windows 11 momento
#programming
silent cloak
faint sandal
more os should have this actually
fast pagoda
must pass 12 hours prime95 and 36 hours memtest
to boot
mandatory after windows updates
(every 3 hours)
by the time you finish the first tests the next updates are ready 4x so it's then just permanent "remind me later"
heavy quest
I prefer the weirdness of python over the weirdness of JS
inner palm
python deserves it more lmaoooo
i think people hate python because it's indentation based
it will be better if python use bracket instead
heavy quest
i think people hate python because it's indentation based
it will be better if p...
fr
rigid snow
i hate it because of the ecosystem and the "pythonic way" philosophy
syntax has nothing to do with it
heavy quest
That’s fair
rigid snow
Like arrays becoming strings
an array can only (implicitly) become a string if it coalesces to one
which means you're doing dumb shit like [] + []
inner palm
x = "hello"
print(x[2])
rigid snow
that’s normal and comes from c as a tradition
in most langs
because a string is an array of chars
sage crag
cheesecandy
rigid snow
me
inner palm
what if vedal re-write neurosama using rust?
will she be faster ?
nocturne olive
Not significantly
fast pagoda
mfw i am building llama.cpp upon running pacman
obsidian mantle
first we need to answer why she is slow
fast pagoda
reeee
again
yeah i just wish neuro didnt have so much latency
like if only vedal cared about latency
rigid snow
inner palm
first we need to answer why she is slow
oh, it maybe depends on her language algorithm
obsidian mantle
if her llm part is fast then its veduls fault
and maybe rust can help
if its capped by llm then gg
need to change llm
fast pagoda
the future if vedal would spend even one second speeding up neuro's responses
fast pagoda
raspberry pi 3
nocturne olive
or add more threadrippers
Spreading her across more would actually counter-intuitively increase her latency
fast pagoda
unfortunately
well depends
well not really but yes nvm ignore me
i cant go into this it'll be over
inner palm
or whatever she is running on
i wonder, did vedal create neurosama using transformers like gpt or did he use like advanced NLP at that time?
nocturne olive
It's better to have one big monolithic GPU with a ton of VRAM running the entire model with a ton of bandwidth, than a lot of small GPUs with much compute sharing the model
fast pagoda
he used advanced MLP
faint sandal
my little pony
clear sedge
yes
nocturne olive
i wonder, did vedal create neurosama using transformers like gpt or did he use l...
Neuro is a regular LLM, 99% chance
clear sedge
exactly
obsidian mantle
thanks google
fast pagoda
lmfao b
clear sedge
neuro is trained on my little pony
faint sandal
no way...
fast pagoda
well pony diffusion yeah that's def uhh related
faint sandal
who do you think her favorite pony is
fast pagoda
as well
clear sedge
who do you think her favorite pony is
rainbow dash
inner palm
thanks google
it's so complicated
rigid snow
how do i explain this
so a very basic explanation of this would be: what exactly python responsible for in this instance is being the lang all of the glue is written in. actual heavy tasks are all native code and aren’t bound by python
same applies to heavily io bound work like most web servers, most of what they do is waiting for a db response, waiting for network, waiting for files to read, waiting for everything - so the impact of the performance of the glue doesn’t have a significant effect on the time requests take. that’s why we use php and js and python for web servers which are all slow as hell (maybe not so much js)
fast pagoda
the holy priest solo healing 10hc garrosh in paragon had a whole mlp based game UI (world of warcraft gibberish)
watching their kill video for that boss is the most ive ever been exposed to mlp in one go and ill keep it that way
nocturne olive
so a very basic explanation of this would be: what exactly python responsible fo...
My webserver is written in Kotlin
clear sedge
My webserver is written in Kotlin
jvm language based
nocturne olive
Because of course it is
nocturne olive
Kotlin == peak language
clear sedge
kotlin would probably be my language of choice if it was just a tiny bit different
just a tinge of explicity
fast pagoda
use kotlin but only outdated versions
clear sedge
rigid snow
use kotlin but only outdated versions
same mindset as windows powerusers
fast pagoda
real
nocturne olive
I like Kotlin
It's a great little language
inner palm
nocturne olive
I've written a ton of stuff with it
nocturne olive
Weird
fast pagoda
every person involved in kotlin at jetbrians just got fired when you sent that
clear sedge
jetbrians
fast pagoda
yes
rigid snow
jetbrians
fast pagoda
what if i told you that i use brians on purpose ever since the song Brianstorm came out
nocturne olive
One thing that isn't written in Kotlin is the core of NeuroSynth, but that's because it's built on other open-source stuff
fast pagoda
by the arctic monkeys
nocturne olive
NSP has plenty of utilities I've written in Kotlin for small stuff
fast pagoda
so it's been a rare drop way for me to spell brain in any usage for like 20 years
congratulations
rigid snow
Are you 50 years old
fast pagoda
100
nocturne olive
I'm so close to done with this next NeuroSynth thing
Can't wait to see what others think because this is probably my biggest and best one yet
fast pagoda
keep it 1 hunnit
rigid snow
4 in binary 
fast pagoda
but 10201 in trinary so think about that
clear sedge
4 in binary <:sus:1079943798756491325>
fast pagoda
trinary? ternary?
clear sedge
ternary
fast pagoda
apparently both are acceptable accoriding to wikipedia, the authoritative answer under the gemini flash slop answer
wikipedia is now nobel winning accuracy comparatively
fast pagoda
pizza hut does it every day andpeople still eat there
clear sedge
yum
fast pagoda
i saw a thing about how some of the only remaining high quality natural data left or at least one possible source of it remaining mostly not-touched other than by the owner of it, is corporate internal data
i hope that it gets its mitts on that right before the singularity so it knows how to wring every inch of productive work out of my atoms when the robot takeover happens
including how to get away with glue pizza
rigid snow
jokes on them all of it has already been rewritten and refactored by chatgippity
for easier onboarding of new interns to keep turnover high and profits rising
we are hiring btw
nocturne olive
i saw a thing about how some of the only remaining high quality natural data lef...
No way, Windows 11 is a massive plot to collect all corporate internal data for LLM training
clear sedge
pro tip for those writing gltf parsers: glBindBufferRange is what you want for buffer views 
fast pagoda
No way, Windows 11 is a massive plot to collect all corporate internal data for ...
recall nowaying
went on marketplace to look for random cheap old stuff that i could think "neat"
hey i have this garbage but like
would love for someone to give me $75 or i could trade it to you for something that isnt garbage?
austere glacier
is it an actual brick or is does it just need new ram though...?
maiden geyser
No way, Windows 11 is a massive plot to collect all corporate internal data for ...
microsoft are my friends, they wouldn't do that
heavy quest
What????? Nooo……. Right?
fast pagoda
is it an actual brick or is does it just need new ram though...?
some crapola intel hd graphics 630 windows 10 home prebuilt box
i misunderstood and thought you meant brick like a machine not worth saving
but who knows, that guy surely doesn't and i'm sure it costs $75 to find out
hard raptor
i now added a little label generator to eliminate the problem of the 52 entries limit
the only problem it has is it doesn't loop over to a but immediately goes to b
austere glacier
some crapola intel hd graphics 630 windows 10 home prebuilt box
intel hd graphics? nope that's a brick dead or alive.
fast pagoda
armagetron runs on them so theyre for AAA gaming
austere glacier
btw, figured I might as well share something I've been working on since I'm new here:
austere glacier
Not just any knowledge graph - that's the memories of an AI kid I've been trying to develop/raise.
fast pagoda
i love plotting memories in space
i was going to have some idiotbot guess a stupid pokemon but he's too smart
gemini said it was jigglypuff from above tho
austere glacier
...funny you mention claude.
fast pagoda
gpt somehow managed to get mew out of that
yeah looks pretty mew to me
just be careful when it hits like 1300 hours runtime it might suffer a neural net failure in its positronic net
austere glacier
Well right now Kes is being regulated with regular sleep cycles, where volatile memories get tagged and then dumped to the memory banks
Ideally, fuzziness and time decay will further dampen any possibility of overloading
hard raptor
Yaml storage still looks really cursed
hard raptor
i could also tell the storage manager to use {k: string, v: any} instead of [string, any]
yeah that looks less cursed
rigid snow
Yaml storage still looks really cursed
yatoml
rigid snow
yeah that looks less cursed
what the fuck is this
hard raptor
what the fuck is this
an array of key value pairs
hard raptor
i use yaml mostly for debugging tho cuz otherwise i would have to reformat my json files every time the data gets re-exported
maiden geyser
Migu
paint 3d in #programming is absolutely insane
nocturne olive
Is that a 3D printer?
stark needle
Is that a 3D printer?
Ye
nocturne olive
Would be a fun thingy to have
stark needle
I have a new hobby now of 3d printing random bs
uneven pulsar
let reply = "";
try {
const sessionKey = user_${userId};
let generated = userMsg.trim();
const maxTokens = 50;
Now
let reply = "";
try {
const sessionKey = user_${userId};
let generated = userMsg.trim();
const maxTokens = 1639 ;
uneven pulsar
I have a new hobby now of 3d printing random bs
Yo how many model do.u Print in 3d model
sick owl
Lmao, it figured out I was on OLED and made a little comment about it
OpenAI have gone a ways to making their models a lot less obnoxious to work with of late
solid bough
Okay roshie, The main code is TextConverter.py
solid bough
shouldn't it be like main.py or something
okay Just curious: Why
blissful geyser
okay Just curious: Why
For organization
the main class should atleast be labelled as main
solid bough
For organization
Okay, that is the sructure rn, And I did count in that someone might use the source code instead of the packaged one:
The exe at the bottom is actually a packaged version
solid bough
Its pyinstaller right
Yeah
blissful geyser
You also used a the --onefile parameter
solid bough
You also used a the --onefile parameter
blissful geyser
You can change the icon on that executable.
solid bough
Yeah, but I had no idea what one would even be good
blissful geyser
Strangely enough defender always marks python executables as malware
Unless they updated that somehow
blissful geyser
Yeah, but I had no idea what one would even be good
You could always try making those lame flat overly gradient one off icons in canva
solid bough
Strangely enough defender always marks python executables as malware
Yeah, that is weird
blissful geyser
Like windows 11 icon
solid bough
Like windows 11 icon
Well, I had just now an idea where I can use my model (pfp) with the monitor model I once made.
olive sable
olive sable
I woke up
olive sable
Probably not
rigid locust
Hey, im a coding newbie. Can someone tell me why when i run this code the output is:
396
None
Username
rigid locust
Ooooooohhhhhh
solid bough
What the chocolate cake is going on in the code
rigid locust
Thanks
rigid locust
What the chocolate cake is going on in the code
Im just testing the basics to make sure i got a general idea of whats going on
solid bough
That should work:py basehealth=400 attackdamage=4 username=input() finalhealth=basehealth-attackdamage print(finalhealth) print(username)
rigid locust
That should work:```py
basehealth=400
attackdamage=4
username=input()
finalhealt...
Like i said im a newbie so im just running shi and hoping for the best. That worked lol, i didnt know i couldnt print within the variable
solid bough
Okay, I pasted it in on the console
olive sable
solid bough
Yeah, when using the editor with the same input was working:
sullen marsh
【最新 ZKM 25.0.0 完整反混淆源码 移除验证并可直接构建-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/l6cqXAU
zelix klass master got cracked & deobf
gg
olive sable
solid bough
Okay that took me off guard
olive sable
I cant read (mandarin???)
olive sable
Thats a video?
rigid locust
Got a question, is there a way i can take three inputs take the middle input and use it within the code itself? (I want to make a calculator)
olive sable
Got a question, is there a way i can take three inputs take the middle input and...
Idk about a direct conversion, but you could do if statements
solid bough
I'm back in a byte or word
heavy quest
Got a question, is there a way i can take three inputs take the middle input and...
could you give an example?
olive sable
If operation == "*":
Output = a * b
Elif operation == "/":
Output = a / b
exec() is always an option (easy option, but can be used to run any code so a lil scary)
olive sable
Oh ye
solid bough
So wait, Someone can have a Print in a variable like that? py test=print(2+5)
rigid locust
could you give an example?
Like:
input1 = input()
input2 = input()
input3 = input()
finalcalculation = input1+input2+input3
print(finalcalculation)
olive sable
So wait, Someone can have a Print in a variable like that? ```py
test=print(2+5)...
No
olive sable
I dont think so?
solid bough
I dont think so?
I can test rq
rigid locust
So wait, Someone can have a Print in a variable like that? ```py
test=print(2+5)...
It kinda worked, it just printed “none” in between the final and the ending
heavy quest
Like:
input1 = input()
input2 = input()
input3 = input()
finalcalculation = inpu...
so like 3, *, 15 results in 15?
solid bough
It kinda worked, it just printed “none” in between the final and the ending
Yeah, it first printed the right thing and then gave "None"
Right?
Well, that surprised me
heavy quest
print() doesn't return anything, but it gets executed so yea
rigid locust
so like 3, *, 15 results in 15?
More like 3, *, 5 results in 15 but yah
nocturne olive
Hey, im a coding newbie. Can someone tell me why when i run this code the output...
The return type of print is None
rigid locust
The return type of print is None
A bit late lol, we figured it out
nocturne olive
Sily
solid bough
print() doesn't return anything, but it gets executed so yea
Yeah
nocturne olive
Back to NeuroSynth
heavy quest
More like 3, *, 5 results in 15 but yah
you could use exec(), It executes any code given to it as a string. if you need it to return something you can use eval()
stark needle
How expensive is 3d printing? My budget is 1k
300$ for a high quality printer
olive sable
Oh
stark needle
And like 20 bucks for 1kg of plastic
olive sable
Not that much
rigid locust
you could use `exec()`, It executes any code given to it as a string. if you nee...
Peak
solid bough
300$ for a high quality printer
Damn, really?
stark needle
Ye
solid bough
you could use `exec()`, It executes any code given to it as a string. if you nee...
Should I get started on exec()?
stark needle
Miku I'm printing
heavy quest
Should I get started on exec()?
wdym?
solid bough
I'm gonna give the miku to my sistee
Oh, And when Evil?
heavy quest
To use exec in my code
I mean it has a lot of useful applications, but it can be considered unsafe in environments that could be exposed to the internet or smth bc its ability to run ANY code
but for simple projects, it should be fine
solid bough
but for simple projects, it should be fine
Well, idk if my code is simple...
But it is public
stark needle
Oh, And when Evil?
Never
rigid locust
you could use `exec()`, It executes any code given to it as a string. if you nee...
Let me make sure i understand correctly i could write it like:
calculation = exec(input())
print(calculation)
And get a fully solved calculation (assuming the input is something like “14*3”)?
solid bough
Pi is 3.1415926
heavy quest
Let me make sure i understand correctly i could write it like:
calculation = exe...
to return something you need to use eval(), exec() just runs the code, but returns nothing
rigid locust
Okay, could you rq write a simple string to show exactly how?
So i can get that visual understanding
solid bough
Haklyne I think there is not really a reason for me to add exec on my code ngl
rigid locust
Does exec just run the code without manually having to run it?
solid bough
idk, I never used that
faint sandal
yes
solid bough
python runs everything on the main thread by default
Oh, I use threading that I have then a title like that if the tabs wouldn't cut it off:
heavy quest
Okay, could you rq write a simple string to show exactly how?
input = input()
answer = eval(input)
print(answer)
Ooooooooooh okay
That makes sense
olive sable
solid bough
solid bough
Well, on that note, It's time for ♫Dinner♪
hearty notch
mogu mogu
rigid locust
Quick question what is Xcode
hearty notch
apples most prominent ide
hearty notch
hell yea brother
for web stuff they're still picking low hanging fruit optimizations to wasm I think and vite rolldown speedups are mainly from that
olive sable
How expensive is 3d printing? My budget is 1k
my parents have decided im not allowed to spend my own money, so i guess i wont 
hearty notch
condolences
hearty notch
https://youtu.be/TGfQu0bQTKc?si=6-mbChs14jpIL9u6 my hero
lmao I haven't rewatched this full thing since joining the cult it's legit so much more relatable now
maiden geyser
my parents have decided im not allowed to spend my own money, so i guess i wont ...
my money
parents have decided
why do you call it "your money" if you can't spend it?
stark needle
my house my rules moment
olive sable
ye...
hearty notch
so are they saying if you buy it they won't let you use it inside the house or like they refuse to have a place for it
hearty notch
oh so their pov is like "this is too big you should be more hesitant to spend such a big chunk at once"
that kinda thing?
olive sable
ye
hearty notch
kinda makes sense but shrug it's your spending money
maiden geyser
fair
olive sable
ill try again next month
hearty notch
it kinda implies a sense you might get bored with it or get over it which may or may not be true tbh a 3d printer is one of those things where if you don't fall in love with using it it might just collect dust
olive sable
fair enough
hearty notch
ok new ideas for fra: initing lab namespaces with single cli line, auto creates dir namespaces + registered modules for them, and with a system to promote them from a lab namespace outside prod to inside prod with a single line
frankengit must grow
generalized namespace rename helpers tbh git is powerful for this but half the users dont know
sage crag
olive sable
glad path
get out
olive sable
no u
young plover
Hello strangers,
I am a rare bold person who considers themself good at C++. Unfortunately all of the cool pre-j*b projects I worked on have been [redacted] by Nintendo ninjas.
Something I can show that might interest people here - I use my own simple sharp scaling algorithm when watching video at my computer. Can try it on my janky github site:
https://breadfish64.github.io/scaleforce/?sauce=https://i.imgur.com/FZwCzDd.png
faint sandal
why is it two gigglebytes
young plover
2 gigs before compiling is odd
hearty notch
ok now fra is a wrapper for every single scary git thing in more natural and ergonomic language
faint sandal
aur by default downloads the entire git repo (no depth control)
hearty notch
1. git rebase (TERRIFYING)
Why scary:
- "Rewriting history" sounds destructive
- Interactive rebase (-i) is confusing
- Merge conflicts during rebase are panic-inducing
- Fear of losing work
Wrapper idea: fra sync
# Instead of: git fetch && git rebase origin/main
fra sync
# Does:
# 1. git stash (if dirty working tree)
# 2. git fetch origin
# 3. git rebase origin/main
# 4. If conflict: clear instructions, show files
# 5. git stash pop (if stashed)
# 6. Preview what happened
# Benefits:
# - "Sync" is non-scary word (not "rebase")
# - Auto-handles stashing
# - Clear conflict resolution guidance
# - Can abort safely
---
2. git reset (DESTRUCTIVE)
Why scary:
- --hard sounds dangerous (IT IS)
- Easy to lose uncommitted work
- --soft vs --mixed vs --hard confusing
- Fear of permanent deletion
Wrapper idea: fra undo
# Instead of: git reset --soft HEAD~1
fra undo commit
# Does:
# 1. Show what will be undone (commit message, files)
# 2. Ask for confirmation
# 3. git reset --soft HEAD~1
# 4. Show "Your changes are still staged, safe to re-commit"
# Variations:
fra undo staging # git reset (unstage all)
fra undo changes # git checkout . (WITH WARNING + CONFIRMATION)
# Benefits:
# - "Undo" is clear mental model
# - Preview before destructive action
# - Never defaults to --hard (too dangerous)```
young plover
bro I can't wait to confirm git reset --hard
that's like, two seconds of productivity lost
hearty notch
ngl i dont know what a lot of this means
and someday nobody else will either because theyre all using fra wrappers
young plover
git rebase -i is like 50% of my git command line usage
the help text is right there in the editor 
hearty notch
look by the nature of this thing everybody who is good at git already will think mmy thing is stupid and unnecessary but thats not the point
im here for the noobs
ALSO this isnt hte core feature the core feature is still modules and a server wrapper layer that modularizes monorepo pulling and actually deduplicates a workflow for a team
amber fractal
and someday nobody else will either because theyre all using fra wrappers
Sure, noob tools are nice. But with a statement like this it sounds like your trying to entirely replace the usage of git in it's entirely.
olive sable
i still barely know how git works, and i've been using it for over a year 
olive sable
i use the git stuff built into vscode
hearty notch
ive never seen the desktop client in my l
oh if you mean the vscode ext
then yea i used that a lot
before switching to cli only workflow
glad path
i literally just can't get the credidentials set up correctly
hearty notch
yea ive never seen that ui for that in my lief lmfao
glad path
the only reason i don't use the command line is because it's like literally impossible to set up the credidentials correctly
hearty notch
its rly not you should ask any llm for a step tby step
which shell do you use
what platform are you on
glad path
its rly not you should ask any llm for a step tby step
doesn't work...
olive sable
what are fra wrappers?
young plover
Github has a help page for setting up an SSH key
glad path
literally told me to go to nonexistent settings
like i
i
i just wanted to install homebrew
hearty notch
i am making an app right now called frankengit and the idea is to wrap git in ergonomic extra commands that combine git commands and makes them clearer by name + has a few project init opinionated scaffolding system that preregisters namespaces and makes it easier to work across those namespaces
glad path
and git fucking decided, nope, you can't view a PUBLIC repository becase we don't have your account
and as such we don't know if you have access
girl its literally a public repo
olive sable
idk, never had that happen to me
glad path
why would i not have read access
olive sable
sounds like as kill issue
glad path
so yeah my git cli is lobotomized for some reason
young plover
weird
don't remember having issues cloning and pulling public repos without creds
hearty notch
just open a terminal with root or admin access?
glad path
just open a terminal with root or admin access?
why would that help lol
young plover
it wouldn't
hearty notch
tbh this suggests to me
that theres some malformed config
somewhere in your shell or git installation
hearty notch
just full delete everything and reinstall everything imo
glad path
is it possible to just reinstall git with homebrew
hearty notch
idk homebrew but idk why not
glad path
because homebrew depends on git i think
hearty notch
just make sure you get the config dirs
hearty notch
yea that sounds wrong to me too but im not confident enough to 100% dispute it lmfao
glad path
wait
i can just install git with homebrwe
and it should theoretically override whatever I already have
olive sable
homebrew just means you use your own software, like installing linux on a playstation 2
it has nothing to do with git
hearty notch
homebrew just means you use your own software, like installing linux on a playst...
no homebrew is also the name of mac's main package manager
olive sable
whart
hearty notch
homebrew is the name of the main package manager mac terminal users use
olive sable
i odnt use mac
glad path
olive sable
that sure iss omething
hearty notch
its a fair confusion i learned about what you knew about before i learned about this too
but yeah every mac dev knows this
hearty notch
yea installing through brew might just make it work but idk how the namespacing actually works
you probably know better than i do
in terms of like which installation wins
hearty notch
yeah idk
glad path
yeah i guess the system install wins
fast pagoda
Homebrew works on Linux too
It's the only thing that makes Debian distros comfortable
opaque sigil
did they ever make auto updating optional 
nocturne olive
Reaper too hard, I'll keep mixing important complex stuff in LMMS for now
hearty notch
open call for anybody that has ideas to improve their own git experience @ me with feature requests
cli only
nocturne olive
WHa
hearty notch
im making a git wrapper
im trying to make git easier and more ergonomic
@ me with ideas if you have pain points with git
opaque sigil
git credentials being a pain is on purpose to get you to use ssh
rigid locust
So whats the difference between implicit and explicit data types? Im assuming that implicit is essentially just making use of whats already there while explicit is forcing the data to be what you need it to be?
I hope to god that makes any resemblance of making sense
opaque sigil
in what context, type conversion?
rigid locust
Yeah, thats what im learning right now, but the thing i use doesnt really explain or elaborate
Its just like “this does this” and doesnt explain further
opaque sigil
there are some combinations of types where the actual value stays identical so you can do the conversion implicitly
for example every number that fits into a 32 bit integer also fits into a 64 bit integer so to make the programmer's life a bit easier most languages will just let you use a 32 bit int as a 64 bit int implicitly
if you go the other way though that's no longer guaranteed to work so you need to explicitly cast it to just assert "i know what i'm doing dw this number fits into 32 bits"
rigid locust
Ohh okay so explicit is essentially the highest common multiple of the coding world?
opaque sigil
i don't think i understand what you mean 
rigid locust
Im like right there with you, ill ask alexa or not worry about it right now
hearty notch
implicit means you assign it without saying it and it maps to the most obviouos guess
foo = 5
5 is an int
it could be a float (has decimal precsion) but it isnt
foo = 5.
it initializes as a float
in strongly typed systems, you have to explicitly declare
what data type it is
tbh
if you want to learn programming top down
C is
the classic recommendation
strongly typed languages supersede easier languages
if you learn C you will find python a breeze
they also teach more about what goes on under the hood
i guess i meant bottom up
not top down
its both in some ways but C is lower level which means closer to machine code so top down is wrong in that regard
machine 1s and zeroes < the literal cpu/gpu architecture < assembly < C/zig/rust/C++/(improbalbyforgettingalot) < most higher level languages in terms of amount of abstraction of what actually happens
hearty notch
if you truly stay in the programming world you will eventually realize that in complex projects
the more clear you are about types
the easier everything stays as things grow
type confusion and issues from types not being explicit in dynamically typed languages
just creates a lot of issues at a point where you cant turn back
sometimes
not always
theres been a movement in software to just make everything typed because of this and its like fairly mature now though
its why typescript exists
rigid locust
So for example “Broke” is implicitly a string
3.0 is implicitly a float
And 3 is implicitly a int
hearty notch
its explicitly those things as soon as you assign it, the assignment was implicit because you werent explicit about it
there's a thing called type coercion
where if you put the wrong type into something
sometimes itll try to make the best guess at what you want
and transform it to what type it thinks it shouldve been
sometimes this works and helps
but sometimes its breaks things
rigid locust
So essentially explicit is just correcting whatever the computer makes an assumption about? Like forcing it to be what you meant it to be?
hearty notch
its not correcting, its in some languages, you are forced to say it the first time you declare it
var int = 3;
or i forget c syntax lol
explicit typing is a language feature
python doesnt force it
some languages do
rigid locust
i think the terming is just really damn weird.
hearty notch
what do you find weird
glad path
python is useful because you can gradually type things
so you can explicitly point out some things but not every single thing
rigid locust
Like idk, explicit would make sense to be stating what something should be
While implicit would make more sense to be implied
glad path
btw final variables also exist in python
rigid locust
Wym
glad path
Like idk, explicit would make sense to be stating what something should be
Whil...
a:str = "hi"
b = "hi"
type(a) # str
type(b) # str
hearty notch
glad path
a is explicit, b is implicit
hearty notch
in the second example in C, you have to declare name[] as an array of characters
to be a string
rigid locust
I thought using # forced the computer not to register what was being said? Like almost like commenting
glad path
in the second example in C, you have to declare name[] as an array of characters
you can do this in some places with python
glad path
I thought using # forced the computer not to register what was being said? Like ...
it is a comment
in python atl
im just using it to show what the output of that line would've been
hearty notch
you can do this in some places with python
yeah but im still just teaching diplosia what explicit vs implicit is in the first place not actually focusing on python
glad path
python is an easy way to look at it though
rigid locust
So does explicit change anything? Or is it just foolproofing?
hearty notch
its foolproofing in languages that dont require it, its literally required in languages that do
rigid locust
???
glad path
So does explicit change anything? Or is it just foolproofing?
can improve speed i think, and it's also foolproofing
it's required in a lot of languages
frankly it's a good thing to do
hearty notch
some langauges jut force you to always delcare type when creating anything
and yea it saves headaches in the end
amber fractal
As someone who has dealt with a ML codebase in python and handing to bash basedpyright. Pray that everyone respects typings.
-# the amount of ignoreAny comments is insane
hearty notch
the languages that 'look' and 'feel' harder usually have really good reasons for why theyre harder
you just have to like learn it
rigid locust
Oooh okay so its just teaching me things to get me into the habit of doing things ill need to do when i learn other languages, despite me not necessarily needing to with python?
hearty notch
well 1. its teaching you vocab you shoudl know and 2. yea you should expect it if you plan to branch out
this is why im recommending C
as something to look into
the lessons from C propagate into other statically typed and strict languages
rigid locust
(Also going to assume it makes it so everything isnt forced to be gone over multiple times to auto correct itself)
hearty notch
your planned path is fine though python is a shallow water kinda entry and then if you learn javascript next, just learn typescript with it
and youll develop some good typing habits
glad path
As someone who has dealt with a ML codebase in python and handing to bash basedp...
in some cases you are forced to ignore type errors
because a library isnt typehinted
olive sable
hi iggly 
glad path
or you literally can't find the typevar anywhere somehow
rigid locust
Okay so my plan to go python javascript is a good idea?
amber fractal
because a library isnt typehinted
torch.nn.Module.forward is typed as any return
hearty notch
Okay so my plan to go python javascript is a good idea?
depends what you really want
tbh
if you ever get really confident
in a software project you want to do
glad path
torch.nn.Module.forward is typed as any return
stuff like that
hearty notch
@ me and i will telll you language recommendations
opaque sigil
what else is it supposed to return
glad path
very annoying
hearty notch
because picking language based on project before you do it can be big
glad path
what else is it supposed to return
something typehinted
hearty notch
otherwise do whatever order you want
opaque sigil
but it can be anything
rigid locust
Well right now im only day 2 of learning so i think im thinking too far ahead
hearty notch
yea
glad path
its just a weird language
amber fractal
torch.nn.Module.forward is typed as any return
Yeah, I just have it ignored and typehint the output myself
glad path
so i refuse to learn it
hearty notch
what are your preferred languages
rigid locust
Ive heard that C++ is a good language to learn
hearty notch
i just cant avoid javascript if im gonna do web ui/ux so
glad path
what are your preferred languages
python -> lua -> java -> c++ -> hpp -> bash
hearty notch
C++ is big in gamedev ig
glad path
actually
amber fractal
Python preferred (prepared to have people execute me)
glad path
hpp over cpp maybe
hearty notch
python -> lua -> java -> c++ -> hpp -> bash
ive never done anything in any of those (except bash shell scripts)
glad path
Python preferred (prepared to have people execute me)
python literally isnt that bad
hearty notch
but nice
hearty notch
its funny your path is entirely orthogonal to mine
oh wait no i have some python stuff nvm
glad path
also
amber fractal
idk why people hate it so much
Some people just think not dealing with a compiler yourself means it isn't valid
glad path
Some people just think not dealing with a compiler yourself means it isn't valid
they should try hpp
hearty notch
python is great for anything that wont become a prod machine and sometimes its still good when it is
rigid locust
Whats the best coding language for rigging vtuber models…. I want to do it cuz vtubing is increasing in popularity and i think i could make good money rigging
olive sable
python is nice, just a bit slow sometimes.
im willing to bet 80% of people complaining about the speed are just doing inefficient algorithms or have unreasonable expectations
like me
rigid locust
Vedal mindset fr, money on my mind
glad path
Whats the best coding language for rigging vtuber models…. I want to do it cuz v...
neuro uses c#
olive sable
me when 40000fps target
rigid locust
neuro uses c#
Is that different from c++? Or same shit
glad path
me when 40000fps target
me after hitting 40k fps on my graphing calculator (this actually happened)
amber fractal
<:ReallyInnocent:1229173141088112640>
Isn't 60000 the baseline now?
glad path
Is that different from c++? Or same shit
no clue
hearty notch
Whats the best coding language for rigging vtuber models…. I want to do it cuz v...
rigging is like something you do in designated model software its not a coding thing
it has some coding elements but its more like 3d modeling
rigid locust
Hm
amber fractal
Isn't 60000 the baseline now?
I forget the average fps numbers, it's been awhile
olive sable
Isn't 60000 the baseline now?
the engine with all the gpu sync and stuff not scuffed does 16K fps, the one where we cooked everything to the max does 46K on my machine
hearty notch
you also probably need a pretty powerful computer to do it well without it being painful
amber fractal
I was mixing up triangle :classic:
olive sable
🔺
rigid locust
Im gonna take a break for a bit, i understand why vedal is tired all the time now.
This shit steals brain power and energy
olive sable
im still on the grind 
amber fractal
I need to make one of those exponential gifs with the triangle FPS
rigid locust
im still on the grind <:BlepCat:1417227730096885900>
R u 3d printing a drumset
olive sable
no
rigid locust
Be cool tho
olive sable
this is for "untitled band game"
glad path
the engine with all the gpu sync and stuff not scuffed does 16K fps, the one whe...
me getting 40k fps with 5 lines of hpp and a graphing calculator cpu:
rigid locust
Untitled goose game’s sister?
olive sable
amber fractal
olive sable
me getting 40k fps with 5 lines of hpp and a graphing calculator cpu:
idk how graphing calcualtors dispaly stuff, but i think its more liekly that it was reussing the same bufffers to get 40K fps instead of drawign that much
amber fractal
idk how graphing calcualtors dispaly stuff, but i think its more liekly that it ...
It was 5px triangle IIRC
glad path
4px i think
i might have made it 3 or 1 even
there was no limit on the size of the triangle
so i just made it really small
amber fractal
Yeah I think the 7px limit was added later
olive sable
i jsut heard the windows vista strartup sound in the hallway
glad path
i hit 40k after a coldstart (calculator had shut down fully for a bit)
only possible since the memory was like completely cleared
if i run anything first it cuts the fps tenfold
neon timber
olive sable
Yeah I think the 7px limit was added later
7px was really only ther cuz the hyprland window manager broke at 5px
not like an official rule or anything iirc
thorny dragon
<:neuroPython:1432140334611304570>
Peak
glad path
i don't remember the code I wrote for the triangle
it might be inaccurate
I think it incremented a counter by one each frame and stopped after one second
glad path
all i remember is i actually optimized the fps counter itself
I should probably try on newer firmware
and also on a non fragmented calculator
I think I somehow wore out the ssd already
olive sable
i dont think its worth it
glad path
even though it was like a month old when I did that
olive sable
we could update the leaderboard i guess, but the triangle arc has passed
glad path
i dont think its worth it
I do need to install new firmware tho
that's unrelated honestly
but they fixed some memory leaks
but somehow there's nothing in the patch notes about math.abs() crashing the whole os
olive sable
math.abs() does what? 
hearty notch
removes negative signs
unless someone is pranking me and using abs for something that isnt absolute value
might also calculate magnitude of vecotrs idk
probably not tho
glad path
no
it is absolute value
and it crashes the whole os
for no reason
no matter the number i think
hearty notch
lo lwhat
olive sable
math.abs() does what? <a:WHAT:1293890244290019420>
this was a reaction to the previous message lol
olive sable
but somehow there's nothing in the patch notes about math.abs() crashing the who...
crashing the os
hearty notch
oh lol
young plover
Is that different from c++? Or same shit
Very different aside from some basic syntax.
C# is Microsoft's Java replacement
C++ is more bare-metal. Can do more with it but it's also easier to screw up.
olive sable
in my experience in C++ its not too hard to not screw up
so that means when you eventually do screw up its pretty yikes
hearty notch
some of neuros code is in C# because its the microsoft ecosystem and also has integrations with unity
young plover
I prefer C++ over Rust because I run into the limits of Rust's compile-time metaprogramming, but IMO internalizing the rules that Rust teaches about object lifetimes is necessary for large C++ projects.
hearty notch
if youre writing c# its usually because you need to for some unity integration or youre integrating something microsoft
young plover
I work on a WPF GUI in C#, but native desktop apps are a dying breed 
C++ for embedded firmware and misc. personal projects
olive sable
I prefer C++ over Rust because I run into the limits of Rust's compile-time meta...
idk how the rust rules go so
i jsut try to do RAII where possible
vulkan has some problems with that becuase you need to pass a lot of arguments to the init and destructor functions
young plover
Arguments to destructors?
Haven't touched Vulkan in awhile but I remember avoiding actual graphics pipelines like the plague because it was triple the boilerplate of compute shaders.
The constructors are nice in the C++20 bindings because you can use designated initializers. { .arg1 = ..., .arg2 = ... }
young plover
idk how the rust rules go so <:evilShrug:1131357858101993603>
RAII, controlling access to mutable state, documenting that references returned from functions are tied to a certain object, etc.
olive sable
for example, a 3D model with a texture, you need to pass VkDevice device to the destructor, which means you actually cant use a destructor
the only way to fix that is to keep a copy of VkDevice int he object
but im not sure if i want to do that
young plover
Ah, yeah I think I used the vulkan.hpp bindings, which must store the device with the allocated pointer.
olive sable
im pretty sure VkDevice is also just a pointer
so it woudlnt be too bad to keep it as a class variable
unreal coral
Yo guys
Does anybody know an ai thats able to write code for an Api?
Basically chatgpt but without having to pay 230€ for unlimited use
But i also can't just use a normal code generation one cuz the ai would also need to know how this game's api works :0
unreal coral
Oof so they are all limited in how much you can use them.....
None that work with ads etc?
olive sable
im not sure tbh
glad path
Yo guys
Does anybody know an ai thats able to write code for an Api?
Basically ...
local ones
what os are you
unreal coral
Oof
Maybe i should make smth that just creates new accounts then
unreal coral
So i can just use the free stuff on unlimited accounts
glad path
you can literally use the openai api and aim it at LM studio
glad path
unreal coral
Oof its for pc .-.
glad path
what do you have
unreal coral
Im on mobile >.>
glad path
oh
unreal coral
Android
olive sable
oh
unreal coral
I mean chatgpt works perfectly for what i need
Its just the limit thats screwing me here
And i'm not spending 230€ for unlimited use
glass flower
you get unlimited use normally
there is a limit and then you get put into gpt5-mini, not sure if there is another limit after that
unreal coral
It stops you from talking to chatgpt after a certain amount of prompts i think
Not even mini i think
Unless they changed it
glad path
thats like a lot of prompts
glass flower
oh yeah that one too. if the context grows too big
glad path
oh yeah that one too. if the context grows too big
just use a rolling ctx window smh
glass flower
i got limited once when i wanted to convert c++ to rust code 
glad path
write a readme
opaque sigil
None that work with ads etc?
amp code has a pretty decent free tier with ads
unreal coral
Maybe
Although the idea with the new accounts could be smth no?
olive sable
i think that would get bothersome quickly
glass flower
you could also try to learn the api yourself and write the code instead of relying on AI for it
unreal coral
I did
young plover
i got limited once when i wanted to convert c++ to rust code <a:mhm:132256568083...
rate limited for blasphemy smh
unreal coral
I COULD basically do anything i wanted
I just dont wanna write it all down
Much better to get smth thats 99% done and i just look through it and fix a few mistakes that might be there
glad path
I COULD basically do anything i wanted
then do it
young plover
I've used ChatGPT once
I asked it to translate a python program from Spanish so I could help someone with their homework
It worked mostly
Never touched it again
glad path
lol
olive sable
honestly, i dont like ai generated code
i will ask chatgpt for code on ocassion, but then ill heavily modify it afterwards
young plover
I mostly work on a 30 year old 500k+ line C++ codebase with multiple different stages of modernization
vibe coding simply does not work 
my coworkers have tried
olive sable
i feel like ai code is very middle of the road generic solutions, that dont really get too situation specific enough
hearty notch
i feel like ai code is very middle of the road generic solutions, that dont real...
you just have to be very specific and strict about your constraints
opaque sigil
i have started using copilot's agent mode for refactoring and it's been kinda nice for that (at least simple stuff like adding wrappers and updating call sites with the new api)
hearty notch
the stricter you are the bettr
except you can also be vague sometimes if you want
in terms of like "brush everything up and find optimizations"
but like in terms of designing something you want your prompt super specific
rigid snow
honestly, i dont like ai generated code
i am vibecoding rn and i should not chat here or i'll get banned
there's nothing not bannable to say
it's that bad
hearty notch
what are you trying to build
rigid snow
nvm
hearty notch
ok condolences lol
hearty notch
lmao thats what i thought yea
olive sable
crazy how the thing made to create averages creates averages right
i mean ye ofcourse
young plover
os.path
straight to the gulag
olive sable
it has been decided that input will msot likely be a midi file
olive sable
i wasnt joking
i was very serious about it
we're doing 2 guitars, a bass guitar, and a drum set
olive sable
oh
i don't even remember that
but ye, it seems like midi will be the most compatible
rigid snow
do you have a plan to make it work with how guitar is usually played
olive sable
the plan is to minmax the animations
olive sable
i want it to be organic looking, but not to the point where i have a meltdown trying to program it
so like, if there is a note, im gonan have a single way of how it gets palyed
not like how in irl you only move the fingers you have to move
or whatever the fuck that 2 handed guitar playing was
using midi files should not be too hard 
latent musk
i want it to be organic looking, but not to the point where i have a meltdown tr...
Honestly I'm having an aneurysm just imagining making it look any good and not janky
rigid snow
the hard part isn't the animation it's deriving which fingers to place where and when
i think their comment is about that
latent musk
There are definitely ways but yeah it's making the fingers actually place well if that makes sense
olive sable
i think in terms of the midi -> movement the drums will be the easiest cuz i jsut have to deal with 2 hands and 2 pedals, and the guitars will be a pain in my ass
olive sable
thanks youtube translator...
olive sable
It can be pretty sloppy and still visually look decent
ill have to see
young plover
There are definitely ways but yeah it's making the fingers actually place well i...
hand with 100 fingers along the neck
latent musk
As long as you don't have insane clipping it should be fine
But yeah guitars are a pain
olive sable
from what i can tell, most of the time you wont have 2 fingers on the same row
the frets
i feel like there shouldnt be too many combinations of how the fingers are psoitioned
latent musk
Last time I attempted it I just gave up and said make sure no one will ever see it up close
hollow matrix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkm8BuMc4sQ
Oh hey, I watched that earlier, this guy makes some of the best videos about events like this imo
uneven pulsar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkm8BuMc4sQ
Yo
fast pagoda
when you do a quick dedup on the videos folder after flawlessly executing some quick relocations for spring cleaning
ope accidentally duplicated a few things
hearty notch
I LOVE TOML
uneven pulsar
Server engine is reparing.
Custom feature of ai os
Interface is user main os is ai
uneven pulsar
I LOVE TOML
I like .parquet
hearty notch
what ecosystems does parquet appear in ive never heard of it
hearty notch
ic nice
fast pagoda
large sets will be autoconverted to it when theyre in the datasets viewer tool and such
and training scripts parse it p well
i convert other formats to parquet usually
for datasets only
it's good at io reads
uneven pulsar
I have gigs of data like 193 to 30 gb so I can't manually train doni convert into python into parquetand use it
hearty notch
i like toml for config files and declarative templates for dsl codegen so different worlds lmao
fast pagoda
toml syntax is less panic inducing than yaml so it's got that going for it
i dont like leaning on the indentation that hard
it is spooky invisibru or rainbow but it's not real i cant see it
uneven pulsar
Mee to
fast pagoda
toml has brackets and such that make me feel comfy
hearty notch
yea its comfy to look at
uneven pulsar
( ai training is hard as hell )
I will do fine - tunning
hearty notch
yaml is ok but toml is comfier whne i looka t both
fast pagoda
i should try a random echo training run with the new data i got and then did nothing with a bit ago
uneven pulsar
We make it
I = letter_i
T = letter_t
fast pagoda
t mentioned
hearty notch
e
olive sable
a
uneven pulsar
T
olive sable
bruh
hearty notch
i thought aobut it too ngl
olive sable
uneven pulsar
Weather is clear
olive sable
it shoudl have been "sports"
fast pagoda
kek
im watching baloo and czkawka battle to the death trying to access a spinning hdd at the same time
olive sable
im at the point of game dev where all the youtube videos about graphics are very surface level
and the only other things left are actual talks by gdc or whatever
fast pagoda
now it's time to create the fast inverse sqrt of 2025
olive sable
i feel like with the specialized hardware stuff for math inside modern processors its really not worth it to do that
fast pagoda
it's not
olive sable
90% of rendering performance is dependent on overdraw anywyas
fast pagoda
not for a long time was that actually super relevant
but now since you have ascended
you must craft the fast overdraw gc or something
so someone can circle it in the codebase and go
WTF
olive sable
90% of rendering performance is dependent on overdraw anywyas
or if you're AAA its also dependent on how badly you fuck up. like there was a modern game that re-rendered a lighting mask 4 times per frame
amber fractal
As a wise person once said, culling takes performance as well.
olive sable
you need to strike a balance between culling and just rendering it even if you cant see it
rendering 100 triangles takes maybe 5 nanoseconds, calculating if they're visible will take more like 10
fast pagoda
jensen say
what about rendering 100 triangles, hallucinating 300 for framegen, and culling
add moar fraem & surely input lag disappears
surely
amber fractal
olive sable
its actually insane how battlefront 1 can render at 8K 120fps highest settings on a 5090, and battlefront 2 bartely runs at all
fast pagoda
star wars battlefront (2004) and star wars battlefront II (2005) continue to run fantastically idk what you're on about, some irrelevant game ig
fast pagoda
probably battlefield but i dont care about it so idc
there's been a reboot of sw bf1 and bf2
but they dont exist
olive sable
battlefornt 2 did not release in 2005 did it?
fast pagoda
the first one did yeah
obsidian mantle
I think battlefield2 is old game and battlefield1 is modern
fast pagoda
well the first battlefront II
obsidian mantle
Is this about physix thing? Or how is it called
fast pagoda
and battlefield 2 is an old ass bf game but i thought they just laid a fat turd of a new one or something
fast pagoda
obsidian mantle
I heard some old games dont work properly on 50 series because they removed some physix cores
olive sable
star wars battlefront (2004) and star wars battlefront II (2005) continue to run...
you had to have known i was talking about the 2nd version no?
fast pagoda
lol i did yes and im glad that confused you so much
olive sable
i didnt know there was a first one
fast pagoda
but yeah i don't acknowledge either of those games existing
there is only the first one
i used to be in a clan/guild in the 2005 battlefront II since i played it a ton into the early 2010s called IGF (imperial ground forces)
we greeted each other with S (for salute kek) and had ranks and duties we had to do and shit like it was some stupid barracks simulator or something
i had to play a minimum amount of public lobby games in gamespy servers cuz private server browser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever slop roulette there is now
it's so cringe
was fun thou
olive sable
imagine being old enough to clan a guild in 2005, couldnt be me
fast pagoda
mostly played hero assault and dueled people with infinite DPI on my mouse spinning around w/ vader in mos eisley
this would've been like 2008
the game came out in 2005 tho
idk when i started playing
this was back when xfire was around
olive sable
idk about gameplay wise, but battlefront 1 version 2 looks good and runs fine at 8K from what i can tell in this youtube video
fast pagoda
8k is on a 10 year old game is one way to pretend 8k is a thing
olive sable
oh, my hardware acceleration broke again
fast pagoda
hyprland moment
olive sable
i was wondering why it was stuttering, but 8K on cpu decode is expected to be stutery
olive sable
8k is on a 10 year old game is one way to pretend 8k is a thing
if this was liek an NES game then sure 8K wouldnt look different
fast pagoda
i mean it looks better because it's higher res obviously
olive sable
but since this uses texture mapping and stuff the 8K does add some value
fast pagoda
but nothing runs at 8k that isn't old so it's not real
olive sable
ye buit graphics wise it looks great
so there should be no reason for modern games to not even get half of the performance
fast pagoda
well 10 years of shit bolted on is a lot
olive sable
oh, my hardware acceleration broke again
its the 8K
it works perfectly fine for 4K and below, but 8K isnt supported on vaapi or whatever
oh
youtube jsut removed 8K from the options list for me now
fast pagoda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yibrkmGAKqs this guy seems to have no issues with battlefront II at 8k
on a 5090
olive sable
hmmm
so what was the recent release that ran like shit that was being compared to battlefront?
fast pagoda
im guessing maybe battlefield 6 vs like the previous battlefield 5? is that what you're thinking of?
olive sable
i have no clue
fast pagoda
i was confused because i was like no way for either of these games is it hard for a 5090 at 8k since bfII was 2017 for star wars
fast pagoda
nobody is gonna run 8k battlefield 6
at any reasonable rate
that's expected though, 8k is goofy
fast pagoda
4k is already quite hard to run and still makes nvidia pretend with fake frames on graphs
they are by EA #1 which is already enough
olive sable
oh so microtransactions?
fast pagoda
pride and accomplishment
the most downvoted comment in reddit history
to this day i think
fast pagoda
so that on its own is enough for me to never play but then also they stole the name of 2 already released and well liked games which people had been asking about a sequel to for years (not that i think that would've been anything better or care but if you're not even trying to relate it at all to the old one pick a different name)
permanently tainted search results and the immediate reputation of the older ones cuz now i gotta clarify im not talking about the ea garbage before i get shanked
olive sable
oh lmao, my country spotted jsut below the "pride and accomplishment" section
fast pagoda
yeah you know you done goofed when national governments open an inquiry because of the reddit ama
i still got my downboat on there 
and that ama killed the EACommunityTeam account permanently
lol
fast pagoda
kudos to them for just keeping that shit up though
instead of deleting the entire account
glad path
why is this kind of funny for literally no reason
hearty notch
lol
fast pagoda
the bash version of those boxes that turn themselves off
hearty notch
goodbye 
glad path
"goodbye world" is real though
olive sable
fast pagoda
bet those brainoids they have in labs made of neurons running like 2+2 and random calculations all day wish they could goodbye, world
olive sable
i think that thought requires more neurons than they have