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fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:39 AM

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finally got kde 6.5 which has uh rounded corners woo pog

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surely that's easy to assert and could never be wrong

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:39 AM

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evilShrug im not a neurosientist

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ah yes, the common 1680p render resolution

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are they upscaling?

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:42 AM

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that's a real rez and used to be quite common in my experience

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1680x1050

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i had a 1680x1050 monitor and so did my dad, from dell, for a while

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olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:43 AM

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1680p woudl mean the height is 1680p no? so 1680x2986.666 ???

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:43 AM

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it's just 16:10 instead of the 16:9 you're used to

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:44 AM

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i doubt its 16:10 since this is an xbox

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:45 AM

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oh it's one of the shitty half resolutions they put in to pretend they run games well i think

glad path Oct 27, 2025, 5:45 AM

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why does youtube think I'm an anime addict that doesn't know cs

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i don't watch anime related things

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and literally don't consume cs tutorials

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:46 AM

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fast pagoda oh it's one of the shitty half resolutions they put in to pretend they run games...

ye cuz of performance mode im geussing

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:46 AM

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i have no idea what the few references to a 1680p they are talking about

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i have never heard of anything called 1680p

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:46 AM

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the guy doing the presentation doesnt explain shit so evilShrug

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:47 AM

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it sounds like some turbo bullshit some xbox gamers would spread around saying that but meaning something different because they dont understand things

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talking about modes that dont exist because they cant read their own screen

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cuz the xbox seems to supposed 480p, 720p, 1080p, 1440p, 2160p according to its page, idk why it wouldn't mention any other resolutions it commonly displays if it were one

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:48 AM

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this is a talk about Assassin's Creed Shadows rendering, so surely they know somewhat what they're tlaking about

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 5:48 AM

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I LOVE GHOST OF TSUSHIMA

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:49 AM

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it could be that the xbox supports 16:10 and their testing monitos used that?

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:49 AM

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ok i finally found something

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it's what was thought originally, performance upscaling crap

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it seems like it's usually referenced as 1620p though

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and that upscales to 2160p

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makes more sense because 1620 is 75% of 2160

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:50 AM

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huh

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a typo?

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:51 AM

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i'd guess that someone who should know what theyre talking about accidentally fumbled and wrote 1680p by mistake in a script

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and then the video production folks are glueless and didnt catch that they were using 1680 instead of 1620 the entire time so it got used

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yep

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1620 is the actual target, that video is bad at fact checking

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:52 AM

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seems xbox specific then cuz for ps5 they're doing standart monitor resolutions

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xbox series s doing 900p is just sad ngl

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:52 AM

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i mean

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xbhox series s was like a shitty laptop when it came out

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:53 AM

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they're saving a grand total of 180 pixels lines

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jsut do the 1080 at that point

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:53 AM

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well it literally can't

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without being unplayable

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it already is

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but it'd be even worse

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:53 AM

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really? its that bad?

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:54 AM

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it's dog

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:54 AM

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it thought the series s would have underclocked versions of the series x chip or something

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cuz of bad yields or whatever

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:54 AM

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it's about as powerful as like a 2700x with a 1650

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:54 AM

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a disabled core or 2

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:54 AM

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fast pagoda it's about as powerful as like a 2700x with a 1650

AINTNOWAY

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:54 AM

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rx6600~~

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ish

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oh 6500/5500

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kek

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:56 AM

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olive sable it thought the series s would have underclocked versions of the series x chip or...

oh, it is jsut the same chip but at 3.6 instead of 3.8GHz

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:56 AM

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it only has 8gb vram

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:56 AM

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but it also only has 10gb of ram ye

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4 tflops instead of 12 tflops

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its absolute ass

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:57 AM

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even the X, claiming it can play these games at 4k is such a joke

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4k*************

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4k with the heavy caveat that it's maybe 60 fps sometimes and at shit detail settings

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with upscaling

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:58 AM

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my golden standart for "this should actually be able to play at 4K" is a 3060ti, which has 16.20 TFLOPS

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i know in modern titles you need 5090's, but this is just my opinion

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:59 AM

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it can play minesweeper a 4k 120fps

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 5:59 AM

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olive sable my golden standart for "this should actually be able to play at 4K" is a 3060ti,...

Minecraft RTX packs are slacking smh

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 5:59 AM

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nah i'd agree w/ 3060ti~~ where it starts to work for recent* titles
3080 struggles with newer things at 4k pretty heavily unfortunately without upscaling but it'd be tweakable playable

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:00 AM

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They differ even more greatly in the graphics processing, with the Series X sporting 12 TFLOPS (52CUs at 1.825GHz) of RDNA 2 graphics power. The Series S will have 4 TFLOPS (20CUs at 1.565GHz) of RDNA 2 graphics.

well there is your problem, instead of downgrading both cpu and gpu equally, you completely fucked the gpu

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:00 AM

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yeah they announced this and, not like i was getting either anyways, but like

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under half the CUs

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it was joever instantly

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at least on the PS end they waited for the pro didnt they

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so it's just better than the baseline ps5

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instad of the opposite of crippling the S

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:02 AM

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the series s was 300 while the x was 500. they shoudl have at least given it 3/5ths of the CUs

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:02 AM

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to put them both out at once

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☠️

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:02 AM

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ye

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:02 AM

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ps5 10.28 tflops went to 16.7 tflops w/ ps5pro

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:02 AM

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ps5 pro is also a joke btw, jsut less so

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:03 AM

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well it's at least right at the 3060ti perf

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 6:03 AM

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ps5 pro* just needs to upscale a bit to meet demand

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:03 AM

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ps5 is 10 tflops? seems low comapred to the series x

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:03 AM

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i mean all console are jokes in the grand scheme of things they arent supposed to be dgx sparks

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it was always lower, it had 2 fewer cores or something

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 6:04 AM

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fast pagoda i mean all console are jokes in the grand scheme of things they arent supposed t...

That is only 3070ish itself ☠️

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:04 AM

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the console itself gains some perf back with the games being tailor made to the config and also it being just a fuckn box meant to put out 30fps for someone who doesnt know what 240hz is

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and sell microtransactions

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fast enough for that

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:05 AM

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apparently the ps5 can get away with 2 less flops because of "More efficient software and architecture"

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supposedly

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:05 AM

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it runs linux

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or like

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bsd or some shit

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so yes

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xbawks is windblows

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(directx in xbox form is probably quite efficient im talking out of my ass but i still assume that a bsd based box would be betterr)

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but yeah did yo know, ps5 runs on a freebsd fork

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:07 AM

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we have a xbox one s as a media machine, cuz the ps5 doesn't support netflix dolby atmos. and honestly it seems way better to get a cheap one of those instead of a series s

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:07 AM

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they had at least 1 jailbreak work because someone found out it still had kernel bugs in common with freebsd

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:08 AM

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lmao

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good, i like jailbreaks

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i own the hardware now, so fuck you sony and microsoft

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:09 AM

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olive sable we have a xbox one s as a media machine, cuz the ps5 doesn't support netflix dol...

one s had 8gb of ram, series s has a grand improvement of 2gb extra for the total of 10gb enub

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i guess it is 2.5 times faster in the cpu and gpu department, but at 6 times the price of a 2ndhand one s

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:10 AM

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ps2 was basically just a sony-produced small linux kernel (and had the ability to slap ps2 linux on there originally)
ps3 was freeBSD or netBSD
ps4 was freeBSD 9 based
ps5 are freeBSD 11 based

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ps3 fats could also slap linux on officially at first

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and then the dark times came

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:10 AM

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neuroAwareA

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:11 AM

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PS1 i dont think had an OS in the sense that it had no i/o or anything except turn on -> load disc and then go, basically a bootloader/bios and that's about it as far as i can tell

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:11 AM

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ye

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i have a ps1, it doesnt do shit without a disc inside

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:12 AM

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consoles didnt till the dreamcast and ps2

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:12 AM

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yep

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:12 AM

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and like the psx i guess

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but that's still

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maybe if you count some shit like CDi as a console they were tryin stuff

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:13 AM

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iirc there is a menu screen to check the memory card, or to paly cd's

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but its not like you can do anything

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the beautifull ps1 cd player

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:14 AM

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SOVL

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i bet they wrote that shit in pure MIPS assembly

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:15 AM

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its never too late to learn

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for only 100 bucks

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:15 AM

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$99.99

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well 14 day trial

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for this book we'll mail you

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which will arrive day 15

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:17 AM

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so like, technically there is a menu in ps1

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:17 AM

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i cant look im reading this because it seems to be incredible

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https://www.copetti.org/writings/consoles/playstation/

The Copetti site

PlayStation Architecture | A Practical Analysis

An in-depth analysis that explains how this console works internally

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:18 AM

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oh

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i remember this website form when i wrote a paper on the ps1 graphics fro school

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:18 AM

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based guy putting info out there

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:19 AM

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coprocessors my beloved

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:20 AM

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nvidia's first GPU was an accelerator that essentially put a sega saturn in your pc and you could play some saturn games, since it was also used for the saturn

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:20 AM

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olive sable i remember this website form when i wrote a paper on the ps1 graphics fro school

me in dutch deadass going "gereduceerde instructieset" for risc AINTNOWAY

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:20 AM

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olive sable me in dutch deadass going "gereduceerde instructieset" for risc <a:AINTNOWAY:116...

gesundheit

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:20 AM

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no thats german

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:21 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NV1

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:21 AM

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"gezondhied" in dutch

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:21 AM

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jensen as a baby

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these cards didnt have triangle based rendering

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:22 AM

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vectors?

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:23 AM

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saturn used quadratic forward texture maps

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:23 AM

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oh so quads

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interesting

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thats not even that bad

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:23 AM

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they basically bent sprites

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it took a 2d sprite essentiall y and applied WordArt to it to

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:24 AM

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99% of games could run fine-ish on quads only gpu's. you just need to edit the 3D models a bit

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the reccomendation in 3D modelling class is to use quads as much as possible anyways

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:26 AM

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triangles was meaningfully faster at the time i guess + the texture transform made everything look wobbly

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:26 AM

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fast pagoda https://www.copetti.org/writings/consoles/playstation/

i have a 1996 model i guess

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:27 AM

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fast pagoda triangles was meaningfully faster at the time i guess + the texture transform ma...

affine vs quad vs perspective texture mapping

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fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:27 AM

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yeah

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:27 AM

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ps1 did affine makign it wobble

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:27 AM

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that on its own is pretty much the "ps1 look"

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:27 AM

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along with the lack of float precision making the 3D models flop around too

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and the z-fighting

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and some other shit

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but ye mainly those 3

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:28 AM

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all my info comes from an old mvg video about it

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i just like that it was the nv1

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:29 AM

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i did actual research into it 2 years ago

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:29 AM

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and that you could run saturn games in your computer

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:29 AM

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i wonder where that paper went

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i doubt its still saved somewhere

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there's a higher change my old teacher has it than me having it

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:31 AM

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i know that feel, i had some paper i wrote in philosophy that i wanted to re-read because it was about consciousness and the self or some """"deep shit"""" and i was curious what all my points were since the professor in that course thought it was quite good and now i have more opinions on it than i did then

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it's probably in a google drive or something somewhere

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:32 AM

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it was in a onderive at some point

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but my middle school microsoft account got locked

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cuz im in college now

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:33 AM

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i'd say microsoft still has it but you're in europe and that' s not something they can just keep forever like it is for me so

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:34 AM

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there have only been 3 paper ive been proud of,a nd io have none of them saved lmao

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or well, i guess the last one is somewhere on my windows drive

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:36 AM

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the only other paper i wish i could find i wrote in like 6th grade about how my grandma was my hero and it made her cry lol

tight tinsel Oct 27, 2025, 6:40 AM

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mods destroy them

real sierra Oct 27, 2025, 6:45 AM

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glad path Oct 27, 2025, 6:45 AM

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shiro

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can you inform this person

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that

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:45 AM

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was trying to copypaste a screenshot of that into your message but and it broek

glad path Oct 27, 2025, 6:45 AM

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there was a recent typhoon

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and

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it caused all of the tiktok editors

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to close

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they didnt go to work

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and

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:46 AM

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go to work

glad path Oct 27, 2025, 6:46 AM

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there also a national holiday

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for a week

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:46 AM

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tiktok editor

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damn

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that's brutal

glad path Oct 27, 2025, 6:46 AM

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~~so no lava lamps~~

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:46 AM

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i havent gotten my damn lamp yet

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and it's in the mail somewhere

glad path Oct 27, 2025, 6:47 AM

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fast pagoda and it's in the mail somewhere

I ate it

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sorry

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I was a bit hungry

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:48 AM

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a-are you okay did they put enough cobalt and lead in there for your palate or do i now owe you more

glad path Oct 27, 2025, 6:48 AM

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fast pagoda a-are you okay did they put enough cobalt and lead in there for your palate or d...

uhm

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i'm still a bit hungry

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more would be nice

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:49 AM

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okay i mean i can direct you to a nearby abandoned RTG generator radiation source

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rtg generator

glad path Oct 27, 2025, 6:49 AM

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fast pagoda okay i mean i can direct you to a nearby abandoned RTG generator radiation sourc...

ooh

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yum

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:50 AM

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yeah this one is strontium 90 if that's good enough

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not SUPER spicy

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little kick to her

glad path Oct 27, 2025, 6:51 AM

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sounds about right

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:51 AM

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just dont get it near your bones

glad path Oct 27, 2025, 6:51 AM

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i'll go there next week

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:51 AM

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i will send you the coordinates via your kimmunicator

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https://tenor.com/view/kim-possible-wade-yeah-hang-on-yes-hang-on-a-second-gif-22961973

Tenor

glad path Oct 27, 2025, 6:52 AM

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fast pagoda just dont get it near your bones

i'll just take calcium suppliments i'm sure it'll work

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 6:52 AM

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yeah i think that's probably fine actually kk i just didnt want any upset tummy

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or upset bone marrow

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 7:24 AM

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this thing remembered me zooming in to find an image in a folder for some reason even tho this is my ventoy stick

was very confused as to why the isos are so small here

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slight zoom out and they're not

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well done kde

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great alignment on that date and everything else too

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 7:37 AM

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fast pagoda this thing remembered me zooming in to find an image in a folder for some reason...

new compression technique

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 AM

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young plover new compression technique

.zm aka ZOOM algo - Zoom Out Of Modality

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context aware viewport modification to dynamically collapse the view of the files until compression is achieved via perception of less occupancy in the immediate window - disc usage safely hidden in the swap file also using disk where it cant make the user sad

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NODDERS

rare bramble Oct 27, 2025, 8:09 AM

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VSCODE???? HELLOO???

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 8:09 AM

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time to restart that window

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or perhaps your entire computer

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electron's got him now

rare bramble Oct 27, 2025, 8:11 AM

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disabling gpu acceleration fixed it

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most certainly not a ready feature, it also made bunch of text selecting act weird

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especially with LSP remarks moving the lines at the same time

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 8:30 AM

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rare bramble most certainly not a ready feature, it also made bunch of text selecting act wei...

what feature isn't ready?

rare bramble Oct 27, 2025, 8:32 AM

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jagged turtle what feature isn't ready?

gpu acceleration in vscode

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 8:32 AM

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yeahhhhhh lol

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wait lemme see if I have gpu accel on

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ah

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wtf is this whole use workflow thing

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oh it's smth with vercel

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ic

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 8:46 AM

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rare bramble VSCODE???? HELLOO???

When you use a code editor that's built by Microsoft (AI generated code probably) and is actually a browser app

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 8:47 AM

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nocturne olive When you use a code editor that's built by Microsoft (AI generated code probably...

the thing is vscode is not that bad until you install 109432875 extensions and half of them are LSPs or something similar

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but for the AI generated code part... yeah

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-# disclaimer: I filtered by author for just copilot

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:LULE:

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invalid value mhm

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checks out

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 9:03 AM

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rare bramble gpu acceleration in vscode

gpu accel in vscode has been broken for like at least a year which makes sense it' just funny to see it still hella busted

strange echo Oct 27, 2025, 9:17 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabber-ip-grabber-thanos-gif-21846609

Tenor

clear sedge Oct 27, 2025, 9:21 AM

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my malware that plainly kill -9d random processes was flagged as 0/63

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ReallyInnocent

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 9:37 AM

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clear sedge my malware that plainly `kill -9`d random processes was flagged as 0/63

i mean... can it really count as "malicious" if it only kills random processes?

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it's like if it was deleting random lines from your hosts file

silent cloak Oct 27, 2025, 9:47 AM

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strange echo https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabber-ip-grabber-thanos-gif-21846609

https://tenor.com/view/mario-judah-ip-grabber-gif-12102525305246276220

Tenor

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 9:55 AM

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is that mario judah

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 10:01 AM

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maiden geyser i mean... can it really count as "malicious" if it only kills random processes?

yes

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becuase what if that process was something important neuroAware

faint sandal Oct 27, 2025, 10:14 AM

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by that logic ps wininit|spps should be counted as malicious too

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thonk

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 10:18 AM

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well windows is sometimes malware... right?

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i swear my internet is being throttled

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i feel ~300ms more l*tency when sending messages

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and ~15 seconds more l*tency when accessing stuff like reddit

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actually more like 10-15 for the last one

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:23 AM

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Goodmorning

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maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 10:23 AM

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jagged turtle and ~15 seconds more l*tency when accessing stuff like reddit

have you tried to check how long ssh -v takes to execute yet

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 10:23 AM

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maiden geyser have you tried to check how long `ssh -v` takes to execute yet

what does -v do?

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oh it's verbose

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not too long compared to normal

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 10:27 AM

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jagged turtle what does -v do?

https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1400/0*wAgD63-wKr1_SnSk

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should've googled first before making the joke

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ruined

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:31 AM

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bro vedalCry

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 10:34 AM

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rigid snow bro <:vedalCry:1234565975492264018>

use config

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:35 AM

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Ah yes, dont optemize

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neuro5head

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:37 AM

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the funny part is the fucking directive itself

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 10:38 AM

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use no memo - no memo? ok let me just compile to webassembly since there's no memo I have to follow neuroTomfoolery

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:39 AM

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olive sable Ah yes, dont optemize

if you’re curious why this exists

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oops nice crop

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and it’s called memo because all react compiler does is basically insert automatic component and state memoization

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if your code is garbage enough the compiler can just silently break it by adding memoization

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as react compiler is very new and is meant to be adopted as a drop-in free perf boost it absolutely will end up trying to compile tons and tons of junk some intern in 2020 wrote

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that works as is but doesn’t when compiled

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hmm i’m curious if it wraps stuff like plain const a = heavyFunction(someState) into useCallback

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would make sense for that to break if you depend on the “called on each rerender” side effect of that

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:01 AM

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"its likely related to a rules of react violation"

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so they're basicly blaming you cuz its most likely your fault?

pliant palm Oct 27, 2025, 11:03 AM

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good morning chat

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arch install only made me cry for 3 days 💔 that's it I'm getting gentoo

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:04 AM

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lmao

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 11:30 AM

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olive sable so they're basicly blaming you cuz its most likely your fault?

it probably definitely is

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:31 AM

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true

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im tryign this midi stuff but i mixed up the instruments neurOMEGALUL

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 11:40 AM

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olive sable "its likely related to a rules of react violation"

despair

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:40 AM

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i have the midi for a guitar playing drums rn

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its beautiful

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 11:44 AM

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Sil

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Didn't end up using the Reaper thingy for the latest upcoming NeuroSynth release, that thing is too hard to use

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:46 AM

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maybe vlc media player is not the best method of listening to midi files

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 11:49 AM

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nenenenenenenenen

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git blame

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:51 AM

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neuroWaveA hi konii

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 11:51 AM

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olive sable maybe vlc media player is not the best method of listening to midi files

True maybe try a DAW

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:52 AM

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Minamhm

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 11:53 AM

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Digital Audio Workstation

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A type of software for audio editing and music creation

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:59 AM

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now i have the same problem, jsut in a different software

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its playing song 2 on a synthesizer ICANT

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 12:00 PM

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what do you do if your friends have no power and they need to get their work done

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 12:00 PM

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call the power company and yell

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:19 PM

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chat, what is the most optimal language for developing a backend?

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 12:24 PM

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html

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:25 PM

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...

inner palm Oct 27, 2025, 12:25 PM

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short ingot chat, what is the most optimal language for developing a backend?

golang

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:25 PM

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fast pagoda html

that is pure ragebait...

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 12:25 PM

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fast pagoda html

css

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:25 PM

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inner palm golang

cmon can we get an actual programming language optimal for backend?

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 12:25 PM

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go is real tho

inner palm Oct 27, 2025, 12:25 PM

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golang is good for distrbuted system like microservices

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:26 PM

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fast pagoda go is real tho

really...?

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 12:26 PM

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thats the point of it

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:26 PM

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I have only seen it used for frontend, like games and stuff

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:26 PM

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fast pagoda thats the point of it

RLLY?

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kay

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I'll use it then

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 12:28 PM

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short ingot I have only seen it used for frontend, like games and stuff

uhhh

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esbuild is written in go

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:28 PM

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I DID NOT know that

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 12:29 PM

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it can do front but it's just meant for scaling (googl language) annd speedy

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:29 PM

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oooh

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wait was it godot that was mostly used for frontend?

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 12:29 PM

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uh

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isn't godot a game engine

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:29 PM

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...

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okay

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I am stupid

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I THOUGHT IT WAS A LANGUAGE

inner palm Oct 27, 2025, 12:30 PM

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short ingot wait was it godot that was mostly used for frontend?

gdscript?

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 12:30 PM

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it has like a script ya

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:30 PM

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inner palm gdscript?

maybe...? I never used go, sooo I don't know much about it

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nor godot

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 12:31 PM

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gdscript is godot lol

inner palm Oct 27, 2025, 12:31 PM

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short ingot maybe...? I never used go, sooo I don't know much about it

gdscript is python like and it's use on godot engine
golang (go) is static type language

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static language not interpreted

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like C

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:32 PM

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oooooh

fast pagoda Oct 27, 2025, 12:33 PM

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they made go cuz they all hated cpp lol

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 12:44 PM

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i installed a general sf2 file that has a lotr of different instruemnts

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and the one it defaulted to has a breakign window sound

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ICANT

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enjoy

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 12:47 PM

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short ingot chat, what is the most optimal language for developing a backend?

It depends

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:47 PM

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on...?

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stdlib?

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 12:48 PM

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On the backend

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:48 PM

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oooh

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well.... I'm building a probably websocket backend for a discord bot

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for snn ( #1419178538816376852 ), with KTrain

jagged turtle Oct 27, 2025, 12:49 PM

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a discord bot has to be websocket unless you want to use interactions api only

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:49 PM

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yea.

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:50 PM

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nocturne olive On the backend

soooo.... what's the optimal language for this application then?

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:50 PM

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jagged turtle a discord bot has to be websocket unless you want to use interactions api only

I THOUGHT YOU WERE SUPERBOX-

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 12:51 PM

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Then just pick whatever language you're comfortable making Discord bots in
I use Kotlin for my Discord bots becuase it's good

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:51 PM

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my eyes is slowly failing me

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:51 PM

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nocturne olive Then just pick whatever language you're comfortable making Discord bots in I use...

Nonono, the backend api for the discord bot

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the discord bot is in JS

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 12:51 PM

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Eww but fine

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:51 PM

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its a websocket that the discord bot connects to for storage

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and stuff

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:51 PM

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nocturne olive Eww but fine

would it be better if I rewrote it in TS?

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I was thinking of doing that, since I had a already good base implementation in TS

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 12:52 PM

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At least
But I like my Discord bots Kotlin or some other real language
JavaScript is not good

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:52 PM

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oh

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 12:53 PM

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Anyway depends if you need high performance or if it'll just do IO
If you need high performance and high security, Rust
If you just want a quick server and it'll usually be IO limited, Python, Kotlin, TypeScript, any language really, works fine

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 12:53 PM

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nocturne olive Anyway depends if you need high performance or if it'll just do IO If you need h...

rust ig

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I already have it installed

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@jagged turtle u okay with rust?

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 1:01 PM

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nocturne olive Anyway depends if you need high performance or if it'll just do IO If you need h...

what is a good websocket library for rust then? axum's websocket is deprecated

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 1:01 PM

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nocturne olive True maybe try a DAW

-maybe a bedroom isn't the best place to eat food
-true maybe try a michelin star kitchen

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 1:04 PM

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neurOMEGALUL

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there are so many buttons idk what to do

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"ardour" was already installe don my pc for some reason so im usign that

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 1:10 PM

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ykw I'm not using rust, it's too complicated for my little brain

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 1:11 PM

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short ingot ykw I'm not using rust, it's too complicated for my little brain

What do you need new language for? Sorry i cant backread bad internet neurOMEGALUL

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 1:11 PM

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backend stuff

rigid timber Oct 27, 2025, 1:16 PM

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just use whatever you already know...

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with a small bot there will be zero difference and the time you'd spend learning something new would be better spent making the bot

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 1:17 PM

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rigid timber just use whatever you already know...

I couldn't do a hello world in rust as a test...

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it failed at compiling

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smh

rigid timber Oct 27, 2025, 1:17 PM

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then don't use Rust and use a language you already know

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 1:17 PM

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I wanted to learn a new language

rigid timber Oct 27, 2025, 1:18 PM

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then choose any of the languages Superbox listed above, there will be zero difference

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 1:18 PM

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kay

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Python it is, ig

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 1:38 PM

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that file might've been a little bit more important than I thought...

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 1:45 PM

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short ingot what is a good websocket library for rust then? axum's websocket is deprecated

I don't know, I'm a Kotlin main

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 1:46 PM

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short ingot that file might've been a little bit more important than I thought...

I'm gonna guess that was whatever creates the command declarations

short ingot Oct 27, 2025, 1:48 PM

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nocturne olive I'm gonna guess that was whatever creates the command declarations

yea....

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 2:27 PM

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i tried to put the 3D models in the engien and the texture sampler doesnt owrk on these models

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but it does work on other models

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Shruge

trim valve Oct 27, 2025, 2:34 PM

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short ingot what is a good websocket library for rust then? axum's websocket is deprecated

huh since when

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 2:49 PM

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olive sable i tried to put the 3D models in the engien and the texture sampler doesnt owrk o...

the very first mesh it laods in needs to have the texture assigned apprently

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otherwise it jsut doesnt want to load

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i could figure out why, but i dont feel like it

lime stag Oct 27, 2025, 3:25 PM

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Does anyone know how to get imagekit work on netlify

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 3:28 PM

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https://imagekit.io/docs/integration/netlify ?

Netlify Integration with ImageKit.io

Power your Netlify site, delivering high-quality optimized images with the help of ImageKit.

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 3:30 PM

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olive sable the very first mesh it laods in needs to have the texture assigned apprently

still broken, just less

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 3:46 PM

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olive sable still broken, just less

was ein schlimmer stau

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 3:46 PM

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what?

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i dont speak german

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aight, only the textures are still broken

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 4:03 PM

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add explosions in background

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 4:04 PM

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do you have any idea how much work that would be? AINTNOWAY

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texture loading is already slightly brokn, imagine doing that at 24fps

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 4:06 PM

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neuroKufufu actually no idea

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 4:06 PM

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ye i also have no clue, idk how vulkan videos work

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 4:06 PM

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what is this sdk anyway

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 4:06 PM

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vulkan

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 4:06 PM

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thonk

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i heard something about vulkan in 2015 i think

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it was in dota settings

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it broke the game so i turned it off i think and thats it

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 4:07 PM

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KEKW

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 4:21 PM

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what a name

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lmao

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 4:23 PM

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someone tell hello0129 there is a problem with their ai

opaque sigil Oct 27, 2025, 4:24 PM

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neuroLookUp

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 4:25 PM

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what the

rare bridge Oct 27, 2025, 4:27 PM

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?purge 1377303535686778985 100

woven coralBOT Oct 27, 2025, 4:27 PM

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dynoInfo Please use specific subcommands such as ?purge user [user] [count], the old syntax you are trying to use is no longer supported to prevent accidental purges.

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 4:27 PM

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monka

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 4:33 PM

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neuroLookUp

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 4:35 PM

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?purge user 1377303535686778985 100

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neuroPogHD

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who is @wind burrow

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 4:36 PM

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1984 all around me

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 4:36 PM

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what did he do

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 4:36 PM

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spammed some youtube link

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 4:36 PM

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FOCUS

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 4:37 PM

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SMILE

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 4:40 PM

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short ingot backend stuff

RUST btw

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I'm awake to shill rust all day again it's me

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 4:41 PM

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short ingot ykw I'm not using rust, it's too complicated for my little brain

oops

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it's not complicated it just has a learning curve ;-;

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pick perl

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do perl.

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it's cute you'll find it cute

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perl is like every sysadmin in 1990-2005 gens favorite language it's rly nice for putting together your own backend scripts

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my one line sell is it's meant to be easy but without being as opinionated as python

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and like python isn't even that opinionated perl is just meant to let you find a bunch of parallel ways and pick whatever feels natural

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https://youtu.be/74_7LrRe5DI

YouTube

Fireship

Perl in 100 Seconds

Perl is a dynamic scripting language popular among system administrators and web developers. It is syntactically similar to the C Programming Language, but designed for efficient text processing tasks.

#programming #compsci #100SecondsOfCode

🔗 Resources

Perl Language https://www.perl.org/
Perl Timeline https://history.perl.org/PerlTimelin...

▶ Play video

opaque sigil Oct 27, 2025, 4:57 PM

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perl's best and worst feature is its incredibly powerful regex engine

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 4:57 PM

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short ingot Nonono, the backend api for the discord bot

also discord.js is a well supported node library if you just wanna stay in js

mighty thorn Oct 27, 2025, 4:57 PM

#

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:02 PM

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does darkness lie beyond the shadow? or is it shadows that end the darkness? hmm

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 5:02 PM

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idk but they're my old friend I'll ask them

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tbh I might like perl because it's the polar opposite of rust to cover the other end lol

mighty thorn Oct 27, 2025, 5:13 PM

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olive sable does darkness lie beyond the shadow? or is it shadows that end the darkness? <:h...

alarm NERD alarm

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:14 PM

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neuroCatUuh

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its a quote

mighty thorn Oct 27, 2025, 5:15 PM

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olive sable its a quote

alarm NERD alarm

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:15 PM

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from an anime

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 5:15 PM

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:alarm: WEEB :alarm:

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:16 PM

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KEKW

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 5:17 PM

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olive sable from an anime

bro thought that would help his case

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 5:27 PM

#

olive sable from an anime

which one?

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:29 PM

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maiden geyser which one?

isekai quartet s3

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:30 PM

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rigid snow bro thought that would help his case

id rather be a weeb than a nerd

sick owl Oct 27, 2025, 5:30 PM

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neuroLookDown

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 5:33 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1341765912939855963/1432421338542375034/RDT_20251028_0030267431779751977770645.jpg?ex=6900fdd4&is=68ffac54&hm=6442c9dd1f2a7742b89bf6577c361a719ce232c2925a427b27e2c1f86554932b&=&format=webp

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hello i

uneven pulsar Oct 27, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Fixing bigram , GENERATION ERROR, CONTEXT UPGRADE,
ADDING LARGE
LLM IN BACKEND,
neuroD

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I'm going to crash out and overtime devlopment

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( 8 hours )
Now 10:31 minutes

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 5:48 PM

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gl buddy

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 5:55 PM

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olive sable id rather be a weeb than a nerd

geek

#

NeuroBounce

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 5:55 PM

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im fine with geek i guess

#

its better than both

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 5:57 PM

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dweeb

uneven pulsar Oct 27, 2025, 6:02 PM

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IM HOME AFTER PROJECTS

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I CANT SLEEP

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Bye 👋

opaque sigil Oct 27, 2025, 6:09 PM

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olive sable id rather be a weeb than a nerd

ok nerd

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 6:10 PM

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mom the anime pfps are fighting

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:13 PM

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opaque sigil ok nerd

bwaadow

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im buying a 3d printer with a laser engraver for 300 bucks this wednesday

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 6:17 PM

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glhf

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:20 PM

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creality ender 3 + Nebula smart kit + wireless printing + camera + touchscreen + autolevelling kit + magnetic printbed + laserkit 1.6 Watt long ass list, bro really got all the expansions

flint dome Oct 27, 2025, 6:20 PM

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chat should I burn the Google cloud tshirt I get or turn it into a wet rag to clean the floor

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 6:32 PM

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wear it so people think you're stupid

wraith mirage Oct 27, 2025, 6:34 PM

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trace("hello")

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 6:39 PM

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wear it so people ~~think~~ know you're stupid NeuroClueless

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 6:54 PM

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enub

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 6:54 PM

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progaming

pliant palm Oct 27, 2025, 7:02 PM

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maiden geyser was ein schlimmer stau

stau?

#

wieso stau

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 7:03 PM

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mhm

pliant palm Oct 27, 2025, 7:04 PM

#

pliant palm stau?

ik this was hours ago it just rlly bugged me sorry

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:06 PM

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oh its monday

#

dev stream

#

i highly doubt there will be any deving but sure

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 7:06 PM

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there might be a long discussion of lavalamps issues neurOMEGALUL

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:07 PM

#

neurOMEGALUL

hearty notch Oct 27, 2025, 7:07 PM

#

DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:07 PM

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were those windows noises?

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 7:07 PM

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pliant palm wieso stau

weil eine Katze ein Verlangen nach USB Micro Typ B Geräten hat

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 7:07 PM

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yes that was windows

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:07 PM

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KEKW

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:08 PM

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maiden geyser weil eine Katze ein Verlangen nach USB Micro Typ B Geräten hat

uhm... yes Minamhm

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something about a desire for micro usb type b, idk this si too far away from dutch

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is "eine katze" a cat?

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 7:11 PM

#

olive sable something about a desire for micro usb type b, idk this si too far away from dut...

https://rxddit.com/r/UnusualVideos/comments/17ckohy/miau/

rxddit.com

Miau!

u/elsaismygf on r/UnusualVideos

▶ Play video

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:12 PM

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olive sable i highly doubt there will be any deving but sure

neuroNOWAYING actual deving

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 7:12 PM

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olive sable <:neuroNOWAYING:1148961698099777638> actual deving

on my dev stream?!

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:12 PM

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preposterous

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shittiest hardware known to man = 4090

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 7:14 PM

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so called free thinkers when nvidia

nocturne olive Oct 27, 2025, 7:14 PM

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olive sable shittiest hardware known to man = 4090

So true not even a 48GB modded 4090D

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:14 PM

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well you see, the 5060 is just as fast as a 4090 if you just hallucinate the extra performance

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 7:15 PM

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olive sable well you see, the 5060 is just as fast as a 4090 if you just hallucinate the ext...

5070, actually

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:15 PM

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if oyu cant hallucinate the 5060 to peak performance thats a skill issue

#

you lack the schizophrenia the jensen desires

thick depot Oct 27, 2025, 7:17 PM

#

neuroLookUp

#

Why I can't change my BT Mac address?

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:18 PM

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you can probably manually change it in the console, but idk

thick depot Oct 27, 2025, 7:19 PM

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olive sable you can probably manually change it in the console, but idk

Apparently all OEMS block the thing that let u change it

#

chGatoYaVeo

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:19 PM

#

neuro7

thick depot Oct 27, 2025, 7:19 PM

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But isn't the same for WiFi for some reason

pliant palm Oct 27, 2025, 7:28 PM

#

maiden geyser weil eine Katze ein Verlangen nach USB Micro Typ B Geräten hat

ah verstehe

#

horizontal rotierender fisch

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:29 PM

#

https://tenor.com/view/fish-spining-fish-rotating-gif-6038502250893216025

Tenor

pliant palm Oct 27, 2025, 7:29 PM

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darn it now i forgot why im on discord again

maiden geyser Oct 27, 2025, 7:30 PM

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pliant palm darn it now i forgot why im on discord again

you're here to socialise and enjoy talking to people

#

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hypnotizing-hypnotizing-dog-hyptonizing-you-hypnotizing-you-собака-гипнотизирует-gif-14437882061713379771

Tenor

pliant palm Oct 27, 2025, 7:31 PM

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right right

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im in a king of...progaming

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 7:58 PM

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wrr

#

say hello to my newest invention

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:58 PM

#

neuroCatUuh

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 7:58 PM

#

#define _DEFAULT_SOURCE

#include <unistd.h>
#include <sys/mman.h>

unsigned long regs[256] = {0};

#define fn(T) __attribute__((preserve_none)) T
fn(void) op0() { regs[0] = 101; }
fn(void) op1() { regs[0] = 91; }
fn(void) op_dont_call_this() {}

fn(int) main() {
    void *optable[] = { op0, op1, op_dont_call_this };

    void (*exec)() = mmap(NULL, 1024 * 1024 * 1024, PROT_WRITE | PROT_EXEC,
                  MAP_ANONYMOUS | MAP_PRIVATE, -1, 0);

    auto scratch = (void *)exec;

    unsigned char program[] = { 0, 1 };
    for (size_t i = 0; i < sizeof(program); ++i) {
        auto op = program[i];
        auto size = (optable[op + 1] - optable[op]);
        // strip ret instruction
        if (i+1 < sizeof(program)) size--;
        __builtin_memcpy(scratch, optable[op], size);
        scratch += size;
    }

    exec();
    return regs[0];
}

"jit"

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 7:58 PM

#

so what does it do?

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 7:59 PM

#

olive sable so what does it do?

its a just in time "compiler" that cheats

#

you write the operations in c and then c compiles the operations, then the jit compiler translates your input binary into the operations and loads them into executable memory

#

then it executes it on your native cpu

#

eLIiVvv

#

so, with program { 0, 1 };, it returns 91, if { 0 }; it returns 101

#

its not an interpreter, more of a translator

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:01 PM

#

huh

#

so practically, what does it do?

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:01 PM

#

olive sable so practically, what does it do?

are you familiar with jit compilation

#

because that's what it does

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:02 PM

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not really, i know python Shruge

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:02 PM

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hmm so

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 8:02 PM

#

jit
noun
An inexperienced, foolhardy young man.

#

ALERT

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:02 PM

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jit is: eww interpreted code lets convert it to native code

#

this does that neuroPogHD

#

in the worst way deliv

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:03 PM

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oh

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 8:03 PM

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hi tv gril

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:03 PM

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neuroWave

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most jit compilers are very long

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this one is indeed not very long

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it only has two opcodes though

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can add more fairly easily

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i dont really want to...

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:04 PM

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sage crag ```c #define _DEFAULT_SOURCE #include <unistd.h> #include <sys/mman.h> unsigne...

so uh, its jsut c with extra steps?

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:04 PM

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uhh no?

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SMILE

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:04 PM

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you said it compiels c, does some translation stuff, puts it in memory, and executes it?

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:04 PM

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i did not in fact say that

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NeuroSip

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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oh i cant read

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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you write the ops in c

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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true

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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not c code

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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✅

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this produces much worse code than regular JIT

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but its "portable"

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(it only works on x86_64 gcc)

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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neurOMEGALUL

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portable across ALL of the CPUS from one cpu generation from one vendoe

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:06 PM

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ye

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it would be portable through more if their isas werent so complex

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and they had less memory protection

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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neuroD memory protection

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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ohh and also relative addressing

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the c compiler thinks it works but it doesnt

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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what

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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you cant call printf inside these ops

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or anything else like that

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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relative addressign is a new one, haven't heard that before

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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since its relatively addressed

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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abolish the mmu

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memory for all

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:08 PM

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let me show what happens if i printf inside the op0

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so here's what normally happens

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:08 PM

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91 Minamhm

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:08 PM

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and here's what happens if you printf

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:08 PM

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ah

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:09 PM

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ye

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:12 PM

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so precompiled code blocks get put into executable blocks in memory? optable holds memory adresses?

dry charm Oct 27, 2025, 8:12 PM

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Decompiling the app is hard :\

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:14 PM

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olive sable so precompiled code blocks get put into executable blocks in memory? `optable` h...

precompiled code blocks representing instructions get loaded from a lookup table (optable) which is indexed by the numbers in the program array

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those code blocks are duplicated into memory and then the memory is made executable

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then it runs that code

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:15 PM

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koroneHmm

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 8:15 PM

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nerd nerd nerds nerd

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:16 PM

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rigid snow nerd nerd nerds nerd

you nerd

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 8:16 PM

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no me cool and

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not nerd

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:16 PM

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this is actually just the final evolution of the threaded interpreter

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:16 PM

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is there a reason you want the jit execution? or jsut for funsies?

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:17 PM

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sage crag this is actually just the final evolution of the threaded interpreter

from goto *optable[*pc++]; to goto **program++; to goto *program;

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:17 PM

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olive sable is there a reason you want the jit execution? or jsut for funsies?

i like writing vms

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:17 PM

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fair enough have a great day

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 8:18 PM

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ermShark

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:18 PM

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sage crag from `goto *optable[*pc++];` to `goto **program++;` to `goto *program`;

the first one is on-demand translation, the second one is pre-execution translation, and the third is pre-execution translation but it doesnt have an interpreter loop

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ye

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:19 PM

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ye

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NeuroBounce

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 8:33 PM

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olive sable <a:NeuroBounce:1104933550567985312>

ye

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victim of jit

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:34 PM

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i dont think i use jit so evilShrug

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not intentionally at least

pliant palm Oct 27, 2025, 8:37 PM

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does a jit have any drawbacks to normal compiling, if i understood correctly?

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 8:55 PM

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not as fast as aot

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because only some stuff gets compiled selectively

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 8:56 PM

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jit jit jit jit

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Just-In-Time Compilers are for interpreters

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are there Just-In-Time Interpreters for compilers

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nwero

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:58 PM

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nyes

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probably

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 8:58 PM

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neuroNOWAYING

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 8:58 PM

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i have no source

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 8:59 PM

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thonk you can make it read file with code and just execute it

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by... interpreting it neuroNOWAYING

pliant palm Oct 27, 2025, 9:00 PM

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gonna learning progaming now

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010110 10101001 or sum right

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:00 PM

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no no no

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progaming without the r is minecwaft

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pliant palm Oct 27, 2025, 9:00 PM

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pogarming?

pliant palm Oct 27, 2025, 9:01 PM

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olive sable

mancraft

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 9:01 PM

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prograing

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 9:01 PM

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deving

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:02 PM

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A type specifier is required for all declarations clang(missing_type_specifier)

but clang, it is not my intention to specify it, it has alreay been specified bro

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 9:02 PM

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obsidian mantle deving

deliv ing

opaque sigil Oct 27, 2025, 9:04 PM

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olive sable ``` A type specifier is required for all declarations clang(missing_type_specifi...

clearly not enub

stone flint Oct 27, 2025, 9:05 PM

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@open copper

open copper Oct 27, 2025, 9:05 PM

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Guh

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 9:06 PM

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40+ AI, bloclchain, mobile projects. Including chatbots, SaaS platforms, trading system, agents

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bro included every popular thing ever

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:06 PM

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damn, heir is gray now

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british weather

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 9:06 PM

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NeuroopaTalk

open copper Oct 27, 2025, 9:07 PM

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olive sable damn, heir is gray now

It’s the stess

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:07 PM

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neuro7

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 9:09 PM

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midnight sigil 40+ AI, bloclchain, mobile projects. Including chatbots, SaaS platforms, trading...

i did not see the message so i'll try to infer

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hello am41 year old man me ai blockchain developer i am working on mobile projects. Including chatbots, SaaS platforms, trading system, agents. hire me pls my potrfolio is hptps;//chris1984 .dev/ . me ned money pls =hire

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:10 PM

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i will take you up on your offer for 12 cents per day

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 9:10 PM

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how many hours a day

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:10 PM

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all hourrs

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 9:10 PM

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$0.005/hr

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:12 PM

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opaque sigil clearly not <:enub:1163912230585237655>

evilShrug

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am i blind?

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it thinks the return type is an int for some reason

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oh its those damn namespaces

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AngryChocoCrossy

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well uh, that didnt fix it

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oh im an actual idiot

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this is what C# does to a mf

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 9:22 PM

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olive sable i dont think i use jit so <:evilShrug:1131357858101993603>

i wrote it in hblang

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 9:23 PM

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NeuroInspect

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 9:23 PM

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$memcopy := fn(dest: ^u8, src: ^u8, len: uint): void {
    i := 0
    while i < len {
        (dest + i).* = (src + i).*
        i += 1
    }
}

op0 := fn(regs: []u64): void { regs[0] = 101 }
op1 := fn(regs: []u64): void { regs[0] *= 2 }
op_dont_call_this := fn(regs: []u64): void {}

$optable := @TypeOf(@fnptr_of(op0)).[@fnptr_of(op0), @fnptr_of(op1), @fnptr_of(op_dont_call_this)]
$program := u8.[0, 1]

@handler("entry", fn(): never {
    exec: ^u8 = @syscall(0x9, 0, 1024 * 1024 * 1024, 0x1 | 0x2 | 0x4, 0x2 | 0x20, -1, 0)
    scratch := exec

    i := 0
    while i < program.len {
        $op := program[i]
        size := @as(uint, @bit_cast(optable[op + 1])) - @bit_cast(optable[op])
        if i + 1 < program.len size -= 1
        memcopy(scratch, @bit_cast(optable[op]), size)
        scratch += size
        i += 1
    }

    regs: [256]u64 = idk

    @as(@TypeOf(@fnptr_of(op0)), @bit_cast(exec))(regs[..])
    return @syscall(0x3C, regs[0])
})

ignore additional boilerplate i cant be asked to set up a proper environment

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:23 PM

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dont worry, i cant tell what is boilerplate and what isnt

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 9:24 PM

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sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 9:24 PM

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olive sable dont worry, i cant tell what is boilerplate and what isnt

correct ✅

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:24 PM

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olive sable this is what C# does to a mf

Top-level statements have ruined me bwaadow

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i forgot i had to put it in main()

sage crag Oct 27, 2025, 9:25 PM

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wrr

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:25 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/no-signal-stand-by-static-nothing-void-gif-2443668683574783998

Tenor

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 9:44 PM

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rigid snow hello am41 year old man me ai blockchain developer i am working on mobile projec...

✅

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 9:45 PM

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rigid snow $0.005/hr

bro is cheaper than the chatgpt token price

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competetions are tough man

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neuroSadge

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:49 PM

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AINTNOWAY vedal is really going to use 2 cameras for his reflections

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 9:49 PM

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it's such an interesting problem tho

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i think i have an idea on how to make them "correct"

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but like it's a lot

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:50 PM

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i think i do too

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but im not sure

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eh im not gonna hate till i try to do water myself

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 9:53 PM

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2 cameras for reflections is actually the most basic way to do it LULE thats like how 90% of games did water reflections back in the day

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:54 PM

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ye

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but it wastes a lot of performance imo

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for a 2D game you can get away with cheating it

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 9:55 PM

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tink i mean.. all the data is already loaded. i don't think it would be a waste of a lot of performance

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:55 PM

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then again, for a 2D game the performance difference matter the least

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 9:56 PM

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glass flower <:tink:1160885779543900231> i mean.. all the data is already loaded. i don't thi...

you're rendering to another buffer, which you then need to use as an input to the final frame render

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so its not too bad, but not the best

midnight sigil Oct 27, 2025, 9:56 PM

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glass flower 2 cameras for reflections is actually the most basic way to do it <:LULE:1094340...

neuroSadge no SSGI?

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or SSR

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nub

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 9:56 PM

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LULE

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:01 PM

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abandoned archive might actually release at the end of the year maybe

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i bet on it being early 2026

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:01 PM

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rigid snow but like it's a lot

no idea how to actually make this in engine

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:02 PM

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for 2D water like that in a straight line, you can just hardcode the ledge

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:02 PM

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ye the mirrored copies are the issue not the distance

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of course you can hardcode it

azure nacelle Oct 27, 2025, 10:03 PM

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I like how vedal made slider changes to the water but while the game was running so it didnt save. unity moment neurOMEGALUL

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:03 PM

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wait what was the problem exactly again? i might be misunderstanding

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:04 PM

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how to make top-down water shadows make sense

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it reflecting the floor which is higher does not make any

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 10:04 PM

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it was reflecting entire image the size of water block above it

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:04 PM

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so not ssr definitely

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:05 PM

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obsidian mantle it was reflecting entire image the size of water block above it

i know

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:05 PM

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oh i see

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 10:05 PM

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its for sam

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:05 PM

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oh

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:05 PM

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you'd have to have different offsets per sprite i guess?

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:05 PM

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no

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const

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:06 PM

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i dont get what you mean

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 10:07 PM

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you always have a copy of yourself underneath but its only rendered in the water

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i think thats how you do it

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:07 PM

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yes

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but i account for the elevated ledge

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 10:07 PM

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so above water its like this, but bottom is not visible

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you can pretty much do it with layers i think

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:08 PM

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damn, im getting confused about how irl reflections owrk now

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 10:08 PM

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bottom body is higher than water but lower than floor

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is it a good way

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actually you need more because reflection has to be under the water to be distorted

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:10 PM

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ok ye, the water being closer when getting away fromt he ledge means the reflection is higher so the reflection also goes up

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 10:10 PM

#

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so ground would cover reflection, water would distort reflection

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dont need 2 cameras

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but all objects need to be double-sprited idk

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:11 PM

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ye

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:12 PM

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does this make more sense

obsidian mantle Oct 27, 2025, 10:12 PM

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unusable in 3d i guess

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:12 PM

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it's a reflected copy

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:13 PM

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olive sable ok ye, the water being closer when getting away fromt he ledge means the reflect...

ye thats wha i meant with this lol

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:13 PM

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rigid snow it's a reflected copy

same dist

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across all sprites

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:13 PM

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so like, basically, height movement up gets mirrored, depth movement up doesnt.

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:13 PM

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yes that's what i meant by same z as main ones

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:18 PM

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rigid snow does this make more sense

Oh god I can finally talk. Rerendering the entire scene with coordinates inverted at reflection plane is old.. Way too much effort. One modern approach is to place a (6) new camera(s) and rerender (at lower scale) and use it like a weird texture. That is where some approximations of Nvidia shine like voxel based volumetric lighting with 1-3 bounces, but mostly we are heading towards ray and path tracing.... The bounces are the issue...

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:19 PM

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what are you on

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this is 2d topdown

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:19 PM

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rigid snow this is 2d topdown

The game is a 2d projection with 3d layers so like 3d is often a projection of the 4d affine space

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:20 PM

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using a separate camera is most of the time not that cost effective as compared to instancing sprites afaik

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:20 PM

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then i don't understand your point, why would you rerender the whole scene here

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:20 PM

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olive sable using a separate camera is most of the time not that cost effective as compared ...

Valid. Want a truly effective solution... that would be fun

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:20 PM

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this isn't what's happening

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:21 PM

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rigid snow then i don't understand your point, why would you rerender the whole scene here

You already have a render. You can maybe displace a bit

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:21 PM

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good luck flipping it vertically without flipping the relative y

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between sprites

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ssr no worky here

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:22 PM

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i mean, as long as the camera angle is easy like a 45% angle it shouldn't be too bad

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:24 PM

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So he basically only projected sprites, (applied clippinmg), used multiplication or what was the exponential one and put it on top with some coordinate changes like invert y?

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:24 PM

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what i'm suggesting isn't what vedal did

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:24 PM

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for the final version he's using a seperate camera or something

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:25 PM

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olive sable for the final version he's using a seperate camera or something

urgh yeah ok. That is normal though. Vacation drunk. Sry. I will be back sober

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Did I miss a point of the argument?

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:25 PM

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its normal-ish, but a bit performance heavy way to do it

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:25 PM

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there isn't an argument

azure nacelle Oct 27, 2025, 10:29 PM

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rigid snow does this make more sense

in 3d it is very simple
with what you said earlier about having a mirrored copy
i can't say i've seen a 2d solution

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:29 PM

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i am proposing one..

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it's not a copy of the scene, just the sprites that match a condition

azure nacelle Oct 27, 2025, 10:30 PM

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right

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:30 PM

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azure nacelle in 3d it is very simple with what you said earlier about having a mirrored copy ...

id argue 3D is the hardest one to do

azure nacelle Oct 27, 2025, 10:30 PM

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olive sable id argue 3D is the hardest one to do

so i mean by making a literal copy
that is what old games used to do

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very simple, mario 64 does a similar thing

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:30 PM

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sure you can jsut render your entire scene in reverse, but after a while the doubling of all the rendered polys add up

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its a lazy solution

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:33 PM

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azure nacelle very simple, mario 64 does a similar thing

They copied the entire world.. good for simple surfaces

azure nacelle Oct 27, 2025, 10:34 PM

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rigid snow does this make more sense

but yeah, the reflected copy would follow isometric coordinates ig.
where the "z" axis contributes to a visual up and down.
the render order for the water line just has to be on top of sprites

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:34 PM

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ye

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:34 PM

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i think i explained it the simplest initially

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:34 PM

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we've been over the 2D one lol

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:34 PM

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azure nacelle but yeah, the reflected copy would follow isometric coordinates ig. where the "z...

Yeah it is truly different in 2d

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I would add a projection class to every sprite

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:36 PM

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warm ether I would add a projection class to every sprite

That would be overkill, but easy.. there are better ways

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 10:36 PM

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rigid snow i think i explained it the simplest initially

all sprites that go above water up to a certain point get a vertically flipped copy attached to them that:

only renders in water
is ledge_height + ledge_reflection_height below the parent sprite
have the parent's z coord

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:36 PM

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olive sable its a lazy solution

screen-space reflections are probably the best solution, but there is still a trade-off.
you need to see if the math done by the raymarching is more expensife than re-renderign the entire scene again in reverse with a stencil buffer

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so like, for expensife fragment shaders in triple A games, SSR is better, for roblox its probably best to jsut copy the entire scene

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:38 PM

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rigid snow all sprites that go above water up to a certain point get a vertically flipped c...

Have fun guys ^^

azure nacelle Oct 27, 2025, 10:40 PM

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olive sable screen-space reflections are probably the best solution, but there is still a tr...

for 3d, yes ssr makes reassemble sense

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:42 PM

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SSR only really works for acute angles

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thats still a problem

#

when you look straight into a mirror, whatever was supposed to get rendered jsut isnt there to reference

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:43 PM

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olive sable SSR only really works for acute angles

ever tried to increase scale by a irrational factor. Slightly muddy but accurate. I prefer TAA

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:44 PM

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you like temporal anti aliasing?

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:44 PM

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Yes perfomance is nice

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:44 PM

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actually?

#

its anti aliasing, it shoudlnt have anything to do with performance

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:44 PM

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at 240 fps I do not care much

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:45 PM

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olive sable its anti aliasing, it shoudlnt have anything to do with performance

You basically rerender each point at different coordinates it is verya heavy

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:45 PM

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ye i know how taa works

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i just dont like it

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:45 PM

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olive sable i just dont like it

Huh I scream at edeges

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:45 PM

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makes everything look blurry and noisy

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:45 PM

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olive sable makes everything look blurry and noisy

I can understand taht

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 10:49 PM

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Ah yes, I scroll up and I see another @olive sable rants about AA methods post

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:49 PM

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KEKW

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ReallyInnocent

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 10:52 PM

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I love when I can run old games with 8xSGSSAA (MSAA but on every pixel instead of edges, so it's super sampling with an irregular pattern).
It's hard to get non-temporal AA to look as good as TAA in still frames because you can combine more samples with TAA.

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 10:53 PM

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@olive sable What AA methods exist currently in engine I forgor

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:53 PM

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MSAA 4x

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:53 PM

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young plover I love when I can run old games with 8xSGSSAA (MSAA but on every pixel instead o...

It gets weirtd when the emulator starts ripping out the old mechanics... There was a time where trilinear mipmapping was new...

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:54 PM

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young plover I love when I can run old games with 8xSGSSAA (MSAA but on every pixel instead o...

at that point i would just play in a higher resolution lol

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:55 PM

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olive sable at that point i would just play in a higher resolution lol

Stares in weird patterns

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:55 PM

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msaa but actually its ssaa sounds like madness

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 10:56 PM

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olive sable at that point i would just play in a higher resolution lol

It effectively is, the sub pixels are just rendered at offsets to avoid moire effects

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:56 PM

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oh i see

rigid locust Oct 27, 2025, 10:56 PM

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I just got to booleans can someone explain “or” a bit better, i kinda understand it but in all honesty its a little weird

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:57 PM

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olive sable msaa but actually its ssaa sounds like madness

I will have a fun dive into that I am not up to code...

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 10:57 PM

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rigid locust I just got to booleans can someone explain “or” a bit better, i kinda understand...

I'd just recommend learning the binary logic gates. Good to know

rigid locust Oct 27, 2025, 10:57 PM

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Like i understand that “and” is to check if both values are the same, if they are it outputs true, if they arent it outputs as false

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:57 PM

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amber fractal I'd just recommend learning the binary logic gates. Good to know

answers in flip floips and pielines my multiplactions

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:57 PM

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rigid locust I just got to booleans can someone explain “or” a bit better, i kinda understand...

behold, the or gate

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if any are on, the lamp is on

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:58 PM

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olive sable behold, the or gate

NO TRHE MIGHT NOR SHALL REPLACE ALL

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 10:58 PM

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warm ether It gets weirtd when the emulator starts ripping out the old mechanics... There w...

Emulator? 🤔

rigid locust Oct 27, 2025, 10:58 PM

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Ohh so its essentially if any is true then it outputs true

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 10:58 PM

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yes

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 10:58 PM

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Custom MOS are weird in x86

rigid locust Oct 27, 2025, 10:58 PM

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Thats honestly the best explanation ive ever seen lmao

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:00 PM

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young plover It effectively is, the sub pixels are just rendered at offsets to avoid moire ef...

i wonder what the performance affects of that are ngl

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 11:00 PM

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olive sable i wonder what the performance affects of that are ngl

horrendous

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:00 PM

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8K native vs 4K with 4x msaa

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surely 8K native renders better

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 11:01 PM

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Probably similar to plain SSAA unless the hardware specifically optimizes MSAA for few edge hits.

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 11:01 PM

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olive sable 8K native vs 4K with 4x msaa

8 vs 4x4 hmmm there is some frgment shader shifting oprimization, but huergh

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:01 PM

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young plover Probably similar to plain SSAA unless the hardware specifically optimizes MSAA f...

"probably" ReallyInnocent

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:02 PM

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warm ether 8 vs 4x4 hmmm there is some frgment shader shifting oprimization, but huergh

4K with 4x msaa is also just 8K image worth of samples, but the offsets affect the rendering performance im willing to bet

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 11:03 PM

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Well I can use it in Trails through Daybreak on a 5090 with a 3440x1440 monitor, so it's not that crazy.

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 11:03 PM

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olive sable "probably" <:ReallyInnocent:1229173141088112640>

there are no "edge" hits you traverse to another... psx had fp8 issues, but they are not here anymore.

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:03 PM

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ye but he said on all pixels

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:03 PM

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young plover I love when I can run old games with 8xSGSSAA (MSAA but on every pixel instead o...

whatever the fuck this thing is called

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8xSGSSAA is a disgrace ngl

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 11:05 PM

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May I ask what is the best programmed game?

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:05 PM

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probably rollercoaster tycoon

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almost entirely in pure x86 asm

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 11:06 PM

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olive sable almost entirely in pure x86 asm

It runs so well and the complexity is immense

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 11:06 PM

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DLAA with the new transformer models is the best anti-aliasing IMO. Kinda boring when the whole algorithm is "matrix multiplication go brrrrrr" though.

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:06 PM

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DLAA with the new transformer models is the best anti-aliasing IMO

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 11:07 PM

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young plover DLAA with the new transformer models is the best anti-aliasing IMO. Kinda boring...

Have not looked into that. Thanks!

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:07 PM

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olive sable `DLAA with the new transformer models is the best anti-aliasing IMO`

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

Tenor

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 11:07 PM

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It's the sad truth 😔

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:07 PM

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dlaa is such dogshit bro

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 11:08 PM

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I know the modern deep learnign algorithms like DLSS 1, 2 , 2.5 , 3, but actually JUST using it for AA?

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:08 PM

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not only do your frames get delayed, the smearing is insane

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 11:08 PM

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olive sable `DLAA with the new transformer models is the best anti-aliasing IMO`

Did you mean DLSS? (Not even going to meme on the "matrix multiplication go brrrr" comment with transformer NN arch)

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 11:08 PM

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Maybe I just play low-action games and haven't noticed. Seemed okay in FH5 though.

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:09 PM

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olive sable not only do your frames get delayed, the smearing is insane

scrajj DLAA doesn't delay your frames...

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 11:09 PM

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amber fractal Did you mean DLSS? (Not even going to meme on the "matrix multiplication go brrr...

HEHEH true lets generate some frames

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Still a good technical effort

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Hate it though

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:09 PM

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glass flower <a:scrajj:1167103365801578577> DLAA doesn't delay your frames...

it has to run an ai model with your frame as the input no?

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 11:10 PM

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amber fractal Did you mean DLSS? (Not even going to meme on the "matrix multiplication go brrr...

Nah DLAA is just DLSS with the scale factor set to 1.

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 11:10 PM

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olive sable it has to run an ai model with your frame as the input no?

True

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:10 PM

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olive sable it has to run an ai model with your frame as the input no?

uuh like any rendering does no? it doesn't delay your frame more than just anti-aliasing does

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 11:10 PM

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All AA requires post-processing

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:10 PM

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it does tho

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:10 PM

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but its not really delaying. its called rendering LULE

opaque sigil Oct 27, 2025, 11:11 PM

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olive sable it has to run an ai model with your frame as the input no?

there's no upscaling so no enub

warm ether Oct 27, 2025, 11:11 PM

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You guys are great I will return sober.... Have the greatest of Mondays!

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:12 PM

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opaque sigil there's no upscaling so no <:enub:1163912230585237655>

ye but theres still the whole anti aliasing part

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it uses an llm for that still no?

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since its like, "deep learning anti aliasing"

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:12 PM

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LULE i don't think it uses a llm for that no...

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:12 PM

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well, not an llm

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you know what i mean

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 11:12 PM

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Not LLM but model yes neurOMEGALUL

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:13 PM

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these terms get confusing

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fuck all this

opaque sigil Oct 27, 2025, 11:13 PM

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it does use a model for the anti aliasing yeah, it's just a filter not much

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:13 PM

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im sure the latency is not as bad as the frame gen one

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or the upscale ones

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but still, its worse than msaa

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:14 PM

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DLAA should be worse latency than the upscale ones

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since it the input is bigger

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so more processing

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:14 PM

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Shruge im not an ai person

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i htought the upscale ones also used the full image as an input

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:15 PM

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msaa doesn't even work for everything. DLAA does. i don't think msaa is better anymore for anti-aliasing

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:15 PM

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i do think it is better

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 11:15 PM

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In general I'd say yes, but if that is the only comment

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then those with msaa can implement it better

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:16 PM

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TAA and DLAA and whatever do better for standing still, but from the moment you move the image quality drops by 20+%

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:16 PM

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msaa only works on vertex things. so foliage would look bad on msaa no?

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:16 PM

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well, it depends

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:16 PM

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DLAA has no smearing from what i can tell

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 11:17 PM

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olive sable well, it depends

-# typo x2 xdx

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:17 PM

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AquaCry

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i think the recent DLAA is acceptable in image quality in terms of smearing

patent shard Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 PM

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yeah.. DLAA blurs so, so much when you move.. it'll basically make the sharpness look like the native resolution you are scaling to
but it does generally have very little ghosting.. except if the game is really whack

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 PM

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but DLSS is still unusable for me

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 PM

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annytfShrug i use DLSS for literally every game that has it

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and framegen

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 PM

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bruh

patent shard Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 PM

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I meant DLSS

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lol

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 PM

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i see

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 PM

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glass flower and framegen

bwaadow

patent shard Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 PM

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DLAA is actually not super blurry when you move

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:19 PM

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but i do have to say i have a 1440p monitor so if it smears or anything its less noticable generally

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:19 PM

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i think with framegen and dlss you dont have any sharp image quality left KEKW
TAA was bad enough already

glass flower Oct 27, 2025, 11:19 PM

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ICANT it really isn't that bad...

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:19 PM

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this is my job, so i can see

patent shard Oct 27, 2025, 11:20 PM

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frame gen blurred less to my eyes, I loved it
even DLSS quality was... meh.. it's only rendering at 1440p at that point, and it gets blurry when you move

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:20 PM

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i see all too well neuroAwareA

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 11:20 PM

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Anyways, question for the game engine dev. With the talk of alternate AA methods. MSAAx4 is hardcoded into the engine, Would it ever make sense to do SSAA (just plain supersampling) for those that want to add extra suffering to their GPU?

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:20 PM

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eventually i want to put that into a settings menu ye

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the 2 options of MSAA and SSAA

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i refuse to add the other ones

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maybe FXAA for the laptops and phones

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 11:22 PM

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I love trading FPS for AA except I end at 120fps still with everything applied

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:24 PM

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in terms of static frames, most of the anti aliasing options are fine. but with movements some get really smeary and i just don't vibe with that

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surely with his running at 16K fps we can let gaming phones do 4K multisampeling NeuroClueless

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 11:25 PM

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I'd be willing to test said claim

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:26 PM

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im trying to add the midi parser but im getting linking errors bwaadow

young plover Oct 27, 2025, 11:26 PM

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olive sable this is my job, so i can see

Sometimes looking too close is the problem. I made my own scaling algorithm which was like FSR 1 but dumber, faster and a couple years earlier. IMO it looked like crap on games because I would zoom in on screenshots to look for problems, but when I added it as a post-processing option to [redacted open source emulator] a lot of people preferred it. glue

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:26 PM

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well uh

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since this will be running all types of hardware i cant just say "skill issue just get more pixels"

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 11:27 PM

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And more importantly, Sam's project isn't a game port

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:27 PM

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if someone is runnign it at 360p on a smartwatch it needs to look good

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KEKW

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its partialy artist intent, but also jsut me not wanting to fix probolems by introducing different problems

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i really need to get typing lessons damn

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 11:30 PM

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olive sable the 2 options of MSAA and SSAA

I can't wait to just try 4xSSAA 4xMSAA if the engine even supports stacking them for the lols.

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I'd be curious to see how the little iGPU handles it

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:32 PM

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damn we staking AA now?

amber fractal Oct 27, 2025, 11:33 PM

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I feel like for those complaining of lack of vsync support we could at least give them quality options. (I'm not even sure if stacking works well or not)

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:33 PM

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vsync shoudl also just be an option eventually

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i jsut have it hardcoded to off cuz i need to see if a change majorly fucked renderspeed

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 11:47 PM

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olive sable it uses an llm for that still no?

helo mr chatgipt pls make game less pixelate thank

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each frame

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:48 PM

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ye ye

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i know

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not llm, i meant model

rigid snow Oct 27, 2025, 11:48 PM

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i know you know just funny

olive sable Oct 27, 2025, 11:53 PM

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aaaa linking errors aaaaaaa

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i have unlinked my errors

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or unerrored my links?

uneven pulsar Oct 28, 2025, 12:07 AM

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Yo I'm back

dull egret Oct 28, 2025, 12:37 AM

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olive sable behold, the or gate

Should've had it trigger an iron door between fences, so it's actually an OR gate

olive sable Oct 28, 2025, 12:38 AM

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not my screenshot Shruge

dull egret Oct 28, 2025, 12:38 AM

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olive sable not my screenshot <:Shruge:1182745661909762098>

Oh, ok

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New network server almost done... Fucken finally...

Just gotta add extended power button, make a hole for the giant heap of cables out the back of the cage itself, and then run the antennas up to the top, once I slip that drawer in.

Once that's done, I can install updated Arch, and copy whatever RAID and Samba configs, and some scripts are still relevant.

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I am SOOOOO... Not looking forward to re-topoing that array...

Current 36/72. Upgrade will put it to 54/90. Well, maybe we can speedrun a re-topo of the RAID 6 in a... week and a half...

Might throw some temporary drives in there, just to hold stuff, while the RAID runs at a crawl, during that operation....

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I have 2x 4 TB drives that used to be an old RAID mirror I could use to run at decent speed, during the process, I guess ElivThink

uneven pulsar Oct 28, 2025, 12:49 AM

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Reusable mem manager 😭

Cpp <= main , hpp <= extension

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Ai getting better and better

olive sable Oct 28, 2025, 12:56 AM

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MIDI NeuroBounce

uneven pulsar Oct 28, 2025, 1:11 AM

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Here is some part of data

=> Make a Matrix multiplier in python

=> Do ure self

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User = Bot= Discord.js or py ≠System

glad path Oct 28, 2025, 1:28 AM

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my ai decided to ignore me and that thought that it was supposed to ignore me because of that

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rip

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hooray i fixed the double toolcalling

inner palm Oct 28, 2025, 2:46 AM

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olive sable MIDI <a:NeuroBounce:1104933550567985312>

what is the midi message value stored?

olive sable Oct 28, 2025, 2:47 AM

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i have no fuckign clue KEKW

inner palm Oct 28, 2025, 2:47 AM

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yea, i don't understand that hex value, the length is different each other

olive sable Oct 28, 2025, 2:48 AM

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i fixed the formattign for the print here

inner palm Oct 28, 2025, 2:48 AM

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olive sable Oct 28, 2025, 2:49 AM

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The first byte in the MIDI message is expected to be a command byte, which is a byte in the range from 0x80 to 0xff.

that expalins the first 3 messages being longer i guess

inner palm Oct 28, 2025, 2:51 AM

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yes, the delta is 0 and duration is unset
so is not supposed to be a valid note

olive sable Oct 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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some of the delta 0's are just the first note tho

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oh i see NeurOhISee

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each pair of notes with a duration, has an equal amount of notes after it without a duration to turn the note back off

dense sky Oct 28, 2025, 2:54 AM

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Hello programmers

olive sable Oct 28, 2025, 2:56 AM

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olive sable oh i see <:NeurOhISee:1136209034966483084>

since im using the midi purely for animating the characters, i can safely ignore 75% of these commands then

inner palm Oct 28, 2025, 2:57 AM

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olive sable since im using the midi purely for animating the characters, i can safely ignore...

cool, so you might be like use the different track for different moving parts?

olive sable Oct 28, 2025, 2:57 AM

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ye

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one trrack drums, another track guitar

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that for all the instruments