programming

[obsidian mantle]

yeah its clean too

[short ingot]

jkjk

[obsidian mantle]

im safe ( )

[uneven pulsar]

What are u doing with registry editor?

[rigid snow]

this is not the real cline, real cline ext id is saoudrizwan.claude-dev

[obsidian mantle]

im checking it to see if i have something weird in autorun

[hearty osprey]

looks at your pc via VNC you forgot to check a folder

[obsidian mantle]

[uneven pulsar]

Auto run cheak software

[rigid snow]

cheak

[obsidian mantle]

hacker if you are reading this please remove virus from my pc

[rigid snow]

ok

done

[olive sable]

not yet. give me a link

[obsidian mantle]

thanks

[hearty osprey]

what are you doing dude? now you get more

[uneven pulsar]

Auto run was problem so stop in server

[obsidian mantle]

oh no

terminal just opened for a second

[rigid snow]

@olive sable

[opaque sigil]

reading through cuCollections code, hbu

[rigid snow]

The attacker is using a public blockchain - immutable, decentralized, impossible to take down - as their C2 server.
this is fucking cool

[obsidian mantle]

[hearty osprey]

from which perspective?

[rigid snow]

my favorite pastime is figuring out the most genius, cursed and resilient way to do c2

[rigid snow]

ffrom this one

[tender river]

another victory for web3 🔥🔥

[uneven pulsar]

I SET ALL PROCESS ON VIRTUAL MODE

[rigid snow]

uh

[olive sable]

uh

[hearty osprey]

oh so you find it interresting

[rigid snow]

what the fucky

[tender river]

[olive sable]

could you not use slurs please?

i know you censored it but we all know what you meant

[uneven pulsar]

If u know that that good I don't need explanation

[rigid snow]

ok turns out it's actually super simple and just reads tx comments on a certain wallet through a web blockchain scanner

not as cool as i thought

[hearty osprey]

[uneven pulsar]

User : hello
System : hello

User : how is ure day tho
System: hello hello

[obsidian mantle]

can we improve it

[uneven pulsar]

Data was problem

[trim valve]

nowaying I had this hobby too

[hearty osprey]

lets make glassworm v2

[obsidian mantle]

shiro should launch new tournament

[rigid snow]

the setup is it reads the latest transaction for a certain wallet and the comment is stage 2 payload url

[uneven pulsar]

Let gooo

[obsidian mantle]

so we make malware

[hearty osprey]

with the neuro sdk

[obsidian mantle]

the virus with maximum damage wins

[uneven pulsar]

I will use binary swap

App injection

[olive sable]

malware tournament, first person to compromise shiro's vm wins

[uneven pulsar]

VBS MODE REGISTRY EDITOR

[obsidian mantle]

technically we could combine chess tournament and malware tournament

shiro doesnt need to be notified

[olive sable]

oh god

[uneven pulsar]

Hmmm

[short ingot]

who's shiro?

[hearty osprey]

but like this troll chess game: hidden rules when the payloads executes

[uneven pulsar]

Our mod

[short ingot]

ooooh!

[rigid snow]

[short ingot]

happy birthday shiro....?

[uneven pulsar]

We can troll

[rigid snow]

LMAO

[obsidian mantle]

yess that shiro

[short ingot]

I think they told me to say this in #general-network ?

[trim valve]

do I dare ask what would make it cooler?

[rigid snow]

[obsidian mantle]

make it blow up the pc when it gets discovered

[rigid snow]

uhh i'm not sure, somehow putting the payload into the blockchain maybe

[obsidian mantle]

you cant reverse engineer something that blew up

[uneven pulsar]

VBS attack ?

[trim valve]

I mean my first guess would be just reading any transaction instead of a specific one

[uneven pulsar]

Or boot MODIFYING

[short ingot]

how about both?

[rigid snow]

it doesn't read a specific one, it reads the latest one for a specific wallet

[trim valve]

oops

misspoke

[uneven pulsar]

If she has ios then attack is easy for me

[rigid snow]

you can't mutate a transaction on a blockchain

[obsidian mantle]

push transaction that makes virus delete itself to cure the world

[trim valve]

are they reading incoming or outgoing transactions

[rigid snow]

probably not incoming ones

otherwise anyone can override

[obsidian mantle]

yeah

[trim valve]

shrug

you can always sign them

[hearty osprey]

i go back to my comfy channel
bye

[olive sable]

bye

[rigid snow]

too much effort for js malware skids

[olive sable]

no not me

bro has to be an ai

[trim valve]

we need high effort neurocord malware

[rigid snow]

javscirpt

!vanish

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

Bye my friend are call me

[sick owl]

Good nuro nurons

[rigid snow]

no wrong channel

getout

[sick owl]

[rigid snow]

we not nurons we

[tender river]

go away or i reverse your Na+/K+ pump

[olive sable]

every cell in his body would just do osmosis till it ruptures

not healthy

[silent cloak]

skill issue

a true legend would survive

[olive sable]

deadpool could survive probably

you just need to generate cells faster than the rate of osmosis

[tender river]

even if you survive you will have plenty of other problems

[olive sable]

true

your body would be like soup

[rigid snow]

sweating cells

tissue just forms

and falls off

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

they need more cardio

[rigid snow]

at that point just put weights onto your heart

can't hurt much more

[olive sable]

what if we stopped here?

[olive sable]

AI generated

[silent cloak]

na its real trust me

trust in the kindness of the internet

[olive sable]

it says ai generated on the video i meant

[rigid snow]

i saw wityh my own eyes i can confirtnm itds real

[olive sable]

confirtnm

[rigid snow]

why does it sound like a bee swarm and a helicopter layered together lmao

[olive sable]

its mixing helicopter and drone

[rigid snow]

that is insect noise

no dronme

[olive sable]

what you hear as bee to me sounds as drone

idk

[rigid snow]

slow ass drone

[silent cloak]

I want art of neuro in that video

flying with the drone helmet up to the door camera

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/inspirational-peace-historicvoices-be-the-change-be-the-change-you-wish-to-see-in-this-world-gif-27454024

[rigid snow]

helmet

[silent cloak]

frogcopter

[rigid snow]

frogsmogter

[olive sable]

🚁

[shadow sinew]

wtf is this real?

[proud ivy]

She's cute.

[proud ivy]

[olive sable]

?

[rigid snow]

[visual oar]

does anyone know how to test how good an encryption algorithm is?

[rigid snow]

as far as i understand the answer pretty much is “ask smarter people”

[obsidian mantle]

throw it here and see if we can decrypt it

or send it to arg forum

[sage crag]

depends what you are encrypting

[visual oar]

just words

this is what it put out for "hello my name is" : [39, 122, 39, 104, 39, 115, 128, 116, 111, 115, 117, 108, 108, 116, 118, 112]

'z'h's\x80tosulltvp in ascii

[rigid snow]

are these bytes or

oh i’m stupid ye

[sage crag]

is this just a modulus and then indexing into the alphabet

[visual oar]

no it isnt

[tender river]

its a bad encryption algorithm either way

[visual oar]

why?

[tender river]

the entropy is close to zero

[sage crag]

its symmetric

yes

most of the codes are the same region and 39 is repeated often

you could decrypt large messages with probabilistic methods

[visual oar]

yeah thats true i think it does the same stuff to all of the bytes

ok thanks

[obsidian mantle]

what does this line mean

[sage crag]

wrrr

[visual oar]

thats the bytes in ascii

[rigid snow]

sffdhdjfjkdjd

[visual oar]

or thats what deep seek said it was

[obsidian mantle]

i dont get it

hello

hel

turns into

'z'

h=l?

[sage crag]

its not a linear cipher

dont try it like that

[visual oar]

the algorithm gets a message in this case "hello my name is" and it turns it into an integer array before encrypting it

[visual oar]

would it be better if i encrypted each byte then the whole?

[sage crag]

is this xor-ing with a key

perchance

the entropy is so low its gotta be some simple operation

[obsidian mantle]

but how do you decrypt it without a key

[visual oar]

no its not xor

[obsidian mantle]

if it was xoring with a key

[sage crag]

produce the key

obviously

[visual oar]

the hope is that you couldn't

[obsidian mantle]

bruteforce xor keys until you get same result? but what if you dont know it was "hello my name is"

[sage crag]

why would you bruteforce when you can use probabilistic methods

lol

[tender river]

no

[sage crag]

just do standard letter distributions until you find something

[visual oar]

why not?

[sage crag]

its a 1-to-1 mapping of chars to output numberse

and the values are in a small range

wrrr

[tender river]

because the encrypted data should be indistinguishable from random data

[obsidian mantle]

so you bruteforce but with probabalistic approach

[tender river]

if it isnt, that typically means the encryption is bad

[sage crag]

you arent bruteforcing if you are using a probibilistc approach

[obsidian mantle]

but you cant calculate it right away anyway so you have to like uuh

what is the equivalent of bruteforce which is not bruteforce

[sage crag]

...

[obsidian mantle]

slight bruteforce

[sage crag]

...

[clear sedge]

regular force

[obsidian mantle]

regular force?

[clear sedge]

very technical term

[obsidian mantle]

so i take probabilities of letters

and then what

its still
h=l

[sage crag]

...

[obsidian mantle]

lets say h is 1% chance

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

your genius is leaving konii speechless

[sage crag]

im not going to sit here and watch you blunder your way through this

go watch an encryption video

[obsidian mantle]

so i have some "number" in the encrypted data which has 1% distribution

[visual oar]

this is not a caesar cipher

[obsidian mantle]

i can assume its h

[sage crag]

doesnt matter

method works with any kind of linear transformation

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

its much harder if you have a key that changes over the full data

[sage crag]

btw can you encrypt this phrase please
"abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"

[clear sedge]

2

you're welcome

[olive sable]

2

[sage crag]

using the same key as before if you used a key

if you dont mind

[obsidian mantle]

probabilistic decipher gives 9999 ai-related videos on youtube

[clear sedge]

uhhhhh

3

[sage crag]

not you bozo

[clear sedge]

[visual oar]

ok so a problem with the algorithm is the fact that it can only take up to 16 characters (im working on it) i also dont know what the key was on the last one (again working on it)

[sage crag]

vibe coded encryption

[visual oar]

i can set it to a specific key and then redo them both tho

[sage crag]

wrr

[visual oar]

no im just very new to this

[obsidian mantle]

so probabilistic method involves neural networks?

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/jeong43va-gif-26093523

[obsidian mantle]

its literally only thing you find if you google it

try it

maybe you watched that youtube video before ai boom its not there anymore

[uneven pulsar]

I'm back

Ai is booming but soon ai trending will die like WWW
Bubble

Long time at end soon

[obsidian mantle]

is this absolutely wrong path or no

because that is what i imagine when i hear "probabilistic"

[sage crag]

go read a cybersecurity textbook or something

[olive sable]

i have no clue what this ecryption stuff is yall are talking about

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064126425352912916/1189261767952564276/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

dont worry

no one does

[opaque sigil]

Encryption is cringe

Let's abolish

Wasted cycles

[sage crag]

replace encryption with compression

dont need encryption

compress everything

[opaque sigil]

[proud ivy]

Zed (editor) on Windows is finally released.

[sage crag]

zzzzed

[olive sable]

ifi compress in a way nobody understands, then it might as well be encryption

[sage crag]

zzzzzzed

zzzzzzzzzzed

[visual oar]

ok so a to p is [2020, 2140, 2040, 2200, 1940, 1980, 2060, 2080, 2100, 2120, 1960, 2160, 2180, 2000, 2220, 2240]
and q to z is [2340, 0, 2360, 0, 2260, 2300, 2380, 2400, 2420, 2440, 2280, 0, 0, 2320, 0, 0]
and "hello my name is" is [2220, 1940, 640, 640, 2080, 2160, 2180, 2420, 640, 2200, 2020, 2180, 2020, 2160, 2100, 2300]
this is all using the same key

[maiden geyser]

people must invent better xor cipher

[obsidian mantle]

this doesnt look random at all

[sage crag]

✅

thats because it isnt

[opaque sigil]

I mean it could be

[sage crag]

is it likely though

encryption is all about probability

[obsidian mantle]

how to make it non linear

1. changing key

[opaque sigil]

wdym

[sage crag]

linearity doesnt have anything to do with entropy technically

at least for where every char of a message is different

[obsidian mantle]

ok how to make it more entropic

[sage crag]

write a better algorithm

obviously

[opaque sigil]

When in doubt hash

[sage crag]

ye

[final tinsel]

Encryption is pain, and most companies/programmers suck at it (source: working on project where encryption is important with a person who has worked in the industry and all the standard practices for this type of project were insecure 15 years ago let alone nowadays)

[obsidian mantle]

ceasar method is useless in this since it doesnt do anything to entropy i guess?

[olive sable]

waht happens if you use the last message as the new key

[visual oar]

ok so could i use the encryption algorithm ive made to encrypt each byte each time with a different key then ig mix up the bytes?

[sage crag]

no, caesar method is useless because its not a caesar cipher

[obsidian mantle]

i meant cipher

[sage crag]

???????

[obsidian mantle]

what

[visual oar]

[520, 505, 160, 555, 550, 540, 575, 525, 505, 545, 485, 160, 160, 545, 605, 540] you get this

[obsidian mantle]

i meant caesar cipher method

is it not a valid english sentence

[opaque sigil]

Nothing wrong with that as long as you have a proper random key at the start

[olive sable]

On Cracker Island it will die

[opaque sigil]

Oh

[visual oar]

ok so the main take away is "just be better"

[opaque sigil]

Don't roll your own encryption

As simple as that

[visual oar]

yeah but i need to for a project

[sage crag]

the main takeaway is dont write your own encryption yes

implement an existing one

rrr

[obsidian mantle]

but if the key is random how do you decrypt it

you must give the key to both sides

i know this is how https work right?

[opaque sigil]

Yes

[olive sable]

yes

[visual oar]

i randomly generate the key then send it to the other side

[tender river]

have bad encryption then derive key from ciphertext

[olive sable]

that is the thing that gets stored in your cookies when you do "remember this browser" iirc?

[sage crag]

buh

[obsidian mantle]

honestly this whole https key exchange seems so stupid because you need someone you trust

[sage crag]

i hope none of you ever submit a pull request to openssl

[visual oar]

thats what ive slightly tried to do

[opaque sigil]

look up ecdh

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

but it kinda works

[tender river]

ye me implement hblang ssl instead

[opaque sigil]

Or I guess diffie hellman in general

[olive sable]

im not planning to lmao

[tender river]

[sage crag]

ok now can you encrypt this with the same key
"frogsmog"

[visual oar]

[510, 570, 545, 575, 0, 555, 0, 0, 0, 555, 0, 0, 0, 0, 515, 515]

oh wait

[sage crag]

that was the same key as before?

[visual oar]

wrong key

[sage crag]

i can tell it wasnt

[olive sable]

an authentication token that acts as a "key" close enough

[tender river]

i love jwts

[obsidian mantle]

not related to cookies i think

[visual oar]

[2300, 0, 2180, 0, 2040, 2220, 2220, 2060, 0, 0, 2280, 0, 0, 2060, 0, 0]

[opaque sigil]

i forget, do browsers use one tls key per connection or message

[obsidian mantle]

why are there so many 0s

[tender river]

store server authenticated data client side and it actually works

[sage crag]

funny

[tender river]

wdym "message"

[visual oar]

bc its bad

[opaque sigil]

an http message

wait no

i'm stupid that makes no sense

it has to be per connection

[visual oar]

what?

[sage crag]

yeah i have your algorithm

[tender river]

note that quic has rolling keys iirc

[olive sable]

doesn't it get saved in cookies?
i thought cookies were just files with browser saves

[visual oar]

what is it?

[opaque sigil]

quic is cool but i'm too stupid to understand how it works

[obsidian mantle]

you just made it type what he said

[opaque sigil]

i think i just found my favourite function in the cuda runtime api huh

cudaOccupancyMaxActiveBlocksPerMultiprocessor

[obsidian mantle]

cout << "[2300, 0, 2180, 0, 2040, 2220, 2220, 2060, 0, 0, 2280, 0, 0, 2060, 0, 0]"

[sage crag]

lets prove this quickly first

i want to do another check

[tender river]

https://quic.xargs.org/

[visual oar]

ok

[sage crag]

"sailcross" with the same key and i'll send it first

also the same scale

[tender river]

i really like this part

[sage crag]

oops i broke something

give me a second

[opaque sigil]

that site seems interesting

[visual oar]

[1980, 0, 2280, 0, 2300, 2100, 2220, 2300, 2300, 0, 1940, 0, 0, 2160, 0, 0] same key

[opaque sigil]

i shall read, sick of nvidia's stupid code

[sage crag]

no you have to let me send it first

[visual oar]

oh ok

[sage crag]

ok uhhh

[obsidian mantle]

you are both pink it proves nothing

[sage crag]

pick a 16 character phrase

"neuro-sama" and pad it, sure

[2220, 0, 900, 0, 2200, 2340, 2300, 1940, 2180, 1940, 2020, 0, 0, 2280, 0, 0]
is it

[tender river]

most of quic's complexity is tls but there's a bit of additional complexity involved in roaming and multiplexing

[obsidian mantle]

but how do you decrypt

[visual oar]

Watch the sunset

[visual oar]

with the key

[sage crag]

[2080, 2300, 640, 2300, 1740, 2320, 2320, 2080, 2020, 640, 1940, 2340, 2200, 1980, 2020, 2320]

[visual oar]

bro what

yeah that right

[obsidian mantle]

konii knows everything

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

except windows

[sage crag]

perm = [4, 10, 5, 13, 0, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1, 11, 12, 3, 14, 15]
scale = 20

def encrypt(p: str):
    return [scale * ord(p[i]) for i in perm]

[obsidian mantle]

???

where key

its just *20?

[tender river]

if you want actual security you should read a cryptography book

[obsidian mantle]

or 20 is key

[tender river]

(or, use an existing algorithm)

[fast pagoda]

i stared into the voice

[obsidian mantle]

oh wait perm is there too

[fast pagoda]

void even

[obsidian mantle]

is it an actual book that is called like that or you mean any book

[visual oar]

ok let me try something.

[fast pagoda]

tfw looked at pipewire

[tender river]

"a"

[obsidian mantle]

oh right

[sage crag]

nop im done

[visual oar]

fairs

[obsidian mantle]

how did you do it

[sage crag]

guessed

[obsidian mantle]

you found this by 3 input messages?

[tender river]

its not that hard

[visual oar]

thanks tho

[sage crag]

i guessed the algorithm that they would be using and i knew the key was 16 chars

and that it was consistent

then i knew there was a base or scale value because the entropy was so low

and then from there its just a guess and check game

[visual oar]

ill try to make it better

[sage crag]

anyway got to go now

[olive sable]

[obsidian mantle]

did you really know all that by just reading one book

[sage crag]

no i never took cybersecurity

[tender river]

you dont need books for that much

[fast pagoda]

maybe more than 1

[sage crag]

[tender river]

you need books for making ciphers

[visual oar]

[tender river]

for cracking ciphers you typically need less knowledge

[sage crag]

rrr

me go

bye

[obsidian mantle]

i look at it and cant get whats happening in the algorithm

it multiplies by 20, i times?

so first letter is multiplied 4 times

2nd letter 10 times

17th letter 4 times again

or what

[opaque sigil]

the input is shuffled and scaled

[obsidian mantle]

for i in perm what does it mean

if perm is 4

i goes 1,2,3,4

or

so it takes 4th letter, multiplies it by 20 4 times

ooh

right?

then takes 10th

what happens when i dont have 10 letters

crash?

[visual oar]

ok so i just realised that i have no way to set the key in the algorithm so it only went through the thing once when it should to do it 12 times with different shifts.

im gonna go try to get better at this

[opaque sigil]

not 4 times, 1 time

[obsidian mantle]

sailcross is 9 letters

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

[10] letter doesnt exist

[sage crag]

yes i padded it with zeroes until 16

[obsidian mantle]

oh thats where 0s come from

is this the "probabilistic method"?

i thought you would actually calculate something rather than just guess

[opaque sigil]

there is nothing probabilistic about this

there's no randomness

[sage crag]

no, i was told it only worked with messages of 16 characters

so i just

yeah

[pliant palm]

yo chat

hiya how youse doing

[opaque sigil]

only thing that would need some guessing is figuring out the specific permutation

which there are a good amount of for 16 but most of them are also unrealistic so you can throw them out immediately

[obsidian mantle]

what is the "key" in this algorithm?
20, perm array or both?

[opaque sigil]

both, though perm is more important i guess

the idea is that you can have a public algorithm that is well understood but without having the actual random key the output is useless to you

statistically indistinguishable from noise

[obsidian mantle]

if i have a system that uses some kind of cipher

2 devices

i have compiled program on both devices

how do they hide the encryption method

or do they not hide it

[sage crag]

obfuscation

https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator

one example

or just make it good enough that you dont need to hide the encryption algorithm

just the key

[olive sable]

konii back? you lied about leaving

[opaque sigil]

if the algorithm cannot be public knowledge your encryption scheme is trash and you should not use it

[obsidian mantle]

wtf

[fast pagoda]

that happens every time konii leaves

[opaque sigil]

security through obscurity does not work

[fast pagoda]

and she gets roasted for it every time too

[olive sable]

its jsut funny to me to see her say bye and then pop up 2 min later

i do the same when saying "goodnight" tho cuz im bad at sleeping

[fast pagoda]

well she says night for 7 hours first yeah lol

[olive sable]

cold take

photoshop absolutely sucks

[fast pagoda]

anything is better than gimp in terms of ux

i actually have started to not have issues with gimp finally just out of begrudgingly using it, who knew you could get used to things and then it's not so ass

[olive sable]

theyre both pretty much unusable to me

so eh

[fast pagoda]

yeah i'd agree they are both in a similar category of bad

you basically just have to know where everything is

if you don't, it's over until you do

both of them suffer from momentum on that though because people will get pissed

if it changes

[stark needle]

when gemini 3 release 😭

[fast pagoda]

since theyve used it for 25 years

[fast pagoda]

ive been waiting for this to show up on my rss

i cant believe it's still in ??? status

[stark needle]

yea

[fast pagoda]

they must've llama 4 fumbled or something

[stark needle]

i need gemini 3

[fast pagoda]

maybe they somehow made it even clumsier at tool calling

and tha's not gonna fly i dont think

[stark needle]

i feel like gemini 3 will be built for robotics

[stray dragon]

i love how just a bit of this repo is written in brainfuck for some reason

[fast pagoda]

not with how good claude always has been and codex is at navigating like a big boy

[stark needle]

i am not gonna use gpt5

i hate openai

[fast pagoda]

fair

[stark needle]

so i need google alternative to next gen

[fast pagoda]

maybe theyre waiting for z.ai to somehow release glm 5 before they can cough up gemini 3

[stark needle]

maybe at 19:00

iirc that was when gemini 2.5 released

[obsidian mantle]

wtf

[fast pagoda]

the code is very human

[final tinsel]

Is that BF?

[obsidian mantle]

8 operators and thats it

or are they called commands

i feel like i googled what is an operator 50 times and i still cant remember it

[maiden geyser]

what if it's just so good it should stay a commercial secret

like photo DNA

[uneven pulsar]

brainfuck is a troll language but the one language thats unironically bad is just assembly.

[final tinsel]

Oh I know what BF is

[maiden geyser]

asm isn't bad

you're just a tourist who got filtered

[uneven pulsar]

i think it is tho

compared to something like ruby

[obsidian mantle]

its only good for simple shit or time critical shit

[maiden geyser]

"asm is bad compared to scratch"

[obsidian mantle]

when you dont want to rely on compiler to build perfect code

[uneven pulsar]

scratch was made for toddlers making games.

not assembly tho. for a language thats used everywhere, assembly is pretty hard to master

[maiden geyser]

you aren't supposed to master it, but read it

[uneven pulsar]

yeah but for someone that wants to go terry a davis mode, writing might be necessary ngl

[opaque sigil]

why is there an and in my c++

[clear sedge]

wait 'til you hear about iso646.h

[hard raptor]

When you convert JS Maps to yaml

[olive sable]

i copied some code form python once and forgot to change an "or" to ||. i was so confused when i saw it and it still worked

[opaque sigil]

TIL, good to know

[olive sable]

apparently its allowed, i disapprove of it tho

[hard raptor]

I'm writing a multi table key val store btw

[maiden geyser]

why not close our eyes and pretend it doesn't exist so it goes away?

[obsidian mantle]

"this is a string" sounds like you are telling the compiler what it is

[opaque sigil]

thanks copilot, very useful

[obsidian mantle]

do i watch videos or read articles or literally code something

idk what i want to investigate first

probably ai

because its a new topic and there are not many people who have been doing it for 10s of years

and i might have a chance

[clear sedge]

ai sucks at new topics

[obsidian mantle]

no i mean im not going to use ai for coding

i'll study neural networks and shit

maybe make some shit ai

[clear sedge]

[obsidian mantle]

im usually tired after work but i certainly can do 3-4 hours a day

maybe it will bring me somewhere in couple of years

maybe not

thats scariest part

its so hard to do something while knowing it might be pointless

gambling but with life

its certainly better than not doing anything at all

[maiden geyser]

it all will be .com crisis 2 soon🙏

[obsidian mantle]

the ai?

[olive stag]

Depends on the reason, if it's for enjoyment = not a waste

If you expect roi that's different

[dry orbit]

is this a good place to ask for help with coding problems

[olive sable]

yes

kinda

dont expect us to do the bugfixing for you

[olive stag]

Ask away, maybe can help, maybe not

[dry orbit]

im working on a simple python program to get my twitch chat messages for a tts i created a bot account set up the credentials and it says its connect but im not geting any messages

[rigid snow]

you know you don't need a bot account for that

do you

[dry orbit]

i know but when it didnt work with my account i created a bot one thinking maybe that would fix it

[rigid snow]

yeah no that's not it

[olive sable]

https://dev.twitch.tv/docs/chat/send-receive-messages/
i think this is what you need?

[dry orbit]

yes this is helpful

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

if you just want to receive messages and not send anything you don't even need a user, you can use the anonymous credentials

you can open any Twitch channel while not logged in and check for WebSocket connections in DevTools

it's basically IRC

[dry orbit]

interesting

[dry orbit]

just checked it out and yeah I think im going to just use websockets thank you

[silent cloak]

i wish you luck

twitch api is terrible terrible terrible

[dry orbit]

yeah im slowely learning that

[olive sable]

damn thats crazy, the 3090 can do 152% more than this laptop gpu in doom?

[patent shard]

252% the frame rate, yeah

[olive sable]

i have a sneaky suspicion its a bit more

jsut a small difference of up to 2000%

apparently the google ai used a youtube video about a completely different gpu as a source or something

i think rx 6600

[patent shard]

[rigid snow]

guys look

cute emoji

[olive sable]

looking

[patent shard]

I was probably thinking of the Ryzen 9 365
Even then, 3090 is a lot more than 2.5x

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

is this intentional ?

[rigid snow]

@sage crag is this intentional

[olive sable]

on phone it seems to just be blank

[sage crag]

machination

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

when i read duran duran i just think of metal gear solid

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-metal-gear-solid-phantom-pain-venom-snake-gif-5631901306578330322

[sage crag]

it almost like

it named that way for a reason

no

not posible

[rigid snow]

as far as we kmow there isd not reason

konii

it blank

[sage crag]

noted

[olive sable]

if it is a reference i dont get it

i havent played metal gear solid

[sage crag]

how do you know the band and not the song that the band is related to metal gear by

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=NRtnUVaRwXM

[rigid snow]

OH

[olive sable]

because that song is not in metal gear solid

oooh

oooooh

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

ooooooooooh

[patent shard]

Oh, right, there's an even higher version
I think the ryzen 9 385 might be close to 3090 just being 2.5x faster

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

you're still on that?

[olive sable]

look, i am stupid

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

NeuroCatUUH

[olive sable]

i did know the song and that its connected to mgs via that

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

i did not get the joke tho

[sage crag]

wrrr

[olive sable]

everytime you type things like "wrrrr" i imagine you saying that out loud and i find it hilarious

[rigid snow]

konii 3.0l diesel ebngine

[olive sable]

diesel engine powered television

https://tenor.com/view/2jz-jdm-toyota-supra-toyota-supra-gif-10222632991408225293

[rigid snow]

wait if she tv is "wrrr" ground hum

if she connected to power grid

[olive sable]

might be

idk

[rigid snow]

50hz

wrrr

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

hi iggly

[amber fractal]

hi Sam

[final tinsel]

NN has devolved into math

[olive sable]

it has always been math

[final tinsel]

(partially because of me :mischief:)

[amber fractal]

Spying on other displays on the network due to bad power isolation

[sage crag]

https://gridwatch.co.uk/frequency
me

only 49.88 Hz at moment

[sage crag]

wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

📣 wrrrrr

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

ngl i was expecting audio and got dissapointed

[obsidian mantle]

how crucial is vram for ai training

[olive sable]

decently crucial

[obsidian mantle]

is it becoming hard cap on maximum parameters you can use

because you need it all to be in vram

[olive sable]

you could technically have it overflow into ram an use ram

but thats a lot slower

[obsidian mantle]

why cant we divide the process in parts

because all nodes between layers are connected and they must be all present at least mid-layers?

im probably speaking nonsense again better to study a little before speculating

[rigid snow]

just plug headphones into power outlet to get audio

ez

[olive sable]

they're bluetooth

[rigid snow]

power outlet not bluetooth

[olive sable]

headphone are

mine

[rigid snow]

don’t actually do that btw

just in case

someone actually thinks it’s a good idea

[nocturne olive]

It's priority number 1

[nocturne olive]

It's possible to increase batch size using gradient accumulation but you do need to be able to store the model

Gradient accumulation also makes the training wayyyy slower

[crimson cedar]

hi guys

[olive sable]

hi

[crimson cedar]

I am new to programming

are there any resources you can recommend for me

[olive sable]

[crimson cedar]

oh sry guys

[crimson cedar]

im new at server :d

[olive sable]

no worries

[amber fractal]

🥈

[olive sable]

you're far form the first or last person to ask for this

[crimson cedar]

youre probably right

[olive sable]

Imma eep

Goodnight

[gritty dust]

gn

[sick owl]

Another model fails the Myth test, classic

When a model I can run locally succeeds with this question I will consider it ASI and worship it like a god

[hollow matrix]

neuroWaiting

Disk corrupted attempt 2

Nope, still fucked, remaking the vm

Surely it will work this time

Onto this part now

[hollow matrix]

Yeah, I don't think this is going to work

[sick owl]

om

[hollow matrix]

om <--- sacred

Why can't I do this in modern windows? I want my desktop to look like this

[trim valve]

you can can't you?

just uncheck the box that's like "align desktop items to grid"

I know it was a thing on 10 at the very least

[hollow matrix]

Oh shit

[thorn ledge]

that one works for a while but always seems to reset to something completely misaligned after a few restarts or updates

[manic jacinth]

https://samim.io/p/2025-01-18-vortextnet/

[uneven pulsar]

One tap to use multiple apps

[hollow matrix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340930691017211935/1340930691843624960/Neurocord_welcome_v3.gif

[silent cloak]

microsoft devs

[sick owl]

Ran some tests on different browsers anti fingerprinting measures

Wow is Brave robust

Like seriously, impressively hard to track

It outperformed even hardened Firefox

[uneven pulsar]

My code is soo efficient

Now build reduce and upgrade =>

phone build (android) => ( transform layer = float8 to Float4 )

Pc => float32 to double (gpu build) (Google COLAB)

Cpu build (float32 to float16) (local server)

Console I don't know how Console works?

Still Alpha

Phase

[sick owl]

Damn, Seed OSS 36B coming out here with a legitimately good example in its answer

Not bad for a Q4_K_XL quantized model that fits on my GPU

[sick owl]

I suspect the fact its a dense model helps with that sort of trivial knowledge on top of making it more resistant to degradation from quanting

[sick owl]

Still has a bad time with the seahorse emoji test though lmao

[glad path]

"seahorse emoji test" lmfao

[uneven pulsar]

Some one copy the emoji

Seahorse is very weirded one

Show in system
But crash in app

PNG CRASH
SVG CRASH

Something wrong format

GET =
{ UT CODE CANNOT FOUND

[prime ridge]

Why am I suprised... this is #programming afterall

[hollow matrix]

[prime ridge]

I never used windows as a kid so I never experienced windows Me but I did experience what Linux was like back in the early 2000s

and hollllly moly it was something

[hollow matrix]

I just installed ME in a vm bc I was bored

[prime ridge]

Windows 2000 was nice

Me was... 🗿

[hollow matrix]

Also, you only have 1 really low screen resolution, so if you set the font to be high quality nothing is on screen anymore

[prime ridge]

Wait how

Wait how

Wait how

Wait how

wtf my discord is cooked

[hollow matrix]

[cobalt sigil]

How much ram you got

[hollow matrix]

16GB

[prime ridge]

Turns out training an LLM on CPU on a 2013 laptop isn't so baller for the CPU

I sense an ML lad in chat

[hollow matrix]

But there are background processes I can't see that are using most

[fast pagoda]

me attempting to finetune SDXL on my gtx 1660ti in laptop when i was in japan

didnt work all that well

at all really

im not sure it ever successfully finished a run lule

poor thing

[hollow matrix]

brb

[prime ridge]

I tried to finetune a model on a gtx 1650

3.5gb vram

[fast pagoda]

linux time

[fast pagoda]

oof, i think that 1660ti has 6gb that was horrible

3.5 is no vram

i i just kinda passively use 3gb

[prime ridge]

u don't even know what I put my 1650 through

like omfg

[fast pagoda]

it sounds like the 1660 and your 1650 have some solidarity lmao

[prime ridge]

I never felt bad for metal before

[fast pagoda]

that poor thing was never designed for the magnitude of hot air

coming out the back

[prime ridge]

but I trained a ~70m model with 2048 ctx for 2 weeks nonstop on my gpu

[fast pagoda]

kek

[glad path]

there's no official unicode seahorse emoji

[fast pagoda]

70m how much vram does that need it cant be too bad, i have never tried to train something that smal

[prime ridge]

70m is big for training

because optimizer weight overhead

storing gradients is the issue

[glad path]

wait

did they just

[prime ridge]

I think like half the vram was just the gradients alone

[glad path]

MODDSSS SOMEONE FOUND THE SEAHORSE EMOJI :NOWAYING:

[prime ridge]

come to think of it, maybe it would be a better idea to train the model on my intel ultra 7 265k instead of my intel i3 3rd gen 😂

2012 cpu

[fast pagoda]

i still cant see it being more 2gb but i guess with 3.5gb total vram you're in suffering zone inherently when you boot anyways

it might not be too horrible with my 6gb 1660 but yeah 3.5 is just brutal

[hollow matrix]

Is this much vram use normal?

[prime ridge]

show nvidia-smi

what is this gui bro

[fast pagoda]

yeah i cant find the vram LMAO

[prime ridge]

I think far right

[fast pagoda]

ive used procexp

[prime ridge]

but what is this formatting

[fast pagoda]

yeah idk i aint fconverting 62745 digits

3 gazillion k ???? units

[prime ridge]

instead of asking ur current distro... ima ask... what was ur first distro?

[fast pagoda]

oh the number on the right

is the virtual mem size

which is always yuge

64 bit processes can have like hundreds of gigs or more of virtual space reserved for funzies

[fast pagoda]

first distro was

ubuntu in like 2014

hated it

[hollow matrix]

I'm going to restart my laptop, this is like the speed of the windows ME vm I was using earlier

[fast pagoda]

that process explorer screenshot does NOT have vram displayed btw

[prime ridge]

Damn, I was on mint in 2015

I was 8 years old 😂

[fast pagoda]

i didnt continue using it for long, i went back to winblows

[prime ridge]

been using it ever since

well not mint but linux

[hollow matrix]

Whatever it's called on far right I'm tired

[fast pagoda]

that's virtual address space

it's always giant

[prime ridge]

that's not VIDEO ram

[fast pagoda]

nothing to worry about

[prime ridge]

VIRTUAL ram

not the same

[fast pagoda]

yep v is for vendetta and virtual

[hollow matrix]

I thought vram stood for virtual ram

[fast pagoda]

video

lol

[prime ridge]

lol

[fast pagoda]

silly

im superbox now

[prime ridge]

fair assumption tho

[hollow matrix]

Anyway brb restarting

[fast pagoda]

when i came back it was cachy first because cachy intrigued me

then instantly distrohopping for like 3 months

[prime ridge]

when did u come back?

[fast pagoda]

earlier this year lmao

[prime ridge]

oh damn

[fast pagoda]

i was using WSL for any linux needing thing

i had arch in wsl lmfao

[prime ridge]

Thankfully I been using Linux all my life so everything on it is 100x easier

I haven't had almost any bad experiences in all my 10 years

[fast pagoda]

i am used to both and i dont even notice switching, i still have to use windows for my work laptop because i dont own it

[prime ridge]

and I use it for very specific and complex tasks

[fast pagoda]

altho it do be booting a ventoy on ocasion 👀

[prime ridge]

yeah fair enough

ventoy is amazing

[hollow matrix]

Ok I'm back

[prime ridge]

Also I swear why does everybody have a 1660

like everybody who mentions their gpu always has a 1660 I swear

[fast pagoda]

my ventoy is a rotating box

[glad path]

i dont have a 1660

[fast pagoda]

but this is some of the shit ive tried in the last 3-4 months

[prime ridge]

holy

u do NOT need that many distros

[fast pagoda]

i try everything

[prime ridge]

they all the same with different DEs and wallpapers 😭

[fast pagoda]

yeah i just wanted to find like

inspiration i guess

[hollow matrix]

Why can't I screenshot notifications They go on top of the screenshot so I can't show how onedrive is being a broken fucking piece of shit again

[prime ridge]

u can just change them manually instead of using a whole new OS

[fast pagoda]

i used most of these only on the live usb

they were not installed

lol

[prime ridge]

just hit Fn + PrintScr

[fast pagoda]

i just wanted to try some of each one to see what a default that didnt feel like shit was if i was lazy

[prime ridge]

and crop

Well besides firefox the only app I use is the terminal anyway

[fast pagoda]

this is the real distro anyways

[prime ridge]

so I don't even use a desktop environment

just run arch + openbox

[fast pagoda]

i love openbox

[hollow matrix]

You mean Windows + prt sc

[fast pagoda]

honestly really like openbox

[prime ridge]

nah fn

[fast pagoda]

the only reason i'm not using openbox atm is because i also like kde

[hollow matrix]

Why is all software just ads now

[prime ridge]

ew

ads

[fast pagoda]

what is sending all that

time to uninstall the entire os

[hollow matrix]

Epic games

[fast pagoda]

oh

[prime ridge]

oh hellll nah

[fast pagoda]

well yeah if you install malware

that happens

just use hero launcher or lutris or something

[hollow matrix]

It was for unreal engine ok

[prime ridge]

I still remember when I was like 9 or something trying to downlod malware on linux mint but not knowing how to run .exe files on linux lmao

[fast pagoda]

kek

[prime ridge]

it was some random PDF converter that I clicked cuz it was a big green button 🗿

[fast pagoda]

this is the only reason i've installed epic in the past so i sympathize

[hollow matrix]

(It turns out I'm not good with unreal engine and no longer need to have it installed, so I'll actually remove it now)

[fast pagoda]

almost mindlessly installed some adware ff addon from one of these today while looking through library records, i they got me

[prime ridge]

ur computer will thank you

[fast pagoda]

but then i caught it because ff was like "yo dawg would you like <useless shitty addon> to change your search provider and scrape all ur info bro?"

[prime ridge]

holy. This hurts my head

I try to keep my computer as minimal as possible

[fast pagoda]

why no ram
8797898 process in background

[hollow matrix]

smh netscape running bloatware in the background

[fast pagoda]

you should prevent those from auto launching

check your autostart

you're having your entire (very smol) ram amount eaten by shit running when you're not using it likely

[prime ridge]

I am literally running a scientific computing program, firefox, discord, and a music player and only using 4gb out of 16

[hollow matrix]

What is the scientific computing program?

[fast pagoda]

baloo needs to hurry up wand finish its fucking index

[prime ridge]

Concept bottleneck abstract syntax tree for LLMs

100% cpu

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-thinking-thinking-cap-spongebob-meme-gif-22755049

[prime ridge]

holy ram

[hollow matrix]

I have RAM problems but have never gone past 10% CPU use

[prime ridge]

I mean I am literally training an LLM

on cpu

[hollow matrix]

fair

[fast pagoda]

i have about 45 vivaldi tabs open and one of them is youtube

[hollow matrix]

Are you trying to make a clone of Neuro

[prime ridge]

why so much ram holy

[fast pagoda]

i regret nothing more than not having 192 rn

[prime ridge]

🗿

[fast pagoda]

but i already had 64gb when my other cpu died

of ddr5

so i just bought another pack

[prime ridge]

Just for uni research sadly

[fast pagoda]

and it was 50% more than when i boguht the first one in jan

thinking i was imminently upgrading then

but then i didnt

[prime ridge]

bro u do not need this much ram

especially with that much swap

why do u even have swap atp

[fast pagoda]

yeah i did not mean to config swap ngl

i saw that and i was like

well i guess i can try running like deepseek lmfao

see if it runs slower than ever in history

[hollow matrix]

I love it when the stuff microsoft forces on you is the worst offender

[fast pagoda]

half on swap

[prime ridge]

ewwww 🤢

u gotta delete that

[fast pagoda]

this shit never ran on my windows build, it was smitten INSTANTLY

[prime ridge]

mark it as nsfw or sumthin

holy

[prime ridge]

1 token per month 😁

if it spills onto swap u can forget about it 😭

[fast pagoda]

i am kinda curious

the sswap is at least on a gen5 ssd

[prime ridge]

the ram might be okay if it's 6400 mt/s or sum

[fast pagoda]

it is

[prime ridge]

most ddr5 isnt 6400 mts tho

[hollow matrix]

Am I the only one who thinks that the new logo is the laziest shit ever and something that should not be the product of a multi-billion-dollar company? It's literally just the copilot icon with "m365" in the corner