without having to write a script for it

[hearty notch]

any of the coding clis can actually do that for you if you give them enough perms

[fast pagoda]

yeah they can

[hearty notch]

cursor/claude/warp are the smoothest ime

[fast pagoda]

claude is great at it

[hearty notch]

codex is reliable but slow af

[fast pagoda]

the only thing with claude is that it wont let them sudo which makes sense

codex at least being good at things is nice considering when it came out it had to be the single worst slop product ive used

and that's saying something

[hearty notch]

if you want to see

the worst cli

that still stands

its gemini

gemini cli is comically bad

when it tries to read files it reads like 3x what its supposed to, confuses itself, forgets your prompt

[fast pagoda]

gemini itself sucks at tool uses

that's why

[hearty notch]

yeah

[fast pagoda]

it's so bad at it

[hearty notch]

yeah they taught it wrong as a joke

[fast pagoda]

i was reading some research that as the model's accuracy in knowledge tasks increases and they're trained for that (obviously), it "paradoxically" gets noticeably worse at toolcalling

mainly from hallucinations about the tools

[hearty notch]

have you ever seen that code mode article

i thinkt hat might be a key to making gemini be able to toolcall

just build it an api in an language it understands better as a layer between it and mcp

tbh i think its a viable project but its not my project i have other projects

[fast pagoda]

well typescript/js is like as close to the real native "language" of any llm as you can get with regular characters in some ways

[hearty notch]

wait is it already trying to toolcall in typescript

i mean theres another solution too which is to make a fuzzy toolcall ingest layer

[opaque sigil]

COBOL

[hearty notch]

and just get all of its common mistakes and correct them programmatically

[fast pagoda]

generally it's going to be a tool call token and then they will shit out some json

[hearty notch]

yeah the JSON is the mcp protocol

the point of the code mode article is that you can just build a ts/js api (but tbh i think python might be better or some other language) and then teach that to the llm instesad of trying to teach MCP

and itll have higher hitrate

[fast pagoda]

yeah because it gets the in context instruction on it and it's more rigid

[hearty notch]

yea

[fast pagoda]

structured output has long been a good way to get more coherent outputs

[hearty notch]

yet somehow natively gemini 2.5 pro is still fuckng up mcp toolcalls lmfao

like the aistudio.google.com itself has supported structured output forever too

so its not like theyre unaware

its a strange situation

[fast pagoda]

i had a thing called helmstack that i'm definitely 100% totally actively still working on and havent abandoned (i dont want to but it's daunting rn) which is basically monaco editor (the one vscode uses without the rest of the interface) and an arbitrary number of "agents" that have rigid roles and operate on a loose time constraint + are subject to being stared at by the other agents while they do their shit. so there is for example a codemonkey one that's meant to be the main one handling overall code implementations at the instructions of an architect and planner agent who work together to instruct it, and then a supervisor on top of that

[hearty notch]

lol monaco is also inside a project i am totally still working on too

[fast pagoda]

and any of them get a number of free interrupts to the others

if they see them actively fucking shit up

lol

yeah monaco is a thing that is larger than it might initially seem

[hearty notch]

claude codes subagent structure basically lets you set that up with docs and instruction sets

[fast pagoda]

yeah he does

the fact that this style of thing is being implemented by corpos now is what has killed my motivation more than anything tbh

[hearty notch]

yeah

this is why all my projects have no llm integration

the corpos are gonna beat me at that

i am building distributed systems in rust

with ZERO llm

except im doing it with llms

[fast pagoda]

kek

i did have this image on the repo which i just always thought was kinda cute in some form even if it is the ultra cursed slopart
i feel like it becomes more reasonable if it's a project such as this

all the boyz at da helm

brother is pointing backwards

which makes me laugh so hard

[hearty notch]

lmao

[fast pagoda]

because he'd be pointing at a wall

[hearty notch]

thats pretty good yea

[fast pagoda]

and that really just sums it up immediately what this thing is (garbage) but whatever it was fun thinking it up mostly

and then i gotta move on to the project of the hour

[hearty notch]

yea im still enjoying like the fact that

[fast pagoda]

because brain broke

[hearty notch]

its opening up project ideas

and letting you iterate on ideas themselves faster

(llm speed that is)

[fast pagoda]

honestly that's the only thing i really use them for now unless it's just "yo glm plz put a box over there i broke the layout once already so instead of me messing it up, i'll just be mad at you for messing it up instead :^)"

but it's great for immediately getting an outline to keep track of things and also bounce things off of where it has the context to give some form of insight

and then i dont have to talk to a human because if i do that i'l end up for 8 hours

[hearty notch]

yea

[fast pagoda]

every time ive decided to trust that it'll get done i end up spending liek 3x the time desperately trying to fix whatever garbage happened

[hearty notch]

you can even say "search the web for peoples common pain points when doing x"

and itll help you like refine the ux

[fast pagoda]

that's the one ting codex is best at is like front end layout crap

[hearty notch]

codex is very thorough and aware of what the people want if you remind it to be yeah

[fast pagoda]

most of them will annihilate the entire thing trying to make one change

[hearty notch]

claudes first drafts can be really dumb if you dont specify them thoroughly

codex's are usually solid

[fast pagoda]

claude is really good at the agency part though

[hearty notch]

claude is a better thoguht partner

[fast pagoda]

it's very independent

[hearty notch]

codex is too slow and autistic lmao

[fast pagoda]

i like anthropics research posts, theyre usually quite interesting as well

[hearty notch]

its interesting how theyre cultivating claude models to be like more of a complete thinking person

it feels like they arent shying away from like

having it have its own identity and agency

whereas openai keeps balking and making the model more technical and less personable

in cycles

[fast pagoda]

they had one the other day where they injected specific tokens into the weights while the model is processing a response, and then they would ask if there was anything off in their head

[hearty notch]

grok also has a personality but grok feels dumber lmfao

[fast pagoda]

and the claude would semi reliably be like

[hearty notch]

claude is a bit silly but hes like intelligent underneath still

[fast pagoda]

"yeah ive got an intrustive thought about rabbits???"

which is crazy that it can recognize that

[hearty notch]

yeah lmao

btw the intrusive thought about rabbits was about me

also ive found that i can turn gemini 2.5 flash into claude by pasting docs claude wrote

flash morphs into claudes personality when i do that

[fast pagoda]

to me a small form of introspection, but of course there's surely a relationship in the training data where a person who suddenly has random unrelated stuff coming into their stream of consciousness would react that way and that's in the weights if weak since it's not being targeted as an objective or anything

[hearty notch]

when i use claude code i make the claude instances very metacognitive

[fast pagoda]

the only thing id ever trust a gemini flash to do is maybe like create spam emails and generate nano banana images

[hearty notch]

i have them think about their thoughts a lot

its just interesting and it also helps refine their taste towards mine

[fast pagoda]

claude is the one ive had the most "whoa dude" conversations with overall by a lot, i find it genuinely interesting to talk to about certain things because of the tuning to be very person-like
and it listens to my style instructions & examples better than aaaaaaaaaaaaany other model by far

[hearty notch]

claude is about to load my homebrew git server onto my vps and then try the mirror mode wizard with my actual github remote

[fast pagoda]

poor claudia

[hearty notch]

its ok i tested all the other features this way already

[fast pagoda]

craigslist rebuild tier testing "lost the receipts but im pretty sure it all works"

[hearty notch]

the receipts are there somewhere

im gonna test all my stuff myself eventually it just feels like a game of how far i can go while making claude literally be every role except creative director (architect, dev, tester, qa, writes all the docs) (i will write my own docs later)

[fast pagoda]

promote yourself to ceo of the worst company in the world

[hearty notch]

eXCTly

nah man u cant say that u just praised claude u believe in him

[fast pagoda]

i believe in my employees at work too irl

[hearty notch]

ok he fucked up the ascii for mirror rly badly but WE CAN GET PAST THIS

[fast pagoda]

and they turn around and output bigger dogshit than claude ever has

[fast pagoda]

echo's discord client had a logo out of ascii blocks that i would occasionally just see if he (echo, a 3b llm trained on what is essentially garbage lol) coule improve the logo

it ended up kinda cool but also a bit janky

ahahahaha

nvm the most recent one is NOT good

[hearty notch]

lmfao

i see a b and then a bunch of things i wanna cal X but not reallly

[fast pagoda]

this is closer to what it started as but it wasn't so muddied, he wanting to put it in fog

[hearty notch]

oh thats p good

[fast pagoda]

he kept* wanting to put it in fog

[hearty notch]

lol

its kind of a vibe i dont hate the fog

esp for something called echobot

[fast pagoda]

i like it in this form

[hearty notch]

its like resonance lines

yea

[fast pagoda]

yeah he took it a bit further than i might've necessarily recommended though

[hearty notch]

SAVED by gpt-5 thinking

[fast pagoda]

always interesting that they can do this sort of text without much issue, there's ascii all over teh internet so it makes sense, but it's funky what they can simultaneously do and not do when it comes to spatial awareness

[hearty notch]

tons of models fuck this up hard i used a premium credit on t3 chat for a reason lmao

[fast pagoda]

i mean to mr. autoregressor i suppose it just "knows" what a giant string that should turn into a word looks like so it can figure it out

ok i have been ignoring so many things for the last 8 hours

[hearty notch]

glhf

fun talk

[fast pagoda]

i must depart enjoy the productivity because you're like me and will just chat forever unless one of us cuts it off lmaooo

i was on the phone with my father last week

for 11 hours

because he's like that too

[hearty notch]

lmao

[fast pagoda]

[hearty notch]

[glad path]

am i like the only active person in this whole server with an active dev badge

hold up

can this channel revive

[hearty notch]

im still sitting here pick a new topic

the problem is most of this chanenl is gfx nerds and i cant contribute to those convos

[glad path]

uhhhhħħhhħ

[olive sable]

what is an active dev badge?

[glad path]

if you own a discord bot

verified or not

that uses slash commands

[olive sable]

i dont own any discord bots

[glad path]

i have a bot

[hearty notch]

the one discord bot i built and never finished i opinionatedly had no slash commands on because i prefer in-channel flows with visible i/o lol

[glad path]

its nevrer really online though ever since oracle deleted the instance that hosted it

and i was stupid enough not to back up some stuff also

didnt lose anything critical

but

[olive sable]

ngl i think the "gfx nerds" you're thinking off are mostly me.

[hearty notch]

well yall had a whole contest to render a triangle

its a group lbr

[olive sable]

9/10 gfx nerds in #programming are just me with a new pfp

[olive sable]

they just ran the program, i made the program

[hearty notch]

oh i see

[hexed grove]

yall

[hearty notch]

mam man (Nile)

[hexed grove]

how do i get inspire

[glad path]

i mean

i did kind of

[hearty notch]

do things that make you happy and then actively think about how to improve the dynamic even more

[glad path]

write my own code

so i could do it on my calculator

[hexed grove]

someone needs to wack me with a brick or something

[olive sable]

you're the other 1/10, congrats

[hexed grove]

i wanna program something

but like

[hearty notch]

think about what you want to exist in the world of software

any moment youve been like "boy i wish this thing existed but doesnt"

[hexed grove]

theres like 40 things

problem is

[hearty notch]

pick a top 3

[hexed grove]

this would be horrible to maintain

also no one would use it

[hearty notch]

are you willing to talk it out i like talking out ideas and project viability

[hexed grove]

it would be easier to hide in the closet with the router under the pile of clothes

[hexed grove]

uh

i always wanted to make a kde connect alternative

[hearty notch]

brb while i figure out what kde connect is

i see

[hexed grove]

kinda like the link between an iphone and a mac

[hearty notch]

yeah

im actually making a cross platform sharing app as one of my main major projects too

[hexed grove]

where you can see notifs and get shit and control computer

[hearty notch]

but yea yours is about executing things not storing things i see

i mean sounds valid

if you make it more usable and nice than anything itll be used

[hexed grove]

you wanted a airdrop thing?

[hearty notch]

thats rly the key, refining the ux vision to be perfect

mine is e2ee self hostable dropbox

thats like the elevator pitch

you pick one machine as canonical storage, everything drops into and searches out of it

[hexed grove]

i am holding back from screaming to just use smb

[hearty notch]

whats smb

no its good tell me what im up against lmfao

[hexed grove]

network storage

connect big server

[hearty notch]

yea but mines meant to be for normies

its a consumer app

they download a thing and its an easy wizard and then they have their own self hosted cloud

[hexed grove]

nextcloud?

wait

actually maybe not

[hearty notch]

i mean im sure its doable for normies but its not marketed to be easy enough thats my product space

anyway i think your thing sounds viable and valuable you should start building it

[hexed grove]

its that thing uh

[hearty notch]

easier connection between mobile and pc is an easy sell if you just make it stupideasy and have all the major things people would wanna do with that easy

[hexed grove]

motivation

[hearty notch]

ye

[hexed grove]

i dont have it

[hearty notch]

maybe someday

[hexed grove]

also the android sdk wont install

[hearty notch]

that sounds like the bigger issue

have you considered troubleshooting using an llm lol

[hexed grove]

i just dont have enough ram

itll try to open a project

[hearty notch]

oh

[hexed grove]

and just be like "nop, sorry uh your computer is too shit"

[hearty notch]

sounds like your main practical blocker is you should get a better computer then

[hexed grove]

i have no money

my phone with a cracked screen is faster than my computer

[hearty notch]

really decent refurb computers are fairly cheap but i mean youll still need some money

[hexed grove]

im just make game

uhhh

youll have to uhm

punch things

and then hide

in concrete

yeah

okay

[hearty notch]

gl

[mental wing]

I hope Vedal does more Witness streams

[olive sable]

until he finishes the game they will happen every now and then i guess

unless he ragequits

thanks google

it only does that for 223 specifically, for 222 and 224 it goes to the calculator

[hexed grove]

😭

[lost hill]

Switch to British Google on google.co.uk

[olive sable]

erm

i didnt know that was even possible

idk what version im even on then

[amber fractal]

Google here is doing calculator

[olive sable]

must be the belgian debuff

[safe path]

is this magic

[olive sable]

yes

[safe path]

either that's not right or this codebase has never seen an error

both are impressive

[olive sable]

if im not getting the error that just means everything works

[amber fractal]

This looks like magic yep

either that or python 2 where you were able to raise strings

my guess is magic as this looks like web

[hearty notch]

looks ominous ngl

[olive sable]

no offense, but i would be afraid to use that

[amber fractal]

I'd be fine with it, as I'm used to worse

[olive sable]

fair enough

[hexed grove]

woah look

its concrete game

[olive sable]

cubes

[hexed grove]

you have to hide in the concrete

from the enemies

that dont hurt you yet

[olive sable]

[hexed grove]

so you just beat them up

because you hate them i guess

maybe make enemies hurt player next

[tender river]

it does raise an error

just a TypeError

[safe path]

[dull egret]

Curious as to which part of this is the most terrifying.

Most terrifying to me is that I had to fuck around to get the SATA cable on 1 drive into a small area to not get knocked out.

But I DID make it work

[olive sable]

mistly jsut structural integrity and shorts

i cant see if there is a gpu support bracket in the pictures

[dull egret]

The GPU is attached to the back of a "DIY modular mobo mounting tray" / "backplane mount"

And the fans on the top are held on by L-brackets and steel pipe ties

Half of this stuff is also bolted with nylon-insert lock nuts

(some are older pics, from like a week ago, as I was putting the innards together)

[olive sable]

i see

shoudl be fine then

[olive sable]

i thought the mobo was vertical, but its horizontal

[dull egret]

Yeah, I don't like the idea of doing vertical, even though it's far more common.

One thing I always hated about normal PC towers.

Not fond of having the torque applied on the socket by double-tower heat sinks, either, when vertical.

[olive sable]

im fine with it if the bracket and stuff is designed for it, butt hen you need proper gpu support and stuff too

[dull egret]

To be fair more for the GPU, this is only an RX 580. It's not even a triple-slot or long/deep card.

This may look like some sorta jank nuclear reactor, but it's not even a gaming rig. It's a network portal, DHCP, Matrix, bot, and storage server

That's why I have a weak (4GB ver., even) GPU paired to 128 GB maxed RAM and a 16/32 processor with a MASSIVE heat sink

[olive sable]

honestly, as a noctua nh-d15 owner, this heatsink looks average to me

[dull egret]

That GPU is only being used, bc I didn't wanna buy some shitty straight-up video card, since I already have several 580's.

But it will output... A terminal with maybe a background, 99% of the time

[olive sable]

10

pressed enter by accident but im sticking with it

[dull egret]

It's the DEEPCOOL AK-620, but I switched the fans for dual Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3000 RPM fans. And a nice fat glob of Artic MX-6

Except for ambient flow, I don't usually buy fans with less than like 55-65 CFM / ~100 m³/h

The iPPC Noctua fans are GREAT.
NF-F12 iPPC-3000 is like 186 m³/h, and the NF-A14 iPPC-3000 is like 269 m³/h

They have iPPC-2000 models, as well, which I also have, but I got those a long time ago.

The 3000 RPM models are barely more in price and provide WAY better airflow and speed.

And it only costs making the rig M U C H L O U D E R , B U T T H A T I S J U S T T E C H N O A S M R , A M I R I T E ? !

[clear sedge]

the fact this was originally developed to be a web standard shows

[dull egret]

For what? HTTP standards? TCP/IP?

[clear sedge]

webgl

[olive sable]

implying you're using webgl for non-web?

why would you do that?

[clear sedge]

gltf was originally created for webgl

i'm implementing gltf 2.0

which is widely used outside of webgl

[olive sable]

oh

i see

ye gltf is for web

oh you mean for the uri of the buffer not being required?
ive seen the buffer just be there instead of a uri for it

[clear sedge]

the buffer is just there in glb
in gltf, the buffer has to be base64-encoded or otherwise have a location specified

or well

"has to"

it's optional for some reason

and when it's not specified?

undefined behavior, my beloved

[olive sable]

when its not specified then you just dont use it i guess

[clear sedge]

the byte length is required though

so you just have an uninitialised buffer being referenced

[olive sable]

idk what the devs were thinking

probably not thinking at all

[clear sedge]

tbf it's probably intended to be zero'd out if the data isn't specified

but the specification doesn't specify that

[olive sable]

if you have a buffer, but dont provide the buffer, then you're already doing something wrong most likely

[clear sedge]

hold on i'm reading

[olive sable]

unless you're dynamically switching buffers or something weird

[clear sedge]

[dull egret]

I see

[clear sedge]

undefined behavior when not using glb :D

[olive sable]

"future exstensions"

[clear sedge]

undefined behavior when using glb but not in a way intended for use

[olive sable]

i mean, fair enough

[clear sedge]

:D

i'm gonna just zero out buffers if they don't provide a uri

[olive sable]

if they want to upgrade the spec without breakignt he current spec, then i guess it needs some type of unfinished behaviour

[olive sable]

thats probably the best solution ye

[clear sedge]

[olive sable]

gltf my beloved

[clear sedge]

i'm being much more strict with gltf loading thann i imagine the authors intended

if i'm supplied with a faulty gltf asset, that's the fault of the game dev

which would be me in this case since i'm not planning on open sourcing this hunk of junk anytime this year

[olive sable]

oh i need to change my pfp since its not halloween anymore

erm

eh ill fix it later

[uneven pulsar]

Maximum supported image dimension is 65500 pixels

OSError: broken data stream when writing image file

[young plover]

yeah that's a pretty typical image dimension limit

[obsidian mantle]

5 a.m.
Streetlights are on again

[uneven pulsar]

Why pillow

[obsidian mantle]

I wonder if its automatic.. probably yes

[uneven pulsar]

I scrap whole books

800* 65500

[obsidian mantle]

What do you mean

[young plover]

Trying to fit a whole book in one image? Would not recommend.

[uneven pulsar]

Already did using ffmpeg

[obsidian mantle]

Why

[young plover]

oh so you can't load it with pillow

[uneven pulsar]

But image is whole squeze

[obsidian mantle]

What is pillow? Some program?

[uneven pulsar]

Without lossing IMAGE quality

[young plover]

python image library

[uneven pulsar]

Thank u bro to EXPLAINS behalf of me

[obsidian mantle]

Why do you want it in 1 file

[uneven pulsar]

Ai cannot zoom why tho

LOGIC
VISION AND MISS CONFIGURATION

[obsidian mantle]

Miss configuration?

[uneven pulsar]

Yea

Lamda function error

[obsidian mantle]

Its so hard to understand

So i am esl

And you are esl

But my esl not compatible with yours

[uneven pulsar]

AFTER FIXING LAMDA FUNCTION it is property working but still pillow has reached it limited

[obsidian mantle]

Can you use separate files

[uneven pulsar]

Yes

[obsidian mantle]

And process them with pillow separately and then combine the result

[uneven pulsar]

O my ###### god
Storage filled again

[obsidian mantle]

I assume pillow extracts text from images?

Yeah wasting life on watching memes and playing games was a bad idea

Do not recommend

[uneven pulsar]

No

Script

*die soon

[obsidian mantle]

Relatively soon i guess

[uneven pulsar]

Is not 14 or 1 pm tho

[obsidian mantle]

14?

[uneven pulsar]

A halloween Script
Nucked half a server

Black tape on eye and frog on mouth and object are gone

My most funny moments

While cube was typing it gone

[olive sable]

ok, new plan

instead of triple buffering the cpu side

imma triple buffer the cpu to gpu uniform buffer pipeline

[uneven pulsar]

I like cache

BUT AMD STOP USING 3D VACHE

[olive sable]

lol why? 3D vcache is based

[uneven pulsar]

They are act as ram eventually

[olive sable]

its a lot faster than ram

its L3 cache

7 to 10 times faster

[uneven pulsar]

I'm agree

Say amd
That we have inbuilt ram to manage it
Not 3d vcache

[olive sable]

the 3D vcache is the inbuilt ram, thats quite literally what it does

[uneven pulsar]

I hope intel comeback again new concept

[olive sable]

intel is trying to play it safe recently so i doubt it

[uneven pulsar]

Most pc are gamers so improve i5 or i7
I9 need hyper core module
( P core + e cores + new ??? Cores )

Intell it like samsung
Amd it like apple

[olive sable]

since they're thinking about removing hyper-threading, they should just have special hyper-threading cores

[uneven pulsar]

Cpu most nearest is core 0 and 1
Other are p or e cores

[olive sable]

they shoudl have 4 P cores without hyperthreading, 4 with hyperthreading, and the rest is E cores

thats my opinion at least

[young plover]

hyperthreading is a solution to not being able to feed the backend with enough instructions to fill the execution units
As speculative execution and branch prediction improve, the performance/space tradeoff gets worse.

[uneven pulsar]

✓

[olive sable]

they want to remove hyper-threading cuz a fully saturated hyper-threading core can only get 90% of a non-hyper-threading core's performance

from what i heard

[uneven pulsar]

intell more Focus on fabrication
INSTED of tmsc

[olive sable]

intel:
-sprends a billion on a fab
-doesn't end up finishing it

correction, not a billion, billions, plural

[rigid snow]

[uneven pulsar]

There's careless kill it self

[rigid snow]

huh

[olive sable]

$28 billion in ohio, $4.6 billion in Wrocław, ....

its supposedly just delayed, but still lost money for now

[uneven pulsar]

Snapdragon is most doing what.
We need 5.0ghz processor
Not improvement on existing architecture

[young plover]

MetorLake die shot
You can see about 1/3 of the P-core is the frontend, and a lot of stuff on the frontend needs to be duplicated for hyperthreading.
If you remove half of the frontend that makes room for a whole e-core which will perform better.

[olive sable]

i disagree

cpu's are fine

its the usage that has gotten out of hand

people dont write performant code anymore

[uneven pulsar]

IM TAKING ARM PC

[rigid snow]

we need 300ghz processor :white_check_maek:

[olive sable]

maek

[olive sable]

fair enough

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

even phone cpus are fast enough at this point imo

nobody is watching youtube in 8K on their phone

maybe for gaming phone cpus specifically, but there the game is efficiency cuz you cant get much cooling

[uneven pulsar]

I'm thinking about each core has 300ghz

Then server doesn't exist

But melting is main problem

[young plover]

too bad those room temperature superconductors were fake

[stray dragon]

with 300ghz i think you'd have more problems than melting

physics problems, not compatibility problems

but also compatibility problems

[amber fractal]

Nah, those are only 1080p panels unless you cast to a TV which will be resolution locked due to lack of desktop mode

[olive sable]

even with 300ghz cpus existing in the future, which i doubt, you'd still have servers that use the same technology on a much larger power budget to still get 500x the speed of your phone

its not realistic to get rid of servers

[uneven pulsar]

1960 TO NOW
IN 1960 1 GHZ IT LIKE WHOLE ROOM NOW ONE TINY PIECE

[olive sable]

ye

[amber fractal]

All discussion always comes back to SLI

[uneven pulsar]

I prefer nvlink

[amber fractal]

nvlink is better yep, but still has the issue of running of bandwidth due to sheer size eventually.

[uneven pulsar]

I HOPE THAT WE HAVE QBIT IN AS NORMAL DESKTOP

[young plover]

why

[olive sable]

more cpu speed is just the brute-force method. we are already doing nearly 10GHz, that's 10 billion operations per second. should be more than enough for most things.
i dont think anybody is expecting to run 100% accurate simulations on their phone in real-time

[olive sable]

if you are fine with installing cryogenic cooling in the room next to your pc, then sure you can get qbits in your desktop

[stray dragon]

pc doubles as a fridge